WEBVTT - Hour 1 - Chris Mannix (05-13-20) 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:03.480 You are listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.520 Sports Radio hour one on this Wednesday. Welcome to the program. 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:10.440 Gangs all here, Ready to go, Dan and The Dan 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:15.040 Nstan Patrick Show. Paulie's about twenty feet away from me, 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.320 Fritze's an hour away, Seaton's an hour away, and mclovin's 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.680 an hour and a half away. But we're giving the 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:25.040 feeling that we're right there in your car or in 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.120 your home. And thank you for letting us be part 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.760 of your life. Age seven seven three d P Show 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.760 Email ADRESDPA, Dan Patrick dot Com, Twitter handed a DP 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:35.360 show you can watch on YouTube dot com slash the 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.920 Dan Patrick Show as thousands of you have been, and 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.120 listen on our Fox Sports Radio lineup three hundred and 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:46.080 sixty two radio affiliates around the country. With the law 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.599 in sports, the media is hitting us up with new 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:51.640 list every day, and you know I love a good list. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.800 These are usually reserved for late July when everybody's on 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.880 vacation and you're just trying to fill up some space. 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:04.080 But with nothing going on on, everybody's ranking players, teams, uniforms, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.440 anything that can be ranked is being ranked. I'm not 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:12.480 a fan of the list because they're so subjective. Actually, 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.360 they drive me crazy. No list has ever changed anybody's 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.920 mind on anything. It just hasn't. You too often end 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:24.320 up denigrating a great player's career unnecessarily because you'll say, well, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:28.080 such and such shouldn't be ranked that high, or he 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.760 should be in there instead of that guy. ESPN's getting 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.000 a lot of attention. They have their list of the 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.120 seventy four greatest players in NBA history, this being the 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:40.680 seventy fourth year the NBA. I'm not sure how they 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.520 ranked the players. I don't know what the criteria was. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.400 How do you rank the Greek freak and Lebron against 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.160 guys who have been retired for decades, the different eras, 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:56.640 the different rules, the different styles. There's nothing going on now, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.760 I realize that. So I begrudgingly open the show with 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.600 this list, and I am fortunate. I've said this before. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.359 Probably you're nauseous from hearing it so often. I got 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.920 to see everybody play. I got to see everybody but 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.960 Bill Russell. Everybody else I was able to see in person. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:23.040 Will Chamberlain saw him in person. Oscar Robertson saw him 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.520 in person. And that's where it's difficult. I don't know. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.720 People will say, well, at Oscar Robertson, the average a 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.959 triple double. That's all people know about Oscar Robertson. If 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.360 he didn't average a triple double, people wouldn't mention him 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.280 in the top ten. Now Oscar had the numbers. Oscar 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.960 was a dominating force. People don't know anything other than 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:49.480 how many people saw Oscar play with the Royals. Not many, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.320 because I went to the games and no one was there. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.840 I was there when they had Bob Kuzi. He goes 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.079 to Milwaukee and he plays with lu Elsendor and you 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:02.600 know lu all Sendoor Kareem was so dominant back then. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.000 They won the NBA title. That's the only title that 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.640 Oscar has. But we look at Oscar and not to 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.400 just single him out. It's just we're not quite sure 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.200 what to make of these guys who played in a 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.840 different time, a different era, different style. Will Chamberlain is 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.880 the most dominating player of all time. Oh but he 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:24.760 didn't win. If Will had six titles, would Will be 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.920 the greatest player of all time? He led the league 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:34.800 and assist, rebound, scoring, field goal percentage. Whatever you said, 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:39.480 you know they should have said, will you can't win championships, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.600 then maybe he would have done it because individually he 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.960 did everything. Oh you're just a scorer. He said, all right, 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.000 I'll be a defensive player. I'm gonna lead the league 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.320 and assists. When the Lakers were so great, when they 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:52.880 won thirty three in a row, he was a defensive 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.560 minded player and a rebounder. That's what he did. He 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.640 wanted to prove I don't I can score fifty. I 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.520 don't have to score fifty. Jerry West, who I dearly love, 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:07.320 Jerry could play in today's game. So when you're trying 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.560 to figure out and I know it's supposed to be 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:13.560 for entertainment purposes, I unfortunately take it personally because I 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:18.640 think when people vote on these, they go, yeah, Dirk Navitsky, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:23.520 Yeah he's better than Bob Pettitt. Okay, I don't even 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.839 know how to argue that. I'll tell you who got 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:30.599 short changed on this list is Isaiah Thomas. Like it's 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.240 open season on Isaiah Thomas. You may not like him. 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:36.560 Not an easy guy to like, And there's a lot 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.640 that goes along with Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah Thomas is one 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.920 of the top twenty players of all time, all right, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.000 he just he is. You may not like it. You 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.919 may say Steve Nash was better, or John Stockton he was. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.880 He wanted Indiana and he went in with the bad 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:57.560 boys and they were a dominating force there. Isaiah Thomas 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.800 is under I think he's like thirty first best player 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:06.680 according to these rankings, thirty seconds something like that. Okay, 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:09.120 you know the top ten's got shock at number ten, 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:15.760 Tim Duncan eight, Larry Birds seven, Will Tis six, Magic 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:21.119 Is five, Kareem three, Lebron two, and Michael is number 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:27.239 one on the list. Right, you start ranking these players 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.440 and it always gets back to that guy's not as 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:34.159 good as that guy. We don't celebrate this. It's rare 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.240 when we do. What you do is you eventually denigrated 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:41.400 player and his career. Tim Duncan was a wonderful player. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.400 If Tim Duncan doesn't have is what five titles? Is 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.640 Tim Duncan in there? The winning is the great elixir here, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.760 that's the great band aid man when you win. You know, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.159 Jerry West won one title. We don't give him credit 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.920 for what nine appearances in the NBA finals. Oh I 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.800 couldn't win the big one. Oh, mister Klutch couldn't win 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.800 the big one. Okay, I mean, I can't argue with it. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.839 He didn't. He couldn't beat the Boston Celtics, all right, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:15.320 you could. No one else did. But you know we 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:20.159 hold that against him. How many championships do you have? 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.240 Because Bill Russell is the greatest team winner. He's not 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.800 the greatest player. Bill Russell wasn't a great player. He 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.160 was a great team player. He was wonderful defensive player, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.640 wonderful rebounder. He was athletic, and he understood the game 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.320 and he did what they needed him to do. Budd 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.359 he won a one to eleven tunnel. But if he 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:44.000 won eleven and he's the greatest player of all time, 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:50.320 isn't he? Michael won six? Yeah, but Michael was He 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.400 did it with Flairy ZERI Joe. You know, Bill Russell 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.400 played with the Hall of Famers in the Celtics state. Okay, wait, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:58.480 I don't know what are the rules here. He won 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:03.120 eleven titles, won an Olympic medal, he won in college, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.479 a national championship in San Francis. I don't know what 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:10.000 makes you the greatest of all time? And who's voting 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:13.520 on this? And did everybody that's where somebody should say, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.360 these are the people, these are the players that I saw. 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:19.800 Let's all just just give me perspective on it. And 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:22.040 I'm not saying I should be involved in these lists, 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.320 but you should have guys like Bob Ryan or Jack McCollum, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.680 or guys who were around the league for a long 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.640 time Peter Vessey. Those are the guys who saw everybody, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.280 and maybe you can make this. You have to make 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:38.000 a generational to be fair to the player, because if 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.320 I look at Wilton, Bill Russell, and I could put 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.320 Walt Bellamy or whoever else big men you want to 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.200 put in there, Bob Lanier, and then I'm going to 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.600 move it into the new generation where it was Luel 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:52.800 Sindoor when he came in. We had not seen anything 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.440 like Louell Sindoor when he came in, and to me, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.960 he could play now. He could have played in the fifties. 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.120 I mean, his game would have translated. But I just 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.160 I want to know how many players you got to 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.240 see to be fair And look, I think Bill Walton 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.640 is overrated as an NBA player. He's one of my 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:17.320 favorite people. He got injured. I mean, he he was 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.320 wonderful that one year year and a half with Portland. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.360 I mean it was If Grant Hill doesn't get hurt, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:28.760 Grant Hill might be a top fifteen player. And you're 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:31.880 trying to go Pete Maravich. You know I love Pete Merovitch. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:37.800 Pete wasn't a great NBA player. He was a wonderful 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.840 scorer and he had flair. He didn't win anything. Walton 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.080 won one with the Blazers and then was a sixth 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.560 man with Birds team and won eighty six. Okay, I 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.240 guess Kevin McHale great because he won championships. Has Robert 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:54.680 Parish great because he won championships? Or is somebody not 0:08:54.760 --> 0:09:00.920 great because they didn't win championships? Drives me crazy, but hey, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.040 it's a slow time here, so allowed me to chew 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.600 up ten minutes there. Yes, PAULI, I scrolled through the list, 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:08.360 and when I on the list, if I have to 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.360 stop and think about it, that's kind of when I 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:13.280 know I've reacted to something. Jannis Detta Kumbo is the 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:17.120 twenty seventh ranked NBA player of all time. He's had 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.440 three great seasons, not not eight or nine or ten, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.800 but he is currently top three. Should not be in 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.920 the top fifty. But he's ahead of guys like John 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.040 Stockton who had fifteen All Star seasons, or Alan Irison 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:33.320 or Isaiah Thomas and John Halcheck. There has to be 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:37.560 something for a longevity. Is Stockton ahead of Isaiah Thomas? Yes? 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.880 Is Steve Nash ahead of Isiah? They're thirty and thirty one. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.320 He is just ahead of Isaiah Toms. That's wrong. Steve 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:46.640 Nash had a run though for about seven years where 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.800 he was awesome, spectacular, absolutely love watching. Didn't win anything 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:56.680 Isaiah least one I got Can I do I factor 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.880 in winning with some guys and not winning with other guys. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:05.280 I don't understand that people don't like Isaiah. I get it. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:08.120 It hasn't helped with recency bias, with the you know, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:11.280 the Last Dance and Jordan's reaction to Isaiah Thomas and 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.800 then everybody's coming out of the woodwork and saying they 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.760 didn't like Isaiah Thomas. I get it. I'm not a 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:22.000 fan of Isaiah Thomas's, but the basketball player, I can't 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:28.640 argue that he was great. Steve Nash loved watching him. 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.320 Steve Nash not a better basketball player than Isaiah Thomas. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.720 And this is where it gets back to we den 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:41.439 a great players. Nah. Yes, here's a couple more. Bill 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.240 Russell is considered the fourth best basketball player of all time. 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.160 I knew this was going to happen, Seaton, I just barked. 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.719 I did, and I think I think I growled. I 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.080 don't know. I haven't deal with this all morning. I 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.760 know I've been pacing back and forth before the show. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.360 Do you see this list, Paul, I'm like, I mean 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.800 my old Bill, Okay. Bill Russell is the fourth NBA 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.040 player of all time that's based off winning right, Yes, completely, 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.800 not completely, but heavily. Russell didn't have great numbers. He 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.120 was He was a decent scorer and a great rebounder 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.120 and an unbelievable defensive presence. But do I consider him 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:21.080 the top five? No? I don't. And he won. He 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.640 was a winner. Why is it nobody else on the 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.920 Celtics who won all those titles are included in you know, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:30.760 top ten players of all time? Top fifteen players of 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:35.840 all time? I mean Casey Jones, Sam Jones, Sat Sanders 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.000 have all check are they included in there? And the answers? No, 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.600 Bill Russell was a wonderful player and the ultimate team 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.120 player and the team winner. He's not a top five 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.319 player of all time. Yeah, I have another one that 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.280 think's gonna bother you. And this is a real specific 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.920 in the number two spot all time is Lebron James. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.480 You know he's obviously top ten easily, but number three 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:02.320 is a dual jabbar. Who would you prefer to have 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.440 in their prime? You so would I rather have Lebron 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:08.720 or Kareem in their prime? Is your first pick on 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.199 your team to start your franchise? Because I know your answer, Well, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:15.840 I would take Kareem, Yes, I just I think Kareem 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:21.240 if you saw him, there was no what am I doing? 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.040 They got me? ESPN got me again. They had the 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.960 stupid college basketball Poles was the title of it. It 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.960 was not. I checked it. It It was not the stupid 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:37.520 beat all right? Anybody else on that list that I 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.960 need to be upset abount. I breezed through it because 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.040 I swore I was not going to do it. Because 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.280 PAULI goes a top seventy four list, I go, of 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.199 what ESPN NBA player? I go, no, no, no, I can't. 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.480 Now you should look at it. Why you may not 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.960 like some things? Yes, seton this the unofficial name of 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.720 this list was fifty Lakers and twenty four other guys. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:05.280 There's a few Lakers in there. There are few, Yeah, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.920 I've been surprised that other there are other franchises in 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.240 the NBA. Kevin Durant is ahead of Jerry West. Does that, Bobby, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:16.120 I can look at your face. No, I let me 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:20.520 wait to him. I'm okay with that. I think Durant 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.400 is one of the great players of all time. And 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.920 maybe let's see how he comes back from the injury. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.840 But he could be, you know, a top fifteen player 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.760 of all time. I'm okay with that. And he's made 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.680 himself better. He's not one dimensional. Who else is in there? 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.160 Is Russell Westbrook ahead of Jerry West? Where's Chris Paul 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.920 in there? He is? He's a little higher than I 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.920 think he should have ranked NBA player of all time? Okay, 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:54.440 never won anything once again, I don't know if that 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.080 factors in. Does that mean anything? Because we love to 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.360 lead with that man. He was a winner. Chris Paul 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:06.240 is ahead of Rick Berry. Uh, Chris Paul is not 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.400 a better player than Rick Berry. Rick Berry single handedly 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.640 won an NBA title. Look at the of teams that 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:16.200 have won a title. Look at the Golden State Warriors 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.240 when Rick Berry won that title with him because they 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:24.480 had Clifford Ray and Derek Dickeye. They had a couple 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.520 of good guards. But that wasn't a great team at all. 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.080 Al Addole's the head coach that sent five. Yeah, they 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.320 I think they swept the bullets. Yeah, you're right, Rick Berry, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.040 Butch Beard, Clifford Ray, Jamal Wilkes. Silkwolkes was a good player. 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:44.280 Yeah yeah. McLevin one day got a lot of attention. 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.600 Doctor J was fifteen with people thought it was too high. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.840 I'm not sure. Obviously biased, but is that because the 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.960 early Doctor J with a little better than late Doctor 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:57.520 j J if you're factoring in his ABA career. Absolutely 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.880 like Doctor J was we we had never seen Jordan. 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.000 Some of us had seen Doctor Jay and watching him 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:13.240 in a game against the Kentucky Colonels a BA and 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.400 the Kentucky Colonels were great. That was a danissl led team. 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:23.200 They had a wonderful team, Artist Gilmore, Louis Dampier and 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.080 Doctor J was still He's like there was one guy 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.480 who was playing a different game than everybody else, and 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:33.160 that was Doc He wasn't as polished as today's stars are. 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:36.480 You know, his mid range jumper and all those things, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.840 and but he he was a phenomenon. He was a force, 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:43.640 A tortive force, is what they would say. Yes, setne'cunner, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.640 I was wondering where Zion was on the list checking 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:54.120 could you check where the ball brothers are? Is Lamello 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.400 on there yet? Lonzo is just for his Laker crier 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.240 because he was a Laker. Yeah, I'll just say it. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:02.560 I think Zion at nineteen a little low, a little low. 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.960 It's Trey Young on there. He's not Reggie millerty nine. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.200 Reggie was a great player. Reggie Miller's ahead of James Worthy. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:17.440 That's a chip, big game. James. Oh, I know, m man. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:19.520 I love James Worthy. James Worthy. If you look at 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:22.440 his stats, he he wasn't the focal point. He you know, 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.680 he shared the ball a lot. He was. He was 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.480 consistent boy when he was out on the break, though, 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.480 unstoppable out on the break. He was getting it and 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:36.480 he weren't stopping him. Um yeah, I guess see. I 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.160 don't want to get back to this where I start 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.320 criticizing or saying this guy is better than this guy. 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.800 I could paine me to say Bill Russell is not 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:48.840 a He's not a top ten player. Now if you 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:54.800 say his career and his accomplishments, okay, but if you said, hey, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:57.800 these are the players who are available for an open draft, 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.000 Bill Russell was probably not going to be one of 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.200 the guys you take, and he couldn't. In today's game, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.320 Bill Russell wouldn't be the same Now would he change? 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.359 Would he evolved? Yes, he would. These are the Kareem 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:19.199 wouldn't have to change. Kareem would be still unstoppable. He 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.639 would even add, you know, a little bit more to 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.120 his jumper, you know, stretch it out a little bit. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.919 He'd still be dominating. But you know, would will be 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.600 the same player. He wouldn't, But he would evolve. He 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.000 would be somebody different. He didn't have a good shot, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.080 but he was just seven feet two seventy five and 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:40.600 he dominated people. The game was different back then. Where's 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:45.280 Steph Curry on this list? He's way high top twenty 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.159 checking all right. By the way, this program brought to 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:50.960 you by Legal Zoom. They make it easy to set 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.960 up the right estate plan about leaving your home, take 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.280 care of your Family Today the Right Estate Plan at 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.080 legal zoom dot com. Chris Mannox will join us. Coming up, 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.119 we'll talk about the NBA. I mean they're doing their best, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.120 they're chipping away at trying to come back. So Mannixell 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.439 Joan is coming up in a little bit. Mike Rabel, 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:10.320 the Tennessee Titans head coach, will join us as well. Yes, Paulie, 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.159 if you guys don't know where would you guess that 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.760 Steph Curry is right now on the top seventy four 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:16.919 players of all time just throughout where you think he'd be? 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:23.160 What number? What spot? I'm gonna say thirty one, Okay, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:33.520 I was gonna go in initially thought nineteen. I'll stay 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:37.320 with nineteen. Steph Curry is thirteen. He's ahead of doctor Ja, 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.639 He's aad A, Jerry West, Karl Malone, ahead of Durk Navitsky. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.320 But he won. See that's the key, Scottie Pippen if 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.320 he if he doesn't win, then he's just a you 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:53.760 know that he's fun to watch. Yes, he not only 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:55.560 did he win though, but he's one of those few 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.320 game changers. Yeah, the game was different before he entered 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.960 the league, and it's it's different after you know, well, 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.879 he has changed the game. I mean, how many guys 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:07.919 in the history of the sport changed the game? But 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.520 you can say that about Steph Kurry. History will be 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:13.920 very kind to Steph Curry and they should, yes, McLeman. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.320 And I'm a little worried that you're getting too worked 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:18.119 up over this topic, so I thought, maybe go in 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:22.320 a different direction. Yesterday social media debate greatest American rock 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.280 band nond So you don't get worked up over that. 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.679 Just to calm you down, don't do this to me. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:35.320 I'm very fratial right now. The college basketball ranking was 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.960 I it, hm, are you over the top? We have 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.919 the twelve greatest sportscaster hair rankings. Well, no, I know 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.480 him in that. That's where I forget who asked me that. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.480 It might have been Keith Oberman. He goes, hey, what 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.600 do you think of the ESPN Sports Center anchor rankings? 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.399 I go, I don't know what you're talking about. He 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.960 goes and he was like, put question mark there, like, 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.800 I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't see 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:05.240 the rankings for Sports Center anchors. Is it recently somebody said, oh, 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:09.640 you lost to Scott Van Pelt. I go could good 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.520 for Scott, I don't I don't care. Yeah, the older 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.679 I get, the better I was. I'm fine. You know. 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:19.399 Right now, there's gonna be some guy who's just like 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.280 you know what I was. I was there to see 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.920 both of them. I saw Dan, I saw Scott. Yeah, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.640 I saw over. I saw them all do live television. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.160 You weren't there, yep, And that's what you You need 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.240 to have somebody that is, somebody from the big lead 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.919 who's like, you know, twenty four, who's gonna say, you know, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.520 add Nan Verke guy, he's gonna get my vote there, 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.920 Randolf Case, Scott, Randy Scott is gonna get with Hey, 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.560 you know what I saw him. He turned to Fraser too. 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.960 Game was different after ending. He was a game change, 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.760 the honest of the Sports Center. Yeah, Sports Center was 0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:02.760 a whole lot different back then. Yeah, let's take a break. 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.439 We'll come up with the point. Keep going, No, I 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.280 gotta I'm gonna go I'm gonna hit the stop sign. 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.879 I'm going to abide by it. And there's a stop sign, 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.680 I'm gonna I'm not gonna ease through the stop sign. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.800 Chris Mannox will join us, and then we'll we'll actually 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.359 talk about something that is real, and that is the 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.560 NBA players trying to get back and what is this timeframe? 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.480 And does he think if they do play, will there 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:30.360 be an asterisk attached to whoever wins the championship, especially 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.919 if it's Lebron. Twenty three after the hour, This is 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:36.199 The Dan Patrick Show. Thanks for listening to The Dan 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.960 Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.280 weekday morning nine to noon Eastern or six to nine 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:45.359 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 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Thing they put out, 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.600 But you just said something in the last segment that 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.840 I just felt compelled to talk to. I grew up 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:32.080 in Phoenix. I was fourteen years old when the Suns 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:36.440 were born and an expansion team, and I've lived, as 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:40.240 you well know, a pretty frustrating life as a lifelong 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:45.760 Phoenix Suns fan. And when you said Isaiah should be 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:52.040 ahead of Steve Nash simply because he hasn't won anything, 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.320 I just took exception to that because I think you're 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:57.960 a little too smart for that. Well, no, John, John, 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.639 here's the thing. I don't know what the christ area was. 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:05.040 Is it winning? Is its statistics? Steve Nash was a 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.560 wonderful player, but we seem to value winning on this list. 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:13.080 But then Isaiah did win, But then you have John 0:23:13.119 --> 0:23:15.800 Stockton and Steve Nash ranked ahead of him. That's all. 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.560 I don't know what we're basing this off of. If 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.040 you said I could have Steve Nash and you have 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.080 Isaiah or the other way around, that's fine, John Stockton, Okay, 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.760 I just I think Isaiah is getting punished here because 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.480 this is recency biased of what happened in the Last 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.800 Dance the Jordan documentary. That's all, John but thank you 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.960 for the kind words that you had to say. There, Oh, 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:43.280 this list. I'm looking at the entire list here, greatest 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:46.720 seventy four greatest players of all time by ESPN. What 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.920 if I just said, this is regular season, so winning 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.560 didn't matter, so it's playing ability, just playing ability? Does 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:58.960