1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two ninety seven, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Episode two of Dardilly's Eye Guystay production of iHeartRadio. This 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: is a podcast where we, let's say, we take a 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: little deep dive into america shared consciousness. And it is Tuesday, 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, twenty twenty three. My name's Jack O'Brien 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: akaf No one knows what it's like to be this 7 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Jack guy, to be this thick guy behind plump thighs. 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: That is courtesy of Blinky Heck, behind blue Eyes by 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: the Who, which might not seem like the most appropriate 10 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: song to open up our fiftieth anniversary of hip hop. 11 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: I have a grim topic, but I don't know it 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: actually resonates with me as for our conversation with like 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: what the world would look like if hip hop had 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: never existed, It would just be a lot of guys 15 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: with blue eyes feeling sorry for themselves. I'm thrilled to 16 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: br Let's fucking keep it hip Hop. 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: Uppenheimer Girl in a party world. 19 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: Life in plastic. 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: It's bombastic, super heated air destruction. 21 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 3: Everywhere, and imagine nation that is your creation. 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 4: Okay, anyway. 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: Shout out to Johnny Davis title God Yeah, biggip hop. Yeah, 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: shout out to you for that one. Shout out to 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: all the Barbenheimer's out there. 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't. 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: I only got half of it done this week. But 28 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: I will complete the other half. 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: Just yeah, we will finish. 30 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am all right, Miles. 31 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined by a brilliant poet, 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: political activist, academic MC and podcast host of The Mustless 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: and Hood Politics with prop on Cool Zone. It's the brilliant, 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: the talented Jason Petty aka Propaganda. 35 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 3: What up, y'all? I might as well continue to tradition here. 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: You know. 37 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: It's propaganda aka only win. And I get an email from. 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 5: And uh, I'm on the daily SI guys, my name 39 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 5: by post hood polotics with me. I sell cold pro coffee. 40 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: That's prob a courtesy of me. 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I was a hard joint 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: right there. 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: Man. I was like, listen, I keep them in the holster, 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: like yeah, true MC? 45 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, how many man you ever? 46 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: Like? 47 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 4: How many writtens do you ever? 48 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: Like? 49 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: If I'm sure you know you go to freestyle battles 50 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: and stuff? How many writtens would you have in your 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: back pocket? 52 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: Man? 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: I mean I come from the age where you're not 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: supposed to have. Yeah, yeah, I know, you know what 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: I'm saying, But but you get like you it's more 56 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: like you have like a grab bag of like four 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: bar eight bar, some kind of finish off things in there. 58 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: Just yeah, if you get lost, you can pull something 59 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: out of there, right right. But yeah, but like a 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: full verse, someone's gonna catch you, yeah, you know, and 61 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: then then you can never come back. 62 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being like really disappointed when I used 64 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: to think like mixtape freestyles were actual freestyles like back 65 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: in the day, and like, no, they're workshopping like other 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: material that's going to end up on the track. 67 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 4: And for the real head was. 68 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 3: On that that was that I heard Deadline? 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, those that Green Lantern mixtape. Yeah, I know, yeah, 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: were workshopping. 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: That kind of that kind of goes to like what 72 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: we're going to talk about later on that attitude. 73 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about that when we get there, sure for sure. 74 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: All right, Well, what we are talking about today is 75 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: hip hop. It is the fiftieth anniversary. We're going to 76 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: just talk general thoughts on Yeah, how to go fifty 77 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: years in. Yeah, so so what we like, We just 78 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: listened to some hip hop and we're all to what 79 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: do we think? Yeah, No, we're gonna, you know, talk 80 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: about the history, talk about the best and worst things 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: that happened to us because of hip hop, talk about 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: what does a world without hip hop look like? 83 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 2: Which I said on our text thread, does is that 84 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: just a world without black and brown people? Because I 85 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 2: feel like you would have to take away some of 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: the vibrancy, the life, the energy, the rhythms of these 87 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 2: cultures to then anyway. But I don't know that's for 88 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: us to discuss. We can discuss ads. Yeah, very is 89 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: more appropriate, like if it didn't ye did. 90 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, if we never fought to like keep it authentic, 91 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: like if it just becomes like like we just gave 92 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: up a rock and roll to where it's just like, 93 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 3: all right, we advanced the we can't look we can't 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: ever keep anything for ourselves. 95 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean? 96 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, But before we get to any of 97 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: that ship prop, we do like to get to know 98 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: our guests a little bit better, to ask you, what 99 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: is something from your search history that's revealing about who 100 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: you are or what you're up. 101 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 3: To man, I wish I had something like fun, but 102 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: like I've been, I've had to like continue to look 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: for my own like name and address on the internet, 104 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 3: and so I've googled myself a bunch of times. 105 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 4: I can sense that to you do you need do 106 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 4: you need that? Yeah, that's the problem. 107 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: I kind of had like a like a serious kind 108 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: of like stalker situation. And there was like a moment 109 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: where I me and my wife kind of looked at 110 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: each other because basically he found the dude found my 111 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: wife's number, and at that point I was like, all right, 112 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna catch a case if we don't fix. 113 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 4: This, you know. 114 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 3: So yeah, so like I just had to like find 115 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: all these programs that you can like get your informations 116 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 3: your personal information scrubbed off the internet. So I just 117 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: kind of check here and there to make sure that 118 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: like you can't at least find my home address because 119 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 3: if he if someone pulls up at the crib. At 120 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: that point, I'm like, as well, yeah, yeah, take care 121 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: of my children, guys. 122 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, somebody look out for my kids. Well I 123 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: think I think you'll be all right. But yeah, that 124 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: is like a really complex thing about the Internet right 125 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: is like the right to like even disappear. That's something 126 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: people have talked about for years ago, like do you 127 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: do you have the ability to be completely anonymous? Because 128 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: when you see yourself on those public record sites, it's 129 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: a lot of fucking hoops you have to jump through 130 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: to even crazy get to somebody who will be like, okay, 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: we'll take that down. 132 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not even with Like I mean, I had 133 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: to show that like a filed the restraining order, Like 134 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: I had to like show that like yo, I did 135 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: the work, you know, and finally the restraining order was 136 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 3: even drama. I was like, ah, it's like it takes 137 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: these many times. I'm like, man, like y'all like, luckily 138 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: this dude isn't violent if you will, you know what 139 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: I'm saying. 140 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: So it's like. 141 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: I if you but I thought Dan, like what if 142 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 3: this was violent? 143 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 144 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 3: How hard it was to actually get this stuff taken 145 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 3: care of, Like it's a month but yeah, so the 146 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: last thing, so I just had it double check like 147 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: a couple of days ago to be like all right, 148 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: am I still can you find my address? 149 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 4: Right right? You know the dark side of the Internet, Yeah, it. 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Really is, and that like it's so much awful ship 151 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: is said on the internet that by the time you 152 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: get to the people who help with the stuff, they're like, yeah, 153 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: they just seem exhausted, you know, yes, yes, Like we 154 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: we had a couple things back in the day with 155 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,239 Speaker 1: like people saying anti Semitic shit that was like, you know, violent, 156 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: and we like had a writer who like went to 157 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: the FBI and it was it was wild. Like but 158 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: like the number of hoops you have to jump through 159 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: just to like get them to even be like all right, 160 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: we checked into it. It seems like they're full of shit. 161 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: They're like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's crazy. What is something 162 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: prop you think is overrated? 163 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 4: Yeah? 164 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: Uh, family vacations. 165 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: Is what happened. 166 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't know why I laughed at. 167 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: That, because you get it, Like because you get it, 168 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 3: you know, I don't. Okay, Miles, you on your way, buddy, 169 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: you know, like you only you only you only got 170 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: one appendage. Like once you get a couple of appendages, 171 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: you know, it's like fam Like I like they're not vacations, 172 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 3: their trips because I'm like I'm working, you know what 173 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like I'm like I don't under and for 174 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: somebody like me. You know, I was a touring artist 175 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 3: for years. You know what I'm saying, So I travel 176 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: for work. I mean I got a system. I know how. 177 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You get to the airport 178 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: at this time. I got access to this lounge. I 179 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: know which bathroom to you. You know what I'm saying. Like, Yo, 180 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: we got to be at the sit here at this time. 181 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: That's where I park, Like I got, I got the 182 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: system down. When you know, when you with when you 183 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: with the queen, you feel me. The kids ain't listening 184 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: to you because the queen's there, so and she don't 185 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: care because she on vacation, so she gonna move at 186 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 3: the pace she want to move at. Now I'm irritated, 187 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And we spending more money 188 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: than you know. Now you want some juice, and I'm like, 189 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: you ain't got no, you don't need to get juice. 190 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: They got juice on the plane. Just wait till we 191 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: get on the plane. But I'm thirsty now, right, Okay, 192 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 3: everybody go to the bathroom because it's gonna be in 193 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: the line. I don't gotta go to the bathroom now. 194 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 3: We're in there. You and you and you beg for 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: the window seat. You beg for the window seat. Now 196 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: you got to use a bathroom. So you're finna make everybody. 197 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: And I'm like, god, dog, you know you spending mode 198 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: and you won't you know, it's just oh my god, 199 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 3: it's just it's work. 200 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: It's work. Yes, my kids like to go to the 201 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: bathroom on the plane, like just to break things up, 202 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: like yeah, it's just fun. 203 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 4: Oh, just to be like I'm gonna get up and go, 204 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 4: you know what. 205 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 3: Because you're sitting there. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Okay, Miles, 206 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: take that, Take that little new board, take that little 207 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 3: new born on a plane. Wait till their ears pop, Like, 208 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: good luck, big dog. 209 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: I know we got a plane ride coming up in 210 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: a couple of months. 211 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 4: I'm like a little bit like bro, I'm old school. 212 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: I didn't do this with my children, but my grandma 213 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 3: definitely suggested. 214 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 4: The little cat full of whiskey. 215 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he just got of like put him out rill whiskey, 216 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 3: the bril so night quail. Yeah, just a cat full. Yeah, 217 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, night night exactly. Just a 218 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 3: little bit of lean I found in my carage a 219 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: little bit. This is not the official stance of the Daily. 220 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: Pray though, just so you know, put that out there. 221 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 3: But I get. 222 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: I mean the other thing I read is like, you know, 223 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 2: having like they could like a nurse or eat like 224 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: from a bottle because that helps like clear a little 225 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: bit of pressureize. But yeah, I don't so far, very 226 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: chill baby. So and he's still in that phase where 227 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: like he goes where I put him down. So basically 228 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: that's what makes that's why I'm a little bit more like, Okay, 229 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: I think we can get through this. He's not mobile 230 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: and like grabbing ship and throwing it. Yet when we 231 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: get to that point, I think that's when more of 232 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 2: my hair will start to fall out and more gray. 233 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 4: Hair will enter the picture. 234 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you got when they got opinions. 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: Right, for now, you can just leave him at the 236 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: gate to hold your seat for you. Will you go 237 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: and buy stuff at the you know, to leave them 238 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: in that chair going anywhere? 239 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you yeah, when you go when you get 240 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: to that like super cool hotel that's like cool for 241 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: the for the size that you need because it's for y'all, 242 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: so it's not really cool. But it's cool, right, and 243 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: you're like, oh good, our kids bed is literally right 244 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: next to the bed that I'm with, so well there 245 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 3: goes they go to love making because I'm laying right 246 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: next to. 247 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: My child right right. 248 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: And then just go ahead and walk by that super 249 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: cool bar because you're not gonna go down there, right, 250 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: can't leave your children in the room. 251 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 4: Like what I'm saying right right. 252 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 2: It just reminds you of this ship that would happen 253 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: actually when I was a kid, right, And just so 254 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: this is like some real patriarchal type shit where like 255 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: if we're on a vacation with like other families, like 256 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: at night, the dads will go fuck off and get 257 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: fucked up. I remember, Yeah, they will go do something 258 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: like we were hanging out with the moms and I 259 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: was like, how when do you guys do that. They're like, oh, 260 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: they don't. They're like, we're drinking wine here right now. 261 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: That we prefer your company. 262 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, to be honest, Yeah, and hear them to talk 263 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 4: about junior varsity. 264 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, soccer. 265 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 266 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: But we you know, we we modern folks. Ain't no 267 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: way in the world, ain't no way in the world. 268 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: You discover weird parts of the hotel that like you 269 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: didn't because like we're just walking. We're like, all right, 270 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: let's walk to the end of this floor of the 271 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: hotel and to check in every door and see what's 272 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: just like. 273 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: There's an ice machine. 274 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: That's another ice machine. Oh my god, I'm kidding me. 275 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 276 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, family vacations, but it's like it's great when your 277 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: kids are older and they're like, dude, you remember when 278 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 3: we went to this this and this's like yeah, it's 279 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: so cool, Like you know, they love it, but it's 280 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: it's great. 281 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: It's just overrated. 282 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: Yeah at that point. 283 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the that's the duty of the parent, right something. 284 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 2: At that point, you are just the facilitator for their 285 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: for formative memories exactly. 286 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: But anybody who like you come back from a family 287 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: vacation is like, ah, you nice and relaxed. It's like no, nope, exhausted, Yeah, tired, 288 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: more tired than I was the day I left. 289 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 4: What's so what am I supposed to do? 290 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 291 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 3: Just like vibe out. 292 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: I don't know. 293 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I think you make it fun for them. 294 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: You just that's why I'm like, it's work. You're there 295 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: so they have good good time. You're not on vacation. 296 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you are a servant. 297 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 4: Yes, you're not on vacation. They are. 298 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 2: I used to host like kids' birthday parties at Laser Tag, 299 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: so I know how to be like the entertainer you're. 300 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: Going to be. 301 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: You're going you just have to tell your brain you're 302 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 3: not on vacation. That's what I had to learn. It 303 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: took me so many years to figure out, Oh, I'm 304 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 3: not on vacation, right they are. 305 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but then you don't have to worry about anything. 306 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 4: You're just there there. 307 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: You're fine, choose your own adventure where they're in charge. 308 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: What's something you think is underrated? 309 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 3: I guess almost on the same theme. I think solo missions, man, 310 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 3: like whatever that solo mission is, whether it's a restaurant, 311 00:13:55,040 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: a movie, a walk, you know what I'm saying, the gym, 312 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 3: a trip, you know what I'm saying. Like, dog, I 313 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: feel like fools be like sleeping on solo missions. First 314 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: of all, it costs half of what it would cost 315 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: number one, you know what I'm saying. 316 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: I would say it's much less in my case. 317 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, totally, totally. 318 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: Yeah it's a two fifty year old man, but. 319 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, yeah, it's gonna cost so much less. And 320 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 3: I say half because it's like, because that's that money 321 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 3: I'm saving, I'll now spend on extravagant stuff that I 322 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't have bought if there was other people here. You 323 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, get the extra avocado. 324 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: You feel me like, you know, take that, take that tool. 325 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: You know what, I will take that extra bottle of wine. 326 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 3: Feel because it's just me Like, you know I could 327 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 3: do that, you know what I'm saying. So I just 328 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: think solo missions. You could get an app you get 329 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: an appetizer. 330 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 2: You feel me like, I love how a lot of 331 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: your memories right now it feels like you every situation 332 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: you're in ordering dinner with your family, it's. 333 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 4: Like I want to order this, but I can't right now, and. 334 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: I absolutely can'stant. 335 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: Listen, you gotta take what you get now. 336 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: I think the thing for me is like I like 337 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: I love experiences like I I realize like when people 338 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: ask you like, oh what gives you life? And stuff 339 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: like that, Like I like I don't want like objects 340 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: like don't buy me no objects, Like I like, I'll 341 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: get the I'll get the the object. I'll get that 342 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: for myself because it's like I've already researched it. I 343 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: know which little do dad that I want, and I'll 344 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: get it for me. Right. But if I'm a like 345 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: but if I want like a gift, like a treat, 346 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: it's like I want to go experience something incredible. 347 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 4: You feel me. 348 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm the type that like I got 349 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 3: a trillion tabs or like stars on my like yelp 350 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: for every city. You know what I'm saying, because I'm like, 351 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to this spot they got the bomb dumplings. Right, 352 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 3: you feel me? And I know I like that stuff, 353 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: but I don't want to have to come to a 354 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 3: consensus with everybody else. 355 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: You feel me, I'm like I like it, yes, which listen, 356 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: I enjoy this. I don't want to have to fucking 357 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: negotiate it. 358 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have to negotiate it. And then watch 359 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: you get these chicken tingers and like you don't feel me, 360 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: And it's just like even watching you get chicken tenders 361 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: bothers me. 362 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, like just. 363 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: Seeing it and I'm just like I'm trying to show 364 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: you the world. Like I'm like, like I'm from South 365 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: Central Los Angeles, Like, right, you know what I'm saying, Like, 366 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: do you understand what we providing for you right now? 367 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: You feel me like no, you don't. The chicken fingers, 368 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what, forget it. Don't come, just 369 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 3: don't come. You're not gonna enjoy it. You're gonna mess 370 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: up my time. So I love I love solo missions. 371 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come 372 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: back and we will talk all things hip hop, fifty 373 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: years of hip hop, celebrate and ask where it's head. 374 00:16:53,120 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: We'll be right back and we're back. And yeah, so 375 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: about fifty years ago, you know, so some stories say 376 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: late sixties, but you know, mainly I think everybody's just 377 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: kind of coordinated that we're going to celebrate fifty years 378 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: this year, twenty twenty three. The founding story is super 379 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: inspiring because it's like a lot of people practicing the 380 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: thing that we now talk about as being like future facing, 381 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: like people in a local community just like spending time 382 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: with each other, like no real profit motive involved, just 383 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: trying to like throw the best party. And yeah, it was. 384 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: It was like this organic thing that came out of 385 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 1: a neighborhood that the mainstream media like at the time 386 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: was treating the Bronx because that's where the Yankees played 387 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: and they had like a Pennant winning team at that time, 388 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: and it was like this big story that like, look 389 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: at this fucking hellscape, like people actually live here, look 390 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: at look at these fucking pictures. You guys, it's a 391 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. And like, meanwhile, the people who live 392 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: there creating the coolest art form I think in American 393 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: history would be my argument, but the best thing. 394 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I. 395 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 4: Mean you gotta, I gotta, you gotta give jazz props. 396 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's. 397 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: Uh just like yeah, it's been fifty years and the 398 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: amount of cultural change that has occurred as a result, 399 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: I think is really mind blowing. And I know, like 400 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: when we were talking, like how do we even talk, like, 401 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 2: you know, because they're saying, like, you know, people the network, 402 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 2: like you want to do like a fiftieth anniversary hip 403 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 2: hop thing. We're like, yeah, for sure, but what what 404 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: what's important to us? 405 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 4: I think in terms of talk about hip hop? 406 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's plenty of podcasts you could listen 407 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: to that'll give you beat for beat, like the you know, 408 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: historical timeline of hip hop. But I know, like when 409 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 2: we were talking about this, there's so many things that 410 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: come through my mind, whether it's like capitalism or black 411 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 2: liberation or just joy from having an art form or 412 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: genre of music that energizes you. I was like, I 413 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: don't know if we can just talk about one thing. 414 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: So I don't know where do you want to start? 415 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about man broadly? How like 416 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 2: everyone's entry point into hip hop? Everyone's like what the 417 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: best or and worst things had been the hip hop 418 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: have given to you? Because I have definitely I have 419 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 2: my experiences run the gamut. And not to say that 420 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: I feel like hip hop has inherently done anything negative 421 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: to me, but I will say being a teenager and 422 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 2: looking up to artists uh in New York City who 423 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: had a completely different lifestyle than I did, definitely led 424 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 2: me into some interesting places as a kid. 425 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do think like this is one of those 426 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 3: topics when you guys had me on there, like there's well, 427 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 3: you guys said that you know to come on on 428 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: this like I've never needed less prep for a pot, right, 429 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 3: like you know, And I'm like, really, you know, in 430 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 3: some ways, like trying not to like dominate the convo, 431 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: because like there's I don't know if there's there's there's 432 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 3: not many more things I'm more passionate about than like 433 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: what hip hop is, what it's meant to the world. 434 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 3: And even you bringing up jazz is like the just 435 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 3: the compare, even just the comparison of just like the 436 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: the ingredients that jazz came out of are almost the 437 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: same as hip hop, you know, whether it was economic, geopolitical, 438 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: like it still sits in that sort of like you know, 439 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: if you bringing up the Bronx, it's like, well, yeah, 440 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: like if y'all watched Warriors, like the movie, you know 441 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, they there 442 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: was a blackout in the Bronx and there were slum 443 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 3: lords who were destroying buildings. That's why you had the 444 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: rumble rubble kings. That's why it looked like a hellscape 445 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: because the landlords would rather destroy their buildings, you know, 446 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: and get the insurance rather than make livable sort of 447 00:20:55,880 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 3: conditions for these people. And on top of those rubble kids, 448 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: you know, black and Puerto Rican kids through parties, right 449 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 3: right right, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, well, 450 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: y'all's economic you know, racist economic practices gave us this 451 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: the same with jazz y' I'm saying, like y'all's racist 452 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: economic things pushed us over into this corner and we 453 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 3: created brilliance out of it. 454 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: Right, It's what's I guess, just broadly, Jack, what's what 455 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 2: is the best thing that hip hop has given you? 456 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: I mean again, like very hard, very very like broad 457 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: question is probably the art form that was the first 458 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: thing that was like that. I was my own, I guess, 459 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't know anybody like I was. 460 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,120 Speaker 1: I was living in the suburbs of Dayton, Ohio when 461 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: I really started getting into wrap. Obviously, at first my 462 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: first introduction was MC Hammer Police Hammer, Don't Hurt Them, right, 463 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: And then my parents didn't let me buy the parental 464 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 1: advice albums like because that as a yeah, like you know, 465 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: they I would like through os Moses pick up like 466 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: R rated movies or you know, they'd be on HBO 467 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: or like you know, my friends would rent them at 468 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: their house. So I was able to see those, but 469 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: like I couldn't break through because that like you were 470 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: never just incidentally like picking it up. You would either 471 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: have to steal it, or like one time I went 472 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: to the record store with like my friend whose parents 473 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: let them get it, and I bought. And this is 474 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: what I thought was edgy at the time, naughty by nature. 475 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: I was like, yes, I finally coughed, and then I 476 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 1: turned the sleeve inside out inside the tape cover so 477 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: that the smart rental advisory thing wasn't on the front, 478 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: right smart, But yeah, and then you know, once I 479 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: was able to like make purchases and like buy everything 480 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: I wanted to do, like Wu Tang was. You know, 481 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: ninety three to ninety seven was probably the best like 482 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: fan experience I ever had, Like best cultural spearents I 483 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: ever had, Like it was the first brand I was 484 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: like super loyal to. I add every single album cover 485 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: as a poster on my wall. Every time a solo 486 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: album would come out, I would like add that poster 487 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: the you know, I didn't have the new Harry Potter 488 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: drop as the thing I camped out for, but I 489 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: still remember like going to the mall the day Wu 490 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Tang Forever dropped and like there being a line and 491 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 1: like playing it in the car on the way home 492 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: with my friend and just and it delivered, you know, 493 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: like I loved that album. 494 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: I have my cousin buy me that album because I 495 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: was like, you know, I was thirteen when that came out, 496 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 2: and I looked like a kid, and my cousin was 497 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 2: older and he's Japanese and we were like I think 498 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 2: we were in New Jersey. I forget why, and we 499 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 2: went to the record so I'm like, hey, you got 500 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: to give me the Wu Tang album and he's like what. 501 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 2: He's like, oh okay. He's like cause they're not going 502 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: to ask you, like they're not going to press you 503 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 2: about being a kid, because I was like, they're going 504 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: to sell it to me. And I remember this black 505 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: woman was checking them out. He brought the fucking CD 506 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: to the counter. She looked at him, she goes, you 507 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: like Wu Tang straight up, and he got so nervous, 508 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: even though it wasn't like are you of age, It's 509 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: just like she felt like she's like what's oh. She's like, okay, 510 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: your dad He's like he's like, oh yeah, yeah I do. 511 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: She's like okay, all right, Like yeah, he goes yeah, 512 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 3: they're nothing to fuk with. 513 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, He's like, I mean they are for the children. 514 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not sure if you've heard, but for 515 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: the children, man, yeah, just generally, I think it was 516 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: the coolest thing I had a chance to be a 517 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: part of. Like, like you know, once it broke mainstream, 518 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: it was definitely like it was outsider art. It bonded 519 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: me with my older sister who was like way cooler 520 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: than me, but like, you know, something to huh, what 521 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: was your sister listening to? She was listening to like everything. 522 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean at that time she was hanging with like 523 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: some straight edge people who listened to raps. So I 524 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: forget specifically, but they made me a mixtape that I 525 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: bet that's where that two thousand song. Actually, no, those 526 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: ninety five, so it would have been well before that, 527 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 1: but like, yeah, there's still songs I recognize from that that. 528 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: You know, we we didn't like have the albums, but 529 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 1: we have like mixtapes, right, that's not when. Yeah, And 530 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: then like she taught me like prep was a bad word, 531 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, she was like, you're not dressing like a 532 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: prep are you? Yeah? 533 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 4: I love it? 534 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 2: Take them dockers off, homie, yeah, prop what about you? 535 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: I mean I can only imagine what you would say, Well, 536 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: it is done for you? Uh yeah, life. It's given 537 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: you the experiences of you had. But what what what's man? 538 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 2: How do you I mean, how do you summarize that? 539 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: It's yeah, you're right, it's so hard to summarize, Like 540 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: you know, I'm I it sounds so cliche. It's on 541 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 3: a T shirt, you know, but truly I can say, like, yeah, 542 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: hip hop saved my life, like in so in so 543 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 3: many ways, in so many levels. Like I mean, yeah, 544 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: I've been a professional rapper for you know, so long, 545 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 3: but like I mean, I saw the world like hip 546 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 3: hop took me across the world. I met my wife 547 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: because of hip hop, you know me, and like you know, 548 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: just my my friend networks to this day, like just everything, 549 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 3: like it gave me so much. Why didn't gang bang? 550 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: It's like you you know, I'm I'm in the age 551 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: range that Jack is, but it was all happening here 552 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 3: for me. So you know, weird, you know, going you know, 553 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: you're eight nine years old, breaking and Breaking two comes out, 554 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 3: you know, And but I could go to Venice, you know, 555 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 3: so you go to Venice Beach and you like, I 556 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 3: don't know what these crips and bloods is talking about. 557 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean that seems I mean, it's cool and everything, 558 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: but that dude just spun on his head right right, 559 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 3: and I don't there's that is the coolest thing I've 560 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: ever seen in my life, right, whatever that is, you 561 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So like, you know, yeah exactly, 562 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: I exactly. I was like, look what you're talking. I 563 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: cut and I'm like, look that mirror you job by 564 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 3: the I remember like going from my house and my 565 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 3: grandmother's house. My grandmother, my grandmother took care of us, 566 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 3: you know, all of our cousins and stuff, and like 567 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: you'd have to cross where the ten and the one 568 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 3: on one met over at the La River, right right 569 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: right by Alamita. So that's where all the big graffiti 570 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: stuff was at. You can't. You're like if you're a 571 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: single digit age and you're seeing that as you that's 572 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: like it's like this is larger than life, Like. 573 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: We who did that? 574 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: Who got to paint that? You know what I mean? 575 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: I was like, I it just I still remember just 576 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 3: the feeling of like I want to be a part 577 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 3: of this, you know. Yeah, the clandestine again, the clandestine 578 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 3: missions to like fat Beats when you know, taste was 579 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: coming out, catching the bust to Melrose. You know what 580 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 3: I'm saying to h to get to fat beats. You 581 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying that. 582 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 4: Like you know it was or something. 583 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: Yet hey, seriously, and that's actually a fly story. This 584 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: front tooth right here, this chip tooth. Taboo did that. 585 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 3: You know it was an accident, you know, because you 586 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: need taboo used to dance. 587 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: You know. 588 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 3: I mean, oh well I saw that all the time, 589 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. 590 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: Because I was remember. 591 00:27:59,840 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 2: This. 592 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm missing this moment. 593 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 3: See a star right here, bro, No, but yeah, but 594 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 3: you see these guys that now it's like, you know, 595 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 3: I'm a preteen while they're you know, in their twenties 596 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 3: and they're creating this culture. You feel me that like 597 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: I'm too young for like Radiotron and all that stuff. 598 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 3: I'm old enough for like Unity Project blow or too 599 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 3: young for you but old enough to go to it. 600 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: So you see, you see dilated peoples when they're teenagers. 601 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 3: You see you know, the far side. You see this 602 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: stuff happening. Dass corrupt snoop, you see it happening. But 603 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 3: they're the big kids, you know what I mean. And 604 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 3: you're like, I just whatever that is, I want to 605 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: be a part of it, and you just so like 606 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: honestly that that's if it wasn't for graffiti, Like if 607 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: it wasn't to find another tribe. You know again, I'm 608 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: from the inner city, Like you find another tribe, that's 609 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 3: not if you're not slaying drugs, you not gangbanging, you're 610 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: not like a you know, I was a late bloomer, 611 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: Like I didn't grow a mustache till college, So I 612 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 3: wasn't I wasn't playing basketball, you know what I'm saying. Like, so, 613 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: but I found my tribe, you know what I'm saying. 614 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 3: And with that tribe, you could be a little more 615 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: open minded. I could go kick with the skaters, like 616 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 3: I could go to Dogtown, you know what I'm saying. 617 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: Because we had hip hop, you know, in common. You 618 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 3: feel me like I didn't have to like stay on 619 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: the block and you know what I'm saying, and like 620 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: be hard and stuff like that, Like you just I 621 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: could be created it all, be artist. Yeah, she's just 622 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: so you Yeah, So I'm like, I mean, obviously I 623 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 3: could gush about hip hop forever, but ultimately, like if 624 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: I were to solidify it is like, yeah, like it 625 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: gave me a place to be you know that got 626 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 3: me through you know, all this stuff that everybody knows 627 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: about the inner cities in the nineties. 628 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah. 629 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: For me, like, you know, being biracial and growing up 630 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: in the San Fernando Valley, it's not like obviously I 631 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 2: have my whole black family and extended family that I 632 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: was able to derive my own sense of blackness from. 633 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: But also when you are but they all lived on 634 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 2: the other side of the city, like in South La. Yeah, yeah, 635 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: and so being there, like unless I was on the 636 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: weekends every day at school, it's like me and like 637 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: maybe a couple other black and brown kids at school, 638 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of my sense of like 639 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 2: my racial identity was a little bit stunted because a 640 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: lot of the communities I were in weren't necessarily looking 641 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 2: like me or had the same existential stakes as I did. 642 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 2: And I think rap was one of those like those 643 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 2: first mainstream forms of media that was speaking just just 644 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: pure unadulterated like blackness, like into my ears and also 645 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: understanding things like the idea like you know, getting into 646 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: more conscious rappers and actually understanding like hearing through hip hop. 647 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: It really actually helped me make sense of like white 648 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 2: supremacy or racism, police violence and things like that, because 649 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't experiencing them firsthand, but I knew based on 650 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: everything my relatives say, well, my father would say, well, 651 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: my grandfather would say about how they grew up, what 652 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: their experiences were, that there was I needed a way 653 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: to sort of, I don't know, I guess connect to it. Yeah, 654 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 2: And again helped me a feel like it's okay that 655 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: I might feel like the odd kid out or whatever 656 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: or good to whatever it is, because there is this 657 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: much larger world where people are being able to like 658 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 2: vocalize something about a struggle that is like being black 659 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: or brown or just in general poor in America, and 660 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 2: I think those things are all very interesting. They helped 661 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 2: me like kind of take it, not take it so 662 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: much for granted. Like in the beginning, I would just love, 663 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 2: like I love, you know, all the bad boys shit 664 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: and like the bling bling air and things like that. 665 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: And then when like black on both sides by most 666 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 2: Deaf came out in nineteen ninety nine, I was like 667 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 2: in eighth grade and that's when like shit started like 668 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: opening up and I was like, oh my god, yes, 669 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,959 Speaker 2: this is like I've finally finding things that are articulating 670 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 2: a lot of deep down injustices that I'm like that 671 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: I'm observing and couldn't quite articulate. So in that sense, 672 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: like that was one of the greatest things to happen, 673 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: is to really get me to see the world differently 674 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: but also understand like where I fit into the larger 675 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 2: context of it all and like what my place was 676 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,239 Speaker 2: in it and that and for me, that's always and 677 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: again like to your point, that's always given me community 678 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: because when I was in high school, I was a DJ, 679 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: and I would like, you know, fancy myself a freestyle 680 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: rapper every now and then if I got drunk enough, 681 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 2: and that made immediately gave me community with all the 682 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: Filipino kids who are the breakers and the DJs and 683 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then I could go and again 684 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: like to your point, you could go, you could you 685 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: could enter a lot of different spaces because at that 686 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 2: point in the early two thousands, hip hop was so pervasive, 687 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: like it was kind of shorthand for a lot of 688 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 2: people to be like, yeah, this is our cultural common ground. 689 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, that also again helped me connect to a 690 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 2: lot more people that I didn't because then even then 691 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: I would look at kids who were like I like 692 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: fucking limp biscuit or whatever, and then like some yeah, yeah, 693 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: it's almost got like yo, like you heard of mac 694 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: dre and I'm like you're white though, Yeah, okay, okay, 695 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 2: what's up? 696 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: Then yeah, tell me more? Yeah, yeah exactly. 697 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: Or like my friends, like my friend, like my my Homiechris, 698 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 2: his older brother Ryan, like the whitest dude you know, 699 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 2: but he was so into Wu Tang at the time. 700 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 2: We were like, yo, Ryan, fuck's Wu Tang and like 701 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 2: we're fucking nine, you know what I mean. And we're 702 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: like real, we fuck with Wu Tang now too, but 703 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: not really realizing like later on you're. 704 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: Like, wow, what was his entry point into Wu Tang? 705 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: But I get that it's all different, but again it's 706 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,479 Speaker 2: just immediately created this like understanding too. So yeah, in 707 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: that sense, that's why i've you know, like i've I 708 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: credit me being more interested in music and making music 709 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 2: and being involved with like more music stuff is all. 710 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 2: It all just really comes from that and finding like 711 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 2: an art form that felt like it was truly like 712 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: speaking to me. 713 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So on the on the question of like what 714 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: because we did this thought experiment last week with Adam 715 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: talking about like if Hollywood had never been unionized, like 716 00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: and I think we landed out, like film looks a 717 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: lot different, TV looks a lot different. So with this 718 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: one's obviously a lot harder to imagine a world where 719 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: hip hop had never been invented. I do think like 720 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: it seems inevitable in the past tense but like just 721 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: how absolutely like perfect it was for the moment and 722 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: for the past fifty years of culture, Like it fully 723 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: embodies like all the thing like postmodernism, where like it 724 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: just takes from the rest of the world ingests it 725 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: and like creates new art that is like perfect and 726 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: constantly evolving, and like you know, resists kind of being 727 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: co opted, but then still ultimately is co opted. So 728 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: like it works like in the same way that we 729 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: talk about like capitalism as being this like living, breathing entity, 730 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: Like it feels like hip hop is this both like 731 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: part of that but also like kind of a response 732 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: to it, and like I don't know better than it 733 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: in some in some instance and says like better at 734 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: doing the thing that capitalism aims to do. So like 735 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: I think it's inevitable. I don't think it's it would 736 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: have inevitably been as perfect and brilliant as it ended 737 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: up being. And like, I just like I kept thinking 738 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 1: of Dick Cabot for whatever reason when we were talking 739 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: about what pop culture like Dick Cabot, and like the 740 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: people in the seventies have you ever seen, Like I 741 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: didn't know who Dick cabb was until he started like 742 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: making the rounds in like viral videos where people are like, 743 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: look how high David Bowie is in this interview, and 744 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: it's like him talking to Dick Cabot, right, And Dick 745 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: Cabot is just this like skinny white dude with his 746 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: like hair combed to the side, and he's like in 747 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: a suit, and his way of talking is just so 748 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like sexless and upper crust and 749 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: like he's never been on any street anywhere, like he's 750 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: never been wet before or something like. It's just like 751 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 1: it just like like thinking about that like made me 752 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 1: think back to like the seventies was really a fucked 753 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: up time where I feel like white, straight white men 754 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: had had just complete unaccountable cultural power for like way 755 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: too long and sudden they like made it cool to 756 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: look like Burt Reynolds and like the beauty standards for women, 757 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: like women like started like that was when like Brookshields 758 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: became a sex symbol, like in the late seventies, like 759 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: when she was like thirteen or like twelve, Like it 760 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: was just it was like this really toxic, fucked up thing. 761 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: So like I don't I don't know where that would 762 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: have gone, but it feels like hip hop came through 763 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: and at least partially was an antibody and was like, Okay, 764 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: we need to relieve straight white men of some of 765 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: this power to decide what is cool and what is 766 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: sexy and what like people should wear and talk like 767 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: because they are fucking up, like so bad Smoky in 768 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: the bandit is number one at the box office. We 769 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: need to we need to do something. 770 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 4: Something must be done. 771 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: That's funny. I'd like taking your thought experience. Like I 772 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 3: think about in our home when both my parents were 773 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 3: My parents split when I started high school, but like 774 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 3: before that, you know, my dad was the like the 775 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 3: former revolutionary. You know, I said all the time, my 776 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 3: father was a black panther. So it was just all 777 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 3: he was all about, you know, unity among suffering people everywhere. 778 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 3: My mom, you know, was the like she's from the hood, 779 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 3: but she you know, had a radical like Christian conversion, 780 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But she's still from the city, 781 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,719 Speaker 3: so she still had a little street about her, but 782 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 3: was really more about like my soul and like it 783 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 3: might be being like, you know, influenced by the wrong 784 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 3: things my father because of like you said, like the 785 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 3: type of hip hop I was drawn to really young, 786 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 3: was like the yeah, the self destructions and that we're 787 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 3: all in the same game. The really stuff that's about 788 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,479 Speaker 3: like you know, even just like the tribe call quest 789 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 3: and the poor righteous teachers, the stuff that was just 790 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 3: about this like black excellence, you know what I'm saying this, 791 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 3: and like you said, like the struggle against you know, oppression. 792 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 3: So to your point, like him coming from the time 793 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: of the revolution, like Marvin Gaye's what's going on? 794 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: Right? 795 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,280 Speaker 3: I didn't, I got it. But that was my parents' music, 796 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like the hip hop was 797 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 3: a way in some ways for my dad to like 798 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:39,359 Speaker 3: be able to have an inroad into transferring you know, 799 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 3: the torch the mission down to me because of the 800 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 3: hip hop I like, now granted, you know, I had 801 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 3: same as you. I had like the list of rappers 802 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't allowed to buy tapes for, you know, the 803 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: NWA's and the IC I wouldn't allowed to have. Ohs, 804 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 3: I remember we had a list on refrigerator of course. 805 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,319 Speaker 3: But same thing. My sister six years older than me, 806 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 3: she was part of like a house party like dancing crew, 807 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,839 Speaker 3: like totally like like the house party movies. Right, that's 808 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 3: my sister. Like she was that age and she was 809 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 3: doing that, you know what I'm saying. And her friends 810 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 3: was bringing tapes in when I was like third and 811 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 3: fourth grade. You know what I'm saying. You know, get 812 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,720 Speaker 3: getting access to this stuff. But either way, I think, 813 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 3: like you said, like a way for this my dad 814 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 3: to be able to be like, yo, this is the movement, 815 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: and him having the wherewithal to be like what if 816 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 3: my son is you know what I'm saying, being drawn 817 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 3: to this, you know, this thing that we've created. He's like, 818 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 3: I don't have to like it. He's like, I like 819 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 3: some of it, but he's like, you know what I'm saying, Like, 820 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: but let me be a part of this. So I 821 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 3: think to your point, like hip hop became in some 822 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: ways the continual voice of resistance that was happening with 823 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 3: the generation before us. But just like the generation before 824 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 3: us in the generation before them, Like you said, the 825 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,040 Speaker 3: Empire always strikes, you know what I'm saying, So like 826 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: there was all always going to be, you know, a 827 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 3: money making version that, if we're not careful, was going 828 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 3: to envelop the whole thing I brought up on the 829 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 3: text thread, like Rappers Delight, you know, being a hip 830 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 3: a hup, a hippie to the hippie to hip hop. 831 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 3: People believing that that was like the first rap song, 832 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 3: Well that was seven years later, you know what I'm saying. 833 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,280 Speaker 3: And not only was it seven years later, the Cold Crush. 834 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: The guys that were in that group were the Cold 835 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 3: Crush brothers bodyguards and some lady was starting a rap 836 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 3: group for their record label and they were auditioning people 837 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: and the dude was like, hey, grand Master Cast, can 838 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: you write me a rap? And guys like sure, I guess. 839 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,240 Speaker 3: So he wrote them a rap and that rap became 840 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 3: Raper's Delight, and they're the megastars and hits. Because the 841 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 3: Empire always strikes, you know what I'm saying. But that 842 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 3: being said, I think, yeah, like I don't know what 843 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:02,759 Speaker 3: would have been our sort of entry into the continuation 844 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: of feeling like you're a part of this longer heritage 845 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 3: of like the black and brown experience, you know, without 846 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 3: us creating our own version of that, whether it was djaying, 847 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: because I remember, if there's no hip hop, there's no 848 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,879 Speaker 3: DJs like that. So there's so much you know, there's 849 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 3: no streetwear, there's no like so much missing. 850 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,360 Speaker 2: That's more than just rap music, right, That's why I 851 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: feel like it's more than like if there was a 852 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,440 Speaker 2: world without it. I feel like more if anything just 853 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 2: be delayed because I think hip hop is inevitable and 854 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 2: like to your point right about you know, you talk 855 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: about before there was fuck the police or fight the power, 856 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 2: there was like say aloud, I'm black and I'm proud 857 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 2: exacts James Brown, or you have Spy Stone and you 858 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,320 Speaker 2: have the Black Panthers and you look at digital underground 859 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: like Moneybe his parents were Panthers, Tupac comes from, Like 860 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 2: there's like that's a very I think I was, And 861 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 2: I wrote that in my notes about like it is 862 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 2: a continuation, and it was just like it's no surprise 863 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 2: that a lot of these people come from that tradition, 864 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 2: and that was sort of the earliest way to articulate 865 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: the struggles of the community, talking about like pervasive police 866 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,040 Speaker 2: power or you know, the prison industrial complex. That was 867 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 2: just the new vocabulary to use to to be able 868 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 2: to talk about that and express that. So like, yeah, 869 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: in a way, like I feel like it's inevitable and 870 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: maybe could have only been delayed because that's that was 871 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 2: just unfortunately, that's the momentum of our society was always 872 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 2: sort of marginalizing people. And yeah, it turned out that 873 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 2: a block party. 874 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:34,799 Speaker 4: Gave us all this. 875 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think, yeah, it's really no surprise, that's 876 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 2: what I think. It's also important, you got to California 877 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 2: also has a huge part in hip hop because particularly 878 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 2: the Bay because that's what the blank Like, you think 879 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: of how many people from the Black Panther Party come 880 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 2: out of the Bay Area. You think sly Stone comes 881 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: out of the Bay Area, and how many people reference 882 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 2: sly also as an influence and even his time as 883 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 2: a DJ, he had that swag was kind of like 884 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: early rapping. 885 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 3: You know, all of our slang, almost all of our 886 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 3: slang come from the Bay Yeah, almost all of it. 887 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: You know. 888 00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's so it is wild when you look 889 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,720 Speaker 2: again that even in a way that we talk about 890 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 2: the Bronx or we talk about California whatever, that's what 891 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 2: makes it feel like inevitable. It's not so much that obviously, 892 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,440 Speaker 2: Like if you want to find a way that like 893 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 2: it really began, we can we can talk about those 894 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 2: links to New York. But again, it was just I 895 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,920 Speaker 2: think cultural momentum that just basically came through and just said, Okay, 896 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 2: here's a new way of doing everything we've been doing. 897 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 3: There's a beauty in like, you know, even it being 898 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 3: even just the regional expressions you know of how hip 899 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 3: hop kind of came came to be what it is 900 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 3: and what Southern music sounds like. You know what I'm saying, 901 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 3: Like my homeboy says, like the way he explains it 902 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 3: to me is like the type of like la underground 903 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 3: stuff like see that as like jazz, but like the 904 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 3: Southern stuff like that's blues. Like it just feels right, 905 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,919 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, you know, all white me down, 906 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 3: Like it just feels right, you feel me Like they're 907 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 3: not words, doesn't have to be words, you know what 908 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's just the tall white t's you know 909 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like that it just comes from that 910 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 3: mud that soil that Memphis because that's where the blues 911 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 3: was from. So their kids are gonna sound like that, 912 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Just the fact, Like I 913 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 3: think it's very important to remember that, like hip hop 914 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,080 Speaker 3: is not just rapping, you know what I mean. Like 915 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,640 Speaker 3: the why we used records was because they're our schools 916 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,000 Speaker 3: didn't have music programs, so like, you know, we had 917 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 3: to create music with what we had, you know what 918 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,319 Speaker 3: I'm saying. So like and that's what they did out 919 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 3: here in the West. It was like, yeah, we had 920 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 3: all the you know, the g funk stuff, you know 921 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,479 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, all the all the funk cadelic stuff 922 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 3: because we were outside. It was a nice day outside, 923 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 3: so you went out, you roll skated, you was on 924 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 3: the beach, you know. So our music just sounded different 925 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000 Speaker 3: that region. And I love that, like hip hop was 926 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 3: always able to to provide that palette for you to 927 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 3: map your experience and your culture on. And which always 928 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 3: makes me mad for like all heads that are like 929 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,479 Speaker 3: these young niggas is weird, you know what I'm saying, 930 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 3: Like I get mad at that like that's not real. 931 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I'm like, man, like, yeah, exactly, 932 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 3: Como these grapes weapon Like okay, guys like. 933 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 2: Rock Kim is the gold, I will hear nothing less. 934 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 3: It's like ro okay, Like that's your thing, you know 935 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Like so when like you know, when 936 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 3: you like you, you Miles, you at an age of 937 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 3: like the Cali Swag Unit, you know what I'm saying. Like, 938 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,359 Speaker 3: so when they was you know, that's your that's your 939 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 3: age what I'm saying. So the cool kids and the 940 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 3: uh you know in the jerkin you're a jerky Yeah yeah, 941 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,680 Speaker 3: all the Pac divs and stuff like that, Like that's 942 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 3: that's what they did. They took what they took, what 943 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 3: was they were exposed to, and they made something they own, 944 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So even with the mumbo stuff, 945 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 3: Like I'm not the disciple dude to be like I'm 946 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 3: not going to ride in my car with it, but 947 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799 Speaker 3: I get it, like they they took what they had 948 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 3: and they made it their own. And I just think that, 949 00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 3: like you said, it's inevitable you're going to make treasure 950 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 3: out of whatever you was given. 951 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 4: Right, right, because that is the process of it all. 952 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 2: It's like you take what's left over, what you have 953 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 2: access to, and can you just turn that into something 954 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,000 Speaker 2: like because one thing that I always think about, too, 955 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 2: is like how pervasive hip hop is? You know, like, 956 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 2: obviously it's an American art form, but now it's I'd 957 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 2: be hard pressed to think about country where it does 958 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 2: not exist, And I don't know how many genres of 959 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,880 Speaker 2: music you can actually say that, and even if you 960 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 2: think too, like what's really interesting even in America? Right, 961 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 2: Like I think numerically most of the consumers of hip 962 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 2: hop are white people, because. 963 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 4: That's it, that's just what it is. 964 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 2: But I'm always curious to think about what makes it 965 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 2: so attractive. Now I get why, Like I can see 966 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 2: how for oppressed people in any country, this hip hop 967 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 2: is a way it's one of the few genres or 968 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 2: it's like it's articulating struggle, it's articulating like trying to 969 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 2: move towards liberation whatever however it's defined. So I see 970 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,239 Speaker 2: that appeal there, and but then eventually that turns into 971 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 2: a thing that some more like authoritarian states consider like 972 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,799 Speaker 2: subversive art because they're giving voice to something that a 973 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 2: lot of people are feeling, but in a way that 974 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 2: is just very like easily replicated and very shareable, you know. 975 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 2: And I think that's just a huge aspect of it that, 976 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 2: like I mean credit to like what it is as 977 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 2: an art form, because it doesn't necessarily have to be 978 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 2: like it's black people or people from the inner cities 979 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,719 Speaker 2: in America doing this. It's also here is a here's 980 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 2: a here's a set of ideas in aesthetic yeah, to 981 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,800 Speaker 2: express you know, a struggle. 982 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:41,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's perfectly built as like a foil 983 00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: to capitalism almost in the sense that, like the way 984 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaker 1: capitalism operates is it consumes and appropriates everything and ends 985 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,919 Speaker 1: up destroying it, right or like making it uncol hip 986 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: hop consumes and turns everything into art and gets consumed 987 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: by capitalism, but then it always changes to something new 988 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,399 Speaker 1: that capitalism then come for. But then by the time 989 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 1: it gets to it, it's always changed to something new. 990 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,319 Speaker 1: So I think like part of the appeal is just 991 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,320 Speaker 1: that it it doesn't ever fully get bogged down because 992 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,200 Speaker 1: it always becomes something new that capitalism like just kind 993 00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: of by the ethos of hip hop. It feels like 994 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: that is what it's seen as true. Hip hop is 995 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: not the stuff that is made year like decades into 996 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: a certain style being popular, like now drill is popular, 997 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: Like but like you can think about like the way 998 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: drill was, like it was a Chicago thing. Then like 999 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,719 Speaker 1: a bunch of producers in London started making beats, but 1000 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,640 Speaker 1: then like people in New York started like wrapping over 1001 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,920 Speaker 1: those beats in a matter of like three weeks. All 1002 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: that shit can't seem like yeah, like and that's the 1003 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: now like probably considered washed, but it's the that changes 1004 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: and like there's a new form of authenticity. But I 1005 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: am curious like from here, like you talked about it's 1006 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: popularity and other countries, and it's also like frequently banned 1007 00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: in other countries. And I'm just wondering, like will there 1008 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: ever be the moment when like hip hop becomes like 1009 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: the sound of a revolution that likes it like actually 1010 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: overtly resists capitalism in some way, like it feels like 1011 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: the natural weapon for that, right. 1012 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I think there's like there's always 1013 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:32,239 Speaker 3: this discussion because you lay you have these like concentric 1014 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 3: sort of intersections, if you will, whether it's resistance commerce, 1015 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 3: you know, capitalism, liberation, peace, love, unity and having fun 1016 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,879 Speaker 3: if you ask like karas One, you know what I'm saying. 1017 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,239 Speaker 3: So you have all these concentric things laying on there, 1018 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,360 Speaker 3: and then there's this discussion where you have you know, 1019 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,800 Speaker 3: hip hop's still only it's fifty but it's only fifty, 1020 00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 3: so meaning we've we ain't. We only got one bono 1021 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,400 Speaker 3: and the closest of that is jay Z, you know 1022 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. That's like Hove is the closest thing 1023 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,360 Speaker 3: we have to a bono and the closest thing we 1024 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,440 Speaker 3: have of someone becoming a politicians killer Mike, you know 1025 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,719 Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, so in fifty years, we only 1026 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 3: got two dudes that actually grew up, you know what 1027 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 3: I'm saying, and became something more transcendent. And both of them, 1028 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,359 Speaker 3: and this is a critique that people haven't in hip hop, 1029 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 3: both of their solutions to liberation is just black capitalism. Yeah, 1030 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying is just you know, own 1031 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 3: your own businesses to support black banks. Only put your 1032 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 3: money here, you know what I'm saying. So it's like 1033 00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,799 Speaker 3: there's this like discussion around that, and then you have 1034 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,759 Speaker 3: dudes like you know, you're Chuck D's of the world, 1035 00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 3: that are like, nah, burn it all down, you know 1036 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,200 Speaker 3: what I mean. So you know in dead Press it's like, yo, 1037 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 3: burn it all down, but dead Press still wants you 1038 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,800 Speaker 3: to buy a fifty dollars ticket to their concert, you 1039 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:51,360 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 1040 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 4: So there's this like there's a tension. 1041 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 3: There's this tension that is a microcosm. I think of 1042 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,799 Speaker 3: movements everywhere, you know what I mean, where it's like well, 1043 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 3: like you said, hip hop being or not hip hop 1044 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 3: capitalism being so pervasive and so just swallowed earth in 1045 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,040 Speaker 3: a way that like I don't know if any of 1046 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,080 Speaker 3: us can amat and even like you go back to 1047 00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 3: like old like the old, old, old old old, like 1048 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 3: you know, Cowboy and like check yourself for you wreck 1049 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 3: yourself rapping like they were talking about their Coop de 1050 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 3: Vils and like you know, they rolling down, you know 1051 00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 3: what I mean. Nate Dan Gather there the projects, that 1052 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 3: stuff is imaginary, like they're imagining all the big chains 1053 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So like that's what hip hop was. 1054 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 3: He's big rope chains. That's capitalism. I got money now, 1055 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. That's because we was po, 1056 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So like, yeah, liberation of 1057 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 3: them meant not being poor anymore. So there's just this 1058 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 3: like I don't know, man. 1059 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,240 Speaker 2: Also there's a dark side, right because all that doochie 1060 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 2: chain stuff all comes from just rappers want to look 1061 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 2: like the drug dealers. 1062 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,239 Speaker 4: They just want to look Callian drug dealers know less. 1063 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 2: And there's such a bizarre like fun house mirror like 1064 00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,399 Speaker 2: being aimed at each other thing that like reflects back 1065 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,360 Speaker 2: and like it's it is always like it's a very 1066 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,720 Speaker 2: complex interconnected system in that way. 1067 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 3: And yeah, and even to that point, I'm sorry, let me, 1068 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,680 Speaker 3: I try not to dominate, but even to that point, 1069 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,319 Speaker 3: like there's even a discussion that like our version of 1070 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,520 Speaker 3: venture capitalism is drug dealing. Like it's like you get 1071 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 3: your money, I don't want. I can't go to these 1072 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 3: white bank as you said, the supremacy. I can't go 1073 00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 3: to these traditional I can't go to the white bank. 1074 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 3: So that's why rappers are always like yo, I used 1075 00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 3: to be in the streets. Now I do this because 1076 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 3: that was their version of like investment capital. So it's 1077 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 3: still just like you said, this fun house mirror, because 1078 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,439 Speaker 3: we're still just street dudes, you know what I'm saying. 1079 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 3: And with the street dudes thing. There's still the homophobia, 1080 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,839 Speaker 3: there's still the misogyny, There's still all these things that 1081 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,440 Speaker 3: like are mirrors of stuff that we just need to 1082 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 3: deal with period. That just to your question, Jack, Like, 1083 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 3: I honestly don't know if it'll ever fully be that 1084 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 3: liberate liberation sort of thing you're asking. But also part 1085 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 3: of the protest is the joy, like the party, you 1086 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:13,719 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying to turning up, That is part 1087 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 3: of the protest is like despite what we're going through, 1088 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 3: we're goinna turn up, you know. 1089 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally. Yeah. 1090 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,560 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like no name is somebody who's like 1091 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 1: interesting and has like kind of socialist politics and makes 1092 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: really cool music, and she has an album coming out 1093 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: August eleventh, so I'll be look yeah that I. 1094 00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 2: Mean, there's no shortage of those like artists either, you know, 1095 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's why it that's the beauty of it. 1096 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 2: And the kind of sort of dark part too, is 1097 00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,120 Speaker 2: like you can kind of there's. 1098 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,640 Speaker 4: It's all encompassing. Yeah. 1099 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 2: But yeah, like that point about Jay, Like it's funny 1100 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,640 Speaker 2: because I remember when he said that He's like I 1101 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 2: feel like people are using capitalists as a slur. 1102 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:01,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, sir, now, but I can be changed quickly. I 1103 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 1: mean things changed on them real quickly. Yeah, on all 1104 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: of real So yeah, yeah, well probably. I mean I 1105 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: love to have you on for a ten hour episode 1106 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: where we just talked about this. 1107 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,000 Speaker 2: I know I do actually have a question because you 1108 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 2: did bring it up. And this is something I always 1109 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 2: think about is a lot of people who from the 1110 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 2: old school, they are have a liberation mindset, right, and 1111 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:25,920 Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people who are a 1112 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 2: little more their head is in the space of like 1113 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,799 Speaker 2: black liberation, liberating like working people, all that, and being 1114 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,479 Speaker 2: as inclusive as possible. At what point do you think 1115 00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,319 Speaker 2: it could hip hop not that it would completely sort 1116 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,760 Speaker 2: of divorce itself from a lot of like the misogynistic 1117 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 2: or sort of like problematic aspects of it, because I 1118 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,480 Speaker 2: don't know, part of me, like I always think of 1119 00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,359 Speaker 2: when people talk about it, I say, I think, on 1120 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 2: one hand, it's reflecting an experience of a person and 1121 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 2: they're speaking from that experience. 1122 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 4: Other times it does. 1123 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 2: Feel egregious, it feels excessive, it doesn't further anything artistically, 1124 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,759 Speaker 2: And I wonder if if it's so ingrained that it's 1125 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,200 Speaker 2: at a certain point like will like the most popping 1126 00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 2: artists be the ones who actually aren't calling women bitches 1127 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,359 Speaker 2: or hoes or saying something different. And I wonder if 1128 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,879 Speaker 2: if that's also another hurdle that like mainstream hip hop, 1129 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,600 Speaker 2: like you know, can't it cross that barrier. And that's 1130 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,759 Speaker 2: something always think about all the time, because that that 1131 00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,040 Speaker 2: does feel like something I wish people were more conscious of, 1132 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,920 Speaker 2: because it does affect everything around us, especially with you know, 1133 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 2: like ho misogyny especially affects like, you know, women of color, 1134 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,440 Speaker 2: and that feels like antithetical to kind of the reasons 1135 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,440 Speaker 2: why you want to you know, like you want to 1136 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 2: be liberated and do those Yeah. 1137 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,799 Speaker 3: Nah, it's weird, man. I think that that sort of 1138 00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 3: contradiction even sits in when you think of like the 1139 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,320 Speaker 3: albums the rap albums of the Year that the Grammys 1140 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 3: are choosing. I mean, they're choosing nas, they're choosing to 1141 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,920 Speaker 3: five nine, they're choosing Smoke. They're choosing these artists that 1142 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:06,759 Speaker 3: are saying important things. But those aren't the number one 1143 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 3: songs on the radio. Matter of fact, a lot of 1144 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,920 Speaker 3: those songs aren't on the radio at all. You know 1145 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,920 Speaker 3: who's on the issues He already yeah, he got his 1146 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 3: thing too, you know what I'm saying. So there's this 1147 00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 3: weird yeah, like what is what are the labels and 1148 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,640 Speaker 3: radio pushing? You know? What are the kids wanting? And 1149 00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 3: are really the kids just wanting this because they're getting 1150 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 3: it from the radio, you know, versus what the industry 1151 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 3: if you will, the gatekeepers, if you will, what are 1152 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,640 Speaker 3: they rewarding because you take somebody like NBA Chappa who 1153 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 3: like he's blacklisted, but is the behind Drake is the 1154 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,799 Speaker 3: highest streaming artists, you know what I'm saying. So like, 1155 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 3: even no matter what the industry does, if this what 1156 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 3: the streets want, this what the streets want, you know 1157 00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:58,959 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I just I wonder if it's like, yeah, 1158 00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,160 Speaker 3: is this it's not so much a hip hop thing 1159 00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,080 Speaker 3: but a conversation of who are who do we want 1160 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:06,960 Speaker 3: to be as a people? You know what I'm saying. 1161 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 3: And then, like you said, the art reflects that. So 1162 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,360 Speaker 3: it's like the market, I asked the other other X factor, 1163 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,720 Speaker 3: The market don't care. The Market's like what y'all want? 1164 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, here, you. 1165 00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, Like, market don't care? Yeah, what's 1166 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 3: popping right now? Okay? Give them twenty more of that, 1167 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And yeah, udalism comes in, 1168 00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 3: That's what capitalism comes in. So like, man, I think 1169 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 3: hip hop's gonna go the way that in my mind 1170 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,480 Speaker 3: I look at like metal and rock to where it's 1171 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,080 Speaker 3: like it evolves into these other things and we can 1172 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,480 Speaker 3: a we could become the dudes in the basement, you 1173 00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,240 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying with our AC DC T shirts 1174 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,000 Speaker 3: talking about Motorheads own the last real group, you know 1175 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,480 Speaker 3: what I mean? Right, and then or we could just 1176 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,600 Speaker 3: let it evolve, let it change, let it become what 1177 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 3: it is, and just kind of be proud of whatever 1178 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,400 Speaker 3: iterations that they have and like and hope that we're 1179 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,200 Speaker 3: teaching these young brothers, these young girls to like be 1180 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,160 Speaker 3: different in the world. Do you feel me? Because yeah, 1181 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 3: Like like to this day, like I throw which was 1182 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 3: probably gonna be my plug, Like I throw this party 1183 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:14,680 Speaker 3: every first Sunday in Long Beach, and when it ain't 1184 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,520 Speaker 3: no fun comes on. I mean, don't one hundred and 1185 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,520 Speaker 3: fifty two hundred people when men women till everybody's singing it, 1186 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't it and 1187 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,120 Speaker 3: then you have to stop the song and be like, hey, listen, 1188 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,240 Speaker 3: nobody really say this. Don't actually say this to anyone, 1189 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 3: like these are exactly these are not okay words in 1190 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:35,120 Speaker 3: real life. 1191 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 2: It's wild when the whole party goes up going when 1192 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 2: I met that baby, right, we opened your gap and 1193 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,080 Speaker 2: you're right, heah. 1194 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,720 Speaker 3: You even licked my balls like that's in the song. 1195 00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,760 Speaker 3: Or would we be like, yo, what's my favorite word? 1196 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,160 Speaker 3: Bitch the whole party and you're like, don't really call 1197 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 3: nobody that though, Like, don't actually say that to nobody, 1198 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,760 Speaker 3: But like, I don't know, is it well? 1199 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 2: I think yeah, And I get again, I don't mean 1200 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,000 Speaker 2: to say that this is even exclusively something that's happening 1201 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 2: hip hop, because again, every art form is going to 1202 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,000 Speaker 2: reflect back what is happening in society on some levels. 1203 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,240 Speaker 2: So like, I'm not trying to pin all of our 1204 00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 2: ills on hip hop at all, but I'm just trying 1205 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 2: to think of like because to your point, it is 1206 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 2: evolving now and we see more like LGBTQ rappers coming 1207 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,960 Speaker 2: in the game starting to chart, or you know, like 1208 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:28,440 Speaker 2: female identifying rappers, if just it that already is evolving 1209 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,800 Speaker 2: because again, all those groups also have their own sets 1210 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,680 Speaker 2: of struggles and oppression that they're dealing with and it 1211 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,560 Speaker 2: so it shouldn't be a surprise that naturally the language 1212 00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 2: of hip hop would migrate. 1213 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:39,480 Speaker 4: To those places. 1214 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, I feel like I'm always excited me too, 1215 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,760 Speaker 2: because for every like SoundCloud rapper, I'm like, come on, y'all, 1216 00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:51,840 Speaker 2: this is not good music. There is some forward thinking 1217 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,120 Speaker 2: or kind of trippy artists who's like, yeah, I kind 1218 00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 2: of take these kinds like I'm kind of doing like 1219 00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,800 Speaker 2: emo rap, like I'm fusing emo with rap, and I'm like, okay, yeah. 1220 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Dude, do it do you? 1221 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, exact totally with it, saying I never 1222 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 3: want to be that because I feel like that's you 1223 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 3: just put it. You put an expiration date on You 1224 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 3: might as well just go buy your Dockers and your 1225 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,760 Speaker 3: in your new Balance, you know what I'm saying. 1226 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 1: Your T shirt? 1227 01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you just give up. Yeah, just give up the 1228 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,920 Speaker 3: day you just put an expiration date. Whenever you start 1229 01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 3: being like he's young. I don't like none of this 1230 01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,600 Speaker 3: young rap, but I'm like, oh, it's not for you. 1231 01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,600 Speaker 3: It's fine. Let them have it. That's dope. Be excited 1232 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,520 Speaker 3: for them, you know what I'm saying. 1233 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 4: Be a o G. 1234 01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 3: Don't be a oh yead be a O G. 1235 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, true, that's facts. 1236 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, because we've we've definitely met people Jack, We've met 1237 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 2: people who are like, yeah, you know, like the new stuff, 1238 01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 2: not really messing with Bro that. 1239 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,480 Speaker 3: Dude show up. They're still showing up in his like 1240 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 3: oversized throwback Jersey got his baseball cap cock just a 1241 01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:54,600 Speaker 3: little bit to the side, said I'm like, yeah, yeah, 1242 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,360 Speaker 3: he's like, Yo, this is real hip hop. You see 1243 01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 3: these jinkos now ranted. My daughter's wearing ginkos now, which 1244 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:00,600 Speaker 3: is pretty cool to see. 1245 01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but and that's not why he doing it. She's 1246 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 2: asking you if you have a four x tall T 1247 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,280 Speaker 2: white condition can wear. 1248 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,959 Speaker 3: Just relax the oversize fitted cat come on man, looking 1249 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,520 Speaker 3: like fabulous in two thousand and one, like. 1250 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,680 Speaker 2: No, I don't tie my do rag under here, I'll 1251 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 2: I'll let that blow on the wind. 1252 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,760 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Prop, we could honestly have you back on 1253 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,160 Speaker 1: every day to talk about this. Such a pleasure having you. 1254 01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? 1255 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could follow me all on like prop hip hop. 1256 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 3: Oh that's all my at mentions, you know, and that's 1257 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 3: my website. I do have one like plug for anybody 1258 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,240 Speaker 3: in the LA area. Like I said, I do a 1259 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,600 Speaker 3: party every speaking of hip hop, we're doing a fiftieth 1260 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,640 Speaker 3: anniversary kind of celebration with y'all. Well you appreciate this 1261 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 3: with all the original mix masters from kJ LA the 1262 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,480 Speaker 3: fifteen eighty one, so we're talking Battlect Julio g Like, 1263 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 3: whoa they originally Yeah, it's crazy. They're all coming. So 1264 01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,600 Speaker 3: Real Ones it's every first Sunday. So this one is 1265 01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 3: August sixth in Long Beach. Go to club real Ones 1266 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 3: dot Com. Get you a ticket, Dude, It's gonna be 1267 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,000 Speaker 3: super dope. 1268 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,160 Speaker 4: Man. 1269 01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 3: I throw it with the beach junkies. So like it'll 1270 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,880 Speaker 3: be Icy Ice is there. You know DJ Curse is there. 1271 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 3: It's gonna be like Baker Boys are coming. Like it's 1272 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,960 Speaker 3: gonna be like an incredible, incredible. 1273 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: Huh with Tita. Tito's coming. 1274 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:25,240 Speaker 3: No, this is Tito. 1275 01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,800 Speaker 1: This is gonna be there. 1276 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 3: You think I'm kidding. Tito's gonna be there. 1277 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 5: No. 1278 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,680 Speaker 3: From Tito Top four four, Title's four playing four. 1279 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,440 Speaker 1: This is Tito in Las. All my girls they call 1280 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,080 Speaker 1: me ross up yo. That was. 1281 01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,160 Speaker 3: Now now now okay let me now, he say, he 1282 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 3: come in now. Let me let me put that let 1283 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,200 Speaker 3: me put that cat in. The Baker boys, Nick, Nick 1284 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,480 Speaker 3: and Eric they pull up all the time, so they'll 1285 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 3: probably be there just because like because again it's the 1286 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,920 Speaker 3: Mixed Masters, so they'll be there now. They last time 1287 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 3: they last time Eric came, he said Tito was coming. 1288 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,280 Speaker 3: So let's I think this might be the weekend. But yeah, 1289 01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,960 Speaker 3: club real ones dot com, please come pull up on 1290 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,560 Speaker 3: me and you guys to y'all too on this screen. 1291 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,400 Speaker 4: Yes, please come. 1292 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,920 Speaker 1: Okay, that'd be amazing. 1293 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, bru, I mean every every name you said I got, 1294 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,280 Speaker 2: I aged like ID aged. 1295 01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,680 Speaker 4: Five years yeah, as soon as you heard it, yep. 1296 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:23,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, cool amazing. 1297 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,040 Speaker 1: Is there a work of media you've been enjoying. 1298 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of work of media I've been enjoying. Okay, 1299 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,960 Speaker 3: I'm almost like mourning too, like knowing, like all these 1300 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,680 Speaker 3: shows I've been watching our ending and I'm like, well 1301 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,240 Speaker 3: they're they're not returning now for a while, you know, 1302 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,840 Speaker 3: because nobody's writing right now as it should be. But 1303 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 3: I think my favorite one is this tweet from my 1304 01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,840 Speaker 3: home boy, homeboy Toby Unwigway. He was like for Twitter, 1305 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, that X is the perfect symbol 1306 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 3: for Twitter. I was like, it just plays so well 1307 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,040 Speaker 3: into just how unaware Elon is about it himself. Yeah, 1308 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 3: like you you are. I've never met someone so well. 1309 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,440 Speaker 3: Obviously I've never met him, but like, I don't know 1310 01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,880 Speaker 3: anybody has that lacks that much self awareness? Are you 1311 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,440 Speaker 3: calling it? X? And like you damn right? You know 1312 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:24,400 Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Yes you are, Yes, you are X right. 1313 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 1: I was reading this thing about streetwear, like the a 1314 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,280 Speaker 1: guy who's like the king of streetwear in the fashion community, 1315 01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Philippe Pleine or something Pleaan. He's like a German dude. 1316 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: But he was like interviewed and he was like I 1317 01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,960 Speaker 1: love underdog stories like I love Elon Musk and I 1318 01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,120 Speaker 1: just had to stop reading. 1319 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:46,840 Speaker 3: I was so yeah, I can't talk no more. 1320 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,480 Speaker 1: Then he was launching uh like pair of sneakers that 1321 01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,520 Speaker 1: he co designed with Snoop, and I was just like, fuck. 1322 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,920 Speaker 3: Man, now I have to buy the shoes, damn it. 1323 01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,320 Speaker 4: That yeah, conflicted. 1324 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,800 Speaker 1: Miles, Where can people find you? What's working media? You've 1325 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,320 Speaker 1: been enjoyed? 1326 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,840 Speaker 2: Just wherever there's at symbols at miles of gray, that's 1327 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, threads too or you know. 1328 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,680 Speaker 4: I actually I do thread things over whatever we call them. Yeah, yeah, 1329 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 4: yeah cool. 1330 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,360 Speaker 2: Let's see a tweet that I like at Noah Garfinkle 1331 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,720 Speaker 2: tweeted in this house. We believe that X is the 1332 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 2: coolest letter. Sixty nine is the funniest number. Paul Pelosi 1333 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,520 Speaker 2: gade himself with a hammer, and memes can be a bank. 1334 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,520 Speaker 2: It's a peak blue check Twitter out front signs. 1335 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 4: That you would have. 1336 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 1: Amazing tweet I've been enjoying is actually a screencap of 1337 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: a blue sky from truck Chris at truck Cris dot 1338 01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:56,040 Speaker 1: Yes best guy at dot Social uv Allde cops cowering 1339 01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,959 Speaker 1: behind their vehicle softly whispering. Try that in a small town. 1340 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Oh You've dared me on X at Jack Underscore O'Brien 1341 01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,200 Speaker 1: and on threads at Jack Underscore, Oh Underscore, Brian love 1342 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 1: An Underscore. You can find us on Twitter at daily Zeikeeist. 1343 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 1: We're at d daily Zekegeist on Instagram. We have a 1344 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,040 Speaker 1: Facebook fanpage and a website daily zeikeist dot com where 1345 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,400 Speaker 1: we post our episodes and our footnotes. So we link 1346 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,800 Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today's episode, 1347 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,080 Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might 1348 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,240 Speaker 1: enjoy Miles. What song do we think people might enjoy it? 1349 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:36,280 Speaker 2: I think just you know, we were talking, we're talking 1350 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,120 Speaker 2: about hip hop and Jack. You were trying to find 1351 01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,479 Speaker 2: that earworm, trying to figure out what that. 1352 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,840 Speaker 1: Track was two thousand. 1353 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,560 Speaker 2: Help of Zeigang, we realized it was Graandpool Bos nineteen 1354 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,280 Speaker 2: ninety five hit two thousand in the title. 1355 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 4: The album with the same title two thousand. The album's 1356 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:54,960 Speaker 4: called two thousand, isn't it? 1357 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:55,360 Speaker 3: Yep? 1358 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,840 Speaker 2: So let's go out on that so people can actually 1359 01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 2: understand where Jack was coming from. This is Grandpool Uba 1360 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,160 Speaker 2: with two thousand. 1361 01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,560 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, well, we'll link off to that in 1362 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,320 Speaker 1: the footnotes. The Daily is a production of iHeartRadio. For 1363 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,960 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio ap Apple 1364 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,440 Speaker 1: podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That's 1365 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,320 Speaker 1: going to do it for us this morning, back this 1366 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,760 Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will 1367 01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: talk to you all that. 1368 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,320 Speaker 4: Bye bye, yosis