1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football clubs. Are you ready for 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: a Break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely 4 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 6 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 7 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September ninth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: number nineteen. Welcome to another edition of The Break. For 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: the first time in a very long time. We got 10 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: everybody on our crew at the Star at the same time, 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: but myself and Dave are here in the SWBC Morgan Studios. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: Nick's upstairs in his office, Amber's upstairs in somebody's office, 13 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: and we got a special guest today. So very welcome 14 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: and very unhappy to welcome Bucky Brooks to the program. 15 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: He'll be joining us as I mentioned you guys on 16 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: Twitter every Wednesday and Thursday. He'll come in and talk 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: to us about the opposing team. Welcome to the show, Bucky. Yeah, 18 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: we love getting you here because it's gonna give us 19 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: an opportunity to take advantage of your experience. You were 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: a player and a scout in the NFL for a 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: total of twelve years, and I guess just give before 22 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: we get started out some questions for you. Give our 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: listeners a little bit of a background on your career 24 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: and kind of what you've been doing and where you 25 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 1: are now. Man, it's been a it's been a long journey, 26 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: been a crazy journey. But spend five years in the 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: National Football League as a player, bounced around from team 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: to team after being the second round pick with the 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Spend time with the Bills, the Packers, the 30 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars, to Ken City Chiefs, and finish with the 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Oath and Raiders. Got a chance to play it for 32 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of great coaches, saw how the game could 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: be won at the highest level. Transition into being a scout. 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: Spent three years with the Seattle Seahawks and then moved 35 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: on four years with the Carolina Panthers. While I was 36 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: with the Panthers, we went to Super Bowl thirty eight, 37 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: didn't win it, but we were close enough. And so 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: from a team building perspective, have really been around a 39 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: lot of great teams and have seen it done a 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: bunch of different ways, and so I've tried to parlay 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: those experiences and to being able to kind of scalt 42 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: for the masses with my role at NFL Media, NFL Network, 43 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: and the things that I do with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 44 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: Just trying to share what I've learned to kind of 45 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: help people take a start, and to appreciate you taking 46 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: some time with us. We're gonna do it like this 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: every Wednesday. We're going to talk about the opposing team's offense, 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: and so we would do a round robin. We got 49 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: a lot of questions we're gonna throw at you today 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: about the Rams offense, and then tomorrow we'll jump into 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: the Rams defense matched up with the Cowboys offense. I'll 52 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: start off first, as you look at this Rams team 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: last season offensively, it looked like they took a little 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: bit of a step back from what they were the 55 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: year before that. They scored fourteen fewer touchdowns, which is 56 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: a significant number, almost an average of one touchdown per game. 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: They were down about seven hundred total yards from what 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: they did in two eighteen. What did you see looking 59 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: at them in two eighteen and twenty nineteen. That may 60 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: have been the difference last year. Just to why they 61 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: may have been a little less productive. You know, it's 62 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: funny because Sean McVay was really hailed as an offensive 63 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: wizard the first few seasons in the league for the 64 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: job that he did with the Rams. Offensively, they were explosive, 65 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: they were dynamic, they were exciting to watch, very creative 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: in how they went about their business. But Sean mcvagh 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: is a disciple of the Shanahans. He wonts the Shanahan system. 68 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: It's a lot of stretch zone run. We're complimented with 69 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: bootleg and complimentary play actions. So what they want to 70 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: do is give the defense the rum look while pulling 71 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: it out and taking shots down to field, and if 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: you're not able to contain the run, they pick your 73 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: part with these misdirection passes off of that action. Jared 74 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: Goff is at his best throwing all play action. Last year, 75 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 1: he wasn't on his game. Some of that was due 76 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: to the offensive line not being able to really build 77 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: a fortress in front of him. Some of that was 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: due to what if issues they had with Todd Gurley 79 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: and Sean McVay. They didn't play him the way that 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: they played him before, and without the threat of a 81 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: strong running game. It really impacted Jared Goff. And when 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: you look at the Rams and you look at Jared Goff, 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: he is really a guy that needs to play, actually 84 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: needs everything right around him. When he does that, they win. 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: And so the magic number from Jerry Golf if he 86 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: has a passer rating over ninety, he is twenty six 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: and two in his career. So when he's efficient and effective, 88 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Rams question, you got who's the running back? 89 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: But you know, like so right now they're talking about 90 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: doing a running back by committee. They have Malcolm Brown, 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: they have cam Acres. I would put my money on 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: cam Acres playing a significant role in this offense. The 93 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: second round pick coming out of Florida State is special. 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: He's dynamic with the ball in his hands, can run 95 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: an inside and outside. I can catch the ball particularly 96 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: well in the screen game. If they get him going, 97 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: this offense could look like the offense that we celebrated 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: as one of the best offenses that we've seen in 99 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: sometime now. Something that we always used to talk to 100 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: a while is what's the biggest matchup here? What would 101 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: be the main area where the Cowboys should probably focus 102 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: more on these two once their offense and versus defense 103 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: come together, they have to focus on the outside. Obviously, 104 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: the biggest question mark for the Cowboys coming in is 105 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: the secondary. Can there guys on the outside hold up 106 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: where they're facing one of the best one two punches 107 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: at wide receiver and Cooper Cup and Robert Woods they 108 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: were the only due They had ninety plus catches and 109 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: one thousand yards apiece last season. They ranked third in 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: receiving yards behind the Cowboys duo. So this is a 111 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: tandem that is dynamic, the explosive, the outstanding route runners. 112 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: So on the perimeter, can the Cowboys hold up and 113 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: prevent diff from having big plays in the passing game? 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: That is ultimately where the game. You touched on this 115 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: in your first comment, but I think it merit's going 116 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: back to is the Rams offensive line, because you know, 117 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: last year it felt like a revolving door. I feel 118 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: like Andrew Whitworth was really the only member of that 119 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,679 Speaker 1: group that was available for sixteen games. They didn't address 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: it much in the offseason. So my question for you 121 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: is is getting everybody healthy going to be enough for 122 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: them or is that a problem spot? I mean, it's 123 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: certainly a weakness until they show that they fixed the 124 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: problems that plagued them a season ago. Rob Havingstein and 125 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth, they'll hold up the edges. And I'll say this, 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: Andrew Whitworth is in severe decline. He's an older player. 127 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: You're thirty eight years old. You're not supposed to be 128 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: playing on the edge. And so there's a weakness that 129 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys can exploit and the pass for us game interior. Look, 130 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: they're just very very average on the inside. When you 131 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: look at the guys that they have, Note boon blythe Corbett, 132 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: they're okay, but they're not overpowering. And the problem that 133 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: they've had in this system, which really doesn't take a 134 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: five road greatest many that can push people off the ball, 135 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: but you have to work in unison. When they're not 136 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: working in sync, they have a tough time creating the 137 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: push that they need. And so this game will also 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: be decided in the trenches. Can they get movement off 139 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: the ball so they can establish the run game. The 140 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: running game is critical to send Jared Goff up to 141 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: be able to go to take you back to what 142 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: you were talking about with Jared Goff. He's a guy 143 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: that seems to have more mixed reviews on him around 144 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: the league with regard to disabilities as a quarterbacks as 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: much as anybody. Yeah, I heard you say. It was 146 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: a really interesting stat that when his pass rating is 147 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: over ninety, he's twenty six and two. My question for 148 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: you is what have you seen defenses due to him 149 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: that keep him from that number? Like, what is it 150 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: that can you know? Some quarterbacks are susceptable to pressure, 151 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: some are susceptible to more his own like, what is 152 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: the thing that really really tends to affect him more 153 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: than anything else. The number one thing that you have 154 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: to do when you're play in the rams and Jerry 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: Golf is you got to be able to contain the 156 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,559 Speaker 1: running game. Because if you can make the rams pass 157 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: and obvious passing situations where the play action pass is 158 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: not a factor, he is not as great when he 159 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: has to operate on straight drop back passes without the 160 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: deception that lures the linebackers near the line of scrimmage. 161 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: He doesn't have those open voids at intermediate range ten 162 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: to fifteen yards to hit the digs and the deep 163 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: overs that they like to hit, and so contain the 164 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: running game. You have to find a way to put 165 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: your hands on the wide receivers to disrupt the timing 166 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: of the passing game. For j Golf, he likes to 167 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: throw from a clean pocket. He wants to get to 168 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: the top of his drop, and he wants to let 169 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: the ball go on time. So anything that the defense 170 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: can do to disrupt the timing gets him out of sync. 171 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: And lastly, you have to hit him. Most quarterbacks change 172 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: when they're effected in the pocket, but if you get 173 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: hits on Jed Golf, it disrupts his rhythm. It forces 174 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: him to throw early, and with those early passes under 175 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: durest tips, overthrows, interceptions, those things tend to happen, and 176 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: so stop the running game, disrupt the rhythm of the 177 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: wide receivers, and then you have to get around him. 178 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: You do those three things, he has a tough time 179 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: having a solid game. Bucky, what how have you evaluated 180 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: the ram? I mean, if it's going off the last year, 181 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is going to be a problem that 182 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: all teams have to deal with right now, no preeasy game. 183 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm just kind of curious. I assure him last year's state, 184 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: but do you kind of mix in the personnel that 185 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: they've added and go back and look at them, and 186 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: how do you kind of come up with a game 187 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: plan when you have at them? You know, so you 188 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: have to go back and look at last year's tape, 189 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: and last year's tape would be the indicator. Obviously, every 190 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: year teams do self scout, They look at where they 191 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 1: did well, where they were poor, and they obviously try 192 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: and work directed by those while sprinkling in some new stuff. 193 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: So you understand exactly what their personnel is. You know 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: how Jared golf plays, You understand what the weapons are 195 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: on the outside and cup in woods. But then we 196 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: had the opportunity and watching them in hard knocks, and 197 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: even though hard knocks doesn't really give you all twenty 198 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: two perspective, you certainly can kind of see some of 199 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: the things that they're trying to do when you're looking 200 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: at the b role. And so when you put all 201 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: that together and you listen to how Sean McVeigh has 202 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 1: talked about kind of getting back to the basics, not 203 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: being too cute, getting back to what the essence of 204 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: this offense was. Well, you think about twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, 205 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: when they've made Super Bowl runs, it's because the running game, 206 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: the complimentary passing game, the explosive plays they want to 207 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: get acted that. So that has to be the expectations. Now. 208 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: Something that we've talked about a lot last year was 209 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: the Cowboys in their struggle when it came to the 210 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: tackling game this offseason. Due to no preseason games, we 211 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: haven't really seen the Cowboys be able to tackle or 212 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: because you know, you don't want to create any kinds 213 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: of injuries prior to the season starting. Do you see 214 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: this and as an area of concern for this defense 215 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 1: once they get to this first game as far as 216 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: just struggling with the right way to tackle. I mean, 217 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a huge concern for everybody, not just 218 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. When you haven't had the preseason to really 219 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: get live tackling, it makes it difficult. Obviously, we have 220 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: heard about the practices. Some of you guys have seen 221 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: the practices. They've been trying to work on those things, 222 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: simulated drills or whatever. But it's gonna be rough because 223 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: the speed of the game is so different from practice. 224 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: What you hope is that not only can you tackle 225 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: well in open field, but you get enough guys running 226 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: to the ball where if the first guy misses, there 227 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: are two or three other guys to clean it up. 228 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: But yes, it's something that is a concern. They have 229 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: to really be able to make solid open field tackles 230 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: because a missa two leads the explosive plays on a perimeter. 231 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: And obviously, you know our work that we've done together 232 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: has been draft related to this point, I'm the draft guy. 233 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: So it seems like there is a lot of hype 234 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: coming out of this RAMS camp about Van Jefferson, second 235 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: round pick out of Florida. It honestly reminds me a 236 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: lot of Cede Lamb in the sense that you know, 237 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Robert Woods and Cooper Cup are already there and they're 238 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: not asking Jefferson to do too much. So with that 239 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: in mind, what role do you see him having and 240 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 1: how successful could he be as a rookie. So they 241 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: have a couple of guys to keep an eye on 242 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: when they go to their four receiver packages. You have 243 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds from Texas and m who has come on 244 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: has been a solid number three for them, But then 245 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: Van Jefferson and the reason the excitement over Van Jefferson 246 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: is due to his rail running ability has polished and 247 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: his just pro demeanor. When you think about a son 248 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: of her wide receiver coach Sean Jefferson, who's the wide 249 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: receiver coach for the New York Jets. He comes in 250 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: with all of the tricks of the trade. He has 251 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: it all, and really he matches what they already have 252 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: in Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. Our standing route runners, 253 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: understands how to create separation. Anyone who had a chance 254 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: to watch him at the Senior Bowl saw he consistently 255 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: get open. So Nam, would you add him to the 256 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: mix working against the third dB. Is the third cornerback 257 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: able to handle a route runner? That would be one 258 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: of the challenges that because the FOI let you go, Bucky. 259 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: I have one final question for you. I'm looking at 260 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: these three pass rushers for the Cowboys, Everson Griffith, Tank, 261 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: Lawrence Alden Smith. They remind me a lot of what 262 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: Nick and I tend to do in fantasy football. Like 263 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: you look at our teams and three to five years 264 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 1: ago they would have been great. Now we don't really know. 265 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: So my question for you is what are you expecting 266 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: from these three pass rushers. I think they all at 267 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: different points in their careers, have been really really great 268 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: pass rushers. What are you expecting at this point? And 269 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: with all of them together as a group, I think 270 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: collectively they could be a dominant unit. And I'm gonna 271 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: say this, and I'm gonna put ALDA. Smith in the 272 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: wildcard category because he hasn't played in four or five years, 273 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: so we just don't know. But I'm gonna say this, 274 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: Everson Griffin and DeMarcus Lawrence they are a problem. They 275 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: will be a problem. DeMarcus Lawrence didn't have a great 276 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: year by his standards last year, but the talent is there. 277 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: The pass rushing prowess he possesses Everson Griffin will make 278 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: him a better player. And I'm gonna say this, and 279 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: I've said this repeatedly, Everson Griffin is a significant upgrade 280 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: over Robert Quinn. Robert Quid was a little more one 281 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: dimensional a speed rusher. Everson Griffin has it all and 282 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: what I like about him. His repertoire is small, but 283 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: he is masterful. He has an upfield speed rush move 284 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: where he can consistently dipping rip pass blockers, but he 285 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,359 Speaker 1: compliments that with a nasty spin move working on the inside. 286 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: When you add those two moves plus a relentless motor. 287 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: He is going to get ten plus sacks just by 288 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: showing up. Alden Smith is unique in terms of we're 289 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: seeing a guy that has been a dominant edge player 290 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: early in his career come in, balked up and played 291 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: really heavy handed. I think his biggest contributions will not 292 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: be as a pass rusher, but more as a heavy 293 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: handed run stopper on the edge. He may give you 294 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: something in terms of garbage sex, but really he's a 295 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: heavy hand at presence on the edge. But in everything. 296 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Griffin and DeMarcus Lawrence, I wouldn't be surprised to see 297 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: them Telly twenty five, twenty seven sex collectively because those 298 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: guys are dominant. And if the Cowboys play the way 299 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: that I think they're going to play on offense, where 300 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: they run out score points and they make the opponent 301 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: chase points, meaning they have to pass, it could be 302 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: to the ears of all the Cowboys mans listening, Let's 303 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: hope that that goes from your mouth to God's ears. Hey, 304 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: Bucky Man, we appreciate you joining us. We'll be back tomorrow. 305 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna have you on with us. We'll talk a 306 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: little bit about the Rams defense match up against the 307 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Cowboys offense. Thanks for joining us. 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We were 346 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: in the second segment of The Break live from the 347 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios at the start, Well, appreciate you 348 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: guys taking some time with us. First segment we had 349 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks and he broke down the Rams offense versus 350 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense. Will do the defense tomorrow. But now 351 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to talk a little bit about 352 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. He had his press conference this morning. He 353 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: did give us an update on Xavier Woods and Cheeto 354 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: Awoozia h Nick give us an update on what he 355 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: said and what's expected of those two guys as far 356 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: as practice and maybe even playing this week. I think 357 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: they're gonna give They're gonna give it a go. Chetosa 358 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: get the practice Zavier as well. I think expect Or 359 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: been hearing that all week. Zavi's gonna get a chance 360 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: to go out there, you know. But they're obviously you know, 361 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: they got Brandon car on practice. Why. I think Brandon 362 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: Carr will will get the chance to move up. He's 363 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: going to give them some versatility in both of those 364 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 1: areas at corner and safety if he can pick up 365 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: the defense in the scheme quickly. But I think I 366 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: think they're gonna we'll see today and then tomorrow how 367 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: they respond on Xavier and Keito. Another thing question that 368 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: I forgot to ask yesterday, but now that Nick brought 369 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: up Brandon Carr again, with guys like that that haven't 370 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: been able to have an off season with the team, 371 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: how long do you guys expect players like that to 372 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: be able to get acclimated and bat and get back 373 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: to that level too. Okay, now we can feel comfortable 374 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: putting that guy on the field in a real game. 375 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: It's a great question that I struggle with the answer, 376 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because common sense says Brandon 377 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: car didn't have a training camp, he didn't have an 378 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: off season, even as a twelve year and it seems 379 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: wild to think that they're gonna put him out there 380 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: seven days after he signs with the team. But if 381 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: anybody could do it, it's probably a twelve year vet um. 382 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be Brandon's comfort level as well 383 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: as the coaches comfort level that he can handle it. 384 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: But I mean, like I said, it sounds odd that 385 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: he would be on the field seven days after signing 386 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: with the team. Yeah, I actually think there are two 387 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: things at play there. I mean, one, he's a twelve 388 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: year VET, so from the standpoint of him picking things up, 389 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I think that that works in his favor. I think 390 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: the flip side of that is he's a twelve year 391 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: VET where his body maybe like I need a little 392 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: bit more time to ramp up right. So again, it 393 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: all is individual. We don't know how his body works. 394 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: And he said he's been working out quite a bit 395 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: during the off season getting his body prepared. You've always 396 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: heard the phrase from players that there's off season training 397 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: and then there's football shape, and maybe it takes him 398 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: a little while to get up to football shape. But 399 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: I don't think they're actually gonna be bringing him in 400 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: to go out there and play, you know, fifty snaps. 401 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a situation where you're gonna come in 402 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: and maybe provide a little support here and there. Or 403 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: he might just be a guy that's active for the 404 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: purposes of if someone should get hurt. So either way, 405 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: I think they're probably feeling like, you know, he probably 406 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: has been able or we'll be able to acclimate himself 407 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: enough to play that kind of role in these first 408 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: few weeks and then we'll see where it all goes 409 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: from there. All right, let's move on to another thing 410 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: that Mike McCarthy brought up that I thought was kind 411 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: of interesting. He mentioned the fact that there were three 412 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: coaches on the Cowboys coaching staff who were with the 413 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Rams last year, John Fossil, Skip Pete, and Matt Daniels. 414 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: He says he thinks that that could be an advantage 415 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: for them from a personnel standpoint. He made that specific. 416 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: It's more from a personnel standpoint than necessarily a scheme standpoint. Dave, 417 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 1: what do you think as far as how much you 418 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: think that could help or help the Cowboys from a 419 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: standpoint of their coaches knowing the personnel well with the Rams. Yeah, 420 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that stands to reason, espect honestly, 421 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: the most interesting part to me maybe sounds boring on 422 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: the surface, which is special teams. I mean, John Fossil 423 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: ran that unit for almost a decade. He knows exactly 424 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: not the new players, but he knows they're veterans. He's 425 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: very familiar with their punter, they're long snapper, all of 426 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: their core veterans. I wonder if that gives him a 427 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: leg up in knowing their tendencies and their weaknesses. I 428 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: think you make a mistake thinking that they're going to 429 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: know a ton about scheme because that changes from year 430 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: to year. But these guys should have a really good 431 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: read on the veteran players on that team. I have 432 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 1: to believe it's going to be an advantage. So if 433 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: it's not schematic, Nick, how much does the Cowboys really 434 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: have an advantage from the standpoint that they haven't shown 435 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: anybody their scheme? If if scheme changes every year and 436 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: most teams are going to come in with a little 437 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: different scheme, does it really help the Cowboys not having 438 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: anything out there in the preseason from a schematic standpoint. 439 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't, I don't. I'm not buying 440 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: that one at all. I know that people the Cowboys 441 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: are counting on that and they're like, you don't know 442 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: what they're going to do. But you know, that also 443 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: means you haven't played it and practiced it. That means 444 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: you haven't put it out there. I mean, yeah, you 445 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: meant it. Might have practiced it, but not against anybody 446 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: that's trying to tackle you and knocked the ball out. 447 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: So I think it's just kind of goes you know 448 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: it's fifty fifty on that. Sure, the Rams aren't going 449 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: to know exactly what they're trying to do, but the 450 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Cowboys might be kind of rusty and what they're trying. 451 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: What do you think, Cambridge, does this give the Cowboys 452 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: an advantage not having any scheme out there and also 453 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: having coaches from the Rams? And do you think it's 454 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: much to do about nothing? I mean, I do see 455 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: it as an advantage we that we are here and 456 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: we get to see things a little bit more close 457 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: than most people. We don't really have a clear idea either, 458 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: so I'm sure that people from the outside are gonna 459 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: have a much harder time. But then again, that applies 460 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: to much of all the other teams out there in 461 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: the NFL. What I'm really curious and interested about is 462 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: to see what coaching staff is able to adjust better 463 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: during this situation. This is something that we talk forever 464 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: about Jason Garrett, era and their own ability to adjust 465 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: throughout the game and switch things up, And I'm just 466 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm excited. I'm so excited to see the 467 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: way they're able to adjust to whatever the Rams bring 468 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: onto them. And then also one of the things that 469 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I'm excited about and we've heard players say it. We 470 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: heard Jerry Jones say it is the fact that they're 471 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: supposedly not being as predictable as they've been in previous year. 472 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: So that's really really exciting for everyone that's gonna watch 473 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: be watching. And I think that it is an advantage 474 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: to just not know what's gonna happen. You just go 475 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: out there and let the best team ever preparing the best. 476 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: All right, So we're gonna move on to a topic 477 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: that that kind of follows from that not knowing what's 478 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: going to happen. The Cowboys yesterday release their unofficial depth chart. 479 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: Every team in the league has to. The league requires 480 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: them to release that. It is an unofficial depth chart, 481 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: and so I don't want us to get to bob 482 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: down in the you know, whether it's right or wrong. 483 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: I do think there were some interesting things on it 484 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: that can lead to some interesting conversations, and so I'm 485 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: gonna throw a few things on you at you guys 486 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: that I noticed in that official depth chart, and we're 487 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit about what that could mean 488 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: or where we could see some differences from what's on 489 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: the depth chart as to what Cowboys fans can expect 490 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: to see on the game Sunday night. So let's start 491 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: first with your Ryvon Diggs. He was listed as a 492 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: starter at cornerback. That was the thing actually that jumped 493 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 1: out to me immediately as the most interesting thing based 494 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: on what you guys have been able to observe in 495 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: the training camp practices, do you think trader Onon Diggs 496 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: is ready to be a starter in the NFL. Let's 497 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: start first with you, Dave. For the record, I think 498 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: a big part of it is that Cheeto a Woozia 499 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: hasn't practiced in two weeks, so as of right now, 500 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: they don't know if he'll be available. And on top 501 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: of that, why would they admit that he's available. But 502 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: I have to admit, and I was a guy I 503 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: leaned toward veteran experience in every training camp battle. I 504 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: really didn't think very many rookies we're gonna have sas 505 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: crack in the starting depth chart. But I do think 506 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: Trey Von Diggs can probably handle it. And that's not 507 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: to say he's gonna be Jalen Ramsey from day one, 508 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: but he has looked really impressive. He's I mean, he's 509 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: going against Lamb Cooper and Gallup like he's going against 510 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: one of the best receiver corps and he has looked 511 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: up to it. So if that's that's what happens, I 512 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: can totally buy that that he's up to it. Amber 513 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: do you know this year is it's very interesting to me. 514 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: I don't know how much being having like the name starter, 515 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: like how big of a deal that is in certain positions, 516 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: just because we've seen it in previous year, how you 517 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: could start a game, start for the first few plays 518 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: and at any given moment just switch it out and 519 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: bring another player in. How much of irritation is there 520 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: gonna be at these kinds of positions, especially in the secondary. 521 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: So I don't I'm not trying to get too crazy 522 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: about the term starter. I just see it more as Okay, 523 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: this is the guy that's going to open the game, 524 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: and then we'll see how the game goes, and they 525 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: have the ability to just rotate so many guys and 526 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: then get a good field who is really performing at 527 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: the best so that for later the upcoming games then 528 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: they get more playing thick. I think it's significant. I mean, 529 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: I know I was told that, Yeah, Chito didn't play 530 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: much but Tyrence Smith didn't play a lot either, and 531 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: he's playing at left tackle. He's still the guy at 532 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: left tackle, so you know, they didn't change that out, 533 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: and obviously that would have been, you know, kind of 534 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: a bold move there, but you know it, maybe there's 535 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: some there definitely is some strategy going on here between 536 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. All you have to do is count how 537 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: many offensive guys are on the depth goal and then 538 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: you know what they're They're just trying to hide everything. 539 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: M Yeah, hey, hey, Trey Von Diggs is starting attack him, 540 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: attack him, you know, telling the Rams to kind of 541 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: to go after him. And maybe he only plays nickel 542 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: or diamond. Who knows if there's a way to not 543 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: throw their hand. Mike McCarthy's doing it. I don't know 544 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: if he's good at poker, but I bet you he 545 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: thinks he is. Yeah, I bet he thinks he's good 546 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: at poker. It's interesting. It's interesting that they didn't put 547 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: They only put ten offensive players are positions on there, 548 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: and I think obviously the game has been shipped there 549 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: is you don't know if they're gonna start out with 550 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: an extra tight end, an extra wide receiver or a fullback, 551 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: like they didn't put it on there. They just have 552 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 1: those other ten starters, and that's just kind of where 553 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: they leave it. Maybe they just don't care and they 554 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: had a PR person fill out the depth chart. Maybe, 555 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: so maybe they let us do it. And that's kind 556 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: of the Yeah, you're trying to break some news here 557 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 1: on Cowboys Break, did you know? I'm not really just 558 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: saying like they could have had anybody do this, right, Derek, 559 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: did you leave off the eleventh guy? I kind of 560 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: just forgot him. I don't know, it just it kind 561 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: of happens. You know, he's only the first round pick. 562 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: That's fine, all right. Um, here's the next thing. I noticed. 563 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: The offensive tackle position, the right tackle right now, Actually 564 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: they have Terrence Still listed as the swing tackle with 565 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Lyle out. They have obviously Tyren Smith and Cam Irving 566 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: as the two starters. In the event that one of 567 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: those two guys goes down. Do you think Terrence Still 568 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: is the guy that actually goes in? Is it Brandon 569 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: Knight who right now they're listening as the backup guard? 570 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: Do you think that if he went out, if one 571 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: those two guys went out, they actually consider the possibility 572 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: of taking Connor Williams moving him out the tackle and 573 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: throwing Brandon Knight or Connor McGovern into that guard spot. Nick, 574 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure, but I'm pretty confident. 575 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: But correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think I've 576 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: seen Connor Williams play a snap of tackle in his 577 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: pro career, let alone at this training camp. Yeah, is that? 578 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: Do you agree? I have? I haven't seen it since 579 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: the university. Yea. If anything, thank you well. If anything, 580 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: he's played more center I think than he has tackle. 581 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: I think, um and and that's and that's barely any 582 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: at all. I think the Connor Williams playing on the 583 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: out side narrative is dead. It's just a media narrative. 584 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: It's well, I mean, I think it might have been 585 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: a thing at one point, but then you signed a 586 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: veteran swing tackle, you draft a center, you're just kind 587 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: of like, all right, we're gonna give this guy a 588 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: shot to stay where he was. I don't think that's happening. 589 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: I am interested about Brandon Knight being listed as a 590 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: guard because I know he played some garden training camp. 591 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: He's moved around a little bit, but he's also played 592 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of tackle, and he's looked better doing it 593 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: than Terrence Steele. I mean no offense to Terrence Steele 594 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: because he was going against the Marcus Lawrence and Alden Smith, 595 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: but he looked out of his depth. So hey, wait, 596 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: what's up? If if Terrence Steele is out there, I 597 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: can tell you who that eleventh guy is gonna be. 598 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be Blake Bell and he's gonna be right 599 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: next to him the other game. Like that's those those 600 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: are gonna be the eleventh starting lineup. I have to 601 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: believe Night is the next guy up at tackle, even 602 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: if he's not listed that way. All right too, m 603 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: let's go and take our final break. When we come back, 604 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: we're going to finish up some of these things that 605 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: were on the unofficial depth chart that we thought were interested. 606 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: We're also gonna get some questions. 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We got 644 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: our our entire crew here at the start of day. 645 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: So it feels good to be moving things or moving 646 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: the season. Starting tomorrow night, they're actually gonna be playing 647 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: a real game in the NFL. I cannot wait. She'd 648 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: be very very interesting this season, and hopefully everything keeps 649 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: going on a good path to where we can actually 650 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: get through the season and into the playoffs and Cowboys 651 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: can do something all right, So let's jump back in 652 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: the unofficial depth chart. Another thing that popped out to 653 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: me was Tony Pollard is listed as the primary punt returner, 654 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson listed as the primary kick returner. Ceedee Lamb 655 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: not the primary returner on either of those units. What 656 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: are your thoughts about that, because I think we, or 657 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: at least I'll speak for myself, I was actually excited 658 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: about the possibility of Ceedee Lamb being the primary returner, 659 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: either on kicks or punts. Let's start first with you, Nick, Well, 660 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: you know this is more gamesmanship of what's happening. You know, 661 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: for years they had different punt returners when you know, 662 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: Dion Sanders was the guy when you really wanted a 663 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: big return, but Kevin Williams was back there, you know, 664 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: or Kelvin Martin or somebody like that. So I think, 665 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: you know, you have a safe returner. You have a 666 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: guy that's gonna go catch the ball, faircatch and all that. 667 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: That maybe is Tony Pollard, but I guarantee you if 668 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: there's a pun or standing in his end zone and 669 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,879 Speaker 1: he's trying to, you know, get the ball and trying 670 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,400 Speaker 1: to get as much field positioned as possible. You know, 671 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: I would imagine Ceedee Lamb's out there, but let's not 672 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: act like having Tony Pollard in the open field would 673 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: be bad either. I mean, just catch the ball and 674 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: go north. That's it. That's really all all you need 675 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: to do. Amber. I mean, who doesn't want to see 676 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: Ceede Lamb Just give it a go and see how 677 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: he does. But he and Tony Poller, I'm a huge 678 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: fan he. That guy is freaking quick. He's quick with 679 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: his feet, He's able to move around. He's a small guy, 680 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: but he can move, he can cut, make cuts, and 681 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: he's really good with anticipation. So I'm excited to see 682 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: him give it a go. This year is again and 683 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: just see how he does. But hopefully at some point 684 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: in the season we get to see to see see 685 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: the Lamb give it a go as well. I am. 686 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: Everybody knows. I'm one of the people that's in favor 687 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: of Lamb returning punts, but I never expected him to 688 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: be the exclusive punt returner. I don't know if it's 689 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: smart to send him back there six times a game. 690 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: You know, what's that eighty times a season or whatever. 691 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, like Nick said, if you've got a 692 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: chance to field a punt near midfield, or if it's 693 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: a late game situation and you need to play, that's 694 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: when I expect to see Lamb. The Pollard thing is 695 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: weird because I've never seen him field a punt in 696 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: my life. I don't think he ever has. He's the 697 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: kick guy, so I think that's an outright lie, to 698 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I would expect it's gonna be 699 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: Cedric Wilson. Maybe you might see Treyvon Diggs back there, 700 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: and then Pollard's your kick returner. I would be pretty 701 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,840 Speaker 1: surprised if Tony's fielding punts on Sunday. I will say this, 702 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: It did pique my curiosity though, because, like as you 703 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: guys are saying, Tony Pollard is a really really quick guy. 704 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: He has some of those attributes that you think would 705 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: be in a good punt returner, So I kind of 706 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: want to see what it looks like. I do want 707 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: to say, I've said a million times I would love 708 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: for Tony Pollard to rid purn punts. I just haven't 709 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 1: seen it, which, to be fair, doesn't mean he hasn't 710 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 1: done it right. There's a lot of stuff we don't see, 711 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: but I'm going with what I've seen, which is not 712 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: Tony Pollard, so I'd be pretty surprised to see it. 713 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and get some questions, am Bro. 714 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: Let's pull up some questions from some of the fans 715 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: out there listening, some questions that you were able to 716 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,279 Speaker 1: get off of Twitter. What do you have? Well, I 717 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: know we're tired talking about this, but it is what 718 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: the fans are still talking about, and that is the 719 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: safety position. Now that the whole Zack Martin's contract and 720 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: the way they're trying to restructure it and all that 721 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: brings up the question could the Cowboys possibly be clearing 722 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: up some money to bring Earl Thomas here and do something? 723 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 1: So what is the reason behind this whole restructuring Zack Martins? 724 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: You know what I want to do. I want to 725 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: see if I want to see if Chris, our producer, 726 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: can actually get the you know, get something set up 727 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: to where we can just say, hook them horns, like 728 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: every time we bring up the name Earl Thomas, like 729 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,479 Speaker 1: you just hear this loud, hook them horns, and so, 730 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, just it's just what we do as a 731 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: part of our show because we bring them up all 732 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: the time. I think we ought to give a little 733 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,440 Speaker 1: love to Texas, right, we want to go back to 734 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: the days when Texas actually produced big time dbs a 735 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: decade ago. Yeah, he's just riding that high. I so wish, 736 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: I so wish Texas was playing LSU this year. I 737 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: really do me too. It's not gonna happen. It's not 738 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen. All right, So what do you guys think? 739 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: What is Earl Thomas still in the mixer? Nick? Do 740 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: you want to? Okay, yack, go ahead. I think he is. 741 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean I think he is until he signs with 742 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: another team, and then when he gets cut by them, 743 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: he'll be in the mix again. I mean, I think 744 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: he's in the mix with until the Cowboys, you know, 745 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: really show up the position. I mean, I don't Again, 746 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 1: it's a good question. I don't know what they're getting 747 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: money for. But I said this yesterday. I think that 748 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 1: week one, obviously, it makes sense for all teams to 749 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: kind of pass on Earl Thomas because you don't know 750 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 1: what you're getting there, and you don't want to lock 751 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,959 Speaker 1: yourself into a contract for the entire year. I would 752 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: imagine that the sweepstakes for him ramps up after this week. 753 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: We'll see if somebody gets hurt, you know, injured or 754 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: in the league, and maybe that creates a more leverage 755 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: for him. But why not, I mean, keep it, keep 756 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: it alive. I still think there's something to it. I'll 757 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: say what I said yesterday, which is they're gonna trot 758 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: out Darien Thompson, Donovan Wilson, and Brandon Carr as their 759 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: answer across from Xavier Woods. That's not a guarantee to work. 760 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,560 Speaker 1: So I can't rule out Earl Thomas. Like I said 761 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,919 Speaker 1: about the receivers yesterday, if it's a disaster and they're 762 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: giving up three hundred and fifty yards a game, you 763 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: can't rule it out. But I don't think that's why 764 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: they restructured Zach's contract. They already had cap space. Earl 765 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: Thomas is not going to be nearly as expensive to 766 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: sign as he used to be after what after the 767 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: year that he's had, so I think they could do 768 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,799 Speaker 1: that with the space that they had. I think that 769 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: they know that they are going to have to pay 770 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback a lot of money next year. The CAP's 771 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: not guaranteed to grow, so they're making room for it, 772 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,880 Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean a long term contract that's going 773 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: to be expensive to tag Dak too, So I think 774 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: they just want to make sure they have extra money 775 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: in the bank. I'll just would would you sign but 776 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,479 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas to a two year deal? Would you sign 777 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: him to a two year deal one year? If it's 778 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: a two year deal that allows me to cut him 779 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,840 Speaker 1: after one sure? Like no, I wouldn't give him like 780 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: a two year deal with lots of guarantees. I mean, 781 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: I bet that he's trying to get a one year 782 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: deal and trying to get a one year deal, which 783 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 1: means and not to a huge pay cut. So you know, 784 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: you may not have a lot of lot Not a 785 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: lot of teams have that kind of cap space. If 786 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: he's trying to do that, yeah, they would probably want 787 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: to do a two year deal, three year deal that 788 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 1: can can get cut down to one or two. But 789 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, I I would imagine he's trying to get 790 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,839 Speaker 1: a one year deal to get another big payday next 791 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: year and do that. You got to have a decent 792 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: amount of cap space, you know. I will say my 793 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: desires kind of changed at when he first became available. 794 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: I was like, bring him like tech. I want to 795 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: see him on this team. My my role, I think, 796 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 1: my my my opinion on this has changed a little 797 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: bit to this point. I kind of want to just 798 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: see what they can do with what they have. Like 799 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,800 Speaker 1: I like the idea of some of these young safeties 800 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: that they have, and quite frankly, I love their pass 801 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: rush and I think the pass rush is going to 802 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: help this secondary be pretty good. And so when you 803 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: look at it from that standpoint, that's what we thought about. 804 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,800 Speaker 1: No no no, no no no no no no no no 805 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,359 Speaker 1: no no. I remember back they had they had two 806 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: pass let me finish, let me finish. They had two 807 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: pass rushers last year. This year they got three, and 808 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,960 Speaker 1: they got three. As you heard Bucky say, Everson Griffin 809 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: is an appreciable difference he has. He is he is 810 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: a much better pass rusher than what you had in 811 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: Robert and Robert Griffith was good, but I mean, I'm sorry, 812 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: m Robert Quinn was good. I said last year, I 813 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,399 Speaker 1: thought he was gonna have he was gonna be your best, 814 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: most productive pass rusher. But even at that, he's not 815 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: as good as Everson Griffin. So you got three pass 816 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: rushers this year that I feel like I'm gonna be 817 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: much better than what you had last year. I don't 818 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: think Tank played his best football last year. I think 819 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: he will be much better this year. All that being said, 820 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,239 Speaker 1: I think that there is a difference between what you 821 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: can expect from the pass rush in two nineteen and 822 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: what you will expect it from it in twenty twenty. 823 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: Is that enough to maybe hide your secondary? I don't know. 824 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,439 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I do think it'll be better, 825 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: and if it is better, there is a chance that 826 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: it will be good enough to make your secondary pretty good. 827 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: And if that happens, there's no need to go out 828 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,479 Speaker 1: and take a risk with Earl Thomas. That's the whole point. 829 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: I think you can hidey. Sorry I was I was 830 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, first of all, thank you for being a gentleman. 831 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,120 Speaker 1: You shouldn't let me stay first, But that's okay. Second 832 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: of all, here's the thing, here's the problem. It all 833 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: sounds great, it sounds amazing. Yes, we're excited about I 834 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,440 Speaker 1: am excited about it. But I've heard this story before. 835 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: We heard it last year. We heard it after the draft. 836 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: How they spoke about, oh yeah, if our pass rush 837 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: is great, you know that trickles down and that's gonna 838 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,360 Speaker 1: help out the secondary. Didn't didn't really help the secondary. 839 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: We've My point is here, and I'm not saying what 840 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,959 Speaker 1: the players that we have right now are are bad 841 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 1: or anything. I'm excited about them. But the thing is, 842 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: I've heard this story before and i haven't seen it 843 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 1: actually happen. So that's where my problem comes in. I've 844 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,399 Speaker 1: just I need to see it actually happened. I'm tired 845 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: of seeing Oh yeah, let me see this young guys. 846 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just need to see vettering guys that are experience, 847 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 1: that can actually go out there and are proven players. Well, 848 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,760 Speaker 1: what is Brandon Carr? Is He not a proven player? Okay, 849 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: he's a proven pretty good players, right And what we 850 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: know right what we know right now, from what we 851 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: know right now from Earl Thomas is regardless of what 852 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: he can provide for you on the field, he has 853 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: been unreliable as a teammate, right, So you can't say 854 00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: he's for sure either. Like what you're gonna get might 855 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: be you might get a great player that can last 856 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: the whole season. You might get a player that completely 857 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: destroys your locker room. All I'm saying is there's no 858 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: point in taking that risk until you know a little 859 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,279 Speaker 1: bit more about what you think you already have. Let 860 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: me clarify, I'm not chomping at the bid to sign 861 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: Earl Thomas. I'm fine seeing what this is. But I 862 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,240 Speaker 1: can't help but think about how many people were okay 863 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: with going into the eighteen season with no real receivers 864 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: and it took seven games to realize that that was 865 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: a mistake. And I think I won't be surprised if 866 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: that's what we wind up. Okay, So let me ask 867 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,479 Speaker 1: you this though, in that instance, you actually took something 868 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: away from your wide receiver position. Do you think the 869 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,400 Speaker 1: Cowboys safety position is worse this year than it was 870 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: last year? I just think the secondary as a whole 871 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: is worse than it is, and you those things have 872 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: to be weighed together, like your safeties are impacted by 873 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: your cornerbacks and how good they are. The Cowboys do 874 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 1: not have a proven playmaker in their secondary period. That's problem. 875 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 1: Did they have one last year? I mean byer, he 876 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,320 Speaker 1: was not a playmaker. It was a pretty good cornerback. 877 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: He was not a playmaker. He's a guy that you 878 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: can count on to take away half of the field 879 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,920 Speaker 1: on a regular basis. I don't know if I say 880 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,200 Speaker 1: takeaway half of the field. Okay, he was a pretty 881 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: good corner. Let's just he was a pro. Opponents never 882 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,080 Speaker 1: targeted him ever. Okay, they just didn't do it. Maybe 883 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,720 Speaker 1: it was because they felt like they had better options 884 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: on the other side. Right, Well, yeah, Derek, what happened 885 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: to you? I thought again about this is I'm just 886 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,360 Speaker 1: thinking right now, you look at the safety position, I 887 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,239 Speaker 1: don't I think they're actually better off than they were 888 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: last year. I think having darry and Thompson out there 889 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: with Xavier Woods, to me, is better than what they 890 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: had last year. So I'm okay with the safety position. 891 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what they can do 892 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: with this pass rush and if it's fine, if they 893 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: go out there and the Rams put up thirty five 894 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: forty points on them, then okay, let's rehab. Let's have 895 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,360 Speaker 1: this discussion all over again, and let's talk about bringing 896 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 1: in Earl Thomas. But I just kind of want to 897 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: see if this pass rush makes the secondary better or not, 898 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: because you're right, Dave, they don't have a bunch of 899 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: proven great players in their secondary. I do think their 900 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: pass rush is better and that's always been a football thing. Ever. 901 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: To get to your point when you talk about, you know, 902 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: if you have a good pass rush, I think everybody 903 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: believes if you have a really good pass rush, it 904 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,399 Speaker 1: does help your secondary. Maybe it wasn't enough last year, 905 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: but I do think with those three guys this year, 906 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 1: it's gonna be different. I think it's gonna be better. 907 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had worn sunglasses for this segment, for 908 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 1: all the sunshine that's coming at me from this direction 909 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: over here. Sunshine, it's very sunshiny. It's just very bright, 910 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: very bright. All I'm saying I want to see. I'm 911 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: saying I want to see. I just want to see. Nick, 912 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: what did you have thoughts on this? The funny part 913 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: is I'm saying the exact same thing Dave just been saying, 914 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: which is, let's wait and see, but go ahead. Yeah, 915 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,919 Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. Honestly, at the end of the day, 916 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: I personally don't think the Cowboys are gonna do anything. 917 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna wait and see. So it's kind 918 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: of a move point. I'll say it again. I don't 919 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: care if they signed Earl Thomas or not. But as 920 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: we sit here on the cusp of the twenty twenty season. 921 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: Their secondary is not better than I was last year. 922 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,720 Speaker 1: Things about the same. Okay, all right, well, well we'll 923 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280 Speaker 1: check back in after we finish this game against the Rams, 924 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,520 Speaker 1: and we'll decide what we think after that game. How's 925 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,880 Speaker 1: it all right? St If that sounds good? Awesome? All right, 926 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: we appycate you guys join us. We're back tomorrow again. 927 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,520 Speaker 1: We're gonna have by Bucky Brooks join us. He will 928 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: talk about the Rams defense versus the Cowboys offense. We'll 929 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,439 Speaker 1: also get into some other topics tomorrow and we'll start 930 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,560 Speaker 1: getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus Ram. Till then 931 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,840 Speaker 1: for Nick Eatman, Dave Hellman, Amber Garcia. 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