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Speaker 2: Welcome to Turkey Talk, a special edition from Clay and

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Speaker 2: Buck Conversation Comebacks for the Holidays.

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Speaker 1: Thanksgivings not very far away. Buck, you and I are

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Speaker 1: excited about this. We're going to be in Florida. We'll

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of family and friends. I am confident

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Speaker 1: that at my Thanksgiving there will be people who voted

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Speaker 1: for Kamala. Believe it or not, family big gathering. They

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Speaker 1: are going to be Kamala voters. That's fine. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: enjoy watching football, drinking beer, and knowing that the good

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Speaker 1: team won. I'm not gonna need to feel necessarily the

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Speaker 1: need to gloat. And I would never even remotely think

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Speaker 1: about the idea of saying, Hey, you aren't allowed to

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Speaker 1: come to my family Thanksgiving because I disagree with your

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Speaker 1: personal politics. I think that's crazy. I would suggest that

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of you agree the same way. I

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Speaker 1: actually give credit to Jade Vance here on election Day,

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Speaker 1: you remember Buck, he said, Look, you may vote differently,

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Speaker 1: but the idea of giving up a lifetime friend over

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Speaker 1: the fact that you might have a different political opinion

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Speaker 1: in This election, to me is crazy, and I would

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Speaker 1: stand by that. I just had a twenty year law

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Speaker 1: school anniversary. A lot of people voted the opposite way

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Speaker 1: of me. At that law school anniversary reunion. I had

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Speaker 1: an awesome time. Still, but that's not the way the

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Speaker 1: left is responding. They are absolutist and they are now

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Speaker 1: going on This was a woman going on MSNBC. Buck

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Speaker 1: who is a psychiatrist. She went on Joyreid's show. I

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Speaker 1: would submit that she actually should be giving as much

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Speaker 1: help to Joyreid as she could, because I think that

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Speaker 1: says insane things. So if anybody needs a psychiatrist on

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Speaker 1: daily television, I would submit it to read.

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Speaker 3: But no, this MSNBC.

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Speaker 1: Psychiatrist said, you guys, it's okay to not make the

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Speaker 1: decision to go out there and attend Thanksgiving. You can

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Speaker 1: let people know how you feel.

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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

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Speaker 4: There is a push, I think, just a societal norm

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Speaker 4: to your time. And I think the answer is absolutely not.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 6: If you are.

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Speaker 4: Going to a situation where you have family members, where

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Speaker 4: you have close friends, who you know have voted in

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Speaker 4: ways that are against you, like what you said, against

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Speaker 4: your livelihood, and it's completely fine to not be around

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Speaker 4: those people and to tell them why, you know, to say,

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Speaker 4: I have a problem with the way that you voted

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Speaker 4: because it went against my very livelihood, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: going to be around you this holiday. I need to

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Speaker 4: take some space for me.

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Speaker 1: How crazy is this that this is what MSNBC is

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Speaker 1: saying to their audience that basically you should And there

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Speaker 1: are lots of left wingers out there. I've only seen

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Speaker 1: left wingers so far doing this because I think they

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Speaker 1: are the ones that are psychologically broken. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: that have been saying for a decade now, if you

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Speaker 1: is this that this is a psychiatrist going on and

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Speaker 1: talking to I think, unfortunately a lot of psychologically broken

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Speaker 1: people and telling them it's completely normal to make your

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Speaker 7: If you can't stomach being around half the country in

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Speaker 7: a social setting, and particularly if it's a family member

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Speaker 7: you've got mental health problems. Yes, it's just straight up,

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Speaker 7: there's no way there's no way to sugarcoat it.

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Speaker 8: There's no way around this.

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Speaker 7: If you can't be around a family member who voted

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Speaker 7: be around somebody who voted for Trump, you have a problem.

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Speaker 7: There's something wrong with you. I grew up in New

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Speaker 7: York City, lived in New York City most of my life.

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Speaker 7: I was outnumbered by Democrats everywhere constantly. And you know,

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Speaker 7: you figure it out. You're polite to people, you go

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Speaker 7: in the White House tomorrow at eleven am, Trump with Biden.

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Speaker 7: I just think if you were an honest purveyor of

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Speaker 7: the media landscape to go so from Trump is Hitler,

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Speaker 7: and Biden now is going to have Trump in for lunch.

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Speaker 7: Like we were joking about yesterday, you wouldn't have Hitler

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Speaker 7: over for lunch. This argument they made was such a lie.

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Speaker 7: I will say this, buck. Did you see the video

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Speaker 7: of doctor Jill Biden with Kamala at Veterans Day? I

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Speaker 7: just what the stories that are still to come from

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Speaker 7: I think she legitimately hates her wearing that red outfit

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: And I wonder what the conversation is actually going to

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Speaker 1: may actually interestingly enough like Trump now more than he

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Speaker 1: likes Kamala. And right, I mean think about you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the conversation will actually be. But

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Speaker 1: one of the first things he says is, look, they

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Speaker 3: Uh, you would have been a.

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Speaker 1: Much tougher opponent than Kamala. They didn't treat you fairly,

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Speaker 1: like I think I would have very Trump. I think

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Speaker 1: been a lot harder. You were treated really unfairly. And

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Speaker 1: I think Biden's going to be like, yeah, I agree

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Speaker 8: You know, Clay. Somebody who wrongs you is upsetting.

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Speaker 7: Somebody who betrays you is a whole level beyond right.

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Speaker 7: And this is why I think I've said before in

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Speaker 7: the show, in the Final Circle of Hell and Dante's Inferno,

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Speaker 7: it's those who betray.

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Speaker 8: You know, the liz Chans of the world, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 7: Yes, yes, it's people who have been entrusted by others

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Speaker 7: you know, bonds of brother brotherhood.

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Speaker 8: That that is really the worst.

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Speaker 7: And I got to tell you, I think I think

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Speaker 7: Joe Biden feels betrayed by Kamala Harris. I think that

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Speaker 7: we were saying that they say stuff about Trump Clay

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Speaker 8: What we said about.

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Speaker 7: Kamala was true then, it is true now it is

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Speaker 1: Janet in Pennsylvania, what you got for us?

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Speaker 9: Hi, good, Good afternoon from Pennsylvania. I just wanted to

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Speaker 9: comment on the psychiatrist that was on MSNBC telling Joy

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Speaker 9: Ree to ignore her family and tell us abody in

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Speaker 9: her family that she didn't agree with. Yeah, so don't

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Speaker 9: show up for Thanksgiving. You know, I just when you

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Speaker 9: were playing that, I had the saddest thought, and it

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Speaker 9: was that in two thousand and one, in the year,

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Speaker 9: in two and a half months after the September eleventh attacks,

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Speaker 9: during like the month, the entire month of November, all

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Speaker 9: whole world, and it's just been it's only been twenty

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Speaker 3: Thank you for the call. Awful and thank you for

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Speaker 3: saving America.

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Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, by the way, uniquely with both a Senate

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Speaker 3: Buck. I'll just point this out.

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Speaker 1: My father in law died in May and I was

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Speaker 1: in that hospital room. It's an awful experience. It's great

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Speaker 3: Even if it just happened. No one is actually thinking that.

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Speaker 1: No one on their deathbed is thinking, hey, in nineteen

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Speaker 3: No one actually is thinking that.

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Speaker 7: One of the primary signifiers, one of the primary red

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Speaker 7: are decontextualized. You lose a sense of balance, a sense

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Speaker 7: In this country, any political party or political candidate who

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Speaker 8: No doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think that's well said, But I would just point out,

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Speaker 1: if you've ever been in those hospital rooms in the

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Speaker 1: you voted in the two thousand and four presidential election.

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Speaker 1: Don't destroy family relationships over election. Many different ways to

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Speaker 1: reach the show. You can call in eight hundred and

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Speaker 1: two two two AA two, but also we have talkback.

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Speaker 3: Let me hit a couple of these.

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Speaker 1: Paul in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I believe that's where Trump

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Speaker 1: finished his final rally if I remember correctly, late late

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Speaker 3: Paul, what you got for us? So let's listen to this.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Clarion Buck, I just want to let you know

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Speaker 10: that my family is all pretty much Democrat, and if

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Speaker 10: they were that bad towards me, I would probably just say, well,

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Speaker 10: that's I guess your choice. If you can't handle me

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Speaker 10: being who I am, I guess you don't love me anymore,

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Speaker 10: And it would be very sad to find that out,

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Speaker 10: but there'd be no skin off my nose because I,

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Speaker 10: unfortunately do not plug up with the craziness anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Buck, I just I want to reiterate this.

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is the week after next right, We're about sixteen

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Speaker 1: days away from Thanksgiving if I'm doing my math right.

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Speaker 1: The idea that any of you would end lifelong relationships

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Speaker 1: would just submit to you that while you might disagree politically,

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Speaker 1: lifelong friendships. And I know many of you are not

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Speaker 1: making that choice, but I just non partisan basis. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I was upset when Joe Biden won. The idea that

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Speaker 1: Biden is crazy to me.

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Speaker 1: If you are out there and you would like to

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Speaker 5: Why, Oh, it was painful. I live in the suburbs, Clay.

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Speaker 11: And buck Hey producer Ellie here. I'm crashing this podcast

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Speaker 1: The left is not going to get more sane, they

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Speaker 11: Again, this is good stuff from Clayan Buck right, and

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Speaker 11: Let's start with our friends Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine

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Speaker 14: This is all shaping up to be a really happy Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 14: That's the country I think families are getting ready to

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Speaker 14: hopefully not be at each other's throats. But it certainly

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Speaker 14: seems like the media, particularly MSNBC and CNN, are setting

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Speaker 14: it up that perhaps they want to encourage people to

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Speaker 14: argue with their Trump relatives.

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Speaker 15: Joy reid second clip from her today had on a psychologist,

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Speaker 15: and she asked her if the psychologist recommends being around

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Speaker 15: those awful family members who voted differently than you did, how.

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Speaker 6: Do you interact with people who you know voted for

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Speaker 6: this right If you are an LGBTQ person and you

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Speaker 6: know someone in your family voted essentially against your rights,

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Speaker 6: or you're a woman knowing that this man was calling

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Speaker 6: people the B word. Jadie Vance was literally calling Kamala

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Speaker 6: Harris the trash and said, we're going to take out

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Speaker 6: the trash. I know a lot of black and we're

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Speaker 6: incredibly triggered by that. And if you then meet somebody

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Speaker 6: and you know they voted for the people who called

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Speaker 6: you trash, or if you're Puerto Rican, you know and

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Speaker 6: you know someone voted that way, do you recommend, just

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Speaker 6: from a psychological standpoint, being around them. We got the

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Speaker 6: holidays coming up.

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Speaker 4: So I love that you asked this question, because you

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Speaker 4: know there is a push, I think, just a societal

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Speaker 4: norm that if somebody is your family, that they are

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Speaker 4: entitled to your time, and I think the answer is

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Speaker 4: absolutely not so. If you are going to a situation

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Speaker 4: where you have family members, where you have close friends

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Speaker 4: who you know have voted in ways that are against you,

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Speaker 4: like what you said, against your livelihood, and it's completely

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Speaker 4: fine to not be around those people and to tell

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Speaker 4: them why, you know, to say I have a problem

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Speaker 4: with the way that you voted because it went against

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Speaker 4: my very livelihood and I'm not going to be around

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Speaker 4: you this holiday. I need to take some space for me.

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Speaker 4: And I actually talked to you know, as well as

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Speaker 4: advising parents for children, I mean, I think you know,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that you should force children. I don't

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Speaker 4: think you should have forced adults to be around people

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Speaker 4: just because they're your family. I think there is a

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Speaker 4: level you know, need to establish boundaries, and if you

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Speaker 4: feel like you need to establish boundaries with people, whether

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Speaker 4: they're your family or not, I think you should very

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Speaker 4: much be entitled to do so, and I think it

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Speaker 4: may be essential for your mental health.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 14: I am of the don't split apart from your family

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Speaker 14: or your close friends do over politics. On X this account,

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Speaker 14: this small account went viral for posting that people should

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Speaker 14: cut off their family members. And look, you know, a

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Speaker 14: small account on x saying something whatever. But that person

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Speaker 14: got all of these comments, including from people who said

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Speaker 14: they were cutting off their children and never seeing their grandchildren.

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Speaker 15: And it's just crushing. And I can't imagine what my

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Speaker 15: kids would need to believe. And I've made the joke

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Speaker 15: like maybe, you know.

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Speaker 14: Even if they come home in a Stalin shirt, I'll

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Speaker 14: be like, he killed a lot of our family members.

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Speaker 14: Please don't wear that. But I would never be like,

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Speaker 14: and you're not welcome in my home. Belief is just that,

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Speaker 14: and you can't and you shouldn't be cutting off family

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Speaker 14: members for what they believe and who they voted for,

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Speaker 14: families everything, And you know, I really think that people

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Speaker 14: need to hear that, they need to hear that family

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Speaker 14: is important and your politics are less important than that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: I think the people that folks should set healthy boundaries

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Speaker 16: with first are like Joy Reid, you know, because because

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Speaker 16: a lot of this truly and I know that some

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Speaker 16: people really are hurting. And I thought the same thing

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Speaker 16: during COVID. I thought there were people who were really

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Speaker 16: hurting who shouldn't have to be because a lot of

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Speaker 16: things had been ginned up to make them very scared,

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Speaker 16: and that that was a systematic effort. And I didn't

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Speaker 16: like that. And I know that yelling people yelling at

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Speaker 16: people about their anxiety probably doesn't anxiety, but like, there

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Speaker 16: needs to be some evaluation of how much of this

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Speaker 16: angst is self inflicted, because if you're cutting off family members,

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Speaker 16: I would suggest that you wait for Trump to like

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Speaker 16: do something first, right, Yeah, that would if you. I

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Speaker 16: actually heard somebody who had who is very on the

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Speaker 16: never Trump side of the folks who left the Republican

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Speaker 16: Party over him, who said, like, yeah, I think one

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Speaker 16: of the better things that we could do as never

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Speaker 16: Trump people and that the media could do is actually

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Speaker 16: evaluate what he does balls and joke.

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Speaker 3: It's bold. It's a bold.

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Speaker 16: Strategy, and I think it's one that many people should undertake,

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Speaker 16: and it would keep them a little bit more between

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Speaker 16: the navigational beacons, because this is I get it. Look,

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Speaker 16: you want to set some healthy boundaries. Sure that if

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Speaker 16: you feel this way, the rest of your family is

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Speaker 16: going to have a great time with you anyway. But

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Speaker 16: like it's very sad. Like you say, I have plenty

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Speaker 16: of friends of family who disagree with me, always have

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Speaker 16: and they know it. I talk about it publicly, and

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Speaker 16: you know, I just think it. It's very tragic to

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Speaker 16: end up.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs Place Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 11: That's Carol Markowitz and Mary Catherine Ham of the Normally

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Speaker 11: podcast in the Klay and Buck podcast Feed, one of

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Speaker 11: our newer pods, which I personally love listening to while

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Speaker 11: I'm making dinner. Tudor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show

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Speaker 11: wade in too. Let's hear from her next.

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Speaker 17: They have to take care of the other people in

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Speaker 17: the country. I mean, these where that's not how America is.

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Speaker 17: It's we the people. They can speak for themselves, you know,

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Speaker 17: and they did, and I'm just so happy to see

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Speaker 17: that there was a unity. And that's the part that

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Speaker 17: really must be hard for them. There was a unity

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Speaker 17: and they've come out and they've said, oh, there's we

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Speaker 17: found that there's racist and there's misogynists in the country.

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Speaker 17: People are like, oh, come on, give it up. I mean,

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Speaker 17: give it up. But it really begs the question, like, well,

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Speaker 17: here we come into the holiday season, and you come

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Speaker 17: to your you go to Thanksgiving, you're gonna have Christmas,

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Speaker 17: You're gonna come together as families. And the question is,

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Speaker 17: how are families gonna take this? So I sent you

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Speaker 17: guys this tweet last night from this dude who ran

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Speaker 17: for office, and he's like totally unhinged. I thought it

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Speaker 17: was a joke at first, so I had to read

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Speaker 17: through his stuff, but this is what he says. My

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Speaker 17: aunt called I this is I should take this more

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Speaker 17: seriously because I I'm laughing a little, but I shouldn't be,

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Speaker 17: because it's very mean. My aunt called last night about

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Speaker 17: Thanksgiving plans. During our conversation, she mentioned she voted for Trump.

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Speaker 17: I told her my home is not open to traders

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Speaker 17: and I would not go to theirs. I have no

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Speaker 17: space in my life for those who could care less

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Speaker 17: about the United States. She's upset, and then it says,

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Speaker 17: f around and find out. I mean, come on, this

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Speaker 17: is how So this is how people are going to

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Speaker 17: treat you if you are an open Trump supporter. And

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Speaker 17: I have someone in my life, so I look at

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Speaker 17: this holiday season and I'm like, I have a person

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Speaker 17: in my life who's on the other side of the

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Speaker 17: aisle and we argue back and forth about it, and

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Speaker 17: I have not contacted this person because I feel like

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Speaker 17: I needed to give them some time. It's not like,

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Speaker 17: you know what, am I going to contact them and

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Speaker 17: be like would you think of the election results and

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Speaker 17: have them be really mad? But this Thanksgiving, honestly, I

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Speaker 17: think it's time. I love the people who always are like,

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Speaker 17: I'm not going to talk about it, and then they

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Speaker 17: set out the Trump wine. You know, it's like, don't

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Speaker 17: do that. This is I think this is such a

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Speaker 17: great time of year because we can come together and

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Speaker 17: we can talk about how the country is healing. The

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Speaker 17: country is looking for someone to serve, not to someone

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Speaker 17: to dictate, someone to serve, and you have the opportunity

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Speaker 17: to just have people that you love around the table.

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Speaker 17: I absolutely say, have everybody you love around the table.

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Speaker 17: Have everybody give them grace, give them praise, love on

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Speaker 17: the people in your life life right now. Those people

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Speaker 17: who are saying they can't sit there, show them that

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Speaker 17: you love them. This is the party that cares for people.

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Speaker 17: The Right is the party that loves people, that cares

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Speaker 17: for people.

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Speaker 16: It is our.

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Speaker 17: Opportunity to bring those people into our lives. And say

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Speaker 17: we don't. We're not looking at politics. We are looking

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Speaker 17: at you. We love you, we want to see you successful.

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Speaker 17: That's what one out last week on election Day. It's

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Speaker 17: family bringing back American values. We heard from a guy

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Speaker 17: on the podcast who talks about the culture shift, and

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Speaker 17: the interesting part about the culture shift is that these

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Speaker 17: younger generations are going toward traditional values. That whole traad

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Speaker 17: wife thing.

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Speaker 3: It's not a joke.

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Speaker 17: They really are looking to bring back traditional values and

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Speaker 17: that feeling of safety and security and a family. Accept that,

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Speaker 17: and if they don't, if somebody doesn't want that, accept that,

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Speaker 17: that's the beauty of our country. Have your loved ones over,

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Speaker 17: Tell them you love them, Tell them you don't care

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Speaker 17: if they're mad at you about this, love them anyway.

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Speaker 17: But I think it's gonna be hard for some families.

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Speaker 2: Turkey Talk a special edition from Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 11: That's Tutor Dixon of The Tutor Dixon Show, and she's

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Speaker 11: right on the money. Some of our other hosts also

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Speaker 11: weighed in, but we're gonna save that for the next

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Speaker 11: Turkey Talk, along with more Clay and Buck. In fact,

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Speaker 11: the next episode is going to contain a few conversation

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Speaker 11: comebacks on subjects like reparations and history revisionism. I read

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Speaker 11: a lot of your emails, and producer Greg and Mark

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Speaker 11: take a lot of your calls, and we often hear

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Speaker 11: a common lament if only Clay and Buck were at

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Speaker 11: the dinner table when I get into political talk with

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Speaker 11: my woke college kid or Uncle Clive with the man bun,

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Speaker 11: turkey talk will serve as debate prep for the holidays,

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Speaker 11: But don't let politics ruin the relationships. It's okay to

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Speaker 11: challenge each other and engage in healthy debate, but remember

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Speaker 11: to be kind and leave with love. If you have

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Speaker 11: any stories to share with us, the good, the bad,

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Speaker 11: the funny, especially the funny, we like you or here

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Speaker 11: until the next turkey talk. As Buck says, shield Tie