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Speaker 1: Oh, how you're doing, Ladies and gents, Jensen, Ladies, pos

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Speaker 1: and pimps and everyone in between. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: That's Brian Campbell and this is Morning Combat, your first

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Speaker 1: stop on your combat sports journey each day on a Monday,

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Speaker 1: and what.

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Speaker 2: A combat week to get hard one. Sorry, well, we.

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Speaker 1: Just all of a sudden woke up with a morning boner.

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Speaker 1: How you doing? Everyone? Well, lot to get to So

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Speaker 1: we're coming off of a pretty busy weekend. I would

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Speaker 1: say we have UFC Bellator and one, but of course

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Speaker 1: to be a huge week leading up to next Saturday,

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Speaker 1: the UFC makes its debut with the Sphere UFC three

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Speaker 1: oh six, Sean versus Morob and then Canelo versus Burlanga

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Speaker 1: over at the Team Mobile, all happening at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Lots today.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question to just start it

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Speaker 2: off before we even pull back the band aid. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: is this the last UFC Sphere card or the first

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Speaker 2: of a new generation? Because those bars are piling up

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Speaker 2: quick that have that immersive experience Luke. I feel like

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Speaker 2: this kicks off a new generation.

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Speaker 1: So that's called Cosm Cosm. There's one in La there's

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's the last Sphere show, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know when the next one will be. It's not

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Speaker 1: like they're going to go back to it every year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. Well, I guess they could, but because

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Speaker 1: then never go into a facility like this anymore. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just don't buy that. It's a fair seems impossible.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to today, so we

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you joining us. By the way, a bit

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Speaker 1: of an announcement. We're of the Draftings Network shot store

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Speaker 1: we are being moved a little bit in our time

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Speaker 1: slot there due to football season. Morning Combat will be

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Speaker 1: on at eight pm. But it's morning somewhere. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: like drinking a beer. It's happy hour somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Foosball is for the for the Devil, Luke, but we

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Speaker 2: will be there at eight PM, so check that out

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Speaker 2: on the DK network. A lot of excitement on the

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Speaker 2: show today, Luke Max Holloway at one pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: Where's the horn? Where's the horn?

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Speaker 4: There?

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Speaker 2: It is to close the show today, Max is going

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Speaker 2: to be talking. We'll talk sphere with him. We will

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Speaker 2: talk obviously, Eliot Taporia. I cannot wait to catch up

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Speaker 2: with that absolute legend unless we get coutered really bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen. Max has always treated me really well and

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Speaker 1: he's a professional. But MMA being what it is.

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Speaker 2: We can get coutered at any time.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you who has coutered me more than

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Speaker 1: anyone else? Maybe in my life?

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Speaker 2: Your wife?

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Speaker 1: No, No, no, no, she's actually pretty great. No.

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Speaker 2: I was going with a different meaning of the word no.

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Speaker 1: In terms of prize fighters boxing Remma and I've been

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Speaker 1: dealing with it recently. It was gonna be Bomack, but

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Speaker 2: I had had an episode with him too, trying to

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Speaker 2: hit their fighters, man, They're living their life, their training.

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Speaker 2: They don't have time for us keyboard warriors.

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Speaker 1: They're deeply unprofessionals what they are.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a great show for you today. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna have some have you seen this ship as well

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Speaker 2: mixed in so don't miss that. And Luke, if I

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Speaker 2: or soft lunch? I don't know, sei semi flaccid launch,

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Speaker 2: the h of my YouTube channel of Brian Campbell Experience. Uh,

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Speaker 2: but just joined the party. I've got some content coming

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Speaker 2: Well, I definitely you're gonna get a large opening week

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Speaker 2: go on. As you always say, BC, be careful. You

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, it's like having a pet, taking a pet

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Speaker 2: This, so you know, I'll be on the road at times,

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Speaker 2: Rolando Roley Romero, which is about as weird as weird gets.

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Speaker 2: So check that out. But no, I'm gonna have an

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Speaker 1: Is it just devolve into you taking your pants down?

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Speaker 2: And see that's a great question, you know, like because

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Speaker 2: how long will it take before I'm showing my dog?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we're just straight up only pipeing

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Speaker 2: You gotta know you want to see. We'll find out

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Speaker 1: All right? Very good, And by the way, do what's

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Speaker 2: I don't know the bron Campbell experience. Maybe I don't

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Speaker 1: And when does that come out this week?

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Speaker 2: which which baby comes through the magine first? Right?

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Speaker 1: How did you book that? Did you hit him up on?

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Speaker 2: I don't I didn't get him like we had him.

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Speaker 1: All? Right? Either here or there? A last reminder of merch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in this beach, I might even be wearing the underwear.

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Speaker 2: You don't know that though. You have to have to

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll be see. We have a big show.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to. Max holloways here

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you don't want to bring in Long Island

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, Long Island, Luke, how are we doing doing good? Guys?

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Speaker 2: Oh big reveal from Long Island? This is self serving, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going so smoothly. All right, let's get it started.

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Speaker 1: If we can't hear BC. First things first, All right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the UFC. UFC had to show UFC

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Speaker 1: For my first questions, you would be did Sean Brady

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Speaker 1: It's just so difficult to deal with the guy who

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Speaker 1: They were trying to smother Gilbert Burns with offense, either

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Speaker 2: But look, I mean, when you can weaponize that cardio

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Speaker 2: How many of these elite guys? Can you do what

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think so. I mean it would depend on

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Speaker 1: Now I agree with you. I think the leg kicks

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Speaker 1: Maybe he hasn't quite hit yet, but I do agree

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Speaker 2: Do you echo what I said that he showed me

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Speaker 1: So shot cut is a unique test. I think you

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Speaker 1: I think if he really had a good game plan

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Speaker 2: Guess I'm just happy because you know, seoan. Brady's easy

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Speaker 2: But Luke, I mean, he is all the fuck in

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Speaker 2: It's it's a pleasure to watch this guy. He's dynamic.

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Speaker 2: to go in because you could tell he's committed and

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Speaker 1: That part of a natural process of newer talent beasting

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Speaker 1: It's just how the fight game works. Let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Was Ian Megatto Cherry?

436
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,800
Speaker 2: That is just it was an accidental right, It was brilliant, dude.

437
00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,159
Speaker 1: The guy was just fist fighting for twenty five minutes.

438
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:20,080
Speaker 1: Cut him a break.

439
00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,159
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know if that was like his planned, like, oh,

440
00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:23,159
Speaker 2: he should.

441
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:23,879
Speaker 1: Lean into it whatever.

442
00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:29,080
Speaker 2: Ian Magatto Cherry, great call out, perfect call out. I

443
00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,639
Speaker 2: mean really, because you would say that Megatto Cherry needs

444
00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he certainly needs even though he's been coming

445
00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,720
Speaker 2: on man, and I really like the wind new name.

446
00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,200
Speaker 1: I was like, that's your new name. You're just now

447
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 1: megato Cherry over there.

448
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. We can't talk about that on camera,

449
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,440
Speaker 2: all right, all right, so back to this, by the way,

450
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,440
Speaker 2: one day we'll get a Patreon show look where we

451
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 2: can just spew absolute bullshit and lose our jobs. Yeah.

452
00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,439
Speaker 2: I like that because you know, Gary still has some

453
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,840
Speaker 2: questions to answer. He's further long in the process of Sean.

454
00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,359
Speaker 2: I like the winds he's putting together. I like the

455
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 2: maturity and the evolution in his game each time. But

456
00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 2: there'd be a lot of energy in this fight. There'd

457
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,199
Speaker 2: be a lot of like, you know, this is my

458
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 2: moment to prove myself to then catapult to the title position.

459
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 2: And if Sean Brady is starting to knock on that door,

460
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,240
Speaker 2: these are the names he should want and go after.

461
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 2: So him calling it out like that, dude, I'm into that.

462
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm into it for just a separate reason. I ian

463
00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:27,160
Speaker 1: Ian Cherry the megado avocado tomato. He loves to fight

464
00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,240
Speaker 1: a particular way, which is very long range, sticking and

465
00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,399
Speaker 1: moving lateral movement, cutting angles, getting out of the way.

466
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to be super close to anybody, which is

467
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680
Speaker 1: the opposite of how Sean Brady fights. Sean Brady wants

468
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 1: to get his hands.

469
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:39,960
Speaker 2: On her phychogrist.

470
00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And so in either case, somebody has to

471
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,399
Speaker 1: solve a very specific kind of technical challenge that actually

472
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: tells you a lot about how far they can go.

473
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean if if one loses to Sean Brady

474
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 1: or Ian mcgatto Cherry, that no upside is possible. But

475
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,639
Speaker 1: I am saying whoever does solve that is solving a

476
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: very very real, difficult riddle. For that reason alone. I

477
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 1: want to see it. I don't know how much of

478
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 1: a grudge match the fans perceive it as, but I

479
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 1: love that.

480
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 2: I think it would be an intense build. I think

481
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,600
Speaker 2: you'd see, you know, not not trash Tuck for the

482
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,200
Speaker 2: sake of it. You'd see two guys. Like I said,

483
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 2: the energy would be high in that flax, so it

484
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 2: would mean so much. What do you think the line

485
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 2: would be? What do you think it should be? Because

486
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: you are you as high on Gary as I am

487
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: at the moment where I think, no, you're not.

488
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 1: I do think he's skilled and talented, and I think

489
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: some of the hate he gets is just from underfunck

490
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 1: dudes who were don't have a life.

491
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: Underinformed dudes who believed that his wife's ex.

492
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Speaker 1: Those are dudes. Those are dudes who have never felt

493
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: the loving embrace of a woman, and they are obsessed

494
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: with the with other people's.

495
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 2: Some have what they paid for. There's a line in

496
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 2: the sand of people. Look which side are you on? Folks?

497
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,240
Speaker 2: That's good question out you are you right?

498
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 1: Fair correction? It also involves people who pay for prostitutes. Okay,

499
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 1: but that aside. I did not think he looked super

500
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 1: impressive in his last contest, and I don't think grappling

501
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: more generally has been super impressive to me.

502
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: He's got to answer, he's got to answer more questions

503
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,879
Speaker 2: about the ground. But I don't know, man. He seems

504
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 2: to get better in each fight, and it does get better.

505
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: No, no, no, yeah, this is not me saying here's a scrub.

506
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,640
Speaker 1: That's not me saying that. I do agree he gets

507
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 1: better over time. This is why the fight is intriguing

508
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 1: because they actually see there are different ages, but they're

509
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: pretty much like I'm not gonna say collision course, but

510
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 1: they're still both elevating their game at a really interesting thing.

511
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: Desperately want to be great too. That's why I think

512
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 2: it would be such a great fight. Would answer a

513
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: lot about where each you're at. Does it make sense

514
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,719
Speaker 2: when you look at the top of the division and

515
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 2: who is scheduled to get next? Who should get next?

516
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean it's got to be shot cut next.

517
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 5: Right.

518
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,879
Speaker 1: For the title? Yes, I don't see how it's not.

519
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this whole shit about like Kamorrow fighting him

520
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: seems like a monumental waste of time. Did I brought

521
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 1: this up? I was talking along one look about this

522
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 1: before the show. I did a tape clothing on ballall

523
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: and I said it before how did he beat Leon?

524
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 1: Because I was like, how did he get these takedowns?

525
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: And then Kamorrow couldn't in the third Leon fight, And

526
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: then you go when you watch and it's not just

527
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: a technical strategy difference, because although that is part of it,

528
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: but there's times where Leon, excuse me, Tomorrow just kind

529
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: of falls into a takedown because he cannot explode anymore

530
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 1: to achieve the position in a firm kind of way.

531
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, Like I just like, you can't

532
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: beat really elite guys doing that as good as tomorrow

533
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 1: has been and is no, I don't have any Was

534
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: there a turning.

535
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Like, what was the turning point that Kamara went from

536
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: legitimately being the number one pound for pound guy and

537
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: a guy that we were like, is he gonna catch GSP?

538
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 5: Is he gonna like?

539
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, is gonna be a top ten fighter all the

540
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: time and after market? Obviously still dangerous in any given matchup.

541
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,439
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't embarrass himself against Jamayah by any means,

542
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: still has something, But what was that turning point where

543
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: he lost it?

544
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,639
Speaker 1: Well, age is a motherfucker, so it's part of it.

545
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: He got old, and you can get old very quickly too.

546
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: I mean you could say, is it the high kick?

547
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 2: Is it the highkick from the Hiecher?

548
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 1: Certainly didn't help things. But this is something that if

549
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: you've not watched fights for very long, and when I

550
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: say very long, I mean five years or less is

551
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: not very long. If you've watched fights long enough, what

552
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: you really begin to see is that there's a lot

553
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: of telltale signs about when somebody is old, one of

554
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about with Gilbert in a second. But

555
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: the other thing you'll say is sometimes in the fight game.

556
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: Not all the time, but sometimes guys just get old overnight.

557
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: It goes there's one fight where there's a difference and

558
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: they never are able to recover. Could the head kick

559
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: have facilitated that kind of.

560
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 2: I think the head kick pushed a moment. Do you

561
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: believe that?

562
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 6: You know?

563
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 2: Because he had critics along the way. While we were

564
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: trying to basically fit his head for the crown of

565
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: being like a top ten fighter in an all time

566
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 2: great there were the critics that are saying, Okay, he's

567
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: been looking great lately, but like he's beating Jorge twice,

568
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: an older version of Joge, and he's beating Colby twice.

569
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: And you know, I always pushed back in I'm like,

570
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: the first Colby fight was you know. I mean the

571
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 2: second fight was close, too, but the first Colby fight

572
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: was an absolute war. Do you look at maybe he

573
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: got old earlier than we realized, but was but wasn't

574
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: wrestling as much and didn't show it as much, partly

575
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: because he was leaning into the striker.

576
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Speaker 1: I have to go back and look at the tape

577
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: more closely to really be able to pinpoint it, but

578
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Speaker 1: at what I can comfortably say is at this stage

579
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I think think that's a waste of time. As good

580
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: as Kmorto has been, second best Walter Waite, I think

581
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: of all time, I do believe that. Okay, be getting

582
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 1: back to this question now about Gilbert, here was my read.

583
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: My read was that he made this more competitive than

584
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: the statistics and the ultimately the scorecards showed. I thought,

585
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: in particular his defensive wrestling and scrambling or the ability

586
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: to reverse position on the ground was excellent and really

587
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: made Sean Brady work for it. However, Gilbert is thirty

588
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: eight years old. I believe I got that right, double

589
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: check that long thirty eight. It looked to me part

590
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: of what was happening BC was that we talked about

591
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: the smothering effect that they wanted to have on him physically,

592
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: but also with the striking, and I think that played

593
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: a role. However, he looked to me, and we have

594
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: great respect for Gilbert Burns, he looked hesitant to throw

595
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: to me, and that is one of those signs that

596
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: it's like, why aren't you throwing more? Whenever you're asking

597
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: about a fighter, why aren't they throwing more? If they're

598
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: not injured? The next question you need to ask yourself

599
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: is how old are they? He's thirty eight? That is

600
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight at welterweight, is not it is? I think

601
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: that that definitely played about.

602
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: I agree. I think I may just come to the

603
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: ending point a little bit differently where I say, Okay,

604
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: the first telltale sign is obviously a lowered amount of output,

605
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 2: and that's what happens to a lot of agent great fighters,

606
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: and you become more efficient, and he's done that. He's

607
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 2: had to become more efficient and look to load up.

608
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: Even when you look at the Jack Della Madelana fight

609
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: of what he was winning, you know, with one five

610
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: to go in the third round, was winning two rounds

611
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: to nothing on two of the three scorecards. It was

612
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Jack that was getting the better of him with the

613
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 2: jabs and the combos, but Gilbert was just landing, smashing harder,

614
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: telling shots on the in between, well timed what have you.

615
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: But there wasn't the threat of the takedown for him.

616
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: So I think he was able in that one to

617
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: balance out what was left of this stamina that he

618
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: has on this level, he's fighting only tough guys. Obviously,

619
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: you if you run down his last time and opponents,

620
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: it might be better than any other name you can pick.

621
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 2: He's just one of those guys that are fighting best

622
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: after best after best in line next. I think in

623
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: a matchup like this, because he's getting older, he has

624
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: to pick his poison of the gas tank, Luke, the

625
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 2: jar it's not full anymore, so he has to pick

626
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: his poison a little bit more on where he puts

627
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: his energy. And I think in order to compete with

628
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: these younger guys, especially a guy like Brady who's all

629
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: gas and no breaks, Luke, he had to put it

630
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 2: in the areas that you praised him in the in

631
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: the defensive takedown stoppage, in the in the scrambling on

632
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: the ground, in everything to not get overwhelmed by this guy.

633
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: That when what had to suffer the amount of energy

634
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: he has in the striking. And I also think when

635
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: he got Brady putting on such a pace to him,

636
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: if you're going to try to strike on that level

637
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: at that pace, you're gonna gas out. And that's why

638
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: we saw him have to be more judicious on there.

639
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: So this is that telltale sign he's at that point

640
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: where he can give the wrong young guy a tough nightly.

641
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: Even though even a riser like like Sean Brady kind

642
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: of was coming off of that gas stolone win where

643
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, if Brady wins this, he's going to

644
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: catapult into the into contention. He still can can stop

645
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: those guys, whether it's knock them out to prove that

646
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: or get a close victory. He still has five ron stamp,

647
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: which is not easy to do at thirty eight with

648
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: big time mileage. But no, he doesn't have the young

649
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: legs on that level to you have. You know, you

650
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: got to pick your poison, and he's putting it into

651
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: defense and he's putting it into the wrestling, And would

652
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: you say that the grappling purist in you was almost

653
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 2: direct watching some of those transitions. That was elite shit

654
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 2: back and forth. They were trying harder on the ground

655
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: than when two guys have great ground games typically try

656
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: to do right. You're more often to get a or

657
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: not more often, but you get a lot of Covington

658
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: versus Usmann part ones where they're like, yeah, let's just

659
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: punt on the wrestling and kickboxes. They went after it

660
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: and tried to one up each other, So that takes

661
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: a lot of energy at thirty eight to do. Gilbert

662
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: is so smart that he can still compete, but he's

663
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: done competing for the title. Let's be fair enough.

664
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: I think that's probably accurate. I don't know how much

665
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: more you can say it. I think you're right. If

666
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Brady had made a couple more mistakes, maybe it's a

667
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: different fight.

668
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: Or what about BMF for Gilbert thirty eight?

669
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: I still think is a little old for that. But

670
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be super opposed. But I don't think he's

671
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: the right candidate.

672
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: Because if you put the BMF stamp on a fight,

673
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: everyone expects to go in there and brawl.

674
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Like, we didn't really discuss it on

675
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: this show. It's something I've talked about a little bit

676
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: on my life chat. Which is one thing that you

677
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: were gone for. You were on vacation when ADCC and

678
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: CJI happened something interesting was noteworthy. Jason Knoff, Michael Pixley,

679
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: some other guys. These are guys who were elite in

680
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: certain cases anyway, collegiate wrestlers who have no fucking interest

681
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: in them them anymore. They just want to make money

682
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: doing pro grappling, and uh, they're great at it, Like

683
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: they're really really good at it, Like Michael Pixley's a

684
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: purple belt and he submitted where a gully granted partly

685
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: due to injury, but he threw him and that's what

686
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: caused you like it was a big deal. My point

687
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: being is like Burns might be able to make some

688
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: good money doing pro grappling at this point. He's got

689
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 1: a big name.

690
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 2: He was, but he's too much left in the MMA

691
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: tank to I think to need to talk about that.

692
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: Well, okay, you're thirty eight. How much more brain hold on?

693
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Hold on?

694
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 2: How much more brain damage? Is key? But his contemporary

695
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: is like our Da, these other Brazilian legends who are

696
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: still at it and still hard to even show and

697
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: put on like a five fight winstreak.

698
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: Show gun, Showgun's got enough ct.

699
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not true.

700
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: And his life in later stages is going is one

701
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: way if you're not concerned about what's going to happen

702
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: to him later on the life, I don't know what

703
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: to tell you.

704
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: I'm using him as an example.

705
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Of the worst example imaginable over a.

706
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: Better example, a guy who didn't take as much danger

707
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: as much striker.

708
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: But he was a good striker. He fought till he

709
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: fought till these.

710
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Guys are were a lot through the combination of smarts

711
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: and just sick.

712
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Tough Gilbert and smart Gilbert is self aware. I agree

713
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: with all that. I'm just saying, if you can make

714
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: seventy five K in a grappling match with no brain

715
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: damage for something you're already very good at, that's fair.

716
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Why would you like just at least consider your options

717
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: at a bare mint at.

718
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Least consider the only fans crossover with Gabby at this point, right,

719
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: you know that's you know, if you can get her

720
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: in that leg.

721
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Log, you get just buttole Yeah, I mean pierce nipples

722
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: and butthole. Okay, obviously let's go to point number two here.

723
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: We'll stay with UFC Vegas ninety seven. Talk about some

724
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: other things that were on the card. How about that

725
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: co made event and Italian Silva coming back after her

726
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: sister died. We're not sure about the circumstances, but it

727
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: appears to be drug related, and obviously that is insanely tragic.

728
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: So for her to come back and perform as well

729
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: as she did against just go on Rodge where androge

730
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: BC was all over her and yet was getting pieced

731
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: up essentially, not quite essentially.

732
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: Kicked and late in that third round just walking in.

733
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: The entire time. How impressed were you with Natalia Silva?

734
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: Hugely impressed. I mean as impressed as I was with

735
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: Sean Brady in the main event. I was more impressed

736
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: here with Silva, because, again, Silva we know as a

737
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: volume striker, heavy on speed, good cardio, all of that,

738
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: but a decision machine at this level. For the most part,

739
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: the big question was what's she going to do under

740
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: pressure against somebody who's still a very elite slugger, at

741
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: least in Androge, no question about that. Who commits to

742
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: getting I mean, even in the final two minutes of

743
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: that fight on Rodge is committing to getting in that pocket,

744
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: eating big shots and just throwing. But Luke, if Silva

745
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: wasn't tough enough to take that, she's never going to

746
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: get to what her wind streak made her look like

747
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: a potential tie prospect. She had to pass the test

748
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: the hard way. She passed the test the hard way.

749
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: She took huge bombs, never withered, never took a backstep,

750
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: was always able to then reset and get right in

751
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: and deliver damage. Luke, you can't tame Androge, and to

752
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: be honest, Silva barely tamed Dorodge barely right, But you

753
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: can't take it taint. You can't tame someone like that

754
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: unless you can hurt them, unless you can give them pause.

755
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: Did Silva give Androdge pause? Well, not really, because that's

756
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: what Androge is made of. She just keeps coming. But Luke,

757
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: she legitimately for someone that's not a knockout puncher. Per

758
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Se had a couple of really nice stoppages on the

759
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 2: In the early part she was she's sitting down, especially

760
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: on the high kicks. She's a threat with that.

761
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: While she's while moving backwards and laterally that's I mean,

762
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: we're not even talking about that that part alone.

763
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: And she's insane. The combination of her stamina mixed with

764
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: how active her her offensive guard is when she's when

765
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: she's coming after you, she's moving, her hips are constantly

766
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: teasing like she's about to throw a kick, even when

767
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: she's looking to just set up jabs. There is so

768
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: much energy being used, but it puts that thread on

769
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: you constantly. There are fighters that can keep up a

770
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: high pace and put that thread on you, even if

771
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: they're not knockout punchers. A lot of times it comes

772
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: down to can these fighters take the punishment that will

773
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: come back to them from the elite fighters. In this case,

774
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: obviously Androge is not super elite, but she's always dangerous

775
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: enough and still dangerous enough that we would have found out. Dude.

776
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: What we found out was we have a real contender here.

777
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: I mean, would you say that she seems to be

778
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: wired for great in as Silva.

779
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: She does. And by the way, understand the context too.

780
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: We know that Androge has been up, she's been down,

781
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: but she came into this fight having wins over Mackenzie

782
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: Dern and Marina Hyde. She seemed absolutely revived. But what

783
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: she got shown here was somebody who was maybe not

784
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: physically on par with just Gondrodge, and frankly, I'm not

785
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: really sure who is, maybe Tatiana Suarez, but there's not

786
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: many people, but was technically a much bigger match for

787
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: her than she was ever prepared for. One thing, on

788
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: this to Talia Silva, one hundred and seventeen strikes just

789
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: Gondroge just fifty. More importantly to me, this is how

790
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: many she landed Silva in the first round, thirty three,

791
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: second round, thirty seven, third round, forty seven, it got

792
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: worse as time went on. That is the kind of

793
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: thing that I look for when I see, Okay, you

794
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: had a tough fight against a former champion, no less,

795
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: did you limp to the finish line or did you

796
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: fucking sprint? And she sprinted?

797
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: And she got hit late, Meaning to tell your Silva,

798
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: she got hit late in that third round with the

799
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: kind of shots that Okay, maybe she wasn't in danger

800
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: of getting knocked out, but look, we've seen people in

801
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: that spot kind of coast to a victory like you're saying,

802
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: or or kind of just defensively circle away. She actually

803
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: dug in more and let the shots go. So Luke,

804
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: the speed is elite. The way that she sets up

805
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: her offenses seems pretty damn elite. The chin was good

806
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: enough to pass a very tough test.

807
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: It's actually really good.

808
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: But you know, when you look at when you're looking

809
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: at checking all the boxes, Okay, is this person may

810
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: or female, a true potential title contender? Her takedown defense

811
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: is like something like ninety percent. It's something stupid.

812
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Let me verify that.

813
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: So tell your sil so when you have that ability,

814
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: and I know androg is not a mind Androge is

815
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: not known for being I mean, she can wrestle, but

816
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: she's not known as her calling card. To have that

817
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: in your back pocket. Now you start to go, okay,

818
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: let's actually look at the names ahead of her. Is

819
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 2: she a true title contender? Look, she matches up pretty

820
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: damn well with most of the fighters in this very

821
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: good division.

822
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: Here's her list of names on her resume from the UFC,

823
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Jasmine Jazzavisius, Teresa Bleda, Victoria Leonardo, a couple of ones

824
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: in the middle of that maybe you don't care about. But

825
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: then Andrea Lee, Vivian Araujo, and now Jessica Androge. And

826
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: this was one sided. One sided. If anything, I absolutely

827
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: think one This is yet further proof that one' twenty

828
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: five is the best women's division, which was not the

829
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: case just a few years ago. It has absolutely transformed

830
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: into one. And second of all, this was so impressive

831
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: and so exciting that it has made me confident she

832
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: could not only contend for a title, but win it

833
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: and hold it.

834
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

835
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got something special going.

836
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: I mean, imagine her against Rosso, jef Chenko, barrou Suarez,

837
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 2: as far as that one fifteen.

838
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Sorry, what am I saying they.

839
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: Like these, Like, dude, this division is very good, and

840
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: I mean you still need to see more. But talking

841
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: about answering enough questions, Yeah.

842
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: This is kind This was a level up fight. Yeah,

843
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: can you do it? Can you? Can you be at

844
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: this position?

845
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 2: A resounding Yesers Grosso would be a high output, high

846
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: level fight that'd be very fun to see.

847
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: And the question of who can hurt who? You know? Again,

848
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: to your point, she's hard to take down that it's not

849
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: so susceptible. There a couple of the notes from this

850
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: card B see Matt Schnell retired in the octagon after

851
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: getting submitted I believe by Cody Durden.

852
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: In a fight that Durden got pieced up early.

853
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean Matchanell's talented. He's not like unbeatable,

854
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: but he is very talented and.

855
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,399
Speaker 2: Realized how how bad that recent stretch was for him

856
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: that led up to this.

857
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: Ye, he's lost five of six something like that, but

858
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: he's got finished in four of his last five. Yeah,

859
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: I mean that's tough. We okay, But he also has

860
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: one of the great comebacks quite literally in the Superdergy fight.

861
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: One of the great comebacks frankly in MMA history. Here's

862
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: the thing I'm going to ask you about, not so

863
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: much the fight. I don't really care too much fun

864
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: TV fight, fun TV fight, yeh. Should he have gotten

865
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of Mike time as he retired.

866
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,919
Speaker 2: He kind of snuck it on them. I don't think

867
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: even with the losing that you could have predicted this.

868
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: Because he's only thirty four, and because he's in so

869
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: many of these fights, yes, he'll end up the streak,

870
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: especially when you had an amount of stoppages that long

871
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: Island Luke accurately inserted. It raises more questions. And if

872
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: this comes to where he just is a smart fighter

873
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: who hits a limit and says, you know what, it's

874
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: only going to be, you know, diminished returns as you

875
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: would say from here, and then the addition of head trauma,

876
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: then maybe it's just a smart decision. But you know,

877
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't think he had that that many

878
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: losses in that streak, But I think he snuck it

879
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: up on them. He kind of just you know, threw

880
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: them in on the side and maybe wasn't looking to

881
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: make it a big deal. I'm sure there's ways you

882
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: could have orchestrated that or communicated it and gotten the opportunity.

883
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: But I mean, it's nice. It's nice to give somebody

884
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: the mic in that situation. You have to know though,

885
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: where they were in the broadcast much they had already stalled.

886
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 2: You know, there are times when it's just sort of like,

887
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: cut the interview, we're not even gonna do when we

888
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: have to go to the next fight. It didn't seem like,

889
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: didn't feel like that. So I'd like to have seen it.

890
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you the truth. The first time I

891
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: thought about it was when was when you asked it

892
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: on the rundown. I hadn't necessarily thought like, oh, yeah,

893
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't I have this weird taste in my mouth

894
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 2: that as much as I love what Michelle Water Waterson

895
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: Gomez has brought and sort of what her legacy is.

896
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't like her getting mic time.

897
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: No, they just kind of sit. They made it like

898
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 2: a ceremony out of it, I see, And I was

899
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: just like she was.

900
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. I mean, I know, I know you

901
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: know this, but like for fans who are like a

902
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 1: newer she will and again last five years, as I

903
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: would call it newer, she was extremely relevant at a

904
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: certain point in time and a very important fighter for

905
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: the women's divisions at a certain point in time. That

906
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: has faded substantially in the last five years, and so

907
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: people are like, well, what the fuck is she getting

908
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: all this you know, heroism shit for.

909
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: They gave her a Yowana type like red carpet, like.

910
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: Not quite that much, but maybe it was relative to

911
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: what people were expecting, it was a bit much. Here's

912
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna say. I'm going to beat the UFC

913
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: up over this because I know that there are often

914
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: sometimes people think, well, why can't you do this? And

915
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: there actually ends up being like when you talk to

916
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: producers on shows that you know this from calling fights,

917
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: sometimes they have a very strict timed rundown and once

918
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: you make a change here, it causes problems all the

919
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: way down, which you can do for certain kinds of things,

920
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: like imagine a fighter had like a seizure in the

921
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: in the ring and they had to talk about it

922
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: or something. You can do it then. But I'll say this,

923
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: like you know, it goes back to the fighter pay

924
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: debate match. Noel has been a very I've interviewed him

925
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: many times. I found him to be I disagree with

926
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: many of his conclusions, but it's thoughtful. Guy from originally

927
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: think he's from Louisiana, and I think he ended up

928
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: in Texas, maybe somewhere else now. But the point I

929
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: want to make was he was a vociferous advocate for

930
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: no fighter union and for the pay that they get,

931
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: and basically not just that, but like the way in

932
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: which everything was structured for.

933
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: Quo, I want to negotiate it myself.

934
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate the opportunity to negotiate it for myself

935
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: rather than having collective bargaining. And I just like it's

936
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: a bit of a cautionary tale about what that kind

937
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: of attitude gets you. It doesn't they're not going to

938
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: love you back for it. It doesn't. It doesn't work

939
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: that way. You have to This is a world where

940
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: you have to take things, and there's a right way

941
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: and a wrong way to do that, of course, but

942
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: being nice to the UFC or any company doesn't mean

943
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: that they're any company, any company Corporate America, does not

944
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: mean they're going to be nice to you back. I

945
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: think he should have gotten one if there was an

946
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: opportunity for it, but they didn't give it to him. Well.

947
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: Also, to be fair, businessing's a little wordy on the mic.

948
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: He's not parsimonious, is he? He's not very parsimonious. You

949
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: know what parsimonious means, probably not probably an economy of language,

950
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: like very minimally used.

951
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 2: Do you have any friend circles where you guys just

952
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: get together in the equivalent of just putting it out

953
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 2: on the table and touching each other, You just trade

954
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 2: big work.

955
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: Most of my friends and want, Oh, that's called scrabble.

956
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: Do you play scrabble?

957
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: The actually don't play scrabble? Should I play scrabble? I

958
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: don't know.

959
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: But you love shit like that?

960
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Well, I mean people who don't have a very good

961
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: vocabulary think factory. You think people who do they call

962
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: these things big words, whereas it's not big words. It's

963
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: just part of my vocabulary, Like there's not a distinction

964
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: between big and small. And so my friends read books

965
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: so that we don't like have to have these kinds

966
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: of weird moments that you described as this kind of

967
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: fantasized thing that you imagine readers do. I don't know

968
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: how to explain.

969
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 2: You know, my friends and I are more focused on

970
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: did you kill your mic each other? Each ouder and boobs. Yeah,

971
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: that's pretty much it.

972
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: We got to get big bang Zang in here to

973
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: eat chowder.

974
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: No, already beat us to it. He already, Yeah, but

975
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: he I don't think he did, like a big gimmick thing.

976
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: But he did have him in studio with the translator.

977
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: When was this I missed this.

978
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: It was you may have been on vacation.

979
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, Lasting on this Vanessa Demopolis,

980
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: was she robbed against a Mormon. I can't pronounce her

981
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: name very well when she grabbed the inside of her

982
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: car arm bar.

983
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: Her opponent would go on to say afterwards that she

984
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 2: she didn't you know, she clearly, I mean she did

985
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 2: at one point to start that. But she was claiming

986
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: I guess she was claiming that what she ended up

987
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: doing was legal. So what is the interpretation of the rule?

988
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: Okay, here's my best understanding of it. You are fully

989
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: allowed to grab your own glove and inside your own glove.

990
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: You are only allowed to grab the outside of someone's hand.

991
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: You cannot put your hand inside of someone's glove. Okay,

992
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: and she did. But the question I don't think is

993
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: so much did she do that? I think the question

994
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: they were trying to answer, was did that meaningfully contribute

995
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: to her getting armbar? Yeah?

996
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think the problem for Demopolis, and they rightfully

997
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: called her out on the broadcast, I thought was that

998
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: she spent too much time arguing in a very key spot.

999
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: Right it was just before she got extended and put

1000
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: into that armbar, that she was wasting a lot of

1001
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: energy and emotion yelling at her opponent and the referee.

1002
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: I don't I Do'm not against a fighter for trying

1003
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: to vocally point something out that it's a foul or

1004
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: that it's a legal or whatever. But it feels like

1005
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: she kind of succumbed to that and what led to

1006
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 2: the submission loss. So when that when that leads directly

1007
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: to her getting stretched to armbar and tabs, and then

1008
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: her first core of actions to run back and I

1009
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: told you so and get in everyone's face and make

1010
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: a big deal of it. You do have to kind

1011
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: of play through until you hear the whistle in these

1012
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 2: type of situations, no matter.

1013
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: What I disagree, you sure, I mean, I mean, I

1014
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: don't really disagree in the sense that you got to

1015
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: play through it. I think in general that's gonna get

1016
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: you further than not.

1017
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 2: Well, if we have a system involved in like an

1018
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: instant replay, it would help that decision for sure.

1019
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Dude, like trying to look long on Luke, am I missing?

1020
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: Part of this wasn't. Part of what was happening was

1021
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: they were trying to ascertain to what extent the glove

1022
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 1: grab may or may not have contributed to her getting

1023
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: arm board correct correct all right? To me, that is

1024
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: fucking insane. To me, that is fucking insane. And the

1025
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: reason why that is insane is because was a foul committed?

1026
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: Yes or no? Once the answer is was the foul committed,

1027
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: the downstream effects from that are extremely difficult to figure out.

1028
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: Could it have led to a submission or not, or

1029
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: could it have changed her reactions or not? It brought

1030
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: her out of a place competitively that she was already in.

1031
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: And more to the point, somebody answered for me a question,

1032
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: what the fuck is the illegal in mma? Because I

1033
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: don't know anymore. If it could be a minor foul

1034
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: in basketball, if they see it, they're gonna fucking call it.

1035
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: I watched football yesterday. A lot of yellow flags. Sometimes

1036
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: we're guys lining up off sides. Sometimes the more egregious

1037
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: ones pass interference. What do you have caught it? What

1038
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: do you have not They still throw the fucking flag. Yes,

1039
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: we have done the wrong thing in MMA where we

1040
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: have gone after the judges, like the judges are the

1041
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: problem in MMA. And I'm not here to say BC

1042
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: that the judges we can exonerate them, that there is

1043
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: no issue. What I am gonna say is, I actually

1044
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: feel like much more attention needs to be paid to

1045
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: not just referees, but the commissions that they represent categorically

1046
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: refusing to enforce the fucking rules. If you see someone's

1047
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: fingers in their glove, take a fucking point, separate them,

1048
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: restart it, do something. It cannot be the case that

1049
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 1: you can commit a foul. That that egregious because, by

1050
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: the way, for folks whn't understand something, wrisk control is

1051
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: one of the most dominant forms of a grip you

1052
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: can have on someone. It's the end of the fucking lever.

1053
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: If you get them here, they can't do a lot

1054
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: with it. Once you get that, And that, by the way,

1055
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: hooking inside someone's glove is like an insanely dominant grip.

1056
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Trying to fucking matt lock your way through the evidence

1057
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: to be like, well, maybe it would have led to

1058
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: the submission, maybe it wouldn't have it so misses the point.

1059
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: Somebody said it on the broadcast. What they throw out

1060
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: an idea of what if you warn somebody for the

1061
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: first aggression? No fall, what's the word I was looking for?

1062
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 2: Philharmonic or egregious? Egregious? Thank you very much. See, friends

1063
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: help each other out. They don't judge each other. Basically,

1064
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: don't judge their dictionary.

1065
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: If anybody judges, you judge me full time.

1066
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

1067
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: I I yeah. They said. The suggestion was you warned

1068
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: somebody the first time, and then no matter what the

1069
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 2: next follow is, even if it's the first following a

1070
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: new category, you lose a point, and then the next fole,

1071
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: no matter what it is, you lose a point. So

1072
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: it's basically like you get one get out of jail

1073
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: free card. Then it's like get your entire.

1074
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: Show, you get one out of jail. Get up dude.

1075
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, even okay, you're gonna go again on

1076
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: the same run over again. But I'm trying to tell you,

1077
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: even if they put that in, there's still a ground

1078
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 2: to do it once, which you can still kind of

1079
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: play with. But at least there'd be a set system

1080
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: in play. Now it's sort of like, well, I'm gonna

1081
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: warn you twice in this category and then wren you

1082
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 2: one and here, and then warn you in this one.

1083
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: And also to your point, there's just some of this

1084
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: seemingly apathy from the referees to jump in and do

1085
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: this enforcement. I don't know is there are they being

1086
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 2: told by the commission there's a fear that this plays

1087
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 2: into the scoring and it becomes too much of a controversy.

1088
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: Then he got Danta saying that point never got taken

1089
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: away or whatever. You have to establish early in these

1090
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 2: fights that you are in control that this stuff won't

1091
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: won't become a problem. But you sort of took the

1092
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: question essentially of should Demopolis have played through it or

1093
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: should she have done what she did, which is basically

1094
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 2: spend more time yelling to the referee and opponent and

1095
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: open up the room to be armbard. She's got to

1096
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: fight through that. You gotta play to the whist on that.

1097
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: Then afterwards, maybe you go to the referee and you say, look,

1098
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: you know, I know what, we may have instant replay here,

1099
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: but what the fuck you can't do that in that

1100
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: moment you're gonna lose the fight. You can't then just

1101
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: stand up and complain.

1102
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: Why is she even in that position to begin with?

1103
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: Why does she have to even mentally say, well, someone

1104
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: just committed an egregious foul on me, but I guess

1105
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 1: I have to fight through it because.

1106
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: You taught yourself at all times. It's just like boxing.

1107
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: I understand protect yourself at all times. That's fine, you

1108
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: can say that's her job. Why are we letting the

1109
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,919
Speaker 1: referees off the hook by saying, well, just protect yourself

1110
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: at all times and then bitch later. No one's gonna

1111
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: care later. The only reason we're actually caring about it

1112
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: is because she did it actually during the middle of

1113
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: a fight. And the reason she actually did it in

1114
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: the middle of a fight dot dot is because these

1115
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: motherfuckers won't take a point, they won't reset position, they

1116
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: won't do shit. I took one class. I'll never forget this.

1117
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: Let's just put cocaine on your wheedies this morning.

1118
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: I come in with low energy, you get bitter. I

1119
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 1: come in with high energy, you get bitter. Can you

1120
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: just not be bitter?

1121
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: Did you try that? Can you just not be better?

1122
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: Buddy?

1123
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: You're about a week away from that staff infection. Just

1124
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: take you.

1125
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: I gotta rub it on your mouth. I'm trying to understand.

1126
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: There was a class. This is no bullshit. There was

1127
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: a class I took in college. I'll never forget it.

1128
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: And the one time a professor asked us what makes

1129
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: laws legal? What makes them legal? You can write them

1130
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: down on a piece of paper. Is that what makes

1131
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: them legal? You can say that Congress passed it. Does

1132
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: that make it legal?

1133
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: No?

1134
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: The only thing that makes a law legal is to

1135
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: what extent it is enforced. That is it, if you

1136
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: have a speeding sign in your neighborhood that says twenty

1137
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: five miles an hour and you go fifty five and

1138
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: there's zero consequences for you or anybody else, is that

1139
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: law legal Not in any functional sense. There has to

1140
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: be a degree of enforcement to give it the legal backing.

1141
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: It's the same thing with the fouls. Even if you

1142
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: don't want to take a point reset position, stand them up,

1143
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: do something other than well, I guess I'll get the

1144
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 1: next one when it comes around, unless, to your point,

1145
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: it's an eyepoke, in which case we start the oopsie

1146
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: clock all over again, and you get a free one

1147
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: of those.

1148
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: Now, it's fucking insane. I got an issue here across

1149
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: the board, but they don't seem to really want to

1150
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: fix a lot of these issues when I say that,

1151
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: And then we got rid of twelve to six elbows

1152
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: and we changed the rules on a down to opponent,

1153
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: so there has been positive change. That's an Andy Foster

1154
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: thing in California.

1155
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1156
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: Did he help it with that on?

1157
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: Yes? He did. I'm just gonna say, hey.

1158
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Andy, if you're listening, let's fix this area too, so

1159
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Louke doesn't have to keep.

1160
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Screaming well here, I mean, I'm just gonna say this again,

1161
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: just to wrap up. There was a years and years

1162
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 1: and years of bitching about judging, and I do think

1163
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: that the commissions slowly over time have listened. You can

1164
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: be upset that they haven't fixed it, but they definitely

1165
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: have tried better ways of doing it. It is time

1166
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,879
Speaker 1: to shift a little bit of the focus towards these

1167
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: the refereeing decisions where we're just not going to call

1168
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: fouls anymore. It is so fucking bad for the sport.

1169
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 1: It is bad for the fighters, it's bad for the fights.

1170
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: Let's fix this, please, Okay, uh BC topic number three.

1171
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a bit of a grab bag here

1172
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: in this one. So there were two other events that

1173
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: happened over the weekend, one p one sixty eight in Denver, Colorado,

1174
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: and then Bellatre, San Diego. There wasn't anything on an

1175
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: MMA consideration that was super important that happened on this

1176
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: one card. Obviously, Jonathan Haggerty got sent to hell by

1177
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: super Like and forty something seconds an incredible win.

1178
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 2: Should we be watching superle Like now on a rod

1179
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: Tang level where just like whoever he's fighting any discipline,

1180
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: we got to be there again.

1181
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: This is the biggest weakness that I have in my

1182
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: combat sports analysis is kickboxing and muay Thai. But as

1183
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: I understand it from people who specialize in those things,

1184
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: super Like might be fighter of the Year and might

1185
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: be like the fighter of the decade like he apparently

1186
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: is the fucking man. So and Haggerty, I was expecting

1187
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: full on violence and this dude just got wrecked with

1188
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: one elbow is insane. But put that aside. The bigger

1189
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: news was Dimitrius Johnson retired from MMA at one one

1190
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: sixty eight. He announced it in the cage. He will

1191
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 1: continue to do some grappling events, which I think is great.

1192
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: To the point about Gilbert earlier, by the way to

1193
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: the same age thirty eight granded flyweight, that's different, but

1194
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 1: simple question. What is DJ's legacy in MMA.

1195
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: He's a pioneer in his own weight class, at least

1196
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: on the super elite UFC level, to essentially walk in

1197
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: and win that four fighter tournament, become the inaugural champion,

1198
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: and then go on a history defining ron currently holding

1199
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: the record for UFC title defenses. But even bigger than that,

1200
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: along with being maybe the most complete fighter in MMA history,

1201
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: which could be the first line of his fighting, you know,

1202
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: obituary when it's all said and done and it looks

1203
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 2: like we all said and done now, I think even

1204
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: bigger than that, he's one of the best five fighters

1205
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: in the history of this sport. The upper Upper Room,

1206
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: the extended Mount Rushmore, whatever you want to call it.

1207
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: I like, I like to imagine it as a table,

1208
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, at the at the very you know, you

1209
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: go to the third floor and then there's the pull

1210
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 2: down ladder and you climb up and there's one more

1211
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: table at the top. To be able to walk away

1212
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 2: from your career on top, by the way, at least

1213
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 2: where he's at and literally be elbow to elbow with

1214
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: John Jones, GSP, Vador Anderson Silva and not have people

1215
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: going no hold on that's you know, that's a hipster argument.

1216
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you can make a hipster argument right for

1217
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: for habib as the oh that's been a topic lately.

1218
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: We did it on High Court. But it's also hard

1219
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 2: to make that argument, Luke, It's actually not hard to

1220
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: make that argument. Demitrius Johnson is one of the five

1221
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: greatest fighters in the history of this sport, and in

1222
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 2: his own division, he's also a sort of pioneer. He

1223
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: is also maybe the most complete pomf for pound fighter

1224
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: of all time if we're actually saying who should be

1225
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 2: pomp for pound number one all time? Not on your accomplishments, right,

1226
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 2: but just sort of like your complete game. He also

1227
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 2: has that and in his back pocket. I mean, look,

1228
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: it's a shame he didn't get paid what his greatness

1229
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: was and that he didn't have a bigger appreciation in

1230
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: following And we've been up and down that road a

1231
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,280
Speaker 2: million times, especially as it pertains to UFC and headlining

1232
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: title fights on fight Night cards and all that. But

1233
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: this guy was about class and he was about greatness.

1234
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: And it's hard to be the cynic critic and go, okay, BC,

1235
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: good take, but what about this and this? He kind

1236
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 2: of covered all of his bases. And that's sort of

1237
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: how he was as a fighter. If you didn't think

1238
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: he had this or didn't think it was exciting, something's

1239
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: knocking you out and you didn't think you can do this,

1240
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 2: Suddenly he's winning a fight just by taking you down

1241
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: and dominating. He could literally do it all. He's one

1242
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: of those fighters that years from now that the thing

1243
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: will age like a fine wine and you'd be like, man,

1244
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: I was lucky to have seen him in his prime,

1245
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: because I don't know if we're going to end up

1246
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 2: seeing a fighter all time that across the board was

1247
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: as great and perfect as this guy was. That's not

1248
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: a crazy thing to say. And that's some of the

1249
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: crazy shit I ever just said. That's how great he was.

1250
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: I don't think any of that is hyperbole. He has

1251
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: a claim, a legitimate claim. You can rank others ahead

1252
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: of him if you want, it's fine, but he has

1253
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: one of the very few fighters five or six I

1254
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: would say, Chelsea Jones, Silva gsp fad or Demetrius Aldo

1255
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: is kind of in that conversation as well.

1256
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: Okay, but hey, DC is not far away from that.

1257
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 2: A lot of slander out there, you guys kidding me,

1258
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 2: you kidding.

1259
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: Me, categories as other guys. But for sure, for sure,

1260
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: Demetrius is. Demetrius is in that conversation. Easy guy to say,

1261
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: has a claim on the very best of all time.

1262
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: I think what I'm a little bit more thinking about

1263
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: is not so much that one, which is an easy

1264
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: argument to make right that he belongs in that group.

1265
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Give me your best theory about why the fans were

1266
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: so ambivalent, if not, if not a little bit rejecting

1267
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: of Demetrius during his UFC run, only for him to

1268
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: end by being embraced and celebrated as a hero, which,

1269
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: by the way, better late than ever. I'm not saying

1270
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing, I guess. I'm just trying to

1271
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: get you to tell me, how did we get from

1272
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: there to here? What's your best guess?

1273
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: Some of that is, in hindsight, how Dana talked about

1274
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: him at times. Dana right now is saying a lot

1275
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 2: of things, like, you know, I always stood up for him.

1276
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was always the case, right.

1277
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: I think sometimes when it comes from the top like that,

1278
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: you sort of go, Okay, this guy's great, but how

1279
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 2: many chigs you FuG you know, who's watching? How many

1280
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: pay per views can But it made sense perfectly right

1281
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: right in there. So I think, you know, at times

1282
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: it's easy, and I think, look, I think it was

1283
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: always not behind the eight ball, because when when fly

1284
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 2: when men's flyweight happened and became real on a UFC sense,

1285
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: there was a unique sort of novelty to it. It

1286
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: was like pinball fighting. At first, look how fast these

1287
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 2: guys are. They're so tiny they could be the size

1288
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: of my teenage brother. But look at how crazy there

1289
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 2: and fast. And then we sort of got our one

1290
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 2: dominant guy, or our Tiger Woods type of version of that.

1291
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 2: But maybe it was in crossover charisma he was lacking,

1292
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: or maybe because it was a novelty niche division, and

1293
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: then he just became so dominant even though he never

1294
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 2: he always did the right thing. So maybe I'm gonna

1295
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: answer my question both ways. Maybe all that sort of

1296
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 2: apathy built into look at this guy, I can't even

1297
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 2: headline pay per views there's fight nights to going. Okay,

1298
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: he's great, but you know, still not answering all these

1299
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: questions because you know, maybe you heard Dana sent it,

1300
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: or maybe, like I said, flyweights never did it for you.

1301
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: But the reason why it's come all the way around

1302
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 2: and he's so beloved today is because you got to

1303
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 2: give him credit for how he played his hand. And

1304
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: like I said, you will look back and say that

1305
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: guy should have been paid more than I, should have

1306
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: been treated better in so many ways. But he was

1307
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: never want to like complain about it and overly campaign

1308
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: for that. He has always had that centered peace and

1309
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: peace of mind, like it's just a fight. When he

1310
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: lost us to Hudo in that rematch, he didn't complain

1311
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: about the close decision that that probably could have should

1312
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: have gone his way. He wasn't out there campaigning for

1313
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 2: an instant rematch. It led to him being traded, but

1314
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: yet he still found a way to get paid in

1315
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: the long run, to have incredible longevity and still be

1316
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 2: in fights that that matter that we cared about in

1317
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: recent years, and to exit on his own terms now

1318
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: seemingly with his stuff. You know, very good and well together,

1319
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: and you're never gonna complain or pick holes critically what

1320
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: he accomplished, maybe outside of like didn't move back up

1321
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 2: to bantamway and you have seen his later years to

1322
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: really find out how great he really was. But he

1323
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: didn't have to do that, and he always went by

1324
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 2: the beat of his own drum, never got too emotional

1325
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: into the game, and still found a way to get paid.

1326
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: I think when he gets to this point now and

1327
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: doing it his own way, you can only applaud it

1328
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 2: because the game speaks for itself. Again, his resume from

1329
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: his means, how can it get any better? He's one

1330
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: of the five best fighters of all time and you

1331
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: actually make the case, you actually make an argument that

1332
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: he is the best. Yet I still think his resume

1333
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: is going to get better over time and the more

1334
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: people go back and unfold it and appreciate it more.

1335
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: But I think he played his hand as well as

1336
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: you could ask. And there's a lot of ways this

1337
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 2: could have gone sideways, or his ego could have taken over,

1338
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 2: or it could have been all about money or him

1339
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: versus data and him versus UFC, and he just played

1340
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: it professionally. And what you get from doing that is

1341
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: peace and peace of mind, and he's now walking off

1342
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: on his own terms, and he's going to go do

1343
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants and have a great time.

1344
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 2: That's kind of how you wish it can be done

1345
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 2: all the time. It's just hard to do that. It's

1346
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 2: hard to be that mature, emploised and to stay great

1347
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: even though you're not maybe always getting rewarded or always

1348
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: getting the respect and love you deserve. I love the

1349
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: way he's walked it out across the board.

1350
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I think he's done well. I have a slightly different

1351
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: view of this. So again, there's simply no question about

1352
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: his place as an all time great, it's quite entrench

1353
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 1: But the issue about like why he was never a

1354
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: bigger attraction, I have mixed feelings about a little. And

1355
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: the reason why I would say that is because he

1356
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: obviously was, like you could recognize how great he was

1357
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: from the word go, But like some of the numbers

1358
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: around him, the math is not exonerating. So for example,

1359
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: he headlined four UFC on Fox cards. Granted he has

1360
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: the fourth best one of all time, although that was

1361
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen when they was the fourth event ever

1362
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: on Fox. He had one of the top ten, but

1363
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: he had two at the bottom, and he had one

1364
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: of only two that got less than two million views. Also,

1365
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: he was the co main event, I believe, or on

1366
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: the main card, certainly in title fights on two John

1367
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: Jones cards, and then he got put into title fights

1368
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: and they would still do only one hundred thousand plus

1369
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: in pay per view sales. It is fair to say

1370
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: that there just was not necessarily a rabid, automatic enthusiastic response.

1371
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: And have that type of personality. Also, even though he was.

1372
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: And hobbling, his Microsoft connection did him no favors. And

1373
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: that's the thing. But I will tell you what. I

1374
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: will tell you what I think. Sometimes his fans argue,

1375
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 1: if he was promoted right, he would have been the

1376
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: biggest star. I simply don't believe that. But what I

1377
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: will say is, and to answer the question that I

1378
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: posted to you, here's my theory. Tell me what you

1379
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: think about it. When he went to one, the entire

1380
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: corporate posture that he was up against changed. Remember the

1381
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: UFC wanted him to fight TJ. Dillashaw in twenty seventeen.

1382
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: He's like, I'll do it, but you got to pay

1383
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: me more for this kind of opportunity, and they were like, no,

1384
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: we're not going to give you pay per viewpoints. We're

1385
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: not going to do it, and he ended up fighting

1386
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: ray Borg instead, which created, by the way, one of

1387
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: the most memorable moments in the UFC title fight finish

1388
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: ever last second. But when he went to One, the

1389
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: automatic posture was the King is here. Look how lucky

1390
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: we are to have this guy. And he had a loss,

1391
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: obviously in one. It wasn't all perfect, but the entire

1392
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: world that he entered there was all about let's celebrate

1393
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 1: him at all times in every way that we can.

1394
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: He had memorable fights with Moraish. He remember fights with

1395
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: the Mixed Rules about as well. He lived up to

1396
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: his end of the bargain and was still getting good

1397
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: obviously through the whole time, and.

1398
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: They made their US debut. He was sort of the face,

1399
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 2: still the ambassador when.

1400
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: He was when he was around people forget GSP was

1401
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: around at times as well. John Jones was at times

1402
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: around as well, Silva was around. It was hard to

1403
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: stand out, but when he went to One, he was

1404
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: the guy and they were thrilled to have him. And

1405
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: I know one has a lot of problems, but I

1406
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: actually feel like that did a world of good for

1407
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: how Dimitris Johnson is viewed today and will be viewed

1408
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: historically as well.

1409
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: And I did wrong myself in real time, you said Borg,

1410
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 2: And I was thinking the last second submission, Borg was

1411
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: the flying submission.

1412
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: Well he picked him up in the air.

1413
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: And who was the guy he did in the last

1414
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 2: second of the fight? And yeah, yeah, I mean for

1415
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: a guy. Okay, but that even doesn't that even bring

1416
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: out even more how incredible he is. That he's in

1417
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: this conversation for not being a commercial force. That even

1418
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 2: speaks even more how great he needed to be. Like

1419
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: I said, it's hard. You actually don't he has the thing.

1420
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 2: It's hard to pick apart, it's hard.

1421
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: To pick up. I'm just saying. I'm just saying in

1422
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: a world where we would have more options, we don't

1423
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: have many options. DJ had options because he's DJ. Yeah,

1424
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: and they had did the whole Ben Askern trade and everything.

1425
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 1: In a world where we have more options, not everybody

1426
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 1: is going to be a good fit for the UFC.

1427
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: Some guys are going to be much better fits in

1428
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: other places. And we can't really appreciate this because we

1429
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: only have UFC. And then Bell tore getting booed out

1430
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: of every venue that they seemingly go to even after

1431
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: they change ownership. But at one DJ found a home

1432
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: where people really wanted him and they really cared about him,

1433
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: and they really stuck to that, and he was the

1434
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: big fish in that pond, and it fucking worked. It

1435
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: fucking worked.

1436
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 2: A Devil's Advocate response here just on like this means

1437
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 2: he won't fight in the UFC, right because he's for

1438
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: everyone having contract issues with one right now and people

1439
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: are like posting things on Instagram and then deleting them

1440
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: and you know, by.

1441
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: The way fighters, by the way. I reached out to

1442
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: Gary Tone and via email, I have not heard back.

1443
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: Okay, that the guy I'm referencing in that case, but

1444
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: we've seen other people talk about it open and honestly,

1445
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 2: if he wants like, let's say he wants you, let's

1446
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: say there was a world where he cared about it.

1447
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: A trilogy with Henry so Hudo, there's something like that,

1448
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: he can't just do that, right. He's probably deep into

1449
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: He's probably deep into a locked one deal, right, so

1450
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 2: this is probably.

1451
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: The one is not known. I mean, the ben Askrin

1452
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: trade was the exception that sort of proves the rule

1453
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, dude, I mean people won't even

1454
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: speak about what dude, let me tell you something. Let

1455
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: me say something. I have been to gym's in the

1456
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: last year, okay, and I have talked to fighters at

1457
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: one and they are terrified of speaking out, partly because

1458
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: there are contractual provisions that are almost acting like non

1459
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: disparagement clauses inside their deals. But when I tell you that, like,

1460
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: you haven't even scratched the surface of pissed off one fighters.

1461
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: Like when Bouchet based a post or something, the boy

1462
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: that rabbit hole goes deep.

1463
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: Well, now Shatru he's got a black belt and BJJ,

1464
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't speak out either.

1465
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: Hey you know, did he do the postfight press conference?

1466
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: Does anybody know? I don't know, Like, did nobody ask

1467
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: him about? Hey, you know, Rener de Ritter just told

1468
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: you guys to go fuck yourselves and to fight.

1469
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: You can ask questions like yeah, I guess like beare

1470
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: questions without a setup to protect him. I don't think.

1471
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: I mean, we almost got him on the show that time, remember.

1472
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, right cha, dude. Chauchri has promised to be on

1473
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: one of my various.

1474
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 2: Podcast I had him on my other my pre mk pod.

1475
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he doesn't perceive you as a threat. That's

1476
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: why better. Yeah, the games that fucker's played with me.

1477
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

1478
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 2: All right, are you putting up in yoana level in

1479
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: terms of brudges?

1480
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: No, I don't care enough about it to say that,

1481
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: but I just mean like it was a It was

1482
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: very Frank Martin misses out on interviews because I just

1483
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: think he's dunking it up. Chautrey was clearly like making

1484
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: strategic avoids. All right, very quickly. Michai Musabacci was hospitalized

1485
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 1: or a terrible weight cut. By the way, does he

1486
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: have a hole in his lung? He tore a piece

1487
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: of his lung. I just want to point out, good

1488
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 1: job solving weight cutting. Huh eh, Hey, who was the

1489
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: guy who said all along they didn't solve ship? Was

1490
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: it this guy who said that? To the two various

1491
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: accusations about how I was being overly negative and couldn't

1492
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: we try something new? And I was like, don't you

1493
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: understand this is all a bunch of bullshit, And over

1494
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: time I have been vindicated in a number of different ways.

1495
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 1: I just want to point that out to you. B said, yeah, hey,

1496
01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: I'll give you your ballall by Ko, I'll give you.

1497
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: You're Francis by wrestling. You got to give me that

1498
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: super like as I mentioned, defeated hackerty Liam Harrison retired

1499
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: at least from four ounce muay high after he got

1500
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: knocked out. Let's go quickly if we can to bellatur again,

1501
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: I mean, just boot out of the arena a tour.

1502
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: It sucks because the Usmann and his team Habib mostly

1503
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 2: they took the that fight so seriously because they know,

1504
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: like you know, if you if you come in against

1505
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 2: a guy like Shabbie and not do that, you can

1506
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 2: be in trouble. But it's like, what did they win?

1507
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 2: Who cares? And they got booed and they got booed

1508
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: on top.

1509
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: Of that, Yeah, I mean, dude, two weird things about

1510
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: this Brucas. First of all, Usman looked good, not like tremendous,

1511
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: but Alexander should's a good fighter, and Usman looked better overall.

1512
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: He looked better, yes, and managed the rounds to win.

1513
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 1: But there was two problems. One, I've said this before,

1514
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: I cannot think of a major promotion that gets booed

1515
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: more for their main events than Bellatore. It is shocking

1516
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: how often that happens, and not just I mean this

1517
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: has only happened I think one time with the new promotion.

1518
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: But like under the previous leadership, Jesus, they couldn't stop

1519
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: getting booed. But here's what I'm gonna say. They had

1520
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: Habib number get made off in a corner cam on

1521
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: the screen. Okay, did you see this long island, Luke?

1522
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: Did you use so corner cams they post for like

1523
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: what ten fifteen seconds something like that? Right, dude? They

1524
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: left it up for like three or four minutes at

1525
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: a time with audio, with audio for every single round.

1526
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 2: Okay, but isn't that them acknowledging no disrespect? By the way,

1527
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: they do have a nice and ounce screw that's not

1528
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 2: a bad pi Jimmy Smith and which is actually a

1529
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 2: good doing.

1530
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: I like both of them.

1531
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 2: Is this their way of acknowledging that better than any

1532
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: other content we got? So let's just let it be

1533
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 2: speaking Dukistan.

1534
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1535
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: By the way, that was the other problem. He wasn't

1536
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 1: speaking pure Russian. He must have been speaking some Dakistani dialects.

1537
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: So they kept telling the translator, hey translated, He's like,

1538
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck these guys are saying, dude,

1539
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: it was the whoever made that call had no fucking

1540
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: clue what they're talking about. But that aside Lorenz Larkin.

1541
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: Did you see his KO?

1542
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 4: No?

1543
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: Demon Soon? Demon Soon had a fucking awesome KO over chocally.

1544
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: Levon distracted by breaking news here?

1545
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: What's the breaking news's?

1546
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 2: Randy Couter cannot make it for twelve years today? No, No,

1547
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm serious. Max Holloway's out of today's interview. They had

1548
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 2: they had to reschedule, and yeah did they? And uh,

1549
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: we're yeah, so that happened.

1550
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: Uh is he doing any other shows today?

1551
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have an answer on that. You know,

1552
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: would be interesting if that happened.

1553
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 1: But be on the lookout for it.

1554
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm sure it wasn't. Uh, I'm sure this wasn't a

1555
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: nefarious attempt by anyone to undercut it, Sloop, this happened.

1556
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: Listen, if he ends up on another show today, just

1557
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: know that we confirmed with his people today. Right. I'm

1558
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: not blaming Max, mean, who knows.

1559
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: I wire you probably got a schedule moved around, like

1560
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: like you know, like what happened.

1561
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just pointing out this.

1562
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: Sometimes PR guys like you have this interview block from

1563
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: here to hear and then maybe a fighter is like, no,

1564
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be working on my BJ.

1565
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: This is why, like this is why I don't chase

1566
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: down interviews. Hardly it can burn.

1567
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: Yet we are on a stretch of humorous burning right now.

1568
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: You know this is just this is just what happens.

1569
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Like they're they're just not reliable the process. I mean,

1570
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: this is the Max is amazing. But we love Max.

1571
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: We'll have them on any time. But like this is

1572
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: why I don't chase him anymore, because just has the

1573
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 1: gremlins get their hands on these processes and they tear.

1574
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 2: It up night the moise have no now turned into.

1575
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: Full did they say why?

1576
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: They say standard business stuff. But the schedule issue, they

1577
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: have to reschedule, they had to move. Sorry, they had

1578
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 2: to move the interviews to the afternoon.

1579
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you see him anywhere else today, don't

1580
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: take look you're taking I'm not taking it personally. I'm

1581
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: just saying. I'm just saying, if you're seeingwhere else today,

1582
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: the reason why I got moved from here is probably fuckery.

1583
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put that.

1584
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: But could you give HI much? I mean, maybe he's

1585
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: gonna take a dump. You know, it could maybe he's

1586
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 2: in a Joseph and his flush number.

1587
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming. I'm not blaming Max. I'm saying it

1588
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: could be the PR people doing it, anybody. It could

1589
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: be anybody involved in the.

1590
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: Pie says right here, maybe we can get you closer

1591
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: for giving you on off we keep talking about.

1592
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 1: This, I don't care that much anymore.

1593
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 2: More care more than any more time for my shit.

1594
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: Right, that's exactly right. I'm just saying, if you see

1595
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: him anywhere else, something's up. All right, we can move

1596
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: on from Bellator because I don't know if anybody.

1597
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: Even wants it was a nice comeback from lorenzlock and

1598
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: we'll see the highlight. No, we won't.

1599
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: Not much of a comeback. I mean he was pushed

1600
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: around a little bit in that fight and.

1601
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 2: Then I don't mean come back from in the fight

1602
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: or in his career, but this is his fight back again. Look,

1603
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: here's the bigger question, bigger conversation, and we have it

1604
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot, but it's sort of like, okay, let's live

1605
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: under a Guys that PFL isn't actively using twenty twenty

1606
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: four to shoot themselves on the foot over and over again.

1607
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 2: Let's say that to the rumblings we either thought or

1608
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 2: heard or whatever that maybe there's a contract situation that

1609
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: means belt or has to go on like this for

1610
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But if they don't come out in

1611
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five with a unified front, aren't ready to

1612
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: swing big, you know what I mean, like a slugger going, man,

1613
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to use the

1614
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: cream and the clear in this offseason because I need

1615
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: to compete in this contract year. They're obviously fooling themselves.

1616
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 2: So luke the move here, because the question is like

1617
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 2: Usman and Magametov, and you know he'll be and he'll

1618
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 2: be bafterwards. So I think he's the third. You know,

1619
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: I think I was the best lightweight of all time,

1620
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: and now it's Islam, and now it's gonna be and

1621
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 2: now it's gonna be Usman, And you know, people are

1622
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 2: gonna talk about this dynasty forever and I'm like, I

1623
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 2: hope they will. But right now Usman and Patchie Mix

1624
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: and Johnny Eblin, they're an absolute no man's land. They're

1625
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: on the other side the south rim of whatever planet.

1626
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: On dune two in the desert there Iraqan Iracis Irakis

1627
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: be a barracus. So, Luke, if they don't abolish next

1628
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 2: year the seasonal playoff format, regular season playoffs, million dollars whatever,

1629
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: and pull their roster together and schedule a bunch of

1630
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: pay per views, whether they die on the vine or not,

1631
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 2: and try to come out here as a legit number

1632
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 2: two who wants to be number one? Then what the

1633
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 2: fuck are we doing? And how quickly does Zusmann or

1634
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: Maga Metov get into the octagon and other people like him?

1635
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 2: Because if this is one year fucking around and we

1636
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: don't currently have this division like they told Johnny Eblin,

1637
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,559
Speaker 2: and you know, okay, we're trying to join forces, but

1638
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 2: you did it in a year that you announced to

1639
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 2: everyone that you're gonna compete. They're lucky. It seems that

1640
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: they're getting Francis and Ghanu. Finally, Jake Paul's not walking

1641
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,440
Speaker 2: through that ma cage anytime soon, despite the big announcements

1642
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: and fan fear that was associated with that. Will they

1643
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 2: do it, Luke? Will they drop the gimmick, pull their

1644
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: talent together and say we've got the second greatest group

1645
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: of Mma talent on the globe right now, and if

1646
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 2: we keep at it, we're gonna be number one? How

1647
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: smart is that cage? Seriously, I never get tired of

1648
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: this joke.

1649
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, dude, I don't know how much I

1650
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: trust the general vision of what they've got. I could

1651
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: be wrong.

1652
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: I mean, if they come back of year two and

1653
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: bell with Bellator, the roster split between a tournament no

1654
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 2: one cares about on one side and Belatory International and

1655
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 2: the other, why would any fighter stay there. You've got

1656
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: to get out of your contract as fast as.

1657
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: Possible, if you even can. I don't know how. I

1658
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: don't know how viable that is as a strategy. I

1659
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: don't because, like.

1660
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: We're almost glorifying a chance here to talk about this

1661
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 2: Usmann Maga matalf because we like him and think he

1662
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: matters globally. But man, what like? What? What? What did

1663
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: I win? Like? You know, remember Chris Rock said, where's

1664
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 2: my OJ prize in the mail? What did we win?

1665
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 2: You know? He went free?

1666
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: What do we get a lot of entertaining television? You

1667
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: get that? All right, let's move this along, BC if

1668
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: we can. Let's turn the table now that we have

1669
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: extra time too, not.

1670
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: That you're wearing this on your face or anything, you know,

1671
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: I mean, how.

1672
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: Do you feel about it? Let's just put it on

1673
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: the open like.

1674
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been a professional in this business tracking

1675
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: down and fighter interviews for you know, a decade and

1676
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 2: a half. It happens, you don't care that much. Whatever.

1677
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't like announcing that stuff ahead of time. I

1678
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 2: was excited for this one. You don't mean to fool

1679
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: your viewers that. But they want more of us anyway,

1680
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: so it's fine for them. They just want they just

1681
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:04,680
Speaker 2: want us to bang.

1682
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, you know, it's not a huge blow. And

1683
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: again I will have Max Hollowell on when whenever he

1684
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 1: wants to come on. It's he's he has an open

1685
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: invite here, no problem. It's just it's funny. It's funny.

1686
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't laugh at life, oh I

1687
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 2: can laugh at it or or no, I don't mean

1688
01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 2: you personally are and and you know, and just roll

1689
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 2: with the l's, you know what I mean. That's what

1690
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,479
Speaker 2: Long Island Luke likes to do on his podcast, literally

1691
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 2: roll the roll the l's up in the j's.

1692
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: Sorry and then spoke them.

1693
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 6: Yes, I was going to say we don't have too

1694
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 6: many l's on the podcast, but if you're talking that,

1695
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 6: then yes, all.

1696
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: Right, speaking of l's, let's talk about UFC three h six,

1697
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know if any of these are all

1698
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 1: that fair. Some of them I think are fair, not

1699
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: all of them. I want to talk about Seawannamalley versus Morob,

1700
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the rest of that card.

1701
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: I want to talk about UFC, not j J, UFC

1702
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: Riot Season, all the different pieces. But BC, there has

1703
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 1: been a great degree of fan anger, fan pushback, fan

1704
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: dissatisfaction about this Sphere card. A lot of it BC

1705
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,440
Speaker 1: relates to the ticket prices, which have come down substantially

1706
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: but are still a lot although I noticed the cheapest

1707
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: Sphere ticket is only one hundred bucks more than the

1708
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: cheapest Canelo ticket, the cheap.

1709
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, why it's hard to go two ham on this

1710
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 2: argument when we're literally comparing it to boxing on the

1711
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: same night when big boxing fights notoriously overcharged free.

1712
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also like Canelo, that the car the available tickets,

1713
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: so I mean, the ringside ones are mostly taken up,

1714
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: but like even Middle Outer Bowl, they go for thirty

1715
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. They're not cheap at all, Okay, But

1716
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: putting that aside, the ticket prices for the Sphere were

1717
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: just high. And I don't think people are necessarily saying

1718
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 1: that the main event is garbage, but there is a

1719
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 1: certain degree of dissatisfaction with the card quality. There are

1720
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: other problems the branding and whatnot. My question is not

1721
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: about that. It is rather given the scope of things,

1722
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: are the fan complaints about UFC three zero six at

1723
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: the Sphere justified?

1724
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: Yes and no. They're justified yes, because they're not wrong here,

1725
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: and eventually UFC is going to reach some level of

1726
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: tipping point of what the fans will tolerate in this

1727
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 2: in this continued new stretch of content providing and having

1728
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: a show every weekend and having a really large roster

1729
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 2: and try and like hell the to make each show viable.

1730
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 2: The more that you know, they throw out a Speedvac

1731
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: Tiber two fight night and people go nuts and complain

1732
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: that all kind of builds momentum and gets packaged together

1733
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 2: that I think there are legitimate complaints from the re

1734
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: odd sponsorship of the Mexican show all the way through

1735
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: all the things we've been talking about for a couple

1736
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 2: of months. But I say yes and no, and the

1737
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: no side is I think it's all going to be

1738
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 2: forgotten when the fight night happens, because ultimately the pay

1739
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 2: per view is good enough to where Yes, I get

1740
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 2: when you're if you want to complain and say you

1741
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 2: told this this is to be the biggest fight card

1742
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: of all time. There'll never be another one like it again.

1743
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 2: Part of that is we have to wait and see

1744
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 2: if that can live up to it. We don't know.

1745
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: But the other half is, Okay, maybe you expect Connor

1746
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 2: McGregor in that spot, or maybe you expect, you know,

1747
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 2: four title fights on it, but this is kind of

1748
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 2: where we're at.

1749
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1750
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: UFC three hundred was kind of hastily thrown together, even

1751
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: though it was a very, very historically deep car and

1752
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: I think it worked out well. We have to let

1753
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,599
Speaker 2: this card play out, Luke as it stands, even though

1754
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,560
Speaker 2: it may not stand up to what we consider the

1755
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 2: greatest pay per view cards of all time. On paper,

1756
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: there's some absolute bangers on here in the main and

1757
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: comin event are to me absolutely awesome and necessary, and

1758
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: I want to find out. I think it's gonna come

1759
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: down to that, mixed with the presentation and the sphere

1760
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: and Luke, you know, I saw that you've had a

1761
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: take on this, and I actually don't disagree. Ultimately, I

1762
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 2: think this will be handled well and will be handled

1763
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 2: so unique, meaning the presentation of it, whether you're there

1764
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 2: or whether you're watching at home, that I think it

1765
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 2: will leave a big mark and be historically defined and remembered.

1766
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:43,639
Speaker 2: And dude, it's not like these fights are the top

1767
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 2: suck the top three fights, and if we're going to

1768
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 2: add the or taken one of them, I mean they're great,

1769
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 2: They're great. It does go down quick after that. There

1770
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 2: are some things that are undervalue or rated in there

1771
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,879
Speaker 2: that are gonna be worth watching. But they are spending

1772
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: a lot in this, and they're committing a lot to this,

1773
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,519
Speaker 2: so let's give them a chance to wow us. It's really,

1774
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, we've really reached the point where you can

1775
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 2: only talk about and predict so much. I think the

1776
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: fights are there for this card to achieve big and

1777
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: I certainly think the setup is there. You know, I've

1778
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 2: got questions of how it translates on TV, but I've

1779
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 2: been in that building and know how ridiculous that immersive

1780
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: thing is. And every time I've showed video of it

1781
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 2: to people, They're just like, oh my god, Like, I

1782
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: think it's gonna work overall.

1783
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna If you've not, it's just hard

1784
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: to it's hard to appreciate it.

1785
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 2: Not only is that main event awesome, but sew Melly

1786
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 2: is arguably one of their like three most important fighters

1787
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 2: at the moment for marketing and future growth and being

1788
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 2: sort of a face of the brand. They do have

1789
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: him in there, and if he wins, Luke, I mean,

1790
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 2: you know, that's the guy that's ending the broadcast. That's

1791
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 2: sort of central casting in a lot of ways. It's

1792
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 2: not McGregor, it's not you know, maybe a deeper card.

1793
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 2: But I think they are set up to succeed. I

1794
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 2: think this thing will only will only It's hard to

1795
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: say this, but I believe it. I think it will

1796
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 2: only surprise people and blow them away. And I say

1797
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: that's hard to say because they're literally telling you this

1798
01:15:57,720 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: will be the greatest thing that ever happened. I just

1799
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 2: still think that the controversy has almost lowered expectations enough

1800
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: that now they're just going to come through and bring it.

1801
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: And I think what's coming Luke is gonna be hard

1802
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: to fail is really.

1803
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: I agree with a lot of that. Let me just

1804
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: say a couple of things. I mean, I saw some

1805
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 1: people being like, well, Dana promised fight Island, and in

1806
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: the end it was just you guys are just at

1807
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: the fucking Emirates, like you know, there's nothing, there's nothing there.

1808
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, guys, he's a fight promoter. Yeah,

1809
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: he's a fight promoter. And you can pick literally any

1810
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: fight promoter b see him, y La Joya, Jorn Rebney,

1811
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: got Coker, Bob Aram, Eddie Hearn, They're all going Gampbell, mclare, anybody,

1812
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: anybody who's a fight promoter of a reasonably sized promotion.

1813
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: They're going to say a lot of things that are

1814
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: categorically false. A lot it's just going to be or

1815
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: exaggerated or something. That's what the job entails. You have

1816
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: to have a little bit more built in skepticism, await

1817
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: and see approach on some of these grandiose claims. And

1818
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: of course that's true for the sphere as well. My

1819
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: only reason for optimism is BC having in there and

1820
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,879
Speaker 1: sort of taking the red pill. You're like, oly Jesus,

1821
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,759
Speaker 1: this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for something. Also,

1822
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 1: MMA has been missing a degree of pageantry because the

1823
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: business model has changed. Everything is just factory assembly, get

1824
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 1: content out the door. And this is true for PFL.

1825
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: It's less true for one now, but it had been

1826
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: for some time where if they're just focused on content

1827
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: production as much as possible, they're not focused on packaging

1828
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 1: it and making it look nice and giving a greater

1829
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: sense of grandeur to the whole thing that has been

1830
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: missing from MMA. And leaning back into it I think

1831
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 1: is good. But BC, I actually do understand some of

1832
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,160
Speaker 1: the fans pushed back here, and I think it should

1833
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: be acknowledged. I'll say, Canelo versus Burloga is not even

1834
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: the same fucking universe as the best fighter in the

1835
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: best division. The UFC has taking on the consensus number

1836
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: one contender.

1837
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: And it's like two top twelve pound for pound of.

1838
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 1: The world, right, I mean, Canelo is the man Burlonga

1839
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 1: is not. And it's just you just can't say it

1840
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: any other way. But the thing I do think you

1841
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge that you have to acknowledge fans have

1842
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: had two complaints. The branding's one thing, but the two

1843
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: complaints in general before this card ever got announced one.

1844
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: The ticket prices were outrageous for shows in Miami, for

1845
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: shows in Las Vegas two, but not just there, other

1846
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: places around the country as well.

1847
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: What was it wor C in MSG last year nine

1848
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: hundred something insane?

1849
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. And also because there's so much production of content,

1850
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: there have been lingering complaints about card quality. And what

1851
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 1: the Sphere Show represents is not just the union of

1852
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: those two. But when you expect the UFC to correct

1853
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: for high ticket prices and correct for a lagging card,

1854
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: they went the other way and made the most expensive

1855
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: card with not a bat main event, not a bad

1856
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: co main event, but to your point, the supporting cast there.

1857
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 1: I can understand why people have that, and so I

1858
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: fully get why people are really pissed off and dismissive

1859
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 1: about it. My only hope BC, and please tell me

1860
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: if I'm missing anything. My only hope is I don't

1861
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: know if the Sphere Show will be good in person

1862
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: or at home. I have no clue. We have to

1863
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 1: wait and see what they'll do. But this is literally,

1864
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: and this is not an exaggeration to say it is

1865
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: literally the most unique venue in the world. There is

1866
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: nothing like it. Anywhere else on Earth, not even close. Guys,

1867
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: if what we want from the UFC is more pomp

1868
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 1: and circumstance, yes, we want better card quality, to understand,

1869
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: but we also want this missing piece brought back into

1870
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: some of the bigger shows. Can we at least grade

1871
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: it after it happens. I don't think I'm asking a lot.

1872
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: No, No, I think that's the bottom line on that. Really,

1873
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's and I think

1874
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 2: you also just have to like understand. It's like I

1875
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,280
Speaker 2: get the point of saying, Okay, we if you're gonna

1876
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: spend more than it should be more of the best

1877
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 2: fights we've ever seen. It's not gonna be cheap to

1878
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: be the first one to put on a show in there.

1879
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 2: It's just not gonna do it. So like, I can't

1880
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 2: complain about their ambition for this show. What I'd like

1881
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: them to take that money to across more pay per

1882
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 2: views for the second half of the year and have

1883
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 2: loaded up bigger fights involving bigger stars. If I was

1884
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 2: offered that, yes, But Luke, I support the ambition and

1885
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: Dana in this project, because this is we haven't seen

1886
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 2: Dana be this ambitious in the UFC space in a while,

1887
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 2: it's been a lot into power slabs or you know,

1888
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 2: there was the threat of ZUFO boxing a few years ago,

1889
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: and maybe they get into it in the future. And

1890
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 2: I'm not against them getting into it at all. I'm

1891
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 2: just saying, like his focus had seemingly been in other

1892
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 2: areas of growth, Let's see what we got here. It

1893
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 2: is the right matchups on top to succeed. And I mean, look,

1894
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard for all three of these to

1895
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 2: be bad fights and to play out that.

1896
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 1: Way the top three.

1897
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: It's also going to be hard for this to fail,

1898
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 2: I think from a TV perspective, even though we have

1899
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 2: questions about how they're going to execute it. The commitment

1900
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: and the money involved in the Dana's reputation on always

1901
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 2: going for it in these categories, it does follow him

1902
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 2: in here. Let's see what we can do with it.

1903
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,679
Speaker 1: B see simple question about Sean O'Malley. If he beats

1904
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: Morale here, beating a number one contender retains his title,

1905
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: It's assume that that happens, KO or decision. Where does

1906
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 1: that put him all time among best bantamweights in UFC history?

1907
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: You think that's the question now maybe it's not.

1908
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 2: Tell me, I don't think it's the question, okay me,

1909
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,599
Speaker 2: not only because it's a little bit too early, even

1910
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 2: though I acknowledge what these three wins in particular, and

1911
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm not counting the Varo one in here, even though

1912
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 2: I'm not against it and not against that UFC did

1913
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: that fight given what happened in the first one. But

1914
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: we're talking about what the yon all Joe, and now

1915
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 2: if we added Morob to that, yeah, that's absolutely legit.

1916
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 2: He's on his way. But I think the bigger question

1917
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,599
Speaker 2: is what I teased earlier in sort of a defense

1918
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 2: of the Sphere card in terms of who is actually

1919
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: on this event. This might cement him as the crossover

1920
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 2: global star that like we all saw the potential of,

1921
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: but we needed to see if he can win these

1922
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: level fights, and he has surprised us, some of us

1923
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 2: shocked us by how he's gone in there and done it. Luke,

1924
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 2: if this Sphere card is so unique, and we have

1925
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,120
Speaker 2: to assume that even with Dana's recent and words on

1926
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: cracking down on piracy, that there's gonna be a lot

1927
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: of piracy on this be a lot of casual fans

1928
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 2: wanting to tune in just like I think it might

1929
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,479
Speaker 2: actually sell you know, more than people really. I mean,

1930
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 2: what do you think in this day and agent pay

1931
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: per view is the window of what it can actually do?

1932
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: And in traditional pay per view sales, you think they

1933
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 2: can close in on a million? Because if I yes,

1934
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 2: you think that's not.

1935
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: Even I they'd be lucky to get half that.

1936
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: But if you consider the amount of people watching it,

1937
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: I think the question is how big of a star

1938
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: is O'Malley if he knocks out Morab in this setting

1939
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,759
Speaker 2: and is he suddenly literally the face of the franchise.

1940
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: Is he the biggest star in the UFC if he

1941
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: headlines this card? Or is it the guy who keeps

1942
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 2: headlining all the other biggest cards?

1943
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: Alex Pereira right, Well, just to push back a little

1944
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,800
Speaker 1: bit saying it's not really relevant, I would I would

1945
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: argue a little bit with that. Dominant Cruz had two

1946
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: title defenses Hennen Morale. You could say what you want

1947
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: about the interim title. He defended it once against Uriah

1948
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: and then he had two title defenses. TJ. Dillashaw had two.

1949
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: Then he got the title back and defended it one

1950
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: more time after that, and then al Jamin had three,

1951
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: one of those against TJ who had the shoulder pop

1952
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: out like it was nothing. Yeah, Sewn's only had one,

1953
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 1: this would be two, so he would not be on

1954
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 1: the I.

1955
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: Don't even think that's necessarily the point of reference that

1956
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: decides this, because especially in those situations with Cruz coming

1957
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:20,879
Speaker 2: back and winning the bell after long injury, it changes

1958
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 2: the scenario.

1959
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he would be even if he

1960
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: knocks out morab Like viciously. That's not the thing. I'm

1961
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: simply saying he would be setting the table to the

1962
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: point you're raising about a next level of greatness that

1963
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 1: he has not reached yet. And it's not best ever,

1964
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: No it's not, but it is knocking on the door

1965
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: of all time great bantamweights like Sterling, like Dilla, Shaw,

1966
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,640
Speaker 1: like Cruise. It wouldn't put him next to them, that

1967
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: it would put him just a step behind. Were now

1968
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,640
Speaker 1: to the point about his star potential and then his

1969
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: record of achievement, I think raises him should he prove

1970
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: victorious to a level he has not occupied so far

1971
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: in the UFC, I.

1972
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 2: Would agree with that, and I think it plays into

1973
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,120
Speaker 2: why this fight stylistically is so good and why I've said,

1974
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the three best fights the

1975
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,879
Speaker 2: promotion can make, And I know some people have disagree

1976
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:09,840
Speaker 2: with that whatever, but I mean again, we're talking about

1977
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: two of the twelve. I mean, maybe even time I've

1978
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: had Morob in the back end of my top ten

1979
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: pound for Pond, he just got bumped out by other

1980
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: title winners making big leaps in. But when I look

1981
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,519
Speaker 2: at this fight, and I look at the questions that

1982
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 2: O'Malley had when he entered title contention, which were in

1983
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 2: some ways no different than the questions of McGregor of

1984
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: you know, eventually a wrestler will find him, or what

1985
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 2: happens if he gets hit big in a fight, you know,

1986
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 2: and all that. Well, O'Malley has, to his credit, this

1987
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: is why he's in the spot, answered a lot of

1988
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: those questions as toughness. But Luke, some of that is

1989
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: he gets you before you get him in that sense,

1990
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: because he's a knockout puncher. In that regard, I think

1991
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: Morob is sort of has the potential to be that

1992
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: final villain at the final boss at the end of

1993
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 2: the video game. Because the one part, if there's any

1994
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 2: parts of O'Malley's game that we still see as either

1995
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 2: vulnerable or not fully well rounded, or at least hasn't

1996
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: been ex bosed or tested as much. Doesn't Morob fill

1997
01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 2: those holes when we're talking maybe not one punch knock

1998
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 2: up power, no, but when we're talking about a guy

1999
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,479
Speaker 2: with not just great five round championship cardio, but the

2000
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:14,919
Speaker 2: best cardio in the game, and he's a spamming wrestler

2001
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,759
Speaker 2: on top of that, this really is critically the ultimate

2002
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: test to pass, even though we're framing it as is

2003
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 2: this O'Malley stepped forward into you know, commercial cross over

2004
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 2: greatness on a hot, an extreme level. The can the

2005
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 2: sphere as a platform elevate him there? At the same time,

2006
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 2: I think critically this is the final test to answer

2007
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 2: all of the questions to O'Malley's game.

2008
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 1: All right, So then the second question I would have

2009
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: to follow up is give me your best sense of

2010
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: what this fight looks like and how it plays out.

2011
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, it's got that central tension of striker against wrestler.

2012
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: We've sort of made some off camera soft McGregor Mendez comparisons, right,

2013
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 2: that's not insane in this case in the membrane circumstances different.

2014
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, short notice McGregor was injured, but in the way

2015
01:25:58,400 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 1: at which it might look exactly.

2016
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 2: So the question is it's not will will Morob take

2017
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: him down? But it's can he hold him down? And

2018
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 2: what can he do with it? And can he along

2019
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 2: with his constant spamming offense? And I think he's a

2020
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 2: little I mean, he had to prove against the hudo

2021
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 2: that he was a better striker than we thought that

2022
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: was going to be. I think Morob's elite testing ground

2023
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,200
Speaker 2: against someone likes sahudo and look at how he passed it.

2024
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: Can his striking compete on that level? Even though obviously

2025
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: his game is like of course, and he puts himself

2026
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 2: in position at times, Marlon Morice fight being the best

2027
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:29,880
Speaker 2: example of that. But he's going to get in there

2028
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: and close that distance. Can he spam enough and actually

2029
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: mix in some ground and pound and put pressure on

2030
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 2: where he can take away O'Malley's movement and put him

2031
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 2: at a pace early on that has an effect to

2032
01:26:44,160 --> 01:26:46,440
Speaker 2: what he's trying, the game plan that he's trying to execute.

2033
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,400
Speaker 2: That's the central question I'm looking at. But what does

2034
01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: this fight look like? I think it's O'Malley working to

2035
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 2: keep Morob off him and while O'Malley getting up. But

2036
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 2: Luke is, what do you feel about O'Malley's ground game

2037
01:26:58,160 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: in his ability to Okay, if he's gonna yield takedowns statistically,

2038
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: you're gonna do that against Morob. You're gonna give up takedowns.

2039
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 2: What's he ever at six per three rounds?

2040
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Between six point four to three, I think an

2041
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:08,839
Speaker 1: absurd amount.

2042
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 2: What do you know or like about his ability to

2043
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 2: get back up and defend the takedown in general? And

2044
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 2: then in terms of fighting off any submissions as well.

2045
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: Down there, Well, the first thing we should say is

2046
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 1: there's nobody like Morob in terms of takedown attempts like

2047
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 1: that that O'Malley has fought. So went back on I

2048
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 1: loofted the fights. The last two fights that would be

2049
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: the most relevant for O'Malley in this context, Al Jamaine

2050
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: that was one, and then the pudor Yan fight. Those

2051
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 1: are the two that you can kind of look at.

2052
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:37,679
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say about O'Malley's wrestling. I think

2053
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: it is people think it's like not that great. I

2054
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: actually do think it's actually very technical and I'm gonna

2055
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: call it certainly competent. It's not quick, but what he

2056
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: begins to build hip height, when he begins to fight grips,

2057
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: and when he begins to turn or whatever he needs

2058
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: to the various circumstances, he does it very correctly. And

2059
01:27:58,439 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: if you go back to the Yon fight, he was

2060
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 1: able to really there were times he was being held down,

2061
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,720
Speaker 1: but by and large he was able to recenter that

2062
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: fight where he needed to for long stretches at times.

2063
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: So the question is one, how much better has he

2064
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 1: gotten since then? And then two what does Mirob do?

2065
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: Because like Yon wants to keep you down for a

2066
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,360
Speaker 1: great ground and pound, Morob is not that guy. Morob

2067
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: is very very good about getting the takedown. He might

2068
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: let you back up again because he knows he's gonna

2069
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: get the takedown again and just constantly make sure that's

2070
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: the case.

2071
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 2: He's building to win rounds just by constantly just.

2072
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Being on you, just being on you, and it's just

2073
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:33,759
Speaker 1: so difficult to get going. What you have to decide

2074
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: whether you're picking O'Malley or you're picking Morob is Morob's

2075
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: key is the single leg. He does double legs on occasion,

2076
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: but not really. He picks up the leg and he

2077
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: trips out the post, or he'll circle and run the pipe,

2078
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:45,879
Speaker 1: or he has high crotch finishes.

2079
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: Is there slam thread here?

2080
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 7: Uh?

2081
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 1: He picked up Suhuto, but that was off the fence

2082
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: when he had to press into him and then pick

2083
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: him up. It can happen, Certainly, it can happen, But

2084
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: the point I wanted to make was you have to

2085
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,839
Speaker 1: decide whether or not that will be overwhelmed for O'Malley

2086
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: or is a guy like O'Malley who has some strength

2087
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 1: and weaknesses, but his strengths definitely are pinpoint accuracy and

2088
01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 1: excellent timing and especially for guys blitzing on him. Hello,

2089
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 1: that's how we got al Joe off that open side counter.

2090
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 1: Is that ultimately going to be something that ends up

2091
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: costing him in the end because you look at the

2092
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: Yon versus O'Malley fight and Yan was able to land

2093
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: some heavy blows on him late into that fight, but

2094
01:29:24,479 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: he's also able to close distance through other striking setups,

2095
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: whereas Morob is just kind of chucking shit at the

2096
01:29:31,000 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 1: wall and seeing what sticks half the time. And I

2097
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,919
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. By the way, do you smell popcorn?

2098
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 2: I do smell a lot of popcorn.

2099
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 5: Popcorn, right, we got popcorn back here?

2100
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh fucking animals. So anyway, I'm just pointing out that's

2101
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: the fault line, that's the central fault line, because the

2102
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 1: idea that like O'Malley's going to stuff all the takedowns.

2103
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: No he's not. No, he's not. Unless he just ices

2104
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,680
Speaker 1: him in the first thirty seconds or something short of that,

2105
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be taken down. But the problem is

2106
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,480
Speaker 1: O'Malley's takedown defense is not as good as Morob's takedowns

2107
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: in general. But on the other hand, Morob doesn't have

2108
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 1: great ground a pound and then we'll rush into position.

2109
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: What's gonna give I don't know.

2110
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 2: O'Malley is very poised. He doesn't break down, he doesn't

2111
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:13,120
Speaker 2: fall apart. I mean the Cheeto fight would the first

2112
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,160
Speaker 2: one would be the argument you could make. I guess

2113
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 2: against that. How do you sort of look at that

2114
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 2: retro act which one the injury to the foot in

2115
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 2: the first Marlin verified, and and then the idea I think.

2116
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: He redemed himself. Yeah, I mean, there was a question

2117
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: about whether he was brittle, right.

2118
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: But he's he's fully he's fully turned that around against

2119
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: the level of opponents he's been fighting lately. This should

2120
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 2: be the ultimate test of that, at least from a

2121
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 2: cardio and from the potential of what if he falls

2122
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: down a couple rounds standpoint of what if Morob can

2123
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 2: use the combination of the of the constant thread and

2124
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: the spam of the takedown mixed in with offense. But Luke,

2125
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: do we get there if O'Malley is fixed on the

2126
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 2: idea of sniping and making Morob pay for one of

2127
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: these shots, because it may only take you know, one

2128
01:30:56,240 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 2: combination to one big combination to tame Morob right? Or

2129
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 2: am I wrong? Or is Morob gonna get knocked down

2130
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 2: and get back up like it against Maris and keep spamming?

2131
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Can O'Malley discipline Morob's intentions in a game? Nobody can

2132
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: consistently with the jab in the threat of the right hand.

2133
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 1: You can't discipline Morob. He'll just ignore it. So so

2134
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: either he'll overcome or he'll get stopped. But there's no like, oh,

2135
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna fight at a lesser gear. I

2136
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: don't think he knows how to do that. I mean,

2137
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,880
Speaker 1: that's serious. Does he even know how to do that?

2138
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:26,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that he does.

2139
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess the one the one way this goes

2140
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 2: that I that I don't have the biggest stock in

2141
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: am I fooling myself and that's O'Malley by knockout in

2142
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 2: the second or third round. Luke, are we overlooking the

2143
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: potential that O'Malley goes in there and puts a conner

2144
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: on him and in and around and a half, you know,

2145
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: Eddie Alvarez is him?

2146
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: Is I think that would be somewhat unlikely. I do

2147
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,680
Speaker 1: think Morob is just a handful, but uh and has

2148
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:53,080
Speaker 1: certainly gotten better and he could take a beating. He

2149
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: can take a beating as well. I mean he's he's

2150
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: got a motor like nobody, and I think that partly

2151
01:31:57,560 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: is because he's got heart like nobody too. The two

2152
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 1: working tan.

2153
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 2: He's like he's insane, but he's endaringly insane. He's lovably insane.

2154
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 2: But that insanity of just being aggressive all the time,

2155
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 2: there's a point this is the wrong fighter to be

2156
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: that aggressive with all the time. So, Luke, what are

2157
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: those negotiations like Morob looking to You're saying he's going

2158
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 2: for the single leg a lot of times, So he's

2159
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 2: not gonna be showing his shot from from from far distance.

2160
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 2: But what kind of shots from from O'Malley are the

2161
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,679
Speaker 2: potential killers? These short counters as he's as he's ducking

2162
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 2: in to grab the leg. I mean, we're gonna need

2163
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 2: to see a kicking game from Omley.

2164
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll just listen. What Morob is very good about

2165
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,799
Speaker 1: doing is just picking up the leg and then harassing

2166
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 1: your balance, making you move, tripping out the post, running

2167
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: something and if you don't do get you don't get it,

2168
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: will turn you over, force you to your hands. But

2169
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: this is what I mean. He doesn't take the back

2170
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: and hold it. He doesn't have substantial ground pound he's

2171
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: going to get the takedown. How many chances are you

2172
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,640
Speaker 1: going to give Sean O'Malley to get back to his

2173
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: feet and find you, like.

2174
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,720
Speaker 2: I mean, can O'Malley? Is O'Malley still dangerous with one

2175
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 2: leg being held, you know? And those type of short

2176
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: piercing shots.

2177
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,880
Speaker 1: Now that's harder to get real zip and pop on

2178
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,600
Speaker 1: something like that. Maybe let me advance a conversation with

2179
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 1: the time we have remaining. BC. Oh, we got a

2180
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 1: lot of time, though not exactly. It's top thirty before

2181
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: we got to move this along here a little bit.

2182
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: What can be said about the career arc of Morab

2183
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: that has brought him to this position and what it

2184
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:18,360
Speaker 1: would mean for him to win.

2185
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 2: Never sort of got treated as the favored son in

2186
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: sort of given big advancements, how to earn it the

2187
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 2: hard way, But man, he's earned it, and I really

2188
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 2: give him credit for that Suhudo fight. I look at

2189
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 2: Sahudos as having learned from the late start in the

2190
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Algael fight, and I think he came in there, you know,

2191
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 2: as ready as he could at his age, in the

2192
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 2: injury situation, and I love the way that Morab passed

2193
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 2: that test. I think having to take the long road

2194
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 2: to get to the title shot in this incredibly deep

2195
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,439
Speaker 2: division with so many big names, has allowed Morob to

2196
01:33:49,880 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: roll out round out his game a little bit more.

2197
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,040
Speaker 2: And I think at thirty three, he's entering the biggest

2198
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,280
Speaker 2: fight of his life. Really, I think at the perfect time,

2199
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 2: the Christian the transition coming off of the Sahudo fight

2200
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: to this one, and the things he needed to pass

2201
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 2: in that one, although obviously that one had bigger potential

2202
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:08,479
Speaker 2: for grappling exchanges than this one. Will this guy just

2203
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 2: works so damn hard. And I think this is where

2204
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 2: you give credit to that team and Ray Longo and

2205
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 2: and etc. Luke, because you know, having Al Joe as

2206
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:20,440
Speaker 2: your sort of best bud and constant training partner, that

2207
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 2: that iron stripe sharpens iron thing. Imagine those I mean,

2208
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,480
Speaker 2: those two world class tom Pom for pound level guys

2209
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,839
Speaker 2: in basically the same division for all those years, building

2210
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 2: each other up and helping each other around out their game.

2211
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 2: His striking is not perfect, but he's found a way

2212
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,719
Speaker 2: to make it effective. Luke. This guy is has the makings,

2213
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 2: has the feel of of uncrowned champion, a guy who's

2214
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 2: seemingly earned it already, but now he's faiata go the

2215
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 2: long way. Finally got his chance, and he's freaking ready

2216
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 2: to as long as he doesn't hurt himself on the

2217
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 2: walk to the to the ring by doing a you know,

2218
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: backflip off this of the second deck like new Jack

2219
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 2: and E. CW or something, And as long as he

2220
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,439
Speaker 2: doesn't have staff although it looked like a photo shop

2221
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 2: thing before.

2222
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 1: Mind look worse than that.

2223
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 2: What would you say about his arc? He's earned it,

2224
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:05,920
Speaker 2: he's here, He's he's just.

2225
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: An interesting guy. Because in his last like nine or

2226
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: ten fights whatever it's been, all the ones he's won,

2227
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the names are incredible, Soahudo yan Aldo marais

2228
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: Stayman Dotson, John Dotson and after that's a little bit less,

2229
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: but those are great names. He won all of those

2230
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 1: via decision, except for one, the Marash fight, when he

2231
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: was like mega washed, you know, couldn't take any any

2232
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 1: any punishment. He just decisions everybody. But like you go

2233
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 1: back and you look at how he's decisioning them, it's

2234
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:32,800
Speaker 1: it's a fucking tsunami of offense that they drown under.

2235
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I think some folks are

2236
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 1: having a little bit of trepidation about him, being like,

2237
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,599
Speaker 1: is he just gonna fucking wrestle this guy for twenty

2238
01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: five minutes, which is possible, problem, but like the way

2239
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: in which he does that is so overwhelming. If you're

2240
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: going to decision people, you might as well just stack

2241
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: as much offense in there as you can. And that's

2242
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: what he does, and he's become something of a very

2243
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:56,719
Speaker 1: endearing figure as a consequence.

2244
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:59,719
Speaker 2: Okay, but the key to victory here is ground and pound.

2245
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: If the ground and pound is not effective or not

2246
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 2: even present. Yeah, he's not going to win this fight.

2247
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: You can't win the fight. That's where he's going to

2248
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:07,519
Speaker 2: have long stretches of holding O'Malley down, which will lead

2249
01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 2: to long stretches of putting the body out, putting the

2250
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 2: weight on him.

2251
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: Constantly threatens he's got good le like kicks too.

2252
01:36:12,520 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Does anyone offer a legitimate submission threatn here?

2253
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,719
Speaker 1: No, right, Oh, Maley's got a little bit of one. Yeah, sure,

2254
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put it likely, but he's got one if

2255
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: I may. Through the rest of this card here, we

2256
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: don't have to go to the whole thing. But I

2257
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 1: do want to talk about Valentina Chefchenko. Yes, simple question

2258
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: for you. Is this her last chance at UFC Gold?

2259
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 2: No? I think if she loses, I think this is

2260
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 2: the end for her at one twenty five. So I

2261
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: say no because I think she will age gracefully and

2262
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: has talked about wanting to keep fighting. And look at it,

2263
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: man thirty six, look at the look at the condition

2264
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 2: she even though there's a long layoff now a year

2265
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,679
Speaker 2: and they filmed The Ultimate Fighter and all that, who

2266
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 2: she was last September and that draw when you know,

2267
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: when she kind of got screwed out of what should

2268
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 2: have been a close victory. She's still got it. But Luke,

2269
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: if she loses this fight, why wouldn't you instantly go

2270
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 2: to one thirty five and now suddenly you could have

2271
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 2: a dormant women's bandaway division, have Juliana Pina, Kayla Harrison,

2272
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 2: maybe Amanda nun Is coming back, and Valentina in there. Luke,

2273
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 2: So no, I don't think she's done getting a title shot.

2274
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,240
Speaker 2: He contending for one. I think the bigger question is

2275
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,880
Speaker 2: a year later, can she do something to one up

2276
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 2: the younger legs of Grosso and the fact that Grosso,

2277
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 2: to her credit, is constantly improving just the same in

2278
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,479
Speaker 2: all of her fights and constantly getting to another level.

2279
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: If that was the best of what Valentina had left

2280
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: in the second fight, and even with the judging error

2281
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,240
Speaker 2: in the ten eight in the final round it becomes

2282
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: a draw, can we expect her to have another gear

2283
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 2: to even be possible a year later at thirty six, Luke,

2284
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 2: that's my biggest question entering there. But no, I think

2285
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,040
Speaker 2: she can linger at bandam weeight. I mean, you agree

2286
01:37:55,080 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 2: with that, right if she wanted to.

2287
01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I definitely agree. I don't think this is her

2288
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,680
Speaker 1: last chance. I agree that maybe it might. It might

2289
01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 1: be her last chance at one twenty five. Sure that's possible,

2290
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: but I do think she's thirty six now, she'ld be

2291
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:09,600
Speaker 1: thirty seven in March. It's not that far away, but

2292
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 1: not there's still time for her to go up to

2293
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,519
Speaker 1: one thirty five. And you know, Kayla does seem like

2294
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: she's on the war path.

2295
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 2: But oh my god, did you see her stretching out

2296
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 2: the latest video today on Kayla's Twitter, stretching out the

2297
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 2: shirt she wore to work out and just puddles of

2298
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 2: water coming out of there, and she's just like, you know,

2299
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 2: made some inspirational comment to she's just ridiculously.

2300
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: She might be the best women's athlete in the UF.

2301
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,240
Speaker 2: The mental you know, focus there is intent.

2302
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 1: So my point being is the time is limited there

2303
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,559
Speaker 1: as well. But at a bare minimum, you would have

2304
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:42,840
Speaker 1: to imagine she could find herself in significant bouts of

2305
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: consequence right away. Best women's one twenty five champion of

2306
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: all time, go to one thirty five, see what life brings.

2307
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,320
Speaker 2: Almost beaten unis in the second one, let's be honest

2308
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:51,640
Speaker 2: about that.

2309
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she probably should have beaten Alexa Grosso in

2310
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: the second one, What if any adjustments do you anticipate

2311
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,760
Speaker 1: between the two of them for this cool main event If.

2312
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna take Valentina buy her words. I think it's

2313
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 2: interesting to listen to him and what she says is,

2314
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let what happened in the second fight

2315
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: happen in the third one, And that's a judge taking

2316
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 2: it away from her when she thought she won. Not

2317
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 2: to be fair, Valentine is one of those competitors that

2318
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 2: always thinks she wins in any circumstance. But I think

2319
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 2: she's got an argument in a lot of the close

2320
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: fights you know, up until this point, and certainly has

2321
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 2: a great argument of why they took that away from

2322
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 2: her in the second. But Luke, by saying that, by

2323
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: saying I'm not going to, you know, let the judges play,

2324
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 2: is saying I'm going for the knockout. Will that alter

2325
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 2: her game in a significant way? Or is that in

2326
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 2: some way the answer to the question I threw to

2327
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 2: you a couple of minutes ago of like, can she

2328
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 2: actually do any better than she did in the second one,

2329
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 2: given that she's now a year older? You know, they

2330
01:39:45,960 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 2: had that extended break with the ultimate fighter in between.

2331
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 2: Rosso's probably only going to get better each fight. At

2332
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 2: age thirty one.

2333
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 1: Her biggest weakness to this point has been wrestling and

2334
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: what to do underneath. And so the question you have

2335
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,719
Speaker 1: to ask yourself is are there some grounded pound wrinkles

2336
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: that Chivchenko could have worked on up to this point

2337
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: to raise her game. I think the answer is yes.

2338
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm saying she will. I'm not predicting

2339
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: that per se, but like that does seem to me

2340
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: very plausible that that's something.

2341
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 2: So when she says essentially I'm going for the ko here,

2342
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 2: you think it's going to be more aggression in those areas?

2343
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,559
Speaker 2: Do you think she's looking to kick more, looking into

2344
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 2: high kick.

2345
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 1: More you can get your kicks grabbed and then taken down.

2346
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if she wants that, but what I

2347
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,559
Speaker 1: would say is I think she's going to soften her Okay,

2348
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,640
Speaker 1: in theory, she's going to try and soften her up

2349
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:32,160
Speaker 1: for something so that when they're back on the feet,

2350
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 1: you've already done a significant amount of damage and it's

2351
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: a little bit easier to polish off from there. How

2352
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: doable that is, I don't know, she's got to be

2353
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 1: the bully in She's got to be the bully. She

2354
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,519
Speaker 1: has to take the fight because when Grosso lays back,

2355
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:43,800
Speaker 1: and then you go to the wrestling. One thing we've

2356
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 1: also seen from Valentina she is the stronger of the two. Yeah,

2357
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:50,680
Speaker 1: physically she's stronger. Now technically, I do think Grosso is

2358
01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: pretty close to her match. And then when Valentina makes

2359
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 1: errors obviously you saw on the first fight, it can

2360
01:40:55,479 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: cause her big problems. So she can overcome. But that's

2361
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 1: to me the biggest area of potential grins. Then I

2362
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: was thinking, like, what does Grosso get after the Ultimate Fighter?

2363
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:06,040
Speaker 1: And if she really puts the stamp on this Chefchenko rivalry,

2364
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: does she really launch to the next level. I don't know.

2365
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 1: I think actually some fresh blood will probably be the

2366
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: place that takes her to the next level.

2367
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to know if she can continue

2368
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,759
Speaker 2: this great run. If she would then have two victories

2369
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 2: over Valentina Schifchenko and there's a lineup waiting for her,

2370
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 2: there's unbeaten in the UFC Menal Farrow or she maybe

2371
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 2: she's unbeaten overall, there is Blanchefield looking to retool in

2372
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 2: an upcoming fight with rosnama Unis. There's you know, all

2373
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 2: these other names that are suddenly kind of contenders and

2374
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:38,760
Speaker 2: interesting in this division and certainly in Italia. Silva, who

2375
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 2: were just talking about, is another one in that story.

2376
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 2: It's hard because these are going to be really tough

2377
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: fights across the board, one after another. But she seems

2378
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 2: to have that backbone to do it. Look she seems

2379
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 2: to be, you know, made of that ilk, so to speak.

2380
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 2: I love the way she has improved each part of

2381
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 2: her game, her toughness, her chin, her motor. He's gonna

2382
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 2: be tough, but you don't know how much. Going through

2383
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 2: three fights of Chiffchenko at this level it's going to

2384
01:42:04,800 --> 01:42:07,200
Speaker 2: take out of you either. Because you know that last

2385
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 2: one was a five round high speed chess match with

2386
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 2: some physicality to it. I expect that in this one.

2387
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 2: I just wonder if if Valentina's gonna look to lean

2388
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 2: too much into making it a war, does that end

2389
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 2: up backfiring somewhere.

2390
01:42:19,320 --> 01:42:21,440
Speaker 1: The other part two is if you look at MMA trilogies,

2391
01:42:21,479 --> 01:42:23,519
Speaker 1: the fighter who wins the second one typically wins the

2392
01:42:23,560 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: third exactly. And this one was a draw, but it

2393
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:28,719
Speaker 1: should have been Chefchenko and so that's weird.

2394
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: So did she missed her window to get that historically out.

2395
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,759
Speaker 1: To the port and now it's and now it's another

2396
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 1: year later. She's an aging athlete, so it's like, this

2397
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: is a weird one.

2398
01:42:36,640 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 2: She's also one of the greatest of all time, which

2399
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 2: explains why that performance in the rematch was so great

2400
01:42:41,640 --> 01:42:43,680
Speaker 2: after being subbed out in the first one, Like she

2401
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 2: was obviously competitive fight in which she kind of had

2402
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,559
Speaker 2: the edge leading into that loss, but in this second one,

2403
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 2: she absolutely showed us what she's made up to go

2404
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 2: back to the drawing board and she do it again

2405
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 2: at thirty six. It's a big question. I mean, it's

2406
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:55,880
Speaker 2: hard to bet against that.

2407
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: But with that, I would say one of the most

2408
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: baller things you can do is what Kator did and

2409
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: we thought be able to, is to lose a title

2410
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 1: and then get it back. That is fucking hard to do,

2411
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 1: especially with how much time has he lapsed between these things.

2412
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,640
Speaker 2: Ali and Holyfield ship when you're boxing's.

2413
01:43:09,560 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 1: She's probably already going to go into the UFC Hall

2414
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 1: of Fame. But boy, that would put the stamp on

2415
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 1: that one very quickly. If if ever there was any

2416
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: doubt about it.

2417
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,679
Speaker 2: Where are you leaning this fight? What is your gut

2418
01:43:19,720 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 2: telling you we're not doing okay? Bet, you don't have

2419
01:43:21,720 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 2: to go to a dead concert, although i'd like, you know,

2420
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:26,559
Speaker 2: if we went to Otel and Friends together.

2421
01:43:26,600 --> 01:43:29,080
Speaker 1: And I wonder if I mean gun to my head

2422
01:43:29,200 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: like I think it's I'm sure the odds are very

2423
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:36,519
Speaker 1: close into my head. Maybe Shiftchenko, I don't know.

2424
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,320
Speaker 2: The youth part of it, and the fact that we

2425
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:38,519
Speaker 2: waited a year that does.

2426
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: That hurts, That hurts a lot.

2427
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 2: He's going to like some uncharted ground in some ways

2428
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 2: of what's going to be demanded of her, because think

2429
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 2: about it, newness can in Cyborg as well. With having

2430
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 2: that power, you can last longer at the highest elite

2431
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 2: level before we sort of realize that it's caught up

2432
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 2: to you. Shift Tenko's got to be on point again

2433
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 2: in this, and we're adding the wrinkle that she's looking

2434
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:00,679
Speaker 2: to do more damage and looking to leave no doubt

2435
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 2: on those cards. We're asking a lot of her, but

2436
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 2: that is what the great ones do. Dude. This fight rules,

2437
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 2: man rules, and I don't like when people are when

2438
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 2: they have shot on this sphere card. For again, there's

2439
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 2: a bunch of reasons that that and a lot of

2440
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 2: them justified. I don't like that they've made any slander

2441
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: against these fights that are on the top too, or

2442
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:19,679
Speaker 2: some people I've heard said a fight we don't need,

2443
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:20,639
Speaker 2: how would we not need?

2444
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 1: In fairness, you've seen it twice.

2445
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 2: True, but it's it's you know, it's there was a

2446
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,120
Speaker 2: cliffhanger last time.

2447
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,080
Speaker 1: It's no Rob Whitaker. John Jones, Okay, that's really really

2448
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: what do you need to go back to it very quickly.

2449
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:34,960
Speaker 1: We'll get it to it and here as well, Long Island, Luke,

2450
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,759
Speaker 1: give me your expectation for Diego Lopez, Brian Ortega.

2451
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 5: I'm riding with Diego.

2452
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 6: I don't know how it's going to go down, but

2453
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 6: I'm taking Diego in a parlay.

2454
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 1: You see so many people are like, oh, they've got

2455
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,880
Speaker 1: similar games because they're both good at jiu jitsum, Like

2456
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: they do not have similar games. Brian Ortega can be

2457
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: baited into the kind of game that Diego plays. But

2458
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Diego is just all offense all the time. Yes, if

2459
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:58,840
Speaker 1: you go back to the Korean zombie fight, to me,

2460
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,679
Speaker 1: Brian Ortega, is that's more methodical in that fight? Yeah?

2461
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: Can he can he jump on a submission very quickly. Yes,

2462
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 1: of course he can do that. In that sense, there's

2463
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: some similarities, but the overall games are actually kind of different.

2464
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: Which one's gonna win out more methodical or just fucking

2465
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: two cats in a back crazy diegle I.

2466
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:17,360
Speaker 2: Think you have to tie into that question, is you know,

2467
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:19,640
Speaker 2: like their recent history and that Diego Lopez is on

2468
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 2: fire right now and screaming that he's you know, ready

2469
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:24,719
Speaker 2: to break into the title picture and makes some big noise,

2470
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 2: and you know, Ortega has retained a very high ranking,

2471
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,519
Speaker 2: you know, even if you can argue whether he's deserved

2472
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:33,040
Speaker 2: it being injured and inactive. But Luke or Tega is

2473
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 2: that wildcard fighter. He's that mercurial almost Rosenami Unis type

2474
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:39,640
Speaker 2: where you know, he's always right around the corner from

2475
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:43,840
Speaker 2: another monster performance. Was it what we saw when he

2476
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 2: got yeah yea, Luke, was that him pouring out the

2477
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 2: jug the last time and getting one super elite win

2478
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 2: or does he have the ability to do that again?

2479
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 2: If he does, this is a very interesting fight. But Luke,

2480
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:58,880
Speaker 2: it doesn't always come down with Ortega of if we're

2481
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 2: going to see any sense of head movement or defense.

2482
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: If we're not and we know that right away, you

2483
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: can't keep banging, banking on the idea that you know

2484
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 2: you can get rocked, but you can turn it into

2485
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 2: a war and then you come out with a submission

2486
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: out of nowhere and win it when when everyone thought

2487
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 2: you were gonna lose, Like that can't be the formula

2488
01:46:15,400 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 2: to victory, especially not against a guy a dog like this.

2489
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,719
Speaker 2: Will we see wrinkles added to the ortake a game

2490
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 2: evolution or is this just the.

2491
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: Quest times question? Is due? Is gonna let him? Is

2492
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: Diego Lopez gonna let him? Diego Lopez do it? Remember, like,

2493
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,400
Speaker 1: for example, the sadik Usa fight where he just brings

2494
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,879
Speaker 1: his hands down in the clinch and then Diego Lopez

2495
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 1: sees it, jumps on it like instinctually cracks him and

2496
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: then it's a wrap. The guy's muscle memory offense is

2497
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:46,680
Speaker 1: next level. How many guys people can like strategically think

2498
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: their way through things. And I'm not saying he doesn't

2499
01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 1: do that either, but I'm saying, look at how much

2500
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: muscle memory offense Diego Lopez has in so many different areas.

2501
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,160
Speaker 1: That's a fucking hard guy to prepare well.

2502
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:01,679
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. On top of that, if you're

2503
01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 2: not coming in with the right mindset, game plan wise,

2504
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 2: especially defensively against a guy like this, then this could

2505
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 2: be a really bad night for Tega. But we asked

2506
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 2: the same question. I asked the same question every single time,

2507
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 2: and it usually centers around that. But Luke, wouldn't you

2508
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 2: say that this is a Vibes type fighter, a guy

2509
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,680
Speaker 2: that you know goes high or low, over achieves or

2510
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 2: underachieves kind of what's going on with mirroring what's in

2511
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 2: his life. And he told us when we had him

2512
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 2: on this Morning Combat when this fight was announced that,

2513
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: like his fight, his life has been constant chaos and

2514
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 2: you can kind of see that in his performances and

2515
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:36,040
Speaker 2: you can see sometimes where he could be great. He

2516
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 2: does seem happy right now and seems to, at least

2517
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,960
Speaker 2: what he's saying in interviews, have his stuff together family wise,

2518
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 2: his kids has access to them. He seems to be

2519
01:47:44,280 --> 01:47:45,840
Speaker 2: in a very good spot if it was ever going

2520
01:47:45,920 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 2: to happen. Now is the time, coming off the momentum

2521
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:51,799
Speaker 2: of the iyear when despite constantly slowing down his momentum

2522
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:54,320
Speaker 2: with injuries, But this would be the time for him

2523
01:47:54,360 --> 01:47:56,320
Speaker 2: to put it all together for one more big run.

2524
01:47:57,320 --> 01:47:59,960
Speaker 2: So such a while, it's hard, Luke, long on the

2525
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,000
Speaker 2: you look at it from a betting standpoint on your

2526
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:05,000
Speaker 2: main card minute one, what do you think about the

2527
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,840
Speaker 2: like like the the stock of Byron Ortega in a

2528
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:09,080
Speaker 2: betting sense entering this fight?

2529
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,719
Speaker 6: Oh, there's definitely value on Ortega, especially like the Ortega

2530
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,640
Speaker 6: by subprop There's there's definitely value. I just there's so

2531
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 6: many ways this fight could go. I actually see it

2532
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 6: going the distance. I think Diego's a decision. That's that's

2533
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,360
Speaker 6: my guess this shall produce.

2534
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Luke, do you certain.

2535
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 2: Possible you think Ortega can hold it together and get

2536
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 2: this done? Or does it have to be on a

2537
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 2: crazy fight that ends in submission and he steals?

2538
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: Can he follow like a move Sar game plan to

2539
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:34,879
Speaker 1: just kind of hold and contain? I have my doubts.

2540
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:40,680
Speaker 1: I have my doubts, but I think you know who could.

2541
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 2: I was going to ask Max some very important questions

2542
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:45,799
Speaker 2: about that fight, Luke, I feel very disfect.

2543
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's not going to be here unforeseen circumstances. Yeah,

2544
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet you know that's just like not

2545
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 1: in any way.

2546
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 2: True, dude, you're speaking to trauma from the past. You

2547
01:48:54,160 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on.

2548
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:56,320
Speaker 1: Really, would you like to bet?

2549
01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 2: I would okay, bet okay, bet okay, Okay, that's bet okay.

2550
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 2: But I'm not touching your palm on camera.

2551
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:03,919
Speaker 1: But I don't know why you touch my staff.

2552
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:07,839
Speaker 2: My dog would just be like just paint brushure.

2553
01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:09,600
Speaker 1: Barbius comes up all the time and I have to

2554
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:10,280
Speaker 1: swat them away.

2555
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 2: Let me get some of the I'm trying to lick

2556
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:13,000
Speaker 2: on that disease.

2557
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, chill the funk out, barbs. The rest

2558
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:21,880
Speaker 1: of the card, I will say, say nubs I. Part

2559
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,000
Speaker 1: of the thing that makes the sphere work for this

2560
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:28,640
Speaker 1: particular card is you have to have a unifying theme artistically,

2561
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:30,920
Speaker 1: so having all the Mexican fighters on there makes sense

2562
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:32,600
Speaker 1: for that purpose. I realize that the main event doesn't have

2563
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: any but I'm just pointing out the rest of the card.

2564
01:49:35,960 --> 01:49:37,639
Speaker 1: But it also means you're making some trade offs because

2565
01:49:37,640 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: you're not necessarily getting the best fighters in every case.

2566
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: The there are a couple of other gems down there.

2567
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: We've talked about. You know, Rosas Junior is going to

2568
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: be in the card. He has been qua a gee.

2569
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:49,599
Speaker 1: You can never see her name, A guy for gringos,

2570
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:52,320
Speaker 1: horror guy for gringos. She'll be on the card as well.

2571
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 2: Hey, ode Osborne's on the biggest pay per viewmaker one.

2572
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 1: When the folks complain that one is indefensible, like what

2573
01:49:59,200 --> 01:49:59,960
Speaker 1: are we doing there?

2574
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 6: That they're trying to hype up lazy boy and he's

2575
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 6: going to finish show day And.

2576
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I know, but on the fucking main card. I mean,

2577
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 1: I won't push back on the complaint even a little

2578
01:50:09,439 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: like that one is fully justified.

2579
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,519
Speaker 2: Probably could have put this Speedback Tybora trilogy on there.

2580
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 2: I know it would have said anything.

2581
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:19,200
Speaker 1: All right, b C. With that in mind, let's talk

2582
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:22,519
Speaker 1: about topic number five, which is your favorite. Let's talk

2583
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 1: about Canelo big Red is back. He is taking on

2584
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:28,280
Speaker 1: Edgar Blanga and quite literally a fight that not a

2585
01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 1: single person on earth asked for. So let me ask

2586
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 1: you this question. Just because no one asked for it

2587
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: doesn't mean folks won't have a good time. Sure, I

2588
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:38,640
Speaker 1: have learned that about boxing. Sometimes boxing fans are like,

2589
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,800
Speaker 1: all right, I wanted a you gave me D bucket.

2590
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 2: I'll take it, but will will a destroying D be

2591
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: entertaining and.

2592
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 1: Worth my time, potentially potentially give me the boxing fans

2593
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:49,240
Speaker 1: temperature in this fight.

2594
01:50:51,400 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 2: It's still like a boxing holiday, right, I mean, single

2595
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 2: to MYO in May and September's Mexican Independence Day. I

2596
01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:58,799
Speaker 2: know people will argue that at least a sinkle DEMYO

2597
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 2: doesn't you know, isn't like this May Mexican holiday on

2598
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 2: like a historical level and connection. It's more of just

2599
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 2: an American drinking holiday. But these are our boxing holidays.

2600
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 2: We want to see our superstars in there. So just

2601
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:13,080
Speaker 2: getting Canelo back, uh, it's good. And but you know,

2602
01:51:13,160 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 2: are people buying into the Mexico versus Puerto Rican element

2603
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:18,519
Speaker 2: of this? I don't know. You can argue that did

2604
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 2: they want Benevitez or Morell, Yes, and they had a

2605
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 2: right to. But Canelo is calling the shots and this

2606
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 2: is the fight for what it is. So now we've

2607
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:26,960
Speaker 2: got to ask ourselves what do we have here? But

2608
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 2: this entertain us look has Berlanga Edgar Berlanga, despite an

2609
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:35,719
Speaker 2: unbeaten record, has he beaten the sort of requisite guys

2610
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 2: that would show you enough to know exactly who he

2611
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 2: is and the chances he has in here? I think

2612
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 2: the question of that. The answer is no, but that

2613
01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 2: does leave a little bit of a mystery loop. So

2614
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 2: what is that mystery? I will say that for what

2615
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,240
Speaker 2: it's worth. I do like the way Berlanga has behaved

2616
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 2: in the build to this fight. He's been willing to

2617
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 2: trash talk. He's been standing his ground against you know,

2618
01:51:57,439 --> 01:51:59,320
Speaker 2: the attitude of a lot of people and the experts,

2619
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 2: which is, you don't belong in this fight. Canelo just

2620
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 2: picked you right, That's why we're here. But Luke, he

2621
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 2: also has knockout power. I do believe his growth was

2622
01:52:08,439 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 2: somewhat stunted by that first round sixteen fight knockout streak

2623
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:17,560
Speaker 2: to start his career. But how much is the combination

2624
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,840
Speaker 2: of balls, youth and power going to be? One of

2625
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 2: these days we're gonna see Canelo show more of those

2626
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 2: signs of slowing down. Is this a fight that Berlanga

2627
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,559
Speaker 2: can come in, be hot blooded, know that no one's

2628
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 2: giving him a chance. And is there a path maybe

2629
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,360
Speaker 2: not to victory in your eyes, Luke, but a path

2630
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 2: or to respect, to establish his name and to maybe

2631
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:46,400
Speaker 2: throw some hands and make this a fun war. What

2632
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 2: is that potential to you? The boxing fans are saying, look,

2633
01:52:49,400 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 2: we're happy to see Canelo back. We're gonna tune in

2634
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 2: and watch this is our one of our holidays, one

2635
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 2: of our majors. Let's see what this kid's ball's equal

2636
01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 2: to on fight night.

2637
01:52:57,240 --> 01:52:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't buy any of this bullshit. I think

2638
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: this is fight is a gigantic waste of everyone's time. Uh,

2639
01:53:02,360 --> 01:53:04,720
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's gonna be competitive. I will

2640
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: say it could be fun. I do think it could

2641
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 1: be fun because I think Canelo's gonna whoop up on him.

2642
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Edgar Berloga is going to leave a gazillion openings and

2643
01:53:14,200 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: Canelo might take his time a little bit early. And

2644
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:18,519
Speaker 1: I think berlong is probably gonna come out and try

2645
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: and like, I'm gonna teach him a lesson. I'm gonna

2646
01:53:20,280 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 1: really take the fight to a fight like the bigger man.

2647
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 1: You got to lean on him. You gotta play dirty

2648
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: for sure. And I don't think laying back is gonna

2649
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 1: do him any any good. Like you. I mean, if

2650
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: you're Burlonga, what's your best hope? Take the fight to

2651
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,160
Speaker 1: him and just see what happens. That's the best you

2652
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 1: can do. Because just waiting I'm gonna win rounds late, like, okay,

2653
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: you're not. But I just I just think it's totally

2654
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:42,439
Speaker 1: unrealistic to get a bunch of acclaim from the boxing

2655
01:53:42,479 --> 01:53:45,200
Speaker 1: community from this. I think it's totally unrealistic. He's gonna

2656
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:47,479
Speaker 1: come out and say things like or do things that

2657
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 1: will impress us. He might win a round or two early,

2658
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 1: that's not out of the Roman possibility. But I don't

2659
01:53:54,600 --> 01:53:56,759
Speaker 1: think he makes it to round ten. I would be shocked.

2660
01:53:56,840 --> 01:53:58,519
Speaker 2: I would be I would be surprised if he did.

2661
01:53:58,600 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 2: I want to see though, what Berlanga can do with

2662
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,920
Speaker 2: the pressure on him. Is this just your pay day

2663
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,160
Speaker 2: and you're then gonna go, you know, have a Javis

2664
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:07,920
Speaker 2: Junior like decline and out of contention from this or

2665
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 2: is this your moment? Or is this your moment where

2666
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 2: win or lose? And the odds are saying lose. But

2667
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 2: at least you're gonna come out and show yourself. We're

2668
01:54:16,120 --> 01:54:17,760
Speaker 2: gonna have to see him under fire here. We're gonna

2669
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 2: have to see how quickly he can calibrate and calculate

2670
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,880
Speaker 2: and make adjustments here. You know, Canelo by knockout in

2671
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 2: the middle rounds does feel like what my heart could

2672
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 2: be telling me.

2673
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 3: I me.

2674
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:28,719
Speaker 2: I almost feel like this could be a James Kirkland

2675
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:31,400
Speaker 2: fight all over again in that sense where Kirkland brought danger.

2676
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 2: Canelo will say, would they ask you know whenever and asked,

2677
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 2: who's the guy that punched the artist in your career?

2678
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:37,280
Speaker 2: He didn't take a loove cun he says Kirklin. By

2679
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 2: the way, maybe Berlanga can come out there and touch

2680
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,360
Speaker 2: him a little bit and make it a little bit fun.

2681
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: I have a question for you about Berlonga. Tell me

2682
01:54:45,240 --> 01:54:46,000
Speaker 1: his best win.

2683
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can argue that the fight

2684
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 2: he won before this against Patrick McCrory, but you know,

2685
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 2: I know that that's that's that's the thing. We knew

2686
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 2: that eventually through you know, he would need to evolve faster,

2687
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 2: but that he could get to this point and have

2688
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:06,080
Speaker 2: the big name in the glossy record in Fat Joe

2689
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:08,040
Speaker 2: in the corner and and get to this fight. I

2690
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 2: just think this fight came very quickly for him because

2691
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,840
Speaker 2: it the opening was there for Canelo to want it.

2692
01:55:13,440 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have to find out how quickly, you know,

2693
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 2: is he gonna be is gonna be better in this

2694
01:55:18,360 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 2: fight than we've seen him against the other levels of competition.

2695
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:21,840
Speaker 2: I think he will. I think this is obviously the

2696
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 2: biggest fight his career. He's gonna have to raise every

2697
01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:25,880
Speaker 2: aspect of his game, and I think he will, because Luke,

2698
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 2: you don't do what he did to come out as

2699
01:55:27,960 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: a prospect. You know, if you if you're awful. I

2700
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,160
Speaker 2: just think he has had a identity crisis and tough

2701
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 2: transition from this knockout puncher to suddenly this guy. When

2702
01:55:36,360 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 2: you step up that level competition, you've got to box

2703
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 2: more rounds to figure all that out. But no, if

2704
01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 2: you want to go point by point on the resume,

2705
01:55:43,480 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 2: you're not going to talk yourself into into this being uh,

2706
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,120
Speaker 2: you know for Canelo.

2707
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Let me pull the pro Boxing dot Com odds here.

2708
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 2: Interesting pay per view undercard. By the way, jesus, what

2709
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:57,520
Speaker 2: do you got?

2710
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:01,480
Speaker 1: Our friends at DraftKings have tol Alvarez as a minus

2711
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 1: eighteen hundred favorite, Edgar Berlanga plus one thousand. Holy smokes.

2712
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,000
Speaker 2: He do you think Berlina will overperform those odds?

2713
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:15,800
Speaker 1: No, I don't think there's hardly. I mean, I stranger

2714
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,480
Speaker 1: things have happened, But I just want to point this out.

2715
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 1: UFC three to zero six, right, So, that's the obviously

2716
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 1: the competing card across town, that main event minus one

2717
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:27,440
Speaker 1: forty two for Sean O'Malley plus one twenty for morob

2718
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 1: Just consider the competitive differences.

2719
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,840
Speaker 2: Sure, there's no question about that Danny Garcia in the

2720
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,320
Speaker 2: middleweight title fight in the Comina of.

2721
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,520
Speaker 1: I guess Arislondi, Laura, I don't quite get that one

2722
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of you know, what's the story between those two, Like,

2723
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 1: are not not the rivalry, but how did they end

2724
01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: up here together?

2725
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,760
Speaker 2: Laura, who you know, made his career as being one

2726
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:45,920
Speaker 2: of the best junior middleweights throughout that long stretch, really

2727
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,160
Speaker 2: only losing at his peak to Canelo until the end

2728
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:51,040
Speaker 2: when controversially when he was yeah, controversially and then in

2729
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 2: the end when he was in those action fights against

2730
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, Jared Hurd, and it was in the fight

2731
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 2: of the year, that great draw with Castano. Lara still

2732
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 2: got it to a certain agree because he's leaning into

2733
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,080
Speaker 2: his punch and he's had to since moving up to middleweight.

2734
01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:04,000
Speaker 2: But he moved up to middleweight one sort of a

2735
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:07,040
Speaker 2: secondary title and then when somebody got stripped, he sort

2736
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:09,320
Speaker 2: of just got elevated to the full title ship. He

2737
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:11,800
Speaker 2: hasn't been fighting sort of elite middleweights though, and this

2738
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 2: is a fight they tried to put together for a while,

2739
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:16,600
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia moving up to one more weight division, trying

2740
01:57:16,640 --> 01:57:20,240
Speaker 2: to become a title holder in a third weight class,

2741
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 2: and he I was talked to him from my personal channel, Luke.

2742
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia and I have an interview this week, and

2743
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,080
Speaker 2: he was saying, you know, thirty six now, he wasn't

2744
01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 2: even sure in the last two years if he was

2745
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 2: gonna stay active and stay fighting. He had been in

2746
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 2: camp because this fight was talked about a couple of times,

2747
01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:35,760
Speaker 2: but it never the trigger never got pulled. It's kind

2748
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 2: of weird that they're both known for what they've done

2749
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 2: at one p fifty four in Danny Garcia's case, forty

2750
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 2: and forty seven, and now they're meeting at middleweight. But also,

2751
01:57:42,720 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 2: like I said, Laura hasn't been fighting elite competition lately,

2752
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:47,840
Speaker 2: so this is actually a competitive, interesting fight to see,

2753
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,760
Speaker 2: and it would be a feather in Danny Garcia's cap

2754
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 2: to add another title in that division. But I think

2755
01:57:52,680 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 2: some of those other earlier pay per view main card

2756
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 2: fights maybe not in a competition space, but on a

2757
01:57:57,360 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 2: let's check in with them. I do want to see

2758
01:57:59,160 --> 01:58:01,360
Speaker 2: Caleb Plant coming back in his first fight since the

2759
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 2: loss to David Benavitez eighteen month, the longest.

2760
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,160
Speaker 1: Lay off of his career fighting a MAGA avatar.

2761
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:09,200
Speaker 2: Was fighting Trevor mccombey. He's on mccomby, who's unbeaten, big

2762
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:11,400
Speaker 2: Trump guy and has been talking a lot of ship.

2763
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 1: Literally his personality is, I'm a Trump guy. He's like,

2764
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: he's like Colby's a little less.

2765
01:58:15,200 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 2: Abrasive, but like country bumpkin Colby.

2766
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:18,200
Speaker 1: H Yeah, that's right, that's right.

2767
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 2: He's talking a big game. It's kind of an interesting fight.

2768
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:24,560
Speaker 1: And I talked and by the way, he questioned, uh,

2769
01:58:24,880 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: Plant like, oh, he's a quitter, Like he quits on that.

2770
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,000
Speaker 2: This plan off, I'm I think he's trying to get

2771
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,680
Speaker 2: Plant to be coming and be offensive and fight with

2772
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 2: him rather than box, because I think if Plant box,

2773
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 2: he could pick him apart. And I talked to Plant

2774
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: and he's willing to fight him. So this is interesting

2775
01:58:37,240 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 2: and Plant has Plant thinks he can get himself back

2776
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:41,560
Speaker 2: in the arena of a Canalo rematch.

2777
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it seems a little ambitious, but I was.

2778
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:49,000
Speaker 2: Related to that. If Canelo beats Berlanga, like the odds

2779
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 2: and our predictions tell you probably what we'll find out

2780
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:56,360
Speaker 2: what happened Saturday night. Uh. We want him to call

2781
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 2: out Benavidez or morel Given or even Crawford.

2782
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:00,160
Speaker 1: I've given up.

2783
01:59:01,960 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 2: If he doesn't call I mean, he doesn't have to

2784
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 2: call somebody out. I can just say, you know, you

2785
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:05,640
Speaker 2: can say.

2786
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't care, I'll fight any about it. That's what

2787
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:08,040
Speaker 1: he always says.

2788
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,080
Speaker 2: Is there a fight that we're not thinking about that

2789
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 2: he can go after? That would slow down the Canelos

2790
01:59:13,800 --> 01:59:16,840
Speaker 2: entering this transitional period of ducking these guys. Is there

2791
01:59:16,840 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 2: anyone else? I mean, I'm trying to think, like I.

2792
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,120
Speaker 1: Don't know who that would be. But I'm just gonna

2793
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 1: tell you this. I'm not declaring to you he won't

2794
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 1: fight any of those guys, in particular Crawford. You know,

2795
01:59:24,240 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 1: I know he's kind of wishy washy about it. I'm

2796
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 1: not I'm not stating it's never going to happen. That's

2797
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,160
Speaker 1: not mine only fight Crawford wants. By the way, I understand,

2798
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:32,560
Speaker 1: I talked to bow Mac. He was like, it's that

2799
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: or nothing. You know what I asked about t you

2800
01:59:34,880 --> 01:59:36,680
Speaker 1: of humor He's like, man, I don't care about that, dude.

2801
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 2: Uh.

2802
01:59:39,280 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 1: I have given up hope waiting. So I'm not declaring

2803
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: that Canelo won't fight them or won't call them out.

2804
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:47,560
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm saying. But I'm no longer waiting

2805
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:50,840
Speaker 1: around for it. If it happens, I'm surprised. I can't wait.

2806
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: I just don't know what he's going to go out.

2807
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 2: If he doesn't, I would hope that. I mean, would

2808
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:56,120
Speaker 2: you be would you be all right? If he was like,

2809
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:57,880
Speaker 2: all right, you guys want the Crawford, Let's do the

2810
01:59:57,960 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 2: dam Crawford.

2811
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:00,640
Speaker 1: I would love that. I would love. I would be.

2812
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,400
Speaker 1: I would again. He's a Hall of Famer. He's been

2813
02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 1: very generous with you and me. Yeah, I love Canelo.

2814
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:08,080
Speaker 1: I hate this fight, but I love Canelo. If he

2815
02:00:08,120 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: came out and said I wanted to fight Crawford, I

2816
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: would be about it. About it all right?

2817
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what else is on that paper

2818
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,240
Speaker 2: youw onder card. By the way, Roly Romero my guy

2819
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 2: going in against Manuel Hyamis. It's gonna be Roly's first

2820
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:20,400
Speaker 2: still the main car. Yeah, first fight since getting stopped

2821
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 2: by pipul cruise. Do not miss my interview with ROLLI

2822
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:25,960
Speaker 2: that goes today and the Brian Campbell Experience YouTube channels.

2823
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:27,680
Speaker 2: You're not gonna want to miss that at all. Also,

2824
02:00:27,960 --> 02:00:30,840
Speaker 2: cool boy Steps He's in Stephen Fulton Junior, first fight

2825
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,840
Speaker 2: since losing to n o A. He's back in the

2826
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 2: main prelim before the pay per view card, which it

2827
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,960
Speaker 2: was a little bit better too, he was, and so

2828
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,840
Speaker 2: that's going to be interesting to see. I will be

2829
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 2: on the ground of course in Las Vegas covering this

2830
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Fubby part of the way in on Friday, press conference

2831
02:00:45,560 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, and I believe undercard press conference interviews on Thursday.

2832
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:52,680
Speaker 2: So check out on uh All the Smoke Fight, BBC's

2833
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 2: social channels All the Smoke Fight, and and my own,

2834
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,840
Speaker 2: my own personal channel with Brian Campbell Experience for full

2835
02:00:58,880 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 2: coverage of what's going on. There should be fun. I'm

2836
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:03,720
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. I mean, it's gonna be ill

2837
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:04,120
Speaker 2: to see.

2838
02:01:04,160 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 1: You're boring my playbook now, I didn't.

2839
02:01:06,280 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I am. I didn't want to be

2840
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,760
Speaker 2: just another YouTuber, Luke, but you know, you made some

2841
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 2: good points, you did you You Luke played a big

2842
02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 2: role as well, and uh saying you know what, mother, Mother,

2843
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 2: effort only be good for you to stop delivering pizzas

2844
02:01:18,760 --> 02:01:21,120
Speaker 2: when you're when you're bored and uh, and give the

2845
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:23,440
Speaker 2: people what they want. And you know, I look, maybe

2846
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,440
Speaker 2: this becomes in the long term some income stream or whatever,

2847
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,080
Speaker 2: but I'm doing it for for uh.

2848
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:30,400
Speaker 1: Just get some good content and see what happens. That's all.

2849
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,000
Speaker 2: You can make some connection. Eventually, have an outlet to

2850
02:01:33,040 --> 02:01:35,120
Speaker 2: show my nudes, you know, or something, well, you know,

2851
02:01:35,120 --> 02:01:35,520
Speaker 2: for money.

2852
02:01:35,560 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 6: We'll see what happens with all right, the link is

2853
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Speaker 6: in the chat right now, So everyone goes sub to

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2855
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Speaker 1: There you go that you've never done that for my channel,

2856
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Speaker 1: But that's okay, we can do it for yours. I

2857
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Speaker 1: don't need it. I don't need the help. I'm good,

2858
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Speaker 1: all right with that in mind. BC. We don't have

2859
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Speaker 1: Max Holloway, but we do have each other. We've got

2860
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:54,600
Speaker 1: the viewers, we've got the listeners. We've also got some feces.

2861
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Speaker 1: Do we not hold on?

2862
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:56,800
Speaker 2: Don't we have to read something first?

2863
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Speaker 3: Oh?

2864
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:57,560
Speaker 1: Yes we do.

2865
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Speaker 2: I just can't. I just can't find Yeah, give me.

2866
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Speaker 1: This I can hear.

2867
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Speaker 2: Just a big fail.

2868
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean this is really a very professional show.

2869
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Speaker 2: I got it now.

2870
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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, I got it, BC. Yeah.

2871
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Speaker 1: Dating on your phone, Yeah, it'd be easier.

2872
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Speaker 2: If we had that opportunity back.

2873
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Speaker 3: In the day.

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Speaker 1: All right, with that in mind, BC.

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Speaker 2: Back pocket sounds like me in a high school class

2894
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Speaker 2: and full out chicks, you know what I mean? Yeah,

2895
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 2: all right, all right, hey, I scoured the globe on

2896
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Speaker 2: Sunday for the his and those, the good, the bad,

2897
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Speaker 2: the ugly, between getting canceled and beyond. This one's called

2898
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Speaker 2: have you seen this sheet? Well, we can't give you

2899
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Speaker 2: Max Holloway to close this show, but I can give

2900
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:43,440
Speaker 2: you a lot of bullshit. And let's go on our

2901
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,440
Speaker 2: weekend mm A recap to kick it off in the

2902
02:03:45,440 --> 02:03:49,160
Speaker 2: Apex Luca the UFC Gabriel Santos, how about this front

2903
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:53,800
Speaker 2: kick to ye Zai right up the middle.

2904
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:56,240
Speaker 1: Let's see off the stand switcher. No, let's see, yes

2905
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,840
Speaker 1: right there, boom boves over bop catches and better ran.

2906
02:04:00,000 --> 02:04:02,400
Speaker 2: What are you getting it? By Machetah or the original

2907
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 2: big time UFC one with Silva and belfour.

2908
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:07,120
Speaker 1: That was the silver Belfoer one was good, However, the

2909
02:04:07,160 --> 02:04:09,720
Speaker 1: Machidah one retired Catre so that one's pretty big.

2910
02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:11,839
Speaker 2: Didn't we see some good ones like that recently?

2911
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:19,400
Speaker 1: M who got a bit exact one that was a one. Yeah, well, Luke.

2912
02:04:19,960 --> 02:04:23,240
Speaker 2: Matt Schnell before losing and retiring to Cody Dernan was

2913
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:26,800
Speaker 2: putting it on drdan watch drden get the sub and

2914
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 2: then get hyped up.

2915
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, double hand tap. That means it's bad.

2916
02:04:30,800 --> 02:04:34,440
Speaker 2: Four days notice, is what he's screamingunching the fence.

2917
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for him. It was ugh. I mean that

2918
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,280
Speaker 1: was a tough win. It's a tough win.

2919
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:40,560
Speaker 2: Good to see that, dude. That guy works hard.

2920
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,760
Speaker 1: Man. Ninja choke, Yeah, it's a tough one. They called

2921
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,840
Speaker 1: that a power guillotine when I came up, but now

2922
02:04:45,880 --> 02:04:46,800
Speaker 1: they called it a ninja choke.

2923
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:49,600
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's stay in the UFC. How about Flyway

2924
02:04:49,720 --> 02:04:53,000
Speaker 2: Chris Taco Padilla who won Long Island luke a ship

2925
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,080
Speaker 2: ton of money. You look at this nasty elbow.

2926
02:04:56,280 --> 02:05:00,200
Speaker 1: He even referenced Superlek in the postfight presser, which was

2927
02:05:00,240 --> 02:05:02,960
Speaker 1: a similar strike that super like through to Jonathan Haggerty. Yes,

2928
02:05:03,320 --> 02:05:08,080
Speaker 1: he destroyed this fucker's eye multiple orbital fractures, not just one.

2929
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:11,680
Speaker 2: That's wrong, wrong zoo. And he thought it was a poke.

2930
02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,640
Speaker 2: He kept pointing, yeah, like what they're like, can you see?

2931
02:05:14,640 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 1: Can you see?

2932
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:15,800
Speaker 2: Like, bitch?

2933
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:16,920
Speaker 1: You know he can't see.

2934
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 2: Please, the thing's close shut. Let's go over to PFLA

2935
02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:23,200
Speaker 2: tour in San Diago, Luke, That say translates directly to

2936
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 2: Wales vgime. This is usman nor Maga Medov's corner. Look

2937
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:30,040
Speaker 2: at Habie putting Umar in the in the cross face

2938
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 2: Ben was style.

2939
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:33,440
Speaker 1: Wow, they just take it in stride.

2940
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Habib was going second.

2941
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:38,280
Speaker 1: Let me just say, if you wanted to see Habib,

2942
02:05:38,480 --> 02:05:40,840
Speaker 1: you got a lot of you did get.

2943
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 2: Let's stay in Belatour. Here's Sumiko Inaba pointing out how

2944
02:05:45,240 --> 02:05:47,520
Speaker 2: lame the PFL rule set is compared to Bill Tour.

2945
02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:48,440
Speaker 5: Yes, for sure.

2946
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 4: You know my last fight, PFL were not allowed to

2947
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:53,480
Speaker 4: throw elbows, so that's kind of threw my game off.

2948
02:05:53,560 --> 02:05:57,160
Speaker 4: But elbows were all go for this one, so I

2949
02:05:57,200 --> 02:06:01,200
Speaker 4: took advantage and tried to land those elbows that on.

2950
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:03,040
Speaker 2: Bar right here against the fence. She got the big throw,

2951
02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:05,240
Speaker 2: went for the way to go now. But rule number

2952
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:07,040
Speaker 2: one for next year when we combine and everything we

2953
02:06:07,080 --> 02:06:09,200
Speaker 2: get rid of the playoffs in regular season, can we

2954
02:06:09,320 --> 02:06:10,240
Speaker 2: have elbows?

2955
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:14,280
Speaker 1: Belotor is not a better product, but they have better rules.

2956
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 2: I'll give you that. Also in Belatore, San Diego, Luke

2957
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:21,400
Speaker 2: former Strike Force and UFC heavyweight title challenger.

2958
02:06:21,080 --> 02:06:26,240
Speaker 1: Paul there Fear him fear the fucking go tee dude.

2959
02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:29,000
Speaker 2: How about a blue collar, brawling heavyweight who got to

2960
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,280
Speaker 2: the highest level in a shitty heavyweight era. You know

2961
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 2: he could bang Paul.

2962
02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,920
Speaker 1: You know I feel bad about I remember I watched

2963
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 1: his Rolotski fight live, and you know he got wrecked

2964
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:40,720
Speaker 1: with the one shot. But Paul Wintello beat a lot

2965
02:06:40,720 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: of musclebound dudes who looked a lot better with their

2966
02:06:43,120 --> 02:06:45,400
Speaker 1: shirt off than him. Yes, this old bastard is tough

2967
02:06:45,400 --> 02:06:46,040
Speaker 1: at shoeld.

2968
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:50,280
Speaker 2: I loved him in Cabbage Correa.

2969
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 1: Two absolute just dogs getting after it.

2970
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:58,400
Speaker 2: BKFC went to Salt Lake City. How about the hardest

2971
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 2: hitter at one forty five, Jeremy Stevens.

2972
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeahringing it powers the last thing to go. He might

2973
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:05,000
Speaker 1: be old, but that dude's always had big power. Remember

2974
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:06,960
Speaker 1: he wrecked RD eight and his debut and.

2975
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 2: Indeed, well, Luke, there's been a little bit of talk

2976
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:11,040
Speaker 2: about him fighting Connor. Connor is the one been talking

2977
02:07:11,040 --> 02:07:13,480
Speaker 2: about it. Let's hear Jeremy talk about it. Dah, you

2978
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:15,000
Speaker 2: guys are some great fucking fans.

2979
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:15,200
Speaker 6: Man.

2980
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,960
Speaker 8: Hey, David Felman said, this is gonna be a standpoint here.

2981
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 2: I would love to continue.

2982
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:22,240
Speaker 6: To fight here if fuck Connor McGregor, who would love to.

2983
02:07:22,200 --> 02:07:23,280
Speaker 1: Beat up their fucking boss.

2984
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 2: Baby, you gotta give him that. He's living the dream.

2985
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:30,600
Speaker 2: Now Connor's got two more UFC fights. Jake Paul went

2986
02:07:30,640 --> 02:07:32,840
Speaker 2: on a rent that that's the reason why we're not

2987
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:35,640
Speaker 2: seeing Connor fighters, because UFC's holding him for the next

2988
02:07:35,640 --> 02:07:40,320
Speaker 2: TV deal. Would you be excited if Connor got free?

2989
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:41,840
Speaker 2: I know this wouldn't be the first fight you'd pick

2990
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:43,920
Speaker 2: for Connor outside the UFC, but would you be excited

2991
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,440
Speaker 2: about those guys in a BKFC.

2992
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 1: I just find the notion of that, Like, would you

2993
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,880
Speaker 1: be cool if there was like, uh a million dollars

2994
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:54,760
Speaker 1: waiting for you at home and uh seventy five strippers

2995
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:56,880
Speaker 1: that go and lick your balls one by one? Yeah,

2996
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:58,800
Speaker 1: that sounds awesome. That's just not gonna happen with.

2997
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:00,800
Speaker 2: Craig Jones and Luke Rockol in Columbia.

2998
02:08:00,960 --> 02:08:04,680
Speaker 1: Yes, dude, he I we live very different lives.

2999
02:08:05,440 --> 02:08:09,640
Speaker 2: Yes, let's go to this BKFC fighter. When the fight

3000
02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 2: was over, Luke was too cuss to realize that, oh god,

3001
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:13,800
Speaker 2: he's going after that guy.

3002
02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:16,520
Speaker 1: Better fight that ref Oh my god, bro, if you're

3003
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:20,160
Speaker 1: a referee in BKFC. You better, you better have some hands, homie.

3004
02:08:21,080 --> 02:08:21,839
Speaker 2: Where's that referee?

3005
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:24,800
Speaker 1: We know Ricky something I don't know, but the other

3006
02:08:24,800 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 1: guy's got CT I can tell you that.

3007
02:08:26,320 --> 02:08:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wow, that's a dangerous situation here. Uh.

3008
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:32,840
Speaker 2: Let's you know those drinks that they're always lighting them

3009
02:08:32,880 --> 02:08:34,360
Speaker 2: on fire and trying to do like make it really

3010
02:08:34,440 --> 02:08:35,640
Speaker 2: funny cool. They gotta be careful.

3011
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't go to places like that anymore. Hi, quie, quiet,

3012
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:46,800
Speaker 1: que quie?

3013
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:47,920
Speaker 3: Quiet, quiet? Quiet? Quiet?

3014
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:48,440
Speaker 2: Why quiet?

3015
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:48,680
Speaker 3: Why?

3016
02:08:48,760 --> 02:08:49,000
Speaker 2: Quiet?

3017
02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:49,280
Speaker 6: Quiet?

3018
02:08:49,320 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 2: Quiet?

3019
02:08:49,640 --> 02:08:52,960
Speaker 1: Crack o, dumb fucking idiot?

3020
02:08:53,120 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 2: You love weird cocktails? Would you do the crack cocktail there?

3021
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 3: No?

3022
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't like. Why do I need a cocktail sit

3023
02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:57,960
Speaker 1: on fire?

3024
02:08:57,960 --> 02:08:58,160
Speaker 3: You know what?

3025
02:08:58,240 --> 02:09:00,880
Speaker 1: I want my cocktail to taste like? Delicious? That's what

3026
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,400
Speaker 1: I do? You like sweet? I like sweet? Yeah?

3027
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:06,080
Speaker 2: Do you like women's cocktails so much because you love women?

3028
02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:06,240
Speaker 3: No?

3029
02:09:06,240 --> 02:09:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't like women's cocktails as much as you think

3030
02:09:08,080 --> 02:09:10,360
Speaker 1: what I don't like. For example, here's what I don't like.

3031
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 1: Lo I look, where are you on this?

3032
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:12,920
Speaker 2: Where are you on cock No? No?

3033
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:13,040
Speaker 3: No?

3034
02:09:13,400 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 1: Would you rather have something that is sort of traditionally

3035
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:19,360
Speaker 1: somewhat sugary sweet or like a tart sweet where the

3036
02:09:19,360 --> 02:09:20,560
Speaker 1: sweet is like very mild.

3037
02:09:22,040 --> 02:09:24,600
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm a big like spicy margarita.

3038
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:29,200
Speaker 1: Guy, I don't.

3039
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:31,200
Speaker 2: We got to get to the end of this. Uh

3040
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:33,240
Speaker 2: have you seen this ship? Let's look you. Every time

3041
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:34,840
Speaker 2: I go to a concert, you're like, how many whites

3042
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:37,520
Speaker 2: were there? But so your credit, here's what whites look

3043
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:40,320
Speaker 2: like a concerts.

3044
02:09:40,320 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 1: This is BC's heaven. This is heaven for BC. I

3045
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:53,680
Speaker 1: gottaout saying I love montains and works. Yeah.

3046
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 2: The lights they get after it over there on the lawn.

3047
02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:57,080
Speaker 3: Wow.

3048
02:09:57,240 --> 02:09:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who could find these people repulsive?

3049
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:03,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, hud you ever try beatboxing? Yeah, here's

3050
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:04,800
Speaker 2: a tutorial on it.

3051
02:10:04,760 --> 02:10:08,080
Speaker 3: How to beat book.

3052
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:14,040
Speaker 1: We deserve for fighters to just leave us hanging on air.

3053
02:10:14,600 --> 02:10:15,240
Speaker 1: We deserve it.

3054
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,680
Speaker 2: People that did not grow up with Jerry Springer in

3055
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:19,560
Speaker 2: the nineteen nineties, I don't know. They don't know.

3056
02:10:20,920 --> 02:10:21,720
Speaker 6: Lady, can you.

3057
02:10:21,640 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 3: See out of those glasses? I can say you're fat?

3058
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:32,400
Speaker 2: I now it eventually jumped the shark for sure, But

3059
02:10:32,520 --> 02:10:35,480
Speaker 2: like prime Springer after school in the nineties.

3060
02:10:35,160 --> 02:10:36,240
Speaker 1: That was early BKFC.

3061
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:39,600
Speaker 2: It was just people roasting each other constantly.

3062
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:41,880
Speaker 1: It was early era BKFC. You get the presser in

3063
02:10:41,920 --> 02:10:42,640
Speaker 1: the fight all wrong.

3064
02:10:43,080 --> 02:10:45,560
Speaker 2: The crowd work was brilliant, so good.

3065
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:47,280
Speaker 1: All right, I can't see shit on this monitor. You

3066
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:48,040
Speaker 1: gotta put it on this one.

3067
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:50,000
Speaker 2: Would you ever play who with Dukes?

3068
02:10:50,320 --> 02:10:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like reverse?

3069
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:53,880
Speaker 2: The worst thing? Everyone? People drop a draw four on

3070
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:54,240
Speaker 2: your ass.

3071
02:10:56,280 --> 02:10:56,760
Speaker 4: Draw four.

3072
02:10:58,840 --> 02:11:02,040
Speaker 1: She doesn't know that. I know that I have a gun.

3073
02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:08,120
Speaker 1: I gotta do that. When I go to Columbia, they play,

3074
02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:10,640
Speaker 1: they play, you know down there, very aggressively.

3075
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:13,240
Speaker 2: Very aggressively. Edgar Burloga was on the What's That podcast

3076
02:11:13,320 --> 02:11:15,520
Speaker 2: with Mason Cameron. It is what it is, Yeah, it

3077
02:11:15,560 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 2: is what it is. Let's listen in.

3078
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 7: If you don't have the power to keep him respectful.

3079
02:11:19,880 --> 02:11:22,360
Speaker 7: We we both know boxing well enough to know that

3080
02:11:22,600 --> 02:11:26,440
Speaker 7: you can't keep somebody respectful, which stops them pause from

3081
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:27,520
Speaker 7: just running through you.

3082
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:31,280
Speaker 2: Super poor.

3083
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:35,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Right, it's

3084
02:11:35,400 --> 02:11:37,920
Speaker 1: a little it's a little much about the pause. We

3085
02:11:38,200 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 1: have adult conversations everyone.

3086
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm glad time out.

3087
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:48,920
Speaker 1: I like those guys. I like those guys, But I mean,

3088
02:11:48,920 --> 02:11:50,520
Speaker 1: how many are how old are we?

3089
02:11:50,760 --> 02:11:53,919
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I guess we'll go to the next stupid video.

3090
02:11:56,760 --> 02:11:58,800
Speaker 1: Oh no, man, I have a feeling this is gonna

3091
02:11:58,840 --> 02:11:59,200
Speaker 1: go bad.

3092
02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not this bitch. Yeah, Luke's okay with this.

3093
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:05,480
Speaker 3: Luke.

3094
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:06,960
Speaker 2: You ever see a fight in a home depot?

3095
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:09,680
Speaker 1: Almost got in one one time.

3096
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,960
Speaker 2: Oh wow, get busy in this burger king bathroom. Watch

3097
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:16,200
Speaker 2: the gentleman in the white get bumped routinely by the

3098
02:12:16,280 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 2: lady behind him.

3099
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to have words with this one.

3100
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:25,000
Speaker 2: Instead of words, he has actions, Luke, big actions.

3101
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:30,520
Speaker 1: Yo. What the fuck dude, what the fuck.

3102
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:33,280
Speaker 2: Have you seen that? Ish, Luke?

3103
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:35,080
Speaker 1: Dude, that's not a home depot.

3104
02:12:35,160 --> 02:12:39,240
Speaker 5: That's like, ah, that was like Costco or something.

3105
02:12:39,320 --> 02:12:41,280
Speaker 1: Dude, that's like two weeks in a row where you're like, hey,

3106
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:43,320
Speaker 1: check out this domestic violence episode.

3107
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:48,320
Speaker 2: I'm just my chicken bake. It's a double chunk chalk, Luke, cookie, Luke,

3108
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 2: Come on.

3109
02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:51,360
Speaker 1: Costco guys, we shoplift.

3110
02:12:51,880 --> 02:12:54,480
Speaker 2: Brian Ortega is coming back this weekend. Luke. And they say,

3111
02:12:54,480 --> 02:12:57,240
Speaker 2: if you watch a man dance, you can imagine him.

3112
02:12:57,960 --> 02:12:59,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, he gets after.

3113
02:12:59,080 --> 02:13:01,120
Speaker 1: It right, you know they they do stand close in

3114
02:13:02,160 --> 02:13:03,760
Speaker 1: dancing in Latin America. Yeah, we'll stand there.

3115
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:05,360
Speaker 2: What do you think about the Keith van Horn socks

3116
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,400
Speaker 2: on that with that look. He kind of pulls it off, right, I.

3117
02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:09,720
Speaker 1: Think it's all right, yeah, doing a little doing a

3118
02:13:09,720 --> 02:13:10,520
Speaker 1: little achy shuffle.

3119
02:13:10,680 --> 02:13:12,240
Speaker 2: I hope to be more like him when I grew up.

3120
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:13,640
Speaker 2: I got to be very honest with you.

3121
02:13:13,720 --> 02:13:15,200
Speaker 1: Listen, if he's in a good mood, we're gonna get

3122
02:13:15,200 --> 02:13:15,600
Speaker 1: a good fight.

3123
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,800
Speaker 2: Damn right, that's what I say about you ahead of

3124
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:19,720
Speaker 2: every show. Let's go to the haircut of.

3125
02:13:19,640 --> 02:13:23,360
Speaker 1: The week, Salvador, Dully.

3126
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:24,560
Speaker 2: That's amazing.

3127
02:13:24,680 --> 02:13:27,120
Speaker 1: That's art right there. That is actually fucking incredible.

3128
02:13:27,280 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so good, all right, Luke. People don't realize

3129
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,000
Speaker 2: that growing up in the early eighties, this is what

3130
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,640
Speaker 2: all of our meals were actually like, you know, because

3131
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:36,800
Speaker 2: dad was smoking a full back next to you at

3132
02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:37,800
Speaker 2: the breakfast table.

3133
02:13:37,960 --> 02:13:38,200
Speaker 3: Right.

3134
02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember the concept of like going to a

3135
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,600
Speaker 1: pizza hut, sitting down, oh yeah, and half the restaurant

3136
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:46,360
Speaker 1: being smoking, oh, and then the other half being not smoking,

3137
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:47,600
Speaker 1: and there's no partition between.

3138
02:13:47,760 --> 02:13:49,160
Speaker 2: And then your mom would get all men be like,

3139
02:13:49,160 --> 02:13:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to eat in the smoking So then

3140
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:52,360
Speaker 2: your dad'd be like, be awkward enough to get you

3141
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 2: to move you just so you can get hit with

3142
02:13:54,160 --> 02:13:56,480
Speaker 2: more smoke. Because there's no nothing. So those are the

3143
02:13:56,520 --> 02:13:59,560
Speaker 2: days unbelievable. All right, let's smoke him if you got them, Luke,

3144
02:13:59,600 --> 02:14:00,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a world record here,

3145
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 2: let's get Guinness. And what do you think about this

3146
02:14:03,400 --> 02:14:09,960
Speaker 2: guy's long bong? I mean, is this gratuitous or is

3147
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:11,320
Speaker 2: this a science experiment?

3148
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:13,640
Speaker 1: Going right by? Point?

3149
02:14:14,200 --> 02:14:19,680
Speaker 2: Am up all night, Luke, up all night?

3150
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly, let's see what the fuck I mean?

3151
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:25,240
Speaker 2: You get higher if you stand higher, Luke.

3152
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:27,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'd like to do closer.

3153
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 2: You get to the clouds. Yeah, all right, let's keep

3154
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 2: it going with this big cone. We gotta find out

3155
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:45,760
Speaker 2: where this is. Holy Spokes. I will say this has

3156
02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:49,920
Speaker 2: adult vibes the more you watch it, Luke, what a rush.

3157
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:56,000
Speaker 1: I bet they have good relationships with their parents.

3158
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:04,520
Speaker 2: Out of a part can one time. All right, let's

3159
02:15:04,520 --> 02:15:06,120
Speaker 2: get out of here before they do sleep with each

3160
02:15:06,120 --> 02:15:07,680
Speaker 2: other and then we get taken off. There a couple

3161
02:15:07,680 --> 02:15:09,959
Speaker 2: more for you, Luke. Check out right, this Mario tat.

3162
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 1: Cool tattoo until you realize that Mario will be jerking

3163
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:16,000
Speaker 1: you off for the rest of your life. Yeah, that's all.

3164
02:15:16,080 --> 02:15:18,840
Speaker 2: That's a bad tattoo, all right, let's try bumper sticker

3165
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:19,480
Speaker 2: of the week time.

3166
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:23,960
Speaker 1: My kids have a d D all different debts.

3167
02:15:26,520 --> 02:15:28,360
Speaker 2: Oh, Luke, do you ever have a talent show in

3168
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:29,560
Speaker 2: your class and you have to come out and do

3169
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 2: something lame and everybody gave you some collaps just to

3170
02:15:31,560 --> 02:15:33,240
Speaker 2: make you not feel bad? I think, So let's watch

3171
02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:44,480
Speaker 2: this kid. Oh god, oh god, do you know what

3172
02:15:44,520 --> 02:15:46,680
Speaker 2: traumatized he's gonna be for the rest of his life? Bro?

3173
02:15:46,720 --> 02:15:49,160
Speaker 1: They got an on film, no hands and he just

3174
02:15:49,240 --> 02:15:51,240
Speaker 1: face plants. Yes, you're going to be the face plant

3175
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:52,720
Speaker 1: fuckhead for the rest of your life.

3176
02:15:52,720 --> 02:15:55,160
Speaker 2: Now, Luke has a father. You have to maneuver when

3177
02:15:55,160 --> 02:15:58,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna teach, you know, Tuki, your lovable offspring about

3178
02:15:58,200 --> 02:15:59,720
Speaker 2: some bad things that have happened in history. I have

3179
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:01,360
Speaker 2: the same thing with Reggie Jackson. It's like, how much

3180
02:16:01,400 --> 02:16:02,880
Speaker 2: do I want to teach him about the bad in

3181
02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:03,440
Speaker 2: this world?

3182
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:11,640
Speaker 1: What is he watching?

3183
02:16:12,600 --> 02:16:13,240
Speaker 2: A tragedy?

3184
02:16:13,320 --> 02:16:13,480
Speaker 1: Luke?

3185
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:16,400
Speaker 2: But how quickly he popped up with nine eleven nine

3186
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 2: to eleven cat. Yeah, you got to tune into what's

3187
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:21,040
Speaker 2: going on on Instagram there also, Luke, we got one

3188
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:21,520
Speaker 2: more for you.

3189
02:16:21,640 --> 02:16:24,280
Speaker 1: I got emails last week. People better at you. I'm

3190
02:16:24,280 --> 02:16:25,200
Speaker 1: not even I didn't even do it.

3191
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 2: I don't even know I'm retiring. I almost retired from

3192
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:28,440
Speaker 2: Dale's senior jokes.

3193
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:30,960
Speaker 1: I will retire from do the jokes that you want

3194
02:16:31,000 --> 02:16:32,400
Speaker 1: to do. If they get mad, they get mad. I'm

3195
02:16:32,400 --> 02:16:33,600
Speaker 1: just telling you. People are emailing me.

3196
02:16:33,800 --> 02:16:35,480
Speaker 2: If I had the one video to sum up our

3197
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:36,959
Speaker 2: entire fan base. Luke, this is it.

3198
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 5: I just began stone, playing with my waaner and my balls.

3199
02:16:40,720 --> 02:16:44,320
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not active. It's Nember to society. I

3200
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:46,279
Speaker 1: just get stone and play with my genitals.

3201
02:16:47,080 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 2: It's relatable.

3202
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:50,680
Speaker 1: I have to tell you my life has not changed

3203
02:16:50,760 --> 02:16:51,160
Speaker 1: much from this.

3204
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,720
Speaker 2: But oh and I've got one more for you, Luke.

3205
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:58,720
Speaker 2: I teased it earlier at the One Championship. Yes, big

3206
02:16:58,760 --> 02:17:02,640
Speaker 2: things happen, like Dmitri Johnson retiring and super like winning

3207
02:17:02,680 --> 02:17:05,119
Speaker 2: the title from Haggerty. But look, this is what gets

3208
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 2: me fired up.

3209
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:12,000
Speaker 8: That is the legend, the BJJ legend. Henzo Gracie given

3210
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:16,440
Speaker 8: Chattree sity on Tom his b JJ blat Pelt Denver

3211
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:25,080
Speaker 8: makes so nuch for the newly minted b JJ black Pelt.

3212
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:27,400
Speaker 2: He would go on to get inducted into the Nevada

3213
02:17:27,400 --> 02:17:30,400
Speaker 2: Boxing Hall of fame after that, and then three people

3214
02:17:30,400 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 2: got trips to Saudi Raandy. It was great, It was

3215
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:33,200
Speaker 2: really good.

3216
02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean I got bone sowed all over just a couple.

3217
02:17:35,560 --> 02:17:38,040
Speaker 2: I mean, do you do you applaud Chowchi's lifetime commitment

3218
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:39,039
Speaker 2: to the arts and the crafts?

3219
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:41,400
Speaker 1: I mean, who cares? It's his, not mine? You know

3220
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:43,360
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, I don't disrespect it, but like

3221
02:17:43,360 --> 02:17:44,240
Speaker 1: how much do I care?

3222
02:17:44,280 --> 02:17:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't care? I mean, should they have done this

3223
02:17:45,879 --> 02:17:48,680
Speaker 2: on the broadcast despite all these fighters being so upset

3224
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:49,199
Speaker 2: and everything.

3225
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:52,520
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned that one of them just hit

3226
02:17:52,560 --> 02:17:53,880
Speaker 1: me up during the course of the show.

3227
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:55,480
Speaker 2: Max all, oh, no, that's not no.

3228
02:17:55,560 --> 02:17:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think you hit me up, but some

3229
02:17:57,320 --> 02:17:59,879
Speaker 1: other ones did. They heard us talking about it, and

3230
02:18:00,400 --> 02:18:01,800
Speaker 1: I just got an email from one of them.

3231
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:04,040
Speaker 2: I like, so, I like when people listen to our

3232
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:04,800
Speaker 2: show that are like.

3233
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's funny, pro very coincidental.

3234
02:18:06,879 --> 02:18:08,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they must like bad humor.

3235
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:11,400
Speaker 1: Did he go to the postfaright presser, like, I don't know,

3236
02:18:11,440 --> 02:18:13,640
Speaker 1: did anyone ask him about Reneer de Ritter and like ging,

3237
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:14,879
Speaker 1: we gotta get.

3238
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:16,520
Speaker 2: Out of the studio though, Luke, it's been nice doing

3239
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:16,879
Speaker 2: this with you.

3240
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:19,320
Speaker 1: BC what one more time? Plug what you're doing this

3241
02:18:19,400 --> 02:18:21,119
Speaker 1: week out in Las Vegas.

3242
02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:23,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll be in Las Vegas this week for Canelo

3243
02:18:23,520 --> 02:18:26,080
Speaker 2: PBC pay per view prime video against Edgar Berlanga. Check

3244
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:30,800
Speaker 2: me out Wednesday press conference, Thursday undercard interviews and Friday

3245
02:18:30,879 --> 02:18:33,640
Speaker 2: the way in some big time people on the left

3246
02:18:33,680 --> 02:18:34,840
Speaker 2: and right of me. It's going to be a lot

3247
02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:36,880
Speaker 2: of great coverage on the PBC and all the Smoke

3248
02:18:36,959 --> 02:18:41,400
Speaker 2: Fight YouTube and social channels. And watch the continuation exploration

3249
02:18:41,520 --> 02:18:44,600
Speaker 2: of my Brian Campbell experience on YouTube. The solo YouTube

3250
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:47,400
Speaker 2: channel is live right now. A lot of content coming

3251
02:18:47,400 --> 02:18:50,840
Speaker 2: to you this week. There's our social handles. Luke, you

3252
02:18:50,879 --> 02:18:51,800
Speaker 2: got anything to plug?

3253
02:18:52,640 --> 02:18:54,640
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be home because I my wife is going

3254
02:18:54,720 --> 02:18:56,600
Speaker 1: to go on a big long trip and so I'll

3255
02:18:56,640 --> 02:18:58,640
Speaker 1: have my own coverage YouTube dot com, slash Loup Thomas.

3256
02:18:58,680 --> 02:19:01,240
Speaker 1: But keep it. Luck to be c me MK, all

3257
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:03,600
Speaker 1: the Smoke Fight, tons of stuff, so much.

3258
02:19:03,440 --> 02:19:06,120
Speaker 2: Stuff coming your way. Thank you to our team. We

3259
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:06,840
Speaker 2: are out of here.