WEBVTT - Why are headlights so bright?

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<v Speaker 1>this week's episode. I'm Manny, I'm Noah, this is Devin,

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode, why are headlights so motherfucking bright? And

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<v Speaker 1>can Biden's infrastructure bill actually be the thing that saves us?

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<v Speaker 2>There's no such thing, no such thing, such thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Touch So the other day, it's about seven o'clock at night,

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<v Speaker 1>I was I was out on long Island visiting the family,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was driving back to Brooklyn, and this time

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<v Speaker 1>of year gets start pretty early, which is fine for

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<v Speaker 1>most of the driving until I live by this expressway

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<v Speaker 1>we called the Jackie Robinson. It is notoriously a difficult

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<v Speaker 1>road to drive on. The lanes are more narrow, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's really windy, so and there's a lot of okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go from your far right to your

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<v Speaker 1>far left to your far right because the exit's over here,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you need to exit on the right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for someone who's inexperience, it is a difficult express

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<v Speaker 1>to be driving through. But what makes it even harder nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>especially at night, is that everybody has the fucking brightest

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<v Speaker 1>lights you have ever seen in your entire life. So

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<v Speaker 1>you got people behind you whose lights are so bright

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<v Speaker 1>they're reflecting off your rear view mirror, and going in

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes, got people to the rid of you their

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<v Speaker 1>lights are so bright it's shine in the mirror in

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes. And then you got people on the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday Expressway coming towards you, and it looks like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>just has their high beams on. It's also a road

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<v Speaker 1>where you just gotta go or you'll get in an

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<v Speaker 1>accident if you go too slow. Based but you just

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<v Speaker 1>gotta drive fast, even if you don't feel comfortable driving fast.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many times where, especially this time I'm driving

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<v Speaker 1>on it, I'm like, I can only see the car

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me. My visibility is about ten feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where the road is going outside of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily enough, I've done this drive enough times that I

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<v Speaker 1>sort of know.

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<v Speaker 3>The direction that's gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>But in my mind, I'm like, this feels so unsafe,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, is this something I know?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 1>I turned thirty two and last year I'm like, is

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<v Speaker 1>my eyesight.

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<v Speaker 3>Just so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is is this just like a thing that everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>lights are just way too bright nowadays? It's making it

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to see.

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<v Speaker 4>No I have that. I've had so many similar experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of roads in Ohio that don't

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<v Speaker 4>have street lights. You're only relying on your headlights.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like when you're driving upstate.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it's not just unique to Ohio, I suppose.

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<v Speaker 4>But I also have a stigmatism is very common. You

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<v Speaker 4>have it as well. Noah's been blessed with great genetics.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I bad eyesip, but not that way.

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<v Speaker 4>And uh, you know, at night time when I'm driving,

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<v Speaker 4>I so often I can't fucking see and I feel

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<v Speaker 4>a little crazy. I don't know if this is true,

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<v Speaker 4>but it feels like it's gotten worse over the past

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<v Speaker 4>like ten fifteen years. I've been driving since age seventeen,

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<v Speaker 4>and I don't remember it being this bad.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, and that's why I'm like, is my

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<v Speaker 1>eyesight getting worse or the light's getting brighter?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to remember my parents complaining about driving at night, right, like, yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, driving and that's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I used to be like, what are you talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it it's a little bit darker.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's darker. It's harder than the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, time it's fine and you can see. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm like, oh, I get it. Yeah, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like driving it, like I only drive at night

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<v Speaker 1>when I absolutely have to.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my mom my mom My mom says she won't

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<v Speaker 7>drive at night anymore at all, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I expect it, yeah, because like I'm when I'm driving

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<v Speaker 1>at night, it is just sort of like hoe I

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<v Speaker 1>don't crash.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, fully putting your life at risk.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like I cannot see.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's not just people with their highb on, no,

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<v Speaker 7>you know where it's like that's a whole other issues

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<v Speaker 7>exactly too bad. But it's like, all right, those are

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<v Speaker 7>people being inconsiderate. Yeah, the whole other issue. This is

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<v Speaker 7>just regular lights.

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<v Speaker 3>Regular issues, regular headlights.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it seems like everyone's headlights now are like those

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<v Speaker 1>really bright lights you would see when we first started

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<v Speaker 1>driving on like those pickup trucks that you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what type of who is this like for like off

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<v Speaker 1>roading that they would be using on like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like a normal street. It's like this is too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it feels like everyone that camera has those lights now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And then sometimes I'm like, you know, when I'm driving

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<v Speaker 4>my mom's car is kind of nudes a few years old.

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<v Speaker 4>Am I contributing to this? I don't even know how her.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the funny thing, right, because I like to say

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<v Speaker 1>what y'all doing? Yeah, but I never I've neveryone else

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<v Speaker 1>is this moment and not think.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be the case that like like no one

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<v Speaker 4>thinks it's them, yeah, of course, but or it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's great, Like, wow, these lights look fantastic for.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, like being able to see so yeah, like oh

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<v Speaker 1>am I blinding everybody, But I'm wondering, you know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like I guess it's great when you're driving when there

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<v Speaker 1>are no other cars, right, yeah, because that is true,

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<v Speaker 1>Like on I have experienced that on like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>driving a newer car versus an older car on like uh,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know streets like Ohio or upstate somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>there's no street, like you.

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<v Speaker 5>Hit the high beings and it's just exactly yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I can see the entire road, but then

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think about, oh yeah, what are the other

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<v Speaker 1>people who are seeing me coming at them? See, especially

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<v Speaker 1>like we're saying we're not even talking about hypings, we're

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about regular highway driving.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've all accepted the facts that we're just temporarily

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<v Speaker 4>blinding each other when we pass each other on the roads,

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<v Speaker 4>and that feels bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that's like it's everyone like I can't I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea where I'm going and I'm just following

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<v Speaker 1>the person in front of me and hopefully I don't crash,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we're all just like I'm like at first,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, it's just me being anxious, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like it's chill out like everyone else obviously can see

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<v Speaker 1>they're driving.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, not hundreds of accidents around me. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like a conspiracy, Like what does this concerted

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<v Speaker 4>effort to do brighter lights?

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<v Speaker 8>Where?

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<v Speaker 2>Why?

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<v Speaker 4>And then Yeah, I'm also wondering what like the danger

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<v Speaker 4>levels are, like the risk?

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<v Speaker 5>Have people been.

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<v Speaker 4>Hurt by this?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm curious to know if this is a US

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<v Speaker 7>issue or world wid like are we the only ones

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<v Speaker 7>suffering through this or in you know, in Europe and Asia?

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<v Speaker 7>What's it like over there because we're driving you know,

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<v Speaker 7>Japanese cars, Yeah exactly? Or are they making them different

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<v Speaker 7>for us versus over there?

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<v Speaker 8>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this legal?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>How is this legal? How is this legal? Is this legal?

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<v Speaker 3>Or are people like it? Are we dealing?

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<v Speaker 1>Like is the brightness of the lights just stock at

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<v Speaker 1>this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is everyone? Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not a car guy at all, So is

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<v Speaker 1>everyone just changing their headlights and making them super bright?

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm just not yeah like getting the upgrade? Yeah

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<v Speaker 7>exactly brightness?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I'm I'm gonna go buy some lights off

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon and you know, take it to the shop, Like

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<v Speaker 1>are people doing that or is this just like out

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<v Speaker 1>the box?

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<v Speaker 3>This is what the cars are coming with now.

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<v Speaker 1>Such after the break, we talked to someone who's been

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with car lighting ever since he was seven years old.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're back.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Noah Devin.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're trying to figure out why the hell headlights

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be so bright and why is there so

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<v Speaker 1>much glare when we're driving on the roads at night.

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<v Speaker 1>So I spoke with one of the industries leading car

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<v Speaker 1>lighting experts. So can I have you just start by

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<v Speaker 1>introducing yourself.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm Daniel Stern. I am the chief editor of Driving

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<v Speaker 8>Vision News, which is the global vehicle lighting world's technical

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<v Speaker 8>and trade journal of record.

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<v Speaker 1>He first realized his fascination with headlights when he was

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<v Speaker 1>seven years.

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<v Speaker 8>Old and my father was driving me somewhere after dark.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it was maybe like a like a musical presentation,

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<v Speaker 8>was in first or second grade, and he showed me

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<v Speaker 8>how there was a low beam for when there were

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<v Speaker 8>other cars around, and high beam for when the road

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<v Speaker 8>was clear, when it was empty.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was the root of it.

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<v Speaker 8>And then many years later I went off to school

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<v Speaker 8>in dark rainy Oregon at the University of Oregon, and

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<v Speaker 8>it seemed to me that I really could not see

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<v Speaker 8>as well as I thought I should be able to

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<v Speaker 8>when I was driving after dark, and so I started

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<v Speaker 8>sort of poking around into how headlamps work and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe how they don't work. Around that time, I made

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<v Speaker 8>my first trip to Europe and I saw that they

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<v Speaker 8>did a whole lot of things differently with car lighting,

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<v Speaker 8>and so the interest took hold, and I transferred to

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<v Speaker 8>the University of Michigan, where at that time, the University

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<v Speaker 8>of Michigan Transportation Research Institute had a terrific library full

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<v Speaker 8>of decades worth of research, not only about lighting, but

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<v Speaker 8>lighting was a lot of what they did, and so

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<v Speaker 8>I would spend hours in this library just systematically devouring

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<v Speaker 8>these decades worth of research, and then i'd take the

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<v Speaker 8>elevator up to the second or third floor and ask

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<v Speaker 8>questions of the researchers who were working up there. They

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<v Speaker 8>were very patient with me, and so that was sort

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<v Speaker 8>of my three year long independent study on vehicle lighting

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<v Speaker 8>right at one of the world's foremost research institutes.

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<v Speaker 1>For it, to be honest, I thought the solution air

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<v Speaker 1>would be pretty simple, just like turn down the LED

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<v Speaker 1>lights and then you'll get rid of glare. But after

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Daniel over the last couple of weeks, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out this issue is way more complicated than any

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<v Speaker 1>of us anticipated in and wide so complicated. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to know some of the recent advancements we've made of

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<v Speaker 1>car aliding technology.

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<v Speaker 8>Starting in nineteen forty, all vehicles in the United States

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<v Speaker 8>had what are called sealed beam headlamps.

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<v Speaker 1>There for our purposes, we'll fast forward to the nineties.

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<v Speaker 8>In the mid nineties, high intensity discharged headlamps came along.

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<v Speaker 8>Now you can have three times more light within the

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<v Speaker 8>headlight beam, and the light color was it had a

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<v Speaker 8>radical shift from sort of a warm white to a

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<v Speaker 8>cold white, a bluish white, and that started that There

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<v Speaker 8>was a spike in glare complaints when that happened, and

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<v Speaker 8>the official response was, yeah, you'll get used to it.

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<v Speaker 6>You're only noticing it because they look different. Just look

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<v Speaker 6>away from the glare.

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<v Speaker 8>And then in the early to mid two thousands, LEDs

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<v Speaker 8>advanced to the point where we could use them for headlamps,

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<v Speaker 8>and so headlamps once again grew brighter and bluer, and

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<v Speaker 8>the glare complaints spiked, and the same response sort of

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<v Speaker 8>came down. Yeah, you'll get used to it. It's not

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<v Speaker 8>really hurting out, you know, it's just just look away

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<v Speaker 8>from the glare.

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<v Speaker 3>And today our most headlamps led.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and new cars are pretty much all designed new

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<v Speaker 8>cars trucks as these new road going vehicles are pretty

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<v Speaker 8>much all designed with LED headlamps right from the start.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So for our question, why is headlight glayer

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<v Speaker 1>so bad? The first culprit LEDs. So the first question

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<v Speaker 1>I had for him is our LED lights just brighter?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? Is that the issue? The lights are just brighter?

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<v Speaker 1>So this may be, you know, a dumb and obvious question,

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<v Speaker 1>but our LED headlamps technically brighter.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's a little.

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<v Speaker 8>Difficult to answer that question has asked because this isn't

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<v Speaker 8>really when you say brighter and you think of it

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<v Speaker 8>in terms like you're in your dining room and you

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<v Speaker 8>turn the dimmer up or down to make the dining

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<v Speaker 8>table brighter or dimmer, this is a lot more complex

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<v Speaker 8>than that. A headlight beam isn't just a floodlight or

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<v Speaker 8>a spotlight that you know that is brighter or dimmer.

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<v Speaker 8>It's actually a very complex pattern of light with areas

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<v Speaker 8>defined by what are called test points. A test point

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<v Speaker 8>might have a minimum required intensity, a maximum required intensity,

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<v Speaker 8>or both, and a low beam in particular is super

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<v Speaker 8>complex because you need to have high intensity for the

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<v Speaker 8>driver to see far enough down the road right next

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<v Speaker 8>to low intensity to protect other drivers on the road

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<v Speaker 8>from glare.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm actually gonna share this video if you guess

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<v Speaker 1>that'll sort of exemplify what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, Great, because that didn't make any sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, when it's shining on the wall to a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit before, just like pause it on that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean trying to break in this down because I

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<v Speaker 1>know this is kind of hard to visualize, especially for

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast. But imagine you're shining your headlights in a

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<v Speaker 1>garage on a wall. You're probably thinking of something similar

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<v Speaker 1>to a flashlight, right, like pretty even light, maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more oval or rectangular, because these are headlamps

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<v Speaker 1>versus a flashlight. But that's not really the case. So

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<v Speaker 1>what do they actually look like? All right, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>imagine for a second and stick with me that you're

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<v Speaker 1>some abstract artists and you're painting Luigi Manngioni's latest mugshot.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you're an abstract artist, you're not just gonna draw

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<v Speaker 1>straight lines and fill on the eyebrows completely. Instead, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna put maybe a blob of paint here, maybe no

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<v Speaker 1>paint on this area of the eyebrow, maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of paint down below. And that's how the headlight

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<v Speaker 1>beam operates as well. There are parts in the beam

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<v Speaker 1>that have really intense light, and there are parts within

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<v Speaker 1>the beam that have almost no light at all. And

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<v Speaker 1>his varying degree of light intensity is really purposeful. The

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<v Speaker 1>headlight is designed so that the person driving has maximum

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<v Speaker 1>visibility but limiting the amount of light that's being thrown

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<v Speaker 1>to other people from oncoming traffic.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, so the gradient is like you're on one

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<v Speaker 4>side of the highway driving north, the other side of

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<v Speaker 4>the highways driving south, and the gradient is blocking people

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<v Speaker 4>who are going south from like being blinded by your

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<v Speaker 4>light exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because if it was all that intensity, it would

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<v Speaker 7>be really impossible to see.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's really very complex.

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<v Speaker 8>That said. Yes, in a word, yes, today's headlamps are

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<v Speaker 8>their higher intensity, They put a lot more light out,

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<v Speaker 8>They put out much wider beams.

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<v Speaker 1>For our purposes, we'll say they're brighter, although technically, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want I don't I don't want Daniel to

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<v Speaker 1>yell at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not so simple.

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<v Speaker 5>They're more intense.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that a good yes, Yeah, we'll say intense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if people be okay with that. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there's another reason why they appear so bright. You talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how with led lights it's more intensity from a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller I don't know with the technical term for it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like a smaller opening, right, it's coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>smaller space.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>The technical term is luminance, and in real simple words,

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<v Speaker 8>it means how right something looks. You can also think

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<v Speaker 8>of it as light density. If you have a certain

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<v Speaker 8>amount of light coming from a small area, uh, it's

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<v Speaker 8>going to look brighter than that very same amount of

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<v Speaker 8>light coming from a large area because that given amount

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<v Speaker 8>of light with a large area, it's spread over a

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<v Speaker 8>over a big surface, whereas with a small area it's

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<v Speaker 8>sort of condensed into a point instead of a large surface.

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<v Speaker 8>You can sort of you can think of it as

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<v Speaker 8>you say, you're putting a certain amount of water through

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<v Speaker 8>a hose.

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<v Speaker 6>If you have a.

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<v Speaker 8>Tiny little hole at the end of the nozzle you're

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<v Speaker 8>going to have like a jet stream.

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<v Speaker 6>You can you can powerwash.

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<v Speaker 8>Your driveway if if you have a big sort of

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<v Speaker 8>a big watering looks like the end of a watering can,

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<v Speaker 8>sprinkling end of a watering can, well you'll have a

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<v Speaker 8>nice sort of gentle rain shower, same amount of water,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's but it's behaving very differently and light does

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<v Speaker 8>the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really good visual way of thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. So that's the second reason why LED's a

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<v Speaker 1>pair rider is because the light.

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<v Speaker 3>Is coming from a smaller opening.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the last culprit is the color blue.

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<v Speaker 8>This is really interesting, actually, there's a lot of really

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<v Speaker 8>sturdy science showing that for any given intensity white light

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<v Speaker 8>that contains more blue creates much greater discomfort clayer than

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<v Speaker 8>light that has less blue. So with that on the table,

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<v Speaker 8>it's been found that just to put rough numbers on it,

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<v Speaker 8>if you have two headlamps that measure say a thousand candela,

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<v Speaker 8>the candela.

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<v Speaker 6>Being the measurement unit for intensity.

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<v Speaker 8>Two headlamps putting a thousand candela towards an oncoming driver's eyes.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the headlamps is a halogen lamp and it

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<v Speaker 8>has sort of a yellowish white, warm white light color.

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<v Speaker 8>The other headlamp is an LED. It has a cold white,

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<v Speaker 8>a bluish white light color. In order for those two

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<v Speaker 8>headlamps to feel the same to the oncoming driver in

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<v Speaker 8>terms of how they experience the glare, the halogen headlamp

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<v Speaker 8>would have to be producing at least sixteen hundred candela

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<v Speaker 8>to match the feeling of glare created by the LED headlamp.

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<v Speaker 8>And the kicker of that is the sort of the punchline,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe it's a punch in the gut or a punch

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<v Speaker 8>in the eyes, is that you don't get sixty percent

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<v Speaker 8>better seeing with the bluer light. You don't get any

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<v Speaker 8>better seeing with the bluer light. You just get you

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<v Speaker 8>do have a sort of a feeling as though it's brighter,

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<v Speaker 8>and you have this much greater sensation of glare caused

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<v Speaker 8>by the bluer light.

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<v Speaker 1>This was really crazy to me, right, because our eyes

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<v Speaker 1>are more sensitive to blue light, so it appears brighter

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<v Speaker 1>to us, but it actually doesn't help us see any better,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it just causes more glare when we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, so then why why do we have them?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it looks cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's recap for LEDs. Yes, they're more powerful than

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<v Speaker 1>previous headlamps. They are here to be brighter because they're

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<v Speaker 1>coming from smaller openings.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we got blue, which creates more glayer. And

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<v Speaker 1>it also brings us to our second culprit, which is

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<v Speaker 1>called headlight.

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<v Speaker 3>Aim hhmm you know what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't want to be headlight aim.

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<v Speaker 4>I can guess if you want.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I guess.

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<v Speaker 4>I've noticed some headlights have like lids on them, all right.

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<v Speaker 7>Is it like the direct spot where it's most intense

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<v Speaker 7>closer closer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you guys didn't do the research.

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<v Speaker 5>What I looked like a car lighting specialist, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we talked about blue. We talked about how people

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<v Speaker 1>like the look of the blue lights.

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<v Speaker 8>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people with older cars will go out

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<v Speaker 1>and buy LED light bulbs and put them in their

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<v Speaker 1>older cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember that with like James Bond movies, they made

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<v Speaker 4>it a point for blue lights in the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Blue lights, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Daniel said, there's a very big problem with this,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the LED lights are not designed to go

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<v Speaker 1>in these older cars.

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<v Speaker 8>You can go on Amazon eBay. You can walk into

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<v Speaker 8>parts stores all over the place you can buy these

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<v Speaker 8>LED bulbs claiming to update your halogen headlamps. In the

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<v Speaker 8>United States, the major brands market them with a nudge

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<v Speaker 8>in a wink, saying, you know, these are only for

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<v Speaker 8>fog lamps. Don't put them in your headlamps, right because

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<v Speaker 8>fog light bulbs are not regulated in the United States

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<v Speaker 8>where head light bulbs are. Of course, fog lamps and

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<v Speaker 8>headlamps use a lot of the same types of bulbs,

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<v Speaker 8>and people are you know, people put them in their

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<v Speaker 8>head lamps and they think, oh, hey, well now I've

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<v Speaker 8>got led headlamps.

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<v Speaker 6>And look how bright they are. It's a different kind

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<v Speaker 6>of legs.

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<v Speaker 8>It's very much like putting on somebody else's eyeglasses. You

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<v Speaker 8>might find someone else's eyeglasses that look terrific on your face,

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<v Speaker 8>but because the lenses are not for your eyes, you're

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<v Speaker 8>not going to see properly, and you're going to give

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<v Speaker 8>yourself a headache and you're going to injure your eyes

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<v Speaker 8>doing it. So in the same way, you put LED

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<v Speaker 8>bulbs in a halogen headlamp, you might think they look

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<v Speaker 8>terrific and they have that blue white appearance just like

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<v Speaker 8>the newer cars, and you might even think you can

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<v Speaker 8>see better, but in fact the light distribution is all

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<v Speaker 8>screwed up. You've got way too much light in places

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<v Speaker 8>where that's dangerous, you've got not enough light in places

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<v Speaker 8>where that's dangerous. And most of all, you've got a

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<v Speaker 8>whole lot more glare. So and it's very poorly policed

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<v Speaker 8>in most of North America. So you know, these things

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<v Speaker 8>widely available and nobody's giving tickets. Well, yeah, that's a

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<v Speaker 8>major source of glare.

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<v Speaker 3>On the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Back on this alignment bit, right, so people are getting

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<v Speaker 1>bulbs that aren't meant for their cars. Is there also

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<v Speaker 1>just an issue with alignment period with people who have

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<v Speaker 1>led headlamps initially, very much so.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's not just with people who have legitimate lab headlamps.

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<v Speaker 8>Headlamp aim is, by a giant margin, the primary main

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<v Speaker 8>determinant not only of how well the driver can see,

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<v Speaker 8>but how much glear they're throwing around. And headlamps, as

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<v Speaker 8>they have evolved over the last five six decades, as

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<v Speaker 8>they've grown more and more intense, they've grown more and

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<v Speaker 8>more sensitive to miss aim.

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<v Speaker 1>This could be from something small like say you have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people in your car, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the car shifts a little bit, so not the lights aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly where you're supposed to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be from when you're driving, if you hit

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<v Speaker 1>a bump, if the road is angled a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could be something that you know over time,

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<v Speaker 1>your headlights shift.

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<v Speaker 8>In the past. You know, a headlamp of the nineteen

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<v Speaker 8>sixties or seventies, maybe eighties, if it was aimed you know,

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<v Speaker 8>a degree or two this way or that can't really

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<v Speaker 8>exert a huge change in the amount of light that

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<v Speaker 8>the driver had to see on the road or the

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<v Speaker 8>amount of glare they.

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<v Speaker 6>Were throwing around. Might look a little brighter.

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<v Speaker 8>As it passes you, but it's still a low beam headline.

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<v Speaker 8>But a modern headlight beam which is very wide and

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<v Speaker 8>has a sharp cut off at the top.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the low beam, where below this.

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<v Speaker 8>Cutoff line is very high intensity and above the cut

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<v Speaker 8>off line is low intensity is dark. Low beams have

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<v Speaker 8>such high intensity below that cutoff, the low beam aimed

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<v Speaker 8>a degree or to too high could easily qualify as

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<v Speaker 8>a high beam.

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<v Speaker 1>But that explains why we were saying. When the first

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<v Speaker 1>time we talked right it felt like, why are people

0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 1>driving around with their high beams on. Right, It's like, oh, no,

0:23:42.920 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>they're not. Their alignment is just off and the low

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.199
<v Speaker 1>beam now is you know, so much more advanced than

0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it was in the past that it feels like people

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:51.960
<v Speaker 1>have their high beams on when they're driving at you.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, this is this is nuts. That's huge because I

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<v Speaker 4>had no faith in humanity.

0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 3>Really thought everyone was just driving around.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought people were just like their eyesight was getting

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<v Speaker 4>worse to something and they're just ripping the lights on

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<v Speaker 4>like every time.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what it felt like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, feels like headlight aim is not part of the

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<v Speaker 1>inspection process. So when you go get your car inspected,

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 1>headlight aim is not something that they're checking.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, the the aim is super important, and unfortunately it

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 8>is almost impossible in North America. We just don't pay

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 8>attention to headlight aim. It's almost impossible anywhere in North America.

0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:35.680
<v Speaker 8>Even if you're standing there with a fistful of cash

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<v Speaker 8>and saying, somebody, take my money and aim my head

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<v Speaker 8>lamps correctly, it's really hard to get it done.

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<v Speaker 5>People had to auto shop aren't trained for that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's a really request exactly, at least in the US.

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<v Speaker 4>And some states you don't get your car inspected at all,

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 4>like the Great State of Ohio.

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 1>That's why people get uh, the car is registrated in Ohio, right,

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 1>the shitty cars really?

0:24:57.680 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So to recap, because led have lamps have such

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.440
<v Speaker 1>a small margin of error before they create a ton

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:14.000
<v Speaker 1>of glare, alignment is super important. But in the US

0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 1>this is not something we traditionally care about. And then, lastly,

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>so our last rezone. Why is glare more intense now

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:24.639
<v Speaker 1>than it seems like it used to be?

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<v Speaker 3>Part of it is.

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<v Speaker 8>Us as we get older, and this is really unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 8>This really sucks. As we get older, we need a

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 8>lot more light to see any given thing, and at

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 8>the same time, we get a whole lot more sensitive

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 8>to glare.

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<v Speaker 6>So when we're.

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 8>Sixty, we need about triple the light that we needed

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 8>when we were twenty to see any given thing under

0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:52.720
<v Speaker 8>any given conditions at night, and we are massively more

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 8>sensitive to glare. So, you know, if only one of

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 8>those two things were true, it would be really easy

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.160
<v Speaker 8>to fix. But both of them are true, and so

0:26:02.800 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 8>if you address the one thing, you aggravate the other.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're more sensitive to light, yes, and need more,

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 5>I need it more. Yes, it's not a good place

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 5>to be.

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>Is not a good place going to be.

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 1>This dichotomy sort of speaks to the really, really tough

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 1>situation that the United States federal government finds itself in

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 1>right now. They have to balance people seeing with also

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:34.400
<v Speaker 1>thinking about lair, which makes it harder for people to see.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was curious, like, are is somebody working on this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, someone in the Trump illustration, like going to

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<v Speaker 1>create a rule that your headlights can be only but

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:48.199
<v Speaker 1>so bright because you know there's so much claire in

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>it's causing a huge issue.

0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 3>And he said that something like.

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>Lair is both hard to define and then also hard

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<v Speaker 1>to make.

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<v Speaker 8>Rules for the fact is this is this is not

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<v Speaker 8>symmetrical safety situation. Yes, glare can be unsafe, absolutely no

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 8>debate about that, and reach sure can be uncomfortable, but.

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 6>It's not a one to one thing.

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 8>Unfortunately, up to a fairly large degree, more light from

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:21.239
<v Speaker 8>the headlights means better safety, means less likelihood of a crash.

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:24.840
<v Speaker 8>So let me sort of address how this knot is tied.

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<v Speaker 8>I think Unfortunately, for a long time, particularly in North America,

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.680
<v Speaker 8>there's been a tendency for the official response to glare

0:27:32.720 --> 0:27:35.320
<v Speaker 8>complaints to be you'll get used to it or you won't,

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 8>but just look away from it, just deal with it,

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 8>grate your teeth. It's not actually a safety thing. We

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:42.679
<v Speaker 8>think glair is bad on principle, we're going to regulate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Can't do that in North America.

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<v Speaker 8>You have to say, well, here is concrete proof of

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 8>the costs of glare in terms of the crashes that

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 8>it actually causes, and so can we can regulate to

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 8>the degree necessary to countervail those costs and that damage.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 8>It's essentially impossible, and so that's why we have so

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 8>much less regulation of headlight glayer in North America than

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 8>they have in Europe and in Asia and Australia and

0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.639
<v Speaker 8>other countries that use a different regulatory system.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have not addressed this glare because there's not

0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of concrete sort of numbers that we have

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that glare cause x amount of accidents. Therefore we need

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<v Speaker 1>to address it by doing this.

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly right.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 8>But it gets a lot more interesting than that, because

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 8>for most of the twentieth century from the dawn of

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 8>electric headlights on cars. Europe had much more stringent glare

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 8>control than the United States did.

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<v Speaker 1>Can Europe actually save us? We'll find out after the

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>break in Europe they have much more stringent their controls. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so here's three things that Europe does that we do

0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>not do. Number one, so their headlight aim is much

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>lower than ours.

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<v Speaker 8>You're in your Honda Civic, You're in your Chevrolet Corvette.

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:45.640
<v Speaker 8>You're in You're in a car. Well behind you is

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:49.600
<v Speaker 8>a pickup trucker, an suv, and it's head lamps are right,

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 8>and they're way up in the air, and they're right

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 8>even with your car's mirrors. Yeah, you're gonna get blasted.

0:29:57.480 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 8>The rest of world regulations do two things to address that.

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<v Speaker 8>You can't you can't completely cure it because this is

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 8>just physics.

0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some cars are taller than others.

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 8>Some cars are taller than others. The regulations in the

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 8>rest of the world do two things to limit that.

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 8>They have a lower maximum headlamp mounting hype and they

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 8>say if you have a headlamp that is mounted higher,

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 8>it must be aimed lower. Whereas in the American regulation,

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:31.200
<v Speaker 8>the maximum mounting height is higher, which automakers like because

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, big tough trucks and SUVs, and any given

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 8>headlamp gets aimed the same, whether it's way up high

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 8>on a forward exclusion or way down low on uh,

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 8>you know, on a corvette.

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Number two, So inspections in Europe they have headlight aim

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.920
<v Speaker 1>as part of that process, you know we talked about

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>in the US, we don't do that.

0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 8>They have periodic vehicle inspections that include headlamp aim and adjustment.

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 8>The cars with high output headlamps have leveling systems to

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 8>compensate at least for vehicle loading, and the fancier systems

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:11.719
<v Speaker 8>compensate for irregularities in the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And in number three, they have this magical system called ADB.

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 5>ADB a dB.

0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 3>What is ADB, you.

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 4>May be asking, Am I am actually a dirty bastard?

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>ADB Adaptive driving Beam has been around for it's getting

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 8>on for two decades now in Europe. A good ADB

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 8>system can give the driver thirty meters about one hundred

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 8>feet greater seeing distance without more glare than a low beam,

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 8>which is a huge accomplishment. I mean, that's you know,

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:54.480
<v Speaker 8>the problem has always been that low beams don't give

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 8>long enough seeing distance for the speeds that people actually drive,

0:31:57.800 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 8>so we overdrive our low beams and we hit things,

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.000
<v Speaker 8>while high beams produce way too much clear for use

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 8>in traffic, and so ADB adaptive driving beam meekly resolves

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:10.600
<v Speaker 8>that problem to a great degree.

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:11.320
<v Speaker 6>And for those who.

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.160
<v Speaker 8>Don't know what ADB does is it takes that high

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 8>beam pattern and it puts dark spots and slices in it,

0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 8>following the locations of other road users' eyes.

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, Okay, so there's a if there's an oncoming car,

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 1>it'll try to limit the amount of light that's going

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>into that oncoming drivers.

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:33.680
<v Speaker 6>Hot, that's exactly right.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.959
<v Speaker 4>Listen to the lengths that Europeans go through to just

0:32:41.000 --> 0:32:44.640
<v Speaker 4>like have like basic care about each other. It's so crazy.

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 1>This kind of blew my mind when I found out

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>this was a thing that existed, especially because we talked

0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>so much about clear Obviously, he said there's some limitations

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>to it. Yeah, if you get in a city and

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>there's just cars everywhere, Yeah, there's only so much it

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 1>can do, and there's you know, then it.

0:32:58.560 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 3>Just results back to the lot.

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 1>But I was like, oh, this is really interesting because

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a combination, but it also reduces glare. It seems

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>like best case scenario, right, It's like you get as

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 1>much visibility as possible, but you're also not obstructing other

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 1>people driving.

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.320
<v Speaker 3>It used to be.

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Just in high end cars, but now it's in you know,

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>like the version of a camera essentially, so it's in

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>all all the cars. We do not have this technology

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>in the US, So.

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 7>This isn't it's not like a regulation, is it, Like,

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 7>do they need to have it?

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 3>It's optional.

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, But because it's so, but it's common, yeah, yeah,

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 7>I mean why not.

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 4>So if you're, for example, Toyota and you're making the

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 4>same fucking car, but one of them is going to

0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 4>Europe and ones going to the US, they're like actively

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>keeping ADB in the European one and not in the

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 4>American one.

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>So I looked into it, and this is true. We

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>have cars in the US that have ADB functionality, but

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>it's been disabled. As people have been complaining about glare,

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>there's been a growing movement in the US to get ADB.

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 5>ADB movement in or version of ADB in the US.

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 8>The US devises and promulgates its own regulations, which are

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 8>in many cases quite different to the rest of world regulation.

0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 8>When it looked like ADB was going to gain traction

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 8>and be a thing, NITSA went to the Society of

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.360
<v Speaker 8>Automotive Engineers.

0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:34.279
<v Speaker 1>So the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration otherwise known as

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.080
<v Speaker 1>NITSA told this group, hey, translate to European ADB for

0:34:38.280 --> 0:34:40.960
<v Speaker 1>US regulations. And the group was able to do it

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 1>in record time.

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:46.120
<v Speaker 8>And NITSA said, yeah, thanks, but psych we're not going

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 8>to use that. And then things got really interesting.

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>So here's what we get to President Biden in his

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure bail, which eventually became an infrastructural law, Congress tilled NITZA, Hey,

0:34:59.200 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 1>actually you need to adapt this ADB system that that

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 1>group put together. Is this actually Joe Biden's legacy instead

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>of the stubborn old man who refused to drop out

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:11.720
<v Speaker 1>when it was clear that he shouldn't be running anymore,

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>can he be the president who saves us from headline

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Blair turns out Now NITA said they're not going to

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:22.400
<v Speaker 1>use that system.

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 8>We're instead we are going to devise our own standard.

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 1>And they are saying we're not going to do it

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>because actually we have a version that is more stringent

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>than the version that you guys found off on. So

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Okay, more stringent, So yeah, maybe it's

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>even better. Sure, you know, we do a lot of

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>things better over here exactly, so maybe we're going to

0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>have a better version.

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:52.560
<v Speaker 8>It exerts requirements that don't exist in terms of system design, construction,

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 8>and testing it in the rest of the world regulation,

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 8>and so it makes for a more expensive of less

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 8>performance system.

0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:05.880
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that they're thinking that their system is

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>better because it is more restrictive, but you're saying that

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.359
<v Speaker 1>what they're proposing is not going to reduce GLAR more

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 1>than the Euro version.

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<v Speaker 6>It's actually going to do.

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<v Speaker 8>It can't because the sort of a key difference is

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<v Speaker 8>that the rest of world system says that the shadows

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<v Speaker 8>for other drivers on the road that the system creates

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<v Speaker 8>shall be as dark as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>The US specification says you.

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<v Speaker 8>May not make that shadow any less intense then a

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<v Speaker 8>regular static lo being would be at that same point

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<v Speaker 8>in the beam. So if the other driver or the

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<v Speaker 8>other road user happens to be in front of your

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 8>car in a location where a regular lo being would

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<v Speaker 8>be very intense, well there's still going to be very intense.

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<v Speaker 8>It will be less intense than it would be from

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<v Speaker 8>a high beam, but it'll still be very intense because

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<v Speaker 8>it's as though it's a full intensity.

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<v Speaker 1>LOWBOO is the baseline in the US version of what

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<v Speaker 1>they're proposing here, that's right. I can't do anything less

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<v Speaker 1>than that, whereas in the europe system, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get as close to as dark as possible.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right.

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<v Speaker 8>Maybe NITSA looked at everything and had a good reason

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<v Speaker 8>for deciding that the US needs a different ADB system

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<v Speaker 8>that that does not reduce glare as much and is

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<v Speaker 8>more expensive to make.

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<v Speaker 1>I reached out to NISA for comment, but they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>respond because it's going to be more expensive and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems like not as effective. It doesn't seem like automakers

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<v Speaker 1>are going to voluntarily adapt the system in the US

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<v Speaker 1>anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I think I think we will see it.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, and the first US system is on the road.

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<v Speaker 6>The Rivian has it, Okay, I don't know anything.

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<v Speaker 8>About the the how how good the performance might be

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 8>of that system by having driven it, so I definitely

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<v Speaker 8>think it will be offered on premium, high end vehicles

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<v Speaker 8>at a high cost. I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>filter down to the popular priced vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one is. He doesn't have much hope for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's another curve ball, what's what next run. Even

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>in places like Europe that have ADB and you know,

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>think about glare a lot more than we do in

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the US, glare complaints are still going up.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow, this is a gut punch.

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<v Speaker 2>This is.

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<v Speaker 4>This is hard to hear. So they've got all these precautions,

0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 4>all these regulations and all these stipulations are still and

0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 4>people still feel like we feel.

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<v Speaker 8>The fact that glare complaints, headlight glare complaints are up

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<v Speaker 8>all over the world, even in countries with stringent glare

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<v Speaker 8>controls and leaving ADB aside for the moment, because it's

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<v Speaker 8>it's still most cars still just have low even HIGHBI

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:13.960
<v Speaker 8>all over the world. The fact that the glare complaints

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 8>are increasing, both here in North America where we don't

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 8>care about controlling glare, and in Europe and Australia and

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 8>Japan and all these other countries where they do, that

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<v Speaker 8>tells me that it's probably down to aspects that are

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 8>not regulated anywhere in the world, which is luminance driven

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 8>by headlight size and color, which say the bluer.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you had the wave of magic wand that

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<v Speaker 1>it is its first two things you're addressing. You're you're

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<v Speaker 1>changing the color of the headlands, and you're you're making

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<v Speaker 1>a rule about luminance.

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<v Speaker 8>Ooh, that's a tough question. I often think about it

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.280
<v Speaker 8>in those very terms. What you know, how many wishes

0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 8>do I get with this magic wand before it burns out?

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's it's a really tough call.

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<v Speaker 6>If I only get one.

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 8>But if if I only get one, then it really

0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.720
<v Speaker 8>has to be. I wave the magic wand and poof

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 8>all cars headlamps are aimed correctly and kept that way

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<v Speaker 8>no matter what.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Now if you start to tell me I have two.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.399
<v Speaker 1>Or three, you'll give you three.

0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 6>Okay, great, all right?

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 8>So that was that was That was my first one

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 8>that you know, I waved the magic wand once poof

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<v Speaker 8>all vehicles have their headlamps aimed correctly and they stay

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<v Speaker 8>that way.

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<v Speaker 6>No matter what. Ye two and three.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they're probably going to be a limit on luminants,

0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 8>which is going to mean headlamps have to get bigger again.

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.359
<v Speaker 8>They can no longer be this you know, tiny little

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.000
<v Speaker 8>strip of light or tiny little you know, three dots

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 8>of light and uh, sort of roll back this this

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 8>incessant trend towards bluer.

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 6>Light, get a get a warmer white light color.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked him where do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 3>We just screwed.

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>He compared it to kind of like pollution and the

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 1>evolution that I had right, Like, pollution was bad for

0:41:00.160 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>a while and then eventually people are like this kind

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 1>of sucks.

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 3>We don't want to live this way.

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was enough of a ground spell and

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>then things started to change. But he's like, you got

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>to be careful with this stuff because it's not a

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 1>simple solution. And a lot of people think glare is

0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>so easy to solve, just do X, but it's not

0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>science backed. He says, science is slow and incremental. You're

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.359
<v Speaker 1>not going to have change overnight, right, so, and you

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:28.240
<v Speaker 1>need to make sure to change that you were asking

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:31.680
<v Speaker 1>for actually backed by science, not motion based.

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 8>And yes, glare is infuriating. It's infuriating. You can't get

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:37.000
<v Speaker 8>in the car and go to the grocery store for

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.200
<v Speaker 8>a carton of ice cream without getting assaulted by headlight.

0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 6>Claire, that is infuriating.

0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 8>And it you know, you spend time on Facebook or

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 8>Reddit or wherever, and you want to vent and you

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.360
<v Speaker 8>want a rant, and it's easy to get on side

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:54.719
<v Speaker 8>with these charlatans, and they wind up sort of using

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:56.840
<v Speaker 8>up all the oxygen in the room and polluting the

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 8>discussion space. I want to make it really clear that

0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:03.799
<v Speaker 8>light clear is real. Yeah, it is a problem. It

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 8>is a very complex problem because about all these moving

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 8>parts and real lives are at stake no matter which

0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:10.759
<v Speaker 8>way you go.

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:13.720
<v Speaker 6>But I am.

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 8>Optimistic because I see political will developing. I see groups

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 8>of respectable scientists really thinking about the problem in ways

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:26.840
<v Speaker 8>that they haven't before. And so I mean, leaving aside

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.200
<v Speaker 8>the fact that we're at the start of at least

0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 8>a four year period where regulators and regulatory agencies are

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 8>are on the chopping block and scientists are likely to

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:41.960
<v Speaker 8>be muzzled, leaving that aside for the moment, if we

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 8>can sort of carve out that luxury, I am optimistic.

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean it's interesting just kind of honing in on

0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 7>the why don't we just make them yellow lights instead?

0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:58.080
<v Speaker 7>Like I do wonder if that's just a kind of

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:00.840
<v Speaker 7>a taste thing that could seems like the most realistic

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 7>thing to actually change like based on just habits or

0:43:04.239 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 7>taste where people might think it's cool and retro even

0:43:07.320 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 7>to have like that more natural light thing. So maybe

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 7>just out of that more than the safety glare issue.

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, they're shooting the new fast and fears now right,

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.439
<v Speaker 1>call it then, Diesel. Yeah, let's tell them, Hey, man,

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>for these l eds, we need to We're gonna do

0:43:26.440 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>some yellow light shit, get the kids thinking that yellow

0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:29.840
<v Speaker 1>is cool again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's your point.

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I would love to make yellow cool again.

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's how we change things.

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<v Speaker 5>Up Fast eleven or twelve, whatever it is.

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know which.

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 5>Were they might be. Yeah, I think it's eleven.

0:43:44.000 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 3>When they were just like, well, we're gonna shoot this

0:43:45.680 --> 0:43:46.239
<v Speaker 3>in La now.

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