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Speaker 1: Hey, it is Steve Bolton and this week on in

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Speaker 1: service of Sage, Bob and I are still thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined by Mike Postner. Mike's an old friend. Amazing

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Speaker 1: conversation on his new music, on his place and life,

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Speaker 1: on all the things he's accomplished, whether it's climbing everest

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Speaker 1: or it's making great music. This was such a fun chat.

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Speaker 1: Mike is an incredible guy. I hope you enjoyed this

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Speaker 1: one as much as need it. This is my podcast

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Speaker 1: co host beautiful Sage. How's it going here?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 3: Great to be here, excited to talk to you. I'm

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Speaker 3: such a fan of your music, your breath work and

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Speaker 3: the whole extraordinaire.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's you know, it's funny. I met this

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Speaker 1: know that first time meeting you and I had is

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Speaker 1: definitely up there. I mean I have a million stories,

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Speaker 1: but dude, I mean, you know, never forget that night

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Speaker 1: up in the dark on Moholand. Yeah, now it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a weird thing. I was thinking

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Speaker 1: of you an association with grief. I heard my album

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Speaker 1: up on mohonk we went to a late listening and

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Speaker 1: it was right around the time that both of our

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Speaker 1: father your father had died and my mother had died,

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Speaker 1: and so we were just seeing up there talking about

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Speaker 1: this in this really surreal setting. But it makes for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a deep moment for sure.

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Speaker 1: For sure. It's funny because you feel it on this album.

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Speaker 1: You know it's a fucking great album, but you feel

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Speaker 1: it in the sense of like there's just this new

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Speaker 1: depth that comes from experience. You know that once you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: This new album is all about album we listened to

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Speaker 4: years ago was about pain. This album is about alchemizing

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Speaker 4: the pain into beauty.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. So for you, Yeah, I love underneath it

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Speaker 1: all and do the veil of my I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: love that. I love like just how consciousness it feels.

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Speaker 1: It's not a we good song to put in a

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Speaker 1: record in nineteen sixty seven or nineteen seventy. In twenty

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Speaker 2: Thank you take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 1: But it's a compliment is.

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Speaker 2: One of my favorite parts of that song.

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Speaker 4: Nobody knows this until now, but at the end of it,

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Speaker 2: Wushing sound almost sounds like wind on it.

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Speaker 4: And we used the software that basically scan photographs and

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Speaker 4: it analyzes the frequencies of the light of the colors

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Speaker 4: we use these sounds. And I scanned all these photographs

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Speaker 4: of people I love, some of them dead, some of

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Speaker 4: them alive, all these people that I loved in my life,

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Speaker 4: and we made that weird ethereal wishing sound almost like

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Speaker 4: and it's just every time I hear it, it just really

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Speaker 1: Very cool. So it's funny when you started putting it together,

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Speaker 1: you know, were there photographs in there that kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, when you think about people you've lost, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know. So we're there, like, what kind of range

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Speaker 4: It's like my father, you know, my dog, my my

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Speaker 4: friend Dawa Frent Ronnie, it's just yeah, different people from

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Speaker 1: I love that you include the dog. Yeah, I have

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Speaker 2: Oh sorry, you.

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Speaker 1: Know again we've both gone through. It's part of life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, how are you doing now?

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Speaker 1: You know, just always trying to keep things interesting, doing

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Speaker 1: We can also catch up another time off interview, because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, your job must have just changed so much, or

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Speaker 2: It's kind of crazy to think about.

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Speaker 1: Dude from when I started. Yes, but then you know,

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Speaker 1: because you know, people want to hear about your album,

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Speaker 1: which is amazing. I also love the fact it's called

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Speaker 1: the Beginning because it feels like it's a new start

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you it. You know, like Joseph Campbe will

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Speaker 4: Then you go on the journey, you meet your allies,

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Speaker 4: then there's the point of no return, then there's a battle,

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Speaker 4: It was dark chapter, and this was the soundtrack soundtrack

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Speaker 4: of me alchemizing that pain into beauty, alchemizing that pain

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Speaker 4: hope is well one I just make the album because it,

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Speaker 4: be if it's the soundtrack to other people's journeys, other

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Speaker 4: people's alchemization of pain into beauty, if you will a

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Speaker 4: friend of mine I met last year, he said, Mike you.

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Speaker 4: You have a way of pointing towards the rainbows while

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Speaker 4: admitting that the sun doesn't always shine. And so that's

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Speaker 4: what I hope this album does.

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Speaker 1: I like that, but it's interesting. And I'll let's say

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Speaker 1: but you know what you're saying about pain, you know,

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Speaker 1: plus growth equally growth, you know. I quote more often

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Speaker 4: I think that's really astute observation by mister Cave. It's

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Speaker 4: in some ways audio affirmations. You know, affirmations will say

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Speaker 4: and these are like musical affirmations, you know, or if

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Speaker 4: you know, and you're essentially singing the things that you

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Speaker 4: and uh so, I think that's absolutely right. You know,

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Speaker 2: As he said, yes, spot on it.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely love everything you're saying speaking my language. I've

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Quincy Jones said, the deeper the human you are,

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Speaker 4: I said, Norman, shouldn't I like show you what I

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Speaker 4: he pointing to the piano. And so it's all tied.

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Speaker 4: And I'm a student of life. I'm on a spiritual journey.

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Speaker 4: And uh so it all goes into the album.

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Speaker 4: The time I get I always get these like record

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Speaker 4: So much happened since I made this album, and those

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, I'm so curious. So who

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Speaker 1: Well, that's every artist by the way, you ask any

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Speaker 2: One, or the next one. Right now, I'm thriving. You know,

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Speaker 4: So you know, when you measure your life by your

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Speaker 1: Interesting by the nick Cave theory, then though, that should

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Speaker 1: be you're writing a sad album.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, like you said, you write what it is you're

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Speaker 4: I guess when you're happy, are you longing for sadness, though.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know as an artist, are you

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Speaker 1: I want to go back for a second, No, because

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Speaker 1: Some money and wait, tell me about the freaking book

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Speaker 1: you're writing.

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Speaker 2: The freaking book I'm writing is about my walk across America,

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Speaker 1: That's always interesting for me as a writer, because you know,

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Speaker 1: you uncover so much when you're writing things you haven't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you said, it's spot on, dude. Some of the

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Speaker 4: we do. You think of your life story, you have

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Speaker 4: some kind of prep speech that like spews out of

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Speaker 4: one's mouth when asked, like, you know, how did you

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Speaker 4: end up here?

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Speaker 2: Or who are you?

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Speaker 4: And I've certainly had, you know, my fair share of

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Speaker 4: can canned speeches about why I walked across America. You know,

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Speaker 4: all that kind of thing that I did a lot

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Speaker 4: of interviews, but when I sat down to write, you know,

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Speaker 4: there's I think anyone that writes a book and is

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Speaker 4: committed to the truth finds there's usually a capital T

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Speaker 4: true answer that lies underneath those canned responses, and it

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Speaker 4: is dormant inside one's own heart, waiting to be uncovered.

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Speaker 4: And so writing a book isn't just going through your diary.

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Speaker 4: It's an excavation, an emotional excavation, spiritual excavation, and uncovering.

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Speaker 4: So it's been a not so subtle experience for sure.

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Speaker 1: All Right, well see, I'm gonna read the book for sure,

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Speaker 1: But now I'm so curious because we have to wait

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Speaker 1: a year for it. What is the capitalisty truth? Bind

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Speaker 1: why you did? You know?

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Speaker 2: The capital T truth is that there's more than one answer.

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Speaker 4: And well, the answer that I didn't really want to

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Speaker 4: write was that I was partially doing it for attention,

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Speaker 4: and I was pretending I was the thing I wanted

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Speaker 4: to be. When I started walking like I had a

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Speaker 4: long beard, and I you know, Justin Bieber would.

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Speaker 2: Call me and say, hey, dude, you figured it out.

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Speaker 4: Man, you're just walking away, and I'd say, yes, I

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Speaker 4: have figured it all out, like would you like some advice?

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Speaker 4: You'm justin you know, And the truth is, like I

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Speaker 4: hadn't really figured it out. I was trying to figure

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Speaker 4: it out, pretending I pretending I already had.

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Speaker 1: But that goes back to the artistic nature of what

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Speaker 1: Nick was saying. You were trying to figure it out

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Speaker 1: and you were able to do so from doing it.

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Speaker 1: So you were looking for something, you know, as an artist,

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Speaker 1: you were looking for something and the only way to

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Speaker 1: do it was to do the artistic thing and try it.

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Speaker 2: That's right, I think that's I think that's right. And

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Speaker 2: I did uncover a lot on that journey. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: all the things I expected, and yeah, it just it

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Speaker 2: changed my life in ways that anticipate.

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Speaker 3: I'm so inspired by how you are an advocate for

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Speaker 3: just becoming more you. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 3: are afraid of that journey and just the endeavor to

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Speaker 3: walk across the America, the endeavor to Mount Everest and

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Speaker 3: share this. It's just kind of inspiring everyone to endeavor

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Speaker 3: that within themselves too. And then when you look back

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Speaker 3: on those experiences, it can illuminate more of actually walking

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Speaker 3: that path. Perhaps so turning to this album, when you

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Speaker 3: look back on it, what was perhaps prophetic in it

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Speaker 3: or something that you can now understand more than you

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Speaker 3: did when you were creating it.

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Oh, I think most notably it's probably.

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Speaker 4: My love, who we already talked about earlier. No smallest

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Speaker 4: things like you talked about underneath it All. She's quite

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Speaker 4: enjoying this interview, by the way. Yeah, we talked about

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Speaker 4: underneath it All, which was really just kind of like

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Speaker 4: a fantasy. And now I guess at least be on

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Speaker 4: the track or in striking range of being the man

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Speaker 4: that can actually have that experience is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: If you had to tell your younger self a piece

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Speaker 3: of advice, what would you say?

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Speaker 2: You have no idea how good it's going to get?

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Speaker 2: Keep going well.

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Speaker 1: The name of the podcast is in service of you know,

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Speaker 1: which I think has you know. It's a lie about

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Speaker 1: giving back for you. What does it mean to be

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Speaker 1: in service of and how does it influence your music?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate truth.

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Speaker 4: Is I hope to be in service of God or

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Speaker 4: life with a capital L, which just just changes moment

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Speaker 4: to moment. When I try to control my own life,

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Speaker 4: things go so well. But when I just surrender and

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Speaker 4: give over control to higher power. I'm just in service

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Speaker 4: of that, and so that can look a lot of

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Speaker 4: different ways. Like you know, when I'm on stage, it

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Speaker 4: looks a little different than if I'm just in the

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Speaker 4: moment or talking with you guys, or meeting meeting someone

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Speaker 4: on the street, or you know, these kind of things.

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Speaker 2: So that's it. It's just being a service of what

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Speaker 2: the moment calls for.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell us a little bit more about the

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Speaker 3: Inner Bloom community. It was in process, now it's there.

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Speaker 2: I would love to share and invite you guys and

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Speaker 2: all your listeners to join. Inner Bloom is a community

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Speaker 2: where miracles and transformation happen and it's totally free.

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Speaker 4: There's also a free album inside that community, so if

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Speaker 4: anyone wants to join, they can just go to Mike

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Speaker 4: Posner dot com. We do a call every Thursday that

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Speaker 4: involves breath work, and really people leave that call centered,

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Speaker 4: uh and in touch with what really matters. You know,

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Speaker 4: you ever go through your week and you're just like,

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Speaker 4: I'm so caught up in everything I'm doing and and

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Speaker 4: my own melodrama this, and you can kind of just

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Speaker 4: forget what you're doing. It for that call is just

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Speaker 4: a recenter, a reconnection meant to be a reconnection to

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Speaker 4: what really matters to one's heart. So yeah, we do

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Speaker 4: those every Thursday and people can sign up to be

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Speaker 4: a part of it at Mike Posner dot com.

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Speaker 2: And again it's totally free.

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Speaker 4: So would love to invite both of you and anyone

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Speaker 4: in your.

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Speaker 2: Audience is welcome to joint. It's just a wonderful community.

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Speaker 4: If it's not like social media where people are you know,

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Speaker 4: trolling or making fun of you, Like, there's no negativity involved.

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Speaker 4: So if there's anyone's negative in the me to get

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Speaker 4: kicked out. So it's just people praying for each other

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Speaker 4: and encouraging one another and people upliving upleveling their lives

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Speaker 4: and sharing their wins and and real stuff, you know,

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Speaker 4: like people with terminal cancer sharing. We have people that

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Speaker 4: are recovering from gunshot wounds, like and it's it's not me,

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Speaker 4: it's like them. It's so inspiring. You sees people like

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Speaker 4: who have every reason to be senecore give up. Just decide,

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Speaker 4: you know, they're going to live a life of joy

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Speaker 4: and faith and love and happiness and whatever they choose

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Speaker 4: to create.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing. I will definitely be there.

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Speaker 1: I know that you said you got to jump. Is

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Speaker 1: there anything you want to add we didn't ask you about.

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Speaker 2: That's it. Just I love you guys. Have a blessed day.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well it's good catching up with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Good to see you brother.

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Speaker 1: Well, thanks man, love bye the po