Speaker 1: Immediately after that game in locker room, it was shocked,
Speaker 1: Why did we not run it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that was what everybody was thinking.
Speaker 1: Was that was that everyone's mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he still thinks. I think that's one.
Speaker 2: He would probably never say that, but I did. I
Speaker 2: bet in his head a little bit there, Like he
Speaker 2: wonders if what happened if you just ran the ball? Right?
Speaker 2: I think most likely could did two quarterback sneaks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That sorry that I'm thankful that they ran.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack
Speaker 1: and Kyler, and we are on the mission to find
Speaker 1: the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode,
Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen NFC Championship game between the Green Bay
Speaker 1: Packers and the Seattle Seahawks, with eleven year NFL VET
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion, three time Pro bowler and former teammate
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett, we get into talking the story behind his
Speaker 1: pads or lack thereof.
Speaker 2: And my show up pass are super small. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: it though, you know, everybody'd be like, how'd you even
Speaker 2: every game? They'd be like, like, I don't care about
Speaker 2: to knock somebody out.
Speaker 1: His fight with Rob Gronkowski in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh not just like man, they won, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, let's fight.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, And what it's like to
Speaker 1: play for Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick and Seattle.
Speaker 2: They never really called out like Russell on certain things,
Speaker 2: but like, but Bill will call talk him out on everything.
Speaker 2: How's a guy who's been the MVP four times? This
Speaker 2: fucking route right here, and you're just back there like
Speaker 2: dam going off with Tom Brady right now, and.
Speaker 1: Then we hit the old hot line. You gotta stick
Speaker 1: around to the very end. Let's go Games with Names
Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartRadio. January eighteenth, twenty fifteen, Century
Speaker 1: League Field, Seattle, Washington, but.
Speaker 2: Back to back Super Bowls on the line. Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: throws a pick down two scores with five minutes.
Speaker 1: The Packers have a ninety nine point three percent probability
Speaker 1: to win. So you're telling me there's a chance, there's
Speaker 1: always a chance.
Speaker 2: This is the.
Speaker 1: Twenty four NFC Championship game. Yeah, it's so hard to
Speaker 1: explain a football, American football game to someone who's never
Speaker 1: seen it, like international. Yeah, because I have a couple
Speaker 1: of people that you know, you have these international friends
Speaker 1: you meet and they're like, oh, football, what is that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you guys stop every play. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's very strategic. You gotta get ten yards and
Speaker 1: four tries.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The ball exchange when kicking is always confusing to them.
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: They don't understand nothing. You try to get them.
Speaker 1: Like it has grown though.
Speaker 2: I'll get confused on rugby too because I don't understand it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, but why would you want to get hit
Speaker 2: like that? How much are they paying? Like that doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense.
Speaker 1: Don't they make money in other countries though Rugby like Australian, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they gotta make money.
Speaker 2: You're always like looking at the four of yourself like like, damn,
Speaker 2: I should have been a race.
Speaker 1: Car driver, bro, I don't know if you could fit
Speaker 1: in a race.
Speaker 2: No, but it had been the first. You know, they
Speaker 2: would have to make it for me because everything's changing.
Speaker 2: You got to make everything for everybody. And like I
Speaker 2: could sue them because they don't have the right size
Speaker 2: car for my body, Like it could be a whole thing,
Speaker 2: force my way into that.
Speaker 1: It's a weight thing.
Speaker 3: Soon Nascar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just doing d I could just just do it.
Speaker 2: I could literally just du my way right to the top,
Speaker 2: Like I could come in last and just be like,
Speaker 2: but it's for tall people. I'm the first tall person
Speaker 2: to come in last place in NASCAR. Like I'm in
Speaker 2: the history books.
Speaker 1: Freaking the Bennetts. I mean, this is the kind of
Speaker 1: ship that Marty was saying the offensive team meeting. When
Speaker 1: we're about to go, like the AFC Championship, Marty would
Speaker 1: be like, have a random thought just like that. So
Speaker 1: it's it's hereditary.
Speaker 2: It's hereditary. But I was I was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I should have been a NASCAR like looking at Lois Hamilton, like,
Speaker 2: man eighty five a year, that's that sounds pretty good.
Speaker 1: Well that's not an ASCAR Formula one. Yeah, those guys
Speaker 1: make a lot. All right, let's get it started. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Games with Names. Today we are talking the twenty
Speaker 1: fourteen NFC Championship between the Packers and the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the studio, Michael Bennett.
Speaker 2: Nice to be here, man, This is a nice studio,
Speaker 2: though I don't think people were real live high nice.
Speaker 1: Actually it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is it's like you're surrounded by wood right now.
Speaker 2: It feels very warm.
Speaker 1: You know, if that comes from you a man who's
Speaker 1: in architectural digest school, he's got furniture companies. I mean
Speaker 1: it means I'm doing something.
Speaker 2: Now, you're doing something right, beat to a lot of
Speaker 2: athletes's houses, and like sometime like just because you got money,
Speaker 2: don't mean you got taste. You know, we'll take it.
Speaker 1: Well, the nuthouses got taste, That's right, the definitely got taste,
Speaker 1: all right. So in one sentence, why did you pick
Speaker 1: this game?
Speaker 2: I would say maybe one word grit. I think it
Speaker 2: was a gritty game because sometimes and as you know,
Speaker 2: those championship games, like when you guys play the Falcons,
Speaker 2: like it was like that on don't know why you
Speaker 2: can win that game? Is true grit because it takes everything.
Speaker 2: A lot of times people get into those moments where
Speaker 2: the game just seems very impossible and you're just kind
Speaker 2: of looking around at your teammates and looking like looking
Speaker 2: at who's going to give up? You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And like every once in a while you look around
Speaker 2: and you're like nobody's giving up, And then like that
Speaker 2: become the most grittiest moments in the game. Those are
Speaker 2: games that you really remember grit.
Speaker 1: That's that's probably one of the best one sentence answers
Speaker 1: that we've gotten on.
Speaker 2: This hands down.
Speaker 1: That's a football freaking answer. Now, it is just the
Speaker 1: greatest game of all time.
Speaker 2: Nah, not the greatest game of all time. Maybe my
Speaker 2: greatest game of all time. But there's been so many
Speaker 2: great I don't think there is one great greatest game
Speaker 2: of football because I feel like football is constantly changing
Speaker 2: and things like at one point, you know, the people
Speaker 2: who were would make the Hall of Fame in the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties win make the team now, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like the game is changing and evolving, and
Speaker 2: like there's just more beautiful moments that keep happening. You know,
Speaker 2: sometimes it's purely office and it's purely defense. It feels
Speaker 2: like more football is like these years, more offense than
Speaker 2: it is defense. You know, Like there's so many great games,
Speaker 2: Like you look at Patrick Mahomes last year. It's just
Speaker 2: every game changes, and I think it just happens. I
Speaker 2: don't know there's no one great game of football because
Speaker 2: the game of football is just great by itself.
Speaker 1: Another great answer but I did hear one thing. Last
Speaker 1: ten years, eight of the top eight of the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champions had top five defenses.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's important. I think people overlook defense.
Speaker 1: Hey, defense wins championship.
Speaker 2: That's right, baby, Offense score ports. But you gotta have
Speaker 2: somebody to stop it.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta make one stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the point of having a big pool with
Speaker 2: a big ass leak.
Speaker 1: What's the point of having a big pool with the
Speaker 1: big ass league.
Speaker 2: You jump in that bitch and but your head wide
Speaker 2: open like that.
Speaker 1: No, water is like blood sport. You can make it
Speaker 1: a fighting thing.
Speaker 2: Now remember that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh A love that fighted the pools that are half done.
Speaker 2: And kickboxing when he was kicking that tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw some chick doing that. I think she
Speaker 1: was in Russia, from Russia or something. Those Russians are crazy, man.
Speaker 2: People don't really give Joue club down, his his his
Speaker 2: his his props. Like well, like all these action movie stars,
Speaker 2: like this guy was doing his own action movie. Like
Speaker 2: this guy was like every movie back in the nineteen
Speaker 2: eighties and early nineteen nineties, Like you know, like you
Speaker 2: watching it movies with him. Time cop, like I love
Speaker 2: time Cop Double Impact Man Double Impact, and then the
Speaker 2: one where he was, uh, he was going on that
Speaker 2: trip and he and he was fighting, and then he
Speaker 2: had the he stole a guy's name in New York
Speaker 2: in like nineteen nineteen or something that Time Cop. No, No,
Speaker 2: it's not Time Cop. It's the one where they were, like,
Speaker 2: I can't even think of the name of it right now.
Speaker 2: I might have to text you about it. That's not
Speaker 2: Double Impact. No, it's the one where they were there
Speaker 2: was a championship. They had to win that thing, that championship,
Speaker 2: and he got he stole something. They left him in
Speaker 2: Thailand and he learned how to fight the kickboxer. No,
Speaker 2: it's not Kickboxer. Same premise, though they are. I they were.
Speaker 2: My favorite movie about him was Cyborg, though.
Speaker 1: I liked Universal Soldiers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I forgot about Universe soci Yeah, I was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like we need to give him, so give him
Speaker 2: his props because.
Speaker 1: Like he was flexible, freaking yoked. Yeah, he could do
Speaker 1: all them. There was. Every one of those movies had
Speaker 1: at least a ten to fifteen minute montage of him
Speaker 1: doing some kind of like split freaking like kung fu type,
Speaker 1: like leisure full I don't even know what it's called,
Speaker 1: but that crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: But you don't speculate it. You don't even watch it
Speaker 2: for the language or the talking or the script. You
Speaker 2: just like he whooping the ass in the fake and
Speaker 2: then the double double, the double kick where he like
Speaker 2: do kick two people at one time?
Speaker 1: He and the split.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that one, that one.
Speaker 1: I mean he did it in like at least six
Speaker 1: of them loved.
Speaker 2: It that movie. Yeah, he should have been in UFC,
Speaker 2: but I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, those guys will choke them out.
Speaker 2: No, But the other guy was like him too though,
Speaker 2: but he people forgot about that guy too, the guy from.
Speaker 1: Canada, Saint Pierre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a monster.
Speaker 2: He was a monster, but he didn't Unfortunately he didn't
Speaker 2: catch a big part of the time when money was
Speaker 2: like a big part of it. No, it was still new,
Speaker 2: it was still knew, Like Conor McGregor, like he made
Speaker 2: so much money because like.
Speaker 1: A huge thing that catapulted in the UFC. Though he
Speaker 1: was like one of the first real big superstars of it.
Speaker 1: Dana come on and talk about it, and he was
Speaker 1: loving that up. I mean, I know they have their things,
Speaker 1: but like he's very appreciative of Connor because of his
Speaker 1: world's success. So clearly nowadays your daily life schedules watching
Speaker 1: a lot of fighting. You're a big fighting faniced today
Speaker 1: looked like now that you are retired. Average day, average day,
Speaker 1: what are you doing these days?
Speaker 2: Average day? I wake up, make myself a a barista,
Speaker 2: coffee myself, got my own coffee machine, get my own beas.
Speaker 1: What's the coffee?
Speaker 2: I like this one? I got this one from Columbia.
Speaker 2: I was just in Columbia.
Speaker 1: Now as an expressive is it a coffee?
Speaker 2: I do espresso sometimes most of the time, but then
Speaker 2: I'll do make my own. I like flat white, so
Speaker 2: I'll make my own flat white, but I have to
Speaker 2: get the machine. Froth, yeah, dude, the froth and ship
Speaker 2: is hard, though it is. It's a mastery. Like I
Speaker 2: actually have a lot of respect for Starbucks every time
Speaker 2: I go there. Now, Like at first, I be like,
Speaker 2: damn herd with the coffee, man, I got some ship
Speaker 2: to do, you know what I mean? But then I'm like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: calm down, and ship they doing is very hard. I
Speaker 2: tried it at home, you know, Like I'm empathetic to
Speaker 2: Starbucks at five am.
Speaker 1: That little the little tree they make is not easy.
Speaker 1: The little tree thing they make with the milk is
Speaker 1: not easy. That's art the name right, Yeah, man.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's some art.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: There's and but I wake up and make some coffee,
Speaker 2: take the kids in school, jump into meetings because I'm
Speaker 2: designing so much stuff. So it's like I'm always like
Speaker 2: meeting with manufacturer and the team and like you know, contractors,
Speaker 2: just designing really kind of mostly what the day.
Speaker 5: Is studio cur Yeah, can you explain what a studio
Speaker 5: curve occurs?
Speaker 2: Like? It's I guess it's a monoker at the studio
Speaker 2: name that I use for my design practice. What you is?
Speaker 2: It means home in Whooloff Senegaluese language. When I retired,
Speaker 2: I went into a design school, in architecture school, and
Speaker 2: then I just started designing after that. I always my
Speaker 2: brother always said, had a great test, so he was
Speaker 2: like it was super easy to go into design. But
Speaker 2: I always didn't want to just go into the design
Speaker 2: like from a sense of like this highness level where
Speaker 2: it's just like I've made some money and I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna not do it the proper way. I think because
Speaker 2: I went to football. It's like going to school with
Speaker 2: collegiate kids. I mean the first time I went to school,
Speaker 2: you know, that first time was all about going to
Speaker 2: the NFL. You know, it was like what nah, I'm
Speaker 2: running the sprint, you know. But this new time was
Speaker 2: the second time I went. It was really learning. It
Speaker 2: was learning. It was like it was very good, but
Speaker 2: it was like I was like, damn, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to use a computer. I was in there. It's
Speaker 2: like like I even know the computer could do all this,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like I'm just straight up
Speaker 2: like email and looking at World Start.
Speaker 1: And then you know, I'm one hundred percent the same boat.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: Like now that we you know, we've made this production company,
Speaker 1: we got all these Google docs and we have, you know,
Speaker 1: the workplace, I'm like becoming a little bit of you know.
Speaker 3: It guy, how many Google Docs have you actually opened?
Speaker 1: You open every Google because we do. We do the
Speaker 1: Google docs for Fox kickoff.
Speaker 2: Yes, seven jobs though, you know this guy has like
Speaker 2: seven jobs.
Speaker 1: Seriously, But I like everything on the Google doc because
Speaker 1: everyone could throw it in there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's you learning. It's like and I think
Speaker 2: the thing I learned about in design school is just
Speaker 2: like to have humility, right, I think to start over
Speaker 2: to transition to something else, you got to be able
Speaker 2: to like be okay with not knowing anything and be
Speaker 2: okay with like being coached and do I think so
Speaker 2: having no skills from football actually made going into architecture
Speaker 2: school a lot easier because although my wife was like,
Speaker 2: why are you up at four o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: like doing a project right now, I'm like, it's like,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm I'm doing it. You know, I want
Speaker 2: to do it from the traditional hard way of learning,
Speaker 2: But being in football kind of learned all those things
Speaker 2: right precision, teamwork, collaboration like work ethic, all these things
Speaker 2: that you want to find as an athlete to put
Speaker 2: into somewhere else. It becomes very difficult sometimes because a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know where to put that skill out.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of things you could do that
Speaker 2: don't require you to go get hit anymore. That you
Speaker 2: could take these skills and apply them to something else
Speaker 2: and become really good at good at certain things.
Speaker 1: Applicable, the things that if you were a guy that
Speaker 1: was in the league for a consistent amount of time,
Speaker 1: those skills can be applicable to anything. Yeah, like what
Speaker 1: kept you in the NFL? What got you the NFL.
Speaker 1: If you treat anything like it was the NFL and
Speaker 1: you had a longer career that you could apply those
Speaker 1: to anything, it'll translate. And I I I'm you know,
Speaker 1: you have three, three daughters. They're here right now, they're beautiful,
Speaker 1: and they're looking at schools and I'm so. I so
Speaker 1: try to bring that into my father and with my child.
Speaker 1: With what you just said, you learned how to learn
Speaker 1: through sport, Yeah, because that was your passion. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: try to tell that to my daughter. You know, like
Speaker 1: right now, when you're doing soccer, you're learning how to learn,
Speaker 1: learn how to you're learning because you're learning communication when
Speaker 1: you have to lean on a teammate. You're learning the
Speaker 1: accountability factor of when you didn't put your practice in
Speaker 1: and you did something wrong and you're you're gonna feel
Speaker 1: embarrassed around your teammates because they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 1: You learn all these real life moments in team sports.
Speaker 1: And I love that you say that. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: Lily watched this specific part. And there's no f poms yet, No, No.
Speaker 2: It's true because I tell my kids all the same thing.
Speaker 2: It's like I think in the NFL, like what they say,
Speaker 2: the tape don't lie on Monday, like it's gonna be revealed.
Speaker 2: It if you were supposed to be in the B
Speaker 2: gap and you're on the on Sunday, you're like, I
Speaker 2: wasn't the big gap, boy, but you're in your head,
Speaker 2: you know you was. Their coaches like, but they just
Speaker 2: ran a power in the big gap. You're like, but
Speaker 2: I was there, Like you argue it in reality and
Speaker 2: you're like, I wasn't in the gap. Yeah, And so
Speaker 2: it's like being you know it don't and so results
Speaker 2: don't lie. So like having your kids understand what sport
Speaker 2: is for, like isn't so much about the championships or
Speaker 2: it's just about I mean, of course in the NFL,
Speaker 2: but at that level, is really about learning how to learn,
Speaker 2: how to learn, and then respecting lost so much that
Speaker 2: you respect winning. You know what I'm just saying, Like
Speaker 2: what is what is losing feels like? And then when
Speaker 2: you win, you like, what does that feel like? You
Speaker 2: respect losing so you can understand winning, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I think that becomes very complicated for kids
Speaker 2: sometimes because you know, it's like, well, it's always like nah,
Speaker 2: it's about the process. You know. Everybody always get caught
Speaker 2: up in the finished product. And we live in a
Speaker 2: generation where everything is microwaveable, and it's like we always
Speaker 2: see the finished thing of everybody. We look at Kim Kardashi,
Speaker 2: but we missed them years when she didn't when it
Speaker 2: was when she didn't have that you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Nobody remember that part, Like we just remember the finished
Speaker 2: product in law school.
Speaker 1: We miss the years that she really god damn smart
Speaker 1: or goddamn grinder.
Speaker 2: But but that's what I'm saying, It's so much about
Speaker 2: we missed. We live in a generation where Instagram and Facebook,
Speaker 2: they only give us the finished product of things, and
Speaker 2: we missed like the phases that people go through. And
Speaker 2: I think that it's important for children to learn their teams.
Speaker 2: You know, it was like, you know, you're not gonna win.
Speaker 2: But like I said, that's why I said the word grit,
Speaker 2: because you find out who grew up in the gritty situations,
Speaker 2: you know. I remember Coach Carroll brought Angela Duckworth to
Speaker 2: the to the to the team and she wrote the
Speaker 2: book called Grit, and I remember, you know, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: what do white people know about grit? But then she
Speaker 2: taught me something, you know what I'm saying, And but
Speaker 2: it was good.
Speaker 1: Though Michael was Marty and Marty's bigle bro.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, keep going. But it's true. It's like you
Speaker 2: got to have grit to survive, right, because it's like,
Speaker 2: and it gets more complicated the more wealthy achieve. And
Speaker 2: how do you teach people that have to have empathy,
Speaker 2: to have understanding about other people's experiences, to respect the
Speaker 2: journey of others is really really hard. So your Daddy's right,
Speaker 2: literally practice practice now.
Speaker 1: Talking about your team, you came from a household of six.
Speaker 1: Your family was military family. Yeah, you're moving around a bunch.
Speaker 1: What was that?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What was what was growing up in the Bennett household?
Speaker 2: Like, man, growing up in the Benning household was very fun.
Speaker 2: Me and my brother are very close. Like my parents
Speaker 2: got divorced and my dad got remarried and then we
Speaker 2: went separate ways, but then we also kind of always
Speaker 2: got together as a family. Like my brother and my
Speaker 2: other sister live with my mom and him. Me and
Speaker 2: my brother lived with my dad and my dad and
Speaker 2: his new wife had a baby, and it was a
Speaker 2: was like a blended family. So I feel like America
Speaker 2: is kind of like this's like traditional familyation. It's just
Speaker 2: kind of blended, right, And I think we grew up
Speaker 2: really between Texas and Louisiana was like the main place,
Speaker 2: but like growing up in California, living in San Diego,
Speaker 2: living in Brimington, traveling around, been in the military. I
Speaker 2: think you you, I feel like I was born to
Speaker 2: go to NFL because I feel like that's kind of
Speaker 2: like how things are in the NFL, Like like you
Speaker 2: were lucky, you had to be. You were on one
Speaker 2: team for a long period of time. A lot of
Speaker 2: guys got to move around a lot. But you earned
Speaker 2: that though I'm not saying you was given to you,
Speaker 2: but you earned that way to be on one team.
Speaker 2: A lot of times you get moved around. But I
Speaker 2: think as a kid was kind of like seeing my
Speaker 2: dad in the military. My stepmam was a teacher and
Speaker 2: which that was really great because I got to see
Speaker 2: how school systems work. But it was a very traditional family,
Speaker 2: like we had dinner everything, but it was a sports family.
Speaker 2: Me and my brother, we just played everything together. We
Speaker 2: shared a room. We did play college football together, high
Speaker 2: school football together. On the time we didn't play together
Speaker 2: was in an NFL. We did have a chance though,
Speaker 2: when I was coming out to go to Chicago. But
Speaker 2: then my brother was like, you know what, you stay
Speaker 2: in Seattle because it's like that's your thing, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. And Plus, once I called and they
Speaker 2: said Julius Peppers was leaving, I was like, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I thought Jap was gonna be there. So I was
Speaker 2: like I always wanted to play with Julis Peppers and
Speaker 2: he was leaving. But growing up and just moving around
Speaker 2: kind of like and you know, being from Louisiana and
Speaker 2: growing up in Texas, it's they're very close. So I
Speaker 2: got a lot of times, you know, spending during the
Speaker 2: school year in Texas and going home to the countryside
Speaker 2: of Louisiana during the summertimes. I learned so much. I
Speaker 2: think that was kind of where we kind of like
Speaker 2: played football and we want to be Alvin Harper, want
Speaker 2: to be everybody the Cowboys. I grew up, my favorite
Speaker 2: team was Tempa Bay, so I was was was like
Speaker 2: Tempa Bay, Temple Bay. Why. I just love defense. I
Speaker 2: love one set Rendez, Barber, everybody, John Lynch, Brooks, Shelton,
Speaker 2: Dereck brook Barber, Yeah, Barber, Uh great expires, Like just
Speaker 2: had tons of people like Mike Aslock. John said, like
Speaker 2: you know everybody, John Gruden, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: before John Gruden got hit with the racist thing. But
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you know.
Speaker 1: You know it happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John, I mean you never said anything to me,
Speaker 2: but you know, but but I just loved, loved the
Speaker 2: Temple Bay. It was a defense, you know. So like
Speaker 2: seeing all those guys rush the passer, Warren Sapp and
Speaker 2: just everybody Boogermint Farland like those my team. So I
Speaker 2: just run Tampa two all the time, Tampa to Tampa two.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That's all I ever did. Then Bliss Ronde Barber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everyone what years were those I was
Speaker 1: on the cover, wasn't he?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out money Kiff and Tampa to baby Oh
Speaker 4: yeah money that defensive.
Speaker 2: Uh tree though, Like sometimes when I when I played
Speaker 2: for Tampa Bay, like when I used to go up
Speaker 2: there and look at that tree, like dangn who Tony Dungee.
Speaker 2: Rahie Moore is he.
Speaker 1: Was head coach there for a second. Yeah, he's the
Speaker 1: head coach, but he's also like twenty two years old too.
Speaker 2: He was also a part of like the younger tree,
Speaker 2: you know, like looking back when they just had all
Speaker 2: the extra coaches like you uh and then they had uh, Tomland,
Speaker 2: they had, they had who else they had? They had
Speaker 2: so many coaches on that team. But it was just
Speaker 2: crazy when you just go up there and see herm Edwards.
Speaker 2: It's just like a lot of great people on that
Speaker 2: team that were coaches, and you like look back at
Speaker 2: like they not only did they have a Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame staff of have a Hall of Fame players, but
Speaker 2: they also had Hall of Fame staff and coaches. Like
Speaker 2: all those guys became head coaches and made their own
Speaker 2: impact in the game. Like Mike Tumblin has been coaching
Speaker 2: the same same game, same team.
Speaker 1: You know, had lost and that a losing season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: been pretty impressible with no offense this year. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been crazy. Are you still watching ball man?
Speaker 2: Come on, I love football. I watch football like I
Speaker 2: watch on YouTube though.
Speaker 7: Yeah, just the highlights that watched the tim like I
Speaker 7: got to get the twelve minutes and twelve minute, Yeah,
Speaker 7: get the twelve minutes off it Like it's like, like
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, like the two hours, three
Speaker 7: hours of watching one game.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I have Sometimes I'll do if
Speaker 2: it's like a really cute game.
Speaker 4: That was my first thought when you were living in Wales,
Speaker 4: like how do you watch ball?
Speaker 2: I watch it later on I get to go to
Speaker 2: the beach and do all the earthly things, and then
Speaker 2: I come back and be.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, how is it living in Hawaii? Bro? I
Speaker 1: love it, man, It's gonna be amazing.
Speaker 2: It's super It's a I think while I was playing
Speaker 2: in an NFL made a lot of sense to like,
Speaker 2: you know how the season is kind of hectic and
Speaker 2: it's just like reboot. Yeah, it's like a reboot. And
Speaker 2: then sometimes you go back, you like how did you
Speaker 2: even do that? Like how did you even like like
Speaker 2: it felt like just like a whirl when when you
Speaker 2: think about it, like you really just getting up to
Speaker 2: get beat up again and then to get meat up
Speaker 2: again and again, like you go back, You're like that
Speaker 2: was kind of amazing, like for us to like go
Speaker 2: through all that, but like being Hawaii after the season
Speaker 2: would always be grounding with my family and like and
Speaker 2: then like living there just made a lot of sense
Speaker 2: after I just stayed there really because it's just a
Speaker 2: beautiful place. It's beautiful people. People are really nice to everybody,
Speaker 2: you know. It's very family oriented type of place.
Speaker 1: So the Hawaiian culture is so fascinating to me. I
Speaker 1: grew up in the Bay, so we grew up around
Speaker 1: a lot of Pacific islanders like Tongue and Samoa and Hawaiian.
Speaker 1: I went to Samatos so there was always the Hawaiians
Speaker 1: that came over, and like, I never got to experience
Speaker 1: it until about two years ago. That was the first
Speaker 1: time I ever went to Hawaii and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: people are so nice. Their culture they are They're very
Speaker 1: traditional with a lot of like their old old like
Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of year generation like culture traditions are
Speaker 1: still intact and stuff, and they're they're warm people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are like.
Speaker 1: The most loving, coolest people. Don't know, if they're on
Speaker 1: a different football team, they'll rip your head off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But if if you're there, boy, they love you.
Speaker 2: They love you.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 2: That's all luck about it too. It's like it's always
Speaker 2: that thing that's always really complicated when it comes to culture.
Speaker 2: Because how do you take culture and also fast forward
Speaker 2: to make it modern? And I think sometimes, like you
Speaker 2: find ways of Hawaii does a good job of it
Speaker 2: being able to play homage to the past but also
Speaker 2: living the present and kind of talk about the future
Speaker 2: what the island will kind of feel like. So I
Speaker 2: think when you think about the politics of all that,
Speaker 2: it's super hard to keep a culture in tact over
Speaker 2: years and years and years and generations, right, And I
Speaker 2: think that's what makes Why really cool because they do that,
Speaker 2: you know, and all the little things and nature, the
Speaker 2: trees and learning certain Hawaiian words, similar to the New Zealand.
Speaker 2: New Zealand's like that too. When you go to New Zealand,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like the Mari culture and like they
Speaker 2: kind of keep it in Morocco too, Like you in
Speaker 2: Morocco and you're like, well, I guess a lot of
Speaker 2: good places that really have culture like that. You know,
Speaker 2: you think about it, like the Moroccan Tito. I used
Speaker 2: to love Moroccan Tito. I realized it was just sugar.
Speaker 2: I was like, God, damn, three cubes of sugar for one.
Speaker 1: I never had it.
Speaker 2: Shirt tea.
Speaker 1: That's a lot like sweet tea.
Speaker 2: It's beyond sweet tea. It's beyond sweet tea.
Speaker 1: It is roc and Tea. We're gonna check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the guy smiles at you, You're like, whoa,
Speaker 2: he has no teeth.
Speaker 1: It's probably because more sugar.
Speaker 2: You're like, nah, no, end up like that. No, I'm good,
Speaker 2: I'm good. Now.
Speaker 1: You were undrafted? What was it like getting your break
Speaker 1: into the league?
Speaker 2: Man? That was super hard though, because it's like being undrafted.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's the hardest thing because you it's
Speaker 2: like you get the last rep. It's like everybody eating,
Speaker 2: they'd be like, what's left over? You'd be like, damn,
Speaker 2: there a little crumbs there. Yeah, like y'all just left
Speaker 2: the tail of the chicken wing. So it's like it
Speaker 2: was just really complicated because it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where you have to like really go as hard as
Speaker 2: you can every single practice. Every single practice is a
Speaker 2: championship game for you, every single moment, to the point
Speaker 2: where people have to tell you to slow down. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, Nah, I've seen rookies in
Speaker 2: there and they kind of like, you know, real real
Speaker 2: Lackaday's a cool and like real cool. You know back
Speaker 2: then it was like nah, I was like you had
Speaker 2: to get it, get it how you live, and it
Speaker 2: was like out the mud. So like being un drafted,
Speaker 2: it just had to switch my mindset to realize that
Speaker 2: every single moment counted, every single play would count, every
Speaker 2: tugicle thing that I would studying, like, it couldn't be
Speaker 2: one of those things where I would, you know, go
Speaker 2: into the game not being fully prepared. It was like
Speaker 2: man at practice, I had to watch film and I
Speaker 2: think that made me a better player as I got older,
Speaker 2: because it was like I took those save my ideas
Speaker 2: and it just became a part of my identity. Is Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's really what really what it comes down to
Speaker 2: and drafted is just you have to make your mind
Speaker 2: up to like or being even you know, being a
Speaker 2: six or seven round is pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 1: I was right there with you.
Speaker 2: You got a bigger bonus, but you don't have the
Speaker 2: opportunities are the same, you know, like the.
Speaker 1: Opportunity of the same, and it's almost worse to go
Speaker 1: in the six or seventh because you're locked down for
Speaker 1: four years. Yeah, when you're a free agent, you only
Speaker 1: have two Yeah, that's true. So like it's cool to
Speaker 1: get a forty nine thousand dollars check, which whatever it's
Speaker 1: it was a lot of money to me at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the same.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a vacation for some people.
Speaker 1: I thought I was rich after that.
Speaker 2: I did too. I did.
Speaker 1: I got forty nine racks. Did spend a dollar of it.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm keeping this in a bank account.
Speaker 2: And you feel like a different person.
Speaker 1: Like a different person.
Speaker 2: But I think that's the really challenging part of the game.
Speaker 2: But I kind of I missed that old NFL. I
Speaker 2: mean I don't miss the concussions that everybody got, but
Speaker 2: I do miss like the like the practices and like
Speaker 2: the mount of contact, like you know, just out there
Speaker 2: just really playing.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's we all, anyone who played that game.
Speaker 1: We all have a little something missing. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know the crave contact. You know, that's I used to.
Speaker 1: I mean that's something you always miss, just competing against
Speaker 1: another guy. We're at your best and he's at his best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't shot away from that. I remember like
Speaker 2: going against like Walter Jones and like my hip still
Speaker 2: heard from Walter Jones and he pushed me my hip
Speaker 2: board time, so damn walk but wat was a Hall
Speaker 2: of Famer. But it was so good to go up
Speaker 2: against Walt and like learn or like been in my
Speaker 2: first years in Tampa where he had like Jeremy truebla
Speaker 2: Devin called Knicks, you know, Donald Penn, you know Jeremy Zutah,
Speaker 2: like that was the offensive line. So like every single
Speaker 2: day in practice, I was like, man, I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get my reps because it made me
Speaker 2: such a better player, Like going against Carl Nicks. Car
Speaker 2: Nicks was like the best guard. If he never would
Speaker 2: have had a toe surgery, he would have been the
Speaker 2: first battle of Hall of Famer and like, so like
Speaker 2: going against those guys every single day would just make
Speaker 2: me a better player. But I joyed that you had
Speaker 2: guys that would like hide against the best players. I
Speaker 2: don't want to go against.
Speaker 1: Carl, you know, I want to you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: without a doubt.
Speaker 2: They want to look good. But like even a loss
Speaker 2: against Carl was like almost a win, you know, because
Speaker 2: when you start winning, you like I'm ready, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, I'm ready, Like Jeff Fane and all
Speaker 2: those guys, Like it was kind of like dope to
Speaker 2: go against those guys when I was there.
Speaker 1: That's the battle within the battle, like what he's talking
Speaker 1: about right now. The wins in practice, you count those.
Speaker 1: When you're a late round guy or you're an undrafted guy,
Speaker 1: you count every play you had, was it a win
Speaker 1: or was it a loss? Because that's exactly what the
Speaker 1: goddamn coaches are doing. So it was like it's life
Speaker 1: or death. It literally is like life or death every
Speaker 1: freaking rep you got in, Like you have to control
Speaker 1: your emotion because you didn't know there's only three reps
Speaker 1: every week. Maybe then you might.
Speaker 2: Get and similar to you, I had to do the
Speaker 2: same thing where it was like I had to learn
Speaker 2: more skills, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I
Speaker 2: had to learn how to play inside. I had to
Speaker 2: learn how to play nose. I had to learn how
Speaker 2: to play whatever they wanted me to play, the versatility.
Speaker 2: So I was actually thankful for that because they gave
Speaker 2: me a longer career, right because you have to learn
Speaker 2: how to do all those things. You have to be
Speaker 2: a good blocker, Like you can't be there, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You can't come in and be like
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be good on blocking. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: good only on slant routes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And it's like you have to learn all those skills
Speaker 2: to become a better player. And I think that was
Speaker 2: something that really helped me kind of grow as an
Speaker 2: NFL talent.
Speaker 1: When was the moment you felt like you made it? Like,
Speaker 1: when did you feel comfortable? Because I know the first
Speaker 1: few years. I lived that for five years, right, I
Speaker 1: thought I was getting cut every year.
Speaker 2: I thought I was getting cut every year too. I
Speaker 2: feel like the first time I actually felt like second year,
Speaker 2: second year Seattle. I feel like every year before that,
Speaker 2: I just had like maniacs man attitude, like man, I'm
Speaker 2: getting cut, you know what I'm saying. Even though I
Speaker 2: was out there starting like I was a first round tender,
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, Like I was still
Speaker 2: like making plays, but I still was always like, man,
Speaker 2: I was undrafted, why would they know?
Speaker 1: Wh would they keep me in security?
Speaker 2: And then also they also have they also drafted people
Speaker 2: every year every and you beat them out every year.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. You like, dang, It's like
Speaker 2: I guess like when I got to Seattle. I feel
Speaker 2: like I kind of belonged a little bit. I feel
Speaker 2: like that was the first time I like my time
Speaker 2: in Tempa was really good because I feel like if
Speaker 2: my defensive line would have stayed together and didn't get health,
Speaker 2: did get hurt like Gerald and Adrian Claiborne, and we
Speaker 2: stayed together for longer, we probably would have did what
Speaker 2: we were supposed to do. Because we had a really
Speaker 2: good team in Tampa, Like we had a key to leave.
Speaker 2: We had Keller Winslow before you know, yeah it King's
Speaker 2: the best teammate. King was the best team man nice
Speaker 2: and neat. We had a lot of good people on
Speaker 2: that team and we and so, but we didn't we
Speaker 2: didn't win. But being in Seattle was like there was
Speaker 2: like a lot of like minded people. When I got there,
Speaker 2: I was like, man, like, it's camp. Like the team.
Speaker 2: It was like we're just jail. Like we all had
Speaker 2: to say mattitude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was apparent we'll dive in more
Speaker 1: of the team. But let's get let's get into this segment.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Speaker 1: on Dudes, Let's go whoa this segment we go back
Speaker 1: in time when the game took place. This game took
Speaker 1: place January eighteenth, twenty fifteen. Always messes up because it
Speaker 1: was a twenty fourteen season, but it's a playoff game,
Speaker 1: so it's in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Number one movie American Sniper. Did you ever see it?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: That was a good one. Sad at the.
Speaker 2: End, sad at the end. I wasn't expecting that. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was that. It was badass though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but how badass was the other guy too? Doing it
Speaker 1: like nikes?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know. It's so crazy though, because everybody always
Speaker 2: giving me Sniper. People always give this snipers the credit,
Speaker 2: but I always think that they the spotter is the
Speaker 2: most deailiest person.
Speaker 1: Because he could see us.
Speaker 2: No, because the Spider really talks another guy into killing somebody.
Speaker 1: The spotter, who's your spotterer guy?
Speaker 2: That should be just understanding. I understand. The spider guy's like, hey,
Speaker 2: he's right there on the forty five. If you want
Speaker 2: to pull the trigger now, you can, or you can
Speaker 2: do it at thirty two degrees to the left and
Speaker 2: you blow his brains out this way. It'll be a
Speaker 2: lot of blood on the ground. But you know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: no blood on my hands. I didn't pull the trigger. Like,
Speaker 2: the spider is pretty dangerous if you think about it.
Speaker 1: He's just he's just calling he's just calling the shots.
Speaker 2: The shots.
Speaker 3: Literally, Jack's your spider.
Speaker 2: I got you. Bro went a little bit of it.
Speaker 2: Let him fly Man.
Speaker 1: That movie was crazy. The number one song was up
Speaker 1: Town Funk by Bruto Mars featuring Mark Ronson, Ronson Ronson.
Speaker 2: That was that was a good song.
Speaker 1: Though he was like all over this the Grammys this year.
Speaker 2: And this was the year, but this was the year
Speaker 2: for the music year.
Speaker 1: That was a fun year. Went to I went to
Speaker 1: the I remember him performing and I think he performed
Speaker 1: it at that huh.
Speaker 3: Him and Malcolm macol reason.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, damn that hurt more now, Sorry, Bro, dudes,
Speaker 2: run the ball. No but true Detective. I love that show.
Speaker 2: My god, was this the best one? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite season?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Third one is not bad but bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was not bad. The first one was the
Speaker 2: best because it was more that far. Yeah. The last
Speaker 2: one was not bad, but it kind of like they
Speaker 2: like almost made it too spooky for still watching. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it wasn't bad, but to get in there. Matthew McConaughey,
Speaker 2: what you hear? So that's how anytime those two people
Speaker 2: are anywhere that sounds like a good time, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be there. Matthew McConaughey, Oh, y'all be there. You know,
Speaker 2: Like that's that.
Speaker 1: Makes you want to think they're brothers.
Speaker 4: Really, there's like a lyric, there's there's lore that they're brothers.
Speaker 9: If you look at it dad happening around there that
Speaker 9: they conferred that maybe there's some stuff going on.
Speaker 1: I think they could be brothers.
Speaker 2: Wow. You ever see wood in Hawaii? No? Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's right now with my bad.
Speaker 1: So this was also when this when this movie came
Speaker 1: out or this show, This was like the first big
Speaker 1: show where like movie actors I felt were going in
Speaker 1: doing the HBO shows that were like movie actors. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what they're doing a TV show? Yeah, I don't remember
Speaker 1: any other time before this where you saw that.
Speaker 9: It's not the first, but it's definitely early. It was
Speaker 9: early won Oscar and Emmy same year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Carrie Oh yeah, like his camera
Speaker 2: angles that one scene where they went into the trap
Speaker 2: house and it was like running through in that camera
Speaker 2: was like on his back and it was like that.
Speaker 2: It was like he was catching everything that was happening
Speaker 2: and then like it was like fast forward and time forward.
Speaker 1: It was just like very incredible integrity the art.
Speaker 2: The art is crazy, bro, Like you think about.
Speaker 1: The integrity of the art, I'm gonna write a book
Speaker 1: about your integrity of the art. Post below drops White
Speaker 1: Iverson on SoundCloud. That was a pregame that.
Speaker 2: Changed white America. That changed white America. That was like
Speaker 2: that was like postmark, but he changed though, Like now
Speaker 2: he's like it's like at old country.
Speaker 1: Music, the country He's hit a whole lot of different race.
Speaker 2: He has no tattoos right there. He like literally like
Speaker 2: crazy crazy, like he's like he's a country music but
Speaker 2: White ivers Son he changed. That changed white America. Eminem
Speaker 2: no eminem. It was like a different type of white America.
Speaker 2: He was still like dirty shoes white America. Like this
Speaker 2: is like clean air force ones like throw a little
Speaker 2: chain on, Like yeah, that was like that was like
Speaker 2: now it's cool.
Speaker 1: He changed it.
Speaker 2: He changed it, man, shout out post.
Speaker 1: It was on your pregame mix, pregame mix, Little Boosy,
Speaker 1: Little Boosy, Yeah, that's it, little Boosy jay z Rick Ross.
Speaker 2: That makes me laugh though, because like White America, like
Speaker 2: you be in the stadium they be playing those songs
Speaker 2: and you just be like, I don't think they know
Speaker 2: what that actually means. Like like I remember like being
Speaker 2: in Texas A and M and they would be playing
Speaker 2: Rick Ross Push It to the Limit. I'd be like,
Speaker 2: do y'all know he's talking about cocaine right now? You know?
Speaker 2: Like it's like push it to that limit? And then
Speaker 2: like this is yeah, they like they're playing this and
Speaker 2: their kids go home like, Dad, didn't you hear about this?
Speaker 2: Push It to the limit. They're like like what is
Speaker 2: this like? But it's so funny because they played in
Speaker 2: the stadium and the music be so like they don't
Speaker 2: get the content in it. Yeah, Like or maybe they do.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe I'm the fool man that could be that too.
Speaker 2: Maybe they did. Shake Shack goes public. I wish I
Speaker 2: could have invested in that.
Speaker 1: Are you a Shakeshack guy?
Speaker 2: I like Shakeshack, but I wish I would have been
Speaker 2: a more important moment if I would have actually put
Speaker 2: some money into it.
Speaker 1: Did you have an opportunity.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. That would have been all
Speaker 2: the time. I's like Tom Brady is the only person
Speaker 2: that gets those opportunities. I mean, he's always in the
Speaker 2: right rooms the other death and he has six million
Speaker 2: dollars for watches for so I was like, damn tem Berter,
Speaker 2: you got six million dollars. It's just the ones you're selling,
Speaker 2: you know, That's what I was thinking in my head.
Speaker 1: I mean at this point in his career, he already
Speaker 1: had three Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was in the meeting when they were
Speaker 2: like we got to stay called shakeshack.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean he probably been in a lot
Speaker 1: of them rooms. Yeah, He's also been in some rooms
Speaker 1: where those investments didn't go well.
Speaker 2: The insider trading didn't they off. I forgot about that,
Speaker 2: But that sound like a good idea though, Like it's
Speaker 2: sound like a good idea when he first did it, probably.
Speaker 1: It's like are you are you a burger guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I love burgers. Like if my wife gets mad
Speaker 2: at me sometimes when I go out the country and
Speaker 2: I'm just like trying to find the best burger and
Speaker 2: god damn China or some shit, you know, She's like,
Speaker 2: they're not gonna have it, Michael, but I keep trying.
Speaker 1: Though Japan probably hasn't seen burgers, Japan.
Speaker 2: Does have some good burgers. They do. I think they
Speaker 2: had the overall, Yeah they did. I didn't like the
Speaker 2: burgers and London is okay. But they gotta they can't
Speaker 2: have this rule that they got to cut ground beef
Speaker 2: all the way to the could end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can't have you Like, what do you like
Speaker 1: your burger? Medium?
Speaker 2: Medium plus?
Speaker 1: I like medium plus. I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, medium plus.
Speaker 1: I just wanted a little.
Speaker 2: Pink and then I and I'll leave a steak place.
Speaker 2: If they'll know what medium plus is, I just get
Speaker 2: up and leave. It's not a steak place. Guys, I
Speaker 2: know what medium plus is. Bring up the bring off
Speaker 2: the guy in the bag.
Speaker 1: It's not medium. Well, but it's not me.
Speaker 2: I gotta pull up on the phone. There is a
Speaker 2: medium plus. He's right here, just right here on the
Speaker 2: steak chart on Pinterest. You know, like, well, you gots
Speaker 2: you gotta go off on them like that, like because
Speaker 2: they don't.
Speaker 1: In the sports World twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: was the MVP boy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in this game he was, he was
Speaker 2: in this game he lost.
Speaker 1: He hit you guys with one of those Cadence touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Yeah he did. He always does that. It didn't worked
Speaker 2: though last week though they.
Speaker 1: Got to coach coaches. Not there no more for a
Speaker 1: say something about.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know, man, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like he said something. He
Speaker 2: tried to make us feel like, you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: definitely something. I believe that that thing doesn't happen without
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers having a little part and make a decision
Speaker 2: on that, right, you know what I'm saying, like or
Speaker 2: that that is something people have been thinking about. But
Speaker 2: to be fair, to run the Jets, but roberta Robert Solla, like,
Speaker 2: I mean, they took the quarterback from what's his name?
Speaker 2: I forget think he's he's out the league right now.
Speaker 2: I didn't like him anyway.
Speaker 1: Didn't like Wilson.
Speaker 2: I didn't like his haircut. It was something about his haircut.
Speaker 1: He's yeah, he's pretty.
Speaker 2: He was a baby of the post malone era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely that post malone.
Speaker 2: Baby killed him. He should have been a baby of Like.
Speaker 1: He's Mormon too, right, Zach Wilson, Yeah, I think he's Mormon.
Speaker 2: That was that was the beginning of the end right there.
Speaker 2: Like they just could never get the quarterback situation right,
Speaker 2: and they thought going with Watch mccallay, with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: They wanted the big name so bad. But it's like
Speaker 2: there's been so many great quarterbacks that they missed out on.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. God damn, you know, it's just CJ. Straw
Speaker 2: like like you know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, Like Sam Donald's in the room, he's killing it now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got dropped about him too. Yeah, they missed,
Speaker 2: but they missed. But to be fair to Sam Donald,
Speaker 2: like it's unfair to put certain quarterbacks in certain situations
Speaker 2: without the proper office on line and then also with
Speaker 2: the proper person development, like you got developed, like like
Speaker 2: lucky to say, Donald, he's into a situation where he's
Speaker 2: probably primed to be where he needs to be to
Speaker 2: make the next situation. I mean, you look at some
Speaker 2: of these other quarterbacks that maybe had one good year
Speaker 2: and then after that they don't they don't turn out
Speaker 2: to be any good. It's like sometimes the preparation as
Speaker 2: a quarterback allows you to develop a lot better and
Speaker 2: understand the game a lot faster. Like you know, like
Speaker 2: they can't make the right throws. The NFL is getting
Speaker 2: a lot faster. They're paying a quarterback so much that
Speaker 2: they don't even pay the office line. You're lucky if
Speaker 2: you have a good office lineman. Now as a high
Speaker 2: paid quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the cap keeps on going up so and and
Speaker 1: now they're just they're given a percentage of the cap
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Yeah, now it's different, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Now, what are they getting like twenty percent
Speaker 1: of the cap?
Speaker 2: You know at the beginning of the year when they
Speaker 2: bring that ANFLPA and they did a little cap chart
Speaker 2: you remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they show like what teams had.
Speaker 2: What's this percentage of your team on a dispendage, And
Speaker 2: it's always like.
Speaker 5: Wow, like but you know when you look at that
Speaker 5: percentage and like this this is the PA used to
Speaker 5: come in roughly every year at the same time to
Speaker 5: give us the information that wasn't associated with the team.
Speaker 1: So we'd have a players Association meeting with the PA
Speaker 1: leadership that would come into the facility that would nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the team and they would show us
Speaker 1: all this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they show us the chart off where a team
Speaker 2: is spending the money. And like whenever you saw like
Speaker 2: the defensive office on line is one of the highest
Speaker 2: pay you like, the team is probably good, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like like the yeah, if the team
Speaker 2: had like like damn office line, like you like, they're
Speaker 2: a pretty good thirty team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And like usually you can only do that when you
Speaker 2: have a good young quarterback like a Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1: About Patrick Mahomes and and that line they got Tony
Speaker 1: who's one of the highest paid exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Patrick Mahomes at this point, like what does
Speaker 2: money even mean to him? Like there's at the end
Speaker 2: of this thing, he'll be the first player probably to
Speaker 2: ever reach a billion dollars through just purely sports in
Speaker 2: football for real, He's going to He's the best player
Speaker 2: that we've seen come out the draft and the only
Speaker 2: player to I would say that Lamar Jackson is the
Speaker 2: best athlete we've seen in many years. But the best
Speaker 2: player I would say is by far Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not even close to anymore.
Speaker 2: And hey, the game.
Speaker 1: He does, but he's also tapered his game and he's
Speaker 1: become a disciplined football player, where early in his career
Speaker 1: he was all about hero ball. It's been way more
Speaker 1: impressive these last three years, last two years where he's
Speaker 1: reinvented himself and had the discipline to take what the
Speaker 1: defense gives him, play to the strength of his team,
Speaker 1: which is the defense, and not make the mistakes which
Speaker 1: he's made interceptions this year. But he's still put his
Speaker 1: team in situation is to always win like Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: which Lamar doesn't do. Anytime it is a third down
Speaker 1: and the team needs it, whether it's four minute when
Speaker 1: they need to seal the game or they need to
Speaker 1: get the drive going to continue the game, he makes
Speaker 1: that play. And that's what the greats do. Right now,
Speaker 1: Lamar hasn't done it. Blitz zero has killed them. I'm
Speaker 1: in the TV, I'm watching the film as of late
Speaker 1: the Lamar like he can't. He hasn't. That's why he
Speaker 1: hasn't won super Bowls yet. The only guy who does
Speaker 1: it at consistent rate all the time is fucking Patrick.
Speaker 2: But also to be fair to Lamar Lamar Jackson, is
Speaker 2: that every single play call that's being designed with Andy
Speaker 2: Reid at the helm.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: They play there's always a check down receiver coming out.
Speaker 2: There's always a way for him to get rid of
Speaker 2: the ball and sometimes with sometimes with Lamar Jackson on
Speaker 2: a third. Yeah, you think about the blitz zero is
Speaker 2: like those those those coming like they're his receivers. Like
Speaker 2: I mean, I think them.
Speaker 1: Actually last two seasons have come down to blitz zero.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. And like sometimes the receivers aren't
Speaker 2: really well versed in the game.
Speaker 1: Let's get a freaking playing coach like when when in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, in two thousand.
Speaker 2: But Derek Henry's changing that because Dereck Henry gets in
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do less plays.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried right now. I'm not like right now,
Speaker 1: it's regular season, and I think.
Speaker 2: They never had Derek Henry. I think Derek Henry in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. As you see, the NFL's get to a
Speaker 2: place where I saw some players against the Broncos, not
Speaker 2: the Broncos, the Buffalo Bills that I for sure saw
Speaker 2: people not tackle, not tackle bus decisions they were they
Speaker 2: were life decisions.
Speaker 1: And it's not even cold yet it's not even cold out.
Speaker 2: They did not want to.
Speaker 1: Tapen until it gets and you have to tack.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying. I think, what with Henry,
Speaker 2: the game is going to change for the Ravens and
Speaker 2: a player, but.
Speaker 1: Their defense isn't what it was. But I think it's
Speaker 1: a struggle bus right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the first two games, the first two games,
Speaker 2: they didn't get a ball to Derek Ry. They didn't
Speaker 2: know how to use him. Then they then they that
Speaker 2: third like well he is Derek Henry, and then they
Speaker 2: just started like pounding it and pounding it like in
Speaker 2: the playoffs in December. I need to see Derek Henry
Speaker 2: with thirty plus carries every game.
Speaker 1: But maybe they didn't do it at first so they
Speaker 1: could taper off the carries for the older fella.
Speaker 2: No, he's the way he eats and the way he's
Speaker 2: doing He's a different type of athlete.
Speaker 1: But I think, who's the craziest athlete you ever saw
Speaker 1: in the locker room that You're like, this dude's a
Speaker 1: specimen Like.
Speaker 2: Is Percy Harvin?
Speaker 1: Percy Harvin pound for pound spect.
Speaker 2: Specimen man like that guy, Percy Harvey. Like people forget
Speaker 2: about person.
Speaker 1: He was a month touchdown back in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: with you guys.
Speaker 2: Percy Harvin was like one of the best athletes I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. You know Josh Freeman too. Josh Freeman was
Speaker 2: a crazy athlete too.
Speaker 1: Hernandez used to tell me that Percy Harvin was the
Speaker 1: best athlete he ever seen. Yeah, I probably shouldn't have
Speaker 1: said that.
Speaker 2: The TV show is very interesting.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched it. I see the clips.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's really true or not, but
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, ex acting not acting rocks Man,
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Man dunking the ball in the goalpost became a fifteen
Speaker 1: yard unsportsman like penn Old. Is that Jimmy Graham rule,
Speaker 1: the Jimmy Gramble. I think he did it once and
Speaker 1: it bent the bar and they had to postpone the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, not a lot of people can't even
Speaker 2: do that, you know what I'm saying. It's like a
Speaker 2: very rare feat that you could actually jump up there
Speaker 2: and dunk the ball. I mean on every team, there's
Speaker 2: probably like four guys that can actually do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I think a lot more guys can do.
Speaker 2: Like really get up there and do what Jimmy Graham
Speaker 2: was doing. That wasps like Gates could do it. That's yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of guys could really go up there like really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I saw someone do it recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw a guy do it recently.
Speaker 1: Who was it?
Speaker 2: I don't know. You didn't say like everybody's doing it,
Speaker 2: like everybody can't didn't. Yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I used to do that in practice.
Speaker 2: I don't it. Billy Tonyo Brown was a crazy athlete,
Speaker 2: even though he didn't practice very much when it was
Speaker 2: the Patriots, well he did though. It was pretty amazing. Bro.
Speaker 1: Remember when he we didn't have a ball touch the
Speaker 1: ground when Antonio practice, we had the best week of Remember, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that practice was ever because he rose the level of
Speaker 1: everyone else.
Speaker 2: He was so good man, he was monsters. He really
Speaker 2: is a good player.
Speaker 1: He was man.
Speaker 10: He Tom tried everything to make sure we would want
Speaker 10: to super Bowl. Yeah, Tom, if you would have stayed,
Speaker 10: Tom tried everything. Tom was just like you know, just
Speaker 10: like just just just come on.
Speaker 2: Man, I'll drive you to work, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like didn't a place to live, Like what do you need?
Speaker 2: Like you want to you want my trainer? You want
Speaker 2: my food. You want to like if this just come
Speaker 2: to work and do what you're supposed to do, Like
Speaker 2: like Tom Knew, like he would literally try to get
Speaker 2: him to like that guy loves the win.
Speaker 1: Win man, but man winning on that sack dance? What
Speaker 1: is this the Rick Rude?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I think everybody grew up being a WWE fan.
Speaker 2: I mean I know w but you can't even say
Speaker 2: anything because like you can't even like anybody because like
Speaker 2: if you like somebody, like you like them and you
Speaker 2: posting that you liked him, like two years later, like
Speaker 2: people can go back and look at your post and
Speaker 2: then the guy turns out to be like a killer
Speaker 2: or like might be diddious, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like could be anything. Like then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, I gotta knock my post down. So
Speaker 2: like even with Vincent, man, it's like.
Speaker 1: Damn Vince, I haven't seen that one either.
Speaker 2: I just I just read some of the stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: like you did what? Like who does that? But anyway,
Speaker 2: I love w W, like you know, Rick Rud and
Speaker 2: all those guys growing up or something.
Speaker 1: We're like, so, did you you ever get fined for
Speaker 1: a dance.
Speaker 2: They told me I could only do two pumps. Two
Speaker 2: pumps and I know three day was like that, that's
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: He stop it.
Speaker 2: Three girations is too much. He always knew that.
Speaker 1: The I don't even want to say his name, but
Speaker 1: there's a ref that was always a little stickler with
Speaker 1: all that ship. I don't want to say his name,
Speaker 1: but he knows who he is looking at you, Cleat Blake,
Speaker 1: Scott Novac, Fucking Scott Novac. Look, he looked like a
Speaker 1: principal out there just trying to hold court. Always didn't
Speaker 1: even let you jive with him.
Speaker 2: And the Chris part about referees, they all have like
Speaker 2: good jobs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you like what are you like, They're all like
Speaker 1: lawyers and what do you do?
Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, I'm a medical doctor.
Speaker 10: Like how do you have time.
Speaker 2: To do this?
Speaker 1: Like there's a couple of former players now though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying it's kind of crazy though,
Speaker 2: Like when you think about those guys and you talk
Speaker 2: to them and you're like.
Speaker 1: Well, they're not full time. I mean you would think
Speaker 1: that the league would make them full time.
Speaker 2: They all have.
Speaker 9: Guns now too. It's like an arms race to get
Speaker 9: like bigger biceps. You know, they're all going on hockey.
Speaker 9: That was old hockey.
Speaker 1: He was the first one getting all jacked and now
Speaker 1: his little son's getting all jacked.
Speaker 2: You got to get jacked up out.
Speaker 1: They don't want to be getting tossed around out there
Speaker 1: to fight.
Speaker 2: And but you can't really talk to the NFL referees
Speaker 2: like that. But NBA you could say whatever you want.
Speaker 4: Let it fly, baby, those guys dig Bevetta take it all, Jackie.
Speaker 1: Let's set the stage for the Green Bay Packers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I got my caught up on Scott Novak's LinkedIn
Speaker 4: page over here.
Speaker 1: University.
Speaker 2: He went to University of Phoenix.
Speaker 4: University of Phoenix, according to this he did. Who knows,
Speaker 4: people don't let's not put his name out there in
Speaker 4: allural craft.
Speaker 1: You lug into university.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's move into the Packers here. Twelve and four.
Speaker 4: This was Mike McCarthy's ninth year. Uh we know he's
Speaker 4: down in Dallas now. This was the dom Capers led defense,
Speaker 4: undefeated at Lambeau, tied for the league best record twelve
Speaker 4: and four with the Seattle Seahawks this season, won the
Speaker 4: NFC North four years running, led the league in scoring
Speaker 4: four hundred eighty six points.
Speaker 2: That's Rogers, Eddie Lacy.
Speaker 4: James Starks, DeVante Adams, Rookie year Daddy mac Daddy James
Speaker 4: Starks shout out Buffalo College from Niagara Falls.
Speaker 1: Ye crazy, uh.
Speaker 4: Jordy Nelson speaking of fines, he's a uh.
Speaker 2: He's one of the officers.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he's one of the fine guys. Who is
Speaker 1: your fine guy? Remember Marton Hanks used to be one.
Speaker 2: Of the guys. Those five people they get paid pretty
Speaker 2: good money. Man, Oh do they really? Yeah? They I
Speaker 2: got so mad.
Speaker 1: I used to love Merchant.
Speaker 2: Can I get that job?
Speaker 3: What's the fine guy? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: So, like when you get fined for like on four
Speaker 1: like conduct Or, I threw the ball in the fit
Speaker 1: the stands once got fined for that. You gotta have
Speaker 1: like a little hearing. So the NFL sets you up
Speaker 1: with some guy or former player. So it's like friendly
Speaker 1: fire type shit. You're over here trying to buddy him up.
Speaker 1: Like I was talking to Martin, like, yo, you know,
Speaker 1: you're such my favorite guy. When I was a kid
Speaker 1: with the neck thing and everything, didn't even do anything.
Speaker 1: Slap me with the fine, didn't even reduce it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, no, that's how I go.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: It's like you're imprisoning and like they got the prisoner's
Speaker 2: judging if you're gonna get out or not. But he's like,
Speaker 2: I ain't never got out, so you're standing.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: I was just that's that's crazy, exactly. That's crazy. Now
Speaker 4: they make pretty good bread though.
Speaker 1: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And uh we talked about this guy earlier, but they
Speaker 4: added Julius Peppers in the offseason to bolster that defense.
Speaker 2: What a legend Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: What was your thoughts on this Packers team going into
Speaker 1: this guys were already fun fact.
Speaker 2: You know Tom Clemens's wife is Kathay Clemens and they
Speaker 2: do clemons on Yeah, fun fat But Don Caper is
Speaker 2: that defense. I think that was one of the best defenses.
Speaker 2: That they weren't like a super physical defense compared to
Speaker 2: like the forty nine ers, but they were strong and fast.
Speaker 2: I think people forget about Clay Matthews. I think Clay
Speaker 2: Matthews should be a Hall of Famer, and he was.
Speaker 2: He was out there. Juwis Pepper's on both sides. Nick
Speaker 2: Perry was coming off the off of it then you
Speaker 2: got a j Hawk like that team was, you know,
Speaker 2: and people forget it. I've been knowing Jordan Nelson because
Speaker 2: he went to Kansas State and I went to Texas
Speaker 2: and m so we alway played against them. He was
Speaker 2: one of the best receivers. He just kind of and
Speaker 2: he just kind of disappeared.
Speaker 1: One year.
Speaker 2: He was like super good one year, the next year
Speaker 2: he was gone. Yeah. Then like Randall Cobb and Eddie Lacy,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of Derek Harvey, like nobody want to
Speaker 2: tackle Lace at that time.
Speaker 1: He quick this game, he was fast, he was strong.
Speaker 2: They had that play that they they had the office
Speaker 2: lineman kind of spread out a little bit. Then they
Speaker 2: would kind of do an a gap run and they
Speaker 2: kind of do a little stretch with him with John Coon.
Speaker 2: Then they had James Starks, who was a really good
Speaker 2: running back. Then they had old good old Matt Flynn,
Speaker 2: you know, and then like the offensive line was really
Speaker 2: good too, right because they had uh, look like t J. Lane,
Speaker 2: like you know, Josh Sitting. I had to go get
Speaker 2: them lame all those guys. Although that are really great
Speaker 2: office in line. You know, they didn't really give up
Speaker 2: that many sacks that year. And they were just a
Speaker 2: really over good, good, good team. I think that was
Speaker 2: one of the better teams that played. Obviously, they had
Speaker 2: like a stacked team, and the kicker, Mason Crosby, didn't
Speaker 2: really mix that many kicks or whatever.
Speaker 1: Then we're still kicking somewhere right, Mason.
Speaker 2: Didn't like defensive line, you know, that was pretty good.
Speaker 2: That was probably the defensive line is probably the least
Speaker 2: known people on that team, like Mike Neil from Purdue,
Speaker 2: Mike Panel, Dante Jones from u c l A, like
Speaker 2: all those guys. Like those guys, Mike Daniels was pretty
Speaker 2: good player, went to Pro Bowl I think the next year. Overall,
Speaker 2: that was a pretty good, strong team.
Speaker 1: You know, the twelve four really damn good. Aaron VP.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you got Randall Cobb. Like people forget
Speaker 2: how great Randall Cob.
Speaker 1: It was really good. He was young. This is a
Speaker 1: young Randall Cobb.
Speaker 2: And Julius Peppers can't even came and said enoughing about
Speaker 2: Julius Peppers.
Speaker 1: The freaky.
Speaker 2: And then a J Hawk was really good too, man,
Speaker 2: A J Hawk was cold National champion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like Super Bowl champion.
Speaker 2: Look at the stats. You know your two receivers over
Speaker 2: a thousand yards to almost over thirteen hundred. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, you know, fifteen hundred, twelve hundred. Davonte
Speaker 2: Adams was a baby receiver at that time, but he
Speaker 2: was learning from all the dogs. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like thirty eight touchdowns, no five interceptions. Man, I think
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson through five interceptions in that game, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like Eddie Lacey was you know that?
Speaker 2: So that team was really good team. That was a
Speaker 2: really fun team to play against because they had so
Speaker 2: many stacked players and they were just really a great
Speaker 2: overall was Charles Wilson wasn't on that team. He wasn't
Speaker 2: on that team? What was it?
Speaker 1: Like Shak and Aaron who was always fun.
Speaker 2: But Aaron is like a really like competitive person too.
Speaker 2: So like if you make a good player, he'd be like,
Speaker 2: good job, you know what I mean, or like something
Speaker 2: like like he'd be mad, but he'd be like you're
Speaker 2: a good player or something like you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you.
Speaker 11: Don't get yeah, But I think Aaron Rogers is a
Speaker 11: hard person to like though, you know, because it's like
Speaker 11: Tom Brady is a lot easier person to like, you know,
Speaker 11: I feel like there's like those people that are like
Speaker 11: they're just like, man, this, I don't know what is
Speaker 11: a bottom?
Speaker 1: How is Tom? How is Tom compared to when you
Speaker 1: didn't play with him, from when you met him?
Speaker 2: Man, I feel like Tom is also like a great
Speaker 2: student of the game because like he knows like if
Speaker 2: you're a good player like Neil, not if you're a
Speaker 2: bad player, but if you're a good player, Tom can
Speaker 2: repeat to you or like certain things that you did
Speaker 2: in the game or how you do it. Like he's
Speaker 2: a very respectable player. You He is the type of
Speaker 2: player that you don't have to have pro bos for
Speaker 2: Tom Brady to respect you. You just have to be
Speaker 2: a good player, like a player that did something great
Speaker 2: for the team that were influential to the way that
Speaker 2: that team played, like how you were a nucleus. Like
Speaker 2: there's some people who get a lot of pro bos,
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, Like the Patriots, like
Speaker 2: y'all have a lot of good receivers, but sometimes y'all
Speaker 2: didn't get the pro bos that you'll deserve, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You know Wes Walker did, but like
Speaker 2: other people didn't you know, get those ones, but y'all
Speaker 2: did have great people on y'all team and people who
Speaker 2: are in the league with respect the players that y'all had,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe didn't show up and all of the
Speaker 2: you know, oh that's the guy. But then you're like,
Speaker 2: man like Julian like that he tough, but you gotta
Speaker 2: respect him, like you know, like Eve when we played y'all,
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, yeah, Julian Ellman, like, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's one of the guys that like, yeah, he's like,
Speaker 2: y'all all gonna have respect for him at the end,
Speaker 2: because doesn't matter the player of the game or how
Speaker 2: is you respect the way that he plays the game.
Speaker 2: He gets up from the hits, he does whatever. Team
Speaker 2: like people, you know what I'm saying, Like you might
Speaker 2: not know it because you're in another locker room, but
Speaker 2: they show you and they're like, this is how you're
Speaker 2: supposed to play the game. So this guy's blocking right here,
Speaker 2: this guy's giving up from the field, like they point
Speaker 2: out those type of things and the players know, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. The fans may not know.
Speaker 1: And Brady Brady did that with guys. Yeah you can
Speaker 1: tell that, Yeah, he's a fan of the game.
Speaker 2: He's a fan of the game. Bell Check is too though.
Speaker 2: I even think that Belichick a draft take a guy
Speaker 2: to just I don't know belichickif we just want to
Speaker 2: know what the guy's thinking, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like he's like a really like so what do you
Speaker 2: think about this? You know what I mean? Like he
Speaker 2: like Belichick just respects the players too. Like certain guys,
Speaker 2: he just respects us in the league. And he always
Speaker 2: they always always end up there, but they don't, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like there's a place where sometimes
Speaker 2: good players go to die, you know. But but overall,
Speaker 2: but it's like he you, he respects the way that
Speaker 2: you play a game. He probably wants to know how
Speaker 2: you play.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about all the narrative of
Speaker 1: how Bill is portrayed to players? You Like, you're you're
Speaker 1: saying something completely opposite of basically what everything is been
Speaker 1: coming out about, Like, oh, the TV shows, the this,
Speaker 1: the that they're all saying, this guy, you can't work
Speaker 1: for him. What was your experience being an out?
Speaker 2: I just didn't like I just didn't like it there.
Speaker 2: That was the only thing I like overall, I just
Speaker 2: felt like I didn't fit into the situation. I just
Speaker 2: I feel like I just it was completely different. It's
Speaker 2: like it's like I just came from like like a
Speaker 2: very free spirited place, like like like all like having
Speaker 2: to wear knee braces at practice. I'm like, I ain't
Speaker 2: never do nothing like that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like like it's just stuff that like like even like
Speaker 2: I had I was like playing for Bill Belichick, like
Speaker 2: you know, going to the meetings and doing everything. I
Speaker 2: ain't like my position coach because he didn't know nothing
Speaker 2: about defense, you know what I'm saying, like defensive ends
Speaker 2: or nothing like that. You know. So, But overall, my
Speaker 2: experience with the Patriots was a good experience. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I just wasn't used to like living in the country
Speaker 2: and all that type of shit, like people don't know, man,
Speaker 2: like playing for New England, bro, Like you like through
Speaker 2: y'all lived in Boston, but everything else around New England
Speaker 2: is like, oh my god, where am I? Like I
Speaker 2: never ain't nowhere to eat. I'm just like this, I'm
Speaker 2: like where am I? But I don't know. I feel
Speaker 2: like I was in Pleasantville or something. Man, I was
Speaker 2: just like, bro, what.
Speaker 1: Made Pete Carroll more free spirited?
Speaker 2: Well, Pete, I just also people. I just like Pete
Speaker 2: didn't really like bother us that much about certain things,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It was just like you
Speaker 2: do your job, come to work. It was more like
Speaker 2: team type thing and like and every time I ever
Speaker 2: been on the defensive line was most like one of
Speaker 2: the most important parts of the team, the best. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so like whatever, it's like that. Like in New England,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's more about the secondary and the linebackers,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like if you're a linebacker,
Speaker 2: like you outside linebacker, you got more opportunities than a
Speaker 2: front defensive lineman, like a three four defensive lineman. But
Speaker 2: I do think if I could have went to New England,
Speaker 2: like starting off, then I would would have been completely different.
Speaker 2: I think I would have like fitting way more because
Speaker 2: that would have been the system that I know, and
Speaker 2: I feel like with Bill Belichick and my skill set,
Speaker 2: I would have I could have been really good in
Speaker 2: that system. But where I was at, like just coming
Speaker 2: from Philly, like it was more like, well, lineup wide
Speaker 2: and just just go, just go, you know what, I'm
Speaker 2: saying there was never nothing about the plays. I like
Speaker 2: the plays that was called. Like, I just like, it's
Speaker 2: like the team. The teammates in New England, I were
Speaker 2: super great, you know, all the guys that were super
Speaker 2: fun they had hang out with. It was just always
Speaker 2: fun in the locker room. But I was just like
Speaker 2: the team was completely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a different place to play.
Speaker 2: It's completely different. Reminds me of like a college town
Speaker 2: kind of like like we play at one o'clock and
Speaker 2: it's like very you know, Corn on the cop type ship,
Speaker 2: you know what, Like what's going on? Corn? The whole
Speaker 2: town shuts down. It's just like, but.
Speaker 1: Were the practices different? Because I felt like he practicedes hard.
Speaker 2: He did practice as hard in this situation, completely different
Speaker 2: because I also too didn't like like I got hurt
Speaker 2: in New England, like at the at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the training camp and like I broke my collarbone. So
Speaker 2: I basically was there and that's the part it was too. Why.
Speaker 2: I was also just like, man, like they want me
Speaker 2: to play three four and I can't even lift my
Speaker 2: fucking right arm, like it was my left arm. I'll
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, you know what I'm saying, But not
Speaker 2: my right arm, like it's the one that I actually need.
Speaker 2: The left one I could have did without, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I could have made it work. But
Speaker 2: it was like the right one, like my collar ball
Speaker 2: is still sticking out right there. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 2: it was just like it was just gone. You know,
Speaker 2: I couldn't lift my arm up there.
Speaker 1: Shoulders you can't. You can't catch and.
Speaker 2: Trying to hold up another lineman at three four, like.
Speaker 1: At twenty rounds, and that guy's a force. Like the shoulder.
Speaker 1: I remember, shoulders are always go with the big boys
Speaker 1: because they're sitting in there, locking in. There's so much
Speaker 1: goddamn pressure in between both three hundred and three hundred
Speaker 1: pounds or two whatever, like if a guy loses his shoulder,
Speaker 1: they were limemen were done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I remember I didn't cuss the coach out,
Speaker 2: but I said something that was it sounded like I
Speaker 2: was cursing him out, but I didn't curse him out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're loud.
Speaker 2: I said a curse word, but the way I said it,
Speaker 2: he took it the wrong way. But I remember Bill
Speaker 2: being calling me and he was like, hey, Michael Ken,
Speaker 2: have you doing that? Look, I want you to come in,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's not it's just in a you're looking
Speaker 2: in the handbook pays three thirty eight point nine. You
Speaker 2: can't do that. I'm like, let me look at thirty
Speaker 2: eight point nine. Yeah, he says, they can't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to find you and you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to stay home this week. See you on Monday, get
Speaker 2: some rest and be ready to go when you come back.
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, Bill, that's not that's not how that's
Speaker 4: that's exactly.
Speaker 1: He brought out the number and everything. Yes, chapter six thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when I came to New England. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I was like, man, I want a
Speaker 2: couple more million or whatever. And then Bill was like,
Speaker 2: well tell me why you need more? And I was
Speaker 2: like this this this thing. He's like, Okay, let me
Speaker 2: think about it. You know what I'm saying. But he's
Speaker 2: literally like a type of person that if you give
Speaker 2: him like he's really a numbers person, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. Like it really comes down to like what
Speaker 2: you're doing, how you doing it? Why are you coming through?
Speaker 2: Like any kind of like going into this office is
Speaker 2: like you know, you learn a lot even being at
Speaker 2: the Patriots meeting, like they never really like in Seattle,
Speaker 2: they never really called out like Rustle on certain things,
Speaker 2: but like you know, like but Bill will call tell
Speaker 2: him out on everything. How's a guy who's been the
Speaker 2: MVP four times, it's won the championship six times, throw
Speaker 2: this fucking route right here. It's like it's like you've
Speaker 2: seen it before. Tom. It was like you're just back there,
Speaker 2: like Dad, he's going off with Tom Brady right now.
Speaker 1: Let you know, everyone's own limits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I remember the first meeting in preseason and
Speaker 2: h o OTAs or something, and Bill came in there
Speaker 2: and he had like the little paper and he like
Speaker 2: dropped and it was like one of those things where
Speaker 2: it was like I think he was just sitting the
Speaker 2: stage to tell everybody, if you questioned me, shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up, but basically because he was like, here's my credentials.
Speaker 2: Basically it was like seven times, like it was just
Speaker 2: going down the rids, like twenty two, twenty years of
Speaker 2: winning the end of this like seventeen deep. You remember,
Speaker 2: it was like it was like all the stats of
Speaker 2: all the things and you were like it's like so
Speaker 2: I know what I'm talking about. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he does. You're like that that's it right there, he right,
Speaker 2: he know. Hey, we listened to him. So like I
Speaker 2: had a good time there, but like I said, I
Speaker 2: just didn't fit into the defense at the time because
Speaker 2: it was kind of changing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we love I love David in there because I
Speaker 1: was real close to Marty and you were kind of
Speaker 1: like a little Marty issue. Yeah, but I didn't get
Speaker 1: to see an everyday meeting. But I'd always jive with
Speaker 1: you in the locker room because we know he's you know,
Speaker 1: defense offense. We're kind of different teams. But Bill would
Speaker 1: address the team for fifty minutes forty five minutes every morning,
Speaker 1: the whole team, Yeah, which is probably different than anywhere
Speaker 1: you have been in either. Yeah, like he break down offense, defense,
Speaker 1: special teams in front of everyone, so everyone heard the
Speaker 1: lashings of everyone else. Yeah, just so like when you're
Speaker 1: walking down the hall.
Speaker 2: Everybody got it, you know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 2: just like like, yeah, you knew, like that meeting there
Speaker 2: was really cool and so I enjoyed myself there that
Speaker 2: we were nine in one of the last ten games.
Speaker 1: Let's get down to the Seattle Sea Crazy.
Speaker 2: Let's get into these Seahawks twelve and four.
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll, dan Quinn led defense, Darryl Bevell coaching the offense.
Speaker 4: Is the fifth year of the Pete Carroll regime. We
Speaker 4: know about the league in the Boom they're looking to repeat.
Speaker 4: Started three and three and then it's like Michael said,
Speaker 4: finished nine and one. They were hot, beat Green Bay
Speaker 4: in the first game of the season.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 4: Uh, that will a little foreshadowing for this matchup year
Speaker 4: repeaters NFC West Champs. Let's get in on some of
Speaker 4: these guys, Russell Wilson, Beast Moode, Marshawn Lynch, Thug Bald,
Speaker 4: when Jermaine Curse, Chris Matthews who got hot around this
Speaker 4: time of the year. And then the defense, we know
Speaker 4: the defense maybe curse of course, Cliff Averroll, Michael Bennett,
Speaker 4: Bruce Irv and Bobby Wagner, kJ Right, Cam Chancellor. This
Speaker 4: was stacked Earl Thomas, Earl Tom.
Speaker 1: Now is the Legion of Boom just the secondary or
Speaker 1: is it the whole thing?
Speaker 2: I think it's the whole defense, But it depends on
Speaker 2: you asked right. I think the Legion of Boom kind
Speaker 2: of started with their before I got there, kind of,
Speaker 2: and I think it became a lot better once me
Speaker 2: and Cliff and te Matt got there. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: think it was considered the whole defense I think, I
Speaker 2: mean depends that you asked, right. I mean, they do
Speaker 2: have a little offense a restaurant called Legions Sherman Cam.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. They got gumba. I didn't like any
Speaker 2: place that got gumbo. Honestly, that's a sign for me
Speaker 2: to be like, yeah, that's rest.
Speaker 1: He's from Louisiana. Never had gumbo. You never had gumbo
Speaker 1: until I went to like Ohio, and.
Speaker 2: Like Ohio, that's not the place to get it, I know.
Speaker 1: But that like all our coaches are from the South,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like anytime you go
Speaker 1: anywhere for the first I was a California kid, then
Speaker 1: you go anywhere else. All coaches are from the South.
Speaker 1: So like we always had like you know, the catering
Speaker 1: food would be like gumbo and barbecue, and I never
Speaker 1: really had it, never had grits. Before college. We're oatmeal.
Speaker 1: People went on the cap, you know. No, I would
Speaker 1: say the strength of the team, like when we were
Speaker 1: preparing for Seattle and the Super Bowl the next or
Speaker 1: a few weeks later. The next week, it was it
Speaker 1: all came down to the defensive line because they could
Speaker 1: get pressure with four guys, and then everyone else was
Speaker 1: on a string, and everyone did their responsibility, so damn good.
Speaker 1: But they did what you guys did what you do.
Speaker 1: You didn't change for really nobody, you know. That's kind
Speaker 1: of that was the thing about dan Quinn and his defenses.
Speaker 1: They do what they do. Everyone's gonna play on a string.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get pressure with four and so the legion,
Speaker 1: the boom to me has to be associated with the defense,
Speaker 1: defensive line, the front box has to be in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's such a you guys played such team defense
Speaker 1: and everyone swarmed. Everyone was super unselfish. If it was
Speaker 1: a screen like you watched the plays when I caught
Speaker 1: a screen or something, fucking Bennett would be there, the
Speaker 1: defensive lineman would be there. They would all swarm. Nothing
Speaker 1: was more. You'd always hear Bill would throw on a
Speaker 1: tape of Pete Carroll saying ball, everyone after the ball,
Speaker 1: or say.
Speaker 2: Shit like yeah, the ball, ball, all that matters is
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 1: So like we knew going into him, that this defense
Speaker 1: they swarm, They're gonna get pressure with four and then
Speaker 1: the secondary they had, you know, shirm back there. Cam
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas was a fucking torpedo and like you guys
Speaker 1: just play. You guys were insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were super fast too, like fast swarm That's
Speaker 2: what it was like. Everybody was like everyone was fast. Everybody,
Speaker 2: Like I think the slowest person ran like a four
Speaker 2: to six. You know what I'm saying. Like yeah, like defense,
Speaker 2: so it was like a super fast defense. So everybody
Speaker 2: was like spreading the whole time and like and I
Speaker 2: just remember like being on that defense and like we
Speaker 2: would make so many plays and like on screen games,
Speaker 2: returns in general just had so many turnovers just because,
Speaker 2: like you said, we stayed to who we were regardless
Speaker 2: of who we were playing. Were like, look, we're gonna
Speaker 2: make them beat us.
Speaker 1: Now, how do you sum up this team? This is
Speaker 1: just grit again, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think this team was there was a versatility and grit.
Speaker 2: I think there was a lot of versatility that season,
Speaker 2: just like people being moved in and out and just
Speaker 2: like we lost some good guys that prior season, like
Speaker 2: like brend and me Bank got hurt in it during
Speaker 2: the year, Like that kind of changed a little thing.
Speaker 2: But we also had Kevin Williams when she was a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and we was with the Vikings, so
Speaker 2: it's like we have some really really good guys. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think Grit too. I think Grit was his team
Speaker 2: because we just lost. It came off the Super Bowl
Speaker 2: and the whole idea was like, how do you go
Speaker 2: back when you win a Super Bowl? You know, it's
Speaker 2: like it's a feeling, but it's not like it's just
Speaker 2: a day. You know what I'm saying it again, It's
Speaker 2: just like you wake up and do it. It's like
Speaker 2: it's now an eternal thing. It's like it's like you
Speaker 2: you happy for like ten minutes and then like they're
Speaker 2: trying to see who's going to win it. It's a business,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Like the highs aren't as high as you think they're
Speaker 1: going to be, but the lows are lower than what
Speaker 1: you think they're going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: You know, like because when you go out and win
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, it becomes so much harder the next
Speaker 1: year that you have to work almost you have to
Speaker 1: work harder than you did the year before to maintain
Speaker 1: it to get there, and I never got I never
Speaker 1: went back to back, Like because you become America's most
Speaker 1: number one target. You're on that billboard. Anytime you play
Speaker 1: a team, they're circling you because you're a measuring stick.
Speaker 1: And it's just becomes so much harder. And then there's
Speaker 1: a whole year of film of what you're you were
Speaker 1: great at that teams are combating.
Speaker 2: So that's what makes Patrick Mahomes really great because it's
Speaker 2: like every year this guy's in the super Bowl, even
Speaker 2: if he doesn't win it, I'm like, he's back, you guys,
Speaker 2: you know, like that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: Now, can you describe the atmosphere and Centuryle Like I
Speaker 1: played there once and it was so freaking loud, Like
Speaker 1: how do you guys get those people out?
Speaker 2: Man? Those people they're so crazy. Man, Like we you know,
Speaker 2: we couldn't play Future, but when we did, I'm joking, guys,
Speaker 2: a whole rumor, but like we would play like Rick
Speaker 2: Ross the Future, like that stadium when it's reigning, like
Speaker 2: it'll be rocking. It was just so loud. It was
Speaker 2: really hard for opposing offenses like to really.
Speaker 1: They lead the league in like offside's penalties by away teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me getting off the ball and there was
Speaker 2: just like it was just like super easy, like it
Speaker 2: was just like you always get that first step because
Speaker 2: it's just like you were just the stateium is so loud.
Speaker 2: The way that is also the way there's design too,
Speaker 2: Like it's kind of design like this, so the way
Speaker 2: that the noise and sonic bounce off of the Sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm just going tall, but the design kind.
Speaker 1: Of liked that it closes, it keeps.
Speaker 2: Sounding so like it becomes louder and it may not
Speaker 2: be unlike you know, like the Arrowhead with it pump
Speaker 2: in sound. You know they say they don't, but it's
Speaker 2: clearly pumping inside.
Speaker 1: Arrowhead or is it I thought it was Indy.
Speaker 2: I think both both. But I think you want to
Speaker 2: see that when you like are like when you're doing
Speaker 2: commentating and stuff, you see that behind the scenes stuff,
Speaker 2: so you see a lot of the I.
Speaker 1: Mean I heard Indy did no Airs just came out
Speaker 1: and said, no, what you're saying, We'd love to have
Speaker 1: you come on the podcast and combat it, but you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they do. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 2: they do maybe they don't though I think they do.
Speaker 2: But I know for us it was it was natural.
Speaker 2: It was no bbls.
Speaker 4: You know, when the crowd noise starts skipping, something's up
Speaker 4: when the track skips.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Brazilian butlers, what's up with the pads that
Speaker 1: you wore?
Speaker 2: I just I never really liked the shoulder pass thing.
Speaker 2: I feel like if I didn't have to wear them,
Speaker 2: I probably would.
Speaker 1: You barely. You didn't wear shoulders, I know, but the
Speaker 1: shells just shells. Basically you were shells. You didn't get
Speaker 1: a shoulder banged up. You have bad shoulders.
Speaker 2: Just the one time in New England doing goddamn Aggie drill,
Speaker 2: that drill we used to do the Oklahoma drill that
Speaker 2: they said it wasn't Oklahoma drill. You know That's what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: What is the blocking drill?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like this is a routine block drum. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: this is this is Oklahoma drill, Like not supposed to
Speaker 2: be this type of contact right now?
Speaker 1: Did they call it like tould It wasn't Oklahoma, but
Speaker 1: it was. But Tulsa's place in Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Do you know Tosa is a bad place for black
Speaker 2: people Black Wall Street. They not gonna name me after that, Like,
Speaker 2: but we did that and but no, I just always
Speaker 2: liked to be movement and I had my jersey a
Speaker 2: certain way, so I was it was really good with
Speaker 2: my hands, so it didn't really matter about the past
Speaker 2: that much.
Speaker 1: It's also better so the offensive line couldn't hold you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then when I used to hit people, it
Speaker 2: was like like I was good at tackle for loss.
Speaker 2: So I used to always hit the running back before
Speaker 2: he got the ball. Yeah, So it was like more
Speaker 2: tackles like quick. Yeah, it was really quick. I never
Speaker 2: really heard the like linebacker. Maybe if I was a
Speaker 2: linebacker it would be different. But since I was like
Speaker 2: and also too, I grew up loving the way that
Speaker 2: Justice Smith played the game. He always had like zero
Speaker 2: zero Justice Smith was one of my favorite players growing up.
Speaker 2: John Abraham, Oh see like all those guys, the people
Speaker 2: that I looked.
Speaker 1: Up to, Wow, I used to watch. I remember the
Speaker 1: same thing like when I when I became a receiver,
Speaker 1: you'd always want the smallest pads because I didn't want
Speaker 1: like when you'd rip and I'm trying to get under
Speaker 1: on a speed release, I didn't want him to get
Speaker 1: his shoulder pad or his hand on my shoulder pad.
Speaker 1: So the smaller surface here, it's better for you, it is.
Speaker 1: This is true, but it was a fine line because
Speaker 1: I get ta that had follow my shoulders.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like it was.
Speaker 1: I would always I remember walking. I was like, is
Speaker 1: he wearing fucking shells out there?
Speaker 2: And my shoulder paths are super small. I enjoyed it, though.
Speaker 2: You know, everybody would be like, how did you even
Speaker 2: every game? And they'd be like, like, I don't care
Speaker 2: about to knock somebody out.
Speaker 3: When did that start?
Speaker 2: I started when I was in Tampa. I used to
Speaker 2: always cut my shoulder pass and the GM used to
Speaker 2: always be like, you can't do that. If you have
Speaker 2: to do that, this waiver did he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Who was that Jr?
Speaker 2: No? No, it was uh Mark dominant dominant. Justic Smith
Speaker 2: was a dog. I don' understand why just Smith's not
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame yet.
Speaker 1: I forgot about him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I was a Niners fan.
Speaker 2: But look, go back to that picture, man, look at
Speaker 2: this picture of America, like like this guy's like like
Speaker 2: it's bleeding on his head, Like you don't even see
Speaker 2: people bleed. No more like this in the NFL like
Speaker 2: like this is like that guy's really come out there
Speaker 2: to play football, like this new football stuff. Two fingers taped,
Speaker 2: take the round the hands now, guys got it? Like
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's like it's not the new
Speaker 2: Travis Scott's you know, like it's not hype Beast, you know,
Speaker 2: like you list is the one that Jay Z has
Speaker 2: on coys doesn't have any clatch Like that.
Speaker 1: Guy right there, like he looks like he eats cement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy plays football. That's a guy that plays football.
Speaker 1: He eat that guy to Those are the guys that I.
Speaker 2: Grew up watching, you know, not everybody's doing oh that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. That guy don't do that kind of stuff. No,
Speaker 2: he let the kind of guy if he slap you
Speaker 2: in back of your head, your neck might hurt, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely looks like he will slap you in
Speaker 1: the back of the head.
Speaker 2: Bull ring. He extended bull ring too, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Probably so you could get a finger in there when someone's.
Speaker 2: Getting guy bleeding everywhere. Right now, man, come on, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Jackie, let's let's get into the game, all right,
Speaker 1: Let's get in a little lead up here. As we
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier's a rematch a week one. Seattle took that
Speaker 1: one thirty six sixteen. UH finished on a six game
Speaker 1: win streak. Green Bay, on the other hand, finished winning
Speaker 1: seven of their last eight. Seattle was the number one seed,
Speaker 1: got that first round by beat Carolina in the division
Speaker 1: round thirty one seventeen. Green Bay number two seed first
Speaker 1: run by also beat Dallas in the division round.
Speaker 4: That was a notable game. That was the des catch game.
Speaker 4: Remember that was to catch cat.
Speaker 2: I think it was a catch. I think you know
Speaker 2: what the.
Speaker 1: Catch is anymore, it's hard to find.
Speaker 2: I think that that was his that's his only time
Speaker 2: that that he's able to get to get to the
Speaker 2: super Bowl. I thought that.
Speaker 1: Was that was I feel like Jerry.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jerry Jones has done so much stuff
Speaker 2: that like God is like when you die, you win
Speaker 2: the super Bowl, but you can enjoy it up here
Speaker 2: with me. You won't get to enjoyed on earth because
Speaker 2: you enjoyed too much stuff on earth.
Speaker 1: He I mean, he got bots, got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Because it doesn't make sense amount of money that they
Speaker 2: put into Dallas at this moment not to have won something.
Speaker 2: It's and that year was a great year. DeMarco Murray, Beast,
Speaker 2: Tony Romo, the office on line was stacked. Defense is
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 1: But is that the Romo flub snap game?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: That was that was next year.
Speaker 2: That was like, yeah, that's what that was in Seattle.
Speaker 2: That was crazy.
Speaker 4: But uh and then another way to Aaron Rodgers, the
Speaker 4: calf was a little banged up in this one.
Speaker 2: So uh need some building excuses coming into it.
Speaker 1: Now, how you how do you guys get hot? Would
Speaker 1: you guys change up? You guys just recalibrating focus after
Speaker 1: having a little Super Bowl hangover, a little.
Speaker 2: Hango right there. We just had a team meeting and it
Speaker 2: was like what we gonna do? Man?
Speaker 1: You know here now who leads that team meeting? Is
Speaker 1: it Russell Wilson?
Speaker 2: No? What Camp Tresco was like the more of the
Speaker 2: heart of the team. Yeah, like can you see that?
Speaker 2: Cam Treensl was like the guy that like he's not
Speaker 2: gonna say a lot of stuff, but like when you
Speaker 2: start to say stuff, because Earl Thomas doesn't really talk
Speaker 2: that much, you know what I'm saying, He's just kind
Speaker 2: of like more chilling with his One of his big
Speaker 2: roads raices outside, you know, really come to practice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then Cam is like the guy that's like he
Speaker 2: says something. He's kind of charm as a talker. But
Speaker 2: then Cam's like the enforcer, right, So Cam was the
Speaker 2: guy kind of like that pulled the team to get
Speaker 2: at that moment because he cares so much about the game. Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think people will realize how he didn't.
Speaker 1: Swear much, did he?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I remember. I always tell a story about
Speaker 1: when the first block, I would always go in and
Speaker 1: block the force and I would lay the ham on him.
Speaker 1: I would fucking I was short. I wasn't small. I
Speaker 1: was still one hundred and eighty eight pounds. So I
Speaker 1: could go in and I could light a guy up
Speaker 1: to let him know the first play, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: here all day.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I did that to fucking Cam Chancellor, and I got woozy.
Speaker 1: He like knocked me out damn near first play the game,
Speaker 1: and he felt like he was rooted like a tree.
Speaker 2: He's a big guy, man, I don't think he's just strong.
Speaker 1: He wasn't even looking at me. He just gave me
Speaker 1: an arm and I went in and try to give
Speaker 1: him helmet to helmet because that's what you do is blockers.
Speaker 1: You know, you want to give a little kiss. And
Speaker 1: he fucking lit me up and he knew I was
Speaker 1: a little jacked up. He says, it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: long day, young fella, or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's kind of a lone those things
Speaker 2: like like Cam new is the same way right right,
Speaker 2: Like people don't realize how big Cam Newton was. Him
Speaker 2: is huge. Yeah, Like there's some people that are just
Speaker 2: like genetic freaks, you know. And yeah, so you know,
Speaker 2: Cam came in here and we had the team meeting
Speaker 2: and kind of got it together, kind of bring everybody
Speaker 2: together because you're like, you know, people start fingerporn. Who's
Speaker 2: the success, who's not the success? No, we win because
Speaker 2: I mean now we winning because each other. It's a balance,
Speaker 2: like yeah, we're a great defense. But if they don't
Speaker 2: score points, I mean, I mean, we just need you
Speaker 2: to score like six points, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like we can we can hold them to three, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like but if like the whole
Speaker 2: point is that we needed to get them to come
Speaker 2: together and like with Earl, me with Cam and the
Speaker 2: defense coming together in offense, and just coom Bay. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Doug Baldman was a really good leader too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Doug was I always respected baldwin Man. I
Speaker 1: thought he was. He always made big plays when the
Speaker 1: team needed it. He always you know, like you guys,
Speaker 1: a black version of you he could be. He was tough,
Speaker 1: He blocked hard.
Speaker 2: He's a black version of you, is he? Yeah?
Speaker 1: How is he? Is he the same size?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, by the same size.
Speaker 1: He was good, I'll take it. He scored some touchdowns
Speaker 1: and some Super Bowls now.
Speaker 2: But Doug, Doug is super a player, and he was
Speaker 2: tough and and he would like do the things like
Speaker 2: you said, like the block, and he respected every part
Speaker 2: of the game. He was a student of the game.
Speaker 2: And I think with Doug and Cam like coming in
Speaker 2: that kind of changed the whole thing, is like.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, and so when this game was so
Speaker 1: I remember specifically, I was getting ready for the game
Speaker 1: and they delayed our game because you guys went overtime.
Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck is going on? It's national football,
Speaker 1: he's multi billion dollar corporation. What do we Why are
Speaker 1: we postponing a goddamn game?
Speaker 2: Oh? Because they want everybody to watch out the next one.
Speaker 2: If you want to watch this one. We're moving that
Speaker 2: one back. We own this ship.
Speaker 1: And so I go into the equipment room and it
Speaker 1: was right when the on site kick happened. I'm like,
Speaker 1: no fucking way, Like I didn't. I didn't realize until
Speaker 1: I started doing I mean, I remember back in the day.
Speaker 1: This is ten years ago now, but I didn't really
Speaker 1: I forgot how fucking crazy of a game this was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy because.
Speaker 1: You guys had two goal line stops in the first
Speaker 1: quarter off of a pick and off of a what
Speaker 1: a kickoff return fumble? Yep, And like I'm sitting here like,
Speaker 1: how the fuck did this team win? And then we
Speaker 1: get back and we'll get into the game, but like
Speaker 1: I remember specifically, I'm sitting here like on site kick, Wow,
Speaker 1: there's no way there getting and you guys got it.
Speaker 1: And then that's right when we had to go out.
Speaker 1: And so it was crazy.
Speaker 2: Because I think we only gave a one touchdown.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, one touchdown. It was the the touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I jumped outside. But so we
Speaker 2: still won. But at the end of the day, that
Speaker 2: was a hard game because Russell threw so many interceptions.
Speaker 2: It was just like rus, come on, bro, like not
Speaker 2: three against this team. And that kind of happened the year.
Speaker 2: The next year we lost against y'all, but we had
Speaker 2: a kind of beat up season, but we still was
Speaker 2: able to like put it together. We beat the lines
Speaker 2: and then we went down to Carolina and that's when Carolina,
Speaker 2: that's when Kim New was at his this. We could
Speaker 2: have won that game too, but rustled through so many
Speaker 2: interceptions that game, and like it was just like, bro,
Speaker 2: like we can. God only gives us this every once
Speaker 2: in a while, you know, like do what you do
Speaker 2: with the thing, you know. But that game was just
Speaker 2: a challenging game because on defense, it was like we
Speaker 2: had to keep going stop. But like that was the
Speaker 2: first game that like when I was on defense that
Speaker 2: when they threw an interception, it wasn't people going like
Speaker 2: it was like all right, all right, like like let's
Speaker 2: go like like how we're gonna do this, Like it
Speaker 2: ain't gonna be us, you know what I'm saying, gonna
Speaker 2: be They're not gonna give up nothing on us today.
Speaker 2: So that's how we went out there every single time,
Speaker 2: was like look, were about to go out here and
Speaker 2: stop them, stop them again, stopped them again, Like you know,
Speaker 2: even in that that fourth quarter, like those stops that
Speaker 2: we made to get the ball back, those are a
Speaker 2: hard stop because they try to run the clock out,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's the part that it's
Speaker 2: hard than two minutes a lot of times because it's
Speaker 2: like they got so that was a really hard game.
Speaker 1: Because what goes into a goal line stand like what
Speaker 1: what what do you have to do to stop an
Speaker 1: offense from running the like when what is it? Defensive
Speaker 1: line has to have penetrate? What is it?
Speaker 2: Penetration? Penetration kills all runs if you know that, especially
Speaker 2: on stretch plays anytime you get it. That's why three
Speaker 2: techniques are so important in certain schemes because three technique
Speaker 2: is kind of the pillar to getting the defense going.
Speaker 1: And what's the three technique?
Speaker 2: Three technique is the one that lines up on the guard.
Speaker 1: One that lines up on the guard.
Speaker 2: For you listeners, Yeah, he could be a two eye,
Speaker 2: he could be a three depending on the shade of it.
Speaker 2: But most of the time you have people like the
Speaker 2: people that you know, they're in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: they mostly all were three techniques. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: because they're the ones that get the sacks, they're the
Speaker 2: ones that get off the ball. Like I was a
Speaker 2: three technique and a defensive man, so those a hard
Speaker 2: place to play. But we in this game, it was
Speaker 2: just like getting the penetration and stop them from being
Speaker 2: able to move forward on the run. With a guy
Speaker 2: like Eddie Lacy, that means you got to have a
Speaker 2: lot of people. He's not the first person is probably
Speaker 2: not gonna take him down, so everybody has to be
Speaker 2: able to swarm. Swarm, so we have to swarm a
Speaker 2: lot to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: How was it playing under quinn man dan Quinn?
Speaker 2: I still talk to dan Quinn a lot. I feel
Speaker 2: like dan Quinn was one of the defensive courtner that
Speaker 2: has ever had a chance to play with because he
Speaker 2: just knew the game and he just would teach you
Speaker 2: and he wouldn't settle for anything. If you notice, like
Speaker 2: almost every team he goes to, the defensive defense is
Speaker 2: pretty good, and he defensive line is his favorite, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, So like you never gonna see
Speaker 2: him with not a stacked defensive line, Like look at
Speaker 2: the defensive line of the Commanders. They had a stack
Speaker 2: defensive line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what they were selling a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: He's developing guys.
Speaker 2: He's developing guys. But still they had the two D
Speaker 2: tackles that were he loves D tackles, so like looking
Speaker 2: at the Cowboys, look at the Falcons like always, you know,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's cracks in the defense if you don't
Speaker 2: come back. You know, He's been a part of the
Speaker 2: two worst comebacks and the NFL, but still still great defense.
Speaker 1: Court, I mean, you still got to get there. And
Speaker 1: he's he's taking the team to the super Bowl and
Speaker 1: he's got a young quarterback and Jayden Daniels that's looking
Speaker 1: really damn good. He's got a good situation. The only
Speaker 1: thing I get scared of dan Quinn it's the same
Speaker 1: thing that happened Atlanta when Kyle Shanahan leaves. How's he
Speaker 1: going to react?
Speaker 2: Oh, he's a great p knows how.
Speaker 1: He knows that defense. But once Kyle Shanahan left Atlanta
Speaker 1: wasn't the same. Yeah, but that's Cliff Kingsbury is there
Speaker 1: right now. He's going to develop Jade and Jaden is
Speaker 1: looking great. What if he leaves and gets a head
Speaker 1: coaching job next year.
Speaker 2: But then he has to be able to have the
Speaker 2: right people behind him too. Yeah, it's hard, though, you
Speaker 2: have good coaches and that's the heart.
Speaker 1: That's what people don't realize. When you win, you lose.
Speaker 1: You're losing. You're losing players, and you're losing coaches. You know,
Speaker 1: look at the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I think that's why it was Name never leaves the
Speaker 2: defense coordinator because he's.
Speaker 1: Like Fags, like he's already kind of done that.
Speaker 2: It's like, this is a good situation. I don't have
Speaker 2: to you know what I'm saying, Like, I get to
Speaker 2: worry about defense and I know we're gonna win.
Speaker 1: That was a lot of why we had our success
Speaker 1: because our coaches stayed intact, like the diving Fears. Scar
Speaker 1: was there for a long time, Chatty o'she was there
Speaker 1: for eleven years, you know, the belichickair. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that stayed. We had Maddy p
Speaker 1: and Flow and all those guys. Once they start, you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's a huge part of it.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of those guys be good coaches. But
Speaker 2: then it's like it's different when you lead your own
Speaker 2: team because some of the tactics that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. You got to learn have you got
Speaker 1: to learn to have be your own figure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't just go try to be Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's only Yeah, everybody don't. Yeah, it's hard for
Speaker 2: other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack the game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we covered the the intro here. Two picks
Speaker 4: in the first five minutes that would be a theme
Speaker 4: for the day, interceptions by both sides. We got a
Speaker 4: green Bay field goal after the first one, one of
Speaker 4: those first defensive stands on the goal line that we
Speaker 4: talked about. Then the Doug Baldwin fumbling the kickoff another
Speaker 4: stand on the goal line only resulted in three. Then
Speaker 4: at the end of the quarter we got the thirteen
Speaker 4: to nothing with the free play Rogers to Cobb, only
Speaker 4: touchdown on the day.
Speaker 2: For green Bay.
Speaker 4: Moving in the second quarter, two more Russell interceptions, a
Speaker 4: Rogers interception, there's a three drives in a row that
Speaker 4: all end in interceptions, and then pick Fest Yeah, Pickfest
Speaker 4: nine seven left, he throws his second one still has
Speaker 4: yet to make a completion. Russ's I mean, we got
Speaker 4: three picks and no completions.
Speaker 1: Crazy in the first half. In the first half, how
Speaker 1: do first off, what's Pete Carroll's halftime like, and then
Speaker 1: what's halftime of this game with defense?
Speaker 2: Like Pete Carrol's like, so we're gonna do. We'll play
Speaker 2: good defense, We'll get a Bottimore shank and Russell just
Speaker 2: complete some passes. We're gonna win, all right, guys, we
Speaker 2: can go out there and win. We can go out
Speaker 2: there and win if we play good defense and get
Speaker 2: a Baltimore shank and we just played the game. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: we're not really down by much. Let's go out there
Speaker 2: and it's like, bro sixteen zero? How many?
Speaker 1: How many pieces of gum does he go through a game?
Speaker 2: Man? He has a gum guy. Everybody, you're not really
Speaker 2: rich if you don't have a gum guy. And he's
Speaker 2: right hand piece of gum. Yeah, you know he's got
Speaker 2: a monarch guy too. He rocks those monarchs. He loves
Speaker 2: the Nike mind brought Peek Carroll brought those monarchs back.
Speaker 2: He did single handedly something like Kanye, it was Pee, Now,
Speaker 2: what do you what do you guys?
Speaker 1: As a defense? Is Quinn talking to you guys? Are
Speaker 1: you guys having a players only.
Speaker 2: We having a player's defensive meeting, Just being like, look,
Speaker 2: coaches don't even need to come in here. This come
Speaker 2: down to us doing executing at the highest level. Look,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what Russell does or what it does.
Speaker 2: We don't we gave up some points. The field goal
Speaker 2: is still mad at us, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, it's like, don't
Speaker 2: even let them get in field. Go position, Like let's
Speaker 2: just keep them back, stop them every opportunity that we get.
Speaker 2: Play great defense, you know what I'm saying, And just
Speaker 2: anybody to get the ball, knock them out, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like a court get just hit the quarterback,
Speaker 2: make him feel the office in line, no excuses. This
Speaker 2: is the last game of the year. If if you
Speaker 2: don't play this game and you can have a great
Speaker 2: time in Cabo in the week, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like this is about going to Arizona. So it's like, look,
Speaker 2: I don't care if your show to hurt. I don't
Speaker 2: care what you're going through at home. Like you need
Speaker 2: to be hyper focused right now, detailed, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, to win this type of game. And I
Speaker 2: think that's what we kind of settled down and did.
Speaker 1: Now what's more Sean doing in the locker room at
Speaker 1: a halftime?
Speaker 2: I don't want to.
Speaker 12: I love he just like, Man, I've been telling you'all
Speaker 12: to give it the ball, man, y'all want to win
Speaker 12: the game, like like what we're doing right now, Like
Speaker 12: y'all stop me from dancing like you know what I'm saying, skittles,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 2: Like he's just like he's like I've been telling y'all
Speaker 2: just you know, like what we're doing. What's your best?
Speaker 1: What's your what's your best? Marshaw story man, nothing I
Speaker 1: can sell on camera. Man a lighthearted one.
Speaker 2: The best thing about Marshawn is that each day is real,
Speaker 2: regardless of the situation. You know, he's just whether winner
Speaker 2: or losing, like you get the same person. I think
Speaker 2: that's what I love about Marshawn. He's just a funny
Speaker 2: guy man, Like you know, even in Hawaii, Like he
Speaker 2: comes to Hawaii and then he will have like a
Speaker 2: Turkey drive or whatever. Like Marshaan's type. Person is always
Speaker 2: gonna go to whatever the most improverised people are in
Speaker 2: the world and go there first. He's not gone he
Speaker 2: go to London. He's not gonna go to the buckingheam palace,
Speaker 2: he can go, He's gonna go to London, to the
Speaker 2: East Side or but that's just who he is, right,
Speaker 2: he grew up in that type of area. So it's like,
Speaker 2: that's one thing I say about Marshawn, Like that's just
Speaker 2: the thing I like about him is that he just
Speaker 2: keeps it real like that the whole time.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 2: I went.
Speaker 1: So, I grew up in the Bay and I had
Speaker 1: a lot of friends that went to Berkeley with with Marshawn.
Speaker 1: And there's just such a funny story where Marshawn was
Speaker 1: coming off of the practice field in his in his
Speaker 1: full get up right and he liked my boy's bike.
Speaker 1: He's like, yo, my boy loved Marshawn because Marshaun was
Speaker 1: a superstar. And so my my boy goes, I'll trade
Speaker 1: you my bike for your helmet, and he goes, fuck it,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I got a sharpie will he signed it.
Speaker 1: He signed it, and my buddy still has to signed
Speaker 1: the Marshawn Lynch hat off for helmet. Could you imagine
Speaker 1: going back to in college, where's your helmet?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I got a bike, Like.
Speaker 2: Just real, so fucking funny but he was really beast
Speaker 2: in that game. That was really real, unreal like the
Speaker 2: runs and the hits and things that like how you
Speaker 2: play the game, you know, like Marshaan like you was
Speaker 2: just at one player. I don't think that the Green
Speaker 2: Bay wanted to tackle him in some of those players
Speaker 2: later on the game, like especially in.
Speaker 1: The third, the fourth runs angry.
Speaker 2: He runs angry the whole time. So he was very
Speaker 2: like he was very instrumental us whinning that game was
Speaker 2: him taking over the game and him getting the ball more.
Speaker 1: Now, where does he fit amongst running backs career?
Speaker 2: I would say that he's definitely Hall of Famer Ray.
Speaker 2: I think when you think about his time period, of
Speaker 2: the three running backs that were like the focal points
Speaker 2: at that time, which would be Adrian Peterson with Sean
Speaker 2: McCoy and Marshaan Lynch, Like those are the three guys
Speaker 2: if you think about the twenty tens to those are
Speaker 2: the guys that you were here. But there were other
Speaker 2: guys who like do good for the season, but like consistently,
Speaker 2: these were the guys that were the most consistent. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm leaving somebody out, but so Marshawn
Speaker 2: and his time period was definitely one of the best
Speaker 2: running backs.
Speaker 1: I agree, and.
Speaker 2: Y'all probably when y'all was watching y'all, he's probably one
Speaker 2: of the key players that y'all talking about, because I
Speaker 2: don't know what are the key players that you guys
Speaker 2: are looking at when you guys are playing.
Speaker 1: We have to stop Marshawan on offense, we are as
Speaker 1: a team, you know, we had to stop Marshawan and
Speaker 1: then we had to get vertical against the defense because
Speaker 1: you guys swarmed so much in ball security. That was like,
Speaker 1: those are the three things that I'm just thinking off
Speaker 1: off dome. Yeah, he was a huge I mean, I
Speaker 1: loved watching Marshawan and we played him a bunch when
Speaker 1: he was in Buffalo, Yeah, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: So we we knew what he was about.
Speaker 2: And I feel like his game went to another level
Speaker 2: when he got.
Speaker 1: To without a doubt, but he was still he was
Speaker 1: still franchise. He was he was still running, he was
Speaker 1: still a first rounder, yeah, you know, and he just
Speaker 1: made crazy plays. He's always I wish I got to
Speaker 1: play with Marshawn. He seems like a fucking awesome teammates,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he.
Speaker 2: Shows up to all the kids' birthday parties, all the
Speaker 2: things he's.
Speaker 1: I could I could see if I was like if
Speaker 1: because guys are always up and down in the locker room,
Speaker 1: people don't realize we see each other at her worst
Speaker 1: and at our best.
Speaker 2: So that's the thing. I feel like people didn't connect
Speaker 2: to Russell about right because you got like a guy
Speaker 2: like Marshaw who kind of shows up to everything. Then
Speaker 2: maybe Russell doesn't show up to everything. And people started
Speaker 2: feeling a certain way, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: it's like everybody's showing up to everybody's things, but it's like, well,
Speaker 2: you're not coming, like but it's like you go to
Speaker 2: everybody's birthday party, go to all kids' birthday parties, you know, weddings,
Speaker 2: all these different things. So like people want to see
Speaker 2: teammates invested in those type of things. And when people
Speaker 2: smell that, they can understand that something feels weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, what do you guys think about? What did
Speaker 1: you think about? You guys grind back? You guys somehow
Speaker 1: get a touchdown for the because the offense wasn't doing
Speaker 1: anything all day. The fake field goal, fake field goal touchdown.
Speaker 1: When you get that two point version. Are you sitting
Speaker 1: there like, well.
Speaker 2: At that time. I always believe that Russell Wilson was
Speaker 2: a great person who didn't really get overcome by anything.
Speaker 2: No matter how much noise he was here, how many
Speaker 2: things that was happening, he would be super focused, hyper focused.
Speaker 2: Like even in that situation, you know Bryce Young, I mean,
Speaker 2: for you know, he wouldn't do that. Like Bryce Young
Speaker 2: is saying that it's not his fault that he played bad.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it was your fault, you know, Like like,
Speaker 2: but Russell will say that at that time, like you
Speaker 2: could see that he still had like he still wanted
Speaker 2: to win. Like he wasn't like going down. He was
Speaker 2: talking to himself, he was like really like he made
Speaker 2: some mistakes, but he definitely was like he wanted to.
Speaker 1: When his team needed and he made a couple of plays.
Speaker 2: Wanted to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the resilience of that is was so
Speaker 4: incredible watching this and halftime he's two for nine twelve yards,
Speaker 4: three interceptions with a QBR of zero point zero.
Speaker 2: Like and then to come back and.
Speaker 1: When did you feel that you guys were gonna win
Speaker 1: this game? Was it the whole time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I thought it was gonna win the whole time. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I felt like we was just a moment of time
Speaker 2: before we have that that win. I felt like when
Speaker 2: they weren't capitalizing on all the interceptions and the turnovers,
Speaker 2: that eventually that we would get it and we'll figure out, like, man,
Speaker 2: maybe we should just start running the ball because it
Speaker 2: was kind of cold that day too.
Speaker 1: You guys, well, you guys ran the ball while you
Speaker 1: were down two scores of five minutes to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got That's crazy to me. We got Marshall Lynch
Speaker 1: without a doubt, But we didn't do that in.
Speaker 2: The Super Bowl, which was never made sense to me.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm like watching the game like
Speaker 2: you watched that little part. It's like, well we thought
Speaker 2: we do like they y'all was ready for the play offense,
Speaker 2: you know, like no, Mark, Yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 2: We ran the ball in that game and believed that
Speaker 2: Marshawn but Marshall and that game was just a tough
Speaker 2: game because Aaron Rodgers, like I said, you knew he's
Speaker 2: gonna be MVP. He had an incredible season, so like
Speaker 2: us stopping him in that scoring gave us a lot
Speaker 2: of opportunities to be able to win that game.
Speaker 4: That was huge there at the end, with like five left,
Speaker 4: Russell throws his fourth interception in the game. You're down
Speaker 4: to two scores, like, oh shit, and then the biggest
Speaker 4: I mean the biggest three and now you guys for
Speaker 4: us was you getting up the middle and getting through
Speaker 4: the lacy back to back times tackles for losses ends
Speaker 4: up third and sixteen forces that point, and like I.
Speaker 2: Was in my head, I was like, bro, I was like,
Speaker 2: they better not run this way because right now, like
Speaker 2: I was going to go for it, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I was going to go through the
Speaker 2: person and go to make that play out. Didn't care.
Speaker 2: I was like, like some hulk shit, Yeah, some hawk shit.
Speaker 2: I was like like literally, it was like three people
Speaker 2: blocking me, and I like picked the tight end up
Speaker 2: through the full back down and then made the running back.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't care right now. I
Speaker 2: don't really care about my body at this moment. I
Speaker 2: really just want to win this game.
Speaker 4: And hell it blew off. It was like full warrior mode.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of playoff football because whether guys will
Speaker 1: say it or not, there are calculated risks during the
Speaker 1: regular season. In playoffs, all that's out. That's why it's
Speaker 1: the most dangerous time to play, because guys don't give up.
Speaker 1: There's no tomorrow, No no tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Like I didn't care, like I know that tight end.
Speaker 2: Probably was like he's just gonna come off the ball, right.
Speaker 2: But then I'm like, plus the tight ends. I never
Speaker 2: let tight ends block me because I just.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you can't let it. You can't let a
Speaker 1: tight end.
Speaker 4: Gronk was good, but you know, Gronka block. The Gronker
Speaker 4: block and after that, we love Gronk. After that that
Speaker 4: awesome sting. Only eighteen seconds come off the clock, score
Speaker 4: get the on side kick, which is crazy. Chris Matthew,
Speaker 4: he was mister the man.
Speaker 1: Did you guys remember practicing that You saw that in practice?
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also was like Chris Matthews just had a
Speaker 2: great month. You know what I'm saying. If I was him,
Speaker 2: I would have played the lottery like every day, like
Speaker 2: you know what, like it's my time.
Speaker 1: Why did he have a great month?
Speaker 2: He played so good in that game, He played great
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. Yeah, and that he was like
Speaker 2: the champion of that game. Really, when we think about it.
Speaker 3: Sounds like one hundred and thirty scene that was most
Speaker 3: of his career. Yeah production, super yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then Marshaan to the go ahead touchdown, leave it like.
Speaker 2: That was so second. The way he walked, he goes backwards.
Speaker 1: He always you could be he did it like while
Speaker 1: he was looking at the guy, did you see it?
Speaker 1: Like he didn't do it to the world.
Speaker 2: He didn't do it to the world, kind of diving backwards.
Speaker 1: Then he went and shook his guy's hands. He's like,
Speaker 1: but he did the whole my d before he did
Speaker 1: on a sneak.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was thinking like that he was.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was. He was. He very one of the
Speaker 2: smart people ever.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: I love Marshan. We got to get him on here.
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 4: Then this thing goes into ot leave a little too
Speaker 4: much time on the clock, Mason Crosby Field, little forces
Speaker 4: over time. Russ and the boys get the kick or
Speaker 4: get the coin flip go down. Six plays, eighty seven yards,
Speaker 4: three minutes, nineteen seconds. Russ was three for three for
Speaker 4: eighty yards with the walk off, Duddy.
Speaker 2: The walk off that changed my Jamaine cursed life right.
Speaker 2: That was a tough catch. Jermaine Curse is really one
Speaker 2: of the most underrated receivers.
Speaker 1: He loves those seam route.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's made a lot of big plays that people overlook,
Speaker 2: you know, like the Malcolm play or the one where
Speaker 2: he like kicked the ball and caught it.
Speaker 1: Get the one again that was on Malcolm but oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like on the scene right in the Super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where like yeah, because Malcolm had a great play on it.
Speaker 2: But Jamaica has a great hand eye coordination, like lay
Speaker 2: the ball in the area. Well, he's also like a
Speaker 2: really great golf player. He's a decent tennis player.
Speaker 1: It can't beat me, but you get a tennis greater.
Speaker 2: Tennis Yeah, yeah, I punch cronk at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the aftermath, let's get in after the uh Europe.
Speaker 1: So did you get a little you did your little
Speaker 1: bike thing? Do you remember when Marshawn did it with
Speaker 1: the field car in college?
Speaker 2: You know, I remember him doing that, but I was
Speaker 2: just like I was tired. I was like, let me
Speaker 2: get around this. You know, Black people and the police
Speaker 2: we don't really get along. It was like that was
Speaker 2: really kind of there was an opportunity to change the
Speaker 2: world if they would have just followed me on that.
Speaker 2: You know, what do you mean? Like I was.
Speaker 1: That a cop?
Speaker 2: That was a cop?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was like, give me your bike, I'm coming during this?
Speaker 2: Did he cool?
Speaker 1: He was cool?
Speaker 2: It was cool with it. I don't know if that
Speaker 2: would have happened if I was like on the streets
Speaker 2: in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Let me click victory lap. Yeah, twenty eight twenty two,
Speaker 4: Just to clear that one up, Seattle with twenty eight
Speaker 4: to twenty two. You guys coming back from sixteen oh down,
Speaker 4: You guys are flying high big in the Super Bowls there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a fun that's a fun feeling
Speaker 1: after like a close when we played the Chiefs and
Speaker 1: beat him on the road in eighteen, Like close games
Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship, you feel so exhilarate because you're
Speaker 1: you finally get to go to the last game. It's
Speaker 1: almost like certain teams once you like I remember when
Speaker 1: I first went to the Super Bowl in ten eleven,
Speaker 1: like it was like we won because we were going
Speaker 1: and there were certain guys that are like, nah, we're
Speaker 1: not done.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's one of those things you realize, too,
Speaker 2: is like how hard it is to get to that
Speaker 2: whole level of Super Bowl and like trying to stay
Speaker 2: in the moment and actually getting there and like having
Speaker 2: really playing a tough game, and then that second half
Speaker 2: really the Patriots really did a great job. So the
Speaker 2: aftermath was really interesting because I think that was one
Speaker 2: of those turning points. I think if we win that game,
Speaker 2: we probably would probably end up going to three Super
Speaker 2: Bowls back to back, right. I think you know, the
Speaker 2: coming that following you was very difficult because it was
Speaker 2: like took the whole season to kind of like finally
Speaker 2: get together as one unit because everybody's pointy fingers of
Speaker 2: whose fault it was, but my my head, it was
Speaker 2: like it's everybody's fault if you lose. Honestly less, it's
Speaker 2: just like a really unique play where it's like comes
Speaker 2: down to it, but you know, we gave up points
Speaker 2: on defense, offense didn't score enough for it. We didn't
Speaker 2: do this just like everybody plays a role in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a team sport. It's that ultimate
Speaker 1: team sport. Eleven men have to do their job for
Speaker 1: five seconds and if one guy messes up, it could
Speaker 1: be a colossal funk up.
Speaker 2: I'm choking Gronk on this one.
Speaker 1: So how what? What can we talk about this? How
Speaker 1: did this go?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just just like, man, fuck, they
Speaker 2: want you know what I'm saying, like let's fight. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, let's just fight, Like who wouldn't fight?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like might as well at
Speaker 2: this point? What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: It's just it's that theory that you don't know if
Speaker 1: you're like winning more than you hate this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, man, like all that have to
Speaker 2: be here. Yeah, and I'll played really good this game
Speaker 2: and I was just like I was just like wanting
Speaker 2: to like yeah, but it all turns out it.
Speaker 1: Is what it is now. Immediately after that game in
Speaker 1: locker room was here like it was shocked. Why did
Speaker 1: we not run it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that was what everybody was thinking.
Speaker 1: Was that was that everyone's mind?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think he still thinks. I think that's when
Speaker 2: you'll probably never say that, but I did. I bet
Speaker 2: in his head a little bit there, like he wonders
Speaker 2: if what happened if you just ran the ball?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, well, you guys can't speak down four?
Speaker 1: So it was third down? Was it third down second.
Speaker 1: I believe second time they had three downs at the two.
Speaker 2: I went through it to fourth down and we was all, yeah,
Speaker 2: so most likely we did two quarterback sneaks. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That sorry that, I'm thankful that the right. Yeah, legacy,
Speaker 1: the Mount Rushworths defenders. After that one, I think there's
Speaker 1: still and you still got Earl Thomas.
Speaker 2: Earl Tummins probably goes down as one of the best safeties.
Speaker 2: I think it will take them a little bit too.
Speaker 2: You know, everything that kind of happened at the end
Speaker 2: will be shaky, But I think he still is a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. I think Sharon for short Sherman has
Speaker 2: done a great job and retire and career all things
Speaker 2: he's done is in football, Bobby for sure, Like kJ
Speaker 2: is really good, Cliff was great, Cam was great. Like
Speaker 2: There's a lot of great defenders on that team.
Speaker 1: It's just the whole defense is the Legion of Boom,
Speaker 1: the whole the whole defense is on the wall.
Speaker 2: The whole defense is on the wall. Take a great
Speaker 2: defense to win it?
Speaker 1: Does?
Speaker 2: I think, where do we go with the best defensive history?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Where does this go in the best.
Speaker 2: Some people say some people say number one and number
Speaker 2: two depends what you asked.
Speaker 1: Compete with what eighty five bears?
Speaker 2: Eighty five Bears are the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Ravens two thousand Ravens.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's statistically we were kind of the best.
Speaker 2: We look at statistic wise.
Speaker 1: How which statistics show that.
Speaker 2: Scoring, running, passing turn? You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't know, some could say, some could say,
Speaker 2: I mean, it was a fucking tough defense. You had
Speaker 2: to earn everything. You had to play so precise. Any
Speaker 2: fuck up against that defense, they made you pay. The
Speaker 2: thing I loved about that defense too is just the competitiveess.
Speaker 2: It really was the practice, not really the games, Like
Speaker 2: it was just really just like the amount of compete
Speaker 2: the mount people compete at practice, Like that's crazy when
Speaker 2: you think about like Sharan like really trying to intercept Doug,
Speaker 2: Like the defense is super great, Like well the forty
Speaker 2: nineis was good too, though, So I don't know that
Speaker 2: one time the forty nineers had a really great defense
Speaker 2: with all the smith justin Smith, Patrick Willis in the
Speaker 2: bar ball Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they always have a good deal, Like they
Speaker 1: still have a good defense, but like I don't know
Speaker 1: what's up with their defense. Right now, they can't stop
Speaker 1: the run. They got to stop the run. They lost
Speaker 1: Armstead what's his name? Hardgrave just got hurt, didn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stopping a run is a decision. I think they
Speaker 2: made pass rushing so important to overlook defense. Like some
Speaker 2: people will be like, oh, I want a guy who
Speaker 2: if I'm a defensive coordinator, I think a guy who
Speaker 2: gets between ten and fifteen sacks and has like twenty
Speaker 2: five TFLs and like a lot of quarterback hits and
Speaker 2: disruptive more than a guy who has like twenty sections.
Speaker 2: All he does is rush up the field, get the sack.
Speaker 2: But it's like, that's my problem with Michael Parson. Michael
Speaker 2: Parsons Right when you watch some of the games, it's
Speaker 2: like he's a really good defender, but like there's some
Speaker 2: things they can improve in on the run game. Like
Speaker 2: even when you watch the game against the Ravens, like
Speaker 2: there was plays where you know he was supposed to
Speaker 2: be in the gap and you could see him like
Speaker 2: over pursuing. But he's a smaller guy front playing defensive line.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like sometimes with the defenders,
Speaker 2: like when you to get better at the run game,
Speaker 2: keep his sack total, like he gets like eighteen sacks,
Speaker 2: Like let's just get fifteen and like let's get you
Speaker 2: thirty TFLs. You know what I'm saying, Like let's be
Speaker 2: in the field. Like JJ Watt was really good because
Speaker 2: JJ Way had a lot of TFLs when you look
Speaker 2: at the end of the season, like he had a
Speaker 2: lot of plays behind the line, scrimmage in the run game,
Speaker 2: like it was kind of overlooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he was never overlooked when we played them.
Speaker 2: We played them, but you know, I'm just saying, like
Speaker 2: people talk about his pass rusher, but but yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1: Of I think that's what made him mean better than
Speaker 1: a pass rusher.
Speaker 2: He was just an overall player like Terrell Suggs. Like
Speaker 2: you look at the end of the year, like those
Speaker 2: guys were overall good players to where it was like
Speaker 2: they were just great defenders. They weren't great pass rushers,
Speaker 2: great defenders every day guys that could do it all
Speaker 2: and get to the back of the quarterback to get
Speaker 2: to hits. They could have TFLs like it would always
Speaker 2: have twenty five plus TFLs, you know.
Speaker 1: I Mean, that's that's how Bill looks at it. I
Speaker 1: feel just because like anytime we'd always have an outside
Speaker 1: guy come in and join our defense, I get out
Speaker 1: like they would always get mad like we have too
Speaker 1: much response, like they're not even going for a goddamn sack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because we would have a
Speaker 1: thing where you keep him in the pocket making beat
Speaker 1: them with the defense. You know, there's always like a
Speaker 1: strategic thing of the defensive line rush where we were
Speaker 1: at as you probably can talk to, where a lot
Speaker 1: of guys were like, that's not how we what I
Speaker 1: came from.
Speaker 2: No, no, exactly, but I would say that's the thing
Speaker 2: I al would say that when I watch football now,
Speaker 2: you see a lot of guys like even like Derrick Henry,
Speaker 2: a lot of those runs are just guys kind of
Speaker 2: just being out being out the gap, like you know,
Speaker 2: the purposely, No, I think. I think sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: like when they running those stretch plays or they double
Speaker 2: up on the office and line where they like where
Speaker 2: you get nudged by the tackle or the tackles working
Speaker 2: his way up to the to the linebacker, or you
Speaker 2: are two I and the center bumps you and he's
Speaker 2: on the way to the mic. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: and they isolating DB's on some of those crunch plays.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes those crunch plays where where you're making the
Speaker 2: cornerback tackle. It was a hard place to stop. You know,
Speaker 2: you look at look at that type of defense, and
Speaker 2: then you got a good blocking receivers. It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's a decision, like you said, you said, blocking the
Speaker 1: runs the decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, life is a decision when you come out to football.
Speaker 2: You choosing violence or violence is choosing you.
Speaker 1: To choose the violence.
Speaker 2: Or choose the violence on the football field. The football field,
Speaker 2: not on the off the field, on the field.
Speaker 1: In sports, we missed anything about this game.
Speaker 2: No, I think you got it right. I think this
Speaker 2: is one of the It'll go down as one of
Speaker 2: the most one of the greatest Division championship games because
Speaker 2: it came down to like two great teams. The great
Speaker 2: offense did what the great offense was supposed to do,
Speaker 2: and then at the end, the great defense did what
Speaker 2: it was supposed to do. And to end up with
Speaker 2: one team just making one more play than an other.
Speaker 1: Dude, I couldn't agree more. It was so fun going
Speaker 1: back and watching this game, you know, because I don't
Speaker 1: really remember. I didn't remember it as much because I
Speaker 1: was in the AFC, But going back and seeing this,
Speaker 1: like we we may never see a game like that
Speaker 1: again because the on site kicks and and you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, we you can't get an on side
Speaker 1: kick nowadays, It's fucking impossible. You gotta declare this certain
Speaker 1: amount of guys can't be over here, this like that
Speaker 1: with the interceptions. It's just it was a fun game
Speaker 1: to redive into. And I appreciate you fucking coming into
Speaker 1: a timer.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break anything.
Speaker 4: Uh wait, well I got one note here before we go.
Speaker 4: The quest is what we were trying to think of
Speaker 4: earlier with John Claude Van dam Baby West nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 4: Just like you said, shout out John Cloud Vandam.
Speaker 2: Jean Clum Van damn you mak at John CoV VANDAM
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we got to that would be. I
Speaker 1: wonder what would he do like a soccer game.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he watch football. He was in America and
Speaker 2: the time, hanging out with like like a fighting match.
Speaker 4: I don't care if you read the bumbos. I'll let
Speaker 4: him in here, do.
Speaker 1: Real quick before we wrap this thing up. We gotta
Speaker 1: name the game. What's the name of this game we have?
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be any of this. We have
Speaker 1: the Victory Lap game, give me the Bike Game, the
Speaker 1: Danger Russ Game, Bennett's Bike Ride Game, or could it
Speaker 1: be a different game name?
Speaker 2: The name of that game would be.
Speaker 1: Out of someone very artistic, like you expect something really creative.
Speaker 2: No pressure, which is brew?
Speaker 1: Which is brew?
Speaker 2: Miles Davis. What's a lot of things in that game?
Speaker 2: A brew of competition, a brew of offenses, defenses.
Speaker 1: Plays by everything, the Witches Brew game. It would be
Speaker 1: one of the best names we ever heard. Love, Let's
Speaker 1: score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 1: Let's score it. Michael steaks zero to ten decimals, Okay,
Speaker 1: the stakes of this game, it.
Speaker 2: Was definitely a ten that sticks ten.
Speaker 1: Tend to go to the Super Bowl. Star Power start.
Speaker 1: I'll go nine. Star power of this game ninety two
Speaker 1: nine star power nine nine. I'll give it a nine, Aaron,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of Hall of Famers
Speaker 1: in this back kind of seven nine out of.
Speaker 2: Eight one, hey one, what is it? What do you?
Speaker 2: What do you call stars. I got what is it?
Speaker 2: What's a ten star game? For me? That's like the
Speaker 2: that's the worst star power. Honestly, not a lot effort. Being.
Speaker 1: Brandon Marshall would argue that the opposite, because when he
Speaker 1: came on this show, he talked about his Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: game that he got a m vpn B Mars.
Speaker 2: You gotta start with it, stop, Chevy Trunk. Got to
Speaker 2: start with that ship man.
Speaker 1: The game player of this game.
Speaker 2: The game play. I would say ten because of the
Speaker 2: amount of between nine nine. I say nine nine, nine
Speaker 2: point five because I feel like it was like it
Speaker 2: was like it took a lot to come back, like
Speaker 2: high level, like it was a lot of players make
Speaker 2: big plays, like those interceptions. Those players made those plays.
Speaker 2: They weren't just thrown interceptions. Those guys make great.
Speaker 1: Plays without a doubt. You know, I'm an offensive guy.
Speaker 1: I have a little bias. I want to see some points.
Speaker 1: But if you're a real football person, this had I mean,
Speaker 1: this had special teams, touchdown, special teams, fumbles, over time.
Speaker 2: Everybody was involved, everyone was in.
Speaker 1: It's the Witch's brew game. So I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the eight point seven. So funny, he.
Speaker 9: Choked recovered in the game. That's gonna be a high score.
Speaker 9: I got an eight point nine out of nine point one.
Speaker 2: We're all in the same region there.
Speaker 1: And the name of the game. You have to grade
Speaker 1: the name.
Speaker 2: I think a ten for because I made it up
Speaker 2: so ten.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with an eight point eight.
Speaker 3: Jack had a seven eye of six.
Speaker 4: I scored this before I knew we were calling her,
Speaker 4: which is but what is it?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Land?
Speaker 3: This is an eight point seven.
Speaker 1: This is gonna land high.
Speaker 2: It's gotta change. I gotta change the metrics with the name.
Speaker 2: Now that you guys give me, I'd like to bump
Speaker 2: it up a little bit.
Speaker 3: Eight point seventy five.
Speaker 1: This puts us really point seventy three.
Speaker 9: This puts US tied with the nineteen ninety nine Women's
Speaker 9: World Cup China versus the USA.
Speaker 2: That was a good game. Yeah, just me and.
Speaker 1: Him was in that one, right, Yeah the Rose Brandy
Speaker 1: chest Hain't took your shirt off? Yeah, oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: had her on the show. She was awesome.
Speaker 3: Tied for six. This is a great game. This is
Speaker 3: not really a great game. It's a great spot for
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 2: That's it. Thank you, Thank you man.
Speaker 1: Michael anything else, no, no, thank you guy. You gotta
Speaker 1: plug anything? No, no, man, Well, I appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 1: And I hope the the college looks with your daughters
Speaker 1: go great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would go good. I think it would be good.
Speaker 2: I'm getting old.
Speaker 1: Now, that's gotta be a I mean hit me the
Speaker 1: other day when.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, buy her car and like stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, damn going on college tours, man, Like
Speaker 2: this is the last time this this October second, is
Speaker 2: the last time you'd be in the house. What else
Speaker 2: you know? I was like, that's real, man, crime.
Speaker 1: The days are long, but the years are sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the days are long. Well, thank you so much, man,
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be awesome. Man, he was awesome. He's
Speaker 1: he's just that family. They're so like they're really smart people.
Speaker 1: Him and Marty Michael, like, I think they're a little misunderstood.
Speaker 1: He's He's I think they're like brilliant people.
Speaker 9: They're like interesting human beings who happened to be football players.
Speaker 1: But they powerful. But like you know, Michael loves football
Speaker 1: like he was he's for sure watching you listen to
Speaker 1: how he was breaking down the game. He watches the game. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's making up a cool chair right
Speaker 1: now and and some cool rugs on his own. But
Speaker 1: you know, when it's Sunday front or Monday, he's watching
Speaker 1: the football game. He loves football.
Speaker 4: You respect losing, so you can understand winning.
Speaker 1: You respect.
Speaker 4: Michael Bennett said that on the pod today, A profound, profound.
Speaker 4: We gotta put that on a crochet that onto a pillow,
Speaker 4: put it on the couch something, because that is that's
Speaker 4: an all time quote from the Nuthouse.
Speaker 1: I love that. Let's put it on a pillow.
Speaker 4: What a guy, I mean, so talented he I'll.
Speaker 1: Make a pillow out of it.
Speaker 2: Studio cre check it out.
Speaker 4: Man, he is one talented dude, and I liked it.
Speaker 4: A man of taste such as himself gave us the
Speaker 4: coast sign.
Speaker 1: He gave me the baby. He saw the Nutthouse. He's like,
Speaker 1: this is tasteful, real recognize real bait. Hey, champagne taste
Speaker 1: with a beer budget. Yeah, facts, champagne taste with a
Speaker 1: beer budget.
Speaker 4: Hey, you got a gum guy, bro, you got that,
Speaker 4: you got that champagne budget.
Speaker 3: Georget George Constana, have a gum guy.
Speaker 2: A gum go.
Speaker 3: I gotta look that up. I should Jerry did here.
Speaker 1: He had a oh yeah, down in like you got dip.
Speaker 1: Yeah that dip guys for years now, But I ain't
Speaker 1: that rich. What's hit the hotline?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 1: Go again? That number is four two four two nine
Speaker 1: one two two nine zero.
Speaker 2: Hey, Julian, I love your show, but everyone knows the
Speaker 2: greatest game of.
Speaker 6: All time is the Ice Bowl.
Speaker 1: Ice Bowl.
Speaker 6: All a couple of them are still around.
Speaker 2: You need to get some Lombardi era Packers on their
Speaker 2: show to discuss the Ice Bowl. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred zillion percent. We need that. That'd
Speaker 1: be awesome to hear about the Gridiron game that I
Speaker 1: love by one of the founding fathers.
Speaker 4: Nineteen sixty seven, December thirty first Lambeaufield, Baby Green Bay
Speaker 4: Packers Dallas Cowboys twenty one seventeen.
Speaker 2: The Packers edge them out.
Speaker 4: Still the coldest game in NFL history on record minus
Speaker 4: forty eight degrees fahrenheit with the wind shill.
Speaker 2: Remember what.
Speaker 3: That's one of the first games on the ESPN Classic.
Speaker 2: I would watch.
Speaker 1: It was awesome.
Speaker 9: Remember the ton the story were like, the like not
Speaker 9: to make this racial, but the white players were like
Speaker 9: jealous of the black players because the black players could
Speaker 9: wear like gloves.
Speaker 3: They had these like black gloves they could.
Speaker 9: Wear and the coaches couldn't tell it was there, so
Speaker 9: they wear gloves on all the white guy's hands were freezing.
Speaker 1: I wish you would have said that in fort of Michael.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. Everyone you know
Speaker 1: who gold.
Speaker 3: You know who went to this game, was at this game.
Speaker 9: Ernie, probably Willem Dafoe, you know, Willem to the actor,
Speaker 9: I feel.
Speaker 4: Like green Goblin baby, yeah, Goblin, yeah, shout out Florida project.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 9: He was at this game. There's an NFL film story
Speaker 9: about it.
Speaker 13: We gotta get him. Let's get to get him. On
Speaker 13: the top of that screw an old packard. I want
Speaker 13: Will to just go, dude, great question, what a legend, bro.
Speaker 4: We should do some more old old psychos.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 6: Call h my name is friend.
Speaker 14: I actually want to leave a message for truth his mom.
Speaker 14: I actually met her your rookie year. We set down
Speaker 14: to then earned the back hallways of the stadium. I
Speaker 14: didn't know who she was at first, but we were training.
Speaker 14: We were training, uh, showing each other what we were
Speaker 14: bought at the poor shop and then you came over
Speaker 14: and said hello.
Speaker 1: So say hello to her.
Speaker 2: She's a very very sweet woman.
Speaker 1: Well bent down. Tell my mama hello for you. Bob
Speaker 1: Brens is hello mom to meet loaf Mom.
Speaker 2: What is she doing back there?
Speaker 1: Never know what she's doing?
Speaker 4: Shout out Angiere, she is actually here.
Speaker 1: She's actually here.
Speaker 6: Hi Ju, Hi Kyler, Hi Jack. This is what you
Speaker 6: call it. I'm making a recommendation. I think you guys
Speaker 6: should get Stone Stuston on the pod if you can.
Speaker 6: You literally talked about anything. I think, like football, like
Speaker 6: Texas and you're from Texas or something I don't know,
Speaker 6: or some old matches. I don't care. I just wanted
Speaker 6: to cuss him by on the pod. I love you guys,
Speaker 6: are grabbing you today. I can't wait to listen to
Speaker 6: the pod some more.
Speaker 1: All right, bye, Wow, Whitney, I couldn't agree with you anymore.
Speaker 1: Stone Cold Steve Austin was my favorite wrestler. Same as
Speaker 1: a kid. I used to drink two freaking cokes and
Speaker 1: slam them after And that's the bottom line, because Stone
Speaker 1: Cold said so Austin three sixteen, just.
Speaker 2: Whooped your ass.
Speaker 4: I still remember one of my earliest disappointments kindergarten, Miss
Speaker 4: Henry's class.
Speaker 2: Shout out Miss Henry.
Speaker 4: When I my mom told me I could not go
Speaker 4: as stone Cold Steve Austin for career day. Her point was,
Speaker 4: that's a that's a man, not a career. I still
Speaker 4: don't get the distinction.
Speaker 1: That's bullshit.
Speaker 4: I am so pissed, bro.
Speaker 1: He goes a doctor, a doctor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't go with stone Cold Steve Austin for
Speaker 4: career to day. You know what, that's bull I know, Bro,
Speaker 4: I think you.
Speaker 1: Should be able to.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: I just have to get him in the nuthouse then,
Speaker 4: you know, my guy, we're gonna have to.
Speaker 1: We might have to start doing some wrestling moves and
Speaker 1: and try to join the w W to prove that
Speaker 1: teacher wrong.
Speaker 2: That's right, bro, just.
Speaker 3: Asking eight year old Jack, what do you want to
Speaker 3: be when he grew up five year old?
Speaker 2: I want to be him. Yeah, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: That's a man.
Speaker 2: That's my career path.
Speaker 1: Baby, you gotta get we gotta get stone Cold on.
Speaker 1: He has to, he'd be electric. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be with him. Is he sober?
Speaker 2: No, he's got his own beer. We've had it.
Speaker 1: We've got to we need to get on the beer.
Speaker 4: And I want to hear I love ar theme music,
Speaker 4: but we're just having the glass shatter everything. Oh Man, Whitney,
Speaker 4: I could not agree more.
Speaker 1: We agree, Whitney.
Speaker 9: We get some let's just say, interesting voicemails that kind
Speaker 9: of start off the same. I'm so glad this one
Speaker 9: went to a better place. Yeah, you know, they're like,
Speaker 9: HI usually goes to a bad place. This one Stone
Speaker 9: called Steve Austin.
Speaker 4: Good place, good place, good place.
Speaker 2: Thee snake always a good place.
Speaker 1: Zang quays world Korean? Right? Is it Korean?
Speaker 2: Was a Filipino?
Speaker 1: Can't can't?
Speaker 4: Can't? Antony's yes, what's your name? Uh?
Speaker 1: Cassandra she rocked?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And what's his name?
Speaker 4: Rob Low was trying to try to usurp.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. The showfield, well, what a fun game to
Speaker 1: go back down high scoring, high scoring. But that was
Speaker 1: a I forget. I forgot about that game. So it's
Speaker 1: great about this podcast. You get to relive the game again.
Speaker 4: Seriously. Oh and with Mike, what a guy. Michael been
Speaker 4: an awesome guy. Thanks again to Michael Bennett. You know,
Speaker 4: I wish them the best luck with him and his family.
Speaker 4: I'm finding university for his little daughters. He's such a
Speaker 4: family guy.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Nope, Peter spent the day here, but my mom
Speaker 1: didn't wear them out, almost sitting back with them. But
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