1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal podcast Network, where we offer you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome to 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the 13 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: assistance of life after death. On each episode will discuss 14 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have 15 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: survived physical death and so LOUI, Welcome to Shades of 16 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: the Afterlife. Yesterday, Mom and I were watching a TV 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: show about a surgeon who murdered his wife. Pretty awful, 18 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: and when I looked on the internet to try to 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: remember his name, so I typed in a doctor who 20 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: murdered his wife. There were dozens of doctors who have 21 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: murdered their wives. Terrible thing for me to say, isn't it. 22 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. When we hear the word doctor, 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: what do we think trustworthy, honest, cares for others? But 24 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: these instances show that a title doesn't mean people are good. 25 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: I want this show to be about mediums because there 26 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: are the good, the bad, and the ugly. Just because 27 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: someone has the title of medium does not mean that 28 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: they can accurately bring through your loved ones. I feel 29 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: myself getting a little heated up about this conversation because 30 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: not too long ago, a very well known medium who 31 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: charges well over five hundred dollars for a very short 32 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: session with him, has done what I consider fraud. He 33 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: is known to come through with very specific information in 34 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: a reading, but when you check the person's Facebook page, 35 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: that information is out for everyone to see. After my 36 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: father had died, and even though I believed in life 37 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: after death, I was grieving so hard that I trusted 38 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: some very well known mediums and got some very expensive readings, 39 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: meaning with no money back guarantee. One gentleman just kept 40 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: firing off pieces of evidence he called them, and not 41 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: one of them pertained to my dad until the very end. 42 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: There was one thing that okay, could have been from 43 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: my dad, but I was left disappointed. Another time, I 44 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: worked with a lady medium who gave me such specific 45 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: information that I was so flooded with joy, and she 46 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: was so specific. It was until after when I picked 47 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: up a copy of my own book, We Don't Die, 48 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: that I realized every bit of information she told me 49 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: was written in my book. It disgusts me. You hear 50 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: the expression throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's 51 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: a reason that many people do not believe in the afterlife, 52 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: and it's because of bad mediums out there. Good mediums care. 53 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: You should feel the presence of your loved one. There 54 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: should be specific information that you can validate is true. 55 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: They should be reasonably priced, and they should all have 56 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the code of ethics that in the first ten minutes, 57 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: if you don't feel a connection, or they may not 58 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: feel a connection with your loved one, the reading comes 59 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: to an end and you don't pay or you get refunded. 60 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: On this episode called the Good, Bad, and the Ugly, 61 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: I want to start out with the good. Every week 62 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: at two o'clock New York time, we offer a free 63 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: online spiritual service. Included is a medium demonstration. Our mediums 64 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: are a husband and wife team, Carrie McLeod and Philip Dikes, 65 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: who have been mediums for well over twenty five years 66 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: and teach our online programs. They volunteer their time on Sundays. 67 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: In this clip, you'll hear phil working with a member 68 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: of our virtual Zoom audience bringing through communication from her son. 69 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: Pay attention to your own feelings to see if you 70 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: feel love from the spirit world. Okay, Lesendon, I know 71 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: here that I have somebody some with me, and I 72 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: know as I were with him, I feel that he 73 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: was a bit of a hoot. I feel that with 74 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: him that there's this sense of he doesn't have anything 75 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: reserved about him like me. It just feels where he 76 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: came out, so there must be memories where he took 77 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 1: part in school activities like plays and things theater, like 78 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: a theater show or something at schools. But I know 79 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: he could play all kinds of different parts because he 80 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: comes alive. He's just not embarrassed. But I know he 81 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: even uses his physique in it, because I know is 82 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: quite a big lad and well built, but I know 83 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: he just uses that just to make everyone out. It's 84 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: almost like he plays on he knows how to sell 85 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: something and in the way that he acts. But I 86 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: know there seems to be a real sense where his 87 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: passing was rather quick, almost like I'm here woman, so 88 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: I know that passing seems to be unexpected, like an 89 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: organ failure, very quickly, like the heart. At this point, 90 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: I ask our audience, who can understand this information? One 91 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: woman raised her hand. I'll keep her name private. Hello, 92 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: do you understand everything I've said I do? Would you 93 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: understand where your son could be a bit of an exhibitionist? Yes, 94 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: And it's almost like there should be memories of these 95 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: school players where he wore wigs as well. Oh yes, 96 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: because it feels like I want to play the part. 97 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: But it's this bit about his physique where you just 98 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: want to think somebody the size of him, the way 99 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: he looks, would do this. But it's almost like he 100 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: uses it in the performance as well. Yes, he was 101 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: very good at that, because again it just feels like 102 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: I'm funny as it is, but when I had this 103 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: little bit, it's almost like like me saying I've got 104 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: her and flicking the head, and he would use it 105 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: in a way that just melts everybody and wins everybody over. Yes, 106 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: I would also be right in saying that he didn't 107 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: have a bad bone in his body either. Yes, because 108 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: I know there was frustrations, as we all have in life. 109 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: But I want to say it's almost like he he 110 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: had this methodology of where he would talk himself around 111 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: and one he's just got this knack had been the 112 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: adult older than his years. Yes, but I also feel 113 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: with your son wouldn't be writing saying he played basketball 114 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: as well he did because and it just feels here 115 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: that it was pretty good, because I know it must 116 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: have been either. I'm sorry if I get the schools 117 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: wrong elementary school where he was either a captain of 118 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: the sports team as middle Scottart who's middle school. Sorry 119 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: for getting the terminology, but I know he's the captain 120 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: of the team because I've just got it's my height 121 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: and build that gets me that. But I also know 122 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: as well that even for somebody quite well built and 123 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: quite tall for his age, I know he's a gentle giant. Yes, 124 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: and I want to say he's quite selfless as well. 125 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: And this is where people have memories where he would 126 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: help other children with the homework, even yes, And I 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: also believe even in the neighborhood where you lived, he 128 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: would have helped the neighbors as well with chores like 129 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: picking the leaves up and things. Absolutely, But I also 130 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: know he's got a little bit of devilment in him 131 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: like myself, because I also know there's are times in 132 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: before when people will collect the leaves you just jump 133 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: in them and kick them and everything. Yes, and I 134 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: also know he could tease some of the neighbors as well, 135 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: but have that innocent look like Butter would melt. Yes, 136 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: I want to be right in saying when he was younger, 137 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: and I feel that I'm not quite ten years old. 138 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Where we lived was quite a leafy suburb, it was, 139 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: and if I said there was like it's quite quaint 140 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: and everything. But he would play knock a door run 141 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: as we call it here, and I don't on some 142 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: of the neighbors. Yes, ding ding Dong. Yeah, that's the one. 143 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: I knew there was a different name to it, because 144 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 1: there's just this sense with him of devilment in him. 145 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: But there's just this real funny side where it's almost 146 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: like I'm not going to run and hide, I'm going 147 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: to stand in plain view. And pretend that I've not 148 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: seen anything or know anything. Yes, and there must be 149 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: a memory of where the neighbors came round and complained 150 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: about it. He did. And again, because it's just like 151 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: Butter wouldn't not me. So again, it's just got that 152 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: impression with him. And I want to say, even as 153 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm communicating on his bad I just feel like I 154 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: want to laugh, I want to cry. I just want 155 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun with him. And I 156 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: also know as well it was quite a favorite with 157 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: your girlfriends people. You would know, yes, they loved him. 158 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: I know they did because he had a cheeky way 159 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you would know this, but 160 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: he would give them a little wink and give him 161 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: that little smile sort of think he could. He was 162 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: a bit of a looker. Cheeky is perfect description. Well, 163 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: I know he's just got that cheekiness and that little 164 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: bit of fun about him, and he's just got that impression. 165 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: I'm not because I feel he's a good looking lad 166 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: as well, but I know he's just got that way 167 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: about him that would just entice people in. And I 168 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: want to say that you have photographs of him that 169 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: catch that cheekiness and those eyes that just are alive 170 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: of him. I do. And what I also be writing 171 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: saying from school, there's photographs of him at school as well. 172 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: There are wouldn't be writing saying you have a picture 173 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: that's hung of him in your house. I have many 174 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: photos of him, But there's one though that you I'm 175 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: not saying we should have favorites, but there's one that 176 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: really cat and you talk to him, Yeah, there there 177 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: is one. Sometimes when you're doing this and acknowledging and 178 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: giving that kiss, I know he's there with you as well. 179 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: And you must have kept some of his school clothes 180 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: like that the in fact, no, bear with me. It 181 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: feels like he would have kept some of his sports tops. Yes, 182 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: because I know sometimes I would. I be right in saying, 183 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: you have shirts or something of his that you've not washed, 184 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: but you smell now and again I'm holding it right now. Yes, 185 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: that's right because I know he's acknowledging it to me, 186 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: and I know this is what he wants to show 187 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: that he's not just talking to me, but he's with 188 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: you as well. And I know he loves you incredibly, 189 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: and I know you've told him he loves you. Because 190 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: that's why I said it, and I'm right here and 191 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: I hope this is right. As you've been talking to me, 192 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: you felt that little touch on your cheek. I did, 193 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: because he says, I've just giving you a kiss. Mom. 194 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave his love with you and say 195 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: thank you for allowing me to deliver that on his behalf. 196 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: I still feel that he's very cheeky, is still up 197 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: to mischief. So watch where things are misplaced. And there's 198 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: little signs and symbols around about. But watch where the 199 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: neighbors say. I'm sure somebody's playing that knock at door, 200 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: run or whichever, but we can't fact because I know 201 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: there's that impression of him around because he just wants 202 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: to make sure that everyone's happy and making the best 203 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: of life. Thank you so much forgive me for one second. 204 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: I've got to say something, and I don't say this easily, 205 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: what I'd be right in saying, you've been to see 206 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: another medium and the medium didn't leave you in the 207 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: best place. Yes, actually, because I want to say that 208 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: wasn't your son, and your son wasn't there. I don't 209 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: usually do that, but I've got to get that through 210 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: because your son says Mom, this is me, this is 211 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: what I want. You know that I'm cheeky. You know 212 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: that I'm mischief. I love you so much and I'm 213 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: going to leave you with that positive understanding and said 214 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 1: you very very much. We need to go to the break, 215 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: but when we come back, I'll tell you why some 216 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: of that information was so important. You're listening to Shades 217 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast 218 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to 219 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain. We're talking about 220 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: the good, the bad, and the ugly of mediumship. Just 221 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: before the break, I played for you a clip from 222 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: our Sunday gathering in which medium Phil Dikes gives a 223 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: reading to a member of our Zoom congregation. The readings 224 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: are about five to seven minutes each, just to taste, 225 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: to let people know that they're loved, ones are still around, 226 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: that they are healthy, well whole and happy. Listening to 227 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: that clip, I hope you felt the love coming through 228 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: from the sun. Feelings are very important, as wonderful as 229 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: a lot of evidence is. If you're not sitting in 230 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: the shoes of in this case, the parent receiving the information, 231 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: you don't know how pertinent the information may or may 232 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: not be. I received an email after our Sunday gathering 233 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: from the mother and why those words were so important 234 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: to her. My friend, there can be some horrific passings 235 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: as well as some peaceful ones. Everyone wants to know 236 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: that their loved one has arrived safely into the afterlife, 237 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: that they're still alive, of course, and that they are 238 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: healthy and well and their personality comes through. That's why 239 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: I decided to play that clip. When our loved ones 240 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: pass even ourselves, no matter what the situation is that 241 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: brings us over there, there's no memory of any pain. Ever. 242 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: We are healthy and whole, and we continue to walk 243 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: by your side. Next, I want to share with you 244 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: a chat I had with Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's 245 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: on some of the myths about mediumship, and we'll share 246 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: some of the good, bad, and the ugly. Mediums are 247 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: born with the medium gifts they have and they cannot 248 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: get any better. Oh my goodness, what a great question. 249 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Mediums are in some ways born, but also they can 250 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: be developed too. We all have that medium mystic ability 251 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: within us. So if we ask those out there that 252 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: are not like Phil and I. When you open your 253 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: mouth you sing beautifully, or you pick up an instrument 254 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: and you just knew that you were set to be 255 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: able to play that instrument. Then you knew you were 256 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: predestined to play the violin or the piano, or to 257 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: sing well. In some ways, mediumship is similar to that. 258 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: You'll have a sensitivity there, you'll have an ability that 259 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: shows itself there. But as to whether you can develop 260 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: that to be better than what you are at the moment, well, 261 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: I for one hope that that is the case, because 262 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm always wanting to be a better medium, not because 263 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I need to be, because I think the spot will 264 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: deserve that. So for me, I'm always looking to develop 265 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: my mediumship even further, and I might be the finished 266 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: article as I come towards my last breath. Maybe absolutely. Yes, 267 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: we're born. Everyone's entitled to have that spirit communication. But 268 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: a medium is born, and when we say that, the 269 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: bone with different abilities. So we're all individual, but we 270 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: have to work and we have to craft it, we 271 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: have to develop it, and it's that education, it's that 272 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: learning process that we become the better medium, the complete medium, 273 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: the accomplished medium, and it's many years of formal training, 274 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: many years of life experience, understanding the self, developing the emotions, 275 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: developing your mental thoughts or physical reactions, making you that 276 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: spiritual medium. And that's what we have to look at. Now. 277 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,880 Speaker 1: God doesn't say Phil you're going to be better than 278 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: that medium or vice versa. It doesn't work like that. 279 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 1: We have to work at it. We have to craft it, 280 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: and everything that we put in we will get out 281 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: from it. But it is a way of life. It's 282 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: not just a job title. And mediums come in different 283 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 1: shapes and forms. They can work where they hear the 284 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: spirit world, they can work where they feel the spirit world, 285 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: and they can work where they see the spirit world. 286 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: To keep things simple, and then there's various complimations of 287 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: both of them going together and working together, and we 288 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: have to learn to be well round in mediums working 289 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: in different way is um and understanding that process to 290 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: work with more people from the spirit world. And yes, 291 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: you heard me right, people living, people that are still alive, 292 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: that still have personalities, characters that want to come back 293 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: through love and share their evidence, their stories of life. 294 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: And we should do that in the way that they 295 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: want to present it. That's why we need to develop 296 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: an over many many years, very good Ready for another myth. 297 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely all mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums. 298 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: Now there's a little bit of truth in that, because 299 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: mediums can work psychically, but unfortunately psychics can't work mediumistically. So, 300 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we need to fully understand the difference 301 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 1: between the two. That working from our soul, working from 302 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: my soul to somebody who's living in front of me, 303 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: like you, Sandra. If we're working and the information is 304 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: all about you, it's psychic. It's all about your life, 305 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: your thoughts, your interactions, your memories, the way that you 306 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: are and is that are happening in life. Well, when 307 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: we start looking at mediumship, it's exactly the same thing, 308 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: but with that person in the spirit world that no 309 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: longer has that physical body, and we're telling their story 310 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: their evidence in the way they want it presented, with 311 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: evidence of they've survived death through things you only would 312 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: remember objective facts, but also emotional facts as well, bringing healing, 313 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: bringing comfort. So again we have to look at it 314 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: in the sense of there's different types of abilities out there, 315 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: and we should never be mistaken between the two, because 316 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: when we think about psychic ability, there are seven and 317 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: a half billion people on the planet around about, which 318 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: means there's seven and a half billion psychics walking the planet. 319 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: Because every single person is psychic. Every single person can 320 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: walk into a room and sense whether there has been 321 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: an argument in that room, or sense whether there has 322 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: been something beautiful like a wedding or a christening, or 323 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: a baptism or some party celebrating life. That means that 324 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: the soul has been able to pick up energies from 325 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: the room around about, which means that everybody's psychic. Now, 326 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: when we moved to working with the spirit world, is 327 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: feel correctly indicated there we need to be speaking to 328 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: people who are no longer needing to take a breath. 329 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: They're on spirits side of life, but they still have 330 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: a soul, they still have a story. But not all 331 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: psychics are able to move their mind conscious and subconscious 332 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: to the spirit world, and so not all psychics will 333 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: move to that ability of mediumship. But that doesn't mean 334 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: that psychic isn't good. A very developed psychic is an 335 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: incredibly powerful experience to be in receipt of a psychic reading, 336 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: as as a mediumship reading so it's not about good 337 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: or bad or less. There are better but absolutely all 338 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: psychics are not mediums, but all mediums will be psychic. 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: And it may be a good thing to point out 340 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: that people might say, oh, I feel your mom's in 341 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,479 Speaker 1: the spirit world and say, just at the moment this 342 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: is going gone for it doesn't mean they're a medium. Psychically, 343 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: we can feel who's in the spirit world through the 344 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: information within your oric field that you're emanating every day, 345 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: and it's this that we're looking at now and presenting 346 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: doesn't prove their medium. It just proves they're working on 347 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: a psychic level, working in your energy, of your soul 348 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: and your personality. Do you have a reading and all 349 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: the informations about you, then that psychic and it can 350 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: be very much like carry said, empowering, help you see 351 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: life and have a purpose to it. Well, phil you 352 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: psychically just picked up on the next myth that I 353 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: wanted to bust, and it was if I go to 354 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: a medium, can I be sure that they're talking to 355 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: my deceased loved one? Well, this is where we need 356 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: to have proof of the afterlife, proof of their loved one. 357 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: That proof can come in many different ways to you. 358 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: It can be objective evidence where it's really fact your 359 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: evidence where they live, their names, their jobs, but it's 360 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: going to be the personality and character in there. So 361 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: it's all about them that you know. It's them that 362 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: you leave no doubt whatsoever that your loved one is. 363 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: They're talking to you, then they may have something to 364 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: say about your life, but it always will still be 365 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: backed up with evidence. So again it's looking at that 366 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: improving that life does exist after the physical death of 367 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: the body, and the evidence should be presented in such 368 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: a way that it's not you that's answering, it telling 369 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: the medium because you've paid for the reading. It should 370 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: be the medium telling you in statements, not questions, that 371 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: your mom's here, this is what she did, and so on, 372 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: and it's understanding that fact. Carrie, maybe you could answer this. 373 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: I've seen you guys demonstrate, and I know there's some 374 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: different kinds of evidence. I've also seen people demonstrate that 375 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: are just firing out details, details, details. What are the 376 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: different kinds of evidence that could or should come through 377 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: and reading? There can be the factual pieces of evidence, 378 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: and that's what we would call objective evidence, where you 379 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: get names or occupations, or streets that you lived in, 380 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: or specific details that only you and the person would 381 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: know by name or by description. And then you get 382 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: the emotional evidence, which will be how they passed possibly, 383 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: what relationship they had to you. Did they love you, 384 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: could they not show it? Did to tell you every day? 385 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Did they hug you? Where they not tactile? And that 386 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: emotional evidence then leads into things like memories of remembering 387 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: walking down the street or in the home, or cooking 388 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: or baking um. And then the third part of every 389 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: reading should be that presence of the spirit world, and 390 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: it needs the first two to be present for that 391 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: presence of the communicator to be there. And what we 392 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: sometimes find is people giving names and then someday or 393 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: the or the dare I say the M initial or 394 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: the T initial or the C initial, and the recipient 395 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: then filling in the blank singal that's my mom and 396 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: that's my dad, and this is their name. Evidential mediumship, 397 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: regardless whether it's the emotional or the objective, requires for 398 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: the medium to give the evidence, not for the recipient 399 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: to fill in the difference. And that's why we only 400 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: ask for yes or no, because we're desperately wanting each 401 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: person to leave knowing or wondering how fill or Are 402 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: or any other evidential medium got that information about their 403 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: loved one? Are you using your psychic sense to tell 404 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: you how passionate I am about this topic. I have 405 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: heard horror stories about people getting medium readings, being taken 406 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: advantage of for their money, not getting good evidence, being 407 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: told their loved ones are stuck, which doesn't happen, and 408 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: some really terrible things. So I feel very passionate that 409 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 1: people that call themselves mediums give the best evidence they can, 410 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: with integrity and with a heart to the client. So 411 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: when we get back from the break, we're going to 412 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: ask some questions like does my energy impact the reading? 413 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: And this is the ugly. If you pay a medium 414 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money, if you get a better reading, 415 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it. We'll be right back. You're 416 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 417 00:25:36,800 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 418 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and 419 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: we're doing the good, bad, and the ugly of mediumship 420 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: talking to our favorite medium couple, Carrie McLeod and Philip Dikes. 421 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Here's the next question. Mediums can tap into my past, present, 422 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: and future, and even my health. What do you guys say, Well, so, yes, 423 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: we can tap into the past, we can tap into 424 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: the present, but the future has not happened. Now. We 425 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: can work in two different ways, as we've discussed already, 426 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: mediumistically and psychically, so psychically as well. We can go 427 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: to the past and the present and it's very empowering. 428 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: But when it comes to telling the future, it's our 429 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: thoughts today that create a tomorrow. Now, if the spirit 430 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: world come in and literally say something, then we'll repeat that. 431 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: But again, we can't tell fortunes. We can't predict the future. 432 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: So a psychic may feel that this is what you're 433 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: going to do, But is that psychic king on a 434 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: surface level, reading your conscious desires and wishes now and 435 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: telling you that it's going to happen. Many people come 436 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: to see us for private readings, and what we say 437 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: to them is, I know this is why you've come. 438 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 1: I can feel that, but let's have a look at this, 439 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: and let's discuss this, let's talk about it, and you 440 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: get to know the past, you get to know the present, 441 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: and it empowers them that they can make their own 442 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: mind up for the future and what they want to do. 443 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: We never advised them, We never predict we never tell them. 444 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: Now for some people, that might be ruining why they 445 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 1: go for readings because they want to know about the future. 446 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: But we have to be honest here. We can't do that. 447 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: There's laws in the United king that that stopped us predicting. 448 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: That's tell us we can't do certain things, especially about 449 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: health and different things. Let's lead that to the professionals. 450 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: Let's lead that to the doctors that know and has 451 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: studied medical diagnosis and biology and everything else. I would 452 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: never go anywhere near anything like that, and again there's 453 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: laws to prevent us doing that. But the media and 454 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: can work with the spirit world and they can tell 455 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: us certain things, but we have to know its fact, 456 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: and we have to know it's not from our consciousness 457 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: or our subconsciousness. We have to know that the actual 458 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: love One in the spirit world has said it or 459 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: shown us and that's exactly what they mean. And this 460 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: is why we need to develop, we need to practice, 461 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: we need to understand it to make sure that we 462 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: get things right. I'd hate to go to the spirit 463 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: world and say I've said this X, Y and Z 464 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: and I go to the spirit world and somebody's mother, father, 465 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: brother's son, daughter, whoever says to me, I never said that. 466 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: We're very strict on that, and we understand that to 467 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: a decent degree, that we know what's our thoughts and 468 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: we know what is from the spirit world. If I 469 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: don't get a good reading, it's because my energy isn't good. 470 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: I'll let you go there. There are a whole lot 471 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: of reasons, and I'll pick a few off and then 472 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: filking finish with the other ones. It might well be 473 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: that the recipient toward the sitter is not in a 474 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: good place, So let's look at somebody who's recently bereaved. 475 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: It isn't always the best thing to go for a reading. 476 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes it is, but it isn't always the best thing 477 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: to go for a reading if you're recently buried, because 478 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: there is no reading that's ever going to take away 479 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: that deep grief that you're in. And sometimes it can 480 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: actually get in the way because our loved one doesn't 481 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: want to come through and upset us even more. And 482 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: if somebody passes and we here and we feel them, 483 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: it can create so much emotion, which in itself can 484 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: sometimes get in the way for the communicator, for the recipient, 485 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: and maybe even for the inexperienced medium. So we've got 486 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: to take that into consideration. We also have to look 487 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: at the medium themselves, and we have to look at 488 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: the development. Are they fully understanding of the mechanics of 489 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: the spirit world in spirit communication? Can they blend with 490 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: that loved one? Are they having a bad day. There's 491 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: so many different factors we can look at here as well, 492 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: and can it be the recipients misunderstanding of what are reading? 493 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: Is I mean to mention a couple of things. Recently, 494 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: somebody said to me, I would like an evidential reading. 495 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: So I the dad came through talking all about the 496 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: facts about him. Then they said that's not what I wanted. 497 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: I wanted to reading about my life. And I said, well, 498 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: here we go, this is what you're asking for. Then 499 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: he's a psychic reading. So again it can be a misunderstanding. 500 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: We can maybe looking for certain evidence and holding onto 501 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: that evidence and not accepting who's coming forward because we 502 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: can't guarantee who's going to come. A good friend I 503 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 1: always went for a reading recently with somebody and they 504 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: were told that it had eaten a bag of prawns 505 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: and painting defense. Well, that to me is not evidence 506 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: their loved ones there. It really is about what they've done. 507 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: We have to understand that readings can have so many 508 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: different factors and elements to it. Is the spirit world present, 509 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: is the medium in the right place, and it's the 510 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: recipient ready to understand or receive that contact. And there's 511 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: many times and when we work with the spirit world, 512 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: we always say in private readings, we can't guarantee the 513 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: connection you're wanting. Will do our best, and we usually 514 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: know within a few seconds and minutes at the most 515 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,479 Speaker 1: if it's not working, if it's not jelling, we'll just 516 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: say today is not the right day. You either have 517 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: a choice to book back in or you can have 518 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: a full refund. We've got to look at it intelligently. 519 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: We need to have to understand the communication of ourselves. 520 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: And it makes sense to us, it will make sense 521 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: to the recipient. But if it doesn't make sense to us, 522 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: there's no point going further. If it's bitty, if it's 523 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: not working, if it's not got those three elements Kerry 524 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: talked about, which was the evidence, the emotion, and the 525 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: present where you feel the spirit world. Then we have 526 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: to look at it and say, nobody's fault. It's just 527 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: that moment. It's not meant to be because it takes 528 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: three things. It takes the recipient for the sitter, it 529 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: takes a medium, it takes a spirit world. Of any 530 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: one of those is just in the off day. For instance, 531 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: we had an experience where we've had this experience both 532 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: on different occasions are reading hasn't worked, it's happened on 533 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: another day, and then it's been the person that spirit 534 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: word's birthday, or it's been the person here's birthday. They 535 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. So if the spirit world doesn't 536 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: want it to happen, it ain't going to happen. But 537 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: it's normally with good reason. Thank you for having that 538 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: integrity to be honest about that. And if it doesn't work, 539 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: you know in the beginning and you refund the person 540 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: or until the next time, so really thank you. That 541 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: should be a standard stand or the world over. If 542 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: it's not going well any time up to including ten minutes, 543 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: and normally the medium will know at the very beginning, 544 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: but any time up to including ten minutes if it's 545 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: not going right, both the sitter and the medium should 546 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: be saying, you know what, this just isn't jelling for 547 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: some reason today. Do you want me to continue or 548 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: do you want me to stop and refund you? That 549 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: should be part of the ethical practice. Thank you for that. 550 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk about money. Mediums that charge the most money 551 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: are the best. Absolutely not. They might be well known, 552 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: they might be a celebrity status, but it doesn't mean 553 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,959 Speaker 1: the better medium at all. Again, what we just mentioned 554 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: about ethics, about intention, about responsibility. Just because they might 555 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: give you a couple of names or a few initials 556 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: or whichever that might impress you does not make them 557 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: a good medium. The good medium, we should be able 558 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: to tell you who's coming forward. We should be able 559 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: to give you undeniable facts. We should understand them facts, 560 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: and we should tell you everything. And to give you 561 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: example of that, we could. Let's just make something up here. Oh, 562 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: I've got your dad. This is how we passed. These 563 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: were his hobbies, this was his work, this is where 564 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: he lived. All those undeniable factual statements. But then into 565 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: his character and personality of how he was, how were 566 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: you interacted, the personal memories, the last things we said, 567 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: we're telling you everything not just same. We can understand 568 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 1: the l name and waiting for them to tell you back. 569 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: It might look impressive, it might sound impressive, but a 570 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: true medium is in the essence of the communicator telling 571 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: the story of their life in the way they want it. 572 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: And if we just look at that for a second, 573 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: they are doing it deliberately to create more memories, to 574 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: take you further down memory lane, to evoke emotion, to 575 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: bring healing, to bring comfort. As Kerry said before, we've 576 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: been working for twenty five plus years within the churches 577 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: different parts of the world, learning different cultures. These sort 578 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: of things you can't learn overnight or can't read in 579 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: a textbook or a particular course. It takes years to 580 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: unfold and develop. And what we find is, well, we've 581 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: had lots of emails saying we can't possibly be very 582 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: good because we're only such and such pounds, and somebody 583 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: has paid five times that for a reading. And we've 584 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: had other people saying, well, they've paid five hundred dollars 585 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: for half our reading and they were told nonsense or 586 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: it was a psychic reading. At base. What we would 587 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: ask is that you not gauge it on costs that 588 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 1: you gauge it either on somebody referring to you, or 589 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: you go to the website and you really have a 590 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: look at some of the words that people have written 591 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: about them. But it is definitely not based on course. 592 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 1: It would be a poor way of measuring spirituality. It's 593 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: your world. Well, let's talk about training. I know for 594 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: myself my first mediumship course was over a weekend and 595 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: I got a certificate and I was told I can 596 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: go charge a hundred and fifty dollars an hour now. 597 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: And I also know people that hang on their shingle 598 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: that they've studied a with a certain medium or at 599 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: a certain college, like that's good enough. Can you talk 600 00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: about really the time and dedication It takes, absolutely, it 601 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: takes a lifetime. Phil and I individually have been learning 602 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: our craft because mediumship is that for twenty five years each. 603 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,839 Speaker 1: And what we know is that we're still developing in 604 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: some ways, or we're still finding new ways that spirit 605 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: world want to expand. The information that we use or 606 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: the way that we are mediumship is developing. And what 607 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: we would be looking at is some of the courses 608 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: that are out there are there to open somebody's consciousness 609 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: or to spiritualize itself or to create that awareness within 610 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: the individual, not itself. To call somebody a medium, and 611 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: this is often in the misunderstanding. Is spiritual mediumship If 612 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: somebody wants to undertake that path, it's actually a vocation. 613 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: It certainly isn't a form of employment. Now, we did 614 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: private readings in the start of our development, and we 615 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: used to charge ten pounds. We're just speaking about this today, 616 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: and it used to go in the jar, and that 617 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: ten pounds built up enough to pay for the next course. 618 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: This is how it should be. People are too eager 619 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 1: to have the title of medium and too eager to 620 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: do one or two weeks at the well known places 621 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 1: and then come out and be a trans meter and 622 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: a trans healer or a mental medium. If they do 623 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: not understand what they are working with the intelligence of 624 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: the spirit world, then they fail to see what mediumship 625 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: is about. It has an incredible responsibility. It's about healing, 626 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: it's about reuniting, and it's about something other than themselves. 627 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: And often the certificate is all about I am and 628 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: not about I can do. Please allow me to do 629 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 1: that for you some profound words. Let's go to the 630 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: break and we'll be back with Carrie and Phil. You're 631 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife and the I Heart Radio, 632 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: then Coast to Stay and Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 633 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. And even 634 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: though this is titled The Good, Bad, and the Ugly 635 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: of Mediumship, this is really serious business. I am pretty 636 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:40,280 Speaker 1: sure you have experienced some deep grief over the passing 637 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: of a loved one. For many people, it can be 638 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: their deepest, darkest hour. There is a percentage of people 639 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: that cannot handle the grief, cannot handle the pain and 640 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: choose to be with their loved ones and take themselves 641 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: out of this life. AC session with the medium can 642 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: be the one thing that can make or break somebody's life. 643 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: A good medium reading has the opportunity to give people 644 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: their life back. A bad medium reading can actually push 645 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: someone over the edge. And I mean that. That's why 646 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm so passionate about this. And if you're a medium 647 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:31,720 Speaker 1: listening to this, you can always get better. Like carry said, 648 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: mediumship is a vocation. I have a doctor's appointment tomorrow. 649 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: You know, my doctor is continually training and learning and 650 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: reading to be the best and the most current she 651 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: can be. You can't expect a doctor to go to 652 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: a weekend course or take two weeks at a famous 653 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: college and start charging money for surgery. That's just ridiculous. 654 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: Mediums really do hold people's lives in their hands, and 655 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: that's why it's so important to be a good medium 656 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: to understand mediumship. If you got diagnosed with an illness, 657 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: chances are, if it's serious enough you would get to 658 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 1: maybe three opinions, you would do a lot of research 659 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: and finding the best doctor. Do the research on mediumship, 660 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: Like Carrie says, no matter what credentials it may show 661 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: on their website, look to see the comments people have. 662 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: Ask questions of your friends that recommend a medium. Did 663 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: you volunteer any information? Did they give you information that 664 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: you actually felt the presence of your loved one? Did 665 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 1: they say I've got someone here with an M name 666 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 1: that's a red flag. Names really aren't important if the 667 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: stories and the shared experien variances are there. While you 668 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: may end up paying for some famous mediums, sure, I 669 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: think the average rate could be somewhere between to a 670 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,799 Speaker 1: hundred U S dollars for a half hour reading. A 671 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: half hour of evidential mediumship is more than enough time 672 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,439 Speaker 1: for the medium to connect you with your loved one 673 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: through those shared stories and experiences. There's nothing wrong with 674 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: an hour. Mediums very often act as counselors and can 675 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 1: help you through your grief. They can do that after 676 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 1: they have satisfied your needs knowing that your loved one 677 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: is there. Also, remember not to feed the medium, let 678 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,640 Speaker 1: them work, let them give information, and you can just 679 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: simply say yes or no. You don't need to challenge them. 680 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 1: Most mediums are good people, but let them do the work. Also, 681 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: if you are a medium listening to this, change your policy. 682 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 1: If you don't have this already to offer people that 683 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: ten minute guarantee you know you might not feel a 684 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: connection or something might be off. Offer them another opportunity 685 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: to see you, or their money back. There's not a 686 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,839 Speaker 1: single class that we offer online in psychic and mediumship 687 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: that does not offer a money back guarantee if you're 688 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 1: not happy you don't pay. Let's go back to one 689 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: more myth about mediumship. You need a medium to connect 690 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: with your loved one because you cannot do it yourself. 691 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,919 Speaker 1: What do you guys say? In some ways that's incorrect, 692 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: because everybody in some way has felt the presence all 693 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 1: of their loved ones there, So you might recognize that 694 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: you get that feeling that your mom or your dad 695 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,240 Speaker 1: is close to you, or that your pet is close 696 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: to you, or you've received a sign that you believe 697 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: that they've given you. Those are signs that cannot be 698 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: taken away. They can't be questioned because they're personal to you. 699 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: When you're sitting in the power, you're meditating, or you're 700 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: walking and that thought comes into your mind of a 701 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: memory you spent with your loved one, it's probably a 702 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: way that they've dropped that thought into your mind to 703 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,720 Speaker 1: let you know that they're close. And if we find 704 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: ourselves having vivid dreams, these are real experiences, very very 705 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: real experiences. We know the word will join us in 706 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: our dreams, so that is their way of reaching out. 707 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,279 Speaker 1: But as Phil will explain, it's more difficult when we 708 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 1: have them coming close and we want them to talk 709 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: to us, because we get in our own way. The 710 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: actual term your loved one tells speaks volumes about it. Really, 711 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: because you try and stop one of your loved ones. 712 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: When they were here, they talked to you, they loved you. 713 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,000 Speaker 1: Then just because they've lost the physical body. They're in 714 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: the spirit world, heaven, summer and whatever you want to 715 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: call it. Doesn't mean they're going to stop loving you. 716 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: They want to contact you, they want to reach out 717 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,240 Speaker 1: to you, as carry said, through different methods. But again, 718 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to that, we've got wonderful imaginations and 719 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 1: when we think that we connecting and we're getting answers, 720 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,280 Speaker 1: is it ourselves? Isn't our mind? That's where we need 721 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920 Speaker 1: the medium to come in. They're the one that's well developed, 722 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: the one that's well trained, the ones that's got a 723 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: good reputation, and the one that doesn't charge a great 724 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: deal of money either, the one that's really true and authentic. 725 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: Then you will get the words from your loved one, 726 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: you'll get the pictures, you will get everything that will 727 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: make common sense, logical, rational sense, the way it's delivered 728 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,720 Speaker 1: by factual evidence, personal memories in motion, and you'll feel 729 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: the presence of them. That's what you need the medium for. 730 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,919 Speaker 1: But in no way, shape or form are you ever 731 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 1: going to stop a loved one coming directly to you 732 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,439 Speaker 1: in your dreams and everything else. They want to reach out, 733 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,840 Speaker 1: they want to comfort, they want to heal, and believe 734 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: you me if we look at this from a slightly 735 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: different angle. Come and watch us work. Come and see 736 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400 Speaker 1: us work, not once, not twice, three times on the 737 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,799 Speaker 1: Sunday gathering where it's free. Make your own minds up, 738 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: and it's from your own mind that you will decide 739 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: to join us on whichever course or whichever you want. 740 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 1: And we asked you to do that to every medium 741 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,239 Speaker 1: you come across and watch them. Do they walk the walk, 742 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: do they talk the talk? Do they demonstrate it? Are 743 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: they able to put you through the tuition and demonstrate 744 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: the tuition? Make your own minds up, So have that 745 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 1: logical common sense between your ears, as might choose to 746 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: said to me again and understand that. But again, what 747 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: we're looking at here is an understanding that we're working 748 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: with an intelligence that want to touch your life, that 749 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: want to touch your soul, that want to reach out. 750 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: And for every contact that happens on the Sunday gathering 751 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: or in any other demonstration, there's hundreds of people in 752 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: the spirit world willing that one contact to come through, 753 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: sending their thoughts, sending their love, hoping they're going to 754 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: help and comfort that one, to reach out and touch 755 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,920 Speaker 1: their love one here. That's what it's all about it's 756 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,720 Speaker 1: about a team coming together and I love that joins 757 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,440 Speaker 1: us all together in that humanity, and that's why they 758 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 1: choose to come back. It's through love. So it is 759 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:32,440 Speaker 1: worth taking that extra time just to figure out what's 760 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: happening within your own need to know and then go 761 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: and read, go and research, go on the internet, make 762 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,879 Speaker 1: sure it's reputable. Joined Sandra on some of her courses. 763 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: There are ways that you can have your love to 764 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,759 Speaker 1: one reach out to you more. It doesn't need to 765 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: be for the chosen few for you to feel your 766 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:58,200 Speaker 1: loved ones there. Everybody's entitled to that and we believe 767 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: that it happens everywhere. Thank you. I know, Phil, you 768 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,640 Speaker 1: mentioned sitting in the power. Can you talk about what 769 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,840 Speaker 1: that is the importance of it and even for somebody 770 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,359 Speaker 1: who might be a practicing medium right now why they 771 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,640 Speaker 1: want to do this practice and I know we do 772 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,720 Speaker 1: it on our not just every course we've done together. 773 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 1: You add that in right, Well, we're going to be 774 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: talking for another hour. I'm only joking. Well, sitting in 775 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 1: the power is letting that love, letting that power build 776 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: within and being in an active place and letting the 777 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: spirit world make you aware of them, are becoming aware 778 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: of self, being mindful, moving through stages of consciousness. And 779 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: it sounds all technical, but it's not. Through breathing, through focused, 780 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:48,279 Speaker 1: through discipline, we start to move the conscious mind into 781 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,839 Speaker 1: different states of being, which helps the spirit world come 782 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,960 Speaker 1: closer to us, which helps that communication. And it's not 783 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: just for mediums. Some of the places we talk about, 784 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: some of the places we've demonstrated this with you, Sander 785 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: in Boston, where that young lady of eighteen years have 786 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: been wanting to see her son, I think it was 787 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 1: and in that moment we created a space, we created 788 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: an energy and just got it to relax and be 789 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,560 Speaker 1: aware of everything. And before she knew it, the mind 790 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: and moved and the sun came in and showed his 791 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: face very clearly. It was very emotional. And that's two 792 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: hundred people. So we don't need a medium mystic ability. 793 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: We just need an awareness of self and create a 794 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: power and make that spirit world come a little bit 795 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: closer and be able to bring that love into what 796 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,600 Speaker 1: we call the oric field and have that impression, to 797 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: have that conversation, to be reunited with the loved one. 798 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: And it's for the practice of this. It can bring 799 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: a lot of great comfort, a lot of healing, a 800 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 1: lot of balance within your life. But for the dedicated medium, 801 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,400 Speaker 1: this is the key to your mediumship. This state of awareness, 802 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: this heightened state where the consciousness moves, where we can 803 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,760 Speaker 1: see things clearly, here things really and in some ways 804 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: be really impressed by the spirit world. And even where 805 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: we look at Scott Milligan and his trance, where the 806 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: spirit world us his vocal cords and to talk through 807 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: and spread those teachings that love out there. These are 808 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: things we need to do to really develop. But for 809 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: that grieving person, for that person that's healing, it can 810 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,120 Speaker 1: be just as magical because it creates a balance and 811 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: wonderful sense within us that our loved ones come around. Well, 812 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: thank you Carrie and Phil. I don't know about you, 813 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: but I could listen to these two forever. They are 814 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:42,120 Speaker 1: outstanding people, mediums and they just care film mentioned Sitting 815 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,520 Speaker 1: in the Power. If you go to that We Don't 816 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: Die dot Com page, click on the store, scroll down 817 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,040 Speaker 1: a little bit, but there's a past replay of a 818 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,160 Speaker 1: five hour Sitting in the Power course that you might enjoy. Also, 819 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,839 Speaker 1: every month we have psychic mediumship classes and of course 820 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 1: our Sunday gathering. Our home base is we Don't Die 821 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,720 Speaker 1: dot com and you can visit carry and fills page 822 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,080 Speaker 1: at my mediumship dot com. There's nothing like a good 823 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,480 Speaker 1: medium reading, but I felt so strongly that you just 824 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,680 Speaker 1: had to know what's good and what's true. 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