WEBVTT - Hustlers with Siouxsie Q 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the bed Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.520 women and um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:11.879 husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:18.520 best start changing it with the Bell Cast. Hey, Caitlin, Yeah, Jamie, 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.239 thanks for meeting me up on this roof. You look cold. 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.840 Oh my gosh, I'm so cold. Hey, can I bomb 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:29.240 a smoke? Yeah? I'm a known smoker, and I'm also 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.960 wearing a gigantic fur as unethically sourced as a humanly 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.239 could fine? Would you like to get would you like 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.239 to get on in? Yeah? I'm so chilly. Okay, Well, 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.760 now that you're here, I have an idea. It's called 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:48.280 a podcast, and we're gonna make a funk load of money. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.479 Are you in? I mean, famously podcasters make a hundred 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:58.400 thousand dollars per weekend. So yeah, I'm in. In two 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:04.280 thousand and seven, if you're a podcaster, the money podcasters 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.000 were pulling prerecession. It's what they don't want you to know. 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.479 We'll see how We'll see how this goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.520 there's what could possibly happen. We'll definitely be speaking in 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.360 five years. Yeah, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna betray 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.759 our trust and take a deal when we both get 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:28.800 arrested after having an illegal podcast. And I really hope 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.760 that one of those exists. I don't know what you 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.280 would need to be do, I mean, I'm not sure anyways, 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:41.200 I feel I feel confident about that. Intro. Welcome, Welcome 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.160 to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus. My 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:48.080 name is Caitlin Darante, and this is our show where 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:53.320 we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.080 Bechdel Tests simply as a jumping off point to initiate 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:04.560 a larger conversation. Jamie, what is the Bechdel test? Though? Okay? So, 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.400 the Bechtel test is a media metric invented by queer 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:13.240 cartoonist Alison Bechdel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, that 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:17.560 requires the following. There must be for our purposes. There's 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.360 different versions of it. This is our version. For our purposes. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.080 We require that there be two named characters of a 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:28.359 marginalized gender that talk to each other about something other 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.600 than a man for two lines of dialogue. And it 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:33.960 has to be a recent update. It has to be 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:39.720 a meaningful exchange. We can't define what that is, but 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.079 you know it when you hear it. Uh. And fortunately 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.280 this is not a movie where I think we will 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.240 struggle to find them, so we won't need to really 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:52.119 split hairs on it this week, because this week we're 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:55.880 covering I think one of our more popular requests ever. 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.720 We've been getting a ton of requests for this movie 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.760 since it came out, before it came out, maybe even 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.320 before the trailer dropped, basically, and we were kind of 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.799 waiting for the perfect guest to come along and guess what, 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:13.680 she's here, baby, it happened. It's the Hustlers episode and 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.799 our guest today she is a writer, performer, and activist. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.680 It's Susie q Wo. Hi, Louise, thank you so much 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.919 for being here. Thank you so much for a having 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.120 this podcast super duper important, um and be like doing 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:36.240 this movie super duper important, and see having me thank you, 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:40.600 this is the most important part. We're so excited to 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.520 have you on the show and to talk about this 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.320 movie the same. I have been hearing about this movie 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.880 and thinking about this movie since long before it was 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.440 ever even released, let alone I actually ever been watched it, 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.360 which was only this week, So thank you for giving 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.560 me the final excuse to like, you know, I am 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.800 of the adult industry. I was doing adult work in 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.160 strip clubs around the same time that this movie happened. 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.960 Um So, I was really reluctant to watch it. You know, 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:08.760 it's like, oh, yeah, you never know. Yeah, So, I'm 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.480 so you had only just seen this very recently, very recently. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:17.599 Yeah wow, what were You're just kind of like initial thoughts. So, okay, 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:21.240 I have a relationship with it. I feel like every 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:26.040 person doing adult entertainment during this time has a relationship 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:30.640 with this movie somehow. Like, um, so I opened for 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.120 jack Is stripper a k. Jacqueline Francis a k a. Jackie, 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.960 the cute blonde who's Jennifer Lopez is grabs her boobs, which, 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.839 by the way, I can't believe Jacqueline was not shouting 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.520 that from the rooftops as soon as it happened until 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:45.719 for the rest of her life. I'm like, why isn't 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.560 that like the main part of your brand? Now? I 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.599 don't understand. Maybe she had to like sign a boob 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.120 grabbing n DA is the kind of famous that I'm like, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.039 there could be an n D A for anything. Sure, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.360 so I knew that Jack was in aolved in the 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.520 process of making this film, I did not realize she 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.760 had as much screen time as she did, which was 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.800 really freaking cool. It's just in and of itself, that 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.600 movie existing and what happened to get it made, and 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.400 the fact that real sex workers were involved and real 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.800 strippers were involved in the making of this movie is important. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.120 And I was worried that that sort of policy and 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.520 procedural element of which I am very into all of 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:29.800 those things, particularly as an activist, would somehow not translate 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:32.360 to a good movie that I was that I was 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.800 stoked to watch, I was. I was worried, but it 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:39.680 sure did. It sure did to me. Yeah, to me, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.080 this felt like the dirty dancing for adult entertainers, Like 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.839 the It was like, it's not a coming of age story. 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.080 It is that, but it's it's more than that. It's 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:52.760 a love story about love that is so meaningful and 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.400 so unspeakable that like, I can't even like, unless we 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.920 had this movie to be to talk about and look at, 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.400 I feel like I would not be able to communicate 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.919 the type of relationship between women that the adult industry 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:11.000 can create. And that's what this movie is about. I think, Oh, 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:14.719 I'm so glad you liked it. Yeah, Jamie, what's your 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.839 relationship with it? I've seen this movie a couple of times. 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.560 I was really really excited for it to come out 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.000 for a lot of reasons. I mean, because it's the 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:28.640 subject matter is not something you get to see addressed 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.280 in depth, much less in like I don't know. I mean, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.760 I remember seeing the trailer for this movie and being like, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.000 this movie is going to be like heavy, but it's 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:39.640 gonna be a fucking blast too. And I really like 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:44.240 movies that address class and inequality and in a way 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.159 that doesn't feel like they're bashing you over the head 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.440 with it, and also in a way that isn't just 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.039 like and here are the white guys that made the 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.080 whoopsie Like it's it's so cool to see. I don't 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.680 think I've ever seen a movie about this period of 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:04.680 time that focused on first of all, women, much less 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:09.280 New York strippers Like it's such it just takes every 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.520 box for me. And I was really excited that it 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.360 was written and directed by Lorraine Scafaria too, because she's 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:19.679 so talented and she's been at it forever and um, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.840 I'm excited to talk about the production of this movie 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.000 because she really had to fight to be able to 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.680 even they wanted Martin Scorsese torect direct this movie, like 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.360 all this ship that I'm just this is the kind 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.320 of movie where you're like, it's I'm just so happy 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.920 that it got made, and it seems like it got 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.239 made the way that the creators and the consultants wanted 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:44.600 it to be. So I'm stoked. It was such a 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.320 pleasure to rewatch it. What about you, Caitlin, Yeah, I've 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.840 seen it a couple of times. On two I saw 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.520 it in theaters with my AMC a list thing that 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.960 is not a sponsor of our show, but it might 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.520 as well be. They really should give us three memberships 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:07.840 they you hear that, Mr AMC. Anyway, AMC is a 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:15.000 girl boss. It's miss ms ms AMC, Abigail Mallory Christian 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:20.920 is her name, and she and she's her nightmare. It's 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.720 a metaphor um. So, yeah, I saw in theaters and 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.160 then I've watched We watched it twice to prep for 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:31.320 this episode, and I also can't wait to watch it again, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:36.400 Like this is going to be in my rotation. It's 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.680 an instant classic, like instant classic, it's so entertaining, it's 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:46.320 so watchable. The soundtrack is soundtrack. Just I woke up 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.280 with all of those songs in my head this morning, 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:52.000 like and I loved how of the time it was, 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.400 even though those are like very recent oldies like the 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.640 Lord the Lord album and just like the two back 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.640 to back Frankie Valley song by the way, I think 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.440 he Valley is like one of the first concerts like 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.640 in real life of freaking love that moment. But yeah, 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.840 the soundtrack is lit. It's so good. I feel like 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.280 it's I don't know, this movie is doing so much right, 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.520 but I feel like it's so hard to make a 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.040 period piece where it doesn't feel like either it's it's 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.600 either like kind of unclear when the movie is taking place, 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.840 or it's so clear that it feels condescending, where I'm like, 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:31.520 I understand what was, But like with this movie, it's 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.679 it's like the recent past, but I feel like they do. 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.760 Like I felt like the most ham fisted thing out 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:39.240 of everything, which I still liked, was like panning to 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:43.160 like the first season of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, Like, okay, 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.439 get it, but that places us very specifically, not only 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.480 in the place, but also in our understanding of sex 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.679 work at the time, and our understanding of like performance 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.600 and reality TV, and like we didn't have only fans yet, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.760 we didn't have like this, but we did have Kardashians, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:04.360 and that honestly change things. I really liked what what 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:06.680 the creators of this movie, and I'm guessing I guess 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:11.000 primarily Lorraine Scafaria chose to tell us where we are 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:12.960 and what and when it is. I thought it was 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:18.319 like just so many cold choices. Yeah, for sure. All right, Well, 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.160 should I dive into the recap and we'll go from there? 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.640 Yea and Susie feel free to jump in whenever. Alright, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:32.720 so we open. It's two thousand seven. We meet Dorothy 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.719 a k A. Destiny. That's Constance Wu. She is a 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.800 stripper at a club called Moves in New York City. 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:45.640 Ever heard of it? She's new there. We see her 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:49.040 on a typical night. Um she's giving some private dances. 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.800 She is not making as much money as she had hoped, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.480 especially because she has to hand over a lot of 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.880 her earnings to various men who work at the club. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:01.520 We see a little bit of her home life. She 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.040 takes care of her grandmother. One night at the club Ramona, 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:11.720 that is, Jennifer Lopez is dancing. She's very very good. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.120 Wait wait, we have to say what she's dancing too. 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:19.360 She's dancing to Criminal by Fiona Apple. It's one of 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:23.400 my favorite scenes in the movie. It's also, may I say, 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:27.160 don't ever choose that song as your stage song unless 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.200 it's like, you know, two pm on an afternoon in 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.800 Portland and you're like doing your thing and you've got 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:35.720 But like that, there were the two things about the 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.760 movie that like we're like cringe e to me, but 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:40.760 not enough to be mad in any way. It's just 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:43.800 like it's like your mom who's really trying very hard 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.800 to accept you as you are and be into your 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.160 new life. Like that is the performance that Jennifer Lopez 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:53.000 gives us as Ramona, right, Like she's like her the 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:57.840 pole trick sequence and like everything she does is technically perfect, 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:04.840 and like like not, I'm so curious to hear what 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.760 because to me, to me, no, I mean I'm curious. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:11.000 I mean it's like, yeah, the fun the funeral Apple 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.120 Tics was like this might just be a song that 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.360 the director likes, but and I also really like as 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.960 I was stoked, it's a song that like sex workers like, 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.120 and like at the Lusty Lady, which is where you 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.400 know where the dancers can control the music and such 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.880 like absolutely put on that song, but like the type 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.520 of reaction that Ramon was getting with like the money 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.640 going every right. I mean, if you can get that 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.839 kind of reaction with a stage dance to Criminal, like 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.920 do it of course, but that like it did not 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:40.760 ring true to me in the same way that like 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.000 propol tricks did not ring true. And someone's like, yes, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:44.760 that is how you do that dance move? Is that 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:49.880 how you extract money out of a human? I know 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.439 it's not in my opinion. In my opinion as someone 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.800 who has extracted money out of many humans, like you 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.880 know better than such moves, and like I don't do 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:02.520 moves that good, but I made plenty of I will 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.719 say about, like you know, whether or not Criminal is 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.480 a good good choice. I'm sure there will be plenty 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.040 of strippers that listener like, yeah, that's that, I'm so 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.120 much money with that song, please go for it. But 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.720 I do think that that moment when we see Ramona, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.400 we see her through Justiny's eyes. It's that moment when 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:23.000 like the reality of what was actually happening in that moment, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.840 whether she chose Criminal or whether like and that's possibly 0:13:25.840 --> 0:13:28.520 why it was Criminal. That's a song that like I 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:30.959 would choose for like the girl I like to dance 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.280 for me, you know, and so like we see her 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.360 through those eyes of like, oh man, this is the way, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:43.160 this is what the fantasy fulfilled. She's like mesmerized by 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:49.360 Ramona's performance. I really love movie moments like that where 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.640 you just see like it's just fun to see like 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.560 women looking at each other and really just being like 0:13:55.679 --> 0:14:00.320 completely taken in by like another woman's persona or just 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.360 like what she can do. And I was thinking about 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.840 it because this is like different contexts mostly, but we 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.080 just did an episode on Chicago and you kind of 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.520 get like a similar moment where it's like I want 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.160 to be your best friend, but I also want to 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.520 be you, Like how do you do what you do? 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.240 Like they're just can we exist in the same realm 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:24.880 without destroying each other? Like let's try. So she is 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.880 dancing to Criminal by Fiona Apple and people are throwing 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:35.400 tons of money at her, and Destiny is like idolizing 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.000 her and her moves. So then we've got that rooftop 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.520 scene that we alluded to in our amazing introduction to 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:48.120 this episode, where Destiny goes up to Ramona asks for 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.680 some pointers and then Ramona is like, yeah, I'll show 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:53.920 you the ropes and maybe we could even work together. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.960 Then we cut to seven years later where Destiny is 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:02.800 being interviewed by a journalist named Elizabeth played by Julia Stiles. 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.120 Was not I always forget that she's in the movie, 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.920 and every time I see it, I'm like, oh, yeah, same. 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:13.160 I would say, it's like, what makes this a dance 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:18.360 movie is Julia Stiles. She's a little throwback. She is 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:21.560 Shannon and that like that with like the neon pink 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.080 and also the fundamentally all of the dancing in the film. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:26.760 I'm gonna say this is a dance movie, which is 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:31.160 like possibly my favorite genre film. The casting of this 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:34.080 movie is so I guess it took two years to 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.400 cast this movie. They like really took their time, and 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.680 I feel like it shows like the casting choices. And 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.120 Julia Stiles was like hell bent on being in this movie. 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:46.160 She was like, I don't care what role I'm in it, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.400 I will do anything to be in this movie Saved 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:55.640 the Last Dance from Me. So this journalist is interviewing 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:01.240 Destiny about this kind of former life she has because 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:06.040 when we see her in or whenever it is, she's 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.040 like has a haircut and it's like wearing like a 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.560 more conservative outfit and she's in like an h G 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:16.160 t V. Living. Yeah, so she seems to be living 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.000 like a different lifestyle now. And Elizabeth, the journalist, asks 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.080 about when things got out of control. So then we 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.240 cut back to two thousand seven, but the movie periodically 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:31.240 cuts back to this interview that's happening. So back in 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:36.520 two thousand seven, Ramona teaches Destiny some moves. They start 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.400 dancing together, they get very strategic about the men they 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.880 target at the club. They start making a lot more money, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.840 mostly from rich Wall Street guys, and then one night 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:55.960 from Usher okay, wait, okay, stop again that So that 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.160 scene is so wild. I mean, I guess that, like, 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.080 if you were to think of the most two thousand 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:08.280 seven scenario you could, this would be it. I love 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.399 that there's no other like she describes it as like 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.000 that was the last night it was good, and that 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:15.960 is the like the point it serves it within the plot, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.720 but other than that, no, we never see Usher again. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:20.960 It's just like sometimes celebrities coming to the strip club 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.440 and spend tons of money and it's an unforgettable night. 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.440 I remember when Tears back to back at Avien, Little 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.199 Wayne performed and then Cardi B performed and like I 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.840 got to dance on stage with both of them, with 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.800 like all of my peign star friends, And I was like, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.640 and Cardi B is a fictional stripper at this club Diamond. 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:40.159 I wonder if that was like her name? Do we 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:46.000 know if that was her name? I would assume anyway, Um, yeah, 0:17:46.040 --> 0:17:50.480 I love that. The Usher sequence is a fever dream 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:54.760 that is It's true. I'm sure that happened, you know, Yeah, totally. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.560 I just love that. I don't know. You just never 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:02.040 expect to see Usher. You just don't. It's it's a 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.080 thrill every single time. And he isn't a lot of 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.280 He makes cameos in a lot of movies, sometimes as himself, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:14.359 such as Hustlers, and sometimes as the DJ from Oh 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.520 my God, which movie is it? Is it? Um, she's 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.000 all that, she's all that, Yeah, she's all that. Yeah. 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:25.200 I was like, wait, his heart So it's like twenty 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.080 years apart, but still same energy. He popped back up. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.160 He's it's so interesting. I wonder because I know that 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.760 it was Jennifer Lopez who talked to Cardi B and 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.080 was like, you gotta be in this movie. I love 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.840 this movie. I wonder how many music stars were like, oh, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.800 it's a j Lo movie. Okay, fine, I well it's 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.280 also a Will Ferrell movie, right. That's it's so funny 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:53.160 because I always forget that this is like a Will 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:56.600 Ferrell Adam McKay like produced joint. But then when you 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:58.440 know that, you're like, oh, it is like a movie 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.879 about the recession with like a very particular framework. I 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:08.159 guess Adam McKay's involvement makes sense. I always have to 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.840 learn who Adam McKay is, and then as soon as 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.000 I do, I promptly forget him and everything he's done, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.560 and then I have to learn it again like six 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.760 months later. So sorry, Adam, but I still don't know 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.160 who you are. He's listening. I like Ercoat, but he's 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.160 just like I mean, I feel like he's most known 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:28.919 as like big short guy. That's basically oh so he 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.840 like makes movies about the very stylized movies about this 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:40.439 specific recession. So yes, love but the recession he's obsessed. Okay, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.960 I did like that movie. Um, all right, so they're 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.320 making a lot of money. Destiny and Ramona have become 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:52.159 very good friends. We learn that Ramona has aspirations to 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:55.639 design swimwear. Um. We learned that she has a like 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:01.560 tween age daughter who she'll do absolutely anything for. We 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.840 learned that Destiny decides to go back to school. On 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.280 the side, she's she's still working at the club, and 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.040 everything is going great. Her grandma's taken care of, she 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:15.120 has her own place. Then the economic crisis of two 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:20.560 thousand eight happens, which obviously significantly affects Wall Street, which 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:25.560 in turn significantly affects how Destiny and Ramona and everyone 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.960 at the club will be able to make money because 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:32.879 their clientele is largely Wall Street guys. I guess, like, technically, 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:37.720 if you wanted to, you could pause Hustlers there, watch 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.960 the entire movie The Big Short, and then pick it 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:48.399 up and it would kind of almost be an unbroken story. True, smart, 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.919 that's it. That's an entire his death. That's if I 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.439 were a history professor, I'd be like, I'm just going 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.399 to sit in the back today and we're going to 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:57.560 learn about the recession, and I'm not going to say 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:03.200 a damn word. So Destiny stops dancing for a while. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.359 She has a baby with her boyfriend Johnny. A few 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.000 years past. She is struggling financially this whole time, she 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.879 tries to get a job in retail. She calls former 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.200 regulars of hers to try to get them to give 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.400 her money. Um She's unsuccessful, so she eventually goes back 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.760 to the club, but isn't able to make the same 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:28.560 kind of money that she was making with Ramona before, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:35.280 until she runs into Ramona one night, who catches Destiny 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.879 up on what she's been doing, which has mostly been 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:44.320 going fishing, where she and a couple other dancers at 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:48.879 the club, Annabelle, who's played by Lily Reinhardt, and Mercedes 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.399 played by Kiki Palmer. Palmer, I love I have an 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.960 Adam McKay as she with Lily Reinhardt, and that every 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.720 time I see her, I'm like, I've seen this woman before, 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.240 but who is she? Kki Palmer, I don't have that problem. 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.280 I'm a Kiky Palmer stand for life. She's great and 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.080 she's so good in this movie. She's so funny. So 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:14.919 these women go to a bar, they find a rich guy, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.640 get him drunk, take him to the strip club, where 0:22:18.680 --> 0:22:21.720 he does not realize they work at knowing that he 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.080 will spend a lot of money there, and then they 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:27.800 have negotiated a percentage of his spending with the club. 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.080 So this is something they regularly do, although it doesn't 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:36.400 always work. So to kind of streamline this process and 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:40.639 ensure it's success more often, Ramona comes up with a 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:44.600 slightly different version of the plan where they will give 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:47.919 the guys that they meet a mix of ketamine and 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.840 m d M A the most illegal version of the plan. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:55.040 It's like everything's going well and then we're just going 0:22:55.080 --> 0:23:01.040 to ramp it up a little bit through poisoning by crimes. Yeah, 0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:05.240 like Ramona walking and be like okay, slight, tweak and 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.400 no one panic. I mean that's what it was like 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:12.159 in two thousand eight like one And also like in 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.679 two thousand eighteen, postessed a fasta of just which is 0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:18.879 a piece of legislation but limited speech about sex on 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.040 the internet and shuttered a lot of ways for people 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.520 to uh So, I mean, like this movie is one 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:28.000 percent about what happened to strip clubs after the recession. 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.119 Like I said, after I watched it, I feel like 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.280 the entire thing can be like summed up in that 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.840 moment um when she sees this the house mom um 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.440 working the front at the bar, and she's like, oh, there, 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.520 you're out here again. The house mom says, yeah, these 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:43.800 are all Russian girls and they're charging three hundred dollars 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:46.280 for blow jobs in the back. And like that was 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.080 North Beach in San Francisco when I was dancing in 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:52.400 two thousand nine at the Lady one Percent. And then 0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:54.040 like the fall out of what happened, I mean like 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:57.280 I started doing escorting and born and like went on 0:23:57.320 --> 0:23:59.520 to creat my own content and what I'm doing now. 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.919 But the fact that women moved from the club outside 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.159