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Speaker 1: this movie at all. It was a challenge. I couldn't.

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00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 1: I couldn't find out everyone. Definitely not Julia Roberts or

421
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,719
Speaker 1: Annabeth Gish that I could tell. I don't did anyone

422
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: have any Lucky because for a movie that you know,

423
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: is talking about, you know, people of Portuguese descent quite

424
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: a bit, it seems like there was really no representation

425
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: whatsoever in an actual way. Um. Yeah, I'd imagine that

426
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: maybe some of the like very tertiary characters who you

427
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: like see speaking or singing in Portuguese. But I feel

428
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: like as as far as the main cast, yeah, it

429
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: didn't seem to be the case, right, which I mean,

430
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: obviously it sucks. And also the there is like a

431
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: large Portuguese American community in Connecticut and in areas of

432
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: New England, mostly Rhode Island, but like there there is

433
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: a huge Portuguese American culture in New England, and so

434
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool that it was spotlighted. But

435
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: then it's like, but it's like, you know, an empty

436
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: gesture to to an extent when there's no actual representation

437
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: of it, and also like spotlighted with inaccuracies. I like

438
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: saw Annabeth Gish was like did a video where she

439
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: was like setting the record straight with a Portuguese guy

440
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: and he was just like here's yeah. He was like,

441
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: here's a few things that he was from Portugal. He

442
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: was like, these things from the movie are not accurate,

443
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: Like Portugal is not into pizza at all, Like that's

444
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: just not a thing. And like their last name, their

445
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 1: last name, they pronounced it like a rougeo and they

446
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: make like a big deal out of that in the movie,

447
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: like the pronunciation of their name, but it's actually like

448
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: not He's like, that's just not a name in Portuguese.

449
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: And he's like it's a rougeo is a name, but

450
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that's like a different word. But so I don't know,

451
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: it just seems like there could have been a little

452
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: more like R and D the the background stuff, especially

453
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: because it was like filmed in an area where there

454
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: was a Portuguese America, like it could it couldn't have

455
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: been an easier task, right, So that was that was frustrating.

456
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: I thank you for Well, we'll find in that video

457
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: and link it and the description because I'm like, wow,

458
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: they really they made Annabeth based the music. It literally

459
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: seems like Annabeth Gish was on a movie set with

460
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: a Portuguese guy and she talked to him enough to

461
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: learn some stuff from him, and she was like, let's

462
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: make this quick video. And it's like a two minute

463
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: video of him just like listing these things and she's like, okay, cool, nice,

464
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, that's that's good to know. Yeah, if

465
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: we have any Portuguese American listeners or just Portuguese listeners, um,

466
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on. One of my best

467
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: friends is have Portuguese and I actually have been to

468
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Portugal with her, but I mean, I think she loves

469
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: this movie. So it seems like because I was looking

470
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: for there, there wasn't much written about it, even though

471
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: it was I don't know. I was looking to see

472
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: if anyone that ever, you know, like written about how

473
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: Portuguese culture is represented here, but everyone's just like I

474
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: love the movie. Yeah. Yeah. My friend Nicki, both of

475
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: her parents are Portuguese American who live in New England,

476
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: and I asked Nikki about how her family feels about

477
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: this movie and she was like, my mom loves Mystic Pizza,

478
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: so loves it. Everyone loves it. I don't know, I

479
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 1: mean in general, I just was like, this is a

480
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: very nineteen eighties movie thing to do absolutely to like

481
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: make a huge I mean a huge deal of like

482
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: look at these Portuguese American characters but then not cast

483
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: anyone of Portuguese descent and get apparently every fact wrong. Yes,

484
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: But but that said, I thought that, um, like one

485
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: of the things I really liked about this movie was

486
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: it's like willingness to explore class issues in uh really

487
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: like direct way, because we talked about this with like

488
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: rom Com or even just like coming of age movies

489
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: in general all the time, where it's like so often

490
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: it's just like rich people, Like it's just like there's

491
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 1: gonna be a mansion party. No one's her worrying about,

492
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: Like we talked about in that To All the Boys

493
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: I Love before episode of how like there's a whole

494
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: movie in that series about getting ready for college and

495
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: no one is worried about how they're going to pay

496
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: for it. And I really appreciated and was pleasantly surprised by,

497
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: like how willing to engage with class issues this movie was. Yeah,

498
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: it comes up in in a couple of different kind

499
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: of scenarios to one where you know, Cat is saving

500
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: up money. She's working what appears to be three or

501
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: four different jobs to save up to go to Yale,

502
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: and she has like a half scholarship, and she you know,

503
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: still needs to earn all of this money to be

504
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: able to pay for tuition, and you know how that's

505
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of like a constant struggle for her. And then

506
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 1: with Daisy dating Charlie, this you know, rich yuppie kid

507
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: who has just so many different cars at his disposal,

508
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: all of them you know, like luxury vehicles. He lives

509
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: in this ancient all this stuff, and how it like,

510
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, creates this rift in their relationship, especially when

511
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: she realizes that he, you know, he's kind of dating

512
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: her as an act of rebellion against his family. And yeah,

513
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: so I thought that was all pretty interesting. I really

514
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: liked it. Yeah, I mean especially I I really really

515
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: really love Cat, so I just like, I don't know,

516
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: I love her so much, Like I had a very

517
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: similar situation to her when I was her age, and

518
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you you can do it. You're gonna

519
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: be in asterronomer and do all this stuff. But with

520
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: the with the Charlie Daisy relationship, I've never seen something

521
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: like that, but that is like a thing that happens

522
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: in cities or communities with like large wealth gaps of

523
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: like you know, if there are young couples that it's

524
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: like you have to go to their house and be

525
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: like I'm going to act like I'm not poor and

526
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: see if that works. And like another just like, oh,

527
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: like this is amazing for where it is like pretty

528
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: clear that Charlie to an extent is like bringing her

529
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: over to get a rise out of his dad, and

530
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: she calls him out on it right away and she's

531
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: just like, no, you humiliated me to like because of

532
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: your because of your daddy issues, like leave me out

533
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: of it. Like I just yeah, I thought that that

534
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: was like incredibly cool and I've never seen a situation

535
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: like that actually like play out on screen and have

536
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: like the person from the lower class like get the

537
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: final word in in a way that was really satisfying

538
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: and cool. And yeah, I just loved it. I love

539
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: that she says when they're like fighting in the driveway,

540
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: and I love that she's just like, you're not even

541
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: good enough for me, like because it was kind of

542
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: it was kind of like inherently like oh, he's the

543
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: rich one, he has the car, like whatever. And then

544
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: she like gets a ride home with her friend who's

545
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: the maid at their house, and she's just like, give

546
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: me a ride, Like I love I love how she

547
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: actually all these women, like I guess Cat maybe less

548
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: in a less like dramatic way, but like have really

549
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: powerful moments where they're like screaming at men and like

550
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 1: it's very sad, Like I love like when um Bill

551
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: puts a nympho on his boat and he's kind of

552
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: like embarrassing her in front of the entire town, Like

553
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: I love that Jojo just straight up like screams at him,

554
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: and she's just like you can't force me to do

555
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: anything I'm not ready to do, and like this is

556
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: so not okay. And like she says like everything that

557
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: I would imagine you would be afraid or like you

558
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: would think of later you'd be like, oh I should

559
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: have said that, but like she says all of it

560
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: and it's so awesome, and like her friends are right

561
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: there with her and like yeah, oh my god. Yeah,

562
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: She's like I don't have to marry an asshole. It's

563
00:34:54,719 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: the eighties. Oh my god, Like it's that whole like

564
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: performance was so good and like too, and I love

565
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: that she gets like a standing ovation from the tourists, right,

566
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: so bizarre, but it I really liked it. Also just

567
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: feels like such a new England thing for all these

568
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: like all these people to be like projecting at each

569
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: other at like the speed of light, where like Daisy

570
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: projects onto Cat, Cat projects onto Daisy, every like the

571
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: mom projects onto everybody. Uh like just everyone is like

572
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: very loudly not dealing with their problems, which I was like, wow, totally,

573
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: that's wow, that's so real. I love that Jojo. One

574
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: of her main traits is that she just fully carries

575
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: on conversations fully by herself and everyone else around her,

576
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: just like silently, Like she'll just be like, thank you

577
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: guys so much for everything you've said, but she's the

578
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: only one talking conversation and just like goes on a

579
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: full tangent. Those scenes are so funny, Yeah, the one

580
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: especially where she's, uh, she has just been broken up

581
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: with by Bill, but she comes in acting like she

582
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: was the one who broke up with him, and then

583
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: she just goes on this long soliloquy and the whole

584
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: time she's just like, Wow, I'm so glad my friends

585
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: are here supporting me and agreeing with me and validating me,

586
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: and meanwhile they've said not a word. She also like looky,

587
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: like it's like and Leona, you're going to give you

588
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: the business one day, right, And Lena is like, um, sure,

589
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: They're all being held hostage by her feelings. I love

590
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: that like that happens it Like it's the funniest and

591
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: like I think, like the best when it happens with Jojo.

592
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,240
Speaker 1: But I like that that happens at like multiple different

593
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: points in this movie where everyone's got like their own

594
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: ship going on, but then when someone else's like problem

595
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: comes into the like they put their own ship aside

596
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: and they show up for each other like every single time.

597
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Like I I liked that moment where Cat is like devastated.

598
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: She feels so like used by Tim and she's like

599
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: sucking up at work and leaving like raw pizzas on

600
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: tables and stuff. But then when she realizes like the

601
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Phantom Gourmet is there, she like snaps into it. She's like, Okay,

602
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: I'll deal with my ship later, like right, now this

603
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: is Leone's moment and like just those quick I don't know,

604
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, these women know each other so

605
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: well and they care about each other so much that

606
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: they can just like be so like raw nerves with

607
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: each other, but then also always know like when they

608
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: need to show up for each other. I love it. Yeah,

609
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Like Daisy does that too with Cats, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

610
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: when she's like, you know, Cat comes home, she's been

611
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: wearing Daisy's boots, and Daisies like, quit wearing my nice

612
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: boots and quit using my comb your scuzzy hairs in it.

613
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: And then Daisy realizes that Cat is devastated and then

614
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: shuts off any like anger and resentment that she was

615
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: feeling towards Cat, and it's just like I'm here for you,

616
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: like cry on my shoulder, whatever you need to do. Yeah,

617
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: it was. It was a really nice moment. I love,

618
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: like for me. The thing about this movie is it's

619
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: a story about like female friendship, but also you know,

620
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: each of these three women has a major storyline that

621
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: revolves around a man, which just feels very typical and

622
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: expected of this type of movie. I wish it maybe

623
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: had been more about the friendship, or that we had

624
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: seen more scenes of the three women together. I wish

625
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: there were just more movies that were actually about female

626
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: friendship and don't get bogged down in these like subplots

627
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: about men. We had that same issue with um was

628
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: It Fried Green tomat Us? There was like another there

629
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: was another movie from this like era where it like

630
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: markets itself as being all about female friendship, but then

631
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: it actually is about relationships. Yeah. A big one for

632
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: me was waiting to exhale oh yes, yes, yes, yeah,

633
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh wow, all these amazing women are

634
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: going to be talking to each other the whole movie,

635
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh wait, actually there's like three

636
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: scenes of that. Yeah, it's about husbands, right, and most

637
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: of the scenes are them helping each other deal with

638
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: like men's bullshit, right right, which is pretty true of

639
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: this movie as well. That was like I don't know,

640
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't hate that they had love interest, Like, okay,

641
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: that's the convention of the genre, but it did like

642
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: at some point, especially because I absolutely hated Charlie so much,

643
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: and I know that like his storyline was like helped

644
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: you explore these class issues, but I just couldn't stand them.

645
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: There's too much of him. He's such a little weener,

646
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: he really is. I wish there were just more movie yeh.

647
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: Bottom line, I wish there were more movies that not

648
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: only appear to be about female friendship but are kind

649
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: of more exclusively about that. That being said, though, I'd

650
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: still I think it would have been a much easier

651
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: and more kind of predictable choice for you to get

652
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: three very kind of basic, like standard rom comie type

653
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: storylines that don't explore anything meaningful, but with at least

654
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: with the three romantic subplots we get, you know, like

655
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: we said, one of them deals pretty heavily with class.

656
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: One of them deals with a woman debating about whether

657
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: or not commitment and like marriage is something she wants,

658
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: which like that was I think I love Jojo so

659
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: much because I related so hard to her being like

660
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of commitment. I think I can do it

661
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: in the future, but I don't want it right now.

662
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: And you are rushing me and it feels like your bill,

663
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: You're forcing me into something I'm not ready for. And

664
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: I like this character too that like you get a

665
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: totally like does an unusual depiction of like male sexuality too. Yeah, right,

666
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: And I also really liked that after she passes out

667
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: and like ditches their wedding. Like I mean, not to

668
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: give him too much credit, but just the fact that

669
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: like his characters like and I know that they still

670
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: fight and stuff, but just the fact that they can

671
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: even reconcile is like more impressive communication than most characters

672
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: in TV or film ever are able to accomplish. Like

673
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: if that was on Friends, it would just be like

674
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: and then I never saw her again and he would

675
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: disappear from her wedding. Yeah, Like I like that he

676
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: still shows up and he deals with being humiliated in

677
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: the town and like, yeah, and you know, he has

678
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: perhaps some toxic habits where he was like about to

679
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: punch a guy who was like mocking him and for

680
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: instance putting nympho on the side of his that was

681
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't ideal, but at the same time, yeah,

682
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: I think there was like a display of masculinity with

683
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: his character that I think we don't often see, especially

684
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: for so many movies are guilty of this thing I hate,

685
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: where they depict like working class people, specifically working class men,

686
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: just in a very particular way of just like steeped

687
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: in toxic masculinity because they are working class, where we

688
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: know that, you know, people of any men of any

689
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: class can be steeped in toxic masculinity. But I feel

690
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: like it's rare to see a working class man be

691
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: a little gentler or be someone who like is a

692
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: little bit more in touch with his feelings and who

693
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: like really strongly cares about commitment and things like that. Yeah,

694
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it inverts the like church

695
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: girl trope that we see used pretty frequently in like

696
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: but it's not I don't know, like it it is.

697
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: Even that is like reductive in the way it's usually presented,

698
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: but with him, it's like, oh no, he like takes

699
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: his religion very seriously and you can feel however you

700
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: want to feel about that, but it's like it's important

701
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: to him, and I don't know, like watching them navigate

702
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: that relationship was interesting, Like it was I wasn't, Like

703
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: I don't know I was, I wasn't. It's rare to

704
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: find a relationship in the eighties that I'm not actively

705
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: rooting against. Like, I still feel like, you know, he

706
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: should have led her way a little longer, you know,

707
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: like I would because in that amazing like monologue that

708
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: she gives, she's just like saying, I don't know, like

709
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: it it's such a complex thing that is also very

710
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: normal of like I do want to get married, and

711
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: I do care about this person, but I have other

712
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: things I wanted to do first, and like I don't

713
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: know if we're going to be able to compromise to

714
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: a point where we can both be happy, and like

715
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: it was like interesting as I was watching, because I'm like, oh,

716
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: that's that's a problem that I have known many people

717
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: to have, but you never really see it presented that

718
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: way as just like a fact of life that could

719
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: be really like frustrating and like tortuous for you personally.

720
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Because it's not like he's an evil bad guy, like

721
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: he's kind of an assphot but he lives in Connecticut,

722
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: so that's kind of wow. Shots fire Massachusetts head Well.

723
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: It's also interesting that they all kind of have different trajectories.

724
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: Like with Cat, it's like a foregone conclusion that she

725
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: is leaving Mystic and that she's bound for like it's

726
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: really presented it's like she's bound for better things, like

727
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: her mom is just like everyone, my daughter is going

728
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: to Yale like she's she's leaving and like and they

729
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: talk about that, they talk about mystic like this, like

730
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, bump fuck town that like everyone needs to

731
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: get out of. But like you do get the sense

732
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: that like She's might not be okay with it, but

733
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: Jojo is like kind of gonna stay there because she's

734
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: like she's really young and she's like met her you know, person,

735
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: and doesn't know how to feel about that, and like

736
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: maybe doesn't have the way out that like Cat has. Right. Yeah,

737
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely coming from like a really

738
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: small town, I mean I could see how scary it

739
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: would be to like look down the barrel of that

740
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: life and just be like, wow, Um, how am I

741
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be excited about this? Sure? I do wonder.

742
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, of of all the characters, I want to

743
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: know where Jojo would be ten years later. I wonder,

744
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: like I wonder if that's the sort of like maybe

745
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: they move, Maybe she does end up inheriting the pizza place,

746
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: who knows what happens. Yeah, she's she's like such a

747
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to funk up that character. Um,

748
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: but she does kind of have this rich into your life.

749
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: I just wish we knew a little more. I wish

750
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 1: I do, wish we you a little more about her

751
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: outside of like she is a friend and she is

752
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: going to be a wife question mark. But what you

753
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: do get there is pretty complex. Yeah. For me, I

754
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: found myself a little disappointed at the end when it's

755
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: revealed that she and Bill do get married so soon

756
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: after she had been like, yeah, I want to wait

757
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: a while, you know, and the same way. And it's

758
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: like the movie clearly wants you to not feel that way, right,

759
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be like because at the very least,

760
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: I like this little, you know, speech that she gives

761
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: when she's like in the cap of the truck with Bill,

762
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: and she's like, Okay, I got to maintain my identity.

763
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I understand about commitment, and I love you, but you

764
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: have to know where I stand about this. You know,

765
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: I want to be my own person. Absolutely nothing has

766
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: changed even though we've gotten married dot dot dot except

767
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: my name. So I'm glad that she, you know, is

768
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: making her needs own about wanting to maintain her identity

769
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: and you know, not getting lost and being a his

770
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: wife kind of thing. But it just was very soon

771
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: after Its great, Yeah, and and I just I wish

772
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: that it. I don't know if it was just because like, well,

773
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: a movie starring women has to end in a wedding.

774
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Hollywood can resist ever, Like it's just

775
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: it's it's just like too good. They just can't say no,

776
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: mostly like I have to. I do appreciate that they

777
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: reused the dresses. I'm like, Okay, that is a working

778
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: class wedding, thank you, because if they had had all

779
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: new dresses, I'm like they dropped the ball. But I

780
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: hated to see those dresses again. Actually, one of the

781
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: things I love about this movie, just speaking of the dresses,

782
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: is just like I love that this movie is so

783
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: not like disnified at all. It's just like everyone looks

784
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: kind of like not too much makeup, and like like

785
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: obviously Julia's hair looks amazing, and I'm sure that's where

786
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: like ninety percent of the hair budget went. But I

787
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: just I love that this movie is not like super glossy.

788
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: I just I really appreciate that it looks kind of

789
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: like a little raggedy, like the real It looks kind

790
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: of real, and I love that about it. Right, it

791
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: would feel really inauthentic if it hadn't been that way,

792
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, because if it's you know, it's this story

793
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: about these working class women, but if they're like all

794
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: dolled up in expensive designer clothes and their hair and

795
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: makeup looks like it was done by a personal stylist,

796
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: Like that's usually not how that works, right, But they

797
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: still look good and like trendy too, because I also

798
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: like don't like when it goes too far the other way,

799
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: and the implication is like working class people look like

800
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: shit and you're like, like, that's not the casey, But

801
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: I yeah, like the details that they added in with

802
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 1: the wardrobe, like we're like Julia Roberts. I mean, first

803
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: of all, like people wear the same outfit more than

804
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: once in this movie, which is like makes sense, that's

805
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: how clothes work, but you never see that in movies.

806
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 1: And and the like little detail that she like got

807
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: this expensive dress but she's like, but I'm not taking

808
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: the tags off and I'm going to return it. You're like, yeah, that,

809
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: like that's another really good detail. And ah yeah, this

810
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: is a really well written movie. I one thing I

811
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: wanted to I I was hoping that there would be

812
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 1: like an oral history piece about this movie. I couldn't

813
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: find one, but I did think it was interesting. I

814
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: couldn't find the reason why. But this movie, the story

815
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: is by Amy Holden Jones, who has done a bunch

816
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: of work. Uh she's She's also done the Beethoven movie

817
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: with the Dog that's the most should cover it, excellent film.

818
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: She also this in back to back. She did Beethoven

819
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: and Indecent Proposals, so she's got range. She's killing it.

820
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: But she, you know, came up with the story true

821
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: um going to Mystic Connecticut and just I don't know.

822
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: I think she was just like cruising through and was like, hey,

823
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: what if I wrote a movie, which probably explains how

824
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: it wasn't totally research very well. But she was. She

825
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to be, uh the director of the movie,

826
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: but then at the last second she was not the

827
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: director of the movie, which is frustrating because she had

828
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean, she had had three directing credits prior to this,

829
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: three future credits and then instead it was given to

830
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: a director named Donald Petrie and it was his debut,

831
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: So it was like this movie was almost directed by

832
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: an experienced director and then was instead given to a

833
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: guy who had never directed a movie before, which is

834
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: just like, okay, so Jamie, did you say you didn't

835
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: find the reason why? Because I did find the reason why.

836
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't know. No, what's the reason? Okay, because

837
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: I was scandalized. Okay, So Amy Jones, yeah, seems amazing. Um.

838
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: She out the script, shopped it around Hollywood and like

839
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: no one wanted it, and then eventually it was optioned

840
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: by Samuel Goldwyn and so he he like optioned it

841
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: with her attached to direct it. But then because like

842
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: women were really not allowed to direct at that time

843
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: or like it was very uncommon. Like he was just like,

844
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable working with the woman director. And she

845
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: was like, I mean I might be getting details wrong,

846
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: but the gist of it is like she was like, okay, well,

847
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: I want the rights back. She loved that movie and

848
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: still calls it like her favorite thing she's done and

849
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: so and so, um she wanted it back and he

850
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: and this fucker was like, um, I actually have the

851
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: rights until for the rest of your life, like I

852
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: owned the rights like until you die. And so it

853
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: went into court. So Amy Jones had to fight with

854
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: like I think with the Writer's Guild and there was

855
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: like a legal battle, but because he was saying that

856
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: he had life rights and that she had said something

857
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: verbally or something that had like given him the impression

858
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: that he just had the rights to Mystic Pizza for

859
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: the rest of her life, and then he wanted to

860
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: like or like oh no. This was when they were

861
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: shopping around Hollywood. People were like, we'll make it if

862
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: you change them all to men, like if you make

863
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: all these characters, men will make it, and okay, and

864
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: so then so she was I saw some quote where

865
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: she was like, well, I learned like never to get

866
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: in illegal battle with a multimillionaire because you'll just lose

867
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: no matter even if you win, you lose because they

868
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: drained you join your finances. So I think she won.

869
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: So that it was decided that like, okay, you're like

870
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: license to make this movie expires at this time or whatever.

871
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: And so as the time was approaching, she said, like

872
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: Samuel Goldwyn was like freaking out and trying. He's like

873
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: she said, he hired like every writer in the world

874
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: to try to like fix this movie, fix it, okay,

875
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: because they yeah, they are four credited writers on this movie. Yeah,

876
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: So I think he had a lot of people working

877
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: on it, and then he finally hired these two writers

878
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: who had worked with Amy Jones. And when they got

879
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: on the script, how they revised it was getting rid

880
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: of everything that had been changed and brought it back

881
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: to Amy Jones's original script. So what we ended up

882
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: with in Mystic Pizza is actually Amy Jones is like

883
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: original script, which I think is why it's good. And

884
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Daniel Pietri or whatever your name is, Like,

885
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that it's you that made this movie great.

886
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: I think it's Amy Jones. And like she said that

887
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: it was a well known story in Hollywood and that

888
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: she got many many writing jobs from Mystic Pizza and

889
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: that like everyone knew kind of like what happened, and

890
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: like that it was really her film. Holy thank you

891
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: so much for I I did not find that even remotely.

892
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: And it's like that sounds like absolute torture and it

893
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: is also like not surprising at all. I's like we

894
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: have at this point. I mean, we've covered so many

895
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: stories where that's the case. That was like, that was

896
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: like the story of the production of Brave, that was

897
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: the story. It's just like where a woman was kicked

898
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: off and yeah, and then it was given to a

899
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: man in the leventh hour and there was a legal

900
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: battle and just all this garbage that and and then

901
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: bringing back most of the original plot points that had

902
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: originally been there. Like god, well, shout out to Amy Jones. Serious,

903
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: holy shit, I'm glad that we that we know to

904
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: come on the show, Amy Jones. She I just followed

905
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: her on Twitter. She's out there. Let's take a quick

906
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: break and then we'll come back for more discussion. And

907
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: we're back. Let's talk about Kat a little bit. We

908
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: haven't talked about her too much. I love her so much.

909
00:54:53,840 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: I so her story, her like romantic storyline is the

910
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: worst one and yet very relatable. Yes, I was like,

911
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like at least it's aware of that

912
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: where I I know that there are so many like

913
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: predatory storylines that are like that end up being like

914
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: and it was love the whole time, and I guess

915
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: things just didn't work out for them. But this, unfortunately,

916
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: these types of abuses of power do happen. Like Cat

917
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 1: is like, she's a kid, she's very I don't know

918
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: how if she's a legal adult. Uncle. I wish we

919
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: had known that, because you know, she's about to go

920
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: to college, which would imply that she recently graduated from

921
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: high school. So she's like eighteen. But also we see

922
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: her at a bar, so is she twenty one? Like

923
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: did she wait a few years before applying? Might just

924
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: be a towny bar thing. Yeah, so I don't we

925
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: don't know how old she is. I mean it's regard.

926
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's an abuse of power no matter if

927
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: it's Yeah, she she's a teenager and it's her boss

928
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: who's praying on her. I just it's so it makes

929
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: me so mad because like that ship does happen, And

930
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: I at least thought it was like well written that,

931
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: Like cat, I don't know, like I was in situations

932
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: like that as a teenager where she's like inexperienced, she's shy,

933
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: she's a people pleaser, and she doesn't, you know, necessarily

934
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: know how to really assert herself in those situations. And

935
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: she is you know, attracted to him, but it doesn't

936
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: make it less of an abuse of power for him

937
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that. And likely that all felt

938
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 1: pretty well. I was. I kept like gritting my teeth

939
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: to be like, please don't end up telling me this

940
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: is okay to happen and but I thought it was

941
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: like a pretty well written storyline, all the way down

942
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: to his being a fucking coward and trying to pay

943
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: her off, Like it just all felt like very like,

944
00:56:55,560 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 1: unfortunately realistic. The other thing I thought was effect of

945
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: is that and this is something we talked about quite

946
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: a bit where there tends to be villains or like

947
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: predator characters in movies that are so cartoonishly evil that

948
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: no one could see themselves reflected back in that person.

949
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: But because he's like, on the surface, seems like a

950
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: nice guy, he's a good father, you know, you're you

951
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of get lured into this idea that, oh, he's

952
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: going to be he's nice, he's fine, and then when

953
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: he abuses his power and hurts her and doesn't hold

954
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: himself accountable for anything he's done, and then we realize

955
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: just what a dogshit person he is. I thought that

956
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: was well handled in terms of, like, under other circumstances,

957
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: he probably seems like a nice guy, but in such

958
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: a way that like people could actually look at him

959
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, no, I've done that before, Like

960
00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: that's this person is familiar to me kind of thing.

961
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I found cat like, even though you know,

962
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: I love I think Jojo is my favorite character because

963
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like charmed by her. But Cat is the

964
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: character that I definitely definitely relate to the most, and

965
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: I think for me watching it when I was her age,

966
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: it was just like very relatable and like kind of

967
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: cathartic to like see someone who was like war like

968
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: thick sweaters and like and had no sense of her

969
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's she's obviously like growing up

970
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: in the course of the movie, but she her sister

971
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: Daisy is like this like incredibly like vivacious, like sexual being,

972
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: and Cat is I just remember being that age and

973
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: it just felt like very very difficult calculus for me

974
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: to even imagine like kissing someone or something. So I

975
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: feel like her her being drawn to this older guy

976
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: who's showing her attention, Like I just feel like I

977
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: could totally imagine how that would to someone who was

978
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: like so inexperienced and like looking to kind of prove

979
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: yourself or like, you know, everyone in the movie is

980
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: always saying like, oh, Cat has no time for boys,

981
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: like she's going off to Yale, and like it's kind

982
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: of like when everyone points one thing out about you

983
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: you want them to see the other side too, Like

984
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: Kat doesn't need to be told that she's smart. Everyone

985
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: tells her that she needs to be told she's beautiful

986
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: or like she's sexy or whatever. So this guy comes

987
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: along and he like you know, looks at her with

988
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: his like yale red hair, like he's like weirdly buff

989
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: architect man. Like I just think that she's he's he's

990
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: getting her exactly where she's vulnerable and and he's so

991
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: he's so there's no excuse for his behavior in this movie,

992
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 1: like I was imagining, like Jamie you kind of pointed

993
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: out earlier, like the weird cuts where we don't see,

994
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 1: like we don't see that they sleep together. It's just

995
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: kind of assumed, and we don't see them setting up

996
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: their date when they do sleep together. It just they

997
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: just show up there. And I was imagining when I

998
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: was watching it, like imagining, so at one point, like

999
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: Cat and this like thirty year old guy like playing

1000
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: their date and like arrange for Cat's friend to babysit

1001
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: his daughter. And that's just so explicit. So it's not

1002
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: like it came over him in the moment. It's explicit,

1003
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: and he knew, like calculated yeah, pre meditated this. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1004
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: I hate it so much, But I also I totally

1005
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying, how about how he does

1006
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: like target her vulnerability and that I don't know, like

1007
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: it kind of expands into how Cat and Daisy relate

1008
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: to each other, where it seems like they you know it.

1009
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: One storyline I wish was explored more in this movie

1010
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: was their relationship with their mom, because it's so like

1011
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: in like flashes and like, can we cut out some

1012
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: of the like love interest stuff and like focus on

1013
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: this mom relationship a little more because she really only

1014
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: has one scene with each daughter, and I would have

1015
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: liked to see all three of them together. But it

1016
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: does seem like, you know, it's it's like Cat feels

1017
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: this pressure to succeed or she'll disappoint her mother, or

1018
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: she'll never move out of Mystic, which she clearly wants

1019
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: to do, and like, you know what her dream is.

1020
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 1: I like that you see her at all these different

1021
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: jobs and it's not just like a joke that she's like,

1022
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 1: oh she works a lot. It's like you see it

1023
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: and you see her like struggle with it, and and

1024
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: of course like it's it's you know It's like when

1025
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: that is your life, you know, it's in all your

1026
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: valued for is your mind. It's like you want, I

1027
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: don't know, like a more whole experience in in in

1028
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: many cases, right, And I get like I get why

1029
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: Cat bugs Daisy for being so prized for her mind,

1030
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: which she doesn't even totally want. It's just how people

1031
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: view her. And and I get how Kat is. I

1032
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know. It just reminded me so much of like

1033
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: my older cousin and where I was just like she's

1034
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: so cool and like everyone loves her, and I I

1035
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: can't talk to people, like it's so frustrating, and you

1036
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: like hold it against someone you love in this way

1037
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: that is like kind of like kind of immature. And

1038
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: also just like I'm repressing my feelings and I'm just

1039
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: like frustrated that I can't present that way to the

1040
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 1: world because it looks so appealing and it's like it

1041
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 1: just feels so sister Lee, It's just good. Yeah. And

1042
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: I love also how Jojo is friends, like because I

1043
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: have I have like brothers that are really close in age,

1044
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: so we like share friends, but these two like really

1045
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: share friends, Like like Jojo is equally friends with Daisy

1046
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: and Cat and will like and by them even when

1047
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: they're fighting, and like I just I like, I liked

1048
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: when when that happens, and like, yeah, it showed that

1049
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: they're like this kind of functional trifecta. Yeah, and then

1050
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: like we were saying, how they do show up for

1051
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: each other, they provide support to each other when needed,

1052
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: like to go back to this predatory relationship that Cat

1053
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: has with Tim, Like there was a little bit that

1054
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: again felt realistic, although I think it would have been

1055
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 1: like Daisy probably would have handled this differently were this

1056
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: to be happening in like, but she it's clear that

1057
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 1: she's like looking out for her sister, but it's also

1058
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of happening under this guy's of like judging her

1059
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: almost like oh, you know how typical that the babysitter

1060
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: is like having sex with the dad kind of thing

1061
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: and like almost passing like judgment and shame upon her.

1062
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: But when it comes down to it, Daisy is like,

1063
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: whatever you need, I'm here for you. Similarly jojo in

1064
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: like the car, right, She's just like, yeah, my guys,

1065
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: Bill sucks, but nothing compared to this piece of ship

1066
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: we just saw, Like that scene, that scene in the

1067
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: car is so good. It's great. Yeah, I I sort of,

1068
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I sort of like they do

1069
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: say very cruel things to each other, um, and you know,

1070
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: I guess in a perfect world, like having them be like,

1071
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: I am sorry that I said that cruel thing to you.

1072
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: It just felt so sister to me that I'm like,

1073
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: I don't you know, or just like sibling relationships in general,

1074
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: where you just say something like the meanest thing you

1075
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: can think of in the moment, and then like twenty

1076
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: minutes later you're like, I'm crying. I need you to

1077
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 1: hug me. Like it's just so chaotic, especially because they're

1078
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: so young. And Yeah, the sibling relationship that I found

1079
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: completely unrelatable was Charlie Windsor and his sister who Daisy

1080
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: miss stakes for his girlfriend wraps his arm. You're like

1081
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: like laughing and they're like linked arms and she's very

1082
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: demure and like, I'm just like what you guys would

1083
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: call each other's eyes out, like I have two brothers,

1084
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: Like it's not like that. And I was like, is

1085
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: that a rich person thing? Like what this fuck? I

1086
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: was Also I was like, was that like just like

1087
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: plot writing or how rich siblings interact. They might like

1088
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: not know each other because their rooms are so far

1089
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: apart in their mansion, like always met a few times

1090
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: in the halls, but he seems nice speaking to those

1091
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: the that family, I mean, going back to that family

1092
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: really quick. There's just one other thing I wanted to

1093
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: hit on with that scene, Like that is like, uh,

1094
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: you know where Daisy goes over to the house and

1095
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: the rich people are really rich peopling out. Um. Another

1096
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: thing that happens in that scene that I thought was

1097
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: just like really, I don't know, like the attention to detail.

1098
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: It's a little melodramatic, it's a little over the top,

1099
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: but like so it is a whole movie, so whatever. Uh.

1100
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: But when when they realized that Daisy is a waitress,

1101
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: and it's like that very bizarre like rich person calculus

1102
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: happens where they're like, oh, that's not gross at all.

1103
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 1: We don't think that's gross. In fact, that's noble, and

1104
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: we don't think you're discussing at all. That's really cool

1105
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh no, that that just like I

1106
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: don't know, that felt very real. And then also they're

1107
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: rich people just slipping and saying something completely like classist

1108
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: and like just like they say something just outright cruel

1109
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: about Portuguese and you're like, that's a classic rich people moment.

1110
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: That just felt like it's a little over the top,

1111
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: but like not that over at the top of like,

1112
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, rich people at dinner terrifying to me.

1113
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: And then like it's like I guess even though he

1114
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: does it for probably his own reasons, Like Charlie's telling

1115
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: them off is like nice kind of until he like

1116
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: pulls the tablecloth and like ruins their entire dinner, whips

1117
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 1: Matt Damon's lobster. Yeah, he kind of Like I feel

1118
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,959
Speaker 1: like he could have like calmly walked away after giving

1119
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 1: them a piece of his mind, and it could have

1120
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: been like, Wow, he's really given us something to think about.

1121
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: But then he like throws like a tantrum, and yeah,

1122
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: I can't hate Charlie. I can't stand him. He's such

1123
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: a yeah, like I do, I don't know. I I

1124
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: I feel like, no matter what, he and Daisy are

1125
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: not long for this world in terms of like is

1126
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: this relationship going to go to the distance. Definitely not.

1127
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it honestly reminded me of Megan and Harry,

1128
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, you're super racist like rich family that,

1129
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know if you guys watched

1130
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,600
Speaker 1: like the Oprah interview, but like Harry like being like, oh, yeah,

1131
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: I like learned, I've I've learned a lot from her

1132
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: and I and I I can totally see that this

1133
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: is like you kind of like get that, like, Okay,

1134
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: this guy is like choosing her over his like idiot

1135
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 1: family and taking the righteous path or whatever, and like

1136
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: I just don't Yeah, it's it. I think him speaking out.

1137
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's a little bit of like

1138
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: Harry like he's not going to stand for this. But

1139
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: then I don't think he's a he's the guy for

1140
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: for Daisy. I think Daisy deserves a lot better because

1141
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: she's right. He is making it too much about him,

1142
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: like and I don't think it feel like he really

1143
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: rectified that, Like I'm glad she like ripped him a

1144
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 1: new one and was like no, fuck you. But then

1145
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 1: he just kind of shows up. He's like I'm sorry,

1146
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: and it's like but no, you know what, Yeah, he

1147
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: doesn't even say sorry. He says so he says, I

1148
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: owe you an apology, and then she didn't HyET I

1149
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: didn't even register that I do. He never gives a lot,

1150
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: and he doesn't actually say I'm sorry, here's what I

1151
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: did and I'm sorry for it. Yeah. Oh no, I

1152
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: didn't even realize. Yeah, it's one of the worst apology.

1153
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's not he just as I owe you one.

1154
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: And then she it's sad because she doesn't require him

1155
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: to give it, like she Yeah. I wish she had

1156
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: put her foot down and been like, Okay, I'm waiting

1157
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: for your apology that you have not yet delivered to me,

1158
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 1: which would be so daisy too to be like, okay,

1159
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: make it good. Go. Like I do think that we

1160
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: should keep in mind that like the thing that these

1161
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: women all have in common is like how horny they are,

1162
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: and like they're just like varying degrees of like absolutely horny.

1163
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: And I think that like that's at least to be

1164
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: factored into the ways that they settle, you know. Yeah,

1165
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: they're just like I just have to get that dick

1166
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: and like I'll marry him. I I just have to

1167
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: have it, like gosh, yeah, I know it. Maybe so

1168
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I kind of I wish I had

1169
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: asked my mom what because I feel like she probably

1170
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: has seen this movie, but like, yeah, I don't know.

1171
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: It's it's so bizarre to think of now, like the

1172
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: eighties in that regard, like truly was a different time

1173
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: where it was like people I mean not to say

1174
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: that people are settling now. It still happens to this day,

1175
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: but settling culture was was like way different in the

1176
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: late eighties. It was it is more I feel I

1177
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,639
Speaker 1: feel like it was more often than not. Oh one

1178
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: factory that I just wanted to bring up while we're

1179
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: on the topic of settling. Um Jojo the the actor

1180
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: that played Jojo. I guess it was originally written that

1181
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 1: her character was pregnant, and the actor insisted that they

1182
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: removed that plot point, And I thought that was so

1183
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 1: cool that she stood up for that because it would

1184
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: be a really different movie and her character. I just

1185
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: think it's like, I love that she doesn't want to

1186
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: get married because she just doesn't want to lose the

1187
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: freedom of her life. And I think that I just

1188
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: I like that she Yeah, she enables the character to

1189
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, I adore Jojo. Jamie. I think you

1190
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 1: mentioned this, but I would have liked to see more

1191
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: interaction between Daisy and Kat's mom and them, and then

1192
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: also we get next to nothing with Jojoe and her

1193
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: family is particularly her mother. I think there's like not

1194
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: even anything, but her dad's just like get out of

1195
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 1: here a bit. Yeah, classic my daughter, and cut to

1196
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,799
Speaker 1: the next scene. But we do meet Daisy and Kat's mother,

1197
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: but we only get very small snippets of her, although

1198
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: there was one scene that I did find interesting where

1199
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: Daisy and her mom are arguing and it's clear that

1200
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: Daisy knows that her mother is disappointed in her, and

1201
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: she resents that but she's like not gonna stop living

1202
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: her life the way she wants to, but also wants

1203
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 1: her mother to like accept that instead of like breaking

1204
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: out their relationship and yeah, and she said something to

1205
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: the effect of like, yeah, you're disappointed in me. I

1206
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,680
Speaker 1: swear I am stupid, I'm a slut, And then her

1207
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: mom's just like, no, I just want you to make

1208
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 1: something of yourself. And she's like, well, I'm not gonna

1209
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: go to Yale and she's like and her mom's like

1210
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that, like, just you know, do something,

1211
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: And I just I wish there had been I guess

1212
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,320
Speaker 1: just like more scenes like that are more context behind

1213
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: their entire relationship because or even like another scene with

1214
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 1: the mom after that, because that's the last thing she says.

1215
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 1: She's just like I'm concerned about you, and then you're

1216
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then what you know, like nothing that

1217
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: felt like, I mean not to bring up screenwriting something

1218
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: that um, I do have a master's degree in which

1219
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: I of course would hate to bring up. But that's

1220
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: the type of thing where you need like a one

1221
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: to three story beat to show that arc almost where

1222
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: something in the beginning where we see the nature of

1223
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: their relationship more clearly than something in the middle, where

1224
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: you know, the conflict is kind of like at its

1225
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: highest point, and then a third beat towards the end

1226
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: where we get some kind of like resolution or like

1227
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: under standing between them or something like that. But instead

1228
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: we just kind of get that one in the middle,

1229
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: and there's not enough context before or after. I kind

1230
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: of wonder if that is the sort of thing, because now,

1231
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: especially with the context you give us, Hallie that this

1232
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: movie was so thoroughly rewritten, if that was something that

1233
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: was originally more present in the movie that went away,

1234
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: because it does like it is really like intentionally set up,

1235
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: and then it just kind of goes away then comes back,

1236
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, like just before the end, and then yeah,

1237
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 1: like that like her, the mom's journey has never made

1238
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: totally clear, and then it's also never resolved. You get

1239
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: the sense that the mom has a lot of how

1240
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: I kind of saw it was like she has a

1241
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: lot of pain and sees herself in Daisy and it's

1242
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 1: like that's what scares her. She's like, oh yeah, I

1243
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: like how do you think I wound up like a

1244
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: single mom here? Like I don't know, it's there's really

1245
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: like the like option available to I guess, like Daisy

1246
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: and Jojo seem to like hover over them like just

1247
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: like becoming their parents, and like Jojo like I don't

1248
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: know if you guys caught this, like right at the end.

1249
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 1: I had to rewind to watch it twice. They don't

1250
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: show you, as you mentioned, Kaitlin, Like they don't actually

1251
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,719
Speaker 1: introduce you to JoJo's mom or anything. But like earlier

1252
01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: in the movie, she like says, like honestly like a

1253
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: fat phobic comment about she's just like I don't want

1254
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 1: to like grow up and just like have a bunch

1255
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: of kids and get fat and drink a bunch of

1256
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: beer and like and just like loose, you know, like

1257
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: that's like her nightmare, you know. And then later, like

1258
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: right before the final scene where they're all on the balcony,

1259
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: you just see there's no dialogue in a really quick

1260
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 1: scene of Jojo sitting down between like all these like

1261
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: Portuguese women who are like eating huge slices of cake

1262
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: and like guzzling beer and they're like having a great time,

1263
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 1: and Jojo like sits down with them and like joins them,

1264
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 1: and like she she doesn't look sad or anything. She

1265
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: just looks like, okay, like this is this is where

1266
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: I am. It's like kind of sweet. Actually I didn't

1267
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: pick up on that. That's really nice, and I thought

1268
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: that was interesting. I mean, who doesn't want a slice

1269
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: of cake and beer? That sounds great? And I went

1270
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: to do that right now. Yeah, yeah, I the mom

1271
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: stuff is. And I also think it's like very like

1272
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of like huh, like how is there not a

1273
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,519
Speaker 1: scene with the three of them? How is there not

1274
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: a dinner scene at their has Like it just seems

1275
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: like something that I'm like in my head, I'm like

1276
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: that had to have existed in some version of this movie,

1277
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: because otherwise that is like so I don't know, and

1278
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,479
Speaker 1: I and I agree with what you're both saying to

1279
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 1: that it's like it ends up kind of coming off

1280
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 1: half baked because the mom is in this so little

1281
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:57,000
Speaker 1: but that you know, cycle of poverty dynamic of like

1282
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: you have to make something of yourself and like you

1283
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: have to get out of here, and like or you're gonna,

1284
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: like you're saying, helly, like you're gonna end up in

1285
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: the same cycle that I'm in and I want my

1286
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: children to have better than what I had, and like

1287
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 1: that is all like a very normal dynamic, but it

1288
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: just feels like it's kind of half baked in a

1289
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: way that the mom ends up coming off pretty like mean,

1290
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 1: which is which you know could also be true. It

1291
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: seems like it is true to an extent, but yeah,

1292
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: it just felt like not the setup was there, but

1293
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: then it just wasn't fully explored. And also it's like

1294
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: you want that moment where like the mom is like

1295
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and like I accept you however you want

1296
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: to be. And also, I mean, I guess it's the eighties.

1297
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what people are thinking about then, but

1298
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm like daisies like twenty like can we not like

1299
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: tell her to get your ship together, like she's funny.

1300
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: She's like, no one's going to have their ship together

1301
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: at that time. I do think that the scene, the

1302
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: scene you just described where like the mom you that

1303
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,680
Speaker 1: story the mom storyline up, like that should have been

1304
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: where the wedding is, like instead of the wedding, we

1305
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: should have had that conversation and like I don't know,

1306
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: they could go on a road trip or something, right,

1307
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: because it's like that affects that affects Cat as well,

1308
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: where like Cat clearly has this like I mean, she

1309
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: does have a dream to like be a woman in stamp.

1310
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,200
Speaker 1: She wants to do all this stuff, but also it's

1311
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: a clear that she's under a lot of you know,

1312
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: she she's a people pleaser. She wants to make her

1313
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: mom happy. She wants to like she wants to succeed

1314
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: for herself, but she also wants to succeed to prove

1315
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: something and like please her mom and her family. And

1316
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: like that is also like whether the mom intends to

1317
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: be putting too much pressure on her kid or not,

1318
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: Like that is what happens in the situations. I just

1319
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, which is why I liked that we

1320
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: at least and I was you know, again, I wish

1321
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: we got a little more with her, but I do

1322
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 1: like that, um Leona is present as kind of this

1323
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 1: surrogate mother who Daisy and Cat can actually talk to

1324
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 1: and actually feel like they can communicate. There like that

1325
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: that felt like a cool touch. And that beat at

1326
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: the end where Leone is like, you're my daughters and

1327
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: gives her money to for Yale, You're just like, that's

1328
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: so nice. I really I wish we got more of

1329
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: with leon It, but I like her character. It's really cool.

1330
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: Like you know, she's like she is like this matriarch figure.

1331
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: She's very like firm on what how she wants her

1332
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: business to run. She has like this arc of like,

1333
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't care what people say about my restaurant, but

1334
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: then she's like, but actually, obviously I do, because that's

1335
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: how restaurants work, and that's her arc. I love that

1336
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 1: her husband is I don't know if he has a name,

1337
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: and he's just washing dishes the entire movie. Yeah, it

1338
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: just is in charge of him. Yeah, to the point

1339
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 1: where I'm like, is that her husband? We know about

1340
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 1: this man that I'm like that could just be an

1341
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: employee of hers. I didn't figure it out until the

1342
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: very end when he when she started saying like we

1343
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: and like you are like a daughter to us, I'm like, well,

1344
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: I guess she is married to that guy. Yeah. I

1345
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: think that Leona's perspective on the town is kind of

1346
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: where maybe Jojo ends up, where like because Daisy is

1347
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: like disparaging mystic, She's like I just gotta get out

1348
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: of this like stupid town and like I don't want

1349
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 1: have to work here anymore and whatever, and Leona is

1350
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: just like, well, we make the best pizza and like

1351
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: I just love that. She's like not really like offended

1352
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: by that. She's just like, no, it's great, Like I'm

1353
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: I make the best pizza. And like, I don't know,

1354
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: like a lot of the adults, like even if they

1355
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 1: are poor, like seemed to actually with the exception of Tim,

1356
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: who's like one of the rich characters, but um seemed

1357
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: to be enjoying their lives and have good community, like

1358
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 1: a nice community, and like they're pretty happy for sure.

1359
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: I like it, yeah, because it's like I don't know,

1360
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: like yeah, that that like tendency of any time the

1361
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: working class is portrayed as sort of like a you know,

1362
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 1: they're a lot of people opt for the tragedy porn

1363
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 1: and really harping on the negative aspects of poverty, of

1364
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: which there are so so many, and not to like

1365
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 1: underplay that, but it doesn't mean that you can't live

1366
01:20:11,640 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: a life with like joy and dignity and you know,

1367
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: an inner life, and yeah, like everyone in this movie

1368
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: has that. And also it's like being poor like that.

1369
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: I like that moment from Daisy two where she's like, yeah,

1370
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: being poor fucking sucks. I can admit that, but that

1371
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you can treat me this way, and

1372
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: like that's so great. That reminds me of my favorite

1373
01:20:36,240 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: line from the movie is when Daisy is looking in

1374
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,799
Speaker 1: her fridge at her mom's house and it's just packed

1375
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 1: full of lobster and she was just like, fucking lot

1376
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: of lobster here, and then you cut you cut straight

1377
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 1: to like the fancy dinner where they're all eating the

1378
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: exact same lobster, and it's like, there they are. They're

1379
01:20:54,960 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: wealthy and lobster the a Rougeo family. Yes, oh goodness.

1380
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: One additional fuck Charlie moment. So this is after Daisy

1381
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: has just fucking smoked everyone at pool and everyone's like,

1382
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:17,559
Speaker 1: oh my god, a woman can do a pool, which

1383
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,759
Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I was just like watching Julie Roberts.

1384
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,599
Speaker 1: That happened to Julia Roberts a lot in movies, because

1385
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,519
Speaker 1: I think that happens with her at that time. She

1386
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: can fix the car, and everyone's like so after Charlie's

1387
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 1: all impressed, and he then proceeds to stalk her and

1388
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 1: find out where she lives and shows up at her house.

1389
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 1: Daisy's mom is like, I guess, like, who the funk

1390
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 1: are you? But whatever, And then Daisy comes home and

1391
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 1: her mom's like, you could have told me that you

1392
01:21:48,160 --> 01:21:51,280
Speaker 1: were going out for dinner or whatever, and Daisy is like,

1393
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was so basically, Charlie just like again,

1394
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 1: having stalked her, showed up. He's just like, yeah, I'm

1395
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: here to take out your daughter for dinner, like not

1396
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: even giving her the choice, not giving Daisy they chanced

1397
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 1: to say no, like, He's just like, we are doing this,

1398
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: Get in my Porsche. You He's so entitled. I hate

1399
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: this man so much. Yeah, he and Tim are both

1400
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: kind of predatory, and I feel like driving, I don't know,

1401
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 1: just like driving the Porsche parking it in front of

1402
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 1: her house, Like I feel like there is something really

1403
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: gross about him just being like I'm going to take

1404
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: you out and just like flaunting his wealth and like

1405
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: using his influence of that. Yeah, yeah, I wish that

1406
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: he didn't. It doesn't even seem inconceivable in the world

1407
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 1: of this movie that this could end by Julia Roberts

1408
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: being like, actually, fuck you, Like perfect perfect world, she

1409
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: would have said, actually you, because he's just he just

1410
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: sucks the whole time he did. He's not fun at

1411
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 1: one moment except unless he's good at sex, which I

1412
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: guess it seems like she enjoys having sex with them.

1413
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: But outside of that, I'm like, what is your point

1414
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: we have to talk about their sex scene and that

1415
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 1: wait in another haunted mansion, like both sisters all the

1416
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: powers off, both sisters fuck predatory men in haunted mansions

1417
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,719
Speaker 1: at different points. Actually, I feel like around the semi

1418
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: point in the movie. But oh my god, I forgot

1419
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:24,280
Speaker 1: about this. Yeah, Like the scene where Daisy like Daisy

1420
01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: is taken by Charlie to his family's like off season

1421
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: like summer home or whatever, this ship where like it's dark,

1422
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: the electricity is shut off, so they like start a fire,

1423
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: and like there's like white sheets over all the furniture,

1424
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 1: so it really does seem like a haunted mansion. And

1425
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: then Daisy does such a wild move, which is that

1426
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 1: like he like he like looks away for a second

1427
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,519
Speaker 1: and then he turns back and she's gone, and her

1428
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 1: like stiletto heel is like balanced on the edge of

1429
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 1: a table or something, and then she's like, Charlie, follow

1430
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: the breadgrounds and then then like he like somehow in

1431
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: the course of moments, Julia Roberts takes off all her clothes,

1432
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 1: navigates a darkened home that she's never been in before,

1433
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: and finds her way to like an upstairs bedroom, and

1434
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 1: then puts on Charlie's dad's shirt, which is like all

1435
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,720
Speaker 1: of that is like, so like, how did she do that?

1436
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: She must have been running, She's got skills. I wish

1437
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: I had thought that through, because I was like, that

1438
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: is supernatural that she could do that. Yeah, my husband

1439
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: pointed that out when we watched it last night, because

1440
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that didn't I don't think that had occurred

1441
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: to me either, and I've seen it so many times.

1442
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: It's just like wait a second. First of all, that's

1443
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: like a really really bold move, but like, just how

1444
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: did she do it with like the physics of it,

1445
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: Like the logistics don't quite add up. And then he's like,

1446
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fuck you and my dad's shirt in my

1447
01:24:55,560 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 1: dad's bed. Yeah, she really is like enacting power of

1448
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: after power, Like yeah, I wish, I get, I just wish.

1449
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:07,840
Speaker 1: I think for each of these three women, I would

1450
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: have liked to see a different resolution. My pitch for

1451
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: Daisy would be that she does not take Charlie back.

1452
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: He might come to apologize, maybe he even does apologize,

1453
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 1: but I think that she should be like, Nope, what's

1454
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: done is done. I don't know even why I dated

1455
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 1: you in the first place. Goodbye. My pitch for Jojo

1456
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: is that if she wants to stay with Bill, fine,

1457
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: but I wish she hadn't agreed to marry him so soon,

1458
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: especially after the entire movie is her being like I'm

1459
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: not ready yet and I won't be for a while.

1460
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: So for her to like marry him after all so soon,

1461
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 1: I was just like, well, that's inconsistent with everything we

1462
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: learned about Jojo. And then I would have liked for

1463
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: for Cat, maybe we like see her go off to

1464
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 1: college or like we see like one kind of final

1465
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: b where she's I don't know, just some something else

1466
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: because she just gets such a her to tape Tim's

1467
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: check back together and go to the bank. That's where

1468
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to end, because she's like, I've had a

1469
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: change of heart. I don't care. Yes, I want her

1470
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: to dump a barrel of fish in Tim's car into

1471
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,839
Speaker 1: his car. Yeah. Yeah, I think interesting things were explored

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01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: with each of those romantic relationships, but I wish they

1473
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 1: had resolved differently in general. Yeah, definitely. Um, does anyone

1474
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 1: have any other thoughts about the movie that wasn't for me? Yeah?

1475
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 1: It does pass the Bechdel test because women are talking

1476
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 1: about pizza, they're talking about lobsters, they're talking about talking

1477
01:26:43,439 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: about the stars, astronomy, how they view each other, their

1478
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: their futures, their hopes, their dreams. They do talk about

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01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,000
Speaker 1: men a lot, because again, there is a lot of

1480
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 1: real estate in the story dedicated to their romantic subplots

1481
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: with men. So you know, lots of hetero people, lots

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01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: of white people, and in its white people it's white

1483
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 1: people City, which you know might be representative of what

1484
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: mystic is actually like, I don't remember from when I

1485
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: went there in third grade or whatever. But yeah, you

1486
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,759
Speaker 1: know it's it's pretty standard romantic drama ty type. Fair

1487
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 1: of this era, for sure, of this era especially so

1488
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: I guess as far as our nipple scale zero to

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01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: five nipples. Based on an examination of intersectional feminism as

1490
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: it applies to the movie, I think I would give

1491
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: this maybe a three, or maybe just shy of a three,

1492
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: maybe like a two point seven five kind of thing,

1493
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 1: or maybe even that's too generous. I panic every time

1494
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: I have to write a movie, do a three? Okay,

1495
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: I wanna I'm gonna go down just a bit to

1496
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: a two point seven five when I'm keeping my secret

1497
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: pizza recipe from you, and I'm going lower in the rating.

1498
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: You um, because while I like the relationships between the women,

1499
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 1: I wish they had just been given a little bit

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01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: more focus, especially like even we don't even get that

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01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: much between In fact, it was like maybe halfway through

1502
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,120
Speaker 1: me watching the movie the first time that I really

1503
01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: fully understand, I was like, are they all sisters? Are

1504
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: none of them sisters? Who is a sister to the

1505
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,759
Speaker 1: other person? Like, I had a hard time like figuring

1506
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 1: out the dynamics of them exactly because I feel like

1507
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 1: just not quite enough as established about their character. I

1508
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 1: love when you're like they're all active like scissors who's

1509
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 1: actually sisters. But I think it speaks to maybe we

1510
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: don't spend enough time with them or like focused on

1511
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: their relationships with each other, because again, so much real

1512
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,800
Speaker 1: estate is spent on different men who all suck. So like,

1513
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: I just want better for these these women. And yeah,

1514
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: as far as the resolutions for them, it just feels like, well,

1515
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: the movie has to end in a wedding because it's

1516
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: a movie with romance in it, so we gotta do that.

1517
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I gotta check that box. And it's like, you don't

1518
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: though you don't have to do that. Yeah, yeah, so

1519
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 1: different different things like that, um make you want to

1520
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 1: give to two point seven five. I'll give one to

1521
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: Joe Joe because I love her. I'll give one to Leona,

1522
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: and I'll give my point seven five to like a

1523
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: hundred gallons of dead fish getting dumped into a Porsche,

1524
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: because I wish that would happen every day. Perfect. I'm

1525
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 1: gonna do a hard throbbing three. Yeah. I really enjoyed

1526
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: this movie. It certainly had it's issues. I wish that

1527
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: all the romantic plots, it ended differently, and I wish

1528
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: that there was more of a fuller picture with the

1529
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: mom I wish you knew. I just wish you knew

1530
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 1: a little more about the inner life of each main

1531
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: character outside of their relationships with men. And even even

1532
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: though I guess with with Cat and Um Daisy, you

1533
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,920
Speaker 1: do have a pretty rich relationship that they have with

1534
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: each other as well. So I don't want to like

1535
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,680
Speaker 1: negate that. Yeah, I I I don't know. I'm very

1536
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: inclined to be very nice to this movie because I like,

1537
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: I felt like bizarrely seen in it in a like

1538
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: a very specific way of just like really intense poor

1539
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: people in New England friendships. I was like, oh, yeah,

1540
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: like that, I know those, And like, I really like

1541
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: how class is presented pretty frankly in this movie. I

1542
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 1: like that the rich people are villains. I don't know,

1543
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: they're they're just especially Daisy does all these things that

1544
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: I wish I could have done when I was younger,

1545
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't do Um in terms of just

1546
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: like advocating for herself and speaking up and like knowing

1547
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,000
Speaker 1: when she's being used and seeing so and then a Cat,

1548
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw how a little more of

1549
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: how I actually was, of like being very naive and

1550
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:19,000
Speaker 1: not knowing how to advocate for yourself and wanting to,

1551
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, impress people. It's just like, I wish you

1552
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,679
Speaker 1: knew more about our main characters because they are so

1553
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: distinct and they have all these like really relatable, recognizable traits,

1554
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: and even though they're so different, they have such a

1555
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:35,760
Speaker 1: like undying loyalty to each other. Even when they're like

1556
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: saying the most terrific ship in the world to each other.

1557
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: You know that there's like you never have a doubt

1558
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 1: that there is like baggage, but there's also so much

1559
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:48,759
Speaker 1: love and I just, yeah, I I really was touched

1560
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 1: by I can't wait to watch it again. And I

1561
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:55,120
Speaker 1: want the shirt, so I'm gonna be reree nipples there

1562
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, the whatever we've we've we've talked

1563
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 1: through its issues and also they're really should be a

1564
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 1: Portuguese actor in this anyways, I'm going to just give

1565
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: one nipple to each of the three main characters. Amazing, Halle.

1566
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 1: It was really interesting to watch this movie very thoughtfully

1567
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,840
Speaker 1: for the first time, because I think when I first

1568
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 1: watched it, when I was like in my late teens

1569
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: early twenties. The reason it took me took so long

1570
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: for the movie to grow on me was that I

1571
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: think I was just like, oh ha, this is like

1572
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: a chick flick that I'm going to watch while I'm

1573
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: like painting my nails on the weekend, and like just

1574
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, like pass an afternoon or something. And

1575
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: then I think I can be like, I don't know,

1576
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: kind of like pretentiously my film taste. And I think

1577
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: that I it took several viewings to realize how much

1578
01:32:43,479 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: I loved this movie and like how how special I

1579
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,679
Speaker 1: think it is. And I'm like biased in the way

1580
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 1: that it feels very like nostalgic to me. And I

1581
01:32:54,600 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 1: had never really watched it with like a feminist lens before. Honestly, um,

1582
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I had watched it just like for a good time. Um.

1583
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: So it was really really cool, and I really appreciate

1584
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 1: like the opportunity to to like have this whole conversation

1585
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: about a movie that's been kind of just like in

1586
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 1: the background of my life for a long time. Yeah. Yeah,

1587
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: And I think I think I would agree with giving

1588
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: it three nipples. I think that it's definitely problematic in

1589
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: in so many ways, and like these women deserve better.

1590
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I wish that we could see Amy Jones version. I

1591
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 1: wish that there was like an alternate universe where she

1592
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 1: directed it and we could, you know. I mean not

1593
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: that maybe it wouldn't be this movie like I that

1594
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: I love so much, um, But yeah, I think that,

1595
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:51,639
Speaker 1: like it's sad that that didn't get to exist, um,

1596
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 1: and that she was like put through a ringer in

1597
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: such a way. So I'm going to give my extra nipples,

1598
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 1: all of them to Amy Jones because I think she

1599
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 1: really fought so hard for it. Seems like she's fought

1600
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 1: so hard for everything that she's made and like ended

1601
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:14,320
Speaker 1: up like having an incredible career despite it. But yeah,

1602
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: like she she totally deserved to direct this movie and

1603
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: it seems like it was really important to her and

1604
01:34:21,200 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: she fought really hard to like have that chance, and

1605
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 1: she still didn't get it. But I'm grateful that we

1606
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,719
Speaker 1: got to watch it. Seems like we got to watch

1607
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,240
Speaker 1: the movie that was at least like loyal to her

1608
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 1: original script. But yeah, shout out to Amy Jens come

1609
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: on this show any time. Seriously, She's our biggest fan obviously,

1610
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 1: so she will hear this about Beethoven. Oh my gosh,

1611
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: we should coverchober on the Matrean. Yeah, I would love

1612
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 1: to know, like the gender politics of Beethoven. So would I.

1613
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: There's always like it's always those movies that you never

1614
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: expect that you're just like, wow, there's so much to

1615
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: talk about. See the Flubber episode. I do want to

1616
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:08,080
Speaker 1: stay like thinking about this movie through this, like Feminist

1617
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 1: Lens is like for being from it could be unwatchable,

1618
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:18,519
Speaker 1: it could be like absolutely unwatchable. And new movies like

1619
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,680
Speaker 1: fall prey to the exact same ship, like ending with

1620
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 1: a wedding or like the characters who shouldn't stay together

1621
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 1: do like I mean spoiler alert to all the boys

1622
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,720
Speaker 1: I've loved before. But like I remember watching like the

1623
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,280
Speaker 1: third one and the whole movie. I was like, she's

1624
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna break it off with him and like go off

1625
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: to college and have her like amazing life of being

1626
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: young and single in New York, and she just like

1627
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: stays with him long distance, and I was so disappointed

1628
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 1: and it felt similar to but like it's it's hard

1629
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 1: to blame Mystic Pizza for for ending the way it does.

1630
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 1: When movies now still can't resist ending in the wedding

1631
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,200
Speaker 1: and ending in the like they're together forever. Like it's

1632
01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obnoxious. I hope we can get over it.

1633
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: When we're going to subvert that. One really great movie

1634
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 1: just has to do it, and then everyone will do it.

1635
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,519
Speaker 1: Right there, I gets so trendy right now. Fine, I'll

1636
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 1: write it. Do it, Yeah, please write it, Caitlin. Um, well,

1637
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. It was a

1638
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: treat to chat with you about Mystic Pizza, Absolute dream.

1639
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm also very hungry for pizza now. So, um, where

1640
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: can people check out your work, tell us about your book,

1641
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 1: follow you on social media, all that stuff. Yeah. So

1642
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: my new book is called Directions, and it is a

1643
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:45,720
Speaker 1: book of advice and epiphanies and aha moments. It's kind

1644
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: of my like the product of my constant need to

1645
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: like record everything and try to save anything that's like

1646
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:01,320
Speaker 1: helpful or like potentially like life changing. And I hope

1647
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 1: that's an adequate description. But um, this book is really

1648
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,560
Speaker 1: special to me and I'm really proud of it. And uh,

1649
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing that you can like pick

1650
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: up at any time and like maybe find something that

1651
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 1: will help and just help you, like deal with the

1652
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:20,720
Speaker 1: abject terror of existing at all and having like no

1653
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:25,759
Speaker 1: idea how to do it. So so that's my book.

1654
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. I love it so much. Thank you.

1655
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and you can follow me online. My handle

1656
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:35,920
Speaker 1: is halleth Bates, which is just a made up name

1657
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,439
Speaker 1: that two thousand seven me thought of and now I

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01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: have it forever. Um H A L L I T

1659
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Speaker 1: H Bates b A T E S. So yeah, follow me,

1660
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: and uh go watch Mystic Pizza if you haven't. It's

1661
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: a great film. Yes, and you can follow us on

1662
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: social media at Bechtel Cast. We've got our Patreon a

1663
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:04,920
Speaker 1: k A Matreon, which gets you to bonus episodes every month,

1664
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe Beethoven members on the horizon. You never know, we

1665
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: don't know. Anything could happen on the Matreon and uh

1666
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 1: it's five dollars a month. You get access to all

1667
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: the back catalog over eight episodes, extra good. And that's

1668
01:38:26,200 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com slash betel Cast. Uh. And you

1669
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,599
Speaker 1: can also grab our merch at t public dot com

1670
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 1: slash the Beetel Cast if that's something you choose to do. Um,

1671
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get our merch. This week. I'm

1672
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: gonna probably end up waiting three days, then folding and

1673
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: buying a Mystic Pizza T shirt. That's my normal system

1674
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: of online shopping. Amazing. I'm going to go order a pizza.

1675
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm going to do for myself. Although I

1676
01:38:57,439 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 1: have this secret recipe, I don't even why I should

1677
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: just make my own. Nothing's going to compare to that. Caitlin,

1678
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Speaker 1: when you die, will you give us the recipe? You're

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Speaker 1: going to give it to us, right, I'll think about it. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Leona was so much more open with her recipe. Alright,

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Speaker 1: bye bye