WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Tarring and Feathering

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're about to

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate the subject of today's Short Stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>On Jerry No, no.

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<v Speaker 1>Never, never, Okay, we're not going to do that. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>just describe it instead.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. So we were just chatting before the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we've talked about this at some point, tarring

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<v Speaker 2>and feathering.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that I agree. I have zero recollection

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<v Speaker 1>of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we did. I know they covered it on

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous History, our colleagues Ben and Knowle. But I know

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about the stocks and tarring and feathering what

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like to I want to think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a top ten, you know, something like that, like

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<v Speaker 2>punishments or something from the old times.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Well, maybe someone will remind us. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>google it now, but I'm not really seeing anything come

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<v Speaker 2>up except for that live July fourth show we did

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<v Speaker 2>with Hallie Haglin and Wyatt Sinek and Joe Randezzo.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 2>That was twenty eleven, So like I don't even count that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's not let's just move on and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>tarring and feathering.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. This was a form of punishment and colonial

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<v Speaker 2>America that initially was done to criminals and then sort

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<v Speaker 2>of quickly was co opted and done to people that

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<v Speaker 2>they thought were you know, like the Sons of Liberty

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<v Speaker 2>took over and they're like, hey, if you're not on

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<v Speaker 2>board with us, and you're you're down with England, then

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<v Speaker 2>we might just haul you out in the street and

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<v Speaker 2>do this to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was a tactic of mop justice in colonial America,

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<v Speaker 1>essentially in revolutionary America, and it was so you so

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<v Speaker 1>did not want to be tarred and feathered, no, because

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<v Speaker 1>not only was it humiliating, it was also painful and

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<v Speaker 1>it usually was a ay by pretty serious beatings that

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<v Speaker 1>just the threat of being tarred and feathered could keep

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<v Speaker 1>people in line, you know. Yeah, and that's how they

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<v Speaker 1>used it. And like you said, it's used on criminals first,

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<v Speaker 1>but after I think the British really kind of stepped

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<v Speaker 1>up and its attempt to control and keep a stranglehold

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<v Speaker 1>on the American colonies, and that just kind of caused

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<v Speaker 1>the revolutionary colonists to bristol even further, especially like when

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<v Speaker 1>they passed the Townsend Acts, which were a series of

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<v Speaker 1>acts that really kind of put the colonies back under

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<v Speaker 1>the thumb of Great Britain. Tarring and feathering really stepped

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<v Speaker 1>up around that, So we're talking late seventeen sixties, early

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen seventies is when it was I guess the golden

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<v Speaker 1>age of tarring and feathering or in the American colonies.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope someone has a list that has named the

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<v Speaker 2>Golden ages that you have dubbed over the years. You too, Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. You feel more of a Golden

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<v Speaker 2>Ager than me.

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<v Speaker 1>A I disagree. I think the Golden Age is your thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just took it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the Golden age of our disagreeing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really funny. You really think that Golden age's mine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it as yours first.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, oh, that's it's your gift to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what someone will do Italian it's probably like

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen to fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's how you tar and feather somebody. You first

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<v Speaker 2>strip them down. Most of the times it was just

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<v Speaker 2>taking their shirt off, but a lot of times it

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<v Speaker 2>was or sometimes rather it was all of their clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you would brush hot pine tar on their body.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a substance used on baseball bats and Major

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<v Speaker 2>League Baseball to cause stickiness and also to waterproof ships

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<v Speaker 2>and sails and things back in the day. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was hot. It wasn't as hot as like our petroleum

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<v Speaker 2>based tar that we use these days, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>blister and burn your skin, and it was not meant

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<v Speaker 2>to be comfortable. No, I mean not meant to be

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable in the stickiness, but also it was meant to

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<v Speaker 2>hurt you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So pine tar melts at one hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>degrees parent height, which is sixty degrees celsius. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine hot pine tar and your skin would not

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<v Speaker 1>be would not make you happy at all. The colinist

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<v Speaker 1>would very frequently brush it on, and then sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>would pour it on, which would be way worse. And

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<v Speaker 1>as far as we know, no one died from tarring

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<v Speaker 1>and feathering. But like you said, this is not something

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to go through. That was the pain part.

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<v Speaker 1>The humiliation part was quickly quick on the heels of

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<v Speaker 1>the pain part.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. They would stand someone up in front of

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<v Speaker 2>a large fan and they would put a table full

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<v Speaker 2>of chicken feathers in front of that van and then

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<v Speaker 2>plug it in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like a muppet sketch.

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<v Speaker 2>No, actually, they wouldn't do it that way, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would. They would then bring out those chicken

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<v Speaker 2>feathers and they would dump them on someone to make

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<v Speaker 2>them look like a big chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>And hopefully you weren't a colonial germophote, because that would

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<v Speaker 1>have freaked you out really badly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good point, like one on your tard lip.

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<v Speaker 2>No good. And then they would put them on a

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<v Speaker 2>cart usually and they would or or a wooden rail

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and they would parade them through town mock them.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they would hold up signs saying like what they

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<v Speaker 2>had done that kind of thing. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times there were whippings and beatings that

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<v Speaker 2>also came along with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And one of the most famous episodes of tarring

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<v Speaker 1>and feathering and Colonial America took place on top of

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<v Speaker 1>John Malcolm, a customs official. And I say, we take

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<v Speaker 1>a break and we'll come back and tell the sorry

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<v Speaker 1>story of the tarring and feathering of John Malcolm.

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<v Speaker 2>As why s k as.

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<v Speaker 1>Should know, definitely should know child of y S.

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<v Speaker 2>K all Right, Josh promised a specific case of tarring

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<v Speaker 2>and feathering. It's probably the most egregious famous case when

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<v Speaker 2>customs official John Malcolm hit a supporter of the Patriots

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<v Speaker 2>there in Boston. And I don't mean a Tom Brady fan,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the og Patriots. This is in seventeen seventy four,

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<v Speaker 2>in January, and the mob got ahold of him. They

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<v Speaker 2>tarred and feathered him. And this is quotes from an

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<v Speaker 2>actual article from the time. Quote punched with wh a

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<v Speaker 2>long pole, beaten with clubs, capital c led to Liberty tree.

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<v Speaker 2>They're whipped with cords and though a very cold night,

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<v Speaker 2>led onto the gallows, then whipped again.

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<v Speaker 1>And because that tarring and feathering caused such burns and blisters, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>they say his flesh comes off his back in steaks.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked all over for what that use of steaks was,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find it, but just suffice to say his flush

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<v Speaker 1>was coming off his back very easily.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would think steaks like you would eat, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's spelled st A k E.

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<v Speaker 1>S no idea hm. So John Malcolm, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>real piece of work. Don't feel too sorry for him.

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<v Speaker 1>The person that he's struck in the street. That led

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<v Speaker 1>to his tarring and feathering interceded when John Malcolm was

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<v Speaker 1>threatening a boy, right, So he was not the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>guy ever. And if that doesn't really kind of tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what kind of person John Malcolm was. That tarring

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<v Speaker 1>and feathering was his second in two years he was

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<v Speaker 1>tarred and feathered. He was a tax collector of customs

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<v Speaker 1>official I think customs official right, and he was just

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<v Speaker 1>a real jerk from what I can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he would be what's that Reddit? Who's the a hole?

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<v Speaker 2>Or am I the a hole? He'd be very popular

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<v Speaker 2>thread on that one. Probably people would be like, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that was not the first one though, that's just merely

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<v Speaker 2>the most famous. The first one was in seventeen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 2>eight years before this, in Norfolk, Virginia, when a William Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a sea captain, and this is another great quote,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote this down that seven men, including the mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>had bedaubed my body and face all over with tar

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<v Speaker 2>and afterwards threw feathers upon.

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<v Speaker 1>Me the mayor. Can't you see him being like you're

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<v Speaker 1>the mayor? The Mayor's like so eruh. So they also

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<v Speaker 1>threw rotten eggs at him stones. They then they humiliated

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<v Speaker 1>him by carting him through every street in the town

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<v Speaker 1>with two drums beating, so they weren't trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>this subtly. And then they tossed him off a wharf

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<v Speaker 1>where he nearly drowned from what I read, and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that he was tired and feathered is that he

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<v Speaker 1>had been accused of tipping off a royal official about

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<v Speaker 1>smuggling going on, and the Patriots the Whigs did not

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<v Speaker 1>take very kindly to that kind of thing. And because

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<v Speaker 1>it worked so well, the Sons of Liberty and just

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<v Speaker 1>Bostonians in general started adopting tarring and feathering three years

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<v Speaker 1>after Williams Smith T andF episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Not P ANDV.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's tell them a little bit about the who

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<v Speaker 1>got tard each other, Like we said, customs officials, that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff, people who were not loyal to the revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>people who are more loyal to the crown still, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was like a even among those people, there was

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<v Speaker 1>still just a certain subset that were true targets of

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<v Speaker 1>tarring and feathering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was sort of a carve out for the

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<v Speaker 2>Brits or the colonial Brits. I guess that were of

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<v Speaker 2>a little higher status. It wasn't They still had this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of reverence for that social structure going on. And

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<v Speaker 2>so if you were an officer, a British officer, or

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<v Speaker 2>if you were loyal to the crown and you were

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<v Speaker 2>wealthy or something, or just of a higher class, you

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<v Speaker 2>would not be tart and feathered. It was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just for the under classes and the lower classes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>working class, middle class, kind of in the same way

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<v Speaker 2>I saw. I'm not sure where you got this, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was likened to the fact that you wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>challenged to a duel if you wanted to get revenge

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<v Speaker 2>on someone, if they were a lower class you would

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<v Speaker 2>just like, you know, get in a fight or horsewhip

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<v Speaker 2>them or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was an insult that really played up that

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<v Speaker 1>person's inferior social status.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it took There was one last instance of tarring

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<v Speaker 1>and feathering that took clear it in the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Alabama in nineteen eighty one, that's impossible, No,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, it's not. So there was a woman named

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<v Speaker 1>Marietta Macklway and her sister got their hands on a

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<v Speaker 1>woman named Elizabeth Jamison, and Elizabeth Jamison was going to

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<v Speaker 1>marry Marietta Macklway's ex husband later that week, and so

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<v Speaker 1>Marietta and her sister held Elizabeth at shotgun point and

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<v Speaker 1>cut her hair and tarred and feathered her in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty one. Wow, and you would think, like, wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>must have really worked wrong. Marietta and her sister were

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<v Speaker 1>both arrested like appropriately, and Elizabeth washed off all of

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<v Speaker 1>the tar later that week, got a wig, and they

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<v Speaker 1>got married after all. Wow, isn't that quite a story?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Where was that again?

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty one in Alabama?

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<v Speaker 2>Eighty one?

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<v Speaker 1>Nineteen eighty one?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you said ninety one earlier? No, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>eighty one's not any better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're like, oh yeah, yeah, everybody's doing that in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, No, that's still hard to believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're like, nineties, that's crazy. So can't you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>somebody tarring and feathering somebody just like Zach Morris or

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<v Speaker 1>something wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>A cosmic shudder? Yeah not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, Chuck. Things seem to have petered out a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, and we've said everything we have to say

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<v Speaker 1>about tarring and feathering. So I say short stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>that agreed?

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