Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety seven,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Dardilly's Eye Guystay production of iHeartRadio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we, let's say, we take a
Speaker 1: little deep dive into america shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. My name's Jack O'Brien
Speaker 1: akaf No one knows what it's like to be this
Speaker 1: Jack guy, to be this thick guy behind plump thighs.
Speaker 1: That is courtesy of Blinky Heck, behind blue Eyes by
Speaker 1: the Who, which might not seem like the most appropriate
Speaker 1: song to open up our fiftieth anniversary of hip hop.
Speaker 1: I have a grim topic, but I don't know it
Speaker 1: actually resonates with me as for our conversation with like
Speaker 1: what the world would look like if hip hop had
Speaker 1: never existed, It would just be a lot of guys
Speaker 1: with blue eyes feeling sorry for themselves. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles
Speaker 1: br Let's fucking keep it hip Hop.
Speaker 2: Uppenheimer Girl in a party world.
Speaker 1: Life in plastic.
Speaker 2: It's bombastic, super heated air destruction.
Speaker 3: Everywhere, and imagine nation that is your creation.
Speaker 4: Okay, anyway.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Johnny Davis title God Yeah, biggip hop. Yeah,
Speaker 2: shout out to you for that one. Shout out to
Speaker 2: all the Barbenheimer's out there.
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I only got half of it done this week. But
Speaker 2: I will complete the other half.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, we will finish.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am all right, Miles.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined by a brilliant poet,
Speaker 1: political activist, academic MC and podcast host of The Mustless
Speaker 1: and Hood Politics with prop on Cool Zone. It's the brilliant,
Speaker 1: the talented Jason Petty aka Propaganda.
Speaker 3: What up, y'all? I might as well continue to tradition here.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's propaganda aka only win. And I get an email from.
Speaker 5: And uh, I'm on the daily SI guys, my name
Speaker 5: by post hood polotics with me. I sell cold pro coffee.
Speaker 3: That's prob a courtesy of me.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was a hard joint
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 3: Man. I was like, listen, I keep them in the holster,
Speaker 3: like yeah, true MC?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how many man you ever?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 4: How many writtens do you ever?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: If I'm sure you know you go to freestyle battles
Speaker 2: and stuff? How many writtens would you have in your
Speaker 2: back pocket?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: I mean I come from the age where you're not
Speaker 3: supposed to have. Yeah, yeah, I know, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, But but you get like you it's more
Speaker 3: like you have like a grab bag of like four
Speaker 3: bar eight bar, some kind of finish off things in there.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, if you get lost, you can pull something
Speaker 3: out of there, right right. But yeah, but like a
Speaker 3: full verse, someone's gonna catch you, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 3: then then you can never come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being like really disappointed when I used
Speaker 2: to think like mixtape freestyles were actual freestyles like back
Speaker 2: in the day, and like, no, they're workshopping like other
Speaker 2: material that's going to end up on the track.
Speaker 4: And for the real head was.
Speaker 3: On that that was that I heard Deadline?
Speaker 4: Yeah, those that Green Lantern mixtape. Yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 4: were workshopping.
Speaker 3: That kind of that kind of goes to like what
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about later on that attitude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that when we get there, sure for sure.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, what we are talking about today is
Speaker 1: hip hop. It is the fiftieth anniversary. We're going to
Speaker 1: just talk general thoughts on Yeah, how to go fifty
Speaker 1: years in. Yeah, so so what we like, We just
Speaker 1: listened to some hip hop and we're all to what
Speaker 1: do we think? Yeah, No, we're gonna, you know, talk
Speaker 1: about the history, talk about the best and worst things
Speaker 1: that happened to us because of hip hop, talk about
Speaker 1: what does a world without hip hop look like?
Speaker 2: Which I said on our text thread, does is that
Speaker 2: just a world without black and brown people? Because I
Speaker 2: feel like you would have to take away some of
Speaker 2: the vibrancy, the life, the energy, the rhythms of these
Speaker 2: cultures to then anyway. But I don't know that's for
Speaker 2: us to discuss. We can discuss ads. Yeah, very is
Speaker 2: more appropriate, like if it didn't ye did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we never fought to like keep it authentic,
Speaker 3: like if it just becomes like like we just gave
Speaker 3: up a rock and roll to where it's just like,
Speaker 3: all right, we advanced the we can't look we can't
Speaker 3: ever keep anything for ourselves.
Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, But before we get to any of
Speaker 1: that ship prop, we do like to get to know
Speaker 1: our guests a little bit better, to ask you, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about who
Speaker 1: you are or what you're up.
Speaker 3: To man, I wish I had something like fun, but
Speaker 3: like I've been, I've had to like continue to look
Speaker 3: for my own like name and address on the internet,
Speaker 3: and so I've googled myself a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: I can sense that to you do you need do
Speaker 4: you need that? Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 3: I kind of had like a like a serious kind
Speaker 3: of like stalker situation. And there was like a moment
Speaker 3: where I me and my wife kind of looked at
Speaker 3: each other because basically he found the dude found my
Speaker 3: wife's number, and at that point I was like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna catch a case if we don't fix.
Speaker 4: This, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so like I just had to like find
Speaker 3: all these programs that you can like get your informations
Speaker 3: your personal information scrubbed off the internet. So I just
Speaker 3: kind of check here and there to make sure that
Speaker 3: like you can't at least find my home address because
Speaker 3: if he if someone pulls up at the crib. At
Speaker 3: that point, I'm like, as well, yeah, yeah, take care
Speaker 3: of my children, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, somebody look out for my kids. Well I
Speaker 2: think I think you'll be all right. But yeah, that
Speaker 2: is like a really complex thing about the Internet right
Speaker 2: is like the right to like even disappear. That's something
Speaker 2: people have talked about for years ago, like do you
Speaker 2: do you have the ability to be completely anonymous? Because
Speaker 2: when you see yourself on those public record sites, it's
Speaker 2: a lot of fucking hoops you have to jump through
Speaker 2: to even crazy get to somebody who will be like, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll take that down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not even with Like I mean, I had
Speaker 3: to show that like a filed the restraining order, Like
Speaker 3: I had to like show that like yo, I did
Speaker 3: the work, you know, and finally the restraining order was
Speaker 3: even drama. I was like, ah, it's like it takes
Speaker 3: these many times. I'm like, man, like y'all like, luckily
Speaker 3: this dude isn't violent if you will, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So it's like.
Speaker 3: I if you but I thought Dan, like what if
Speaker 3: this was violent?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: How hard it was to actually get this stuff taken
Speaker 3: care of, Like it's a month but yeah, so the
Speaker 3: last thing, so I just had it double check like
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago to be like all right,
Speaker 3: am I still can you find my address?
Speaker 4: Right right? You know the dark side of the Internet, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Really is, and that like it's so much awful ship
Speaker 1: is said on the internet that by the time you
Speaker 1: get to the people who help with the stuff, they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they just seem exhausted, you know, yes, yes, Like we
Speaker 1: we had a couple things back in the day with
Speaker 1: like people saying anti Semitic shit that was like, you know, violent,
Speaker 1: and we like had a writer who like went to
Speaker 1: the FBI and it was it was wild. Like but
Speaker 1: like the number of hoops you have to jump through
Speaker 1: just to like get them to even be like all right,
Speaker 1: we checked into it. It seems like they're full of shit.
Speaker 1: They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. What is something
Speaker 1: prop you think is overrated?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh, family vacations.
Speaker 4: Is what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I laughed at.
Speaker 3: That, because you get it, Like because you get it,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. Okay, Miles, you on your way, buddy,
Speaker 3: you know, like you only you only you only got
Speaker 3: one appendage. Like once you get a couple of appendages,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like fam Like I like they're not vacations,
Speaker 3: their trips because I'm like I'm working, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I'm like I don't under and for
Speaker 3: somebody like me. You know, I was a touring artist
Speaker 3: for years. You know what I'm saying, So I travel
Speaker 3: for work. I mean I got a system. I know how.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You get to the airport
Speaker 3: at this time. I got access to this lounge. I
Speaker 3: know which bathroom to you. You know what I'm saying. Like, Yo,
Speaker 3: we got to be at the sit here at this time.
Speaker 3: That's where I park, Like I got, I got the
Speaker 3: system down. When you know, when you with when you
Speaker 3: with the queen, you feel me. The kids ain't listening
Speaker 3: to you because the queen's there, so and she don't
Speaker 3: care because she on vacation, so she gonna move at
Speaker 3: the pace she want to move at. Now I'm irritated,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And we spending more money
Speaker 3: than you know. Now you want some juice, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you ain't got no, you don't need to get juice.
Speaker 3: They got juice on the plane. Just wait till we
Speaker 3: get on the plane. But I'm thirsty now, right, Okay,
Speaker 3: everybody go to the bathroom because it's gonna be in
Speaker 3: the line. I don't gotta go to the bathroom now.
Speaker 3: We're in there. You and you and you beg for
Speaker 3: the window seat. You beg for the window seat. Now
Speaker 3: you got to use a bathroom. So you're finna make everybody.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, god, dog, you know you spending mode
Speaker 3: and you won't you know, it's just oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's just it's work.
Speaker 1: It's work. Yes, my kids like to go to the
Speaker 1: bathroom on the plane, like just to break things up,
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's just fun.
Speaker 4: Oh, just to be like I'm gonna get up and go,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 3: Because you're sitting there. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Okay, Miles,
Speaker 3: take that, Take that little new board, take that little
Speaker 3: new born on a plane. Wait till their ears pop, Like,
Speaker 3: good luck, big dog.
Speaker 2: I know we got a plane ride coming up in
Speaker 2: a couple of months.
Speaker 4: I'm like a little bit like bro, I'm old school.
Speaker 3: I didn't do this with my children, but my grandma
Speaker 3: definitely suggested.
Speaker 4: The little cat full of whiskey.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just got of like put him out rill whiskey,
Speaker 3: the bril so night quail. Yeah, just a cat full. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, night night exactly. Just a
Speaker 3: little bit of lean I found in my carage a
Speaker 3: little bit. This is not the official stance of the Daily.
Speaker 4: Pray though, just so you know, put that out there.
Speaker 3: But I get.
Speaker 2: I mean the other thing I read is like, you know,
Speaker 2: having like they could like a nurse or eat like
Speaker 2: from a bottle because that helps like clear a little
Speaker 2: bit of pressureize. But yeah, I don't so far, very
Speaker 2: chill baby. So and he's still in that phase where
Speaker 2: like he goes where I put him down. So basically
Speaker 2: that's what makes that's why I'm a little bit more like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think we can get through this. He's not mobile
Speaker 2: and like grabbing ship and throwing it. Yet when we
Speaker 2: get to that point, I think that's when more of
Speaker 2: my hair will start to fall out and more gray.
Speaker 4: Hair will enter the picture.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you got when they got opinions.
Speaker 1: Right, for now, you can just leave him at the
Speaker 1: gate to hold your seat for you. Will you go
Speaker 1: and buy stuff at the you know, to leave them
Speaker 1: in that chair going anywhere?
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you yeah, when you go when you get
Speaker 3: to that like super cool hotel that's like cool for
Speaker 3: the for the size that you need because it's for y'all,
Speaker 3: so it's not really cool. But it's cool, right, and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh good, our kids bed is literally right
Speaker 3: next to the bed that I'm with, so well there
Speaker 3: goes they go to love making because I'm laying right
Speaker 3: next to.
Speaker 4: My child right right.
Speaker 3: And then just go ahead and walk by that super
Speaker 3: cool bar because you're not gonna go down there, right,
Speaker 3: can't leave your children in the room.
Speaker 4: Like what I'm saying right right.
Speaker 2: It just reminds you of this ship that would happen
Speaker 2: actually when I was a kid, right, And just so
Speaker 2: this is like some real patriarchal type shit where like
Speaker 2: if we're on a vacation with like other families, like
Speaker 2: at night, the dads will go fuck off and get
Speaker 2: fucked up. I remember, Yeah, they will go do something
Speaker 2: like we were hanging out with the moms and I
Speaker 2: was like, how when do you guys do that. They're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they don't. They're like, we're drinking wine here right now.
Speaker 2: That we prefer your company.
Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, Yeah, and hear them to talk
Speaker 4: about junior varsity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, soccer.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But we you know, we we modern folks. Ain't no
Speaker 3: way in the world, ain't no way in the world.
Speaker 1: You discover weird parts of the hotel that like you
Speaker 1: didn't because like we're just walking. We're like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's walk to the end of this floor of the
Speaker 1: hotel and to check in every door and see what's
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 3: There's an ice machine.
Speaker 1: That's another ice machine. Oh my god, I'm kidding me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, family vacations, but it's like it's great when your
Speaker 3: kids are older and they're like, dude, you remember when
Speaker 3: we went to this this and this's like yeah, it's
Speaker 3: so cool, Like you know, they love it, but it's
Speaker 3: it's great.
Speaker 4: It's just overrated.
Speaker 1: Yeah at that point.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the that's the duty of the parent, right something.
Speaker 2: At that point, you are just the facilitator for their
Speaker 2: for formative memories exactly.
Speaker 1: But anybody who like you come back from a family
Speaker 1: vacation is like, ah, you nice and relaxed. It's like no, nope, exhausted, Yeah, tired,
Speaker 1: more tired than I was the day I left.
Speaker 4: What's so what am I supposed to do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Just like vibe out.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think you make it fun for them.
Speaker 3: You just that's why I'm like, it's work. You're there
Speaker 3: so they have good good time. You're not on vacation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are a servant.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're not on vacation. They are.
Speaker 2: I used to host like kids' birthday parties at Laser Tag,
Speaker 2: so I know how to be like the entertainer you're.
Speaker 1: Going to be.
Speaker 3: You're going you just have to tell your brain you're
Speaker 3: not on vacation. That's what I had to learn. It
Speaker 3: took me so many years to figure out, Oh, I'm
Speaker 3: not on vacation, right they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you don't have to worry about anything.
Speaker 4: You're just there there.
Speaker 1: You're fine, choose your own adventure where they're in charge.
Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 3: I guess almost on the same theme. I think solo missions, man,
Speaker 3: like whatever that solo mission is, whether it's a restaurant,
Speaker 3: a movie, a walk, you know what I'm saying, the gym,
Speaker 3: a trip, you know what I'm saying. Like, dog, I
Speaker 3: feel like fools be like sleeping on solo missions. First
Speaker 3: of all, it costs half of what it would cost
Speaker 3: number one, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I would say it's much less in my case.
Speaker 3: But yeah, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's a two fifty year old man, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, it's gonna cost so much less. And
Speaker 3: I say half because it's like, because that's that money
Speaker 3: I'm saving, I'll now spend on extravagant stuff that I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have bought if there was other people here. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, get the extra avocado.
Speaker 3: You feel me like, you know, take that, take that tool.
Speaker 3: You know what, I will take that extra bottle of wine.
Speaker 3: Feel because it's just me Like, you know I could
Speaker 3: do that, you know what I'm saying. So I just
Speaker 3: think solo missions. You could get an app you get
Speaker 3: an appetizer.
Speaker 2: You feel me like, I love how a lot of
Speaker 2: your memories right now it feels like you every situation
Speaker 2: you're in ordering dinner with your family, it's.
Speaker 4: Like I want to order this, but I can't right now, and.
Speaker 3: I absolutely can'stant.
Speaker 4: Listen, you gotta take what you get now.
Speaker 3: I think the thing for me is like I like
Speaker 3: I love experiences like I I realize like when people
Speaker 3: ask you like, oh what gives you life? And stuff
Speaker 3: like that, Like I like I don't want like objects
Speaker 3: like don't buy me no objects, Like I like, I'll
Speaker 3: get the I'll get the the object. I'll get that
Speaker 3: for myself because it's like I've already researched it. I
Speaker 3: know which little do dad that I want, and I'll
Speaker 3: get it for me. Right. But if I'm a like
Speaker 3: but if I want like a gift, like a treat,
Speaker 3: it's like I want to go experience something incredible.
Speaker 4: You feel me.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm the type that like I got
Speaker 3: a trillion tabs or like stars on my like yelp
Speaker 3: for every city. You know what I'm saying, because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to this spot they got the bomb dumplings. Right,
Speaker 3: you feel me? And I know I like that stuff,
Speaker 3: but I don't want to have to come to a
Speaker 3: consensus with everybody else.
Speaker 1: You feel me, I'm like I like it, yes, which listen,
Speaker 1: I enjoy this. I don't want to have to fucking
Speaker 1: negotiate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have to negotiate it. And then watch
Speaker 3: you get these chicken tingers and like you don't feel me,
Speaker 3: And it's just like even watching you get chicken tenders
Speaker 3: bothers me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like just.
Speaker 3: Seeing it and I'm just like I'm trying to show
Speaker 3: you the world. Like I'm like, like I'm from South
Speaker 3: Central Los Angeles, Like, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: do you understand what we providing for you right now?
Speaker 3: You feel me like no, you don't. The chicken fingers,
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, forget it. Don't come, just
Speaker 3: don't come. You're not gonna enjoy it. You're gonna mess
Speaker 3: up my time. So I love I love solo missions.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and we will talk all things hip hop, fifty
Speaker 1: years of hip hop, celebrate and ask where it's head.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: about fifty years ago, you know, so some stories say
Speaker 1: late sixties, but you know, mainly I think everybody's just
Speaker 1: kind of coordinated that we're going to celebrate fifty years
Speaker 1: this year, twenty twenty three. The founding story is super
Speaker 1: inspiring because it's like a lot of people practicing the
Speaker 1: thing that we now talk about as being like future facing,
Speaker 1: like people in a local community just like spending time
Speaker 1: with each other, like no real profit motive involved, just
Speaker 1: trying to like throw the best party. And yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was like this organic thing that came out of
Speaker 1: a neighborhood that the mainstream media like at the time
Speaker 1: was treating the Bronx because that's where the Yankees played
Speaker 1: and they had like a Pennant winning team at that time,
Speaker 1: and it was like this big story that like, look
Speaker 1: at this fucking hellscape, like people actually live here, look
Speaker 1: at look at these fucking pictures. You guys, it's a
Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. And like, meanwhile, the people who live
Speaker 1: there creating the coolest art form I think in American
Speaker 1: history would be my argument, but the best thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Mean you gotta, I gotta, you gotta give jazz props.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Uh just like yeah, it's been fifty years and the
Speaker 2: amount of cultural change that has occurred as a result,
Speaker 2: I think is really mind blowing. And I know, like
Speaker 2: when we were talking, like how do we even talk, like,
Speaker 2: you know, because they're saying, like, you know, people the network,
Speaker 2: like you want to do like a fiftieth anniversary hip
Speaker 2: hop thing. We're like, yeah, for sure, but what what
Speaker 2: what's important to us?
Speaker 4: I think in terms of talk about hip hop?
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's plenty of podcasts you could listen
Speaker 2: to that'll give you beat for beat, like the you know,
Speaker 2: historical timeline of hip hop. But I know, like when
Speaker 2: we were talking about this, there's so many things that
Speaker 2: come through my mind, whether it's like capitalism or black
Speaker 2: liberation or just joy from having an art form or
Speaker 2: genre of music that energizes you. I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we can just talk about one thing.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where do you want to start?
Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about man broadly? How like
Speaker 2: everyone's entry point into hip hop? Everyone's like what the
Speaker 2: best or and worst things had been the hip hop
Speaker 2: have given to you? Because I have definitely I have
Speaker 2: my experiences run the gamut. And not to say that
Speaker 2: I feel like hip hop has inherently done anything negative
Speaker 2: to me, but I will say being a teenager and
Speaker 2: looking up to artists uh in New York City who
Speaker 2: had a completely different lifestyle than I did, definitely led
Speaker 2: me into some interesting places as a kid.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do think like this is one of those
Speaker 3: topics when you guys had me on there, like there's well,
Speaker 3: you guys said that you know to come on on
Speaker 3: this like I've never needed less prep for a pot, right,
Speaker 3: like you know, And I'm like, really, you know, in
Speaker 3: some ways, like trying not to like dominate the convo,
Speaker 3: because like there's I don't know if there's there's there's
Speaker 3: not many more things I'm more passionate about than like
Speaker 3: what hip hop is, what it's meant to the world.
Speaker 3: And even you bringing up jazz is like the just
Speaker 3: the compare, even just the comparison of just like the
Speaker 3: the ingredients that jazz came out of are almost the
Speaker 3: same as hip hop, you know, whether it was economic, geopolitical,
Speaker 3: like it still sits in that sort of like you know,
Speaker 3: if you bringing up the Bronx, it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: like if y'all watched Warriors, like the movie, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they there
Speaker 3: was a blackout in the Bronx and there were slum
Speaker 3: lords who were destroying buildings. That's why you had the
Speaker 3: rumble rubble kings. That's why it looked like a hellscape
Speaker 3: because the landlords would rather destroy their buildings, you know,
Speaker 3: and get the insurance rather than make livable sort of
Speaker 3: conditions for these people. And on top of those rubble kids,
Speaker 3: you know, black and Puerto Rican kids through parties, right
Speaker 3: right right, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: y'all's economic you know, racist economic practices gave us this
Speaker 3: the same with jazz y' I'm saying, like y'all's racist
Speaker 3: economic things pushed us over into this corner and we
Speaker 3: created brilliance out of it.
Speaker 2: Right, It's what's I guess, just broadly, Jack, what's what
Speaker 2: is the best thing that hip hop has given you?
Speaker 1: I mean again, like very hard, very very like broad
Speaker 1: question is probably the art form that was the first
Speaker 1: thing that was like that. I was my own, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't know anybody like I was.
Speaker 1: I was living in the suburbs of Dayton, Ohio when
Speaker 1: I really started getting into wrap. Obviously, at first my
Speaker 1: first introduction was MC Hammer Police Hammer, Don't Hurt Them, right,
Speaker 1: And then my parents didn't let me buy the parental
Speaker 1: advice albums like because that as a yeah, like you know,
Speaker 1: they I would like through os Moses pick up like
Speaker 1: R rated movies or you know, they'd be on HBO
Speaker 1: or like you know, my friends would rent them at
Speaker 1: their house. So I was able to see those, but
Speaker 1: like I couldn't break through because that like you were
Speaker 1: never just incidentally like picking it up. You would either
Speaker 1: have to steal it, or like one time I went
Speaker 1: to the record store with like my friend whose parents
Speaker 1: let them get it, and I bought. And this is
Speaker 1: what I thought was edgy at the time, naughty by nature.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I finally coughed, and then I
Speaker 1: turned the sleeve inside out inside the tape cover so
Speaker 1: that the smart rental advisory thing wasn't on the front,
Speaker 1: right smart, But yeah, and then you know, once I
Speaker 1: was able to like make purchases and like buy everything
Speaker 1: I wanted to do, like Wu Tang was. You know,
Speaker 1: ninety three to ninety seven was probably the best like
Speaker 1: fan experience I ever had, Like best cultural spearents I
Speaker 1: ever had, Like it was the first brand I was
Speaker 1: like super loyal to. I add every single album cover
Speaker 1: as a poster on my wall. Every time a solo
Speaker 1: album would come out, I would like add that poster
Speaker 1: the you know, I didn't have the new Harry Potter
Speaker 1: drop as the thing I camped out for, but I
Speaker 1: still remember like going to the mall the day Wu
Speaker 1: Tang Forever dropped and like there being a line and
Speaker 1: like playing it in the car on the way home
Speaker 1: with my friend and just and it delivered, you know,
Speaker 1: like I loved that album.
Speaker 2: I have my cousin buy me that album because I
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I was thirteen when that came out,
Speaker 2: and I looked like a kid, and my cousin was
Speaker 2: older and he's Japanese and we were like I think
Speaker 2: we were in New Jersey. I forget why, and we
Speaker 2: went to the record so I'm like, hey, you got
Speaker 2: to give me the Wu Tang album and he's like what.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh okay. He's like cause they're not going
Speaker 2: to ask you, like they're not going to press you
Speaker 2: about being a kid, because I was like, they're going
Speaker 2: to sell it to me. And I remember this black
Speaker 2: woman was checking them out. He brought the fucking CD
Speaker 2: to the counter. She looked at him, she goes, you
Speaker 2: like Wu Tang straight up, and he got so nervous,
Speaker 2: even though it wasn't like are you of age, It's
Speaker 2: just like she felt like she's like what's oh. She's like, okay,
Speaker 2: your dad He's like he's like, oh yeah, yeah I do.
Speaker 3: She's like okay, all right, Like yeah, he goes yeah,
Speaker 3: they're nothing to fuk with.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, He's like, I mean they are for the children.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure if you've heard, but for
Speaker 1: the children, man, yeah, just generally, I think it was
Speaker 1: the coolest thing I had a chance to be a
Speaker 1: part of. Like, like you know, once it broke mainstream,
Speaker 1: it was definitely like it was outsider art. It bonded
Speaker 1: me with my older sister who was like way cooler
Speaker 1: than me, but like, you know, something to huh, what
Speaker 1: was your sister listening to? She was listening to like everything.
Speaker 1: I mean at that time she was hanging with like
Speaker 1: some straight edge people who listened to raps. So I
Speaker 1: forget specifically, but they made me a mixtape that I
Speaker 1: bet that's where that two thousand song. Actually, no, those
Speaker 1: ninety five, so it would have been well before that,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, there's still songs I recognize from that that.
Speaker 1: You know, we we didn't like have the albums, but
Speaker 1: we have like mixtapes, right, that's not when. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: then like she taught me like prep was a bad word,
Speaker 1: you know, she was like, you're not dressing like a
Speaker 1: prep are you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I love it?
Speaker 2: Take them dockers off, homie, yeah, prop what about you?
Speaker 2: I mean I can only imagine what you would say, Well,
Speaker 2: it is done for you? Uh yeah, life. It's given
Speaker 2: you the experiences of you had. But what what what's man?
Speaker 2: How do you I mean, how do you summarize that?
Speaker 3: It's yeah, you're right, it's so hard to summarize, Like
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I it sounds so cliche. It's on
Speaker 3: a T shirt, you know, but truly I can say, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: hip hop saved my life, like in so in so
Speaker 3: many ways, in so many levels. Like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been a professional rapper for you know, so long,
Speaker 3: but like I mean, I saw the world like hip
Speaker 3: hop took me across the world. I met my wife
Speaker 3: because of hip hop, you know me, and like you know,
Speaker 3: just my my friend networks to this day, like just everything,
Speaker 3: like it gave me so much. Why didn't gang bang?
Speaker 3: It's like you you know, I'm I'm in the age
Speaker 3: range that Jack is, but it was all happening here
Speaker 3: for me. So you know, weird, you know, going you know,
Speaker 3: you're eight nine years old, breaking and Breaking two comes out,
Speaker 3: you know, And but I could go to Venice, you know,
Speaker 3: so you go to Venice Beach and you like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what these crips and bloods is talking about.
Speaker 3: I mean that seems I mean, it's cool and everything,
Speaker 3: but that dude just spun on his head right right,
Speaker 3: and I don't there's that is the coolest thing I've
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life, right, whatever that is, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So like, you know, yeah exactly,
Speaker 3: I exactly. I was like, look what you're talking. I
Speaker 3: cut and I'm like, look that mirror you job by
Speaker 3: the I remember like going from my house and my
Speaker 3: grandmother's house. My grandmother, my grandmother took care of us,
Speaker 3: you know, all of our cousins and stuff, and like
Speaker 3: you'd have to cross where the ten and the one
Speaker 3: on one met over at the La River, right right
Speaker 3: right by Alamita. So that's where all the big graffiti
Speaker 3: stuff was at. You can't. You're like if you're a
Speaker 3: single digit age and you're seeing that as you that's
Speaker 3: like it's like this is larger than life, Like.
Speaker 1: We who did that?
Speaker 3: Who got to paint that? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I was like, I it just I still remember just
Speaker 3: the feeling of like I want to be a part
Speaker 3: of this, you know. Yeah, the clandestine again, the clandestine
Speaker 3: missions to like fat Beats when you know, taste was
Speaker 3: coming out, catching the bust to Melrose. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying to h to get to fat beats. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 4: Like you know it was or something.
Speaker 3: Yet hey, seriously, and that's actually a fly story. This
Speaker 3: front tooth right here, this chip tooth. Taboo did that.
Speaker 3: You know it was an accident, you know, because you
Speaker 3: need taboo used to dance.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, oh well I saw that all the time,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because I was remember.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm missing this moment.
Speaker 3: See a star right here, bro, No, but yeah, but
Speaker 3: you see these guys that now it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a preteen while they're you know, in their twenties
Speaker 3: and they're creating this culture. You feel me that like
Speaker 3: I'm too young for like Radiotron and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm old enough for like Unity Project blow or too
Speaker 3: young for you but old enough to go to it.
Speaker 3: So you see, you see dilated peoples when they're teenagers.
Speaker 3: You see you know, the far side. You see this
Speaker 3: stuff happening. Dass corrupt snoop, you see it happening. But
Speaker 3: they're the big kids, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: you're like, I just whatever that is, I want to
Speaker 3: be a part of it, and you just so like
Speaker 3: honestly that that's if it wasn't for graffiti, Like if
Speaker 3: it wasn't to find another tribe. You know again, I'm
Speaker 3: from the inner city, Like you find another tribe, that's
Speaker 3: not if you're not slaying drugs, you not gangbanging, you're
Speaker 3: not like a you know, I was a late bloomer,
Speaker 3: Like I didn't grow a mustache till college, So I
Speaker 3: wasn't I wasn't playing basketball, you know what I'm saying. Like, so,
Speaker 3: but I found my tribe, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And with that tribe, you could be a little more
Speaker 3: open minded. I could go kick with the skaters, like
Speaker 3: I could go to Dogtown, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Because we had hip hop, you know, in common. You
Speaker 3: feel me like I didn't have to like stay on
Speaker 3: the block and you know what I'm saying, and like
Speaker 3: be hard and stuff like that, Like you just I
Speaker 3: could be created it all, be artist. Yeah, she's just
Speaker 3: so you Yeah, So I'm like, I mean, obviously I
Speaker 3: could gush about hip hop forever, but ultimately, like if
Speaker 3: I were to solidify it is like, yeah, like it
Speaker 3: gave me a place to be you know that got
Speaker 3: me through you know, all this stuff that everybody knows
Speaker 3: about the inner cities in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, like, you know, being biracial and growing up
Speaker 2: in the San Fernando Valley, it's not like obviously I
Speaker 2: have my whole black family and extended family that I
Speaker 2: was able to derive my own sense of blackness from.
Speaker 2: But also when you are but they all lived on
Speaker 2: the other side of the city, like in South La. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and so being there, like unless I was on the
Speaker 2: weekends every day at school, it's like me and like
Speaker 2: maybe a couple other black and brown kids at school,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of my sense of like
Speaker 2: my racial identity was a little bit stunted because a
Speaker 2: lot of the communities I were in weren't necessarily looking
Speaker 2: like me or had the same existential stakes as I did.
Speaker 2: And I think rap was one of those like those
Speaker 2: first mainstream forms of media that was speaking just just
Speaker 2: pure unadulterated like blackness, like into my ears and also
Speaker 2: understanding things like the idea like you know, getting into
Speaker 2: more conscious rappers and actually understanding like hearing through hip hop.
Speaker 2: It really actually helped me make sense of like white
Speaker 2: supremacy or racism, police violence and things like that, because
Speaker 2: I wasn't experiencing them firsthand, but I knew based on
Speaker 2: everything my relatives say, well, my father would say, well,
Speaker 2: my grandfather would say about how they grew up, what
Speaker 2: their experiences were, that there was I needed a way
Speaker 2: to sort of, I don't know, I guess connect to it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And again helped me a feel like it's okay that
Speaker 2: I might feel like the odd kid out or whatever
Speaker 2: or good to whatever it is, because there is this
Speaker 2: much larger world where people are being able to like
Speaker 2: vocalize something about a struggle that is like being black
Speaker 2: or brown or just in general poor in America, and
Speaker 2: I think those things are all very interesting. They helped
Speaker 2: me like kind of take it, not take it so
Speaker 2: much for granted. Like in the beginning, I would just love,
Speaker 2: like I love, you know, all the bad boys shit
Speaker 2: and like the bling bling air and things like that.
Speaker 2: And then when like black on both sides by most
Speaker 2: Deaf came out in nineteen ninety nine, I was like
Speaker 2: in eighth grade and that's when like shit started like
Speaker 2: opening up and I was like, oh my god, yes,
Speaker 2: this is like I've finally finding things that are articulating
Speaker 2: a lot of deep down injustices that I'm like that
Speaker 2: I'm observing and couldn't quite articulate. So in that sense,
Speaker 2: like that was one of the greatest things to happen,
Speaker 2: is to really get me to see the world differently
Speaker 2: but also understand like where I fit into the larger
Speaker 2: context of it all and like what my place was
Speaker 2: in it and that and for me, that's always and
Speaker 2: again like to your point, that's always given me community
Speaker 2: because when I was in high school, I was a DJ,
Speaker 2: and I would like, you know, fancy myself a freestyle
Speaker 2: rapper every now and then if I got drunk enough,
Speaker 2: and that made immediately gave me community with all the
Speaker 2: Filipino kids who are the breakers and the DJs and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then I could go and again
Speaker 2: like to your point, you could go, you could you
Speaker 2: could enter a lot of different spaces because at that
Speaker 2: point in the early two thousands, hip hop was so pervasive,
Speaker 2: like it was kind of shorthand for a lot of
Speaker 2: people to be like, yeah, this is our cultural common ground.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that also again helped me connect to a
Speaker 2: lot more people that I didn't because then even then
Speaker 2: I would look at kids who were like I like
Speaker 2: fucking limp biscuit or whatever, and then like some yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's almost got like yo, like you heard of mac
Speaker 2: dre and I'm like you're white though, Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 3: Then yeah, tell me more? Yeah, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Or like my friends, like my friend, like my my Homiechris,
Speaker 2: his older brother Ryan, like the whitest dude you know,
Speaker 2: but he was so into Wu Tang at the time.
Speaker 2: We were like, yo, Ryan, fuck's Wu Tang and like
Speaker 2: we're fucking nine, you know what I mean. And we're
Speaker 2: like real, we fuck with Wu Tang now too, but
Speaker 2: not really realizing like later on you're.
Speaker 1: Like, wow, what was his entry point into Wu Tang?
Speaker 2: But I get that it's all different, but again it's
Speaker 2: just immediately created this like understanding too. So yeah, in
Speaker 2: that sense, that's why i've you know, like i've I
Speaker 2: credit me being more interested in music and making music
Speaker 2: and being involved with like more music stuff is all.
Speaker 2: It all just really comes from that and finding like
Speaker 2: an art form that felt like it was truly like
Speaker 2: speaking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the on the question of like what
Speaker 1: because we did this thought experiment last week with Adam
Speaker 1: talking about like if Hollywood had never been unionized, like
Speaker 1: and I think we landed out, like film looks a
Speaker 1: lot different, TV looks a lot different. So with this
Speaker 1: one's obviously a lot harder to imagine a world where
Speaker 1: hip hop had never been invented. I do think like
Speaker 1: it seems inevitable in the past tense but like just
Speaker 1: how absolutely like perfect it was for the moment and
Speaker 1: for the past fifty years of culture, Like it fully
Speaker 1: embodies like all the thing like postmodernism, where like it
Speaker 1: just takes from the rest of the world ingests it
Speaker 1: and like creates new art that is like perfect and
Speaker 1: constantly evolving, and like you know, resists kind of being
Speaker 1: co opted, but then still ultimately is co opted. So
Speaker 1: like it works like in the same way that we
Speaker 1: talk about like capitalism as being this like living, breathing entity,
Speaker 1: Like it feels like hip hop is this both like
Speaker 1: part of that but also like kind of a response
Speaker 1: to it, and like I don't know better than it
Speaker 1: in some in some instance and says like better at
Speaker 1: doing the thing that capitalism aims to do. So like
Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable. I don't think it's it would
Speaker 1: have inevitably been as perfect and brilliant as it ended
Speaker 1: up being. And like, I just like I kept thinking
Speaker 1: of Dick Cabot for whatever reason when we were talking
Speaker 1: about what pop culture like Dick Cabot, and like the
Speaker 1: people in the seventies have you ever seen, Like I
Speaker 1: didn't know who Dick cabb was until he started like
Speaker 1: making the rounds in like viral videos where people are like,
Speaker 1: look how high David Bowie is in this interview, and
Speaker 1: it's like him talking to Dick Cabot, right, And Dick
Speaker 1: Cabot is just this like skinny white dude with his
Speaker 1: like hair combed to the side, and he's like in
Speaker 1: a suit, and his way of talking is just so
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like sexless and upper crust and
Speaker 1: like he's never been on any street anywhere, like he's
Speaker 1: never been wet before or something like. It's just like
Speaker 1: it just like like thinking about that like made me
Speaker 1: think back to like the seventies was really a fucked
Speaker 1: up time where I feel like white, straight white men
Speaker 1: had had just complete unaccountable cultural power for like way
Speaker 1: too long and sudden they like made it cool to
Speaker 1: look like Burt Reynolds and like the beauty standards for women,
Speaker 1: like women like started like that was when like Brookshields
Speaker 1: became a sex symbol, like in the late seventies, like
Speaker 1: when she was like thirteen or like twelve, Like it
Speaker 1: was just it was like this really toxic, fucked up thing.
Speaker 1: So like I don't I don't know where that would
Speaker 1: have gone, but it feels like hip hop came through
Speaker 1: and at least partially was an antibody and was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to relieve straight white men of some of
Speaker 1: this power to decide what is cool and what is
Speaker 1: sexy and what like people should wear and talk like
Speaker 1: because they are fucking up, like so bad Smoky in
Speaker 1: the bandit is number one at the box office. We
Speaker 1: need to we need to do something.
Speaker 4: Something must be done.
Speaker 3: That's funny. I'd like taking your thought experience. Like I
Speaker 3: think about in our home when both my parents were
Speaker 3: My parents split when I started high school, but like
Speaker 3: before that, you know, my dad was the like the
Speaker 3: former revolutionary. You know, I said all the time, my
Speaker 3: father was a black panther. So it was just all
Speaker 3: he was all about, you know, unity among suffering people everywhere.
Speaker 3: My mom, you know, was the like she's from the hood,
Speaker 3: but she you know, had a radical like Christian conversion,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But she's still from the city,
Speaker 3: so she still had a little street about her, but
Speaker 3: was really more about like my soul and like it
Speaker 3: might be being like, you know, influenced by the wrong
Speaker 3: things my father because of like you said, like the
Speaker 3: type of hip hop I was drawn to really young,
Speaker 3: was like the yeah, the self destructions and that we're
Speaker 3: all in the same game. The really stuff that's about
Speaker 3: like you know, even just like the tribe call quest
Speaker 3: and the poor righteous teachers, the stuff that was just
Speaker 3: about this like black excellence, you know what I'm saying this,
Speaker 3: and like you said, like the struggle against you know, oppression.
Speaker 3: So to your point, like him coming from the time
Speaker 3: of the revolution, like Marvin Gaye's what's going on?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: I didn't, I got it. But that was my parents' music,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like the hip hop was
Speaker 3: a way in some ways for my dad to like
Speaker 3: be able to have an inroad into transferring you know,
Speaker 3: the torch the mission down to me because of the
Speaker 3: hip hop I like, now granted, you know, I had
Speaker 3: same as you. I had like the list of rappers
Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to buy tapes for, you know, the
Speaker 3: NWA's and the IC I wouldn't allowed to have. Ohs,
Speaker 3: I remember we had a list on refrigerator of course.
Speaker 3: But same thing. My sister six years older than me,
Speaker 3: she was part of like a house party like dancing crew,
Speaker 3: like totally like like the house party movies. Right, that's
Speaker 3: my sister. Like she was that age and she was
Speaker 3: doing that, you know what I'm saying. And her friends
Speaker 3: was bringing tapes in when I was like third and
Speaker 3: fourth grade. You know what I'm saying. You know, get
Speaker 3: getting access to this stuff. But either way, I think,
Speaker 3: like you said, like a way for this my dad
Speaker 3: to be able to be like, yo, this is the movement,
Speaker 3: and him having the wherewithal to be like what if
Speaker 3: my son is you know what I'm saying, being drawn
Speaker 3: to this, you know, this thing that we've created. He's like,
Speaker 3: I don't have to like it. He's like, I like
Speaker 3: some of it, but he's like, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: but let me be a part of this. So I
Speaker 3: think to your point, like hip hop became in some
Speaker 3: ways the continual voice of resistance that was happening with
Speaker 3: the generation before us. But just like the generation before
Speaker 3: us in the generation before them, Like you said, the
Speaker 3: Empire always strikes, you know what I'm saying, So like
Speaker 3: there was all always going to be, you know, a
Speaker 3: money making version that, if we're not careful, was going
Speaker 3: to envelop the whole thing I brought up on the
Speaker 3: text thread, like Rappers Delight, you know, being a hip
Speaker 3: a hup, a hippie to the hippie to hip hop.
Speaker 3: People believing that that was like the first rap song,
Speaker 3: Well that was seven years later, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And not only was it seven years later, the Cold Crush.
Speaker 3: The guys that were in that group were the Cold
Speaker 3: Crush brothers bodyguards and some lady was starting a rap
Speaker 3: group for their record label and they were auditioning people
Speaker 3: and the dude was like, hey, grand Master Cast, can
Speaker 3: you write me a rap? And guys like sure, I guess.
Speaker 3: So he wrote them a rap and that rap became
Speaker 3: Raper's Delight, and they're the megastars and hits. Because the
Speaker 3: Empire always strikes, you know what I'm saying. But that
Speaker 3: being said, I think, yeah, like I don't know what
Speaker 3: would have been our sort of entry into the continuation
Speaker 3: of feeling like you're a part of this longer heritage
Speaker 3: of like the black and brown experience, you know, without
Speaker 3: us creating our own version of that, whether it was djaying,
Speaker 3: because I remember, if there's no hip hop, there's no
Speaker 3: DJs like that. So there's so much you know, there's
Speaker 3: no streetwear, there's no like so much missing.
Speaker 2: That's more than just rap music, right, That's why I
Speaker 2: feel like it's more than like if there was a
Speaker 2: world without it. I feel like more if anything just
Speaker 2: be delayed because I think hip hop is inevitable and
Speaker 2: like to your point right about you know, you talk
Speaker 2: about before there was fuck the police or fight the power,
Speaker 2: there was like say aloud, I'm black and I'm proud
Speaker 2: exacts James Brown, or you have Spy Stone and you
Speaker 2: have the Black Panthers and you look at digital underground
Speaker 2: like Moneybe his parents were Panthers, Tupac comes from, Like
Speaker 2: there's like that's a very I think I was, And
Speaker 2: I wrote that in my notes about like it is
Speaker 2: a continuation, and it was just like it's no surprise
Speaker 2: that a lot of these people come from that tradition,
Speaker 2: and that was sort of the earliest way to articulate
Speaker 2: the struggles of the community, talking about like pervasive police
Speaker 2: power or you know, the prison industrial complex. That was
Speaker 2: just the new vocabulary to use to to be able
Speaker 2: to talk about that and express that. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: in a way, like I feel like it's inevitable and
Speaker 2: maybe could have only been delayed because that's that was
Speaker 2: just unfortunately, that's the momentum of our society was always
Speaker 2: sort of marginalizing people. And yeah, it turned out that
Speaker 2: a block party.
Speaker 4: Gave us all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, yeah, it's really no surprise, that's
Speaker 2: what I think. It's also important, you got to California
Speaker 2: also has a huge part in hip hop because particularly
Speaker 2: the Bay because that's what the blank Like, you think
Speaker 2: of how many people from the Black Panther Party come
Speaker 2: out of the Bay Area. You think sly Stone comes
Speaker 2: out of the Bay Area, and how many people reference
Speaker 2: sly also as an influence and even his time as
Speaker 2: a DJ, he had that swag was kind of like
Speaker 2: early rapping.
Speaker 3: You know, all of our slang, almost all of our
Speaker 3: slang come from the Bay Yeah, almost all of it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so it is wild when you look
Speaker 2: again that even in a way that we talk about
Speaker 2: the Bronx or we talk about California whatever, that's what
Speaker 2: makes it feel like inevitable. It's not so much that obviously,
Speaker 2: Like if you want to find a way that like
Speaker 2: it really began, we can we can talk about those
Speaker 2: links to New York. But again, it was just I
Speaker 2: think cultural momentum that just basically came through and just said, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's a new way of doing everything we've been doing.
Speaker 3: There's a beauty in like, you know, even it being
Speaker 3: even just the regional expressions you know of how hip
Speaker 3: hop kind of came came to be what it is
Speaker 3: and what Southern music sounds like. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like my homeboy says, like the way he explains it
Speaker 3: to me is like the type of like la underground
Speaker 3: stuff like see that as like jazz, but like the
Speaker 3: Southern stuff like that's blues. Like it just feels right,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, you know, all white me down,
Speaker 3: Like it just feels right, you feel me Like they're
Speaker 3: not words, doesn't have to be words, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's just the tall white t's you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like that it just comes from that
Speaker 3: mud that soil that Memphis because that's where the blues
Speaker 3: was from. So their kids are gonna sound like that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Just the fact, Like I
Speaker 3: think it's very important to remember that, like hip hop
Speaker 3: is not just rapping, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 3: the why we used records was because they're our schools
Speaker 3: didn't have music programs, so like, you know, we had
Speaker 3: to create music with what we had, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So like and that's what they did out
Speaker 3: here in the West. It was like, yeah, we had
Speaker 3: all the you know, the g funk stuff, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, all the all the funk cadelic stuff
Speaker 3: because we were outside. It was a nice day outside,
Speaker 3: so you went out, you roll skated, you was on
Speaker 3: the beach, you know. So our music just sounded different
Speaker 3: that region. And I love that, like hip hop was
Speaker 3: always able to to provide that palette for you to
Speaker 3: map your experience and your culture on. And which always
Speaker 3: makes me mad for like all heads that are like
Speaker 3: these young niggas is weird, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like I get mad at that like that's not real.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, man, like, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: Como these grapes weapon Like okay, guys like.
Speaker 2: Rock Kim is the gold, I will hear nothing less.
Speaker 3: It's like ro okay, Like that's your thing, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Like so when like you know, when
Speaker 3: you like you, you Miles, you at an age of
Speaker 3: like the Cali Swag Unit, you know what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 3: so when they was you know, that's your that's your
Speaker 3: age what I'm saying. So the cool kids and the
Speaker 3: uh you know in the jerkin you're a jerky Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: all the Pac divs and stuff like that, Like that's
Speaker 3: that's what they did. They took what they took, what
Speaker 3: was they were exposed to, and they made something they own,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So even with the mumbo stuff,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not the disciple dude to be like I'm
Speaker 3: not going to ride in my car with it, but
Speaker 3: I get it, like they they took what they had
Speaker 3: and they made it their own. And I just think that,
Speaker 3: like you said, it's inevitable you're going to make treasure
Speaker 3: out of whatever you was given.
Speaker 4: Right, right, because that is the process of it all.
Speaker 2: It's like you take what's left over, what you have
Speaker 2: access to, and can you just turn that into something
Speaker 2: like because one thing that I always think about, too,
Speaker 2: is like how pervasive hip hop is? You know, like,
Speaker 2: obviously it's an American art form, but now it's I'd
Speaker 2: be hard pressed to think about country where it does
Speaker 2: not exist, And I don't know how many genres of
Speaker 2: music you can actually say that, and even if you
Speaker 2: think too, like what's really interesting even in America? Right,
Speaker 2: Like I think numerically most of the consumers of hip
Speaker 2: hop are white people, because.
Speaker 4: That's it, that's just what it is.
Speaker 2: But I'm always curious to think about what makes it
Speaker 2: so attractive. Now I get why, Like I can see
Speaker 2: how for oppressed people in any country, this hip hop
Speaker 2: is a way it's one of the few genres or
Speaker 2: it's like it's articulating struggle, it's articulating like trying to
Speaker 2: move towards liberation whatever however it's defined. So I see
Speaker 2: that appeal there, and but then eventually that turns into
Speaker 2: a thing that some more like authoritarian states consider like
Speaker 2: subversive art because they're giving voice to something that a
Speaker 2: lot of people are feeling, but in a way that
Speaker 2: is just very like easily replicated and very shareable, you know.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just a huge aspect of it that,
Speaker 2: like I mean credit to like what it is as
Speaker 2: an art form, because it doesn't necessarily have to be
Speaker 2: like it's black people or people from the inner cities
Speaker 2: in America doing this. It's also here is a here's
Speaker 2: a here's a set of ideas in aesthetic yeah, to
Speaker 2: express you know, a struggle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's perfectly built as like a foil
Speaker 1: to capitalism almost in the sense that, like the way
Speaker 1: capitalism operates is it consumes and appropriates everything and ends
Speaker 1: up destroying it, right or like making it uncol hip
Speaker 1: hop consumes and turns everything into art and gets consumed
Speaker 1: by capitalism, but then it always changes to something new
Speaker 1: that capitalism then come for. But then by the time
Speaker 1: it gets to it, it's always changed to something new.
Speaker 1: So I think like part of the appeal is just
Speaker 1: that it it doesn't ever fully get bogged down because
Speaker 1: it always becomes something new that capitalism like just kind
Speaker 1: of by the ethos of hip hop. It feels like
Speaker 1: that is what it's seen as true. Hip hop is
Speaker 1: not the stuff that is made year like decades into
Speaker 1: a certain style being popular, like now drill is popular,
Speaker 1: Like but like you can think about like the way
Speaker 1: drill was, like it was a Chicago thing. Then like
Speaker 1: a bunch of producers in London started making beats, but
Speaker 1: then like people in New York started like wrapping over
Speaker 1: those beats in a matter of like three weeks. All
Speaker 1: that shit can't seem like yeah, like and that's the
Speaker 1: now like probably considered washed, but it's the that changes
Speaker 1: and like there's a new form of authenticity. But I
Speaker 1: am curious like from here, like you talked about it's
Speaker 1: popularity and other countries, and it's also like frequently banned
Speaker 1: in other countries. And I'm just wondering, like will there
Speaker 1: ever be the moment when like hip hop becomes like
Speaker 1: the sound of a revolution that likes it like actually
Speaker 1: overtly resists capitalism in some way, like it feels like
Speaker 1: the natural weapon for that, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I think there's like there's always
Speaker 3: this discussion because you lay you have these like concentric
Speaker 3: sort of intersections, if you will, whether it's resistance commerce,
Speaker 3: you know, capitalism, liberation, peace, love, unity and having fun
Speaker 3: if you ask like karas One, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So you have all these concentric things laying on there,
Speaker 3: and then there's this discussion where you have you know,
Speaker 3: hip hop's still only it's fifty but it's only fifty,
Speaker 3: so meaning we've we ain't. We only got one bono
Speaker 3: and the closest of that is jay Z, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That's like Hove is the closest thing
Speaker 3: we have to a bono and the closest thing we
Speaker 3: have of someone becoming a politicians killer Mike, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, so in fifty years, we only
Speaker 3: got two dudes that actually grew up, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and became something more transcendent. And both of them,
Speaker 3: and this is a critique that people haven't in hip hop,
Speaker 3: both of their solutions to liberation is just black capitalism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying is just you know, own
Speaker 3: your own businesses to support black banks. Only put your
Speaker 3: money here, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 3: there's this like discussion around that, and then you have
Speaker 3: dudes like you know, you're Chuck D's of the world,
Speaker 3: that are like, nah, burn it all down, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So you know in dead Press it's like, yo,
Speaker 3: burn it all down, but dead Press still wants you
Speaker 3: to buy a fifty dollars ticket to their concert, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So there's this like there's a tension.
Speaker 3: There's this tension that is a microcosm. I think of
Speaker 3: movements everywhere, you know what I mean, where it's like well,
Speaker 3: like you said, hip hop being or not hip hop
Speaker 3: capitalism being so pervasive and so just swallowed earth in
Speaker 3: a way that like I don't know if any of
Speaker 3: us can amat and even like you go back to
Speaker 3: like old like the old, old, old old old, like
Speaker 3: you know, Cowboy and like check yourself for you wreck
Speaker 3: yourself rapping like they were talking about their Coop de
Speaker 3: Vils and like you know, they rolling down, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Nate Dan Gather there the projects, that
Speaker 3: stuff is imaginary, like they're imagining all the big chains
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So like that's what hip hop was.
Speaker 3: He's big rope chains. That's capitalism. I got money now,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. That's because we was po,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So like, yeah, liberation of
Speaker 3: them meant not being poor anymore. So there's just this
Speaker 3: like I don't know, man.
Speaker 2: Also there's a dark side, right because all that doochie
Speaker 2: chain stuff all comes from just rappers want to look
Speaker 2: like the drug dealers.
Speaker 4: They just want to look Callian drug dealers know less.
Speaker 2: And there's such a bizarre like fun house mirror like
Speaker 2: being aimed at each other thing that like reflects back
Speaker 2: and like it's it is always like it's a very
Speaker 2: complex interconnected system in that way.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and even to that point, I'm sorry, let me,
Speaker 3: I try not to dominate, but even to that point,
Speaker 3: like there's even a discussion that like our version of
Speaker 3: venture capitalism is drug dealing. Like it's like you get
Speaker 3: your money, I don't want. I can't go to these
Speaker 3: white bank as you said, the supremacy. I can't go
Speaker 3: to these traditional I can't go to the white bank.
Speaker 3: So that's why rappers are always like yo, I used
Speaker 3: to be in the streets. Now I do this because
Speaker 3: that was their version of like investment capital. So it's
Speaker 3: still just like you said, this fun house mirror, because
Speaker 3: we're still just street dudes, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And with the street dudes thing. There's still the homophobia,
Speaker 3: there's still the misogyny, There's still all these things that
Speaker 3: like are mirrors of stuff that we just need to
Speaker 3: deal with period. That just to your question, Jack, Like,
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know if it'll ever fully be that
Speaker 3: liberate liberation sort of thing you're asking. But also part
Speaker 3: of the protest is the joy, like the party, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying to turning up, That is part
Speaker 3: of the protest is like despite what we're going through,
Speaker 3: we're goinna turn up, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like no name is somebody who's like
Speaker 1: interesting and has like kind of socialist politics and makes
Speaker 1: really cool music, and she has an album coming out
Speaker 1: August eleventh, so I'll be look yeah that I.
Speaker 2: Mean, there's no shortage of those like artists either, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think that's why it that's the beauty of it.
Speaker 2: And the kind of sort of dark part too, is
Speaker 2: like you can kind of there's.
Speaker 4: It's all encompassing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like that point about Jay, Like it's funny
Speaker 2: because I remember when he said that He's like I
Speaker 2: feel like people are using capitalists as a slur.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sir, now, but I can be changed quickly. I
Speaker 1: mean things changed on them real quickly. Yeah, on all
Speaker 1: of real So yeah, yeah, well probably. I mean I
Speaker 1: love to have you on for a ten hour episode
Speaker 1: where we just talked about this.
Speaker 2: I know I do actually have a question because you
Speaker 2: did bring it up. And this is something I always
Speaker 2: think about is a lot of people who from the
Speaker 2: old school, they are have a liberation mindset, right, and
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people who are a
Speaker 2: little more their head is in the space of like
Speaker 2: black liberation, liberating like working people, all that, and being
Speaker 2: as inclusive as possible. At what point do you think
Speaker 2: it could hip hop not that it would completely sort
Speaker 2: of divorce itself from a lot of like the misogynistic
Speaker 2: or sort of like problematic aspects of it, because I
Speaker 2: don't know, part of me, like I always think of
Speaker 2: when people talk about it, I say, I think, on
Speaker 2: one hand, it's reflecting an experience of a person and
Speaker 2: they're speaking from that experience.
Speaker 4: Other times it does.
Speaker 2: Feel egregious, it feels excessive, it doesn't further anything artistically,
Speaker 2: And I wonder if if it's so ingrained that it's
Speaker 2: at a certain point like will like the most popping
Speaker 2: artists be the ones who actually aren't calling women bitches
Speaker 2: or hoes or saying something different. And I wonder if
Speaker 2: if that's also another hurdle that like mainstream hip hop,
Speaker 2: like you know, can't it cross that barrier. And that's
Speaker 2: something always think about all the time, because that that
Speaker 2: does feel like something I wish people were more conscious of,
Speaker 2: because it does affect everything around us, especially with you know,
Speaker 2: like ho misogyny especially affects like, you know, women of color,
Speaker 2: and that feels like antithetical to kind of the reasons
Speaker 2: why you want to you know, like you want to
Speaker 2: be liberated and do those Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nah, it's weird, man. I think that that sort of
Speaker 3: contradiction even sits in when you think of like the
Speaker 3: albums the rap albums of the Year that the Grammys
Speaker 3: are choosing. I mean, they're choosing nas, they're choosing to
Speaker 3: five nine, they're choosing Smoke. They're choosing these artists that
Speaker 3: are saying important things. But those aren't the number one
Speaker 3: songs on the radio. Matter of fact, a lot of
Speaker 3: those songs aren't on the radio at all. You know
Speaker 3: who's on the issues He already yeah, he got his
Speaker 3: thing too, you know what I'm saying. So there's this
Speaker 3: weird yeah, like what is what are the labels and
Speaker 3: radio pushing? You know? What are the kids wanting? And
Speaker 3: are really the kids just wanting this because they're getting
Speaker 3: it from the radio, you know, versus what the industry
Speaker 3: if you will, the gatekeepers, if you will, what are
Speaker 3: they rewarding because you take somebody like NBA Chappa who
Speaker 3: like he's blacklisted, but is the behind Drake is the
Speaker 3: highest streaming artists, you know what I'm saying. So like,
Speaker 3: even no matter what the industry does, if this what
Speaker 3: the streets want, this what the streets want, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I just I wonder if it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: is this it's not so much a hip hop thing
Speaker 3: but a conversation of who are who do we want
Speaker 3: to be as a people? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And then, like you said, the art reflects that. So
Speaker 3: it's like the market, I asked the other other X factor,
Speaker 3: The market don't care. The Market's like what y'all want?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, here, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, Like, market don't care? Yeah, what's
Speaker 3: popping right now? Okay? Give them twenty more of that,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And yeah, udalism comes in,
Speaker 3: That's what capitalism comes in. So like, man, I think
Speaker 3: hip hop's gonna go the way that in my mind
Speaker 3: I look at like metal and rock to where it's
Speaker 3: like it evolves into these other things and we can
Speaker 3: a we could become the dudes in the basement, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying with our AC DC T shirts
Speaker 3: talking about Motorheads own the last real group, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Right, and then or we could just
Speaker 3: let it evolve, let it change, let it become what
Speaker 3: it is, and just kind of be proud of whatever
Speaker 3: iterations that they have and like and hope that we're
Speaker 3: teaching these young brothers, these young girls to like be
Speaker 3: different in the world. Do you feel me? Because yeah,
Speaker 3: Like like to this day, like I throw which was
Speaker 3: probably gonna be my plug, Like I throw this party
Speaker 3: every first Sunday in Long Beach, and when it ain't
Speaker 3: no fun comes on. I mean, don't one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty two hundred people when men women till everybody's singing it,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't it and
Speaker 3: then you have to stop the song and be like, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: nobody really say this. Don't actually say this to anyone,
Speaker 3: like these are exactly these are not okay words in
Speaker 3: real life.
Speaker 2: It's wild when the whole party goes up going when
Speaker 2: I met that baby, right, we opened your gap and
Speaker 2: you're right, heah.
Speaker 3: You even licked my balls like that's in the song.
Speaker 3: Or would we be like, yo, what's my favorite word?
Speaker 3: Bitch the whole party and you're like, don't really call
Speaker 3: nobody that though, Like, don't actually say that to nobody,
Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, is it well?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, And I get again, I don't mean
Speaker 2: to say that this is even exclusively something that's happening
Speaker 2: hip hop, because again, every art form is going to
Speaker 2: reflect back what is happening in society on some levels.
Speaker 2: So like, I'm not trying to pin all of our
Speaker 2: ills on hip hop at all, but I'm just trying
Speaker 2: to think of like because to your point, it is
Speaker 2: evolving now and we see more like LGBTQ rappers coming
Speaker 2: in the game starting to chart, or you know, like
Speaker 2: female identifying rappers, if just it that already is evolving
Speaker 2: because again, all those groups also have their own sets
Speaker 2: of struggles and oppression that they're dealing with and it
Speaker 2: so it shouldn't be a surprise that naturally the language
Speaker 2: of hip hop would migrate.
Speaker 4: To those places.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I'm always excited me too,
Speaker 2: because for every like SoundCloud rapper, I'm like, come on, y'all,
Speaker 2: this is not good music. There is some forward thinking
Speaker 2: or kind of trippy artists who's like, yeah, I kind
Speaker 2: of take these kinds like I'm kind of doing like
Speaker 2: emo rap, like I'm fusing emo with rap, and I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Dude, do it do you?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exact totally with it, saying I never
Speaker 3: want to be that because I feel like that's you
Speaker 3: just put it. You put an expiration date on You
Speaker 3: might as well just go buy your Dockers and your
Speaker 3: in your new Balance, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Your T shirt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just give up. Yeah, just give up the
Speaker 3: day you just put an expiration date. Whenever you start
Speaker 3: being like he's young. I don't like none of this
Speaker 3: young rap, but I'm like, oh, it's not for you.
Speaker 3: It's fine. Let them have it. That's dope. Be excited
Speaker 3: for them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Be a o G.
Speaker 3: Don't be a oh yead be a O G.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, true, that's facts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've we've definitely met people Jack, We've met
Speaker 2: people who are like, yeah, you know, like the new stuff,
Speaker 2: not really messing with Bro that.
Speaker 3: Dude show up. They're still showing up in his like
Speaker 3: oversized throwback Jersey got his baseball cap cock just a
Speaker 3: little bit to the side, said I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's like, Yo, this is real hip hop. You see
Speaker 3: these jinkos now ranted. My daughter's wearing ginkos now, which
Speaker 3: is pretty cool to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but and that's not why he doing it. She's
Speaker 2: asking you if you have a four x tall T
Speaker 2: white condition can wear.
Speaker 3: Just relax the oversize fitted cat come on man, looking
Speaker 3: like fabulous in two thousand and one, like.
Speaker 2: No, I don't tie my do rag under here, I'll
Speaker 2: I'll let that blow on the wind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Prop, we could honestly have you back on
Speaker 1: every day to talk about this. Such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could follow me all on like prop hip hop.
Speaker 3: Oh that's all my at mentions, you know, and that's
Speaker 3: my website. I do have one like plug for anybody
Speaker 3: in the LA area. Like I said, I do a
Speaker 3: party every speaking of hip hop, we're doing a fiftieth
Speaker 3: anniversary kind of celebration with y'all. Well you appreciate this
Speaker 3: with all the original mix masters from kJ LA the
Speaker 3: fifteen eighty one, so we're talking Battlect Julio g Like,
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Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: I throw it with the beach junkies. So like it'll
Speaker 3: be Icy Ice is there. You know DJ Curse is there.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like Baker Boys are coming. Like it's
Speaker 3: gonna be like an incredible, incredible.
Speaker 1: Huh with Tita. Tito's coming.
Speaker 3: No, this is Tito.
Speaker 1: This is gonna be there.
Speaker 3: You think I'm kidding. Tito's gonna be there.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: From Tito Top four four, Title's four playing four.
Speaker 1: This is Tito in Las. All my girls they call
Speaker 1: me ross up yo. That was.
Speaker 3: Now now now okay let me now, he say, he
Speaker 3: come in now. Let me let me put that let
Speaker 3: me put that cat in. The Baker boys, Nick, Nick
Speaker 3: and Eric they pull up all the time, so they'll
Speaker 3: probably be there just because like because again it's the
Speaker 3: Mixed Masters, so they'll be there now. They last time
Speaker 3: they last time Eric came, he said Tito was coming.
Speaker 3: So let's I think this might be the weekend. But yeah,
Speaker 3: club real ones dot com, please come pull up on
Speaker 3: me and you guys to y'all too on this screen.
Speaker 4: Yes, please come.
Speaker 1: Okay, that'd be amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bru, I mean every every name you said I got,
Speaker 2: I aged like ID aged.
Speaker 4: Five years yeah, as soon as you heard it, yep.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, cool amazing.
Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of work of media I've been enjoying. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm almost like mourning too, like knowing, like all these
Speaker 3: shows I've been watching our ending and I'm like, well
Speaker 3: they're they're not returning now for a while, you know,
Speaker 3: because nobody's writing right now as it should be. But
Speaker 3: I think my favorite one is this tweet from my
Speaker 3: home boy, homeboy Toby Unwigway. He was like for Twitter,
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, that X is the perfect symbol
Speaker 3: for Twitter. I was like, it just plays so well
Speaker 3: into just how unaware Elon is about it himself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like you you are. I've never met someone so well.
Speaker 3: Obviously I've never met him, but like, I don't know
Speaker 3: anybody has that lacks that much self awareness? Are you
Speaker 3: calling it? X? And like you damn right? You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Yes you are, Yes, you are X right.
Speaker 1: I was reading this thing about streetwear, like the a
Speaker 1: guy who's like the king of streetwear in the fashion community,
Speaker 1: Philippe Pleine or something Pleaan. He's like a German dude.
Speaker 1: But he was like interviewed and he was like I
Speaker 1: love underdog stories like I love Elon Musk and I
Speaker 1: just had to stop reading.
Speaker 3: I was so yeah, I can't talk no more.
Speaker 1: Then he was launching uh like pair of sneakers that
Speaker 1: he co designed with Snoop, and I was just like, fuck.
Speaker 3: Man, now I have to buy the shoes, damn it.
Speaker 4: That yeah, conflicted.
Speaker 1: Miles, Where can people find you? What's working media? You've
Speaker 1: been enjoyed?
Speaker 2: Just wherever there's at symbols at miles of gray, that's
Speaker 2: you know, threads too or you know.
Speaker 4: I actually I do thread things over whatever we call them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah cool.
Speaker 2: Let's see a tweet that I like at Noah Garfinkle
Speaker 2: tweeted in this house. We believe that X is the
Speaker 2: coolest letter. Sixty nine is the funniest number. Paul Pelosi
Speaker 2: gade himself with a hammer, and memes can be a bank.
Speaker 2: It's a peak blue check Twitter out front signs.
Speaker 4: That you would have.
Speaker 1: Amazing tweet I've been enjoying is actually a screencap of
Speaker 1: a blue sky from truck Chris at truck Cris dot
Speaker 1: Yes best guy at dot Social uv Allde cops cowering
Speaker 1: behind their vehicle softly whispering. Try that in a small town.
Speaker 1: Oh You've dared me on X at Jack Underscore O'Brien
Speaker 1: and on threads at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore, Brian love
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Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might
Speaker 1: enjoy Miles. What song do we think people might enjoy it?
Speaker 2: I think just you know, we were talking, we're talking
Speaker 2: about hip hop and Jack. You were trying to find
Speaker 2: that earworm, trying to figure out what that.
Speaker 1: Track was two thousand.
Speaker 2: Help of Zeigang, we realized it was Graandpool Bos nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety five hit two thousand in the title.
Speaker 4: The album with the same title two thousand. The album's
Speaker 4: called two thousand, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 2: So let's go out on that so people can actually
Speaker 2: understand where Jack was coming from. This is Grandpool Uba
Speaker 2: with two thousand.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, well, we'll link off to that in
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Speaker 4: Bye bye, yosis