1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: The second hour of play in Box starts right now, 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: and as you know, we've discussed frequently here on the 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: show the future of all things Trump and the law. 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: He has multiple criminal indictments outstanding at this point, and 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 2: it seems that some of those trials, or one or 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: two of those trials may actually go forward before the election. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: To talk to Julie Kelly about that in a little bit, 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: but there is currently a trial underway in New York City. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: Former President Trump is on trial in a two hundred 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: and fifty million dollar lawsuit, and he has also been 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: This was the breaking news. I think that there's a 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: whole segment of Democrats for whom watching Trump on trial 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: is this this skilty pleasure. 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: They just love the idea of. 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Him being in a courtroom and being harassed and having 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: to go through all of this. But he was just 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: fined ten thousand dollars play for violating by this judge 20 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: Angern we all know is clearly an anti Trump fanatic. 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 2: This is in a civil trial, so he can't he 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 2: can't lock him up, but well maybe for contempt. But 23 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: he's already finned him ten thousand dollars. And this is 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: because the judge says that Trump referred disparagingly to a 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: law clerk during making a statement outside the court. I 26 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: think Trump is saying he was actually talking about Michael Cohen, 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: whom I believe he's allowed, certainly allowed to disparage Michael Cohen. 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 3: He's done playing about who the insult is directed to. 29 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: Is a very Trump, a very Trump, very Trump thing. 30 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 3: He's like, that's not who I was making fun of. 31 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 3: I was making fun of another person. 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: So it is two hundred fifty. 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 2: Million dollars lawsuits underway. There are a few things here 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: that I think are worth our time, worth talking about 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: on the civil trial front. First of all, this is 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: all part of the same strategy as the criminal trials, 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: which is to wear down Trump financially and just in 38 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: terms of his time. Every minute that he spends on 39 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: the phone with his lawyers or you know, in meetings 40 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: with his lawyers talking about this civil trial is time 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: and money not spent running for president of the United 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: States again. 43 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: And they know that. 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: There's also the possible So this is a process. Is 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: the punishment component play. There's also the the reality here 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: that too if it is a very large settlement against Trump, 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, even for Trump, if you start to see 48 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: there's things it's two hundred fifty million dollars lawsuit, you 49 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: start to see some big numbers that maybe come out 50 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: of this. I mean, I think he lost a five 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: million dollar lawsuit to Egene Carroll, right, that was that 52 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: was the DEAFA, that was a heat for him defaming 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: her and in the rape allegation, and so he lost 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: five million dollars judgment there. He is in a two 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: hundred fifty million dollar lawsuit here. I think they're trying 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: to just drain Trump resources in every way possible. It's 57 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: good politics, unfortunately, which is very sad to say for 58 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: Leticia James, the Attorney General of New York and the 59 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: various people involved in this in this civil trial. But 60 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: also I think it just goes to show it's yet 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 2: another abuse of the law. Donald Trump is being dragged 62 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: into court to answer for defrauding banks who never claimed 63 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: there they were defrauded, who didn't lose anything, based on 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: absurd counter valuations of Trump assets from people that are 65 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: bringing these charges that wouldn't hold up in any realistic world. 66 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 2: I mean I guess that's part of why Trump is 67 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 2: looking forward maybe to testifying, and I would assume he's 68 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: looking forward to bea He's Trump on Monday because he 69 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: gets to just hammer away it. What a sham this 70 00:03:59,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: whole thing is. 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: Yes, And I also think it's an early preview buck 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: for what might happen in the event that we get 73 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 3: the trial in DC in March of next year. The 74 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: example I keep using here because I do think it 75 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: makes it registers with a lot of people is I 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 3: just think Democrats are the equivalent of the guy who 77 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 3: gets married because he thinks it's going to solve all 78 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: of his relationship issues, and then at some point there's 79 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: a wedding date set and it just keeps getting closer 80 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: and closer, and there is no resolution going to happen 81 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: other than it's the wedding date is not going away. 82 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: And so I don't know, if you've been paying attention, they're. 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: Now discussing should they or should they not carry this 84 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 3: live every day because the general rule in federal district 85 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: court is you do not carry any camera vers version 86 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 3: of the video version of the of the trial. And 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: right now you're even seeing this a little bit in 88 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: New York Buck, because the only evidence we really have 89 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: of Trump on the stand is the court sketches and 90 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: then whatever somebody tweets out from inside of the courtroom. 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: We're going to have to have a big discussion on 92 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: this show. What do we do when they're in March 93 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: if they go to trial and they're trying to convict 94 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: President Trump of felonies and he is the Republican nominee 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: for President of the United States, which is you would 96 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: have to bet would be the case right now? How 97 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: much of this trial would we cover if it's going 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: on live every day while we're on the air. I 99 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: don't think there would have been a trial that would 100 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 3: receive this level of attention since OJ and you know, 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 3: we kind of got a preview of this with Fox News, 102 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 3: for instance, carried a lot of the Murdoch trial, and 103 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 3: they carried a lot of the Johnny Depp trial, and 104 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 3: the ratings were fabulous for them, or they wouldn't have 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: been carrying it. So we'll be off the charts in 106 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 3: terms of the amount of interest and attention that this 107 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 3: will receive. And so the first question that's going to 108 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 3: have to be resolved is the one that they're now 109 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 3: debating in New York, what are the consequences going to 110 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: be for Trump when he violates the gag order? Because 111 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: he's going to do it all the time. 112 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: Here is Eric. 113 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: Holder, former Obama administration Attorney General. This is cut fifteen, saying, look, 114 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 2: if it were not Trump, jail would be a possibility. 115 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 2: But they're not throwing Trump in jail play it would. 116 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: A judge actually do that which would happen to a 117 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: normal person, and put somebody in jail for violating in 118 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 4: order not to a gag order. I suspect that's not 119 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 4: likely to happen with this defendant, but any other defendant 120 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 4: would probably be facing You don't. 121 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 3: Think that she would put him in jail, or that 122 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: they would decide to put him in jail ultimately, I. 123 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 4: Just don't think so. I mean, I think there are 124 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 4: a number of things. You put monetary fines on him, 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: as the judge did in New York, perhaps restrict ability 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 4: to use truth, social you know a number of things. 127 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 4: I try to be as creative as possible if I 128 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: were the judge, but I'd be extremely reluctant to take 129 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: a person who's a former president, the leading candidate, one 130 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: of our major parties and actually put him in jail. 131 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 2: Clay, this is to the point you are making. I 132 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: think that that now that Democrats are right on the 133 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 2: edge here of seeing they've been told that Trump is 134 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: going to prison. They've been told that Trump is going 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: to be in handcuffs. This has been seven years in 136 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: the making. Okay, this has been the belief all along. 137 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: If you're an MSNBC faithful watcher, you think Trump is. 138 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: Going to prison. 139 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: But now some of the people who actually are in 140 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: the Democrat power circles. Now now some of the deciders 141 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: around this, I think are starting to recognize what would 142 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: that actually do to the What are the optics on this? 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: How does that look in an election year? 144 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: You know. 145 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 2: I think their belief up to this point has largely 146 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: been if Trump is in hand cuffs and humiliated, independent voters, 147 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: swing voters, etc. Will flee from him, and therefore Joe 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: Biden will win. I remember we've said that's their belief. 149 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: But they may be miscalculating. I do think there are 150 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: some and I think Eric Holder is giving some voice 151 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: to this who think that may be a miscalculation. 152 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you have to start to break 153 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 3: this down in so many different levels. 154 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: And the first is I think if you had told. 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Democrats when did this all start when they rated mar 156 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: A Lago for the first time in was that like 157 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: August of twenty two, Buck, that the first mar A 158 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: Lago rate happened? 159 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: Yep. 160 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: Basically you've seen every time they've upped the law the 161 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: air on Trump, Republicans have tended to rally around Trump more. 162 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: But what's interesting is Independents haven't abandoned him, and there 163 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: hasn't been that similar rallying force around Joe Biden. I 164 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 3: think as we sit here basically a year and a 165 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 3: week until the twenty twenty four elections arise, they spent 166 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: twenty five million dollars in the toss up states the 167 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 3: swing states on Joe Biden advertisements, and his numbers actually 168 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: went down. 169 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: Buck. 170 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: They have hammered Trump and I think gotten basically every 171 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 3: benefit that they could possibly get from the lawfair that 172 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: they brought to bear against Trump so far and hasn't 173 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: dented him at all. And that's why I'm increasingly of 174 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: the opinion and maybe I'm going to be wrong, because 175 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: certainly a lot can change, but I just don't think 176 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: people are going to move off of where they are 177 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: right now. Whatever you think of Trump, it's all baked in. 178 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: Whatever you think of Biden, it's all baked in what 179 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: could either man do that would make you suddenly think, Hey, 180 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: maybe my perceptions of either of these guys is wrong. 181 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 3: We've never really had a race like this in any 182 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: of our life, where you effectively have two former presidents 183 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 3: that everybody has seen for years, that everybody knows. 184 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: I just don't think there's very. 185 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 3: Many movable people, and that's starting to get I think 186 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: the Biden people nervous because they thought no way Trump 187 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 3: could win. 188 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: I also believe that an unexpected component of how all 189 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: of this is playing out is that not only do 190 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 2: you have the former president leading Republican presidential contender now 191 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: facing he's in the middle of a civil trial, facing 192 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: four felony criminal indictments in different jurisdictions, but you have 193 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: that going on with a Democrat president who, to anyone 194 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: who is being even remotely honest, is clearly corrupt, and 195 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: whose family was clearly engaged in egregious influence pedaling, money laundering, 196 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: tax evasion, etc. 197 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: Etc. 198 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 2: And the only question is you know to what extent 199 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: it's provable that Joe Biden himself was connected into that 200 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: versus Joe Biden was used by family members to that end. 201 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, It'd be one thing 202 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: if you had a Democrat in office who no corruption. 203 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 2: To see here, you know, maybe they've covered it up 204 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: really well. We have a clearly corrupt Joe Biden with 205 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: a DOJ that is obviously going after his political opponents. 206 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 207 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 2: That I think makes it look even worse than it 208 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: would otherwise. 209 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: I think that's a big point here, because what's changed 210 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: since twenty twenty, Well, the COVID craziness is gone, which 211 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 3: certainly helped Joe Biden. Joe Biden has gotten mentally and 212 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: physically weaker, But I think the biggest change is the 213 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 3: favorability ratings of Joe Biden have collapsed. If you compare 214 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty Trump v. 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I also 247 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: think you have to talk about the flip side. Trump 248 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: has a lot of a high level of lack of favorability, right. 249 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: That is, there are a lot of people who do 250 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 3: not like Donald Trump, but there are also many people 251 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: who asolutely adore him. If we let's take let's take 252 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: unfavorables off the board, that is, people who are dislike 253 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: Biden and or dislike Trump. What do you think Trump's 254 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: favorable versus Biden's favorable is twenty. 255 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: To one, thirty to one. 256 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 3: I don't know that anybody is actually favorable for Biden. 257 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: Now they'll vote for him. But this comes back to 258 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: the question of I don't remember ever seeing somebody walking 259 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: around in a Joe Biden hat. I've never seen anybody 260 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: with like a Joe Biden T shirt. There isn't anybody 261 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 3: who's actually, I would argue, a fan of Biden. They're 262 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 3: an anti fan of Trump. And I do think if 263 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: Biden now has high lack of favorability too, then that 264 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: starts to factor in and become kind of an interesting 265 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: thing to analyze as well. 266 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but the polls basically show them high, right, 267 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he can say this poll or that pole, 268 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: so whatever the you know, you can love Trump ten 269 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: out of ten, you only. 270 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: Get to vote once. 271 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 2: Well at least that's the way. 272 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: But my theory is if you love someone, you will 273 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: show up to go vote. I think not liking Trump 274 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: is harder to be a motivating factor when you also 275 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: don't like Biden. 276 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I. 277 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: Don't think people really liked Biden in twenty twenty. I 278 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: know that you talk about the avuncular grandpa thing and 279 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: all that, but nobody was like I think that. I 280 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 2: think that he didn't have merch in twenty twenty. 281 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: No, No, but I think people didn't hate Biden or 282 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: have a record of him doing an awful job now 283 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: they do. 284 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. 285 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: I don't know that people really hate Biden now who 286 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: didn't hate him before. I think that people view him 287 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: as kind of Biden's always just been around and along 288 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: for the ride, you know. 289 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 3: I think that I think there were a lot of 290 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: people who bought into I'll bring back normalcy, I'll get 291 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 3: everything like because I think there's a huge number of 292 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: people that are not political and are just like do 293 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: just I don't want to be worried about things on 294 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: a day to day basis. And I think they bought 295 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: in and COVID helped to the idea that Biden would 296 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: restore normalcy. And I think the fact that his favorability 297 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 3: remember pre again it's polling, but pre Afghanistan, Biden had 298 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: a positive rating in the United States as a whole. 299 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: His favorability rating now he is only Jimmy Carter at 300 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: this stage in his presidency is lower in favorability than 301 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 3: Joe Biden. 302 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: I still think that there's a these things going waves 303 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: and they haven't yet. The full scale propaganda campaign for 304 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: Biden twenty twenty four has not started yet. And you know, 305 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: so whatever the numbers are now, clay. They're going to 306 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: have a multi billion dollar media apparatus and social media 307 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: outreach campaign and all this other stuff that'll be a 308 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 2: commination of you know, Trump is evil and you know 309 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 2: Biden did this good thing and that good thing, and 310 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: it'll be a lot of lies, but who cares. The 311 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: point is they're going to run all this stuff, and 312 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 2: so that I mean to me, it's just the numbers 313 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: right now are either can't you You can't really tell 314 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: anything about what the enthusiasm is because they haven't run 315 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: the playbook yet, you know they they haven't. 316 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: I get it. 317 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: My theory on it is just there aren't that many 318 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 3: people who can be moved. 319 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: But that's always that's always been the case, right, Like 320 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: we've always known it's only going to be five or 321 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: six states that matter. 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Now check out her 350 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: substack Declassified with Julie Kelly and now book on January sixth, 351 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: because you want to really deep dive into everything that 352 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: happened that day and the aftermath of it. Julie, appreciate 353 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 2: you being here. As always. Let's start with Judge Chuckkins's latest. 354 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 2: We were just talking at the top of the hour 355 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 2: about a Trump gag order in the New York civil 356 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: trial that he is now according to the judge, he 357 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: has violated, has a ten thousand dollars fine and says 358 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: things will get worse. There is in the DC criminal 359 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: trial relating to election twenty twenty and January sixth stuff. 360 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: Judge Chuckkin also had a gag order but then removed it, 361 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: but then reinstated it or something. Bring us up to 362 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 2: speed here, Julie. 363 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 5: Right, So Judge chuck Kin and I have a piece 364 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: up on my subject. I was actually in the court 365 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 5: room on October sixteenth as she heard both sides debate. 366 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 5: She was very harsh and critical and confrontational with of 367 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 5: course Trump's defense lawyer, but very accommodating to the government. 368 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: So she did issue this three page really flimsy gag order. 369 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 5: You think for a non precedented ruling of this nature 370 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 5: that it would be really substantive and cite case saw. 371 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 5: That's because it's not the situation at all. So of 372 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 5: course Trump's lawyers immediately filed a notice of appeal asking 373 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 5: her to temporarily stay, which means holds her gag order. 374 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 5: She did that, but then at the government's behest she 375 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 5: lifted her temporary holds, citing his tweet or his post 376 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 5: about Mark Meadows. He's not supposed to make any public 377 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 5: statements about for reasonably foreseeable witnesses. So this is dozens 378 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 5: of people that that was somehow in violation of her 379 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 5: gag order, that there was evidence that he would not 380 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 5: abide by even the basic contours of it. So she 381 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 5: reinstated it where it will remain in place until his 382 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 5: appeal is her bia a three judge panel of the 383 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 5: DC Circuit. 384 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 3: So, Julie, what we've seen, and Buck and I were 385 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 3: just talking about this from the New York City Court 386 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 3: is the we're just gonna find Trump. It appears, you know, 387 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: five thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, and those are relatively 388 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: minor inconveniences to Trump. 389 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: In some way. 390 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: I mean he can even spend it as I'll gladly 391 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: pay fifteen twenty thousand dollars whatever it is to be 392 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 3: able to say exactly what I think. We played Eric 393 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 3: Holder as well saying hey, I don't think you could 394 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: ever put Trump in jail over contempt of courtde What 395 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: do you think Chuckkin would do? Because if we're all 396 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: fighting over oh, she's gonna find him twenty thousand dollars 397 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: because he doesn't like she doesn't like some truth social post, 398 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 3: I think he would probably be like, yeah, you know, 399 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: I'll pay, and he can appeal and see whether or 400 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: not that's justified, and it can go on to the court. 401 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: But if it's just money, I don't feel like this 402 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 3: battle is as significant as it would be if there 403 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,439 Speaker 3: was any sort of potential arrest or imprisonment for violating this. 404 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 3: What sense do you get about how ballsy'll you who's 405 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 3: a lack of a better term, but how risk willing 406 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 3: to take? I think Baldy's probably the best judge chuck 407 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 3: Kin would actually be to put a former president behind 408 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: bars because he violated a gag order. 409 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 5: I mean, look, she's Balsley, she is Balsy. She is 410 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 5: highly partisan. She was appointed by Obama. I have a 411 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 5: lengthy piece to at real clear investigation I court through 412 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 5: thousands of pages. I think we talked about this of 413 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 5: court transcripts where she's made inflammatory prejudicial comments about Donald 414 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 5: Trump and his supporters. So this case should be nowhere 415 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 5: near Tianya chuck him, but here we are. I think 416 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,640 Speaker 5: she sort of relishes the spotlight. She's a former dancer. 417 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 5: She came to the States from Jamaica to be a 418 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 5: performer that didn't work out. Somehow, shtall a law degree 419 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 5: and ended up on one of the most powerful federal 420 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 5: courts in the country. So I could easily see her 421 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 5: sort of jumping over the fine options and doing something 422 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 5: even like home detention, which is a consequence that they 423 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 5: discussed in the court hearing. At the government's behest Molly Gaston, 424 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 5: who is the assistant US Attorney, walked through number of 425 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 5: things that she could impose if Trump violated this gag order, 426 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 5: and certainly imprisonment would be one of them if he 427 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 5: violated it once or twice, And to your point, saying, well, 428 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 5: the find doesn't matter. He's very wealthy. He doesn't care 429 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 5: if he's buying ten thousand or fifty thousand dollars. We 430 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 5: need to do something more severe, and that would justify 431 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 5: something like home detention or curfew or certainly incarceration. 432 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 3: Okay, sorry to cut you off, Julie, but if I'm 433 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: advising Trump, then I am like, you want to get 434 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: arrested for saying something in advance of this trial. I 435 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 3: can't think of anything that would be better for Trump 436 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 3: than if they said, hey, you can't leave mar A 437 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 3: Lago that he just leaves mar A Lagos. 438 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: Say Clay, he's if they give him home detention, you 439 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 2: know what he's going to do, not to detain himself at home, right, Julie, 440 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 2: I mean, and then what happened? 441 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: So that's my point. 442 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: I mean he I almost think, Julie, the best possible 443 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: thing he could do is keep pushing this because if 444 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 3: she arrested him before the trial even started, it helps 445 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: his kangaroo court argument immensely to say, yeah, they tried 446 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 3: to convict me of a felony. The judge put me 447 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 3: in jail before it even started. I think this would 448 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: blow up in her face massively. 449 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 5: I think so too. And keep in mind, no matter 450 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 5: how the media describes this as a narrow gag order, 451 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 5: is just anything but fucking clay. This gag order is 452 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 5: public statements. It's not even criticism, it's not name calling, 453 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 5: it's not threat based. She is banning him for making 454 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 5: public statements about Jack Smith and his team. But also, 455 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 5: as I said, what she called reasonably foreseeable witnesses. So 456 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 5: take this as an example. You've got former Attorney General 457 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 5: Bill bar doing nothing but this non stop tour, this 458 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 5: smear campaign against Donald Trump, making all these accusations about him. 459 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 5: Get Trump cannot respond because William Barr, the government says, 460 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 5: could be a government witness in the trial. Now, of 461 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 5: course that's absurd. Bill Barr is never going to take 462 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 5: the stand in this trial, and he would never subject 463 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 5: himself to that. He'll have all sorts of options, executive privilege, 464 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 5: possibly five a a lot of options to stay off 465 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 5: the stand. The government is not going to call one 466 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 5: of the most hated attorney generals by Democrats to have 467 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 5: them testify before DC jury. But yet this is the 468 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 5: sort of double standards that they're setting up. Bill Barr 469 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: can say whatever he wants and Donald Trump can't respond. 470 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 5: So to your point, even if he said something to 471 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 5: contradict Bill Barr and the accusations that he's making on 472 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 5: Fox News or in these speeches that he's given. Then 473 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 5: you just make a statement, and then what is she 474 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 5: going to do? She will help expose the folly, the absurdity, 475 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 5: the unconstitutional nature of her gag order. So I would 476 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,719 Speaker 5: certainly encourage it. 477 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: Julie, what do you think? 478 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: I mean, because you've been following this closely, and you've 479 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: been in the courtrooms, and this has been something that 480 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 2: you've you've been on in a way that you know, 481 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: very few others, if any others, have been so closely 482 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 2: attuned to. 483 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: What do you think. 484 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: Jack Smith in the in the DC trial presided every 485 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 2: by Chuckkin, what is the end state that he is 486 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 2: really going for? Is it just a conviction? And then 487 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't really think beyond what happens there 488 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: or you know, look like, what does he think he 489 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: can get out of all of this? 490 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 5: I mean, I think he just wants quick convictions. I 491 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: am still not one hundred percent satisfied that he's not 492 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 5: going to bring superseding indictment. I know you guys and 493 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: I have talked about that. 494 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, But but Julie I mean in terms of punishment, like 495 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 2: is it just to get the conviction, and then even 496 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: if there's no punishment, he doesn't really care because it's 497 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: about branding Trump a felon. Or do you think that 498 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: that special counsel actually wants to try to incarcerate him? 499 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 5: No, I think Jack Smith absolutely wants to incarcerate him. 500 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 5: Let's talk quickly about the timeline. The trial is supposed 501 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 5: to start March fourth. They said this trial to be 502 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 5: four to six weeks. That puts us towards the middle 503 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: perhaps end of April. He will be quickly convicted by 504 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 5: a DC jury on these four really vague counts, including 505 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 5: obstruction of an official proceeding. After a defendant is convicted, 506 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 5: it's two to three months before they're sentenced, so then 507 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 5: you bring the sentencing towards let the end of June 508 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 5: early July. Trump a defendant cannot appeal until he is sentenced, 509 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 5: so during that timeline he can't really even appeal anything. 510 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 5: Now there might be some special considerations for him, but 511 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 5: typically you cannot appeal until you're sentenced, so he wouldn't 512 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 5: even be able to mitigate any of this legal disaster 513 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 5: until the summertime. But absolutely. They want Trump behind bars, 514 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 5: and so does Tanya Chutkins. She suggested it once in 515 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 5: court to a January sixth defendant that making a comment 516 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 5: that Trump is still a free man and not behind bars. 517 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 5: So this is a collaborative effort. And you know, I 518 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: know people don't want to think that this is really happening. 519 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 5: But this is why her trial is taking her criminal 520 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: trial is taking place first, is because this will be 521 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 5: the quickest conviction, a quicker sentencing to try to figure 522 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 5: out how to get him in jail before the election day. 523 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: Julie, you have covered January sixth, unlike almost everybody in 524 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: terms of the political prosecutions that have fallen. 525 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: It, but followed it. 526 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 3: What did you think of the Jabal Bowman when they 527 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 3: finally come out with the video of him removing the 528 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 3: signs His excuse that he was just trying to open 529 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 3: a door, that's clearly not true. If Jamal Bowman were 530 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 3: a Republican based on what you saw for January sixth, 531 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: what would have happened to him compared to being a Democrat? 532 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 5: I mean, he very well he would have been charged 533 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 5: with this fifteen twelve C to two obstruction of an 534 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 5: official proceeding, which is a very vaguest post and run law. 535 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,479 Speaker 5: At more than three hundred defense including Trump, has been 536 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 5: charged with via this DOJ, and it's a very vague law. 537 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 5: All it says is anyone who attempts to or does 538 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 5: obstruct an official proceeding is guilty of this felony count 539 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 5: punishable by up to twenty years in prison. So he 540 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 5: certainly it was clear in that video that he was 541 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 5: trying to set off some alarm, whether it was the 542 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: door alarms when that didn't work in the fire alarms. 543 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 5: He also so he should have been charged with obstruction 544 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 5: of an official proceeding. Then he should have been charged 545 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 5: with interfering with law enforcement because as the Affidavid and 546 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 5: other witnesses said, he was near Capitol police as they 547 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 5: were trying to evacuate the building. He never went to 548 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 5: them and said, hey, by the way, I'm the one 549 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 5: who pulled this fire alarm. Also obstruction of an investigation, 550 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 5: obstructing Congress. He should have been slept with numerous offenses, 551 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 5: not a local misdemeanor. He wasn't even charged with a 552 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 5: federal misdemeanor. He charged with a local misdemeanor app on 553 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 5: the wrist. He'll be able to do it again. And 554 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 5: you know, I just heard from so many J sixers 555 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 5: after that whole incident. They're just infuriated because the double standard. 556 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 5: It's almost like they shove it in their face because 557 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 5: they know that there's nothing that can be done. The 558 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 5: DOJ Matthew Graves and DCU as a train won't be 559 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 5: investigating Jamal Bowman. I asked them they wouldn't confirm or 560 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 5: deny any investigation. They won't. This will be swept under 561 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 5: the rug and just added to the long long list 562 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 5: of double standard of justice for Democrats versus Republicans. 563 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 2: Declassified on substack is where you can follow Julie Kelly's work. 564 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 2: Julie as always appreciate you being here. 565 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 5: Thanks guys, Happy Halloween. 566 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: Happy Halloween. 567 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 3: I heard, by the way, Julie is also a anti 568 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: Halloween person like you buck Well. 569 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: Julie's very smart and very wise, so I can't say 570 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: this surprises me at all. I'm not ady Halloween for kids, 571 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: just to be clear, all right, you know, just to 572 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: throw that out there, I'm gonna have to show up 573 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 2: at Clay's Halloween party next year with the best costume 574 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 2: of anyone that's my name. 575 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: When's the last time you dressed up in a costume? 576 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, i'd have my twenties probably, Okay, maybe, 577 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 3: but you did as an adult, as a single adult, 578 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: like living in DC, because Georgetown has one of the 579 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: best halloweens anywhere in the country. I mean, I wanted 580 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 3: to see, you know what, what the lady's costumes were. 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Photos of buck Sexton 608 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: allegedly dressed up in costumes beginning to circulate on the 609 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: staff social media feeds. 610 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: Fake news, fake news, Watch out for AI, folks. You 611 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: never know what people are trying. 612 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: To put you know, use mentioned fake news. 613 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 3: I don't know if you paid attention to this story 614 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 3: at all, but I bet a huge majority of our 615 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:09,720 Speaker 3: Michigan listeners have. Sometimes sports stories are so crazy that 616 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: I like, especially college football stories that I feel like 617 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: they're made up for just insanity. Michigan Buck right now 618 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 3: is being accused. This is great for you as a 619 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 3: CIA guy. Michigan is being accused. The University of Michigan 620 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 3: is being accused of having a staffer who was secretly 621 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: taping all of these different signs that are sent in 622 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: for the play calls. Have you seen any of the 623 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 3: story at all? Okay, it's gonna get even crazier. This 624 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: is the CIA connection that I think. So Michigan had 625 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: evidently had this covert operation where they were going to 626 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: all these different schools and they were filming the signals 627 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 3: that are sent in to the teams and deducing what 628 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 3: those signals represented, so they knew what plays the teams 629 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 3: that they were running they were playing against, were potentially 630 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: gonna be running. In the last forty five minutes. There 631 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 3: is an allegation now that the head of the Michigan 632 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: signs stealing operation may have managed to end up on 633 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: the opposing team sideline, dressed in gear for the opposing 634 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: team like they Basically he was like a full trade operation. 635 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 3: The infiltrate allegations are that he may have infiltrated in 636 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 3: the season opener for Michigan the central Michigan side sideline 637 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 3: wearing Central Michigan gear while being a Michigan assistant coach. 638 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 3: I like, all of this is so good, Like this 639 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: is the kind of stuff when I just I throw 640 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 3: my hands. I say, this couldn't happen in any other sport. 641 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 3: But you should look into all these like, I mean, 642 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: this guy, this Connor Stallion's character may have a future 643 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: in the CIA. You should have recruited him if you 644 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 3: were still an agent. 645 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: If if you, I mean, so if you know the 646 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: other team to play, call, I assume that's I know 647 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: it's a big advantage, but is it almost like if 648 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 2: you knew what play they were running, are you are 649 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 2: you basically going to be able to completely neutralize it? 650 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 2: Or sometimes is it not that straightforward? 651 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean different coaches have different perspectives. The talent 652 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 3: of their respective team still matters, right Like you and 653 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: I could know it, linebacker, what the running back for 654 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 3: an NFL team is going to do, and we would 655 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 3: not be able to do it. Yeah, they would still 656 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: not we wouldn't make the play. So but I do 657 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 3: think over time it can be a competitive advantage because 658 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 3: basically just everything's probability, right, if you have a little 659 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 3: bit of an advantage. 660 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 1: They do the thing. 661 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 2: I mean I've noticed this, you know, when I'm hanging 662 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 2: out with my dad and my brothers who will actually 663 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 2: watch football, and I like to hang out with them, 664 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 2: so sometimes I will watch the football with them, you know, 665 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 2: and I'm always like, hey, like, let's order food anyway, 666 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 2: don't they They put the play sheet in front of 667 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: their cover their TV to cover up because I mean, 668 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 2: if you know, like if you can figure out what 669 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 2: they're gonna do, that's that's all, you know, right, If 670 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: their operational security is weak and they say something too 671 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 2: loud or they say something on TV, yeah, it's fair. 672 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 4: Well. 673 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 3: Look, I mean the NFL has have they have microphones 674 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 3: in the helmets, so they're just you know, the quarterback 675 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 3: can hear the play call through the helmet, you know 676 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: microphone that he has. 677 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: In college, they signal it in. 678 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 3: So there's theoretically more of an advantage to be gained 679 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 3: because you could steal a signal in college in a 680 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 3: way that you couldn't in the pros. But this story, 681 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 3: I guarantee everybody listening to us in Michigan on our 682 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: new I think nine to ten Am. If I'm right 683 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 3: about that, I'll correct it. If I'm wrong, I guarantee 684 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 3: you they're obsessed with it. But this story is everywhere now. 685 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 3: It's absolutely insane.