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He says it was a terrible accident 29 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: when he was sitting in the backseat of his suv 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: holding a pistol. Ship. Absolutely was an accident. Perhaps the 31 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: best proof of that is me, I am dying a 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: little bit every day. A long time printing confident of 33 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: miss mcgiver says she's certain that text mcgiver had fallen 34 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: asleep and was asleep while holding his weapon. He had 35 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: asked Diane for it because he was concerned about him 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: driving down the street where homeless people were hanging out. 37 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: He says it went off and shot his wife Diane 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: in the back. Atlanta millionaire text mcgiver says he was 39 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: in the back seat of his SUV when he fell 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: asleep and woke up startled, afraid he was about to 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: be attacked by protesters in Black Lives Matter, and whoops, 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: pull the trigger on the gun he had in his 43 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: lap and shot his wife dead, who was sitting in 44 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: the front seat as the car was being driven along 45 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: by a family friend. Okay, so many things stink about 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: that story. I mean, I hardly know which way to turn. 47 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: In addition to that, the wife isn't cold in the 48 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: gray before. He has an estate cell look more like 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: a garage cell to me, where he got rid of 50 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: all of her clothing, her purses, her her designers shoes, 51 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: you name it, to the tune of about a million dollars. 52 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: I wonder if he held onto anything for sentimental reasons. 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it. To top it all off, 54 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: the prominent Atlanta lawyer makes bond. Okay, he's out walking 55 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: free when a search warrant is conducted in his home 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: for papers relating to the death, and guess what they 57 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: find a gun in his sought drawer. M hm m mmmmm. 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: So text mc ivor, renowned attorney goes back to jail. Well, 59 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: here's the latest straight out to defense attorney Renee Rockwell, 60 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: who practices in that very courthouse. Renee, now he wants 61 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: out again, what's happening? He is gonna ask the court again, 62 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: may he be released on fond? Uh? He asked last 63 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: week to go visit his mother who was in hospice 64 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: dying in Texas, and now he wants to be released 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: on bond to attend the funeral. Now. Uh, many would 66 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: speculate that Judge mcferney is not going to allow that. 67 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: But Nancy, if the funeral is actually held in Georgia, 68 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: there is a way for the Sheriff's department to carry 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: him over to the funeral home and at least attend 70 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: the way. Okay, hold on, if this was not a 71 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: rich lawyer who is a partner in a big law 72 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: firm and rubs shoulders with all the judges and everybody 73 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: in the Atlanta Bar Association, and goes to the right 74 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: country club and is seeing at the right restaurants and 75 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: get togethers. If he's just a regular person like everybody else, 76 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: we wouldn't even be talking about this. It's just just 77 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: no in Oh, he should have thought about that before 78 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: he put a gun in his sock drawer, Renee, Well, 79 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: there's some question as to whether he put the gun 80 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: in the sock drawer a brother left it there, but 81 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: who what what what? There's some question as to whether 82 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: or not his brother may have left the gun in 83 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: the sock drawer. Uh that was enough for Dug McBurney 84 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: to return him to the jail. Renee. Now, I don't 85 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: want to get too personal with you, but how often 86 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: do you change your socks daily? Okay? That's good to know. Okay. 87 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: Uh So if the gun is in his sock drawer, 88 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: and we can assume he changes his socks at least 89 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: once a day, you don't think he would see it? 90 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: What thirty eight sitting right there? I believe I would 91 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: notice if I looked at my underwords drawing there was 92 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: a thirty eight sitting there. I think I noticed, Renee. Well, 93 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 1: it could up been hidden under all the socks, Nancy, 94 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: hidden under the socks. You know what. That's why you're 95 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: so successful. And I bet, even though I can't see you, 96 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: I bet you said it with a straight face. The 97 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: gun was hidden under the socks. Okay, Um, good luck 98 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: with that. Let's go back to the time of the shooting. 99 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Itself before we fast forward to whether he's going to 100 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: get out to go to his mom's funeral. He's, you 101 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: know what, I don't want to be around this guy. 102 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: Everybody drops dead around him. He's going to a lot 103 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 1: of funerals lately. Let me go out to crime stories. 104 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: Contributing reporter Drew Nelson, Drew, take me back to the 105 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: moment that his wife, who was extremely successful, and there's 106 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: been a lot of speculation that she was the cash cow, 107 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: she was the money maker in that family. Tell me 108 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: what happened to night she's shot dead. It was September 109 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: of Uh. They've just gotten off the interstate in Atlanta. 110 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: Who was and hey, this is Claude tech class. That's 111 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: his legal name, Claude mckebor. He goes by the name 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: text text mc ivor and his wife Diane. Uh, they're 113 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: being driven in an suv Limo um By. They have 114 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: their driver with him, and they get off the interstate 115 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: near a homeless shelter and text mc iver He's he's 116 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: worried about their safety, is what he's saying. And he's 117 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: there's been black lives matter. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 118 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute. I cut down by that homeless shelter 119 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: every day. When I would leave the courthouse once in 120 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: a while, there are people standing out front waiting to 121 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: get something to eat. That's what he was a right, 122 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: that's why he had to pull out his gun. Now, 123 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 1: they were worried about the many several Black Lives Matter 124 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: protests that have been in the area recently. Well, was 125 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: there a protest happening that night? Not that, Oh, okay, 126 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: all right, but this was what the spokesman said at 127 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: the time. So he pulls his his gun. It's a 128 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: it's a revolver. Apparently he had it in a grocery 129 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: bag in the car, and he's in the back seat. 130 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: She's in the front seat. Um, and there he is 131 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: protected by his revolver, falling asleep in the back seat. 132 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: When he says they hit a bump, the gun discharges. 133 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Diane mckeber is shot in the back. Now, hold on 134 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: right there, hold on, hold on. Drew back to Renee Rockwell, Renee, 135 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: I will never forget. There's two lines of thought about 136 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: easy access to weapons. I will never forget the first 137 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: time I ever went in your home bathroom and I 138 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: came out and went, Renee, you know you got a 139 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: shotgun by your commode, and you're uh huh. I'm like, okay, 140 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: because up until then, and this is well after I've 141 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: been prosecuting, I didn't know about anybody other than Oprah's 142 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: they kept a gun by their and the mob of 143 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: course that kept a gun by their commode in playing view. 144 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: So apparently with Texa mc ivor, it's just fine and 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: Danny to be driving along with a gun in your 146 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Kroger bag, sitting in your lap. To me, what I'm 147 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: saying is your know that doesn't make sense and it 148 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: won't make sense to a jury. That's well within his right, 149 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: Nancy to be in possession of the gun. He's not 150 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: a felon now. He is someone that once he was 151 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: friended Bond, I think, surrendered approximately seventeen firearms to the 152 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: sheriff down in South Georgia. Okay, hold on, I was 153 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: trying to fight back the laughing here seventeen guns for what? 154 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: And yes, I know it's your right under the Fourth Amendment, 155 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: right to bear is it the Fourth Amendment? I lost 156 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: my mind. Well, I know it's your right to bear 157 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: arms under the Constitution. I get that, But okay, all right, fine, 158 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: you tell that to a jury full of school teachers 159 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: and librarians and accountants and bankers. You go on and 160 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: tell him that that he needs a gun in his 161 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: croaker sack in the backseat of the car with his 162 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: finger on the trigger. All right, go ahead, drew. What happened? 163 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: Then they were in the he was in the back 164 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: seat and he says he was falling asleep. As Um, 165 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: the gun goes off and he missed something. Wait, he's asleep, 166 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: and you act like the gun just went off all on, 167 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: all on its own. The gun didn't just go off. 168 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: Guns don't just go off. Somebody has to pull the trigger. 169 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: And what he is claiming is that they hit a 170 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: bump and it went off. Okay, Renee with me veteran 171 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: defense attorney Renee Rockwell. Renee, Um, how many times have 172 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: I prosecuted and you defended? Not on the same case, 173 00:10:56,080 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: I might add, never, never, never, where gun went off 174 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: and nobody knows what happened. How often does that happen 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: in court? Nancy? It happens all the time, or at 176 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: least that's what people say happens all the time. Well, 177 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there minding my own business, and whoops, 178 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: the gun went off. It just went off for Nae, 179 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: and it happened to hit his wife in the back. 180 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: That's certainly a cowinkie dink that's right, Nancy, and she 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: died from those injuries. But if he's asleep in the 182 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: back seat with the gun on low ready or in 183 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: his lap with his finger on the trigger and falls 184 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: asleep and it and the car hits a bomb and 185 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: he accidentally shoots r in the back, that's his defense. 186 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: But Renee, how can that happen If he's sitting in 187 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: the car, in the back seat and he's asleep with 188 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: a gun in his lap, how can it be that 189 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: it is suddenly pulled and pointed upright at his wife 190 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: and then the trigger is pulled if he's sitting I 191 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: hope somebody's going to do a recreate, a recreation on this. 192 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 1: If he's sitting in the back seat asleep with the 193 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: gun in his lap, it seems to me the gun 194 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: should have shot through the driver's side door, not into 195 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: his wife's back, who was sitting in front of him. 196 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: That doesn't make sense to me. I mean, the the pattern, 197 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: the travel pattern, the trajectory path of the bullet. That 198 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. With his story. It doesn't gee haws, 199 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't fit together. So you know what, that's his 200 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: story and he's sticking to it. Renee, let me just 201 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: ask you about the yard sale. Excuse me, the private 202 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: estate sell for all of his wife's belongings. That's not 203 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: a good look. Well, Nancy, he um apparently fold these 204 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: items um and probably blie in an effort to raise 205 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: in cash. Uh. Maybe he thought he would need some 206 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: money for an attorney down the line, even though he 207 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: is a lawyer. What is more amazing to me is 208 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: that he sat down the possibility of these charges being 209 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: levied against him and talked and talked and talked to 210 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: the police. Speaking of money, Back to Drew Nelson, Crime 211 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: Stories contributor, tell me about the money and the family. 212 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: Diane mc ivor was uh an executive with a large 213 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: advertising firm in Atlanta. After she was killed, her picture 214 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: went up on digital billboards. Uh, remembering Diane mc ivor. 215 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: And as you were saying, text, mc ivor may have 216 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: made money, as you know, he worked for one of 217 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: the big law firms. But Diane McIver was an executive. 218 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: She was bringing in the money. And that's what makes 219 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: you wonder why he sold all of her stuff all 220 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden. And remember, guys, they are separate. They've 221 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: always kept their finances separate. And there's some idea that 222 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: the motive was because he owed her money. The amount 223 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: of money we're talking about is millions of dollars, and 224 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: there are reports mcdiver owed his wife nearly a half 225 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: a million dollars. It's also my understanding, renewe, that they 226 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: kept their finances completely separate. How does that figure into 227 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: the scenario is if that's to me, Nancy, I think 228 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: that the state is going to put forward as the 229 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: motive that Tex mdiver owes his wife allegedly some grand 230 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: amount of money half a million under thousands to a 231 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: half a million dollars for uh some potential um improvement 232 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: on some property that they have, and that that's the 233 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: reason that he's killed her. I sure hope that the 234 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: state does not try to put that motive up in 235 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: front of a Fulton County jury, because they're gonna have 236 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: a problem with that as a motive. Well, to me, 237 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: half a million dollar sounds like a motive, a money motive. 238 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: But to what we're talking about right now, um renee, 239 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: give me a yes, no, with the funeral likely occurring 240 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: in Texas. Is tex Macayvor going to be released from 241 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: an Atlanta jail to go to his mom's funeral? Not likely, Nancy. Not. 242 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: If it's in Texas, that could change if it's in Georgia. 243 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: What is going on in Cajun Country right now? I'm 244 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: hearing reports that a multimillionaire allegedly orchestrates his wife's kidnap 245 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: and has her tortured. What don't they know about d 246 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: I V O R C E. I mean, sy Grace, 247 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: this is crime stories. Does it never end? Just get 248 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a divorce? This guy is a multi millionaire. Can't he 249 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: afford to just slice it down the middle? But instead 250 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: we are hearing reports that he allegedly orchestrates his wife's 251 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: kidnapping and has her tortured in the midst of a 252 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: divorce battle. I'm talking about Lawrence Michael Hanley. He's just 253 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: forty nine years old. This is four days after his wife, 254 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: who was gorgeous, is allegedly kidnapped at gunpoint. What now 255 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: we're learning that there are allegations the husband orchestrated the 256 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: whole thing. Joining me right now is a veteran trial lawyer, 257 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: my k Agian friend Renee Rockwell, veteran defense attorney. Also 258 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: with me is Drew Nelson, reporting on the story, Renee, 259 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: what is going on in Cajun Country? Don't? Yeah, I 260 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: know you all are functioning under the Napoleonic code still, 261 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: but um, don't you have divorce? We have divorced down there, Nancy. 262 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: But apparently twenty five million was not enough to split 263 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: down the middle. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, Renee, 264 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: hold on twenty five million. You certainly turned my head. Renee. 265 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: Do you remember when you and I were were king 266 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: in the Fulton County Courthouse together and I was prosecuting 267 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: felonies and you were defending dopers left and right, and 268 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: we were so broke that we would kind of sneak 269 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: into the Jurard cafeteria and we would get a giant cup, 270 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: like a super slurpie cup of homemade soup from the 271 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 1: cafeteria and all the crackers we could we could put 272 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: in our fists and have that for lunch because it 273 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: was ninety nine cents. I wouldn't even get a drink. 274 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember that? I think I'll put that out 275 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: of my mind, Nancy, But anyway back to the that 276 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: good that was some good eating Renee. That soup was homemade. 277 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: You don't remember that. I do remember it, and I'm not. 278 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm a couple of steps away from that cafeteria as 279 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: you speak. And they've got twenty five million dollars and 280 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: they can't split it down the middle. Really, um, Apparently 281 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: he was the owner and treatment facility, and that facility 282 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: was sold out. Wait a minute, I couldn't hear you. 283 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: He was the owner of a what drug treatment facility 284 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: and opioid treatment facility and sold that for the grand 285 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: tune of probably somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty five million. 286 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: But in Louisiana, which is a community property state, everything 287 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: belongs to the husband and the wife equally, So I 288 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: guess he did not want to split that down the 289 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: middle and had some fantastic uh plan to have her 290 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: kidnapped and uh not for ransom. Nancy just kidnapped and 291 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: now hold on, tortured, tortured as well. We are looking 292 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: at just revealed court documents that detail this horrific kidnapping. Uh. 293 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: Two kidnappers allegedly gets the woman. They have bought all 294 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: the necessary items to kidnap, bind, torture and abuse her. 295 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: And this guy, I mean, how don can he b Renee? 296 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: He charters an airplane to evade capture, like talk about 297 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: leaving a trail a mile wide charter and wait a minute, 298 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute, isn't one of your brothers. Don't they fly? 299 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Don't they fly private? He's a pilot. Now, how do 300 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: you go in and charter a plane without getting giving 301 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: I d you just go to any FO, any free 302 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: base operation and say hey, I need to rent a 303 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,959 Speaker 1: plane to go from here to there. Um. What's also 304 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 1: amazing man as he is? They now have witnesses that 305 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: say he was the one that actually rented the van 306 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: that was used in the kidnapping. Let's start at the beginning. 307 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: Hold on with me as veteran trial lawyer out of 308 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction but actually tries cases all across the country, 309 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, also with me as reporter Crime Stories contributor 310 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Drew Nelson. You know what, start at the beginning, Okay, Drew? 311 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: What happened? Well, these two guys who were allegedly hired 312 00:20:54,760 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: by Mr Hanley, Lawrence Hanley. Uh, this is white and 313 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: in depth. You know, what. I don't want to hear 314 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: those in depth. I want to hear it in a nutshell. 315 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: This is what I know. There's twenty five million dollars 316 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: on the table. They're getting a divorce, and the wife 317 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: is stripped, tortured and abused, threatened with rape and murder 318 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: en route to be dumped to her husband, button naked, 319 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: tortured and abused. If this is true, he's going to jail. Now, 320 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: Did I miss any facts? Drew? And this very complicated scenario. 321 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: The new information we've learned is that these two men, 322 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: uh they the police say they posed a salesman. The 323 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: prosecutors are now saying that these two guys posed a 324 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: salesman to try to trick and they ended up tricking 325 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 1: Lawrence Handley's wife in uh into letting them take her hosta, 326 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: take her captive. As you were saying, uh later on 327 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: in the day, these guys, wait a minute, back it up, 328 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: Back it up. So these two guys that the has 329 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: been allegedly hires pose as salesman, and they trick the 330 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: wife and they get her in the van Renee. This 331 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: is your neck of the woods. What can you tell 332 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: me about this area? I'm looking at the home and 333 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: it looks like a millionaire lives there. It's huge. What 334 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: I can tell you, Nancy, is two men in a van, 335 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: rant shirt, dark pants roll up to the house looking 336 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: like some salesmen. What individuals in the home are able 337 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 1: to say is that they hear the wife saying answering 338 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: the door, saying no thank you, I already have a company. 339 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they ask, is this a is 340 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: this some kind of a company that's going to exterminate 341 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: for test? What? What is? At any rate, she tells 342 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: him no thank you. They kicked the door in force 343 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: her into the van, handcuffed other individuals in the house, 344 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: everybody but the the juvenile was handcuffed and take off 345 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: allegedly down it and heading towards slidell, which is where 346 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: there to meet um the husband. This is what else 347 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: I know. Um. These two guys, two Mississippi guys, were 348 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: apparently hired by the millionaire, Lawrence Michael Hanley, to kidnap 349 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: the wife. They posed a salesman, as Renee is telling you, 350 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: they gained entry into this millionaire's home. They then forced 351 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: her into the back of this van we're talking about. 352 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: The van was rented in Baton Rouge, according to documents 353 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: we have just obtained now. The affidavit goes on to 354 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: say that the husband tried to call his wife two 355 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: days before the kidnapping, and they think maybe responsible for 356 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: multiple threatening text messages she received just before the wife 357 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: is kidnapped. You know, Renee, there was a day at 358 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: a time that it was very difficult to trace. For instance, 359 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: um paying your cell phone recover em el was recovered texts. 360 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: But now any threatening text this husband sent his wife, 361 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: they're going to be recovered, Renee, they are, But Nancy 362 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: considered this. He's also charged with him online impersonation. So 363 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: he may have had some type of an app where 364 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: he's disguising who is actually himself as actually the one 365 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: sending the text messages are the threatening messages, So for 366 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: that he's also charged. It's just okay, can you back 367 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: it up just a little bit, Renee, What do you 368 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: mean he was disguising himself online? You can get apps 369 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: on a cell phone, Nancy, where it does not appear 370 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: that these text messages are actually coming from your phone. 371 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: It can be a spoof or another number where he 372 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: may be threatening her, but she's not actually able to 373 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: pinpoint that the threats are coming from him. He may 374 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: have done that in an effort to try to throg 375 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: a police off to make it look like it was 376 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: not him that engaged in the kidnaps. Well, they're in 377 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,239 Speaker 1: it now because apparently these two guys allegedly hired by 378 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: the husband, use semi automatic handguns and pointed them at 379 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,439 Speaker 1: everybody in the home, including the child, including the wife 380 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: before they forced her into a white van. And Renee, 381 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: it's interesting the way they this all came to police 382 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: attention because everybody was handcuffed in the home and couldn't 383 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: get to the phone. As you say, police notice the 384 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: the vehicle, the white van, driving along and they get 385 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: up on the shoulder of I ten during a traffic backup. 386 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: WHOA that that certainly attracts the attention to the police 387 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: when you're up driving on the shoulder. Uh, nothing can 388 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: make them happier. As I recall, Renee, Um, you and 389 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: I were very dear friends with a motorman on the 390 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: a p D. Nothing makes them happier than a blatant 391 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: violation of traffic rules. It's an easier rest. Bam, they're 392 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: up on the shoulder. Of course they're gonna get pulled over, Renee. So, Nancy, 393 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: they weren't thinking. They're probably in panic mode and obviously, um, 394 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: the band gets stuck in the mud. What do we 395 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: know about the husband? I understand he had been holed 396 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: up in a motel for three or four days while 397 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: all this went down. And that's hn slide down, Nancy, 398 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: on the way to New Orleans or east bound, not 399 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: far from the New Orleans Airport. My I'm my dad. Well, 400 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: the good news for the husband is that the wife 401 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: lived to tell the tale because when these two adgets 402 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: go up on the shoulder of the road, the police 403 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: go after them, and they managed to save the wives 404 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: of life. But this has a twist to a Renee. 405 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: The two kidnapped. What became of them? Well, Nancy, they 406 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: were running in an effort to escape, they jumped into 407 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the inter Coastal Canal, which is not far from the roadway, 408 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: and they have both drowned. Now wait wait, wait, wait, 409 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: wait wait what they jump into the inter Coastal Waterway first, 410 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: they get the white van stuck in the mud as 411 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: they're trying to get away from police. They bail. They 412 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: leave the woman in their stripped naked handcuff beaten abes 413 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: threatened with rape. She's still in the van. They take 414 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: off running. They jump into the inter Coastal Waterway and 415 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: they both drowned. Did I am I getting this right? 416 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: You got it right, Nancy. You know what I see, Renee? 417 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: That millionaire Handley, he better get ready because I see 418 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: the possibility of two felony murder charges. He's about to 419 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 1: catch two felony murder charges. Now, I know what you're 420 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: gonna say. You're gonna say the death of the two 421 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: kidnappers have nothing to do with him. But he was 422 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: in the commission of a felony, which is kidnapping, and 423 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: two deaths occurred. You know the law his co conspirators. 424 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: That's like you and I go in a bank and 425 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: nobody's supposed to get hurt, and suddenly I pull a 426 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: gun and go crazy and you end up getting shot 427 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: by the security guard. I can be charged with your death, Renee, 428 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: because I'm in the commission of a felony and a 429 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: death occurred. I think this guy, I'm not sure about 430 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: the Napoleonic Code. I don't know what's going on in 431 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: New Orleans and in Louisiana with the law, but I 432 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: know this and the rest of the country. That's felony murder. 433 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Renee absolutely party to a crime. But Nancy, he has bond. Oh, 434 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, how did he make bond? No, no, no, 435 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: he hasn't made bond. I can't. I have not confirmed that. 436 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: But because he's charged with this kidnapping in this online 437 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: in person a nation, he has a two hundred and 438 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: sixty six thousand dollar bond which is obtainable, and he 439 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: could probably make it. That's nothing for him. That's twenty 440 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: six thousand dollars. Oh, he's gonna make it. That's twenty 441 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: six grand. That's twenty six large for him. He's out 442 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: of there. Uh uh if he can get a private 443 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: charter plane. Uh. Under other circumstances, he can certainly get one. 444 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: Now they better watch him draining his assets and hauling 445 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: booty out of the country right now. The judge was 446 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: wise enough to put a freeze on the assets or 447 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: restraining order on him anyway that he can't touch it. 448 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: But I don't put anything past this guy. Right now, 449 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: we're on it. A gorgeous young woman, Savannah gray Wind, 450 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: goes missing. She's twenty two years old at the time. 451 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: She goes missing. She is eight months pregnant, repeat, eight 452 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: months pregnant. Then kayakers discover Savannah's body wrapped in plastic, 453 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: caught in a limb in the water of the Red River. 454 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: Now we know, of course that that is no accident, 455 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: nor is it a suicide. She can't kill herself or 456 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: have an accident and then get wrapped in plastic and 457 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: thrown in the water, So this is clearly a homicide. Now, 458 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: to complicate matters, her two day old newborn baby girl 459 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: has been found in the possession of thirty eight year 460 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: old Brook Crews and her boyfriend William Hone. They insist 461 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: this is their baby. The case has now been um 462 00:30:52,320 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: titled womb Raider, capitalizing on a once secure phenomena of 463 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: people kidnapping a pregnant mom cutting open her stomach to 464 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: get the baby. That's right straight out to Alan Dee 465 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: on the story. I want to first talk about the woman. 466 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Savannah gray Wind, eight months 467 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: pregnant mom who's discovered in the Red River. What do 468 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: we know about how she goes missing and how she 469 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: was discovered? The two year old lived in the same 470 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: building as these people that you were talking about. The 471 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: people the baby was later found with. This is what 472 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: the suspects were telling the police. They say that gray 473 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: Wind came to their apartment and ask for help. She 474 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: wanted some tips on how to induce labor early, and 475 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: that she got that information. She left and then returned 476 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: a few hours later with the baby and gave them 477 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: the baby. So they say, this is our baby. By 478 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: so you're telling me that these two tell police that 479 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: gray Wind, who lived downstairs from them, came over and 480 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: was trying to self induce birth, or why in the 481 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: world would you do that? That she came back two 482 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: days later at three thirty a m. In the morning 483 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: and handed over her baby girl. But now we're getting 484 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: conflicting reports, Renee, that they're claiming that this is their baby. 485 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if they're claiming it's their biological baby 486 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: or not. But Renee, wouldn't it be a simple matter 487 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: of a medical examination to determine if brook Crews, the 488 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: upstairs neighbor, had given birth, well, obviously, Nancy, if she 489 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: gave birth to the baby naturally, or even uh, you know, uh, 490 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: if somebody had some kind of makeshift midwife operation. It 491 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: would look like one thing that autopsy would look could 492 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: be so shown. Renee, This woman that was Savannah gray 493 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: Win's neighbor says the baby is hers. Now, one option 494 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: is that she's claiming she gave birth to the baby, 495 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,479 Speaker 1: but pursue it to a court order. Wouldn't that be 496 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: a simple matter of a physical exam to determine whether 497 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: she had just given birth. That's a yes. No, yes, 498 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: that would be simple. Now there's the other option that 499 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: she could be claiming the mom handed over her newborn 500 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: baby and just gave it to her. That sounds a 501 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: little far fetched, doesn't it. That happens all the time, Nancy, 502 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: it does. I've never seen it happen, have you, people 503 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: giving their children up. Perhaps she didn't feel like she 504 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: could take care of just handing it over to your 505 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: next door neighbor, okay, and then going missing and you're 506 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: found in the Red River, Okay, all right. According to 507 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Savannah gray Wind's parents, she visited the neighbor for a 508 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: dress fitting, a dress fitting, and then suddenly quit answering 509 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: her phone. Allen, I don't know if you're familiar with 510 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: this phenomena of womb rating, but this is would not 511 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: be the first time it's ever happened. No, and typically 512 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 1: experts say it happens when someone had faked a pregnancy 513 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: and then wanted to prove that yes, they were pregnant, 514 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: and so they go and seek this. We've seen cases 515 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: where they find a very pregnant woman and they cut 516 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 1: the baby out just to put it the just be 517 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: blunt about it. And by the way, we have just 518 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 1: found out preliminary autopsy results have been handed over to investigators, 519 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: so very soon we should know if there was some 520 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: sort of impromptu surgery done to Miss graywin Well. A 521 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: case like this just went to trial about one year 522 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: ago in Colorado. That woman was accused of cutting an 523 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: unborn baby from the mom's womb, and the jury determined 524 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 1: that this attack on the mom, Michelle Wilkins occurred. I've 525 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: covered it several times to the point where I had 526 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: one case where the pregnant mom went online to buy 527 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 1: some used baby clothes and then she went to the 528 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: seller's home and the seller killed her and got the baby, 529 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: cut the baby out of her, and the mother actually 530 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: lived to tell the tale. So it is not unheard of, Renee, 531 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: this has happened before, not unheard of it all. Nancy. 532 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: Now this idea about a faked pregnancy. I don't know 533 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: if that's playing into this or not. But the baby 534 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: in this scenario lived, but Savannah gray Wind did not. 535 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what the problem is. Even with 536 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: this story of this couple, the next re neighbors that 537 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: she gave them the baby. Even if you choose to 538 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,400 Speaker 1: believe that, which I do not, the coincidence that she 539 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: ends up dead within the next couple of days is 540 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: just I can't buy that, No, Nancy, And it's going 541 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: to all come to light when the autopsy is revealed. 542 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: Take a listen to them in court, Mr Hayne, you're 543 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: being charged with three counts. Count one, s charged is 544 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: a double A felony punishable by up to late imprisonment 545 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: without parole. The state alleges that you conspired with Brooke 546 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: Lynn Cruise to murder Savannah Marie La Fontaine gray Wind. 547 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: Count two, as charged out, is a Class A felony 548 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 1: punishable by up to twenty years in jail and the fine. 549 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 1: The seat alledges that you conspired with Brooke Lynn Cruise 550 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: to kidnap the infant child of Savannah Marie La Fontaine Grayland. 551 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: And then finally, Count three, also an a felony punishable 552 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: by up to twenty years in jail and a dollar fine. 553 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: Excuse me. Count three is an a misdemeanor, possible by 554 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: up to one year in jail and a three thousand 555 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: dollar fine. The state alleges that you provided false information 556 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: to police during an investigation on a missing purchasing which 557 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: you knew to be false and materially misled the investigation. 558 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: Do you understand the charges as I've had them, as 559 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: well as the maximum possible penalty. Thank you, Thank you, 560 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: Mr Him. Because two of these charges are felonies, we 561 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: will not take Please for me today whether this matter 562 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,919 Speaker 1: will be set on for a preliminary here that will 563 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: be a tool for sure at nine in the morning. 564 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,360 Speaker 1: I've read your application for a public defender, Sir that 565 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: you all unemployed, you do qualify for a public defender. 566 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: Mr Stormy Vickers will be appointed to represent you. To 567 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 1: get his card from the deputy there the jail, you 568 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: should make arrangements to contact him at your earlious convenience. 569 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: That is your obligation to find from lastly today was 570 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: martious We need to make a decision about bail. Do 571 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,839 Speaker 1: you have a recommendation for the court yes, the state 572 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 1: is aware of a prayer child neglect, an abuse a 573 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: B flony and two thousand twelve out of Grand Forks County. 574 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: Also in two thousand eleven possession of drug paraphnalia, and 575 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: finally in two thousands sixteen simple assault domestic violence UM. 576 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: As indicated in the charging document, the state alleges that 577 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Mr Hayne was uncooperative and in fact misled the investigation. 578 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: In addition, the state has information that there were UH 579 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: Internet searches that would lead a reasonable person to believe 580 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: that they were looking at staying somewhere else. They were 581 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 1: searches for things like travelocity and and different locations in 582 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: which to stay elsewhere. Based on that information, the state 583 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: is asking for two million dollars cash only. Mr hanis 584 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: to the issue of barriers like, yeah, million dollar cash only. 585 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: Is UH set at such a high level to be unattainable? UM, 586 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: I would request that we do something along the lines of, 587 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: you know, being able to use avail lines. Man, if 588 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: that is a possibility, if you, I don't know that 589 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: that possibility to me, But I know that two million 590 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: is unattainable for any regular person. That's not reasonable, man, 591 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: It's martius as your's a cash order recommendations this time 592 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: I well said there are two million dollars cash only. 593 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: I would suggest you talked it over with your attorney 594 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,960 Speaker 1: and build a letter back before this court if you 595 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: wish to ad anything else that concludes an again any 596 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: back in court on Attwober of four, two thousand seven, 597 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: Team at ninety and curse stay left Coda versus Brooke 598 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,399 Speaker 1: when cruise zero mine two thou sevent CR three six 599 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: seven three his cruise appears baery of my TV from 600 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: the Cans County jewel was Martinez is here on behalf 601 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 1: of the state those cruise Were you present in the 602 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: room there when the video was played? In your rights? 603 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: Will reb do yes? We under stay on those rights, Yes, sir, 604 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: thank you. Um it was Martinus rescue to read the 605 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: charges and abilities associated with them please and you'rena this information. 606 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 1: We have the same issue. Will be filing an amended 607 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: information removing some of the language. It does not change 608 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: the level offense and I will read the full two 609 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: will language as it will be following the amendment. This 610 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: craizy be in charge with three counts. The first one 611 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 1: is conspiracy to commit murder The state alleges that you 612 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: conspired with William Henry Hayne to murder Savannah Marie la 613 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,240 Speaker 1: Fontaine gray Wind, as charged out, this is a Class 614 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 1: double A felony punishable by life imprisonment with pearl. Count 615 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: two conspiracy to commit kidnapping. The state alleges that you 616 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,719 Speaker 1: conspired with William Henry Hayne to kidnap the infant child 617 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: of Savannah Marie Lafontaine gray Wind, as charged out, this 618 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: is a Class A falty punishable by up to twenty 619 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: in jail and a twenty dollar fine. And finally, count 620 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: three false information a law enforcement as charged out as 621 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: a pas am demeanor carnish balled by up to one 622 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: year in jail and the three thousand dollar fine. Do 623 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: you understand the charges as I've read them, as well 624 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: as the maximum possible penalty. Man, Thank you. We will 625 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: not take please for me today whereas cruise, but rather 626 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: the matter will be sent on for periminarly here before 627 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 1: Judge Frank Racy that will take place on September two 628 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 1: thousand seventeen at one thirty in the afternoon. I led 629 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,600 Speaker 1: your application for a public defender, and I find what 630 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: you qualify. I'm appointing Mr Monty Mertz to appoints you 631 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 1: represents you in this may. Please give his card from 632 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: the deputy there in the jail and make contact with 633 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 1: mister Mertz. Um. There's Martinis, do you have a bill recommendation? 634 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 1: Yes yet know we're aware of some bad checks. It 635 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: looks like back in the early two thousands, and also 636 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,600 Speaker 1: an assault that occurred over in Minnesota that ultimately conditions 637 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,760 Speaker 1: were matt and the charge was dismissed. Um. Same information 638 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: applies here. We believe that there were efforts to look 639 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: for at place to take flight, and so the state 640 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: is asking for two million dollars cash only. There's cruise 641 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 1: anything you wish to have on the issue of bail 642 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,040 Speaker 1: good sir, thank you. We'll set two million dollars cash 643 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: those times. Please remember my admilation and suggest Martin that 644 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: you get in touch with mister Morts at your early convenience. 645 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 1: That's all for today, thank you. So bell is that 646 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: two million dollars each? Four thirty eight year old brook 647 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: Lynn Cruz her boyfriend thirty two year old William Henry Hone, 648 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,719 Speaker 1: both charged with conspiracy to commit murder. The case is 649 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 1: being investigated in two states. And both Fargo, where Savannah disappeared, 650 00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: and in Cass County, Minnesota, where her body was found 651 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: in a river. Now, let's hear a part of the 652 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: police news conference, starting first with Fargo Police Chief Dave Todd. 653 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,879 Speaker 1: Savannah was a victim of a cruel and vicious act 654 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,360 Speaker 1: of depravity. Lieutenant Jason Nelson is here to answer questions 655 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: regarding the investigation. I will be very limited in what 656 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: I can answer, but I am willing to take some questions. 657 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: What brought you to the farm deady to bake SEARCHERSI 658 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: ultaneously started about the question was what brought us to 659 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: the farmstead? UM that may be a crime scene? Uh, 660 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: that area was being searched by citizens after we had 661 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: asked for help. We had no indication through the investigation 662 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,480 Speaker 1: that that maybe crime scene, but through searchers were there, 663 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,320 Speaker 1: they called with some suspicious items and that's what prompted 664 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 1: Clay County to respond to that area. I'm the question 665 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: was what were the suspicious items. I'm not going to 666 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: get into that scene about the dead. The question is 667 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 1: is if this area was the scene of Savannah's death. 668 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: I can't answer that at this time. UM currently B 669 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: C A and Clay County and Fargo PD are working 670 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: together to try to determine that is the crime fetal abduction? 671 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: What was the natural earth? Uh? The question was was 672 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: this natural birth or fetal abduction? Again? UM, I can't 673 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: get into that because of an investigation. But else, do 674 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: you believe there are any other suspects? Are you? Will 675 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: you bring any other people in involve Your question was 676 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,919 Speaker 1: do we believe there's any other suspects? At this point, 677 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: we have no indication that there's any other suspects involved 678 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: in this crime. Is there any indication from the state 679 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: of the vigage body that the Davy had been mad 680 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: by a cesarrean session? Uh? The question was whether or 681 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: not the baby was delivered via C section. Um. At 682 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: this point I can't comment on that. The Savannah is 683 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: UH down in St. Paul at this time awaiting an autopsy. 684 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'll turn it back over to the Chief 685 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 1: Chief birge Berdick. One last thing, I for a matter 686 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: of perspective, you you have seen Lieutenant Nelson here be 687 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: rather circumspect about the facts he's sharing with you. I 688 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: need you to understand that there's a reason for that, 689 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: which is under the professional rules for prosecutors, we need 690 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: to be very careful about sharing information with the public 691 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: other than those things that are required to bring the 692 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:46,319 Speaker 1: case to the courtroom. H and extrajudicial statements are are discouraged. 693 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: We passed that along to the police department as well, 694 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: because that's our responsibility to do it. So there are 695 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: things that I know that they would like to share, 696 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: rich view, and things that you would like to know, 697 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: if that's understandable. But there are reasons why we were 698 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: careful about what we share at this point. And I 699 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: wanted you to understand that. Thank you, brother Prepas are dying. 700 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: Like I say, what we know. We're from that team 701 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 1: that we're searching that when they went to the house, 702 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,759 Speaker 1: they saw some things that they thought was very very 703 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 1: suspicious and that's what brought us there. And and I 704 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: want the b C either. We also know that hone, 705 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: the man implicated in this, tells cops he comes home 706 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: to find his girlfriend Cruise cleaning up blood in their 707 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: bathroom that she says, this is our baby, this is 708 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:48,000 Speaker 1: our family, and shows him the baby girl. Now wait 709 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: a minute, Renee, so he's now pointing the finger at her. 710 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: The two are clearly turning on each other. He's laying 711 00:46:55,520 --> 00:47:00,080 Speaker 1: all the blame on the girlfriend, Brook Cruise, absolutely and 712 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: even tells the bloody details like you didn't know anything 713 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,439 Speaker 1: about it. So you know what I always like, Renee, 714 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,000 Speaker 1: is when you get co defendants, unless you're seeking the 715 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 1: death penalty and they've got to be tried separately, I 716 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,719 Speaker 1: like trying them together and letting the jury just look 717 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: at them sitting there staring at each other at the 718 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,040 Speaker 1: same council table, just you know, you can feel the hatred, 719 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: the seething animosity in the courtroom. And then of course 720 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,439 Speaker 1: you know they're trying to blame each other in front 721 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,959 Speaker 1: of the jury. I say, let them go to trial 722 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: and stew in the same pot together, Renee. Prosecutor just 723 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,760 Speaker 1: puts it out there, and then the defense attorneys essentially 724 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: make the case for the state. Another thing, Renee, and 725 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: if they put any moms on this jury, because according 726 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,920 Speaker 1: to this couple, the boyfriend and the woman say that 727 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: they teach her. They teach Savannah Graywin how to self 728 00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,160 Speaker 1: induce birth by breaking her own water, I can only 729 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: imagine how they did that. You really think anybody on 730 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,840 Speaker 1: a jury is gonna believe that, Renee Nancy Again, it 731 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: all is going to go back to the autopsy. If 732 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,360 Speaker 1: somebody just split her throat and then cut her belly 733 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 1: open and pull the baby out, that's gonna be hard 734 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: to explain once. They probably didn't count on the body 735 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: being discovered, oh you know it the way that it 736 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: was so um practically hermetically sealed and thrown into the 737 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: Red River. Okay, they have had their first appearance in 738 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: court and we are waiting to determine whether or not 739 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: the state will seek the death penalty. Nancy Grace Crime 740 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,439 Speaker 1: Story is signing off Goodbye friend,