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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal. Hell that for me. I'm

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day at the steak?

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Speaker 1: Is that woof? Woof? And them and Tie Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: Ty Hildebrandt, joining me as always over there and beautiful

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Speaker 1: Chicago ill in noise. Dan Ruvenstein, Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm tired, and I'm wondering if this is

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Speaker 2: just a permanent Illinois thing from you, if you just

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Speaker 2: have made that conscious decision that that's your new intro,

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. You know you're the one that

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Speaker 2: just is that is that permanent?

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Speaker 1: Is that what word? It's not permanent? No, I've actually

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Speaker 1: gotten feedback from people saying, you know that you actually

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Speaker 1: don't pronounce the s at the end of the state name.

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Speaker 1: I am aware, Thank you, Hello, welcome back, I'm Tie.

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Speaker 1: He's Dan. This is a solid verbal. You may have

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Speaker 1: listened to our last episode where we were taking turns pitching. Dan.

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Speaker 1: You were pitching on behalf of Alabama. Ty was pitching

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Speaker 1: on behalf of Georgia. Personally, I feel like I won.

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Speaker 1: I am encouraged by the fact that the feedback we

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Speaker 1: received to our hard sell mini series was not overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: in your favor, because it feels like whenever we do

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Speaker 1: one of those debate shows, it's always overwhelmingly in your favor.

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Speaker 1: It's usually because I'm not prepared. This time, I came prepared,

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Speaker 2: I thought you did a pretty good job. Georgia isn't

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Speaker 2: also an easy school to sell. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 2: So it's not as if you were going up against

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Speaker 2: you did well. I'm if somebody says you won, we won, great.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget to follow along across all of our social

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Speaker 2: you want to be very analog, send us a postcard suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Then send it quickly. You can find out all of

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Speaker 2: the deats through any of those platforms. We had initially

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Speaker 2: planned on doing a hard sell segment again today where

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Speaker 2: we're going to do Ohio State against Michigan. I was

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Speaker 2: going to take the Buckeys, you were going to take

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Speaker 1: But then Dan, then then we had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of breaking news. Yeah we did. Of it's pre breaking news. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Minority Report. But we have I think before us a

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Speaker 1: expansion to twelve teams, Dan, an expansion to twelve teams.

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Speaker 1: So here is what this means. The recommendation is to

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Speaker 1: Again. The four person panel that put this together I

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Speaker 2: It could be defined or could be looked at as

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Speaker 1: It in and depending on how you view this, taking

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Speaker 2: Carolina State made it this year. I suppose it's good

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Speaker 2: for very specific fans of those schools. I don't know

435
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 2: that it strengthens the sport. I just don't understand the

436
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: logic there. I don't understand the logic.

437
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see how giving teams that

438
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: normally aren't part of a postseason and opportunity is going

439
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: to make the sporting I'm sure. I think what it

440
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: is is saying is sure the Alabama run of dominance

441
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: will come to a close on a certain level when

442
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: Nick Saban retires, But there are still a select few

443
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: teams that have invested in the sport and that have

444
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 1: the wherewithal to repeatedly win huge games in January. And

445
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,479
Speaker 1: it's just it's never going to be cal It's never

446
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,919
Speaker 1: going to be San Diego State, it's never gonna be Nevada,

447
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: it's never going to be Texas Tech. And so so

448
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: we are looking at parody as this inevitability when I

449
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: just still think it's only going to be the same

450
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: six or seven teams that have the wherewithal and we're

451
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: just we're dressing it up and saying access is good

452
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: Boston College or Kentucky, like hanging a banner that they

453
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: participated is a game changer. Now, A lingering question I

454
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: have is what it does for recruiting, because I don't

455
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: necessarily believe that making the playoff will demonstrably make a

456
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: place more attractive. But maybe you disagree. Well, I do

457
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: feel a lingering question. It is a lingering question. I

458
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that either. I do feel

459
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: that you can recruit on this, and I think of

460
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: a program like a Boise State. Boise State was able

461
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: to build momentum very gradually over the course of time

462
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: to get to where it is today, seemingly one of,

463
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Speaker 1: if not the best group of five teams, no argument there.

464
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Speaker 1: But they did it gradually over time by repeated success

465
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Speaker 1: and repeat it visibility. We all remember the Big Fiesta

466
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: Bowl Game, the trick plays and things like that. They've

467
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: been solely built don't, foods don't. But Boise as a

468
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: program has learned how to get bigger because of moments

469
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: like that, and they have very gradually done that over time.

470
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Speaker 1: Sure recruits nowadays don't give a damn about Jared Zabranski,

471
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: who is I think selling insurance somewhere at this point

472
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: in time could help. He's making a healthy living. Yeah,

473
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Speaker 1: But the point is that this is something that has

474
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Speaker 1: taken them a long time to build up. And I

475
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Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that another program like a

476
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Speaker 1: COW or a Texas Tech or whoever else you cited

477
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: couldn't try to build some momentum off of this. I

478
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: don't think that's a bad thing to give them that opportunity,

479
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: even if maybe us, the old skeptics, might think otherwise, No,

480
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: it's impossible. Well, let's gime a shot. Let's see what

481
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Speaker 1: can I just College football is the ultimate example of

482
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: a sport where it's much easier to go from bad

483
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: to good than good to great. It is just because

484
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Speaker 1: of great you're up against. It is good to great

485
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: is in difficult, and I think that's sure is so

486
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: impossible for the majority of the sport. So here, Okay,

487
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: I think we're relatively aligned, even though I think I

488
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: have a little bit more skepticism, fair to say about

489
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: the enterprise, but it's so different and so new and

490
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: so much you know, there's so many differences to what

491
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: we're used to. I'm willing to see how it goes.

492
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: I'm willing to see how it goes and see, you know,

493
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: look inward as I anticipate games and see how I

494
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: feel as it's happening. And oh wow, you know, Memphis

495
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: just upset Clemson. That's incredible. Okay, that's that's cool. Did

496
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: people watch it? Did people care? Are people talking about it? Also? Cool?

497
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Here are my winners, ESPN and or a network.

498
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 2: You know, if ESPN and Fox or ESPN and CBS

499
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 2: share like you know, obviously the NBA, in the NFL

500
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: do and Major League Baseball, there's going to be at

501
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 2: least early interest in this in the same way that

502
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: ratings were huge for I think the first one was

503
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 2: Oregon Ohio State, right, the first national championship via the

504
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: playoff system. So I think they're a big winner. They're

505
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: gonna be able to sell ads, They're going to be

506
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: able to take three weeks worth or whatever, however much

507
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: time it is to promote the hell out of this

508
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: in an otherwise lull time for them in the sports world,

509
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: since their NFL options are pretty limited during the playoffs.

510
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: So I think that's a big winner there. This is

511
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: a huge deal for the networks. I also think, at

512
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 2: least temporarily, the ball system. I'm not necessarily rooting for

513
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: the ball system, but for now, the way that they

514
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: have concocted this thing, and it could change, I hope

515
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: it does change. For now, the fact that there are

516
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: three rounds essentially being played at neutral sites, the quarters,

517
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: the semis, and then the final. That's a win for

518
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: the ball system clearly. What they try to do with

519
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: this system here, well, the top of the bull syst

520
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: the top of the ball It's not overall, but yeah,

521
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: six seven bowl games, whatever comes to Yeah, clearly they win.

522
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: I think the group putting this together realized that it

523
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: had a lot of mouths to feed, the ball system

524
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: being one of them. Hopefully they're overruled and they could

525
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: play more games on campus, which I think would really

526
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: make this thing much more of an event. But at

527
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: least for now, the bull system trying to find a

528
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: way to retrofit this into that it's it's a temporary

529
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: w for them, provided it doesn't change. Yeah, I mean,

530
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: it's just you're right. It's just funny that we're like, hey,

531
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: this is the first round of the twelve team playoff.

532
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: But wink wink, Catherine Hahn, it's it's the festivals. I know,

533
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: it's what are you talking about? It's very strange. I

534
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: will say this to Another winner is conferences. I guess quarterfinals,

535
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: not first round, but yes, quarter files, right, yeah, another

536
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: big winner is conferences. So on a couple different levels, right.

537
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Speaker 1: First off, there is no minimum or maximum number of

538
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: participants per conference. Right, So if you're the SEC, if

539
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: you're the Big Ten, if you're the Pack, whoever, the

540
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: Mountain West, doesn't matter. There is no upper limit to

541
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: the number of teams that you can place in this tournament.

542
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: That's a big deal. It's a big deal. Many of

543
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: the systems that I've heard.

544
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Speaker 2: Before, I think there are probably six teams. Okay, teams

545
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: is the limit?

546
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, because there have to be five other

547
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: conferences fair enough, But yeah, for all intents and purposes,

548
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: there's not really a cap on the number of teams

549
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: that you can place into this thing. Secondly, we do

550
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Speaker 1: know that conferences, just from past discussion, are very defensive

551
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: of these conference championship games, and there was a lot

552
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Speaker 1: of consternation about how the conference championship games would factor

553
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: into any new system. We've had a lot of consternation, frankly,

554
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: over it for the last seven years. How does a

555
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: conference championship fit into the four team model? How should

556
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: it fit to a four team model. There's a whole

557
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: spectrum of varying opinions on what a conference champion means

558
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: with this system they're painting a very clear picture. They're

559
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:02,239
Speaker 1: saying conference champions get a leg up on participation in

560
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: this tournament. The top six ranked conference champions will be

561
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: automatic qualifiers. Right, it'll be.

562
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: Automatic Power five and G five. It's any six, which

563
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: I think depending on how you feel about Coastal Carolina

564
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: and twenty twenty because they didn't play.

565
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: In a conference championship game. I don't believe it got canceled.

566
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: I think that would have left the PAC twelve out

567
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty because of Cincinnati, and.

568
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: I think San Jose State was Actually I had twenty

569
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: twenty a game. We saw the numbers for twenty twenty.

570
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: Don't wants to talk about twenty twenty more scress move,

571
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: We'll just move on to twenty twenty one and beyond. Yeah,

572
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: I know.

573
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: Also, I believe it's seven teams would be the max, right,

574
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: five others, so it's one plus five.

575
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: Plus six, so six plus one is seven.

576
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I think there is that element. Now

577
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: there is a juggling act that's going to or at

578
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: least a juggling conversation of what the two teams that

579
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: make the championship If there are conference championship games and

580
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: we stay at twelve regular season games, and if those

581
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: two are one of the teams comes out of that

582
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: bottom eight, they're playing seventeen games.

583
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: Is that potentially number.

584
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 2: Potentially potentially if a team does not get to buy

585
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: in the first round, if they're five through twelve and

586
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: they end up in the championship game, they're playing seven.

587
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: A lot of games. Game. That's a lot of games.

588
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 2: And I will get to that when we talk about

589
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: our losers, right, No, I know, I just yes, that

590
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: is an element of things. I have bottom lines of

591
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: teams who make it in and win multiple games. They're

592
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: a big winner. Yeah right, yep, I mean making it

593
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: and then also potentially hosting a game and getting the

594
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: revenue from that and the TV exposure everything like it

595
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: all works. Fans of Tier two programs, yep, I have

596
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: that too, eight or nine win programs or even seven

597
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: or eight win program.

598
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: Nine or ten, nine, ten to eleven. Yeah, you know

599
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: teams that teams that fall into that tweener category of

600
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: maybe taking a jump up or maybe taking a step back.

601
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: Many more teams like that are now going to have

602
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: a shot the second half of the season to play

603
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: for something more. Would also say those coaches in terms

604
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: of job security, that they're suddenly going to be playing

605
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: in the premiere postseason tournament rather than the Citrus Bowl.

606
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: So Paul Christ, Kirk Farns, Clay Dan Mullen, Clay Helton

607
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: can coach forever. Clay Helton can coach forever. No, I

608
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: mean guys like that Gary Patterson, guys who have been

609
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: on the precipice of the of the four team playoff

610
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: but are seen as not playoff caliber coaches because they

611
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: are they've they've maxed out at somewhere between five and

612
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: fourteen or something like that. Suddenly those guys might be

613
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: a little more secure if they're making the playoff once

614
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: every three two or three years whatever. But also then

615
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: that a loser would be Tier three teams and coaches,

616
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: because nobody really expects Iowa to go to the playoff,

617
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: if ever, if at all often. And now suddenly, oh,

618
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: Kirk Farans is going eight and four every year, and

619
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: all of these you know, Northwesterns making the playoff, and

620
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Wisconsin's making the playoff, and Penn State's making the playoff,

621
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: but Kirk Farence can't get into the playoff. Suddenly there's

622
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: there are no pressure on Kirk ference up until now

623
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: for on field reasons, and suddenly he can't get to

624
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: the playoff. All of a sudden, those eight and four

625
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: coaches somedthing eight and fours.

626
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: It's not that good. It's not that good. So that

627
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: suddenly that's a loser of this thing. Eight and four

628
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: is an interesting proposition. I do think a big winner.

629
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: We haven't said it explicitly, but group of five teams,

630
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: group of five teams being included in this the way

631
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: that this is written, it guarantees that there will be

632
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: at least one group of five team every year in

633
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: the postseason. And look, we can have the conversation about, ah,

634
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: that team's Cincinnati's never going to beat Alabama, and I

635
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: think we can come to a pretty quick consensus on

636
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: things like that.

637
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: But being included is a big deal. It's a really

638
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: big deal. For a long time, the group of five

639
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: has fought to at least least be considered, and they

640
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: tried to make it look as if they were even

641
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: a possibility in this four team model, even though we

642
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: all knew that they weren't. It was going to take

643
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: a weird COVID type here, frankly, where everything just goes

644
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: sideways in order for a team like the Cincinnati to

645
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: be considered. Now, at least they are included. If we

646
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: are going to continue on in this model where FBS

647
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: is this all inclusive system whereby everybody has a chance

648
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: to win a national championship, if we want to continue

649
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: with that illusion and the Power five is not going

650
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: to break apart, then we need to find some way

651
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: to bring everyone together. And at least in this model.

652
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: Granted it's not perfect, but at least in this model

653
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: you will have participation from seemingly the best Group of

654
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: five team, and I think that's a huge win.

655
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: A couple subheadings don't get blown out of the water.

656
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: Group of five team or teams who make the twelve

657
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: team plays off immediately because it's not a referendum on

658
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: the Group of five's ability to compete in January against

659
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: the best of the Power five, or at least it

660
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't be a referendum, but I think.

661
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: It will end up being.

662
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if it changes anything, but it will

663
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 2: cast doubt upon the difference between Power five and Group

664
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: of five football.

665
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Fair or not. Also, we eliminate the oh good team

666
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: that ends up playing a G five team in the

667
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: whatever Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl loss, but they didn't want

668
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: to be there because they didn't make the playoff. And

669
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: so now whether it's you know, Boise State, Oklahoma, Utah, Alabama,

670
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: you know it's a Mound West Utah team at that time,

671
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: of course you c f Auburn, you lose that, which

672
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: is great, which is terrific because there is there's no

673
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: excuse now if one of those hugely successful G five

674
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: programs beats a powerful Power five program in the playoff,

675
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: because everybody wants to be there. There's no denying that.

676
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: So that's a winner that lose that narrative. I think

677
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: a really big loser here, and you alluded to it

678
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: when you mentioned the seventeen game possibility. The big loser

679
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: here is the idea, the notion, the myth of the

680
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: student athlete, at least as it relates to college football, well,

681
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: just players in general. Players in general. We're talking ultimately

682
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: about an unpaid workforce not necessarily having medical coverage after

683
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: they play. Right, seventeen games is a lot. Seventeen games

684
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: is a lot for the NFL. Seventeen games at the

685
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: college level is very interesting. Do they do things like

686
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: expand rosters gets who expanded rosters favor. It's the teams

687
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: that are amassing the best players already that are loading

688
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: up on the best players. They're just going to load

689
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: up on more of those and create a difference between

690
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: the haves and have nots. No, you're absolutely right.

691
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: And what's the difference between NFL players and MLB players

692
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: and NBA players who are faced with postseason changes. We

693
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: saw playing tournament with the NBA. We've seen wild card

694
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: stuff added to baseball, and you know games are now

695
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 2: increasing one in the NFL, Right, they're going to seventeen

696
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: or eight seventeen games, Yeah, they're going. It's collectively bargained.

697
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: The players have us say via a union and collective

698
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: bargaining like okay, well we want this, we want that,

699
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: we'll go to this. We'll concede that that doesn't exist.

700
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: That doesn't exist. College football is a major sport and

701
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: the players don't have a voice like the players do

702
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 2: in other major sports.

703
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: It's a problem. Perhaps with some of the NIL legislation

704
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: that's going to start going into effect, they will have

705
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: more leverage, but it is something worth mentioning. We're fans

706
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: of college, fans of college football. But it's a huge

707
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: lingering question about how players feel about this, how they

708
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: could further use their leverage. In twenty twenty, we talked

709
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: about it on our mini series, Right, they found their

710
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: voice to some extent and we're able to move the needle.

711
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: What would they do in a situation like this. My

712
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: guess is everybody'd be very excited about it, But there

713
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: are real questions about how does this affect player safety,

714
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: how does this affect you know, any now, the student athlete,

715
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: the student experience of college in general. I mean there's

716
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: a lot more travel involved with this, so more travel. Obviously,

717
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: there's an academic element to it for some, for some

718
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: that are putting in the academic effort whatever extent, and

719
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: I think in the mainstream too. I think it's I

720
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: don't know if.

721
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: It's the reason, but it's a reason why college football

722
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: waxes and wanes and ebbs and flows in popularity. I'm

723
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: not talking about you know diehards at you know Texas

724
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: or you know somebody who is a diehard college football

725
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: fan of Maryland wherever it's.

726
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: Stop. I don't watch as much college football. I don't.

727
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: I just it's weird that the players don't get paid

728
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: and everybody else does. That is a reason that the

729
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: popularity of the sport has gone down some, that there

730
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 2: is that feeling of Okay, it's such a huge major

731
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: sport and the players are only compensated with scholarships.

732
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: That is a reason.

733
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's a complicated issue when you factor in

734
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 2: title nine and nil, whatever, but it's a reason. And

735
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: to increase the games with players having the same amount

736
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: of say, which is very limited to none.

737
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: It's difficult. It's a lingering question.

738
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: Maybe does this get us closer to players unionizing or

739
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: figuring out some way to collectively voice their concerns.

740
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: Maybe, I think that's an interesting question. I think another

741
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: interesting question is we saw in twenty twenty. We've obviously

742
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: seen it pick up a little bit of traction over

743
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, But players opting out like sure,

744
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it's a great move to opt

745
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 1: out of a huge postseason event like this, But if

746
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: you are a player that draws a really bad matchup

747
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: in round one, if you're the twelfth seed, right if

748
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: you got to go on the road, if you are,

749
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's an issue. First round draft pick.

750
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Do you consider maybe I'm playing four more games here,

751
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: what does that do for my preer?

752
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: I think we're going to eventually see people opt out

753
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: of the playoff just because it's going to be it's

754
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: a number of games, and if somebody is seriously injured

755
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: and weighing their future and they're.

756
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: Looked at as a first round right tackle or something.

757
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I think it all depends on health, not

758
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 2: necessarily match up or travels.

759
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a.

760
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: Little far fetched for me, because I think these guys

761
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: want to play and want to win with their teammates.

762
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: But will players be playing in the Gasparilla Bowl if

763
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: they're a third round pick? Fourth are they going to

764
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: opt out if they're a third or fourth round pick

765
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: for the San Diego Credit County Union whatever? Are they

766
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: gonna be like the Minukey car Carible. I don't know

767
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 2: if any of these bowls still exist. That's the thing too,

768
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 2: is I think the opt outs go down a tier

769
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: boat both in NFL Draft stock player and in bowl.

770
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: I think you're just going to have all sorts of

771
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: people saying, like, we're not in the playoff, why am

772
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: I going to play? Playing in the guests for a

773
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: bowl game in Detroit. I'll due respect to Detroit, a

774
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: good place that I've been to, but I get it.

775
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: I totally get it. I like, okay, what there's like,

776
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna be crushed. Why if you're a Northwestern fan

777
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: or why if you're an Iowa fan or whatever and

778
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 2: your team makes the Outback Bowl and normally you're like,

779
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it's Florida and it's warm and

780
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: it's winter, I'm gonna go. Whatever, howlet's go, let's go

781
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,959
Speaker 2: watch the Hawks. Now, you're going to be more disappointed,

782
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: likely if you just missed out on the playoff and

783
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: you're ending up in one of those games and you're

784
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: playing an even worse team than normally. You're playing a

785
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: six and six sec team, you're playing South Carolina. I

786
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: guess if you're a die hard and you always go

787
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: to all the bowl games, you'll go. But I think

788
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: those that are on the fence aren't going to go.

789
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: There will be a little bit of a morale hit. Yeah,

790
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 2: that takes place for your team, does not make the

791
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: Let me shift gears a little bit and talk about

792
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: another I mean with another winner or loser, another loser

793
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 2: in the system.

794
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: Is Notre Dame. Yeah, I have that, and it's very

795
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: interesting on many different levels. Even if Notre Dame is

796
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: the number one team in the country, in this proposal,

797
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: it can't receive a BUYE or be seated higher than fourth,

798
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: higher than fifth, higher than fifth, excuse me. And that

799
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: is because the selection committee's top twenty five is different

800
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: from the seating because the top four seeds go to

801
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: the highest ranked conference champions. So Notre Dame not in

802
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: a conference. They can go undefeated, they could be the

803
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 1: top team in every ranking system in the world, doesn't matter.

804
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: They can't be seated first, which means that they don't

805
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: get up by This is one of the ways that

806
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: this proposed system would also reward some of the better

807
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: conference champions. It would inevitably give the top four conference

808
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: champions a first round by, which is rewarding. It would

809
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: be a bigger reward if they got to play those

810
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: games on campus.

811
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: You mean you mean it'll be a bigger reward. You

812
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: both get a BUYE and then in their quarterfinal matchup

813
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: play on campus.

814
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can save that one for a few minutes

815
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: from now. But Notre Dame is in this really weird

816
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 1: spot where they had a seat at the table when

817
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: it came to actually drawing this thing up, and at

818
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: the same time they are still seemingly at a little

819
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: bit of a disadvantage. They asked Jack Swarbrick about this,

820
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: he said, quote, I look forward to never hearing again

821
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: about how we played one lass game, or don't have

822
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: a conference championship. Now, look, that's a concession he's willing

823
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: to make. Okay, Jack Swarbrick's got a dry sense of humor,

824
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: That is, no doubt, an argument that has been levied

825
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: against Notre Dame since the beginning of time. I get

826
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: that Notre Dame values its independence. The time has come

827
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: to find out just how much do they really want

828
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: to put themselves in a situation where where, by not

829
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: joining a conference, they leave a first round by potentially

830
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: on the table. Right, there are such things as being

831
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: principled in your belief of independence, understanding that independence is

832
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: a fiber of your being, It is woven all throughout

833
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: your long story tradition. I get that there does come

834
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: a point in time where it is just foolish, and

835
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: if the system goes through, it's foolish. If the system

836
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: goes through, it would be foolish to remain independent. They

837
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: would behoove them to join a conference or knows, they

838
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: would have no shortage of suitors. Everybody would want Notre

839
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: Dame in the conference, the ACC, the Big Ten, the

840
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: Big twell, everybody, you name it, they would all want

841
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. They would have to eventually join a conference.

842
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: Maybe not right away, but as I said to you,

843
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: three to five years from now, there would be such

844
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: outcry that clearly they're good enough from a talent perspective

845
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: to make the playoff on a recurring basis and to

846
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: leave the potential on the table of having a first

847
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 1: round by if things go the way I hope, maybe

848
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: having a first round by and a first round game

849
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: or second round game, what have you a Notre Dame stadium.

850
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: They'd have to join a conference. They would have no choice.

851
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: You do, forget one thing. Who's got it better than

852
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:33,919
Speaker 1: Notre Dame in terms of playoff payout nobody, because they're

853
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: not splitting their cash with anybody. So is that amount

854
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: of cash that they're saving by not splitting the playoff

855
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: money that Notre Dame earns with the rest of a conference,

856
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: is it worth sacrificing a bye week might be Yeah,

857
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: it's dollars and cents. TI, it's the all time cynical perspective.

858
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: And you're not wrong. I get what you're saying. Because

859
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame even split anything with the ACC this past year.

860
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: I don't think they did, even though they were a

861
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: full ACC team. I think that might have been part

862
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: of the deal, could be mistaken. I just don't think

863
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: Notre Dames split their cash. This is one of those things,

864
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, whenever people vote against their own self interests,

865
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: you have to wonder is what is the motivating factor here?

866
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: And a lot of times, if you look closely, you

867
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: can find it. There are plenty of times where you can't.

868
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: This would be one where it doesn't make a whole

869
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. Okay, just doesn't if you

870
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: really are interested in winning a national championship, and if

871
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: you are willing to put yourself at a disadvantage, albeit

872
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: maybe minute one, I don't know, right, if you're willing

873
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: to do that, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

874
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: At some point you're just being obstinate. And I wonder

875
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: if this would be the final breaking point. If this

876
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: breaks scenario though, right, like, how many times would Notre

877
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: Dame truly be a top well a top four school,

878
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: but really the number one overall dramatic school. I guess

879
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: it happened a lot, and you're right. But you sell

880
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: that to the fan base. You sell that to any

881
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: fan base. You sell that to any fan base that hey,

882
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: we could win, but hard candy, you can sell anything. Yeah,

883
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: all right, do you want to You want me to

884
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: go through some winners? You want me to go through

885
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: some losers. Do you want to head rifle through?

886
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Okay, I have SEC teams slash, fans slash

887
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: you know, SEC fans slash the conference. Bottom line, the

888
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: SEC is going to get a ton of teams in.

889
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just a reality that we're living with.

890
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: It's very good for the SEC. I think the TV

891
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 2: product of the playing round, because it's on campus, I

892
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: think it's a big winner. That's the TV product of

893
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: having the energy of a sea of red or a

894
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: sea of green in a college stadium with college tailgating,

895
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: even if it's frozen in the Midwest or if it's

896
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: whatever on the West Coast. I think that's a big,

897
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: big win. And especially if a team like Oregon or

898
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: USC or Washington is hosting a team that they just

899
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: have they're bringing in LSU or something that's an incredible,

900
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 2: incredible visual. I don't know if it's great in terms

901
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: of narrative and storyline, but the visual of those games

902
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: in a stadium hosting a game that normally doesn't I

903
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: think it's great.

904
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: A lot of these college towns got destroyed by COVID.

905
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: I was being cynical about that too. Continue a lot

906
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: got destroyed by COVID, but potentially, and I understand it's

907
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: only a select few. Having an extra week of people

908
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: on campus, of tailgating, of hotel reservations, restaurant reservations, bar

909
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: like that extra week would be very meaningful. It's a

910
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: lot of college towns.

911
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: The cynical element of me was like, twenty twenty, everybody

912
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: loses millions upon millions, dozens of millions whatever of dollars

913
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 2: based on you know, travel economy stuff in those towns,

914
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 2: but also fans and seats and donations, and like, everybody's

915
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: hit super hard economically, and then months later, how could

916
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: we make more money? Yeah, yeah, that's the cynical part

917
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: of me. I'm sure there's an element of it, but

918
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the whole thing some other

919
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: winners I have Excuse me because I did have that

920
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: the auxiliary businesses and the playing round teams with freak

921
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: circumstantial losses, whether it's a quarterback lightly spraining his ankle

922
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: and missing the second half and thus the team losing.

923
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: We saw it with what Trevor Lawrence getting COVID, not

924
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: that it's a freak thing in the same way. But

925
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: Clemson certainly didn't look the same against what Boston College,

926
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: and they could have dropped that. They ended up winning,

927
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: but they did lose to Notre Dame with a backup

928
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: quarterback and they still made the playoff. But that's not

929
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 2: always going to be the case for a team that

930
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: has two losses already and loses a third but still

931
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: manages to get in. So, you know, a team losing

932
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: in a monsoon game, a Soliverble favorite, suddenly it's not

933
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: as important that I don't remember which quarterback went like

934
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: two of eleven for Notre Dame against NC State, but

935
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: suddenly you can for yeah, this is a pun intended

936
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: you can weather that storm.

937
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good. I think that was good. One

938
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: of the I guess big lingering questions for me. But

939
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: is that a good thing, by the way, Oh oh yeah, no,

940
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: it don't to me. Yeah. I want to know when

941
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: is this going to be implemented? Is I think a

942
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: very important question. So what they've said is, what Bill

943
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: Hancock has said, is that it's not going to happen

944
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: this coming season. Obviously they can't do it this season.

945
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: It's not going to happen in twenty two. The earliest

946
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: they could do it is twenty three. Per my understanding,

947
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 1: and I could be wrong about this. The existing twelve

948
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: year contract runs through the twenty five to twenty sixth season,

949
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: which means that if they were to change the playoff

950
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: at all before then, they would be tied down to

951
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: the Bowl system to incorporate the Bowl system in whatever

952
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: they do. For as much as I would love this

953
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: to start sooner, I would hate for it to start

954
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: and incorporate more of the Bowl system. What I'm getting

955
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: at here is I would really really love if not

956
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: only that set of first round playing games as you

957
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: termed it, but also the one through four seeds their

958
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: first round games, all of those would be played on campus.

959
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: I would love for those all to be played on campus.

960
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if they could do it based on

961
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: the way that the current contract is worth it, So

962
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: I need to find out more about that. I hope

963
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: that the people voting on this will come to their

964
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: senses and realize that it is just an incredible natural

965
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 1: resource that college football has that game day atmosphere on campus.

966
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: They should if they're really trying to build a system

967
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: that is sustainable and exciting and interesting to all, they

968
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: need to try and steer more into that than they

969
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: have currently. So I'm hopeful that they can find a

970
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: way to do it, but I do have a question

971
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: around when are they going to implement and can they

972
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: would they be willing to implement in a way that

973
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: provides us more on campus games? That would really be

974
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: the secret sauce that makes this thing super special.

975
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: I mean, also every other sport place at home stadiums

976
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: until the end, right until the end for the NFL,

977
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 2: and then what I don't I'm not familiar enough with

978
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: how Champions League operates, but I know they play in

979
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: random places, right, They don't necessarily play in all home

980
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: stadiums the entire time.

981
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: Not all home stadiums, no, right, No, I mean I

982
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: have a bunch of winners and losers here.

983
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean obviously the New York six, New York six,

984
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 2: the New Year six Level Bowl games I mentioned.

985
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I think the winner is going to be

986
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: I think September non conference scheduling, because more teams are

987
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: going to be looking to have a resume edge. But

988
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: I still think there's going to be scheduling gamesmanship. And

989
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious whether conferences stay at nine games or eight

990
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: games like the Big ten and the PAC twelve, whether

991
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: that gets affected, whether the total number of games is

992
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: affected by the possibility of teams playing as many as

993
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: they could play. You know, if we go back to

994
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: an eleven game season, doubtful that it retracts. But I'm

995
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: curious I think the winner. Another winner would be the

996
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 1: selection committee. I don't think the public at large cares

997
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: that much about twelve versus thirteen as much as they

998
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: care about four versus five or six. That's that's been

999
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: my point all along. Yeah, that's for my point all along.

1000
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: Four expansion. And Look, we could argue about whether or

1001
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: not this is the best system to determine a champion,

1002
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: whether we should determine a champion at all. We've had

1003
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: all of those debates here. But I think you're right,

1004
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: the public will care less about that decision, right versus

1005
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: the four versus five one that we're used to say,

1006
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: how could you leave out Washington State?

1007
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's going to be a big thing.

1008
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 2: Gambling and pools, brackets. I think it's a big winner,

1009
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: good call. I think it's a huge winner that, like

1010
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: there are confidence pools now that probably didn't exist. There

1011
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: are interesting, you know, twelve team brackets and like you

1012
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 2: can start wagering. We could start doing it right now

1013
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: if we wanted to, and see, like we could play

1014
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: a game where it's just like, okay, pick your twelve teams.

1015
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: You get one point if you get a team right,

1016
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 2: you get two points if you get them in the

1017
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: right position one through twelve. There's stuff like that that's

1018
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 2: suddenly like you're opening those floodgates. I think in a

1019
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 2: positive way. It just increases the fun and so much

1020
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,959
Speaker 2: of the popularity of the NFL. I mean, obviously tied

1021
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 2: into whatever favorite your favorite team is, but gambling, fantasy whatever,

1022
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: I think that's an element to it. I don't think

1023
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 2: college football is going to go fantasy in that way,

1024
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 2: but I think that's an element some losers. I think

1025
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 2: a cohesive postseason. If that's something you like, then you're

1026
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: out because it's not going to be a cohesive postseason.

1027
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned the eight and four teams, those like Tier

1028
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: three type teams. I mentioned margin for error, rivalry, emotion.

1029
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 2: I think I don't know if it gets worse, but

1030
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 2: I think it's different. Yeah, well, is Ohio State losing

1031
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: to as an undefeated Ohio State. I know this is

1032
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 2: fictional undefeated Ohio State team losing to Michigan at the

1033
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: end of the year and ending the year eleven and one.

1034
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: It's a softer landing knowing that they're going to be

1035
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: in the playoff. Yeah, exceed, but it's soft lands, softer landing.

1036
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 2: I do feel like there is potential though, for underdogs

1037
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: to knock teams out of the playoff, And maybe not

1038
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 2: in the example that you described, because in that case,

1039
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 2: Ohio State's going to be in one way or the other, right,

1040
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 2: but there are going to be some rivalries across the

1041
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: board where you've got a team that's six and six

1042
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, five and six, and they've got an opportunity

1043
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: to maybe influence the course of the postseason. You know,

1044
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: it's not all about is Ohio State going to be

1045
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: in But it could be about things like, well, Ohio State,

1046
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: if they lose this game, their seating is affected, maybe

1047
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: they don't get a first round by maybe they don't

1048
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: get to play at home. So there are things to

1049
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 2: play for regardless of which side of that rivalry you're on.

1050
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I guess I don't

1051
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: really know how I feel about whether or not it

1052
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: would affect emotion with a rivalry, because college football, by

1053
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: and large is still a sport driven by its rivalries.

1054
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: I agree.

1055
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: I just when you have more eyeballs and more lenses

1056
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: pointing at January, things get left behind a little bit.

1057
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,919
Speaker 1: And that's worrisome to me. And we've had things left

1058
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: behind in this modernization and nationalization of college football with

1059
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: no border war or no Texas Oklahoma or no Texas

1060
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: Texas A and M No. I mean, we lost the

1061
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: backyard brawl. Now it's back whatever, But like we lose

1062
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: those elements as we try to improve and modernize and

1063
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: reposition the sport, and I don't think that's a positive thing.

1064
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't think losing the emotion and tension in the

1065
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: sport because of teams wanting to better position themselves for

1066
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: the postseason or better position themselves for TV money or

1067
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: whatever for their brand. I don't think it's a good

1068
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: thing for the sport. I just don't. I think the

1069
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: national interest I think is increased. I don't know if

1070
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: that means rating on whatever it is. But like, if

1071
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: you weren't going to be watching a late season I

1072
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: think I saw this on Bud Elliott's Twitter feet if

1073
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: you aren't going to be watching a late season Cincinnati

1074
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: Memphis game, but suddenly those teams are. One of those

1075
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Speaker 1: teams is the number seven team in the country, and

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Speaker 1: you are the number sixteen team in the country, and

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Speaker 1: you're paying close attention to those top twelve teams. Suddenly

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Speaker 1: you might be watching those games an otherwise world where

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't. Yeah, I think we win. Oh yeah, we

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Speaker 1: established that right at the top. Yeah. I think. I'll

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Speaker 1: say it again, I think we win. I think it's

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Speaker 1: one of those deals where interest remains higher in college

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: football for longer and ultimately, if you're in the business

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Speaker 1: that we're in, that's a good thing. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to rifle through some more lingering questions and

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Speaker 2: let me know if any jumps than anything jumps out

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Speaker 2: to you. I have the Notre Dame thing. Will they

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00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: join a conference broadcast right situation? Will bowls be fait

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Speaker 2: eased out?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: I think we could be. We could be looking at

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Speaker 2: this like, Okay, we've long had this business relationship, this

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Speaker 2: old boys club of the fiesta and the sugar, Like,

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Speaker 2: is this something that's just gonna go the way of

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00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 2: the Dodo after three or four years where we're just like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're all in on campuses. We we love the excitement

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Speaker 2: and energy and the revenue it generates for these towns.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a question. We'll see what happens. Could

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Speaker 1: could you have a an I T tournament of sorts? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I love a two tournament element to college football.

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Speaker 2: That to me is exciting and interesting.

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Speaker 1: You could you have an n I t yeah of sorts?

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Speaker 1: What would what would stop from creating something like that?

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Speaker 1: I want point of the bowl question? What what what

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Speaker 1: would happen if we decided we're gonna have another tournament?

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Speaker 1: I want a second tournament fully run by Fox, who

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Speaker 1: overpays for everything, puts fifty dollars at the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field in the opening rounds and players get a

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Speaker 1: share like something some crazy tournament too, and it happens

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Speaker 1: in December, and it like it tries to usurp and

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Speaker 1: suck some of the wind out of the twelve team playoff.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for, Ty, I'm here for, you know,

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Speaker 1: some sort of wrestling world situation where you have some

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Speaker 1: sort of new promotion coming in, like the way that

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Speaker 1: China throws money at older NBA and soccer stars. That's

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Speaker 1: what I want.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm here for. Drogba go to China or something.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that a thing? Yeah, that's what I want. I

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Speaker 2: want Fox, I want I don't know. I want Amazon.

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Speaker 2: I want you know, Disney Plus just come on in.

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Speaker 2: I mean Disney wont do it because they have ESPN,

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Speaker 2: but come on in and throw just stupid amounts of

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Speaker 2: cash at an alt tournament.

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Speaker 1: I would love that. Other lingering questions, better to have

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Speaker 1: a buyer home game. I think it's a buye but

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. I don't know if teams will

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Speaker 1: position themselves in interesting ways at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: It's better to have a bye week. I think so too,

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Speaker 1: but it is disappointing to not have a home game

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Speaker 1: if you have a bye week, and I'm hoping I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that they rectify that. It just seems like, if

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Speaker 1: you are really trying to reward a conference champion, and

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Speaker 1: you're already rewarding some teams with a home game, why

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Speaker 1: not give why not give? Why not give them both?

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Speaker 1: Why not give them the bye week and the game

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Speaker 1: on campus? That'll be such a big deal. That'd be awesome.

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Speaker 2: Oh how much time will a twelve team bracket, a

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Speaker 2: twelve team playoff be given to grow and find its feet?

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01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: Because the BCS lasted it was something it was late

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Speaker 2: nineties until twenty thirteen, so fifteen sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the exact number. The fourteen playoff was

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Speaker 1: given seven. So we're seeing shortened and shortened and shortened

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Speaker 1: amounts of time in four years, five years? Is this

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Speaker 1: going to be like, oh, we're going a We're going sixteen? Like,

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen? How long is this given? I

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01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: think twelve twelve teams is going to have much more

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Speaker 1: of a okay, we lifespan, it's four What How do

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Speaker 1: things get looked at in terms of selection committee data points?

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01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: Are there going to be more members now that more

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Speaker 1: games and teams have to be evaluated? Where do the

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Speaker 1: members come from, what do the data points look like?

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Speaker 1: And if something happens at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking back to what it was like two

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Speaker 1: thousand and one where Nebraska got completely obliterated but still

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Speaker 1: made the National Championship game. Different system now, But if

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Speaker 1: what matters in terms of when a team loses how

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Speaker 1: a team loses, you know, is margin for margin of

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Speaker 1: victory going to be more important than it was before?

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Speaker 1: I would hope so, strength of schedule. I would love

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Speaker 1: more clarity on the data points being used to rank

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Speaker 1: these teams. Well, it's going to be very interesting. Again,

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Speaker 1: we should find out more where college football stands on this.

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Speaker 2: For more five weeks. If we're potentially getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of teams more.

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Speaker 1: Games, maybe maybe do you start the season earlier an earlier?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's it's interesting. Could you have

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Speaker 1: teams scheduling games differently? I don't know, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: the games You're gonna have some teams saying it doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter as much if we schedule a top fifteen team

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Speaker 1: in week one or two and you're gonna have some

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Speaker 1: teams who are like that fringe element who you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: You know, acc teams that you know are going nine

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Speaker 1: and three, ten and two, sometimes big ten teams, big

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Speaker 1: twelve teams. Are they going to say, we can't afford

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Speaker 1: to be anything less than nine and three, ten and two, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's that's where you get into that weird gamesmanship

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Speaker 1: thing and hope for the best that somebody doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a much stronger case at that same record because they

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Speaker 1: scheduled up because they lost by three to a good

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Speaker 1: team team and you just didn't schedule that good team

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Speaker 1: and you beat up on ricey or something. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: look again, we will know by the end of this week.

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Speaker 1: So this show drops on Tuesday. By the end of

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Speaker 1: this week, we're going to know more about where college

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Speaker 1: football stands on this. I really hope they're going to

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Speaker 1: change anything. I hope it's that the quarterfinals are played

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Speaker 1: on campus and not play sites. Be amazing. I think

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Speaker 1: that would be a very logical thing to do. I'm

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Speaker 1: not on that committee. From the sounds of it, the

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Speaker 1: proposal as it is, or in some very close facsimile,

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Speaker 1: it has a really good chance of drawing a consensus.

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Speaker 1: So I think where we're at a week from today

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Speaker 1: is a spot where we know a twelve team thing

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Speaker 1: is going to happen. We're really just waiting on the

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Speaker 1: operational details, the where's, the whens, the how's things like that,

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Speaker 1: So I stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how much how this will affect. And it's

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Speaker 2: a limited number of teams, but the number of fan

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Speaker 2: bases are going to expect two three games in the playoff, right,

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Speaker 2: or maybe even four. Maybe some people are that ambit

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Speaker 2: how that affects people's travel plans. Okay, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to go to the away game in Madison, or I'm

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Speaker 2: not going to go to the away game in Charlottesville

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Speaker 2: or something like that, because I'm going to hope that

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Speaker 2: I can stay relatively local and go to Atlanta the

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Speaker 2: following week for the you know, the Peach Bowl matchup.

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Speaker 1: That was what my team is in. That was Dan

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Speaker 1: Wetzel's point. Dan Wetzell's point was fans aren't going to

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Speaker 1: be able to afford all of those games, right, those

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Speaker 1: neutral site games. So you know, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: much of that cost element is alleviated by playing some

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Speaker 1: games on campus. What about the family travel element to

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Speaker 1: it as well. Well, they have to figure something out,

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Speaker 1: but I'm the family. I mean, they get it right now.

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Speaker 1: They get some money, but they get some money that

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Speaker 1: aspect of it. Just the on campus in the I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'd be fine with on campus the whole way through,

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Speaker 1: but they're not going to do that. But that quarterfinal

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Speaker 1: round in particular, they can find a way to play

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Speaker 1: that on campus. I would say this is this is

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Speaker 1: a near perfect system for where we're at right now.

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Speaker 1: They also, oh, but I would really love that. I

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Speaker 1: think that's the one thing that they can do better.

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Speaker 2: With more teams thinking they have a shot at the playoff,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many you think, by you know,

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Speaker 2: early mid November are going to think they still have

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Speaker 2: a shot twenty twenty five, thirty something like that, are

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Speaker 2: going to think, maybe not correctly, but are going to

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Speaker 2: think that they are playoff caliber. And so if you

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Speaker 2: have ten, fourteen, eighteen of those teams not make the playoff,

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Speaker 2: how many of those teams would otherwise not be firing

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Speaker 2: a coach suddenly think they're too good for this coach

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Speaker 2: and they should have been a playoff team. How many

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Speaker 2: of those teams are going to be making irrational firing

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Speaker 2: decisions that are going to cost them. I love a

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Speaker 2: lot of money, which could then affect future years and

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Speaker 2: years of hiring in business practices like the ripples are

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Speaker 2: all over the place.

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Speaker 1: I love it well right in soliverbo at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Let us know your thoughts fall along on social media

1241
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: as well, and don't forget to check out our patreon

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Speaker 1: at verballers dot com. As he said the last couple

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Speaker 1: episodes running, we are in the market for a social

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Speaker 1: media intern. We've gotten a lot of awesome feedback from

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Speaker 1: people who have written in who are interested in helping.

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Speaker 1: Please keep those coming. This is the last time we're

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Speaker 1: going to say anything but submissions at soliverble dot com.

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Speaker 1: Submissions at soliverble dot com. Please do inquire if you're interested,

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Speaker 1: If you've got some ideas that you like to share

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Speaker 1: with us, we are always more than willing to hear

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Speaker 1: out the for ballerhood, Dan.

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Speaker 2: I want to give people homework. Okay, my homework is

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Speaker 2: as follows.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy.

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Speaker 2: What is the dream matchup that we otherwise would not

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Speaker 2: have gotten? Because I am again I'm trying to do

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Speaker 2: everything I can to look at this in as many angles,

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Speaker 2: with as many viewpoints as possible. What is the dream

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Speaker 2: college football matchup that we have not gotten that we

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Speaker 2: could get in a campus stadium because of this playoff? Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it's the Solid Verbowl in Eugene, Oregon. Notre Dame Oregon.

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Speaker 2: In Eugene, we would we would be compelled to go

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Speaker 2: to Oddson together we have we'd have to go to that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just speaking for us go to that. It's

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Speaker 2: actually very easy for me to get to South Bend too,

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Speaker 2: so that would be convenient. But what is your dream matchup,

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Speaker 2: either involving your team or not involving your team? It

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Speaker 2: has to involve teams that could, realistically, in the next

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Speaker 2: couple of years, I mean the first couple of years

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Speaker 2: that this starts twenty twenty three, twenty four, end up

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Speaker 2: playing against each other. I know a lot of people

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Speaker 2: look at like, oh, a Southern team in like a

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Speaker 2: frigid you know, Minneapolis or Madison or ann Arbor Winter

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Speaker 2: or whatever. But just tell me, like, from a pure

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Speaker 2: coolness standpoint, what would the best possible matchup result that

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Speaker 2: would be unique? What would that be?

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Speaker 1: So verbodgmail dot com. We will also make sure that

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Speaker 1: we post that question out on a channels, Twitter, all

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Speaker 1: those places, yeah everywhere. Okay, that's all a fun show. Again,

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Speaker 1: keep your eyes and ears peeled for what comes next.

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Speaker 1: But it does seem as if a twelve team postseason

1282
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: format is on the verge of happening. We will keep

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Speaker 1: you as up to date as we can here on

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Speaker 1: the Solid Verbal in the meantime. For that go over there,

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Speaker 1: my good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrandt here

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Speaker 1: in eastern Pennsylvania. Thank you so much for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 1: for playing long at home. We will talk to you

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Speaker 1: all on Thursday. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,