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Speaker 1: You know, when we think of betrayal in marriage, we

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Speaker 1: often picture women as the ones left behind. But what

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Speaker 1: happens when the husband is the one who's been betrayed. Well,

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Speaker 1: today's guest is here to answer that question and help

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Speaker 1: men find hope after heartbreak. But before we get to that,

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Speaker 1: joining around the table, Cindy Johnston, we don't think a

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Speaker 1: lot of times when this happens to the man as well. Right, No,

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Speaker 1: that's true. How actually in this day and age.

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Speaker 2: True, However, that did happen to my father, So I

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Speaker 2: do understand that, but it wasn't talked about a lot.

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Speaker 2: So I think this will be really helpful because it's

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Speaker 2: a fact that that does happen for men.

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Speaker 1: And for women. Man, it's almost like, oh, you're a man,

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Speaker 1: get you know over it where there's.

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Speaker 2: Like be strong, be a man. Well know, they have

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Speaker 2: feelings and it hurts and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you're at the table because that

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Speaker 1: did happen to you and you can relate to we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about. Anna Kindall, you have counseled been

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Speaker 1: in women for years and years and probably for the

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Speaker 1: most part you maybe see or this is what happened

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Speaker 1: to the woman. But I'm sure you've seen what it

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Speaker 1: happened to them man as well.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 4: Before the Lord saved our marriage, I was the one

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Speaker 4: that was unfaithful.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: So you know, God had to do a tremendous work

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Speaker 4: in my life and in Fred's life. And we've now

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Speaker 4: been married sixty years. So God did it. But it

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Speaker 4: was a very difficult time for both of us and

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Speaker 4: trying to understand why that happened.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's almost like God took what you and

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Speaker 1: Fred went through and then turned it for good and begin.

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Speaker 4: To use it to help others exactly, and probably counseled

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Speaker 4: ten thousand cup from that.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Rachel Lamb Brown, this is important to talk about.

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Speaker 1: Men are important as well.

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Speaker 5: It's so important. I have two little boys. I hope

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Speaker 5: that they never have to go through experience this, but

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Speaker 5: you know, this does actually happen. I know, you know

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Speaker 5: in my own life where this has happened, not with me,

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Speaker 5: but with people I know, and it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 1: It's devastating, it really is. Dorothy Newton, you were kind

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Speaker 1: of on the other side of that.

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Speaker 1: In your book you tell your story about going through betrayal.

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Speaker 1: But I mean this is something that especially with internet

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Speaker 7: This is I was so excited about this show because

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Speaker 7: in my young life I can count on one hand

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Speaker 7: how many times it's happened where women have cheated. And

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Speaker 7: so I was like, Wow, what a profound subject to

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Speaker 7: discuss and talk about, because there's hope for both male

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Speaker 1: Well, and Cindy Murnot, welcome to the table. There are

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Speaker 1: men that watch Table Talk, Yes they do. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure there's some men that are watching that have felt

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Speaker 1: this single betrayal.

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Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, I'm sure they are. And it's hard

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Speaker 8: to even understand what they probably feel and go through

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Speaker 8: as a man. And I was sharing with the women

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Speaker 8: earlier that in my prayer time because I was betrayed

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Speaker 8: in my first marriage and so in my second marriage.

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Speaker 8: In my prayer time, it was like the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 8: whispered to me and said, stand by your men and

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Speaker 8: tell the world you love him, give him all the love.

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Speaker 1: You can't stand by your man, you know. The Holy

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Speaker 8: But it means like a god would to me praying

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Speaker 8: for him like that would seem weird coming, but those

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Speaker 8: words have stayed with me all these years married to David.

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Speaker 1: Stand by your man. That's good. Well, you know, he

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Speaker 1: is a nationally recognized psychologist and he is my incredible husband.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome the person that's going to talk about this topic,

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Speaker 1: doctor Doug Wise. Come on in.

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Speaker 3: Here he comes, he runs, he he Hi, ladies, are y'all.

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Speaker 1: We're good, We're good, We're ready.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's excited to see you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we are excited to see you know. From infidelity

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Speaker 1: to addiction, doctor Doug has counseled thousands through their darkest

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Speaker 1: understand the often overlooked pain of men betrayed by their wives.

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Speaker 1: So talk a little bit. You were kind of almost

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Speaker 9: Yes on it trade men.

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Speaker 10: You know, for decades I've been working with infidelity, and

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Speaker 10: an affair, he's a pastor, whatever the situation is. But

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Speaker 10: because they can get in about an hour and a

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Speaker 10: most men, believe it or not, will not.

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Speaker 1: Go to counseling what I was going to ask.

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Speaker 10: They will just suck it up and say I'll stay

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, and they don't realize that they got

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Speaker 10: They will leave the marriage or other become worse in

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Speaker 10: Remember, absolutely absolutely, and then he can stay in a

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Speaker 9: Enslave her emotionally.

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Speaker 10: man helps men, do you know?

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Speaker 9: Forgiving right, and they got to deal with the anger.

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Speaker 10: why if they're going to repair, because there's different reasons

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Speaker 10: why women cheat and it's not because of him. Let's

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Speaker 9: It's always the man's fault.

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Speaker 10: Okay, and women they use that narrative against us.

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Speaker 9: It's a lie. Some what cheats.

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Speaker 10: It's one hundred percent the cheaters responsibility for cheating. Now,

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Speaker 10: both people are responsible for the environment of the marriage,

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Speaker 10: and the marriage may stink, But there's other options in cheating.

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Speaker 5: Is there like a main reason that you see that

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Speaker 10: Well, the top reasons we talk about in Betrayed Man

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Speaker 10: intimacy and intimacy with sexuality and marriage is scary for her.

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Speaker 9: She might have had abortions or other.

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Speaker 9: She might have personality disorders.

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Speaker 10: There's many roads to why, but the choice is still

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Speaker 5: I feel like these situations always are innocent, and they

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Speaker 10: Sometimes it does sort off for that Rachel. Sometimes it

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Speaker 9: That's true whether it's men or women.

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Speaker 10: Right, Well, there's that, there's the physical cheating where they

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Speaker 10: But their heart's going out there because they're saying things

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Speaker 10: Or social media, nothing that's unprofessional, right, right, our social media,

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Speaker 10: men are getting trapped by getting on social media, which

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Speaker 10: is the devil's playground. First, surely it's a porn store.

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Speaker 10: But then the third one that's not often discussed, and

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Speaker 10: we discussed it in The Betrayed Man, is the neglect. Okay,

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Speaker 10: you can commit adultery by neglect, and that is you're

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Speaker 10: a relationship with them, your spouse okay, and you're protecking. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 10: it's intimacy intereaccias where you withhold love.

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Speaker 9: Okay, you're too busy for them, you blame them.

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Speaker 10: You withhold love, you withhold spiritually, you withhold physical intimacy okay,

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Speaker 10: and you are protecting you, you're not protecting the marriage

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Speaker 10: That deals with that whole topic, because that's the cheating

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Speaker 9: Well, they can get counseling.

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Speaker 9: That's the best help, the fastest.

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Speaker 10: As soon as she says, listen, it wasn't one person,

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think you told me about a

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Speaker 9: The intimacy interactions.

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Speaker 9: Well, it was astounding.

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Speaker 10: The book is called Partner Betrayal Trauma, and we had

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Speaker 9: Intimacy in erectionia.

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Speaker 9: Sexual causes that? Bad role parent attachment?

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Speaker 10: Like if it's a woman, she did have it attached

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Speaker 9: All of those can be causes. But again it's choice.

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Speaker 10: I can still say, you know what, even though I

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Speaker 9: Well, they go into group, they do the material.

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Speaker 10: There's a whole process of marriage work that they do,

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Speaker 10: sharing feelings like we do the dailies. You and I

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Speaker 8: And don't you think it takes both sides being intentional

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Speaker 10: Disciplines disciplines guarantee results. So many people want a simple

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Speaker 10: And He doesn't always answer those brakes like just just

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Speaker 9: So your intuition's right.

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Speaker 9: You you had the book. You had the book. But

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Speaker 11: Yes, you do it.

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Speaker 9: That's how you stole my heart. And it was it

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Speaker 8: Like you know, Johnny, don't you think the woman really

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Speaker 1: There was your appreciation. You'll be really shocked at how

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Speaker 11: Can say whatever she wants.

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Speaker 10: But we're talking about the betrayed men, and this is

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Speaker 10: how they would build their relationship. Okay, they build intimacy.

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Speaker 10: It has to be trust has to be established first,

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Speaker 10: and then you have to have principles, which John's talking

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Speaker 10: about principles that lead to intimacy and then a marriage.

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Speaker 10: I've seen thousands of couples who have experienced you know this, Uh, you.

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Speaker 9: Know that couples can heal.

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Speaker 10: Oh, yes, And it's miraculous to see the betrayed person

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Speaker 10: take responsibility and the person who was hurt and come

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Speaker 10: together and resurrect something that's even better than it was.

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Speaker 4: The amazing thing about when you're healed is like I

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Speaker 4: can talk about what happened with Fred and I and

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Speaker 4: it's like I'm talking about a cousin or somebody I

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Speaker 4: used to know there because.

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Speaker 1: You betrayed Fred before you came to know the Lord.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk about that Anna, you don't even

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Speaker 1: know who she is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I'm not that person anymore. But because I've

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Speaker 4: been healed, the pain is not there for me from Fred.

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Speaker 1: Has been to you. So we can talk about it.

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Speaker 10: Well, you could live in the movie instead of the photography.

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Speaker 10: If you live in the photograph of what happened the

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Speaker 10: car accident and you stay on the photograph, you don't

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Speaker 10: get to drive your car anymore. Yeah, okay, but if

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Speaker 10: you can go through the movie of healing, you can.

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Speaker 9: Have an incredible I can't.

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Speaker 10: Thousands of faces come to my mind when I think

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Speaker 10: of all the people whose marriages are better after this situation,

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Speaker 10: because it brought all the issues that were messed up

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Speaker 10: that they were talking about to the forefront, clean off

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Speaker 10: and move forward.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think a lot of mine was. I

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Speaker 4: went to thirteen schools before I was out of high school.

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Speaker 4: I had It's like, it's like what I learned was

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Speaker 4: that you start over.

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Speaker 3: Every two years.

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Speaker 11: You start over.

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Speaker 4: So the trauma builds up, and I'm in a marriage

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Speaker 4: and I think you start over. It's like my mind

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Speaker 4: was programmed in that way. Plus I didn't know the lord.

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Speaker 1: Well you were and you were basing it on what

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Speaker 1: you were feeling. Yeah, I'm just not feeling in love today.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get it out and start over again. Yes,

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Speaker 1: want a nderstand covenant exactly what about the person watching

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Speaker 1: right now that has tried and tried and tried for years.

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Speaker 1: What is the breaking point? What is the time when

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, this person is not going to change.

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Speaker 10: Well, if a person's not willing to take one hundred

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Speaker 10: percent responsibility for their choices, they're not going to change.

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Speaker 10: If a person's unwilling to find out they're why, they're

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Speaker 10: not going to change.

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Speaker 9: If they're unwilling to ask for help, they're not going

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Speaker 9: to change. Okay.

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Speaker 10: If they're not willing to have accountability like a polygraph

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Speaker 10: or something like that, they're not.

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Speaker 9: Going to change. Okay.

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Speaker 10: But if they have all those things going for them,

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Speaker 10: believe in them and work through the process and work

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Speaker 10: through your own healing, and happily ever after can happen

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Speaker 10: after it wasn't happy? Yeah, okay, And it's okay for

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Speaker 10: to go through the healing process and be a real

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Speaker 10: testimony of What.

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Speaker 1: About the ones who have worked through or tried to

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Speaker 1: work through the three things that you talked about, whether

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Speaker 1: it's physical, emotional, or intimacy inerexia, They've tried all those,

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Speaker 1: but there is no change in the experience a divorce,

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Speaker 1: and now they are ostracized because of that decision.

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Speaker 10: What would you say to them, Well, I would say

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Speaker 10: that as long as you have a clear conscience that

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Speaker 10: you gave it one hundred percent, you will never be

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Speaker 10: at the mercy of a critic. Ever, you will be

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Speaker 10: shameless and it won't stick with you. So just stick

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Speaker 10: with what you know that your heart has done. If

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Speaker 10: you've been true to giving it one hundred percent and

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Speaker 10: there's no response, there's nothing you can do about that.

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Speaker 9: And I would just.

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Speaker 10: Say that, you know, because you don't have to take

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Speaker 10: someone else's guilty or responsibility.

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Speaker 9: For the reading.

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Speaker 1: You know, you may be watching right now now and

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Speaker 1: you're just interested in what we're talking about because maybe

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Speaker 1: you've experienced it. But I would say that along with

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Speaker 1: all the good information that we're sharing and even this

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Speaker 1: DVD The Betrayed Man we're going to talk about, that

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Speaker 1: you can get as well. The most important decision that

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Speaker 1: you can make right now is to invite Jesus into

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Speaker 1: the process of what you're going through. And you do

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Speaker 1: that by asking Him to come into your heart. And

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Speaker 1: I know you're passionate about leading people to Jesus. And

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Speaker 1: I know that even in your practice, even though a

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't know what you base it on

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Speaker 1: a lot of Christian principles.

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Speaker 9: About taken home is great.

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Speaker 10: And if you want to know Jesus and maybe you're

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Speaker 10: in a mess and he can make it a message,

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Speaker 10: or maybe you've walked away, just say this prayer from

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Speaker 10: your heart.

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Speaker 9: Just say these words like I'm saying right.

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Speaker 10: Now, say Jesus, Jesus, forgive me of my mistakes.

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Speaker 9: Give I believe you died for me. I believe you

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Speaker 9: died for me on the cross. On the cross, your

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Speaker 9: blood paid.

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Speaker 1: For everything, Your blood pay for everything.

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Speaker 10: I make you lord of me right now, thank you

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Speaker 10: Lord of me. Right in Jesus' name, Jesus, and I

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Speaker 10: would just say, welcome home.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home. Amen. It's just that simple, really, And I

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Speaker 1: mean I've had people to write in and say, well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't really know what to pray. I just said, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: if you're there, I need you, and he showed up

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Speaker 1: and he will show up for you today. And I

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Speaker 1: just want to say that you're going to make it

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Speaker 1: through whatever you're going through right now. You're not alone.

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Speaker 1: And more than ever, you need to invite Jesus into

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Speaker 1: the scenario of what you're going through, because he's going

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Speaker 1: to bring a presence and a power and a peace

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Speaker 1: that you've never experienced before. And I want you just

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Speaker 1: to embrace that right now. Your dad quickly, Cindy went

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Speaker 1: through this with your mom, who's now gone to be

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Speaker 1: with the Lord, and it wasn't a repairable marriage. She

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Speaker 1: left and would not come back. He of course, ended

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Speaker 1: up marrying a wonderful woman, has been married for many years.

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Speaker 1: She ended up marrying the person that she ran off with. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but your dad made it through, right, he did.

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Speaker 2: I mean it was tough, but he chose to keep

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Speaker 2: on going. And although critics, like Doug was talking about,

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Speaker 2: there'll be people that criticized.

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Speaker 1: And they criticized him and he didn't do anything right.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and that's very sad. But he does have

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Speaker 2: has lived a very full life. He's ninety one.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful wife. Yes, or how many made it through that

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Speaker 1: time too?

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Speaker 11: I did?

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Speaker 1: I did? God is faithful. Yeah, your story is another

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Speaker 1: whole story. You can watch. We did a whole table

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Speaker 1: to talk on it. You can look that up. Cindy's

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Speaker 1: story is great. Well, we are out of time. But

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Speaker 1: if you're watching and you've been betrayed, I want you

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Speaker 1: to know This doesn't have to be the end of

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Speaker 1: your story. God sees your pain and he wants to

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Speaker 1: walk you through healing. He wants to restore everything that's

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Speaker 1: been stolen. And it's hard to believe that right now,

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Speaker 1: but it's true. And if you're watching today, that's why

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Speaker 1: the prayer line numbers on the screen. We have amazing

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Speaker 1: prayer partners that are standing by ready to pray with you.

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Speaker 1: And for those of you that prayed that prayer, I

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Speaker 1: want you to call. I'd love to send you the

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Speaker 1: book John. It's one of the books in the Bible.

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Speaker 1: It's a great place to start and that's where you

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Speaker 1: need to go next. It's get you a Bible that

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Speaker 1: you can understand and begin to read the Word of God.

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Speaker 1: And it'd be great for you to find a good church.

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Speaker 1: But just step by step, pray and listen to the Lord.

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Speaker 1: He'll begin to speak to you and talk to you,

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Speaker 1: and your whole life is going to be so much better.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're not going to have heartache, doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're not going to have trouble, doesn't mean you're not

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Speaker 1: going to have trials. But listen, you're never alone again

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Speaker 1: because Jesus will never leave you. He will never forsake you. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do want to thank doctor Doug Weiss for joining us.

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Speaker 1: To get the Betrayed Man DVD and more resources, visit

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Speaker 1: jonilamb dot com slash Healing Time. It's such a great

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Speaker 1: DVD and it's how long, Doug.

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Speaker 10: Thanks, about ninety minutes long. But it's like therapy in

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Speaker 10: a box for guys.

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Speaker 1: Therapy in a box is so good. Well, I just

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Speaker 1: always make sure to follow us on social media. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: Let us know our Table Talk is touching your life.

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Speaker 1: We love hearing from you. Can also listen to the

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Speaker 1: Jony Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms.

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Speaker 1: And I want to thank you so much for watching.

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Speaker 1: Thank you ladies for joining in today. This was really good.

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Speaker 1: We could have gone on probably for another thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: but I can get you to come back, probably as

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Speaker 1: a guest.

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Speaker 9: With those eyes you could have.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. Okay, we'll see next time. God

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Speaker 1: bless you, Bye bye for to day.

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Speaker 11: Well.

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Speaker 1: Addiction relapse repeat Countless people feel like they're trapped in

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Speaker 1: this vicious cycle, but it doesn't have to be that way.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest shares how the Holy Spirit can break the

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Speaker 1: chains of addiction and renew our minds to live in victory.

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Speaker 1: That's for you today, to stay right there, have a

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Speaker 1: great testimony, and no matter what you're going through, no

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Speaker 1: matter where you are, no matter where you've been, I

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Speaker 1: want you to know that God loves you today and

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Speaker 1: He has a plan for your life before you get

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Speaker 1: to that joining around the table. Cindy Johnson, how are

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Speaker 1: you hey? I'm very good.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 2: I love stories that show that there's nothing impossible with

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Speaker 2: God and hearing these stories and I know that people

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Speaker 2: that suffering with addiction can know that God can see

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Speaker 2: them through.

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Speaker 1: That's right for sure. Anna Kendall, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I am great?

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Speaker 1: And I agree with what Cindy said.

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Speaker 4: I love it that no problem that we have is

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Speaker 4: bigger than God.

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Speaker 3: Nothing has God licked.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Rachel Lamb Brown, how are you? I am good.

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Speaker 5: I love today's guests as we overcome by the word

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Speaker 5: of our testimony and I believe that so we're going

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Speaker 5: to be encouraged by just their transparency, vulnerability, sharing the

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Speaker 5: journey they've walked through, and it's really cool to see

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Speaker 5: where they're at.

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Speaker 1: Today. Yeah, Well, Cindy Murdoch, testimonies are irresistible. They are irresistible.

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Speaker 8: And I'm thinking about the testimonies throughout the New Testament,

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Speaker 8: when Jesus was here, walking and doing life, so many miracles,

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Speaker 8: we could probably associate them with addictions and different things

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Speaker 8: we go through in life because the withered hand, the

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Speaker 8: one with the issue of blood, just those people that

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Speaker 8: they had to have a miracle from God to be

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Speaker 8: set free.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and people can experience that today. Absolutely, Jesus is

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Speaker 1: still alive. Well, we're so glad to have Casey and

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Speaker 1: Wendy Treat. So good to be here pastors here from

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Speaker 1: Washington State. So glad you guys are here. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being here. You know, years after conquering addiction, Pastor Casey

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Speaker 1: Treat was blindsided by a deadly diagnosis and day he

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Speaker 1: and his wife Wendy share their powerful testimony and reveal

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Speaker 1: why true healing takes both faith and action. So talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your just come to know the

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Speaker 1: Lord because you were I said you were a wild child.

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Speaker 11: Yeah good, that's a nice way would say.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my mom used to say you hang out with

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Speaker 6: the wrong people. And then other moms would say, Casey

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Speaker 6: is the wrong people.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't really grow up in church or no church.

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Speaker 6: And you know, my mom and dad were together until

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Speaker 6: I was sixteen seventeen. Then they were divorced and right then,

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Speaker 6: you know, you're making life choices and then mom and

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Speaker 6: dad are not around.

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Speaker 1: And that's a tough time.

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Speaker 6: No excuses, but it added to the problem.

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Speaker 11: I would say this.

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Speaker 6: I was like so many kids with no purpose, with

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Speaker 6: no God, with no reason, no answer to the questions,

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Speaker 6: why why are we here?

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Speaker 11: Why go to college? Why work? You know? I had

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Speaker 11: no answer.

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Speaker 6: So my response was to just kind of medicate the pay,

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Speaker 6: medicate the emptiness with alcohol, drugs, whatever we could get.

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Speaker 6: And of course that landed me into jail and then

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Speaker 6: in a rehab center, and that's where I became a Christian.

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Speaker 1: So there was one person, yeah, that reached out to

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Speaker 1: you and shared what Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So the director of the rehab programs, an older black

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Speaker 6: man named Julius, became my spiritual father. The first thing

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Speaker 6: I remember, he said, big Red, you can change, and

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Speaker 6: that I was like, really.

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Speaker 1: Because you're tall and your hair was real hair down

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Speaker 1: all like daughters.

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Speaker 3: It was looked like that.

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Speaker 12: And skinny, and when he went in the program, you know,

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Speaker 12: he is six three and he weighed.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and forty pounds with hair down to hill.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 12: So he wasn't big instructor here. He was just so tall,

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Speaker 12: big hair and that's okay, so a rock star.

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Speaker 1: So Julias said, big Red, you can change. And what

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Speaker 1: did you believe that?

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Speaker 11: Well? I believe him, okay. See, and that's an.

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Speaker 6: Important point because sometimes when you know, when you're an addiction,

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Speaker 6: you're struggling with your alcohol, you got marriage problems, health problems,

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Speaker 6: you don't have a lot of confidence. But someone else

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Speaker 6: believing in you, someone else saying to you, we're going

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Speaker 6: to beat this.

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Speaker 1: And he was a believer. Yeah, so he knew God.

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Speaker 1: So he wanted to share that with you. How did

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Speaker 1: he do that? Ever? Did he share the gospel or

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Speaker 1: did he say hey, no, he.

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Speaker 11: Wasn't a preacher.

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Speaker 6: He was just a guy who'd been through it, prison, drugs.

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Speaker 11: So he said to.

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Speaker 6: Me, I get it, I get It's no condemnation, there's

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Speaker 6: no judgment.

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Speaker 11: I'm with you and you can change.

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Speaker 1: So how did you come to know the Lord?

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Speaker 6: So that next Sunday took me to church? Okay, and

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Speaker 6: that church is now are what we call the North Campus.

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Speaker 1: So it's amazing. Wow, we're still appreciating many years ago.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I was fifty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Two years ago. Okay, So when you went to this church?

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Speaker 1: What kind of church was it?

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Speaker 11: Pentecostal?

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Speaker 1: What did you think?

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Speaker 11: Lifting hands?

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Speaker 1: What did you think?

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Speaker 6: I had no clue, but I thought, you know, I

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Speaker 6: was pretty crazy for the devil, I might as well

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Speaker 6: get crazy for God.

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Speaker 1: So do you remember what the preacher preach did? Go

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Speaker 1: to the altar? Like, what happened?

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Speaker 11: Yeah? I mean I don't remember.

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Speaker 6: I just remember the music was lively, you know, That's

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Speaker 6: how I interpreted it.

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Speaker 11: It was not hymns. Yeah, and they were praising God.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know what pastor preach, but he at

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Speaker 6: the end said we're going to pray for those who

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Speaker 6: need the Lord. And my hand went up and I

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Speaker 6: got to say the next Sunday I got baptized and

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Speaker 6: filled with the Holy Spirit. And yeah, a few months

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Speaker 6: later I was in Bible school and met Wendy.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I was a living program too.

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Speaker 12: So what he was in a live in program because

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Speaker 12: he was either going to go to prison or he

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Speaker 12: had to do something so.

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Speaker 3: Because he'd already ruined.

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Speaker 12: Think about he'd ruined four cars, demolished them, and yet

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Speaker 12: God miraculously had saved him. He had it didn't break

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Speaker 12: the bone, but he also didn't hurt another person, which

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Speaker 12: is like pretty miraculous in his lifestyle. And so here

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Speaker 12: he is, you know, Julius who had gone through that.

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Speaker 12: Julius is daily helping him renew the spirit of his mind,

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Speaker 12: which is such a key.

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Speaker 1: But you're in you're in uh a Bible school.

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Speaker 3: Then he comes to Bible so you're.

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Speaker 1: Still because you have to finish the program.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So okay, Wendy, Yeah, I love So you tell you

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Speaker 1: tell the story of what you telled your mother was

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Speaker 1: going to be fine. I didn't.

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Speaker 12: Well, I had like literally, like I had said to

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Speaker 12: my parents when I was in high school, I'm gonna

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Speaker 12: but I said it kind of angry because we were

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Speaker 12: fighting about something.

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Speaker 3: I said, I'm gonna marry me a redhead.

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Speaker 12: So I go to Bible College and here comes my

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Speaker 12: red head and seriously, it just you know, like those

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Speaker 12: because I was brand new saved. Even though I was

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Speaker 12: raised in a good, healthy environment, I still didn't get

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Speaker 12: burning ken until I was seventeen, went to Bible school

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Speaker 12: at eighteen. He comes in one quarter after I was there.

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Speaker 12: I see him from Afar. We start to talk and

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Speaker 12: it was just, you know, there's just that I don't know.

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Speaker 12: I can't describe the fact that I knew that's who

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Speaker 12: I was going to marry.

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Speaker 1: You didn't tell him that though, No, no, he even asked.

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Speaker 10: Me how he did.

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Speaker 11: I'm glad she didn't lead with that.

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Speaker 12: I called my mom and I said, I'm going to

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Speaker 12: marry this guy I met at school and she was

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Speaker 12: like what And I said, yeah, but he's still a

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Speaker 12: resident in a drug program.

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Speaker 5: While was her response to that.

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Speaker 12: I'm sure she was not no good thing my mom.

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Speaker 12: You know, my mom and dads were in the Jesus movement,

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Speaker 12: so they had been My mom especially had been around

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Speaker 12: people that had kind of walked off the other side,

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Speaker 12: you know, so she wasn't negative towards people. She believed

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Speaker 12: people could change. So she did immediately, like you atlantic.

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Speaker 3: Drive up and save me.

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Speaker 12: You know, she waited and met him and meeting them.

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Speaker 12: You know, at the end, I have to say my

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Speaker 12: mom and dad, Casey was the best to my mom,

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Speaker 12: and he really honored them.

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Speaker 1: Wet to jump ahead. So when did you get interested

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Speaker 1: in ask her out?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How much time passed?

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Speaker 6: Only a couple of weeks we were in Bible School

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Speaker 6: and I asked her out on a date. But it

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Speaker 6: was a process because we could only date certain days

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Speaker 6: as Bible school students. It was very you know, Pentecostal

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Speaker 6: old schools, no dating during the week.

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Speaker 11: So we went to the library a lot, right, And.

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Speaker 6: Then I had to get approval from the rehab center

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Speaker 6: because I was under court order to be there.

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Speaker 1: So you really wanted to do it the right way.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, that wasn't about Wendy that caught your eye.

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Speaker 6: Well, Wendy is outgoing, fearless, so I'm like, okay, I

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Speaker 6: need to be.

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Speaker 1: Like that and fiful.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 8: Well there was that, of course, good for the eyes.

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Speaker 6: So I think that was what brought us together. And

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Speaker 6: then vision, you know, you start talking about what are

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Speaker 6: we going to do with our lives and.

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Speaker 11: Purpose and.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and at that time I was still just trying

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Speaker 6: to get my mind renewed and get closer to God. Well,

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Speaker 6: a couple of years later in Bible school, we went

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Speaker 6: to four years of school. Then we started about starting

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Speaker 6: a church. You know, that was a big step, big change.

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Speaker 6: I would tell people at the rehabs center, I think

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be a pastor. They'd be like, maybe, yeah,

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Speaker 6: that is true. Right, when God's doing something in your life,

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Speaker 6: you become so different than what people think you are.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, when you when you truly surrender, and you

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Speaker 1: always see it's kind of we're kind of like a

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Speaker 1: computer that's not hooked up to the Internet if we're

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Speaker 1: not hooked up to God, because he knows what he's

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Speaker 1: put on the end out of you better than you do.

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Speaker 1: And he knew the gift the talents that both of

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Speaker 1: you had, and as you surrendered and begin to walk out,

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Speaker 1: you know what those were. And God began to open

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Speaker 1: door supernaturally. I mean that's what happened. I mean everything

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Speaker 1: that you've seen with your church, even built a great

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Speaker 1: church there in the Seattle area. You look back then

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Speaker 1: and you think you could have never imagined that God

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Speaker 1: would do all he's done. Is that true?

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Speaker 11: Yes? One hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: You start redefining what's possible.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 6: We'll say this back with Wendy's story. Her mom prayed,

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Speaker 6: she read her Bible every day, she prayed.

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Speaker 1: So you had a grandmother that prayed for you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so my little little grandma Roxy would go to

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Speaker 6: a little local church and pray for me and of

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Speaker 6: course all the family. But a couple of times I

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Speaker 6: got arrested, my dad wouldn't answer the phone anymore.

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Speaker 11: Right, Like, I'm out, So I.

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Speaker 6: Called grandma, Grandma, I need bail money whatever it was

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Speaker 6: two hundred dollars or something.

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Speaker 3: And she didn't have money. She wasn't like she was,

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Speaker 3: but she.

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Speaker 6: Would bail me out of jail on one condition I

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Speaker 6: would go to church with her that week.

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Speaker 9: Now, I never got it.

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Speaker 11: I never heard anything.

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Speaker 6: It was pretty traditional kind of a religious environment. But

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Speaker 6: praying Grandma praying it was a seed.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, plant absolutely.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know you might be the difference in

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Speaker 6: their future.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to jump ahead and get to what

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Speaker 1: you went through personally. I mean, being a pastor, there's

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Speaker 1: so many stories. I'm sure you could tell. That's not

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Speaker 1: an easy thing for anyone that's pastoring this watching. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we love you and appreciate you and hang in there.

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Speaker 1: But you received a diagnosis and it was I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was life changing because it was not good.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So we're building a new sanctuary, you know, we're in it.

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Speaker 6: We're raising money, you know how it is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: One that you're in now, Yes, you were building that, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's this twenty years into your ministry, right right.

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Speaker 11: And I'm healthy.

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Speaker 6: I'm riding my bicycle, wind in our hikers you know

883
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 6: all of that.

884
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 11: And I had no negative symptoms.

885
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 6: But the insurance company turned down my application because.

886
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 11: Of health problems. So what health problems?

887
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 6: We had to do more testing eventually find out I

888
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 6: have hepatitis C and years ago there was no treatment

889
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 6: and my generation we picked it up in various ways,

890
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 6: but it became kind of a small epidemic in my

891
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: age of guys.

892
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: So so your liver had already been.

893
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was. It was shutting down.

894
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 6: I didn't know it, but it was failing because of

895
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 6: cirrhosis from this hepatitis, a small virus.

896
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 11: That just grows year by year. You don't know it.

897
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 5: So how long do you think you.

898
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Had for it?

899
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 11: Yeah? Probably since I was seventeen. Yeah, probably pick using trust. Yeah,

900
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 11: and this is what the doctors tell me.

901
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 5: So seeing god, you applied for that insurance, right.

902
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

903
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 6: The building program almost killed me and saved me, that's right. Yeah,

904
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 6: that's the story of a pastor's life.

905
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

906
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I got into a study at the eater

907
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 6: and some people say to me, why didn't you use faith.

908
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 11: I was using faith.

909
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: I'm believing God, I speak the scriptures, i believe.

910
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 11: In divine healing.

911
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: I'm taking communion all the time in the name.

912
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 11: Of the right everything.

913
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 6: And if there's medical opportunities, I tell everybody use it.

914
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wisdom. And I always tell everybody with each case,

915
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: whatever you're dealing with, you know, really praying, get the

916
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: mind of God.

917
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: On what he's leaving you to do.

918
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's what you did. Yes, okay, So you

919
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: were doing all of that, but you're also looking at,

920
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: you know, what medically can help you as well. Yeah,

921
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: and because they're giving you a good outcome for this.

922
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 6: No, they were telling me I would die young, okay,

923
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: and I would die with hepatitis. So we had a

924
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 6: doctor in our church who had connections at the University

925
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 6: of Washington got me into a pharmaceutical study. So I

926
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 6: took this treatment of like a chemotherapy, shots and pills

927
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 6: eleven months. I didn't want to tell the church because

928
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 6: we're trying to raise money for the new sanctuary. So

929
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 6: I said to Wennie, it's going to be hard to

930
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: raise money if we tell him I'm dying, right exactly.

931
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 11: So the elders knew. The pastors sometimes a small.

932
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Group of people, yeah, yes.

933
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 6: Sometimes you need to decide who will stand with you.

934
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 11: Yes, yeah, and those are the people you talk to.

935
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 5: Everybody needs to know everything that's right, right.

936
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: And everybody who's not going to say the right thing.

937
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: You need the right thing being spoken around here.

938
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 6: Many people just get scared, right, and so we'll tell

939
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 6: them eventually.

940
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, but when we win.

941
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 6: Right now, we're in the valley, as soon as we

942
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 6: get to the other side.

943
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 11: So yeah, that's what happened.

944
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 6: Eleven months I was clear, and it was hard on

945
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 6: Wendy because that chemotherapy, the fatigue.

946
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 11: Right, you know, losing a lot of hairs.

947
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: Going, wait, did you lose your hair? All of those

948
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: of it? What did the church say when that was happening.

949
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 12: Eventually I had to say something, yes, okay, that's how

950
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 12: they knew.

951
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: And then I started getting every vitamin, everybody protein, every

952
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 6: healing drink.

953
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 11: I had so much stuff, but everybody was trying.

954
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: So you went through eleven months, but then you got

955
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: a clear report, which was miraculous thing of itself.

956
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 6: Right, Yes, it really was a new breakthrough in the treatment.

957
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 6: Now hepatitis C is treatable. So I was a part

958
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 6: of the beginning of that process.

959
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: So amazing.

960
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 11: God used it in many ways.

961
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: And Wendy, tell me about what you're going through, because

962
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: this is like an emotional roller poster. Absolutely, because you

963
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't you didn't know the outcome. But you didn't know

964
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: the outcomeights, yeah, right now you know.

965
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 12: And I think when even people that are watching, many

966
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 12: of us are the helpers, the ones that have the reports.

967
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 12: You have the caregivers that you have reports about, whether

968
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 12: it's your husband or your grandkids or your kids, or

969
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 12: or anxiety about the economy, and you're walking things. Yes,

970
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 12: and to walk through him it wasn't easy. Chemo is

971
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 12: not easy. Anybody that has gone through that with people,

972
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 12: the losing, the way, and the emotional They would test

973
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 12: him weakly for his emotions because they said it was

974
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,919
Speaker 12: a suicidal drug, that it causes depression.

975
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 11: So obvious.

976
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 3: And he was, you know, he's renewing your mind.

977
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 12: You know you used the book, right you truly, I

978
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 12: mean renewing your mind, he says, And I love the

979
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 12: bottom line, it says by grace, because always by God's grace.

980
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 12: I think that in our life is being Christians, and

981
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 12: being married, and being parents, being grandparents and being pastors,

982
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 12: is that by grace.

983
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 3: It's always that. Oh when you first start off your I.

984
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 12: Will do it, and as you keep walking with God,

985
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 12: you realize, oh, forget, I will do it. How about

986
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 12: I put my hand in the hand of God, and

987
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 12: by God's grace, he would do what God had called him. Specifically,

988
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 12: he would preach, he would do the few things that

989
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 12: were really essential Father. Then he was out, I mean,

990
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 12: his physicalness, his ability. So I was like, okay, I

991
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 12: can handle this. But that's where that comes in. Okay,

992
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 12: Holy Spirit, I need to be a woman of faith

993
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 12: beside him, not a whiner, not a com plainer, even

994
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 12: though I wanted to whine. Yeah, and he could eat

995
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 12: almost nothing. Everything just turned to meddle in his mouth,

996
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 12: which people that go through different things, you know. So

997
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 12: that's where the Holy Spirit and God and the company

998
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 12: of the people that were in our friends and people

999
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 12: that knew that company of the church, I call it

1000
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 12: that stand with you to fight with you. You need that company,

1001
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 12: you need the Holy Spirit. You need renewing your mind

1002
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 12: by God's grace, because I've put my hand in so casey.

1003
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: In the marriage covenant. You know, usually you get married,

1004
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: there's that for better, for worse, in sickness and in hell.

1005
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: How important was Wendy in that process for you, right?

1006
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 11: Very important?

1007
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 6: And it's sad to see so many in our world

1008
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 6: that end up fighting with the most important people rather

1009
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 6: than fighting for the relationship. And so Wendy is a

1010
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 6: great wife, mother, pastor, you know, she she lives that

1011
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 6: she has it, and she's very strong helper. But still

1012
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 6: there's the worry that, you know, she's having to carry

1013
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 6: things and I'm supposed to be the man and I'm

1014
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 6: supposed to be you know, strong.

1015
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: So after it was a lot After the eleven months,

1016
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: did you start to regain weight and just your clarity

1017
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: and become strong again? I know that was how that

1018
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: was how many years ago that we went through this?

1019
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I was twenty years ago now, and it

1020
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 6: took a year to kind of start tasting normal food,

1021
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 6: get hair back, you know, But it's like a country song.

1022
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 11: You get your pickup truck back and get your hair back.

1023
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 11: With the Lord, it's all coming back.

1024
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I remember hearing you speak a long

1025
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 4: time ago, several a few years back. But what I

1026
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 4: remember about you was how how ul the word is

1027
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 4: and how you have always taught on speaking the words,

1028
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 4: standing on the word, believing the word, and that's from

1029
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 4: the Bible, the word exactly the word of God, and

1030
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 4: that changes your life. And you've been such a testimony

1031
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: of that.

1032
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: Renewing the mind.

1033
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: I mean, what a great testimony. And what verses stood

1034
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: out to you like during that time?

1035
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I have a list of healing verses that

1036
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 6: I still speak regularly. You know, next week I'll be seventy.

1037
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 6: So you have friends who talk to you about, oh

1038
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 6: have you been checked for this?

1039
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 11: Oh do you have that?

1040
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 6: You know, it's kind of a normal, right, We're all

1041
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 6: dealing with cancer and whatever, diabetes. So I'm always saying,

1042
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 6: he bore my sickness, and he carried my disease and

1043
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 6: with his stripes.

1044
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 11: I was one Peter two twenty four.

1045
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 6: And people say, oh, Pastor treet is so old school.

1046
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 11: He's still quoting the Bible.

1047
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's not old school.

1048
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 11: Oh that's like new school.

1049
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 12: Fly that's about the wins.

1050
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: And I love the fact that you didn't have anyone

1051
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: around you speaking doubt and unbelieved in those early days.

1052
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: You chose the people to.

1053
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 4: Be beside you so they would speak faith to you.

1054
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: That's so important too.

1055
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's the biggest lesson you think that the Lord

1056
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 5: taught you through this?

1057
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 6: Well, the Proverbs eighteen and verse nine scripture in the

1058
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 6: amplified it says, use every endeavor to heal yourself. So

1059
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 6: people have asked me, why don't you use faith? Well,

1060
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 6: I am absolutely I'm believing God, and I'm going to exercise,

1061
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 6: I'm going to eat right, I'm going to take medicine

1062
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 6: if it will help. You know, use every endeavor. And

1063
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 6: the other thing is keep your thoughts clear because no

1064
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 6: matter what battle, it could be a marriage issue, family issue, financial,

1065
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 6: When your mind goes the wrong way, it's hard to

1066
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 6: stay strong in the lorred.

1067
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 11: So keep your mind.

1068
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 4: You know, and sending those thoughts to you those the

1069
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 4: enemy keeps trying to send you those thoughts, but if

1070
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 4: you recognize them, you can refuse them.

1071
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 8: What about do you think that's what inspired you to

1072
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 8: write the book Renewing your Mind to point out.

1073
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, here's in the early years of my Christianity, I

1074
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 6: began to realize a lot of people get saved and

1075
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 6: never grow right. They feel like, well, I'm saved, I'm

1076
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 6: going to heaven, So okay, now I'll just wait till

1077
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 6: I go to heaven. But the Bible says to grow

1078
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 6: in the Lord, to grow up spiritually to work out

1079
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 6: your salvation. So all of that has to do with

1080
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 6: your soul, your emotions, and your mind. So that's where

1081
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 6: our message on renewing the mind came from.

1082
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: What would you say to someone that perhaps is new

1083
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: in their faith and doesn't really know where to look.

1084
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 2: Do they need to memorize scripture? Write them on cards?

1085
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: What would you recommend that they do?

1086
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, so don't start in Leviticus right or Deuteronomy. Read

1087
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 6: the New Testament and just get familiar with what Jesus

1088
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 6: did and what the New Testament writers taught.

1089
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 11: And then.

1090
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 6: Joan's always offering books to the new convert Bibles to

1091
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: people connecting with the show.

1092
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 11: You know, get a few people. You don't need everybody's material.

1093
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 6: You know, you need a few things will help you

1094
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 6: to start to grow, and then you'll get it.

1095
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 11: It doesn't take long. It takes root.

1096
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 6: It starts growing up in you and you realize, oh,

1097
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 6: this is what's happening, and then you're on your way.

1098
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 12: You know. That's why though in writing this particular renew

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Speaker 12: in the Mind, you know Casey has written this book,

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Speaker 12: he's written previously a book on.

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Speaker 3: Renewing in the mind.

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Speaker 12: We just did this one new and he said, no,

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Speaker 12: when do you have to write in there with me?

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, I don't really need to.

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Speaker 1: You do it.

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Speaker 3: He goes, no, you get to do it too, and

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Speaker 3: I left.

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Speaker 12: I said, okay, fine, thing about this, it's so we're

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Speaker 12: so much We walked this path for a long time.

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Speaker 12: So when we wrote this book, Renewing the Mind two point,

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Speaker 12: by God's grace, you can say to me when a

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Speaker 12: person gets a book that we've lived. We have seen up, downs,

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Speaker 12: in out, bad, horrible, unbelievable, okay, but how did we

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Speaker 12: overcome it? That's what we're constantly trying to go to

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Speaker 12: that place in making it simple, making it doable, making

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Speaker 12: it workable, so that it's really I can do it.

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Speaker 12: I think that is the newest Christian to the oldest Christian.

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Speaker 12: That is, Oh, God's word is there for me, and

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Speaker 12: I can do this. It's not impossible. It is by

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Speaker 12: God's grace. It's by you put your hand in the

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Speaker 12: big old hand of God that created the heavens and

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Speaker 12: the earth, and He gives you this strength. It's not

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Speaker 12: just by my own ability. A lot of times week

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Speaker 12: I can do it.

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Speaker 3: I can do it. I'm like, heyh yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: can't do it. I figured that out. Now, hope, we

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Speaker 3: can do it.

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Speaker 12: But God is helping you to overcome. So instead of anxiety,

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Speaker 12: instead of fear, instead of the I'm not important, there's

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Speaker 12: no value in me. Oh wow, God comes in with

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Speaker 12: his word, which is that's what we knew in your

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Speaker 12: mind is thinking his thoughts instead of the world's thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Like Jeremiah tweeny nine to eleven, this says, I know

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Speaker 1: the plans I'll tell you is to give you a

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Speaker 1: future and a hope and there are promises like that

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Speaker 1: in the Word of God. Is so very important. Well,

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Speaker 1: we are out of time, but I want you to

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Speaker 1: just be encouraged today and know that no matter where

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Speaker 1: you are, what you're going through, God is with you,

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Speaker 1: and no matter what your past holes, your future can

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Speaker 1: still be filled with hope because God's promises are for you.

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Speaker 1: There's healing, there's peace, there's purpose. All of that is

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Speaker 1: available for you. If you're watching today and you haven't

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Speaker 1: prayed that prayer, if you haven't asked Jesus to come

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Speaker 1: in your heart, I would just ask you to consider

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Speaker 1: just calling out on his name and just saying, Jesus.

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Speaker 1: I don't really understand what these people are talking about,

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Speaker 1: but if you're there, if you're real, I want you

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Speaker 1: to come into my heart today. Forgive me come into

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Speaker 1: my heart. And it's just that simple. I always talk

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Speaker 1: about My grandpa just said God, if you're there. That

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Speaker 1: was his prayer. He didn't know how to pray. He

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Speaker 1: just said, God, if you're there, I need you. And

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Speaker 1: God transformed his life and transformed the direction of our family.

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Speaker 1: He wants to do that for you today. If you

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Speaker 1: have a need in your body, if you're sick, if

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Speaker 1: you're going through a trial, if there's something going on

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Speaker 1: with your family, and you just want someone to pray

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Speaker 1: with you. We have amazing prayer partners that are standing

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Speaker 1: by twenty four to seven, always ready to pray for you.

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Speaker 1: To write that number down. We would love to pray

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Speaker 1: with you. I want to thank Casey and Wendy. It

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Speaker 1: went by so fast right then, Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 1: went so fast. Be sure to pick up a copy

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Speaker 1: of their book Renewing the Mind two point zero. For more,

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Speaker 1: you can visit them online at Christianfaith dot us and

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Speaker 1: Christian Faith Bible Church is in Seattle, right Andywhere else

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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, sit away in Mill Creek.

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Speaker 12: People in the Northwest, So everybody's welcome, very diverse, multicultural.

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Speaker 1: You'll have fun, full of spirit, great music and preaching.

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Speaker 1: So those of you that are in that Washington state

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Speaker 1: area you should check it out well. As always, make

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Speaker 1: sure to fall us on our social media. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: our YouTube channel for full episodes, exclusive content, and let

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Speaker 1: us know our Table Talk is touching your life. We

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Speaker 1: love hearing from you. You can also listen to the

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Speaker 1: Johnny Table Talk podcast, available now on all the major platforms.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. Thank you ladies, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Wendy and Casey. Y'all want to be gone for

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Speaker 1: so long next time and come back. We've got more

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Speaker 1: stories to share. But I'm excited about what God's going

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Speaker 1: to do for you, so you'd be encouraged today. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. By bye for today.