WEBVTT - Underbelly w/ Charlotte Ray Rosenberg

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.

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<v Speaker 3>These are our stories.

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<v Speaker 4>Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, a

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<v Speaker 4>SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. We talk SVU

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<v Speaker 2>True crime. We have guests. I would say we're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like James Lipton towards the end of the pod,

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<v Speaker 2>really doing a deep dive.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get to heaven. What would you like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear God say? Wait, you know what we should talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it finally happened. Law and Order SVU finally hired

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<v Speaker 1>a female showrunner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, we posted this on our Instagra.

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<v Speaker 1>I know at this point it's like a couple weeks

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<v Speaker 1>later that we haven't talked about it on the actual pod.

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<v Speaker 1>We posted on our Instagram like the day after we

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<v Speaker 1>found out. But it's exciting because not only is she

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<v Speaker 1>like a random female showrunner, she just was on like

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<v Speaker 1>the early seasons, Like she worked on seasons three, four, five, six, seven,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's running.

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<v Speaker 2>Get to the old air.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, she's from the Golden Age baby, and I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of love that, and you know, people love she's queer.

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<v Speaker 3>People are loving that. I just think it's like it's time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we've had please, yes, so many men running

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and they've you know, they've given us some

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<v Speaker 1>glorious stuff. But let's get Let's get a lady at

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<v Speaker 1>the helm and no more most powerful lifeguards anymore. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get some Let's go back to like the days

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<v Speaker 1>of just random shit happening to just New Yorkers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a Housewives episode, for the love of god. Why

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<v Speaker 2>won't they do it? Maybe it's because it's an NBC

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<v Speaker 2>universal thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Like what I mean, what would happen? Like one

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<v Speaker 1>housewife kills another one?

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it would be kind of I bet it would

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<v Speaker 2>be like an Erica and Tom and then she'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been being abused. I didn't do any of it

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<v Speaker 2>and I was forced to do it. Would be maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the twist I'm seeing. Yeah, or gentshaw Than is like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what if you let me, if you

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<v Speaker 2>let please plead me out, I'll let you know. The

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<v Speaker 2>guy in charge and he's like a trafficker or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>For being so demanding, I should have better ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Josh just just doing her thing, jun John just

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<v Speaker 1>doing elder abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they get her or there's like a twist

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<v Speaker 2>where they go to some like slums and they realize

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<v Speaker 2>the Chase own it, and that's how they get caught

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<v Speaker 2>with all of their stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They go to they go to Bougie Kids and they

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<v Speaker 1>find out that all the kids have been modeling, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they haven't signed any of the contracts and they're

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<v Speaker 1>being overworked.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did have you seen the trailer for the Next Generation?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the just the instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited. It looks fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like basically a reality show of young people

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<v Speaker 1>living in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but four of them are housewife like children. I

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<v Speaker 3>saw his mare and his son. Who else is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Gia Teresa's daughter okay, and then Riley Candy's daughter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Her name's Riley, right, Yeah, yeah, her name's Riley.

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<v Speaker 3>But Riley never speaks.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited to see how this Riley literally is

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<v Speaker 1>the most monotone person I've ever seen on television.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>And then ari Arianna Arianna Beerman. Yeah, so Kim Kim

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<v Speaker 1>Kim's Olia's daughter. Yeah, and she seems kind of funny.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I just really I have a tough

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<v Speaker 1>time with like young young people getting plastic surgery and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm trying to think of Like I saw the

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram and I didn't recognize all those faces, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? I only recognized Brooks like Ariana's

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<v Speaker 1>front and center in the photo, and I did not

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<v Speaker 1>recognize her.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, I also just see her as like a

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<v Speaker 2>child's with pigtails for cheerleading. You know. So I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>thought about her in a while, but I'm excited and

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<v Speaker 2>I will be watching. Yeah, but it is all the

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<v Speaker 2>mouse monotone kids, because brooksmarks is also monotone.

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<v Speaker 3>Gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I gotta watch the trailer. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>watched it. But it's silly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like young twenty rich Yeah, people living

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<v Speaker 2>in New York. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's gonna be some summer fun. Nuts for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so fast. Oh wait did you see You

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<v Speaker 3>probably did?

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<v Speaker 1>But like, uh, I see was in some Adidas commercial

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<v Speaker 1>where the first thing he says is that's messed up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I saw, well we posted about it on the

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, so I saw that, but uh, wait, what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean within a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm I wonder if he's like, hey, I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>an ad you gotta put this in.

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<v Speaker 1>It had just been like a few years since he'd

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<v Speaker 1>even said it on the show, Like I know, more

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<v Speaker 1>than a few. I think it's been a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>They like purposely stopped. I mean, sure, are they communicating

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<v Speaker 1>with us? Yeah, I don't know what you want for

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<v Speaker 1>he subconsciously telling he's uh yeah, he's telepathically telling us

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to be on the pod.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so I did do the Petting Zoos stand up show?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, tell us? How was that? It was amazing?

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<v Speaker 2>So I got there and I no one had picked chinchilla.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I walked in into this one comic had two snakes

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<v Speaker 2>on her body, so that was tough for me to

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<v Speaker 2>be around. But I got to meet a beard a

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<v Speaker 2>dragon and hold him and his her I apologize. Her

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<v Speaker 2>name was Sydney, and then I got to have like

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<v Speaker 2>a parrot on me and his name was Signior and

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<v Speaker 2>that was exciting. But then for the show there was

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<v Speaker 2>also like a weird creepy lizard, the snakes, a tortoise,

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<v Speaker 2>and a dove. But I did go with the chinchillas

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<v Speaker 2>so soft, right, softer than you could ever imagine. But

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is so the grifter fashion stylists that fucked

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<v Speaker 2>me over before my special. He had a chinchilla and

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<v Speaker 2>when Sydney came with me, she was like, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>dehydrated chinchilla. That's not a good life for a chinchilla.

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<v Speaker 2>This is fucked up because she had seen chinchillas. I

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<v Speaker 2>have never and now meeting these really well taken care

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<v Speaker 2>of chinchillas, I can attest that his chinchilla was not

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<v Speaker 2>well taking care of her, groomed or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>These So it was spot and snowball and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to like hold your arms like a shelf, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't sit still, so like they are running on my

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<v Speaker 2>body as I'm doing Why yeah, And I'm like try

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<v Speaker 2>and they're just adorable. And then one nibbled on me

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<v Speaker 2>a little, but it was like communicative to be like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm too hot. So then the other one came out,

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<v Speaker 2>so I got to like work with both of them,

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<v Speaker 2>which was fun. Oh my god, Oh my god, god's

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<v Speaker 2>really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>So cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have something to bring up actually, and then

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope I'm scared that who I'm about to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about listens, But I don't care. Did I already

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this this group dinner? Did I talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this group dinner? I went to a group Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>went to a group dinner. And it's one of those

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<v Speaker 2>places with like a lazy Susan in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the table. So all the food's on the table and

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<v Speaker 2>there's a communal dish of like I wouldn't have eaten it.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say, like a bushroom a long mushroom salad,

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<v Speaker 2>like stringy kind of mushroom noodles. So one of the

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<v Speaker 2>people at the dinner takes their chopsticks, it takes the

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<v Speaker 2>commutal bowl of the mushroom salad, stands over everything, starts

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<v Speaker 2>picking it up, puts it in their mouth, bites it

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<v Speaker 2>and let let's the bit didn't drop off and just

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<v Speaker 2>puts it And that was that.

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<v Speaker 3>What the fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 6>Did anybody say anything?

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<v Speaker 1>I was?

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<v Speaker 2>I was the last minute and these are not my people.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're not not not your circus, not your monkeys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fucking crazy. I'm just talking about it on that

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<v Speaker 1>that's so I've never seen anything like that's so crazy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Ill, that's really feld in a big

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<v Speaker 1>group dinner.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yuck, yuck, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't eat anything today, so this dinner talk is

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<v Speaker 1>making me hungry.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm prepping for a colonoscopy tomorrow, and wow, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be fun day for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to I'm not getting knocked out on drugs

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<v Speaker 2>as fun Tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>I get knocked out on the drugs today.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to literally drink a full gate, like four

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<v Speaker 1>gallons of a potion that's gonna make me die.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Really that pumped. But I also can't eat anything all day,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna feel light as a feather tomorrow. We're

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<v Speaker 1>in the time machine a little bit. This episode's coming

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<v Speaker 1>out before after right after the finale of drag Races,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you watch drag Race, you already know who wins.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm still shook but happy with how the last

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<v Speaker 1>elimination went. I was done. I was done with Susie too.

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<v Speaker 1>I needed her to I needed her to Charleston right

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<v Speaker 1>off the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>I was done.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought she was talented, she was good at some

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<v Speaker 1>of the first stuff, but like, would I go pay

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<v Speaker 1>money to go see a Susie two show?

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<v Speaker 2>Not really? No, And you know, she's young, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's like seeing her errors, like I think watching

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<v Speaker 2>it the interviews and stuff I've seen, and she seems

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<v Speaker 2>pretty like self aware of I just have, but I

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<v Speaker 2>just it really irks me. Sasha Valor did this too.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hate queens who think they are smarter and

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<v Speaker 2>better than other queens because they're pretentious. Yeah, none of

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<v Speaker 2>you are smarter and more cerebral than like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these fucking queens. So I don't like that attitude

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<v Speaker 2>of like, what's your biggest flow going? I'm too unique,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm too smart. I don't want to be too smart

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<v Speaker 2>for these peasants, Like you're not smarter than RuPaul, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter how you whatever affectation you want to speak with,

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<v Speaker 2>right and smart's.

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<v Speaker 1>Come in various different ways, Like there's different your references.

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<v Speaker 1>Just because you have references to things doesn't make you

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<v Speaker 1>the smartest person you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And it's also your willingness to like grow, change,

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<v Speaker 2>like take notes like she does it.

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<v Speaker 3>She could take a note to save her life. I know,

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<v Speaker 3>And but I was surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not seen on the show in a very

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and I'm trying to even struggle to think

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<v Speaker 1>of when there has been somebody who's been doing so

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<v Speaker 1>so so well, and then at right before the finale

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<v Speaker 1>they get cut, Like I haven't seen that in a while.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're right, you know, like someone who has that

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<v Speaker 3>many wins.

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<v Speaker 1>And is like but then it's like you self are

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<v Speaker 1>saying that you're dominating this competition, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, girl, Like well no, and you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>Bob and Bunett I feel or like whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube by watch it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like everyone keeps being like, oh my god, Susie's the

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<v Speaker 2>front runner, and it's like Anna nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Anya is the front runner.

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<v Speaker 2>I want viar, but it's like she's it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>our opinion. She's won four or five challenges, she's at

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<v Speaker 2>the top. She only lipsticked once, and like it was yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Naomi Small's had a really good opinion on that. On

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<v Speaker 2>your Race Chaser, she was like, you used to have

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<v Speaker 2>to make your twins outfit. Now people just bring something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the coats like, and they help bring it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it works.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like they focus too much on that because

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<v Speaker 2>even without the coat, like those dresses that aren't, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like such a detachment from everything else she's done, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like really like black culture vibes. So like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>while you're while the twin, But I guess you don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who you're gonna be making over.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I just I liked it that you

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<v Speaker 3>have you used to have to make.

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<v Speaker 2>Those and that she said yeah to better creativity instead

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<v Speaker 2>of like this will work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I also think Jewels Sparkles has kind of come from

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<v Speaker 1>behind yeap o fun.

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<v Speaker 2>She had an air of fun. She was good and competitive,

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<v Speaker 2>but didn't take it like seriously. It's it's been fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think I went back into my into

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. I was googling last night. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if a Latina has ever won Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>so Jewels could be up there too.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think Sam will win.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sam did also have outerwear and did lose the

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<v Speaker 2>lip sync for me, so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I yeah, that was crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm happy to see Susie go Sam is more entertaining

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<v Speaker 2>to watch for me. Yeah, but if we're talking like

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<v Speaker 2>Susie had a better runway had a better lipsync, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do kind of feel like it's between I do like

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<v Speaker 1>Lexi a lot, but I sort of feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>between uh Anya and Jewels.

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<v Speaker 2>For the family loses, it's her fault, like it's oddious

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<v Speaker 2>to lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. But

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<v Speaker 2>she's already one. Hopefully she goes for being a cook,

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<v Speaker 2>so being you know, a performer, full time performer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've got to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to watch just on TV because apparently

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Sota, Florida does not have a gay scene. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>telling me I got to drive to Tampa or Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Beach and I simply don't have time to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will be watching, and I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, good TV, Good TV. You know, I'm soaking it

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<v Speaker 2>all in until the drought of the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, should we get started? I think so let's

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we are doing the episode Underbelly from season eight.

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<v Speaker 1>It's episode seven. This baby came out in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six. This is an episode that I've seen, like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of the ones I think of is

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the most times, Like I've seen it so

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<v Speaker 1>many times, and this like the girl in it, like everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, yeah, Like I don't know. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just I wouldn't say it's like a favorite or anything

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<v Speaker 1>because it's obviously very dark, but I've just seen it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, so I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>And not to give it much away, it's the tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the tattoo is definitely the calling card of this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't seen it in forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Are these storylines make me sad? I know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's awful, but you know, but I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Love the time too, of just a night A nice

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<v Speaker 2>one word episode title.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Underbelly the underbelly of the Beasts. So this episode

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<v Speaker 1>starts it's nighttime where probably like on the west Side

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<v Speaker 1>Highway area where boats are, but we could be on

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<v Speaker 1>these river too. I guess a bunch of drunk teens

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<v Speaker 1>are getting off a boat. It's probably like their prom

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<v Speaker 1>or something or homecoming, I don't know. They are wearing

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<v Speaker 1>suits or tuxedos. And one guy's like that party sucked,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other guy's like the party ruled. And the

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<v Speaker 1>pessimist is like pissed that he didn't get laid, and

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<v Speaker 1>the optimist is like, Becky Morgan's parents are an aspens,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's still time. And then the other guy's like

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<v Speaker 1>sick because all he cares about is getting laid. So

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<v Speaker 1>then he goes to piss off the dock and into

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<v Speaker 1>the river when uh, oh, there is a floating dead

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<v Speaker 1>body there. So not exactly gonna get you excited to

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<v Speaker 1>hook up later that night that you found a dead

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<v Speaker 1>body after your school dance. So we cut to the

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<v Speaker 1>body out of the water now with a sarcastic comment

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<v Speaker 1>from Stabler overlaid, where he's like, oh, did they really

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<v Speaker 1>did a number on this girl?

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<v Speaker 3>And this girl is fourteen years old?

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<v Speaker 1>Tops Melinda says cause of death is the old BFT

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<v Speaker 1>blunt force trauma.

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<v Speaker 3>Beck is with Stabler. I forgot it's a beckup.

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<v Speaker 2>I it just like it sucks because do I love

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<v Speaker 2>Connie Nielsen Shore the moment I see this bitch, I'm pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Matt, Yeah, And this is the episod.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like an episode of Complicated Feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>Does a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>I just like I the hate I have for Beck

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<v Speaker 2>is insane. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's probably why I don't watch this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I that's true. I mean, I it's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of this as like an old school episode

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<v Speaker 1>I guess season eight, but like, yeah, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>Beck but.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>And she asks like, oh, did the girl fall off

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<v Speaker 1>the boat? But Melinda's like, well, she's been in the

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<v Speaker 1>river at least two weeks. The cold water has kept

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<v Speaker 1>her like very preserved, like she has not decomposed a

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<v Speaker 1>lot depending on the current. We just did an episode

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<v Speaker 1>about currents and bodies being found in water. But depending

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<v Speaker 1>on the current, she could have really been dumped anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the Five boroughs because if she's been floating around

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<v Speaker 1>for two weeks, like you know, it's sort of wild

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody would have seen her. There's a lot of boats,

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<v Speaker 1>there's people. I mean, I don't know, it's it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>But Melinda comments, another one raped, beaten and thrown away

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<v Speaker 1>like garbage. And they're like, wait, Melinda, are you doing

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<v Speaker 1>our job for us? Like is this a pattern? And

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, yeah, check out this tattoo on her lower back.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a dog paprint. It's very blues clues.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's the third rape homicide victim with that tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>in six months. The other two they're like, why have

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<v Speaker 1>we heard about this? And it's because the other two

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<v Speaker 1>were not in Manhattan. Sandra Garner sixteen, a runaway from Wichitah,

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<v Speaker 1>was jumped dumped in a junkyard in the South Bronx.

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<v Speaker 1>And then another victim is still unidentified. Her body was

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<v Speaker 1>found in the weeds by Newtown Creek, which I had

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<v Speaker 1>to google and it like runs along the Brooklyn Queen's border.

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<v Speaker 1>And the autopsies for those victims showed a ton of brutality,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple skull fractures, but no weapon in print. So whoever

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<v Speaker 1>did this did it with their fists. Melinda says that

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo is a death sentence, and then close up on

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler looking affected, close up on Beck looking affected and credits. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>these two are concerned. Back at the precinct, Ben tells

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<v Speaker 1>them that the tattoo is not gang inc I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I duh, I don't think any gang is Like get

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<v Speaker 1>a puppy pap print, you know, and no one with

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<v Speaker 1>that tattoo has been arrested. Munch thinks Munch with like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the dumbest Munch take of all time goes. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be something totally vanilla, like they like Snoopy or

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<v Speaker 1>they want to go to Yale, Like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they're a detective. Yeah, you think that many fourteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old girls are, like it's Yale for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Put it on a tramp stamp, like so crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he just wants to show up that he

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<v Speaker 1>like knows that Yale are bulldogs and he knows like

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<v Speaker 1>their fight song. Anyway, Finn suggests maybe a tattoo artist

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<v Speaker 1>could recognize the style. Shockingly, Beck has a tattoo hookup.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, we should talk to Miguel Alvarez. He does

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<v Speaker 1>great work. Then Beck and Stabler have this flirty moment

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<v Speaker 1>where he's like begging to see her tattoo and she

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<v Speaker 1>won't show it, and he's like, I'll show you mine,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like, it's like, yeah, stabler, everyone and their

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<v Speaker 1>mom has seen like your Jesus on the Cross tats,

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<v Speaker 1>Like your tats are out there, and Beck's like, it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be a fair trade.

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<v Speaker 3>So maybe it's in a sexy place.

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<v Speaker 1>But now we're talking to Miguel and we're at his

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<v Speaker 1>studio and he's like, this is my work, referencing.

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<v Speaker 3>This woman who's getting a full back.

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<v Speaker 1>Piece of a tiger on her back, and he's like insulted.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, you know, if you show me the Mona Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you it's Da Vinci.

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<v Speaker 3>But like you're asking if you drew a stick figure.

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<v Speaker 2>This story line, this little side quest is the craziest

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<v Speaker 2>thing ever. It's one of the worst tattoos ever, the

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<v Speaker 2>most simple. And they are going that tiger that they

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<v Speaker 2>walk in on that's like a multi day it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, ah, this was so silly to me.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a Philly is When they go, I have

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<v Speaker 2>a friend at this exact department that owes me a favor,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just write it bothers me.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like this guy's like insulted. He's like, anyone

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<v Speaker 1>could do this, dippy little pot print, Like what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck are you talking about? And then he's like They're

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<v Speaker 1>like they see a sign or something that says like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, must provide ID, and they're like, oh, do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever tattoo anyone underage? And he's like again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking artist, like I don't do that. I get ID,

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<v Speaker 1>I keep it on file. But he of course does

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<v Speaker 1>know of this one guy in Brooklyn. He knows his

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<v Speaker 1>name exactly. It's Lenny Culp. He's an ex con who

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<v Speaker 1>learned how to tattoo in prison and he can't get

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<v Speaker 1>a license because of his record. So they go pay

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<v Speaker 1>Lenny a visit and he's tattooing a very young looking

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<v Speaker 1>kid and Lenny shows that this is like.

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<v Speaker 3>A Bart Simpson moment. This is from early Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe they did this, And I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>there was a Simpsons.

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<v Speaker 1>Why does Bart get a tattoo and he has he

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<v Speaker 1>fakes a note.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not about the note, it's like the heart

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<v Speaker 2>and it's Emma like mo, well he has moth and

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<v Speaker 2>mother isn't finished.

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<v Speaker 3>When Marge grabs him. It's it ends up being a

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<v Speaker 3>heart that says.

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<v Speaker 2>Moth, and they have to spend like their savings getting

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<v Speaker 2>it removed. But this it was supposed to be mom,

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<v Speaker 2>and they made him go home at moh gotcha?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that like straight out of Assassins.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I one time added my name to

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<v Speaker 1>a friend's mom's note to get a second ear piercing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've never actually forged the note, but I've put

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<v Speaker 1>my name in and pretended I was someone's sister. I

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<v Speaker 1>let that whole close up very quickly. It was all

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<v Speaker 1>for not But Lenny is like, yeah, here's the boy's note,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stabler's like, uh, Dicky did a better job forging

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<v Speaker 1>my signature when he was eight, so this is actually

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<v Speaker 1>pathetic that you would accept this. The kid is yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like in the middle of getting an old timey sailor

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo that says mom, they interrupt, like Lisa said, and

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<v Speaker 1>now he has to get lost with his mow tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>So they slap down a picture of the dead girls

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<v Speaker 1>and they tell Lenny keep in mind, you just tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>a minor, which is illegal and a parole violation, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Did all their tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just funny to me that this professional man in

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan knew exactly who in Brooklyn would do this, Like

0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>it's a I mean, I know, it's a TV show.

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.160
<v Speaker 1>We got to get from A to B, but it's

0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 1>like wild. He's like, all right, I did them, but

0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:19.479
<v Speaker 1>they told me they were eighteen. They told me they

0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:22.199
<v Speaker 1>were over eighteen. They said they were college cheerleaders. And

0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.080
<v Speaker 1>then he has a picture of them that I guess

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.080
<v Speaker 1>what they sent him after they got the tattoos, or

0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:28.960
<v Speaker 1>he took it, I don't know, but it's a picture

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of the three girls like kind of up against a fence.

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 1>They're turned around showing their tattoos, which are all in

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.679
<v Speaker 1>the lower back tramp stamp area, and the girl that

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 1>they just pulled out of the river is in the

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.159
<v Speaker 1>photo and she's wearing a shirt that says Saint Ambrose.

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 1>So obviously Stabler probably knows exactly where that is because

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a Catholic school. And they zoom straight to figuring

0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.720
<v Speaker 1>out who this girl is, and her name is Chantal,

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:55.919
<v Speaker 1>and they're watching a whole movie of Chantal cheering, and

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 1>her foster mom is watching the video showing it to them,

0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:02.439
<v Speaker 1>crying to about how much Chantal loves Saint Ambrose, and

0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Stabler is shocked that this foster mom was paying Catholic

0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.199
<v Speaker 1>school tuition, but she's like, I wanted her to have

0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:11.919
<v Speaker 1>every advantage. That's a very wonderful foster parent because you know,

0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:13.720
<v Speaker 1>they get money, but I don't think of many of

0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:18.720
<v Speaker 1>them as providing private school educations. But right before tryouts,

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:20.199
<v Speaker 1>they were like, oh, did she make the team? And

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, right before tryouts, Acs sent her back

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.679
<v Speaker 1>to quote what she says that no good mother of hers,

0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:30.399
<v Speaker 1>and she explains that Chantal's birth mom was a crack

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.679
<v Speaker 1>addict she had when Chantal was a baby, she was

0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:38.120
<v Speaker 1>taken away. She came to this woman in foster care

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.960
<v Speaker 1>at age eight, and this woman wanted to adopt her,

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.720
<v Speaker 1>so she from eight to fourteen, she's with this woman.

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I would have assumed she could have adopted her quicker

0:23:46.280 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 1>than that, but she Acs said, then at oh, her

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.520
<v Speaker 1>mom cleaned up and wanted her back, and the foster

0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.920
<v Speaker 1>mom thinks whatever, she just wants the welfare check or

0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like the check for you know, having more dependence.

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Like well, because on this podcast, we do take a

0:24:01.560 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 2>stance that reuniting is the top goal, but not when

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 2>you meet this bitch, not when.

0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.600
<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say that exact same thing, Like.

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>This is one of the worst. This is one of

0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.560
<v Speaker 2>the Yeah, I mean I want to strangle this woman.

0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how the detectives did because the

0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 2>kids were probably there. I'm like, I don't know how

0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 2>they didn't try to fuck with her.

0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I'm a my work in cos sets like

0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:26.879
<v Speaker 1>we always are are working towards reunification. This woman would

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>not have passed a like a check, I don't think,

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>but maybe she was, you know, faking it to try

0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:35.120
<v Speaker 1>to get her back. And it's really sad this story,

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Like this poor foster mom is like I wanted to

0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:39.760
<v Speaker 1>fight with her, but my lawyer basically told me, like

0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:42.440
<v Speaker 1>I it was no use, like the bio parents have rights,

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.000
<v Speaker 1>like there was nothing I could do. So I think

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>that's like a heartbreaking part of being a foster parent.

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 1>But this woman seems like an exceptional foster parent and

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I hope she gets to adopt someone. So now they're

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:57.880
<v Speaker 1>walking and talking with Ronda, who is Sean Tal's biological mom.

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.639
<v Speaker 1>She is pushing a baby stroller and she's got another

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.159
<v Speaker 1>kid who's on a scooter. She is bad mouthing Chantal, who,

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>by the way, they just told her is dead and going.

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:07.720
<v Speaker 3>She was trouble.

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>I told her she told her school that my boyfriend

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>was touching on her and ACS wanted to kick wanted

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>me to kick him out, and I wasn't going to

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>kick him out, and like, it's so crazy, how bad

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>this woman is. The story gets interrupted by Stabler, who

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 1>heroically saves the song, and as he's about to scoot

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>into traffic, the mom doesn't even flinch, like they specifically

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>go to her reaction and she's like, what's up, Like

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.479
<v Speaker 1>did something happen? And then she tells them, yeah, they

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>wanted me to kick my boyfriend out, and I was like,

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 1>no way, So I told ACS to just take Chantal

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>again instead of kicking her boyfriend out, and which is crazy,

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>and I do. I would say though, that like Akasa

0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 1>or some kind of social worker would look into putting

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.280
<v Speaker 1>her back with her original foster mom who loved her

0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>so much. If this is what's happening, if she's sending

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.000
<v Speaker 1>her back to ACS, it's like, okay, go back to

0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 1>this good home that you have. But Unfortunately, Chantal goes

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>to a group home and then she asks if that

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.159
<v Speaker 1>place help her get killed, you think I got a

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 1>lawsuit on my hands. And Beck is disgusted with this

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>woman and she's like, that's what you want. All you

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.280
<v Speaker 1>care about is making a dime off your dead daughter,

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>and Ronda goes, bitch, get out of my face, and

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:21.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a lot. Stabler's like, everybody needs to chill out,

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and then he asks the name of the home she tells.

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Ronda tells them that it's Broder House on Fountain Avenue,

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler and Beck walk away and he's like, look,

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:31.439
<v Speaker 1>I know you want a smack her, but it's not

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 1>worth it. And that's like I just can't believe they're

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>just walking away, Like I just can't believe, like this,

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>nothing's going to happen to this woman.

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 3>But you know, what are you gonna do? You can't

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 3>win them all.

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>At the group home, there is a man telling them

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>that Chantel vayner a wald a few weeks after she

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:52.200
<v Speaker 1>got there, which is you know, a military term absent

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.040
<v Speaker 1>without leaving. But it's like anytime kids leave their group homes,

0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a walling. They can be gone for four hours.

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>They can be gone for five weeks, you know, and

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time that like I've talked about this before,

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.399
<v Speaker 1>but a lot of times that's what adds to like

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the nickmic when they have like the like the number

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>of kids who are quote unquote missing or exploited. A

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of times it's just kids that one went a wall.

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like a kid is like I don't want to

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>go to school, I'm gonna go to the park for

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>a few hours. They get reported missing, and that goes

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.000
<v Speaker 1>into statistics of missing children, even though many times they

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 1>come home or you know, so it's just like you know,

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>an interesting Definitely, there are still tons of kids that

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>are missing all the time, but a lot of times

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>those numbers are inflated from just kids in the system

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>who are not where they're supposed to be at one

0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 1>given time. And so beck is pissed at this group

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>home leader guy and she's like, you didn't even go

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 1>look for her, And he's like, we don't have the

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>manpower to do that, which they don't. I have worked

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:50.120
<v Speaker 1>with several group group homes, like they have such small staffs,

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like they cannot go find anyone who goes who leaves.

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>He explains, hundreds of these girls take off. We file

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>the missing persons report, and we sent a registered letter

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>to the family, and Stabler goes, well, the mom never

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>got it, and he's like, well, she probably threw it

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>away with her unpaid bills. And he's probably not wrong.

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>This woman is not checking the mail. I don't think

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>beck is giving this guy more shit going. This girl

0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 1>needed your help and now she's dead. And he's like, well,

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>most of them run away to be with a boyfriend, Like,

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>why don't you ask some of the other girls that

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>are here. So now we're popping around to a bunch

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of different convos with these girls. One girl is telling

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Stabler like, you know, guys hang around the group home

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and then we kick it outside. And then Stabler goes,

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>chantale ever kick it with anyone? And casey, if we can,

0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I would love to include that is a quote because

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the way he says it is so funny.

0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 6>You know how it is?

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Why don't you tell me how it is?

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Boys come by, we kick it outside, Chantelle ever kick

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it with anyone? You know, he's trying to be a

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>hip Stabler and I always enjoy that her and this

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 1>other girl are telling them about Victor. He's this guy

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 1>with a tricked out suv. He'd buy Chantelle chips and soda.

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Another girl is continuing the story. He's like, oh, yeah,

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>he wanted her to run off with him. He said

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>he'd buy her anything she wanted, clothes, jewelry, but she

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>told Chantale to trust him because they're all the same.

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>And Beck goes boys and the girl goes pimps, like hello,

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>open your eyes, like this is not like a boy

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>with a full suv in New York City who's offering

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>to buy you jewelry clothes, And she goes Chantale ran

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>off to be his hoe, So we're not this is

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 1>not looking like a great situation. Back at the precinct

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>late at night and Beck is just there watching the

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Chantal cheerleading video over it much.

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's not a Snoopy support group.

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like, but they're definitely trying to always get

0:29:39.760 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>it on our heads that like this job is too

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>much for Beck, like she can't. She takes every case

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>so fucking personally, and this is her second to last episode.

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 1>But Beck's like, I just can't sleep right now, knowing

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>that some like child sex workers get about to get

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>beaten to death by a psycho John and Stablers are like, well,

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 1>like this will help you sleep.

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.080
<v Speaker 3>Do you know how many Sean tall's there are?

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And like she's like we should just get out there,

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 1>we should go, like go figure it out. And Stable's like,

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>where where should we go? Did you check with Vice

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 1>about where the baby hooker stroll? He asks her, and

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>he's like, well, I did the legwork, so I know

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>where they are. And the main area for like the

0:30:15.080 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 1>younger sex workers is East New York, which is a

0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood in Brooklyn. It's kind of out by JFK, like

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>where you rent a car Howard Beach. And he says,

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I talked to Vice and we set up a sting

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>for tomorrow night. So he's done everything that you know,

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>because he's been in this unit for so long and whatever.

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>And then he tells Danny like you can't get over

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.719
<v Speaker 1>involved in these cases, like every single one of them

0:30:35.720 --> 0:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>will break your heart. And then she's like, can we

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:40.440
<v Speaker 1>please go tonight and Stabler's like, of course, you're hot,

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm um horny for you. So they go and

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:46.280
<v Speaker 1>now they're sitting in a dark van watching like young

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>teen girls try to like get dates with John's and

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Stabler of course makes a comment, They're like my daughter's age,

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, everything has to go back to his daughters.

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:56.240
<v Speaker 3>And Beck is like itching.

0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>To get out of the car and question these girls,

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 1>but Stabler is like hold tight, like you gotta find

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the killer. But she's like a dumb bitch who always

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>jumps the gun. So she starts to get out, and

0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>Stabler alerts with other units, and I guess the whole

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>sting is just he moved it up to.

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Tonight because that's what Beck wanted.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe they were just going off to do

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>their own thing, but no, it's a whole group of

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>people vices.

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:14.120
<v Speaker 2>There.

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 1>A bunch of cop callers roll up on these girls,

0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>their sirens blazing. They make all the girls stand up

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>against the wall. They flash them pictures of the tattoo

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>girls from the photos, and none of them are saying

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>anything like none of them Nope, sorry, don't know her,

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 1>don't know her. And then Beck makes them all turn

0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>around and starts lifting up all their shirts and checking

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>for their lower blues clues tattoos, and they find one

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>on this young girl and she steps out of line

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, what's your name, and she's like passion,

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>which I think is like such a is so funny,

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and then that tells her, yeah, like come on, Beck

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 1>tells her, why don't you cut the shit and she's like, okay,

0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>my name's Belinda Holt and she says she doesn't know

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.360
<v Speaker 1>the girls in the picture and Stabler's like, oh really,

0:32:01.400 --> 0:32:03.479
<v Speaker 1>because they have that same tattoo you have and now

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>they're all dead and she's like, no, they're not dead.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 3>They got they got adopted.

0:32:08.000 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>So now we've got Belinda in I don't even know

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 1>if we're in wood room blinds because there are no

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>lights on, like it is simply the lights are turned off.

0:32:14.960 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>It's the darkest room of all time.

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>There's like a flashlight on this girl practically, and she's

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>arguing with them about the girls being dead, and they're like,

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 1>the girls are dead and she's like, you cops are

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>so dumb and you're lying to me. And Beck's like, okay, cool, fine,

0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>you want to see the autopsy photos. So you know,

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>she's done being sensitive to this girl at all, even

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 1>though ten minutes ago she was like I can't sleep

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>knowing these baby sex workers, and now she's like, you

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 1>want to see your dead friends and she slaps the

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>photos on the ground on the table. She won't even

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>look at them. Belinda's like, I only want to talk

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to Victor. He's my boyfriend. I want to talk to Victor.

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, oh, the guy who pimps you out,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, he doesn't make me do anything.

0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 3>I love him and.

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>We're getting married when I'm old enough. Yikes. It's sad.

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.680
<v Speaker 2>But she, you know, she's in another episode. I'm mis understanding.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>She comes back. She's just like, I don't know, I

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>love Belinda. Wait when she comes back, it's she's Belinda again. No, no,

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 2>just like this girl's face. But no, her name is

0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Abby Stewart. In the next one, Oh okay, okay, okay.

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like, but she takes to stand. It's like

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:22.880
<v Speaker 2>another big episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So she looks

0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>at the photo finally and names all the girls. She's like,

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 2>this is Amber. Her name was Sandra but Victor changed it.

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And then she's like this is Chantal and then Monique,

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, we're sisters. So we finally have Monique identified.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 2>We knew about Sandra, but now we know that her

0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>name on the street was Amber, and she's like, they

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>all got adopted by this rich guy and it's just

0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>like my favorite movie, Pretty Woman.

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 3>She's like, I've watched the DVD so many times.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like, wow, I never really thought that Pretty Woman

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was going to be like the kind of movie that

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>influenced a younger generation to want what's in that movie?

0:33:58.280 --> 0:33:58.480
<v Speaker 5>You know?

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 3>But there we are, there we have it.

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it doesn't look great when George from Seinfeld

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is trying to attack her, but anyway, she goes, yeah,

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 1>this rich guy comes and he picks a girl and

0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>if he likes Sree takes her away to live with him.

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I dated him once, but he didn't pick me. And

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Stabler asks, oh, well does this guy hit you and

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 1>she goes, well, he spanked me, but like a lot

0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>of guys are into that. And then suddenly Beck that

0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>softens Beck up. She's like, I'm gonna give her my jacket.

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>So she gives Belinda her jacket and asks for more

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>details on the Richard Gear character, and she's like, you know,

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>he's old and white but still kind of cute. And

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Amber looked in his wall at once and said that

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.120
<v Speaker 1>his name is Blake and he drives a big black

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Mercedes Benz sub. When Chantal got adopted, Victor said she

0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was living on Fifth Avenue. So details, details, details, Finn

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 1>is doing the DMV deep dive. Okay, nineteen white guys

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.879
<v Speaker 1>named Blake as either their first or the last name

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 1>with Mercedes SUVs. Four of them are on Fifth Avenue,

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and one of them has a ha bit of beating

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>on women. We got Blake Peters, forty five years old

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>old man. As she described him, she's like ew nasty,

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>old white dying man, forty five and he is a

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>managing one.

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 2>That's like a I think that's like an interesting creative

0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 2>choice because it shows how fucking young she is. Yes, yes, absolutely,

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 2>but she thinks that's like an ancient old man.

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>And she she.

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Looks fifteen to me.

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's so young looking, this girl, like they

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>got the perfect actress for this.

0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:33.720
<v Speaker 3>She just has like a baby face.

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>So he's a managing partner at a white shoe law firm,

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy, Blake Peters, and he has a bunch of

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:40.960
<v Speaker 1>domestic violence complaints from his ex wife, but they were

0:35:40.960 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 1>all dismissed with anger management courses or whatever. And Finn

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Goes always knew those were a croc. It's like, thank you, finn.

0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anger management maybe the first time. If

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:55.400
<v Speaker 1>there's multiple, like domestic violence things, you have to go

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:56.359
<v Speaker 1>to jail for a little bit.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 2>It's also annoying because, and we've mentioned this before, it's

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:02.760
<v Speaker 2>like I wonder why they'll get violent at work?

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know friends.

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like weird that it's such a you know,

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 2>you need a it's anger management. Yet you know how

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>to manage it perfectly at your home, right, at your job.

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 2>You never punch a judge. You're a lawyer.

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>You never punch a judge in the face. Right, But

0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>a woman, no problem. Your wife got it. So they

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>pull up a bunch of articles on this guy. He

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>likes tennis, polo, water sports, Like, we get it. He's

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>rich and he's remarried from the wife that he used

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to beat and now his new wife looks barely legal,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.319
<v Speaker 1>they say. So they shot to the apartment and this

0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:41.839
<v Speaker 1>woman answers the door and she's like, did something happen

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>to Blake? And then they feed her some bullshit like oh,

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 1>we need to talk to him, and like it's about

0:36:46.800 --> 0:36:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a client. It's a major client, so we need you

0:36:48.600 --> 0:36:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to be discreet whatever, and she's like whatever, it's always something.

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>He's at the office like she seems like she is.

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>There's trouble in paradise there. She does not like this marriage,

0:36:57.120 --> 0:37:00.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. When they go to the law firm,

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>there's an associate there. He's like a young, cute black guy,

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, you got to be kidding me. The

0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>partners being here right now, they're all out of here

0:37:08.080 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>by happy hour. And then Finn tries to talk to

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 1>this guy like black man, a black man and calls

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 1>him brother, but he does not give a shit, and

0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.399
<v Speaker 1>he goes, if I don't get my job done, I'm

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>on the streets, sorry, brother, and Munch goes, guess the

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 1>only color he cares about is green. So I would

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>say nine times out of ten it works when Finn

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>is like just like relating to a guy like listen,

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm not here to jam you up on the weed.

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not here to jam you up about your gun charge,

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to know where the girl is,

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 3>So, but this time he struck out.

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>This white shoe associate not having it, does not want

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to bond with Finn his loss.

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah.

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Finn calls Stabler and is like, yo, we're struck striking

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:48.840
<v Speaker 1>out at his work, Like we don't know where this

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.600
<v Speaker 1>guy is. Beck looks up his credit card and is like,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>all right, well let's find out where he's been charging.

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 1>So now we're at the Wallace Inn where mister Peters

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>checked in two hours ago, and the guy working at

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the hotel is like, oh yeah with missus Peters, very

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty and very young, and the employee is really nervous

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>to let them into the room until Stabler's like, well,

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, I could shut this whole place down for prostitution,

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:11.760
<v Speaker 1>so whatever you want to do. And the guy's like okay,

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.319
<v Speaker 1>here's like literally the keys to the entire place. And

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy tells Peters knock knock, knock, like you have

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>to come out, sir, there's a problem with your card.

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 1>And then the guy opens the door and he's like

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>just gonna throw money at the cash at the guy.

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Stabler grabs him, and then as Beck mirandizes him, she

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>looks at the young girl who's in the room on

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:33.000
<v Speaker 1>the bed like frantically buttoning her shirt and like getting

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 1>getting dressed. Okay, And so now we're walking into the

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.359
<v Speaker 1>precinct with this girl, and she's telling Beck, like, am

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 1>your exner?

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Right? Yes?

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 1>She is an the episode, she's Candy, but she's played

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 1>by Constance Wu and this is one of her first gigs.

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's twenty, it's two thousand and six. She

0:38:54.280 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 1>this is like literally at the bottom of her IMDb

0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>so's I don't.

0:38:58.800 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Know, it's just because I know when I think about

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 2>guest stars, her face doesn't come to my brain.

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't really think of her as like an SVU moment,

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.160
<v Speaker 2>but a fun one.

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, a fun stuff role. Yeah.

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 1>And I can't really tell it's a confusing role because

0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.839
<v Speaker 1>she's saying, I'm nineteen. I swear I go to Manhattan Tech.

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I work at a restaurant and that's where I met Blake.

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 1>She's like, I saw he had a wedding ring on,

0:39:25.239 --> 0:39:27.840
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to party. It's no big deal. And

0:39:27.880 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Beck's like it was to the girls he killed. So

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the last time we see Candy. I don't know

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 1>if she's actually nineteen because she shows an ID and

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:37.479
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of ballsy to show the cops of fake ID,

0:39:37.600 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 1>but like, she shows an ID and like, I think

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the bottom line is she is nineteen, but she is

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:43.479
<v Speaker 1>doing sex work, and.

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>So she also is like in school and has another

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 2>day job, like it seems like she's doing it all.

0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, she's really she's really trying to get through

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Manhattan Tech, you know. But now we cut to Blake

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>telling Stabler I didn't kill anyone, and they're like, oh,

0:39:58.000 --> 0:39:59.959
<v Speaker 1>what's up with your knuckles, like because they had said,

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:03.160
<v Speaker 1>like Melinda had said earlier, like look for this guy

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 1>to have like really fucked up knuckles because he's beating

0:40:05.880 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 1>these girls to death, like with his fists. So the

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 1>guy goes, well, no, I do a lot of work

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>on my car. I've got a seventy two Ferrari Daytona spider,

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and nobody touches my baby but me, I mean, I

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 1>hate this man.

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 3>But Stabler starts laying into.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Him on like like oh, yeah, you just pick up

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 1>underage sex workers and then you beat the shit out

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>of them or whatever. And he's like, no, I don't

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 1>hurt these girls and they love it, and Stabler's like, yeah,

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you're paying them, dumb ass. They're gonna say that they

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>love whatever you want them to say. And then Stabler

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 1>shows Peter's the autopsy pictures and he's painting the pictures

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Stabler style, like this is what you do. You use

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>them and then you beat them and throw them away.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>And then the guy starts gagging and throws up in

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the trash. And this is like a classic perp throwing

0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>up scene that I always remember for some reason, Like

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he sees the photos of the girls and he's like,

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 1>oh god, and he starts throwing up. He's like, I

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>didn't all those girls. I swear I wanted to help

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.120
<v Speaker 1>get them off the street. I told Amber I wanted

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to help her, but Victor threatened to beat my ass

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.799
<v Speaker 1>if I ever snatch one of his girls again. So now, basically,

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>if you want to fool Benson and Stabler or anybody

0:41:13.600 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 1>in this precinc you have to throw up when they

0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:17.719
<v Speaker 1>accuse you of something, Like if you throw up, they're

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.000
<v Speaker 1>always like, I don't know, I don't think this.

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Guy did any puked.

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, they never think like if you piss your

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:24.760
<v Speaker 1>pants or you puke, they think you're innocent.

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:26.399
<v Speaker 3>So who should walk in?

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>While Stabler is talking to Peters, but Benson comes strolling

0:41:31.480 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 1>into the precinct. She looks beautiful scub bangs and she

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>finds Danny Beck sitting at her desk right across from Stabler,

0:41:38.560 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, I'm looking for Detective Stabler. And Beck's like,

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 1>he's an interrogation. Maybe I can help you. I'm his partner,

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Danny Beck. It's it's interesting to be that Beck wouldn't

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 1>know like what live looks like, like there's no pictures.

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Of her anywhere.

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:56.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't know anyway. Benson is not even interested to Google. Yeah, yeah,

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.560
<v Speaker 1>you didn't google, or you didn't look up one article,

0:41:58.640 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 1>because like we're people.

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 3>They go in two.

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Thousand and eight, when did Google? Really?

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:03.720
<v Speaker 3>When did the verb question?

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:06.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what? And embarrassed for me?

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Where we ask jeeves ing? Where we ask Jeevesing? In

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, still like what were we doing?

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 3>We were binging? Also people were trying to.

0:42:17.480 --> 0:42:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:22.320
<v Speaker 1>So Benson looks a little bit shook when she hears

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the words i'm his partner, and she goes, I'm just

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna go talk to Daddy Craigan, and you could see

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Beck is still not kind of like, wait, how does

0:42:30.840 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>this woman know everybody at the precinct? Like she's not

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 1>really inquisitive here, and she is a detective.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 2>So it's weird.

0:42:36.000 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>So just to place you in time, this is the

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>episode right after Benson's stint undercover as persephone James, the

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 1>episode Infiltrated, which we've covered, where she goes undercover with

0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:49.439
<v Speaker 1>an Eco terrorism unit and she walks into Craigan's office

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, whoa live, You're back, Like nobody told me.

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't have a spot for you. And Benson's like, yeah, yeah,

0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I just met the new gal. How's that going? And

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Craigan's like kind of rough at first, but all good now,

0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.040
<v Speaker 1>and then he's like, but I can get her out

0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:03.759
<v Speaker 1>of here, It's just going.

0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 3>To take some time.

0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, Benson's like staring Daggers through the window, watching

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 1>Elliott put his hand on Beck's shoulder and the two

0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 1>of them being very flirty. Like the body language between

0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:17.040
<v Speaker 1>them is very different than his body language would live.

0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 3>He never came up to Libya while she was at her.

0:43:18.640 --> 0:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Desk looking at a file and like put his hands

0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>on her shoulders. You know, Like, well, he's on a

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:26.280
<v Speaker 1>break with his wife at the moment too. That's true,

0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that's true as well. Yes, yes, let's be clear about

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>not like cheating, right, but he's even when he's on

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a break with his wife in later episodes with Benson,

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:40.399
<v Speaker 1>he's not that the flirty. The flirtiness is different than

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>what he has with Beck, you know. And Benson tells Craigan, no, actually,

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>don't like, don't shift her out of here, like I'm

0:43:47.440 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 1>actually not ready to come back, and that's what I

0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 1>came to tell you. And he's like, oh, okay, and

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I'm just going to go now. And he's like, oh,

0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:58.080
<v Speaker 1>we're going to leave without seeing Elliott and she's like,

0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.919
<v Speaker 1>he's busy, I'll catch up with him later. And also

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>don't tell him I was here. It's like, look at

0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 1>all these little games, like what are we doing? And

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.479
<v Speaker 1>this is like obviously the fever pitch of when people

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 1>are thinking that these two are going to get together.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 1>And probably one of the reasons why people hate Beck

0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.720
<v Speaker 1>so much is like whether you wanted those two together

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 1>or not. I don't think any of us want Beck

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler together. But now Stabler's talking to Beck about

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the case, okay, and you know, he's like, I think

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>we should change our focus. I think we need to

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>move on to Victor. Like the guy in there is

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>not a killer. He puked when he saw the pictures,

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and Beck's like, well, that could be fear, Like, you know,

0:44:31.840 --> 0:44:34.959
<v Speaker 1>he's looking at a life in Attica or whatever. And

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Beck's also kind of like, why would this pimp Victor

0:44:37.520 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>kill his moneymakers?

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:40.840
<v Speaker 3>And Stabler's like, I don't know.

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they wanted to leave with Blake Peters and Victor

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 1>couldn't let that happen. If you lose control of your stable,

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you're out of business. And Stabler like the way he's

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>talking to her, he's like soft talking to her. He's

0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:55.839
<v Speaker 1>not talking in a regular voice. He's like, yeah, I mean,

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:57.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it could be it could be this.

0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Like he's just really like talking to her in such

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>a quiet like, hey, I can actually be really gentle

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 1>in bed if you want that, you know. And so

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's obviously he has kind of like a crush on her,

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 1>and he's like trust me on this, you know. And

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>she's like, okay, boo boo, I'll talk to Belinda and

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.359
<v Speaker 1>find out where this guy lives. And Stabler's like, why

0:45:14.400 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>don't you let me go with you? And she's like no, like,

0:45:18.000 --> 0:45:20.359
<v Speaker 1>let me do it alone. Like trust goes both ways,

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like you have to trust me, you know, like, if

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>you want me to trust you on this angle, then

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>let trust me to talk to this girl by myself.

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>So now Belinda is telling Dan, but I can understand

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>why Sabler kind of wants to go with Beck because

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.440
<v Speaker 1>beck is so gets so involved in the case that.

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 3>I feel like, she goes, what are you stupid? Why

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:36.360
<v Speaker 3>are you working for this pimp?

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.799
<v Speaker 1>Like she doesn't like always take it from like the

0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:44.160
<v Speaker 1>same soft Olivia way. So anyway, Belinda's telling Danny how

0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Victor doesn't like the girls to ever talk about his business.

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:49.480
<v Speaker 1>He gets mad and hits them sometimes if they don't

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>work hard enough. One time, she says, Monique got this

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>big tip and wanted to keep some of the money

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 1>for a new dress, but Victor found out that he

0:45:58.280 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>was holding she was holding out on him and be

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>up so bad that she couldn't work for a week.

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.239
<v Speaker 1>And then there's like a beat, and Belinda's like, I

0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 1>miss her so like she misses her friend, you know.

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:07.879
<v Speaker 3>And she asked if she can.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Keep the photo of the girls that they've been using,

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, of them with their tattoos, because she doesn't

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 1>have any pictures of them. She's like, I always ask

0:46:14.719 --> 0:46:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Victor if I could go see the girls after they

0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:19.320
<v Speaker 1>got adopted, but he told me that they were uptown

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>girls now and they didn't want to see her, and

0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:22.719
<v Speaker 1>that I would embarrass them in front of their new

0:46:22.800 --> 0:46:26.479
<v Speaker 1>rich friends. And Beck's like, now you know it's a lie,

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 1>and Belinda goes like she finally gets that they're dead

0:46:29.400 --> 0:46:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and that he basically made up a like they went

0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 1>to a farm, basically story for them that you tell

0:46:35.120 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 1>a child when a dog dies. So a stabler is

0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 1>looking through We see then that stabler is looking through

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.600
<v Speaker 1>the window, watching the conversation go on between the two

0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.520
<v Speaker 1>of them. So then Beck comes out of the room

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and she is keyed up. She's furious. She's like, you're

0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:51.560
<v Speaker 1>spying on me. I'm not your precious, Olivia, but I'm

0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a good cop, and not that I would know what

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>she looks like. I've never googled her.

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.800
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, precious Olivia, like, why are you jealous

0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of this woman? You didn't even have enough care to

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 2>google it. You said, yeah, it's weird, it's weird to

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.320
<v Speaker 2>take this out on her hate I hate it. R Yeah,

0:47:09.360 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it's so Reelson, what the fuck I know? And then

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I know you're a good cop. I wasn't

0:47:16.760 --> 0:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to spy on you. I want to introduce you

0:47:18.920 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 2>to someone. This is Sister Peg.

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.080
<v Speaker 1>She runs an outreach program for hookers his words, and

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:28.120
<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg goes sex workers Elliott, which I do feel

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>like two thousand and six, that's early, Like this is

0:47:30.680 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 1>season eight, Like that's early with Sister Peg using the

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:37.280
<v Speaker 1>right terminology because they keep going on and using hookers.

0:47:37.400 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 1>They keep going on using other language on this show

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 1>for quite a while before they start using sex worker regularly.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>But Sister Peg was on it from the jump, and

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.240
<v Speaker 1>they're like, we think Sister Peg can help with Belinda.

0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 3>So they send Sister Peg in.

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 1>To talk to her, and Beck goes, okay, meanwhile, you

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 1>and I can go pick up Victor.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Belinda gave me an address.

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 1>She said that he like, you know, he's got this

0:47:57.520 --> 0:48:00.440
<v Speaker 1>woman named Venice who owns the house where Belinda lives,

0:48:00.840 --> 0:48:03.360
<v Speaker 1>and every night Victor waits there to collect all the

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 1>girls money. So now they're at Venice's house and they're

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>banging on the door and she's like I'm coming, I'm

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.680
<v Speaker 1>getting my clothes on. It's like stalling or whatever, and

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>she's like, do you have a warrant? They do not

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 1>show one. They barge right past her. She did ask

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>for a warrant, but they just are like out of

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the way. Beck lays into Venice. She's like, I can't

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.680
<v Speaker 1>believe this, Like he's a man turning out girls, but

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 1>you're a woman helping him do it. You're worse than

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 1>he is. Like she's very upset that her gender plays

0:48:31.440 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a role like that. She as a woman, would like,

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, victimize these young girls. And Beck tells her,

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 1>why don't you sit down? And she won't and then

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:41.839
<v Speaker 1>she's like sit down and the Venice will not sit down,

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and then she tries another time to kind of like

0:48:43.680 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>push her onto the couch, but Venice does like any

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of condition.

0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:49.719
<v Speaker 2>This is actually one of my favorite this scene is

0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>that's one of my favorites ever. And I think about

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:54.440
<v Speaker 2>it all the time.

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 3>Best moments.

0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't sure it was Underbelly, but as soon

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.080
<v Speaker 1>as I saw Venice, I go, oh, my god.

0:48:58.960 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 3>The guy. I love this.

0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.800
<v Speaker 2>You're right, I'd never remember and now I'll remember forever

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>what episode it is.

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I always I'm like, because we've tried to

0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:09.560
<v Speaker 1>find other pimps before you know, but this is the

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 1>one where so basically they're like, what the fuck is

0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 1>going on?

0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:14.280
<v Speaker 3>I won't this bitch sit on the couch.

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:16.880
<v Speaker 1>And earlier she said something like don't mess up my

0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 1>couch because they started looking for weapons underneath the gu like,

0:49:19.520 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 1>so we're like, why are you making such gon deal

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:21.520
<v Speaker 1>about the couch girl.

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:23.239
<v Speaker 3>So they realize something's up.

0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 1>They open up the sofa bed, unroll the sofa bed,

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>and who is wrapped up inside Victor okay, and it

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>is Michael K. Williams, who is well known for playing

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Omar on the Wire and he's been in tons of

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>other things, an award winning actor who sadly and tragically

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 1>died in twenty twenty one after using heroin that was

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:47.080
<v Speaker 1>laced with fentanels. So we yeah, he's only been gone

0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 1>like a few years, but he is like such a

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:52.600
<v Speaker 1>scary villain in this as well, Like he's so good,

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.359
<v Speaker 1>he's such a good actor, and he just they take

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>him off and he just keeps going, call my attorney,

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Call my attorney. He's just telling Dennis, get my lawyer,

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and Beck goes, yeah, tell him the charges murder, three counts.

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:09.759
<v Speaker 1>So in interrogation, Stabler addresses him as John Victor Bodine

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:11.839
<v Speaker 1>and like reads off some of his rap sheet, and

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Victor is pretty confident that his lawyer is going to

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>show up and he's going to walk right out of there,

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 1>like he's one of these classic purpse like basically kick

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 1>him back, being like, you guys have nothing, I'm going

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.240
<v Speaker 1>to fucking walk here. And Stabler's like, oh, these three girls,

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.439
<v Speaker 1>what's up? You killed them? And he goes, I love

0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 1>my girls. Why would I kill those pretty little things?

0:50:31.000 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler goes, you got a funny way of showing love,

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:36.080
<v Speaker 1>making them screw strangers so you can buy your huggy

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:39.359
<v Speaker 1>bear threads, which is a reference to Starsky and Hutch

0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that I had to look up. And he says, I

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.319
<v Speaker 1>never made a woman do anything she didn't want to do.

0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 1>But the things they do for love, he says. And

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 1>he goes, these girls are society's trash. You throw them away.

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.200
<v Speaker 1>I take them in and give them a home and

0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 1>a family. And he's like, you got kids. You know

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 1>kids need structure. I need to discipline them or they'll

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>walk all over me. So Stabler also notices that this

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.359
<v Speaker 1>guy's hands are roughed up and he's like, oh, yeah,

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>it's from boxing.

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like a Golden glove boxer or whatever.

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And he basically is laughing in Stabler's face, going, I'm

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>about to walk up out of here. I'm gonna be

0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>in the dr watching my girl splash around in a pool,

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.680
<v Speaker 1>drinking a Kuba libre and smoking a koheba. And for

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>some reason, this little speech has been in my head

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:22.200
<v Speaker 1>for decades, Like I have literally had this speech in

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.200
<v Speaker 1>my head forever about drinking a kuba libre and smoking

0:51:25.239 --> 0:51:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a koheba in the dr, like I always remember this

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:30.719
<v Speaker 1>little speech from this guy. So Stabler goes, oh, yeah,

0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>enjoying their weak extradition policy, and he goes yeah, I'll

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:35.840
<v Speaker 1>be so close and you can't even touch me. And

0:51:35.880 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Stabler goes yeah, but you'll still be my bitch, and

0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Victor just laughs.

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 3>So the two of these they're sparring.

0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.480
<v Speaker 1>This is probably Stabler's favorite kind of guy that he

0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 1>likes to have a little back and forth with. So

0:51:46.280 --> 0:51:49.200
<v Speaker 1>now we're back with Beck and Belinda and sister Peg

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and they need Belinda to sign a statement against Victor

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, but he never did anything to me,

0:51:54.440 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 1>like I wanted to do all that stuff. And they're like, yeah,

0:51:57.120 --> 0:51:58.839
<v Speaker 1>but baby, did you have sex for money and then

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>give it to Victor? And she's like yeah, and they're

0:52:01.000 --> 0:52:04.840
<v Speaker 1>like that's a crime, unfortunately, so you know, like sadly,

0:52:04.960 --> 0:52:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you have been committing a crime. And she's like, well,

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:10.320
<v Speaker 1>where am I gonna go live if Victor goes to jail?

0:52:10.480 --> 0:52:12.959
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, where's your family? And she's like, back

0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:14.840
<v Speaker 1>in Toledo? So you want to send me back to

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>a double wide trailer full of brats with my mom

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 1>blobbed out in front of the TV and my stepdad

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.319
<v Speaker 1>crawling into my bed every night. So obviously she comes

0:52:23.320 --> 0:52:25.240
<v Speaker 1>from a horrible home life and that's not an option.

0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:30.600
<v Speaker 2>This is the monologue that lives in my head. Oh yeah,

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 2>like she's yeah, I just I love the library, my.

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Mom blobbed out in front of the TV watching her stories. Yeah,

0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and then she goes like they go, well, there are

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:49.440
<v Speaker 1>good foster parents, and Belinda's like hard passed, like no

0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.280
<v Speaker 1>one has ever taken care of me except for Victor.

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 1>He is my daddy. And sister Peg is like, well,

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>do you want to stay with me? And Belinda is

0:52:55.960 --> 0:52:58.080
<v Speaker 1>skeptical because She's like, I know how the system works.

0:52:58.080 --> 0:53:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't just like live wherever I want. Sister Peg

0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:02.759
<v Speaker 1>is like, well, actually, I'm a nun, so I only

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:05.000
<v Speaker 1>take orders from God. So like, anyone is allowed to

0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>come and stay with me if I say so. Danny

0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:09.799
<v Speaker 1>tells her to pull out the picture of the girls, right,

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>this infamous tattoo girl picture that's been the whole episode,

0:53:13.200 --> 0:53:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, look at your sisters, they're gone. Victor

0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 1>hurt them, and she's like, yeah, but he would never

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>hurt me.

0:53:19.000 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 3>He loves me.

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:23.920
<v Speaker 1>And it is like, I think this episode also really

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:29.560
<v Speaker 1>just like convinced me how fucking brainwashed these girls are

0:53:29.640 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the time. Like even if like a

0:53:31.520 --> 0:53:34.560
<v Speaker 1>guy is like hurting them or killing their friends and

0:53:35.360 --> 0:53:37.880
<v Speaker 1>has you in a life of servitude, basically you're like, no, no,

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.359
<v Speaker 1>he loves me, Like like nothing can get that out

0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:44.000
<v Speaker 1>of your head, you know. And obviously they know who

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:45.839
<v Speaker 1>to pick. She's got a shitty home life, she's got

0:53:45.920 --> 0:53:49.719
<v Speaker 1>no one else, and he does probably buy her an

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:53.000
<v Speaker 1>occasional purse, and she thinks that's love, you know, And

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:56.360
<v Speaker 1>so she's like, well, he would never hurt me. He

0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>loves me, and he's They're like, well, like the way

0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:01.640
<v Speaker 1>he loved Chantalain, Amber and Monique, I mean he killed them.

0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And Belinda's like no, and Beck's like, hees you about

0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:07.359
<v Speaker 1>what happened to them, but he threw them away like trash.

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.719
<v Speaker 1>And Belinda's like, but they aren't trash. And Beck's like

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and neither of you. And She's like, okay, are you

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:13.959
<v Speaker 1>sure I can live with you? To Sister Peg. Sister

0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.680
<v Speaker 1>PEG's like, yes, girl, come on over slumber party central

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 1>at the church.

0:54:17.320 --> 0:54:19.200
<v Speaker 2>And we know what comes next. Yeah. I don't know

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 2>if any child has ever been sent to Sister Peg

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and not brutally brought outside.

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:25.479
<v Speaker 3>Like has it ever worked out?

0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg needs mace, she needs a taser, she needs mace,

0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:31.840
<v Speaker 1>she needs a security guard, she needs something.

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 3>At that place, it like does not work.

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:39.400
<v Speaker 2>He is attacked every single time someone has a slumber

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:39.879
<v Speaker 2>party there.

0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Basically, the criminals are like, she's with the nun and

0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.560
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh easy, I'll be right there. You know,

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>they just going so we basically she agrees, Blinda agrees

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to sign the shit and she's gonna go live with

0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg. So now we're at arraignment and it's Casey

0:54:54.640 --> 0:54:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Novak up against victor's attorney Hashi Horowitz. Okay, a classic

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:02.919
<v Speaker 1>victor plea not guilty, And Novak's like, I want big bail.

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:04.839
<v Speaker 3>She just says high bail. She doesn't even like name

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:05.320
<v Speaker 3>a number.

0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I would say, he literally joked to our detectives about

0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 1>leaving the country. I would say, we he's remanded, you know,

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.319
<v Speaker 1>and or he has to release surrender his passport. And

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Hashi goes, that's just a prejuador, the prejudice the jury.

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 1>And Novak's like, he pimped out a fourteen year old girl.

0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:22.360
<v Speaker 1>And Hashi Horowitz is like, oh, well, why hasn't she

0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:25.399
<v Speaker 1>been arrested? Then that's a crime. And Novak goes, she's

0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a victim and Hashi Horowitz goes, she's a whore. And

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember him ever saying anything so horrible about

0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>a like it's a fourteen year old girl who's been like,

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, trafficked. Essentially. I didn't think Hashi Horowitz. I

0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:37.600
<v Speaker 1>knew he was ruthless, but I didn't think he was

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:40.799
<v Speaker 1>cold hearted like that. And then the judge is like,

0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:42.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, enough with the bickering, I'm setting the bail

0:55:42.760 --> 0:55:46.359
<v Speaker 1>at five hundred K. Stabler tells Victor as he's walking out,

0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:48.959
<v Speaker 1>better put that Dominican vacation on hold, and.

0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.719
<v Speaker 2>You know he kind of, you know, Michael K.

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:53.520
<v Speaker 1>Williams looks a little bit like he got got for

0:55:53.560 --> 0:55:58.359
<v Speaker 1>a second there, Victor. And Casey tells Stabler and Beck

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.680
<v Speaker 1>that pimping out a kid is a seafi. If I

0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:03.280
<v Speaker 1>convict him, you've got fifteen years to build your murder case.

0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 1>And they're like okay, and Beck's like, I'm too keyed

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>up to go home.

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyone want to go get a drink?

0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 1>So now Staylor, Beck, and Novak are at the bar

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and Stabler is like fawning over how good Beck was

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:19.960
<v Speaker 1>with Belinda, and It's like, you know, it's like dog,

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:22.400
<v Speaker 1>she's not even on Benson's level, like you're just separated

0:56:22.440 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 1>in horny, Like why are you like complimenting her so

0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:25.720
<v Speaker 1>hard on like how.

0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:27.120
<v Speaker 3>She's treating this girl.

0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And Beck's like no, no, and Stabler's like, see, she

0:56:30.920 --> 0:56:32.640
<v Speaker 1>can't even take a couple of men, and Novak goes,

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.080
<v Speaker 1>it's probably because you never give them, like you've never

0:56:35.080 --> 0:56:36.920
<v Speaker 1>said a nice thing to me in my life. And

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 1>then she goes, and then Stagler goes, but that's why

0:56:39.400 --> 0:56:41.439
<v Speaker 1>I like you. You know, no one wants a sensitive man.

0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:43.959
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, no, back. I don't think that's true either,

0:56:44.080 --> 0:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>but you know it's for her purposes as having a detective.

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's good that he's not that sensitive. Then

0:56:49.880 --> 0:56:51.960
<v Speaker 1>some nerd comes in and goes, Hi, Casey, and she goes,

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I got to go talk to him. He's a homicide

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>da and I am here to network.

0:56:55.320 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 3>So she leaves.

0:56:56.200 --> 0:56:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Plus she can probably feel that she's third wheeling hard

0:56:58.600 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 1>because these two are like quietly giving each other compliments

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>over a beer. And so she leaves Stabler and Beck alone,

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and Beck's like, I gotta get going, and he's like, well,

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:09.799
<v Speaker 1>you left your car back at the station, babe. And

0:57:09.840 --> 0:57:12.359
<v Speaker 1>he's like, I'll drive you. And she's like, no, no,

0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll take a cab. And he's like, it's fine, my

0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:15.319
<v Speaker 1>car's right up back, I'll take you.

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.400
<v Speaker 1>They get to his car, which it looks like it's

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 1>a Jeep Wrangler with a soft top.

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Have we seen that before? We know that was his car.

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 1>We've seen him once driving with Kathleen when they saw

0:57:25.080 --> 0:57:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the Once he was driving with either Kathleen or Marino Kathleen,

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 1>and they saw the fire, remember they saw like a

0:57:32.120 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 1>they saw like a car on fire on the side

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:34.479
<v Speaker 1>of the road or whatever.

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:35.320
<v Speaker 2>They stop to help him.

0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.640
<v Speaker 1>We've seen Stabler in a car a few times and

0:57:37.680 --> 0:57:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you have a Jeep Wrangler with a soft top,

0:57:39.760 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>or you a sixteen year old at my high school.

0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:43.919
<v Speaker 2>But also, how do the kids fit in there?

0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 3>What kind of car for a family of six?

0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Also, it's like New York City, anyone with a knife

0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>can like break into the soft top, Like it makes

0:57:50.960 --> 0:57:51.400
<v Speaker 1>no sense.

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even notice that.

0:57:52.760 --> 0:57:55.160
<v Speaker 1>But it's like it feels like classic, Like he just

0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.040
<v Speaker 1>feels like a cool guy, like probably from his lifeguard

0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 1>days in Astoria, like driving a soft hop up. So

0:58:01.720 --> 0:58:04.400
<v Speaker 1>he opens the door for Beck and then as she's

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:06.440
<v Speaker 1>about to get in, he just grabs her and pulls

0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 1>her in for a kiss.

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of out of the blue.

0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.080
<v Speaker 1>You'd think he'd like wait for a sign or like

0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more consent, but she kisses him back

0:58:13.240 --> 0:58:15.160
<v Speaker 1>and they start to make out, and then one of

0:58:15.160 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 1>their phones rings and they silence it, and then a

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.000
<v Speaker 1>pager beeps and they ignore it, and then another pager

0:58:20.040 --> 0:58:20.840
<v Speaker 1>beeps and they're like.

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, maybe if we're both getting paid.

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Something's going on and they look down and it's a

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:26.240
<v Speaker 1>nine to one to one they both have from Kraigan.

0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:29.600
<v Speaker 3>So Stabler calls him and it's bad news.

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Sister Peg was attacked and she's in the hospital.

0:58:34.040 --> 0:58:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Sister Peg cannot catch a fucking break like and Belinda

0:58:37.880 --> 0:58:41.000
<v Speaker 1>is gone, so dundun, We've got to stop the makeout

0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:42.880
<v Speaker 1>session and get there to.

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:46.440
<v Speaker 2>The And I wonder, like this was like two thousand

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:46.640
<v Speaker 2>and six.

0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I remember watching this episode, and I used to back

0:58:49.640 --> 0:58:51.920
<v Speaker 1>in the day around this time, want Stable and Benson

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:53.360
<v Speaker 1>to at least make out. I didn't want them to

0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:54.920
<v Speaker 1>like end up together, but I always wanted there to

0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:56.800
<v Speaker 1>be like a kiss. And I can't remember how I

0:58:56.840 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 1>felt about this kid. I remember hating Beck, but I

0:59:00.360 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 1>wonder if the fans were like, well, at least we're

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>seeing something him, something with you know. But like I'm

0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>sure the obviously the Benchler people hated this. But at

0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the hospital, Craigan is catching the two lovebirds up a

0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:18.960
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood to fight. They found Peg unconscious, no sign of

0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:21.480
<v Speaker 1>forced entry, and she'll tell us what happens when she

0:59:21.520 --> 0:59:24.480
<v Speaker 1>wakes up that can't believe that Belinda could have done this,

0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, Stabler, this could be one of your daughters.

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:30.200
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, uh fuck, no, excuse me. He's like,

0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 1>not my precious Catholic angels. He's like, once a girl

0:59:33.680 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>gets pulled down by the street, they're capable of anything,

0:59:36.600 --> 0:59:38.920
<v Speaker 1>So like, do not compare these girls to my girls

0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:42.040
<v Speaker 1>and whatever, Stabler. Then they get interrupted by a doctor.

0:59:42.120 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>She's like, what's up. It's been three seconds. Sister Peg

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is awake. So she says, I'm so sorry. I couldn't

0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:50.960
<v Speaker 1>stop him, Sister Peg. She goes, it was a man.

0:59:51.000 --> 0:59:52.640
<v Speaker 1>There was a knock at the door. I opened it.

0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>He shoved me in. I fell, he kicked me. He

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>cracked my ribs, Like you.

0:59:56.920 --> 0:59:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Don't I think maybe she would stop even offering for

0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:02.320
<v Speaker 2>people to say, I know my track records bad they

1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:05.560
<v Speaker 2>find us, we have no c Yeah, I just how

1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:07.120
<v Speaker 2>is this keeps being a plan?

1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 3>And how are they finding her?

1:00:08.880 --> 1:00:11.240
<v Speaker 2>So is She's just like listed like it's so, I.

1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:14.560
<v Speaker 1>Mean whatever, Maybe Belinda like told her him where she

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.680
<v Speaker 1>was because she's like so trapped by him. But like

1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:21.200
<v Speaker 1>this guy took Belinda, so she tried she goes, I

1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 1>try to stop him, but he hit me in the

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 1>head a couple of times and I passed out. So

1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:29.120
<v Speaker 1>also goes more to like how this man attacks people

1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:31.960
<v Speaker 1>as he goes right for the fucking head. And then

1:00:32.040 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>she described him as having a scar on his face,

1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:39.160
<v Speaker 1>which is a you know, distinguishing characteristic of Victor Boudin

1:00:39.240 --> 1:00:41.920
<v Speaker 1>as well as this actor. And they're like, how the

1:00:41.920 --> 1:00:44.200
<v Speaker 1>fuck did he make bail already? Like how would he

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>have made bail? So now they're in holding at the

1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:49.920
<v Speaker 1>jail and this UNI goes, no, no, Victor Bodine, he's

1:00:49.960 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>still here and he's waiting for transport to Wrikers.

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.920
<v Speaker 2>This is another classic moment. I guess this episode is

1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.080
<v Speaker 2>way more. It has so many more classics than we think.

1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:00.680
<v Speaker 2>This is one of my favorite moments and some s

1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:05.000
<v Speaker 2>FU history too, like it's sticks out. It's an interesting thing. Yeah,

1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:08.640
<v Speaker 2>but going I keep stopping you right now, It's like.

1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:12.480
<v Speaker 1>This is like this is you know, uh, this episode

1:01:12.480 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of classic elements.

1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So he calls Victor Bodine.

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:19.280
<v Speaker 1>This UNI goes Victor Bodine and surprised, some young kid

1:01:19.320 --> 1:01:22.760
<v Speaker 1>steps forward like definitely not Victor, and they're like, what's

1:01:22.800 --> 1:01:23.080
<v Speaker 1>your name?

1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:24.440
<v Speaker 2>And he's like Victor Bodinea.

1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:26.680
<v Speaker 1>They're like, cut the shit, like what's your name and

1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:29.040
<v Speaker 1>he's like, my name is actually Jason Young. And then

1:01:29.040 --> 1:01:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy goes, oh, Jason Young who got bailed out

1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:32.520
<v Speaker 1>three hours ago.

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<v Speaker 3>So that guy made no fucking wasted no time.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally got out of jail, went straight to get

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda knocked out a nun like, he went straight there.

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<v Speaker 1>He's only been out for three hours. How did he

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<v Speaker 1>find her again? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>Now they're talking to this kid.

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<v Speaker 1>They bring Jason Young in for questioning and they're like like,

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<v Speaker 1>why did you switch places with this guy who you

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<v Speaker 1>just met? And they're like, no, no, I've known Victor

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life. He's a legend in my neighborhood. Plus

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<v Speaker 1>we find out he promised him an iPod very of

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<v Speaker 1>the time, an expensive little eye, probably an iPod Touch

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<v Speaker 1>and Beck goes, you threw away your future for an

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<v Speaker 1>iPod and the kids like, what are you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>throwing away my future? Like, and the guy goes jail

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<v Speaker 1>break is a felony charge, and this kid's freaking out

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<v Speaker 1>because he's like, but I didn't break I didn't break

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<v Speaker 1>out I'm right here, and like, he didn't realize that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, helping a criminal get out of jail wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, how fucking stupid are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I mean, obviously, this dude is very manipulative

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<v Speaker 2>and like rocking people to doing what he wants. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is like, you thought this wasn't a crime. You

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<v Speaker 2>thought helping someone is jail was just chill.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Victor told him he was also going to get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it because soon the lawyer was going to

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<v Speaker 1>come spring him out and then no one would ever

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<v Speaker 1>be the wiser.

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<v Speaker 3>But unfortunately, the guy you helped.

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<v Speaker 1>Get out of jail immediately committed a crime within ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes of getting out.

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<v Speaker 3>So you fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>You trusted the wrong neighborhood legend. And so he's freaking

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<v Speaker 1>why is he a legend? Why ruining children's live? I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, get a new hero, Get a new hero.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, uh, he definitely doesn't realize he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to get in this much trouble. And they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well you can try to help us, maybe we'll lower

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<v Speaker 1>your sentence or something. Tell us where you were meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Victor for your iPod touch payment and it was Venice's crib.

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<v Speaker 1>So now we're back at Venice's house. She's in the

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<v Speaker 1>same outfit. It's definitely been a couple of days we've

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<v Speaker 1>had arraignment whatever, but she's in the same blue like

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<v Speaker 1>track suit outbit matching and is like, I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>Victor since you dragged his ass out of here in cuffs,

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<v Speaker 1>and they pissed her off, going, oh, yeah, he's on

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<v Speaker 1>the run, but you know, he went to great lengths

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<v Speaker 1>to bring Belinda with him. And she's like that skanky

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<v Speaker 1>ass ho, which they love saying that on this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Skanky ass ho.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got scan cost Central, you know, is a famous

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<v Speaker 1>quote from Iced Tea, which, by the way, a listener

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<v Speaker 1>did make us travel mugs that say scan cost Central

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<v Speaker 1>on them, and my children grab it out of the

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<v Speaker 1>cabinet all the time and play with it. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always like, can we just not play with the scan

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<v Speaker 1>cost Central mug? If another parent is over here, I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to get in trouble. But Stabler then twists

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<v Speaker 1>the knife for Venice and goes, yeah, I guess he

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<v Speaker 1>thought she'd look better topless on the beach in the

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<v Speaker 1>dr and Venice is like he promised me that trip.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's getting pissed, and Stabler goes show us where

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps his money, and Beck's like, Beck goes.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna let him?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you like that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like both of them are like literally speaking in a

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<v Speaker 1>microaggressive accent a lot of this episode, and Venice spills

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a loft by the river, down by the

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<v Speaker 1>Williamsburg Bridge, And I'm immediately like, damn, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>nice real estate down by the Williamsburg Bridge, North eleventh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they get there, the door is open to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the loft with two pack suitcases propping it open.

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<v Speaker 1>Beck and Stabler like creep into the place with their

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<v Speaker 1>guns drawn. They don't see anyone at first, but then

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<v Speaker 1>they hear Victor slapping Belinda and screaming at her in

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<v Speaker 1>the next room, and they're like they she walks.

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<v Speaker 3>Out, I didn't he leave her?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get like, just go to the DR, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand making a pit stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he probably was gonna kill her eventually in

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<v Speaker 1>the DR so that she can't testify for this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if they, if they somehow extradt him from the DRS,

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<v Speaker 1>she's already signed this document saying that he pimped her out.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like, if you kill her, she can't testify.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm assuming he was like literally about too,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Luck of them, Yeah, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>Beck and Stabler also, yeah, I would also say it

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<v Speaker 1>draws attention to yourself to be a full grown man

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<v Speaker 1>traveling with a girl who looks fifteen, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I would like, that's not your daughter, Like I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that that's uh, he probably would have been better

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<v Speaker 1>off just yeah, go to the dr by yourself. So

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<v Speaker 1>Belinda walks out of a room at one point and

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<v Speaker 1>they try to grab her and she's like, no, get

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<v Speaker 1>off me, and like goes back to Victor. And now

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<v Speaker 1>Victor comes out of the bedroom with her gun on her,

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<v Speaker 1>using her as a full human shield hostage, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>like both of you back up to Stabler and Beck

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<v Speaker 1>and Belinda's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't want to leave you, Victor.

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<v Speaker 1>Like she's like professing her love the whole time this

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<v Speaker 1>is going on. And this is always what I remember

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<v Speaker 1>about this episode two Like day on this girl, like

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<v Speaker 1>even as he's like holding a gun to her head,

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<v Speaker 1>is like, you're my one true love, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>and just can't break out of the like spell, and

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<v Speaker 1>so he brings her out the door down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a full chase, and then Belinda has fallen

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<v Speaker 1>at some point and she's like, please slow down, like

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<v Speaker 1>my ankle, Like I think she's twisted an ankle or something.

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<v Speaker 1>He eventually throws her over a railing, knowing that the

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<v Speaker 1>cops will like not shoot at him because they will

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<v Speaker 1>go to attend to the hanging teenager because she is

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<v Speaker 1>hanging on by her hands off of a railing and

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<v Speaker 1>she's just yelling Victor, Victor, and then Stabler saves her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's probably the whole time like get off me, my daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But Stabler saves her.

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<v Speaker 1>Victor runs for this suv, gets in and starts driving it.

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<v Speaker 1>They look like they're on a rooftop of the building too.

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<v Speaker 1>He starts driving it directly at Beck and then she

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<v Speaker 1>has no other choice.

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<v Speaker 3>She's saying stop, stop, stop. He's driving right at her.

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<v Speaker 1>She shoots at him like three times and she hits

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<v Speaker 1>him like you see the bullets hitting. And in the

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<v Speaker 1>next scene it's the morning and he is dead. He

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<v Speaker 1>is dead head against the sheering wheel Victor did not

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<v Speaker 1>make it. So they're loading Belinda into the ambulance and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, can I see him? And they're like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably best that we just cut it off here, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's like, he loved me. No one else has ever

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<v Speaker 1>loved me. And then the ambulance takes off, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler spots Beck staring off at the Manhattan skyline. It's

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<v Speaker 1>quite it's very beautiful, and he's like, let me drive

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<v Speaker 1>you home, and their posture is like very couple like,

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<v Speaker 1>like just the way that they're holding themselves near each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But then she goes, I need to be alone, and

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<v Speaker 1>she just walks away from him, and that's dick wolf baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not gonna be horny for you after this case, Stabler.

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<v Speaker 1>She's upset. Every case gets in her head. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to continue the makeout from earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, it's I just don't like seeing him

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<v Speaker 2>this desperate either, I know, just like strange and uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next episode is the l Fanning episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where Beck calls it quits. After that one, after

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<v Speaker 1>a little girl sets her house on fire, she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I got to move on. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>got to go back to where'd they say that she

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<v Speaker 1>came to victim? She just likes dead people homicide. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but Craigan says something like Warrens sent her or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, some other department I hadn't heard of. But anyway, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to get back into where Beck came from.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's about how the live victims are harder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and yeah, she's also Danish assigned to the SVU.

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<v Speaker 3>It's why it's just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a Danish exchange program. All right, Well, the

1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:02.799
<v Speaker 2>crimes they're here. So Matthew Tompkins' case. On the streets,

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<v Speaker 2>he was known as Knowledge and this guy sixty three

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred pounds and according to a lot of sources,

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<v Speaker 2>he won Pimp of the Year.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and when.

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<v Speaker 2>They were organizing that, huh, Yeah, they were searched. So

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<v Speaker 2>when they like eventually searched his properties, they found a

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<v Speaker 2>giant four foot Pimp of the year's statue And it's

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<v Speaker 2>from a DC competition called the Player's Ball, and it

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the pimp that convinces everyone that he made

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<v Speaker 2>the most money in the biggest name for himself that year.

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<v Speaker 2>But also drum roll, he was a bronx mailman at

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<v Speaker 2>this he was a mailman. He was a lettercari hey,

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<v Speaker 2>so he was like this mild mannered mailman and then

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<v Speaker 2>pimp of the year all at the same time. And

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<v Speaker 2>he had a hummer, and he was known to recruit

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<v Speaker 2>girls as young as thirteen, so straight from this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was working from at least nineteen ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and he obviously sucked, you know. One of the former

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<v Speaker 2>sex workers said that she was seventeen and he made

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<v Speaker 2>her pose for explicit photos for the Village Voice and

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<v Speaker 2>then made her have sex with the photographer for payment

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<v Speaker 2>for those photos.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, And in two.

1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Thousand and four she said that she brought in like

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and twenty two thousand, two hundred dollars one year,

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<v Speaker 2>like in two thousand and four, and was only given

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<v Speaker 2>twenty dollars a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Obscene, obscene, It's just I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Another said she was practically at like a slave, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was to news Channel ten and Amarillo, Texas. It's

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<v Speaker 2>from the ap but like wild story for them to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up, yeah, from this Texas paper.

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<v Speaker 3>Or news channel.

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<v Speaker 2>December two thousand and five, he is busted in his

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<v Speaker 2>hummer and the ego is what really got him because

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<v Speaker 2>he did an interview with a Florida magazine and they

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<v Speaker 2>used the name Brandon, which was an alias of his,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the FBI came knocking not long after that. So,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna be doing illegal stuff, I wouldn't do pr. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it really wouldn't do press. But it was also part

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<v Speaker 2>of a year long probes. The FBI and New Jersey

1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:05.200
<v Speaker 2>State Police were watching him and actually the US Postal

1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Service Inspector General's Office and oh and yeah, local police

1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:13.720
<v Speaker 2>as well. And he had seven to eight girls, each

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<v Speaker 2>of them brought in one to two grand a night

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<v Speaker 2>and as much as like fifty k a weekend. So

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<v Speaker 2>he's just making a lot of a lot of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had homes everywhere. He had homes in Bronx, Yonkers, Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 2>South Jersey, and Las Vegas. And so he was charged

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<v Speaker 2>at thirty eight years old with conspiracy to recruit underage

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<v Speaker 2>prostitutes and money laundering. And he was the head of

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<v Speaker 2>a Hunts Point based sex workering that did business in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Boston, Atlanta, Philly, Miami, Atlantic City,

1:11:43.040 --> 1:11:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and Vegas. So yeah, you gotta get awards. But they're

1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:51.280
<v Speaker 2>fucking organized. And so one of the associates of the

1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:55.080
<v Speaker 2>six that were arrested with him, Demetrius Booby Lemis, admitted

1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:59.960
<v Speaker 2>that they admitted that they started hoodlum records to recruit went.

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<v Speaker 2>They all pled guilty, all the pimps. So we have

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<v Speaker 2>Ramla Khan argrugious. I'm not if you're a plug guilty pimp.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I have to say your name, right ha.

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<v Speaker 2>We have women Emily and Jacqueline Collins called Salski, someone

1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:20.080
<v Speaker 2>named Jemerson, and then one unnamed and then obviously you

1:12:20.120 --> 1:12:24.960
<v Speaker 2>know Booby, so March then Booby Yeah, so March two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven. He was sentenced to more than twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three years in prison, Thank fucking God. Hell yes, he

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<v Speaker 2>pled guilty to the conspiracy to transport miners and the

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The laundering was about

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred thousand dollars in US Postal Service in Western

1:12:41.080 --> 1:12:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Union money orders purchased and used by members of this conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>And interesting, So.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was like, why is he staying

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<v Speaker 1>in the postal service? Like once he starts making this money,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why stay in the postal service.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, just to keep up the.

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<v Speaker 1>Front that you're like working a regular job, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>also using the postal service your advantage.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like diabolical and he figured it out,

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<v Speaker 1>he did.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know who I always think about Gus Fring.

1:13:08.760 --> 1:13:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Is that the from Breaking Bad? Yeah? Poios armanos baby,

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<v Speaker 2>Because in my head, I'm like, I would just not

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<v Speaker 2>sell drugs if I didn't have I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>work at the chicken spot, Like I just can't imagine

1:13:19.640 --> 1:13:22.639
<v Speaker 2>clocking in as a chicken shop manager. Like I guess

1:13:22.680 --> 1:13:24.799
<v Speaker 2>you could take vacation time to be at your property.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably about the love of the crime. I have

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<v Speaker 2>to rewatch that show, okay, yeah, okay. So with the

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<v Speaker 2>pleading guilty, he agreed to four feit seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight two hundred and forty three dollars in funds,

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<v Speaker 2>Like really exact, he gave up three New York properties,

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<v Speaker 2>one New Jersey property, and eight vehicles, all which came

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<v Speaker 2>from like this illegal sex work enterprise slave situation. So

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<v Speaker 2>basically he tried to plead with this judge. The judge

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<v Speaker 2>is a US district judge. Fredswolfson, and he was asking

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<v Speaker 2>for leniency because him and the girls bonded as family,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, oh, okay, well I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 2>you the maximum. Actually I hate you. No, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the full maximum. She was unmoved. Just for effect. I

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<v Speaker 2>said that the max was thirty years, and she gave

1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:09.040
<v Speaker 2>him twenty three. So the judge said to him, you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't send your daughter or sister to do that. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a family. But we know that some people

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<v Speaker 2>in certain families do that. So yeah, it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>our world knows no and to the darkness.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, so he also had a two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars fine, but also money from monetary losses suffered

1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:33.320
<v Speaker 2>by the victims, so he owed them a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>money and shocking, he also resigned from the postal service

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<v Speaker 2>after he pled guilty. So if you were wondering, one

1:14:41.280 --> 1:14:43.920
<v Speaker 2>of the former girls said in court, if he gets out,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was a Channel nine news and Trenton, New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>But via the AP in New Jersey in twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>they passed the bill that got unanimous approval that victims

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<v Speaker 2>of human traffickings, criminal records would be expunged, and it

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<v Speaker 2>happened to some of the women in this case Trafficking Prevention,

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<v Speaker 2>Protection and Treatment Act that Atlantic County Assistant Prosecutor Danielle S.

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<v Speaker 2>Buckley called, in quotes a paradigm shift where sex workers

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<v Speaker 2>are not just seen as people committing crimes, but more

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally victims of vicious psychological controlling.

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<v Speaker 3>So thanks, great, take that, Hashi Horowitz.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so one of the women was the first for

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<v Speaker 2>this bill to work for. And you know, she had

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<v Speaker 2>a really hard life. Father murdered at five, mother abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>her ten years later. She had a son at twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>and then fell for this man who introduced her to heroin,

1:15:31.479 --> 1:15:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and then met a man Tompkins, who promised to help

1:15:33.520 --> 1:15:35.479
<v Speaker 2>her make money and reunite her with her son, but

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<v Speaker 2>instead controlled her life and pushed her into the sex business.

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<v Speaker 2>Beating's threats. She was arrested a bunch and her testimony

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<v Speaker 2>is what helped put this fucker in jail, but her

1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:47.000
<v Speaker 2>convictions stayed on her record and she couldn't get a job.

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<v Speaker 2>And this would be like just a giant step to

1:15:49.360 --> 1:15:52.640
<v Speaker 2>getting her life back and so her record got expunged

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<v Speaker 2>and they gave back all the fines that she had paid,

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<v Speaker 2>which was around ten grand. And it's and she says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough to trust the STEM and cops that arrested you.

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<v Speaker 2>But hopefully this helps a lot of people and has

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<v Speaker 2>helped them in the decade plus that this bill has

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<v Speaker 2>been passed. But I'm sure we'll be reversed any moment,

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<v Speaker 2>so we shall see. And then the next case is

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos Curtis case. And I would say this was like

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<v Speaker 2>probably the most difficult if I had finding information. It

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<v Speaker 2>was only like FB like court reports, and then one

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times like a paragraph and a giant other expose.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I had to pay seven dollars to read

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<v Speaker 2>this Washington Post article. They do a thing, but I

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<v Speaker 2>like this. It's seven dollars for a week and no renewal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there's Oh that's nice. It says no renewal. I mean,

1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna check it for sure, but it says like

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<v Speaker 2>no automatic renewal if you do it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like a week long, like like a day pass.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to read a couple of things, and I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of here. Yeah, I'm like, should I get ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of schedule because I only have it for a week.

1:16:50.240 --> 1:16:52.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to keep giving them seven dollars every

1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:54.639
<v Speaker 2>time I want to read a paper. But truly nothing

1:16:54.680 --> 1:16:58.680
<v Speaker 2>about this man. It was really difficult, but this so

1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Curtis was found guilty in sex trafficking, corsion, enticement

1:17:03.439 --> 1:17:07.559
<v Speaker 2>of a minor, transportation of a person for prostitution, and

1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:10.519
<v Speaker 2>he was sentenced to life in prison. He was brought

1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:13.080
<v Speaker 2>in for prostituting a twelve year old runaway he recruited

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<v Speaker 2>from New York and the initials are ap for her

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<v Speaker 2>and a seventeen year old he brought to the district

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<v Speaker 2>from Maryland.

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<v Speaker 3>C B A lot of that, I guess, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know DC.

1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:27.240
<v Speaker 2>People call it the district, but oh yeah, that's the district, honey.

1:17:28.200 --> 1:17:30.720
<v Speaker 2>He was the first pimp tried, So both of these

1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:33.400
<v Speaker 2>cases actually of huge legal first things, like she was

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<v Speaker 2>the first, you know, in the previous case, it was

1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:38.160
<v Speaker 2>the first to have this bill work for her, this

1:17:38.280 --> 1:17:41.439
<v Speaker 2>victim's bill. And this guy was the first pimp tried

1:17:41.479 --> 1:17:45.240
<v Speaker 2>in the district under federal statute. In an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>use federal anti trafficking laws as a tool to prosecute

1:17:49.400 --> 1:17:52.719
<v Speaker 2>pimps so they would have stiffer penalties than the local

1:17:52.800 --> 1:17:57.519
<v Speaker 2>statutes would allow. So this Trafficking Victims Protection Act was

1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:02.360
<v Speaker 2>passed in two thousand and Also, prior to this case,

1:18:02.520 --> 1:18:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he was convicted in New Jersey in nineteen ninety eight

1:18:04.920 --> 1:18:08.120
<v Speaker 2>for promoting prostitution of a minor. And I don't know

1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:09.880
<v Speaker 2>why he didn't get more time for it. It was already

1:18:09.880 --> 1:18:11.840
<v Speaker 2>back out on the streets. It really makes no sense

1:18:11.880 --> 1:18:14.080
<v Speaker 2>to me. And I couldn't find information on that first

1:18:14.560 --> 1:18:17.200
<v Speaker 2>arrest as well. But it was a big point of

1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:21.280
<v Speaker 2>contention in the courts because you know, the defense obviously

1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:25.519
<v Speaker 2>argues you can't have like past crimes involved in the

1:18:25.520 --> 1:18:28.920
<v Speaker 2>future thing and so like to put him away for life.

1:18:28.920 --> 1:18:32.320
<v Speaker 2>You can't have if this past case. But that's the

1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:34.799
<v Speaker 2>attorney was saying. Then she was arguing that the Jersey

1:18:34.840 --> 1:18:38.840
<v Speaker 2>conviction was not violent and should not count towards the

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<v Speaker 2>decision for a life sentence. I guess I don't know why,

1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I said she Jensen Egerton Barber. The second, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>it's a man.

1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Why I mean, I guess, well, I'll voting in prostitution

1:18:51.720 --> 1:18:55.800
<v Speaker 1>is not exactly violence, but it feels well, this violence adjacent.

1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:59.160
<v Speaker 2>The judge was so like, I'm obsessed with this judge.

1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:03.040
<v Speaker 2>So Kessler, okay, So she disagreed and said the earlier

1:19:03.080 --> 1:19:07.240
<v Speaker 2>conviction was indeed violent, and with the Maryland drug convictions

1:19:07.280 --> 1:19:10.400
<v Speaker 2>as well and the district pimping conviction, it all works out.

1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:13.160
<v Speaker 2>And then she was quoted and this is what you're

1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:15.080
<v Speaker 2>getting at. Putting a girl out on the street for

1:19:15.160 --> 1:19:19.880
<v Speaker 2>prostitution exposes her to beating, to assault, to murder. So

1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:22.280
<v Speaker 2>in that way, it is very fucking violent. You know.

1:19:22.439 --> 1:19:24.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't get to just throw someone out in the

1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:27.920
<v Speaker 2>streets to do really unsafe work with no protections and

1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:29.439
<v Speaker 2>then say it's not violent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck you know. So this judge is the shit. March

1:19:33.280 --> 1:19:36.160
<v Speaker 2>thirty first, two thousand and four, this federal judge issued

1:19:36.200 --> 1:19:38.439
<v Speaker 2>a nine count indictment and he was found guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>six of the nine charges on July second, two thousand

1:19:41.240 --> 1:19:44.120
<v Speaker 2>and four, and he was sentenced to six concurrent terms

1:19:44.120 --> 1:19:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of life. But it took more than a year from

1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:50.439
<v Speaker 2>being convicted by a jury to be sentenced, so he

1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:53.519
<v Speaker 2>was sentenced March seventeen, Saint Patrick's Day Hello in two

1:19:53.560 --> 1:19:56.280
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, he was given the chance to address

1:19:56.280 --> 1:19:59.719
<v Speaker 2>the court, he did not, And then again US District

1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Judge Gladys Kessler, I'm obsessed with her, called his crimes

1:20:05.360 --> 1:20:09.320
<v Speaker 2>to the Washington Post degrading beyond words, and it was.

1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:12.200
<v Speaker 2>He was twenty nine and his face was stunned when

1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:15.560
<v Speaker 2>Kessler said life, and the Post wrote a face was

1:20:15.600 --> 1:20:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a portrait of a pained disbelief. So fuck you, bitch,

1:20:19.840 --> 1:20:22.840
<v Speaker 2>and the judges quoted yes again in the Post, I

1:20:22.880 --> 1:20:24.479
<v Speaker 2>had to get the most out of my seven dollars.

1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:28.320
<v Speaker 2>They suffer psychologically and emotionally, and they suffer physically, and

1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:31.720
<v Speaker 2>they often suffer for a lifetime, as mister Curtis is

1:20:31.720 --> 1:20:34.839
<v Speaker 2>going to suffer for a lifetime. This bitch is poetic.

1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like a Cussoice judge like good quotes good knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>He was, though granted compassionate release in twenty twenty by

1:20:42.880 --> 1:20:47.040
<v Speaker 2>Judge Beryl A. Howell. He served seventeen years of this

1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:51.360
<v Speaker 2>life sentence and basically he has extreme ms. Oh he

1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:53.519
<v Speaker 2>lost eighty five percent of his vision. He's in an

1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.320
<v Speaker 2>electric wheelchair or in his bed and that's it. And

1:20:56.400 --> 1:21:00.240
<v Speaker 2>his physical condition gave him fears of contracting COVID, and

1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:03.240
<v Speaker 2>we covered cases where we were writing to parole boards

1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:06.240
<v Speaker 2>to make sure people weren't fucking let out during COVID

1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:11.800
<v Speaker 2>during this passionate release bonanza. But yeah, yeah, I mean

1:21:11.840 --> 1:21:13.599
<v Speaker 2>when you're ms, is that fucked up?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's like if he's eighty five percent, I mean,

1:21:16.200 --> 1:21:17.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not going to do it again, right, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the capacity.

1:21:18.840 --> 1:21:21.400
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, So he tried to get out many times before,

1:21:21.560 --> 1:21:23.360
<v Speaker 2>so like there was it was the same reasoning, but

1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:25.760
<v Speaker 2>he was denied tons of times, Like he tried to

1:21:25.760 --> 1:21:27.719
<v Speaker 2>appeal and get out, like, oh well all the time,

1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:30.680
<v Speaker 2>but because of the convictions and discipline history, no one

1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:34.519
<v Speaker 2>really cared. But basically the court document said that the

1:21:34.520 --> 1:21:37.200
<v Speaker 2>defendant at this time in no way resembles the defendant

1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:40.560
<v Speaker 2>sentenced in two thousand and six and he got supervised

1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:44.000
<v Speaker 2>released for five years. But again, his physical limitations seriously

1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>undermine the notion that you would you don't do anything.

1:21:47.520 --> 1:21:49.360
<v Speaker 2>And I guess he did show remorse. He said he

1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:51.559
<v Speaker 2>hated who he was and.

1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.320
<v Speaker 1>That's that all right, Well he hated to do I

1:21:54.320 --> 1:21:56.599
<v Speaker 1>can all agree on something, and I hate to say

1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>like it if it's the first federal case, it's like

1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that does send a message to other sex traffickers and

1:22:02.200 --> 1:22:04.559
<v Speaker 1>like pimps that you know you could also get back

1:22:04.560 --> 1:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>to back life sentences, you know, like.

1:22:07.000 --> 1:22:10.960
<v Speaker 2>This, man, I know, it just makes me feel like

1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't want them to make an example of Luigi.

1:22:15.160 --> 1:22:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I know, I know I don't either. I don't either.

1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:21.320
<v Speaker 3>But a one time it feels different than running a business.

1:22:21.600 --> 1:22:25.200
<v Speaker 2>It's very different. It's just like nuance is so important

1:22:25.200 --> 1:22:27.360
<v Speaker 2>in our world, is like void of it now. But

1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:32.240
<v Speaker 2>it's just like yeah, for this, I'm definitely like fuck everyone.

1:22:32.479 --> 1:22:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so true. But we have a great guest coming up,

1:22:37.080 --> 1:22:48.639
<v Speaker 1>so don't move a muscle. Our guest today has been

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<v Speaker 1>working since she was thirteen years old, when she made

1:22:51.240 --> 1:22:54.920
<v Speaker 1>her acting debut in the film Little Manhattan. She's also

1:22:54.960 --> 1:22:57.479
<v Speaker 1>been featured on shows like FBI's Most Wanted and Inside

1:22:57.520 --> 1:22:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Amy Schumer. But you know her best as the paw

1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>print back tatted underage sex worker Belinda Halt aka Passion.

1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Please enjoy our chat with Charlotte Ray Rosenberg.

1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:13.000
<v Speaker 2>It's actually wild saying your face because you've been in

1:23:13.040 --> 1:23:15.839
<v Speaker 2>it in our minds since season eight. It's like wild

1:23:16.320 --> 1:23:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and that is thank you. What a classic episode, such

1:23:23.040 --> 1:23:26.559
<v Speaker 2>a good performance, What a little what a little How

1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:27.040
<v Speaker 2>old were you?

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<v Speaker 6>I think I was fourteen?

1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:32.240
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, like that was I may have been thirteen, I

1:23:32.280 --> 1:23:33.519
<v Speaker 7>know I was playing fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and how did it? Did you know?

1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.120
<v Speaker 2>You were like a sex worker on the street abuse? Like,

1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:39.719
<v Speaker 2>how do you kind of prep for that at thirteen?

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<v Speaker 2>And your parents are like, let's do this?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I grew up in New York City at

1:23:46.040 --> 1:23:49.240
<v Speaker 7>the time. My mom and I watched the show.

1:23:48.920 --> 1:23:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Weekly, oh, calegeously.

1:23:51.920 --> 1:23:53.320
<v Speaker 6>So we were huge fans.

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<v Speaker 7>We you know, I knew it was a I was

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<v Speaker 7>also yeah, for better or for worse. My parents let

1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:04.840
<v Speaker 7>me watch really brutal stuff from a very young age.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, you go, you grow up fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on the street, those New York City kids, they

1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:11.719
<v Speaker 1>grow up fast.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We do live shows on the road and we get

1:24:16.000 --> 1:24:19.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of mom daughter duos, dad daughter or grandma's

1:24:19.120 --> 1:24:21.400
<v Speaker 2>like it was wildly it's a family show.

1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:21.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody always says I was watching it when I was

1:24:24.000 --> 1:24:25.720
<v Speaker 1>way too young to be watching it. It's like, I

1:24:25.760 --> 1:24:28.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know everyone's watching it, and like when they're ten.

1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, we need to have lessons, like I bet your

1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I bet this episode helped people in the future, you know,

1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I hope, Yeah, I bet they'd people like wait this,

1:24:41.800 --> 1:24:43.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't want I don't want to do that ever.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know like like having sex with children is bad,

1:24:46.880 --> 1:24:50.200
<v Speaker 7>it's a good life lesson. Yeah. I remember at the

1:24:50.280 --> 1:24:53.479
<v Speaker 7>time it was the idea of being you know, sort

1:24:53.479 --> 1:24:56.439
<v Speaker 7>of like Jodie Foster and Taxi driver was like a

1:24:56.479 --> 1:25:01.720
<v Speaker 7>big selling point, and you know, it never it never

1:25:01.760 --> 1:25:04.639
<v Speaker 7>crossed my mind that it would be problematic in any way.

1:25:05.240 --> 1:25:08.080
<v Speaker 7>And I had, you know, sort of boheman parents.

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<v Speaker 6>In that way.

1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:11.559
<v Speaker 7>I was just watching the episode like right before I

1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:16.840
<v Speaker 7>signed on, and it's it's it's wild looking back and

1:25:16.960 --> 1:25:21.320
<v Speaker 7>just I got a little emotional like myself.

1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.080
<v Speaker 6>And just like dress up in that outfit.

1:25:25.840 --> 1:25:31.080
<v Speaker 7>I mean that outfit is amazing, like it it also

1:25:31.240 --> 1:25:34.840
<v Speaker 7>reminded me and this is like a little sus But

1:25:35.200 --> 1:25:39.160
<v Speaker 7>I I remember like that pink sort of bathing suit

1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:42.520
<v Speaker 7>top I had like no boobs.

1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:45.320
<v Speaker 6>And they like made me have big day. They like

1:25:45.520 --> 1:25:49.479
<v Speaker 6>stop you, They like made me have boobs, which is

1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:53.519
<v Speaker 6>like cut, it's a little weird.

1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:54.920
<v Speaker 3>That's so weird.

1:25:55.160 --> 1:25:57.760
<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, well I just think what's what's weird is

1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>like the show either casts like little kids to play

1:26:01.040 --> 1:26:03.400
<v Speaker 1>little kids, but usually when it's like a teen, it's

1:26:03.439 --> 1:26:05.360
<v Speaker 1>like a twenty year old playing a fourteen year old

1:26:05.439 --> 1:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>or a thirteen year old, and you're like the actual age,

1:26:08.000 --> 1:26:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think that they do that that much.

1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like that's a testament to your acting.

1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>They were like, she can handle this, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the audition, like what besides?

1:26:19.120 --> 1:26:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us more of like what came into your

1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:25.640
<v Speaker 2>mind watching it and when it was happening and they

1:26:25.640 --> 1:26:27.519
<v Speaker 2>were giving you the boobs, do you remember feeling a

1:26:27.520 --> 1:26:30.360
<v Speaker 2>certain way about it or like I.

1:26:30.240 --> 1:26:32.240
<v Speaker 7>Think at the time, I was just like, yeah, like

1:26:32.320 --> 1:26:35.360
<v Speaker 7>that looks hot, like cool? Yeah, Like I was, you know,

1:26:35.600 --> 1:26:38.760
<v Speaker 7>I was like really into being sexy, and.

1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.200
<v Speaker 6>The in later years I was.

1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:45.000
<v Speaker 7>It was when I was sort of like wait, wait okay,

1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:49.160
<v Speaker 7>but I was they I was playing fourteen and they

1:26:49.240 --> 1:26:50.120
<v Speaker 7>so what.

1:26:50.040 --> 1:26:55.280
<v Speaker 6>Was the message there? But yeah, I remember the audition.

1:26:56.280 --> 1:26:59.400
<v Speaker 7>It's you know, in Chelsea Peers where they also shoot.

1:27:00.360 --> 1:27:04.000
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't remember the actual inside the audition,

1:27:04.400 --> 1:27:10.360
<v Speaker 7>but I remember being really excited about being cast as

1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:12.800
<v Speaker 7>I think to this day it's like the kind of

1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:17.080
<v Speaker 7>hardest character I've been cast as because I think people

1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:19.479
<v Speaker 7>usually see me as more like soft or.

1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.840
<v Speaker 6>You know, more precocious.

1:27:24.000 --> 1:27:28.799
<v Speaker 7>And I was so excited to meet Marishka, like idol,

1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:34.040
<v Speaker 7>and then a bit disappointed when I got said and

1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:36.760
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I guess I had read the script ahead

1:27:36.760 --> 1:27:38.000
<v Speaker 7>of time too, but I was like.

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh, well, you know what, we're disappointed For a second,

1:27:46.920 --> 1:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you were going to have like this story of how

1:27:48.720 --> 1:27:51.160
<v Speaker 2>she was mean to you. And then I was like, oh, yeah,

1:27:51.200 --> 1:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>it's fucking back.

1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:57.000
<v Speaker 7>No, no, I I can tell you about how fucking

1:27:57.040 --> 1:28:03.200
<v Speaker 7>amazing Marishka Hargay is though, because when you originally reached

1:28:03.200 --> 1:28:06.920
<v Speaker 7>out about this podcast, I assumed that it would be

1:28:07.080 --> 1:28:13.760
<v Speaker 7>about a later episode. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but

1:28:13.840 --> 1:28:16.200
<v Speaker 7>I was I was utterly delighted to know that this

1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:19.559
<v Speaker 7>episode was about Underbelly. But no, no, she was amazing,

1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:22.120
<v Speaker 7>So yeah on set, I didn't meet her at the time,

1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:27.400
<v Speaker 7>and I was crestfallen. But Connie was lovely, so lovely,

1:28:27.880 --> 1:28:31.960
<v Speaker 7>and you know, I was less starstruck, which was probably

1:28:32.040 --> 1:28:34.320
<v Speaker 7>a good thing for me, you know.

1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:37.280
<v Speaker 2>And you didn't care about Maloney at all in terms

1:28:37.360 --> 1:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>of it was all about Marishka, right, yeah.

1:28:42.720 --> 1:28:45.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was just like, oh, yeah, that's the guy. Okay, cool.

1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Did your mom come to set with you?

1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:54.479
<v Speaker 6>Yes, she was. She was totally excited. I mean again,

1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:56.320
<v Speaker 6>because we were such fans of the show.

1:28:56.840 --> 1:28:59.280
<v Speaker 7>We were just like, oh, look there's the jail cell,

1:28:59.439 --> 1:29:02.600
<v Speaker 7>and like there there's the interrogation room. And it was

1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:08.040
<v Speaker 7>almost this, you know, it was like the ultimate fan experience.

1:29:10.000 --> 1:29:11.439
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, she was there.

1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:16.200
<v Speaker 7>And I remember Connie Nilsen like also trying to teach

1:29:16.240 --> 1:29:20.120
<v Speaker 7>me how to cry in like our little scene we

1:29:20.200 --> 1:29:21.799
<v Speaker 7>have together, and I didn't.

1:29:22.640 --> 1:29:24.639
<v Speaker 6>I didn't quite squeeze out a tear.

1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Well I started in season seventeen. Oh yeah, you were

1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:30.160
<v Speaker 2>really crying on the stand.

1:29:30.400 --> 1:29:33.759
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, lots of squeezed out a lot of tears.

1:29:34.120 --> 1:29:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we we.

1:29:35.880 --> 1:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because we covered this episode already on the podcast.

1:29:39.000 --> 1:29:42.840
<v Speaker 1>This is the episode a Misunderstanding from season seventeen, and

1:29:43.080 --> 1:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I remember saying, oh, the main girl in this is

1:29:46.240 --> 1:29:49.519
<v Speaker 1>the girl from Underbelly. But then I'm really kind of

1:29:49.560 --> 1:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>glad that we got you for Underbelly and not for

1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:54.679
<v Speaker 1>that one, because we're obviously going to talk about both.

1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>But in that you got to the two big lawyers,

1:29:57.439 --> 1:30:01.200
<v Speaker 2>like and it's one of the evil defense attorneys we like,

1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:04.080
<v Speaker 2>don't like on the show, was your so, Elizabeth Marble,

1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>why don't I wash?

1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:07.360
<v Speaker 3>And Delancey Delaney.

1:30:06.960 --> 1:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>William Delaney William Yeah, he's Buchanan to me, it's so hard.

1:30:10.520 --> 1:30:13.000
<v Speaker 3>So how was it working with the two lawyers that

1:30:13.080 --> 1:30:13.400
<v Speaker 3>we love?

1:30:14.160 --> 1:30:17.559
<v Speaker 7>Well, they were fabulous and yeah Raoul as Barzo, Oh

1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:23.680
<v Speaker 7>my god, they were Yeah, he was Delaney is his

1:30:23.840 --> 1:30:25.160
<v Speaker 7>name plays Buchanan?

1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:29.759
<v Speaker 6>He was mean, he was really, he's Spain.

1:30:29.960 --> 1:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>We had him on the podcast and we were like,

1:30:31.720 --> 1:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>you're so nice and thank god, because if I saw

1:30:34.840 --> 1:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>you in the street, I would probably like, well, no,

1:30:37.000 --> 1:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>what's his Twitter?

1:30:38.400 --> 1:30:42.080
<v Speaker 2>Bio? Was like the guy you love to hate or something. Yeah,

1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:44.120
<v Speaker 2>like your least favorite person on a.

1:30:44.080 --> 1:30:45.519
<v Speaker 6>Show that's really good.

1:30:45.920 --> 1:30:48.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, excellent, jerk excellent.

1:30:49.479 --> 1:30:54.479
<v Speaker 7>I remember being visibly repulsed and upset at him, just

1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:56.920
<v Speaker 7>like how it was just so like how he was

1:30:56.960 --> 1:31:01.040
<v Speaker 7>like violating my personal space. And but did you know

1:31:01.120 --> 1:31:03.120
<v Speaker 7>that Marishka directed that episode?

1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>We didn't know, so you really got to meet her?

1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Did you tell her about Underbelly and you caught up?

1:31:08.960 --> 1:31:11.519
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And so this is where this is the moment

1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:15.599
<v Speaker 7>where I get to like gush about Marishka, because not

1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:18.479
<v Speaker 7>only did I finally get to meet with her and

1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:21.400
<v Speaker 7>work with her, you know, as an actor, but she

1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:25.360
<v Speaker 7>was It was like a life changing experience for me

1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:28.800
<v Speaker 7>working with her, and I actually I recently reached out

1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:34.040
<v Speaker 7>to her about it because I have been transitioning more

1:31:34.040 --> 1:31:38.760
<v Speaker 7>into filmmaking and I was telling her that, you know,

1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:41.040
<v Speaker 7>even though I didn't quite realize it at the time,

1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:45.160
<v Speaker 7>being directed by her was like a huge inflection point

1:31:45.240 --> 1:31:51.599
<v Speaker 7>for me because she the way she made me feel,

1:31:51.760 --> 1:31:53.760
<v Speaker 7>and I think all of the actors, but you know,

1:31:53.840 --> 1:31:56.760
<v Speaker 7>she was giving me so much attention because of my role.

1:31:57.680 --> 1:32:00.559
<v Speaker 7>She just created such a sense of safety and like

1:32:01.360 --> 1:32:04.640
<v Speaker 7>feeling seen and like loved, and like there was just

1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:10.760
<v Speaker 7>this like immense empathy and sensitivity and like you know,

1:32:10.960 --> 1:32:13.920
<v Speaker 7>like looking into my soul with like tears in her

1:32:13.960 --> 1:32:17.960
<v Speaker 7>eyes almost and just just it was so beautiful. And

1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:20.640
<v Speaker 7>it was that that I think really allowed me to

1:32:21.880 --> 1:32:24.439
<v Speaker 7>go to the places that I went to and give

1:32:24.479 --> 1:32:26.759
<v Speaker 7>the performance that I did that I was like really

1:32:26.800 --> 1:32:29.840
<v Speaker 7>proud of and I don't think would have happened in

1:32:29.880 --> 1:32:31.559
<v Speaker 7>a normal way.

1:32:32.320 --> 1:32:33.559
<v Speaker 6>And it was the first time.

1:32:33.439 --> 1:32:37.200
<v Speaker 7>I saw like, oh, because you know, especially coming into

1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:41.160
<v Speaker 7>this industry at such a young age, I had such

1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:43.200
<v Speaker 7>an idea of what it meant to be a director,

1:32:43.520 --> 1:32:46.320
<v Speaker 7>and of course it was very patriarchal and very male,

1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:50.559
<v Speaker 7>and you know that like almost having a megaphone kind

1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:54.200
<v Speaker 7>of idea of shouting ordering people around. And it was

1:32:54.240 --> 1:32:56.680
<v Speaker 7>the first time I had experienced someone who was not

1:32:56.800 --> 1:33:03.080
<v Speaker 7>only a woman, but like using the emotional sensitivity she

1:33:03.240 --> 1:33:08.559
<v Speaker 7>had as like an actor and a deeply feeling loving

1:33:08.720 --> 1:33:15.280
<v Speaker 7>person to create like such beautiful performances and energy on

1:33:15.320 --> 1:33:18.479
<v Speaker 7>the set, Like it was just so palpable, and it

1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:21.840
<v Speaker 7>kind of made me realize like, oh, maybe I could,

1:33:22.240 --> 1:33:24.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, maybe I could do that too, and I

1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:27.400
<v Speaker 7>don't have to be I don't have to change that

1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:29.920
<v Speaker 7>part of myself, but I could like bring that sort

1:33:29.960 --> 1:33:34.800
<v Speaker 7>of empathetic sensitivity to directing work. So it was really

1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.640
<v Speaker 7>and she she just I mean she was incredible. Like

1:33:37.720 --> 1:33:40.920
<v Speaker 7>we stayed in touch, and I'm sure she's done this

1:33:40.960 --> 1:33:43.679
<v Speaker 7>with so many people, but just like such Mama Bear,

1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:46.720
<v Speaker 7>like above and beyond. I don't know how she has

1:33:46.760 --> 1:33:50.639
<v Speaker 7>the bandwidth for it, but she just made me feel

1:33:50.680 --> 1:33:54.559
<v Speaker 7>so special and seen and like, yeah, I can't say

1:33:54.680 --> 1:33:56.840
<v Speaker 7>enough that's her.

1:33:57.560 --> 1:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's the majority opinion. And it feels like

1:34:00.960 --> 1:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>everybody's like, just she's uh. And it's like you just

1:34:04.640 --> 1:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>hear about other like number ones on call sheets who

1:34:07.920 --> 1:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>are just assholes, and you're like, but look at the

1:34:10.320 --> 1:34:13.680
<v Speaker 1>longest running live action show on television is run by

1:34:13.680 --> 1:34:16.360
<v Speaker 1>this person that most people are like, she's the best

1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:19.479
<v Speaker 1>person ever. So it obviously can lead to success. You

1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>don't have to be a dick, but I'm obviously mostly

1:34:23.880 --> 1:34:26.519
<v Speaker 1>talking about men. I feel like that's around when she

1:34:26.600 --> 1:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>started directing. That might have been because I remember her

1:34:29.160 --> 1:34:31.679
<v Speaker 1>directing into like the twenty in the seasons in the twenties,

1:34:31.720 --> 1:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>but like that might have been one of her first

1:34:33.960 --> 1:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>directorial forays.

1:34:36.080 --> 1:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>You know how was We're you know the boy playing

1:34:39.920 --> 1:34:40.479
<v Speaker 3>a rapist.

1:34:40.760 --> 1:34:41.559
<v Speaker 6>That was funny.

1:34:41.600 --> 1:34:44.320
<v Speaker 7>We sort of it was like, I feel like, not

1:34:44.479 --> 1:34:49.320
<v Speaker 7>what you would normally hear about an assault, assault a victim,

1:34:49.439 --> 1:34:54.240
<v Speaker 7>sort of actor dynamic. But we talked so much about

1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:57.720
<v Speaker 7>I think, especially being adults, like trying to find the

1:34:57.720 --> 1:35:01.679
<v Speaker 7>innocence of being kids, and even the you.

1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:04.639
<v Speaker 6>Know, from his perspective, like what he was going through.

1:35:05.240 --> 1:35:07.639
<v Speaker 7>And I think the way the way it was sort

1:35:07.640 --> 1:35:10.599
<v Speaker 7>of put together, like we we really want it, and

1:35:11.160 --> 1:35:14.720
<v Speaker 7>Mirish I think really wanted to create a lot of

1:35:15.080 --> 1:35:18.680
<v Speaker 7>ambiguity and a lot of grayness, and because that's so

1:35:18.880 --> 1:35:23.280
<v Speaker 7>often the reality that you know, if people don't fall

1:35:23.360 --> 1:35:27.519
<v Speaker 7>into a specific type of victimhood, it's just it doesn't

1:35:27.560 --> 1:35:32.760
<v Speaker 7>count or something. And also just you know, not in

1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:35.200
<v Speaker 7>the like, oh, whose life is ruined? What a you know,

1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:38.519
<v Speaker 7>poor victim in that way, but just in the system

1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:45.679
<v Speaker 7>of toxic masculinity and how that is horrible for boys too.

1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that that episode is based on something that

1:35:49.680 --> 1:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>happened at Saint Paul's, the boarding school that was like

1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:56.360
<v Speaker 1>highly publicized and it was like very similar of like

1:35:56.479 --> 1:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy dressing like a boy, like with the you like,

1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>putting on like the Harry Potter look or whatever, like

1:36:04.160 --> 1:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the guy and the real thing did that as well,

1:36:06.600 --> 1:36:09.360
<v Speaker 1>which kind of shows how lawyers and parents like made

1:36:09.400 --> 1:36:12.160
<v Speaker 1>everything so complicated in the episode as well, you know,

1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:14.640
<v Speaker 1>because the difference in the real case, I think is

1:36:14.680 --> 1:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>that the kid in the real case did not come

1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:18.519
<v Speaker 1>from a ton of money, so he was always like

1:36:18.600 --> 1:36:20.599
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a fish out of water at

1:36:20.600 --> 1:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>the school I think as well, But.

1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:24.799
<v Speaker 3>Not in this episode.

1:36:24.960 --> 1:36:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, this guy's he's got he's got a he's got

1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a really, really Protestant looking mom, so I can tell

1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>you real bossy parents when.

1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:37.559
<v Speaker 7>She's like ye wow, is that like I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 7>from that, I just remember Marshca like telling me what

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<v Speaker 7>like a great job I was doing, which is like, yeah,

1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.680
<v Speaker 7>it just just like the speaks to I remember she

1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:52.360
<v Speaker 7>said something about like, oh, like you're you're so natural,

1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:54.719
<v Speaker 7>like you're you know, like you're raising the bar or something.

1:36:55.160 --> 1:36:57.559
<v Speaker 7>This sounds like I'm really tooting my own horn, but

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<v Speaker 7>I just but but I'm tooting I'm tooting her horn

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<v Speaker 7>because I think that's like, as an actor, you really

1:37:05.800 --> 1:37:08.840
<v Speaker 7>need to hear that stuff like in real time, just

1:37:09.680 --> 1:37:13.040
<v Speaker 7>to like let go of the voice that's.

1:37:12.960 --> 1:37:16.160
<v Speaker 6>Constantly telling you you're a piece of shit, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>And yeah, I just think like she gave so much

1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:28.280
<v Speaker 7>of that like affirmation that it just like allowed us

1:37:28.320 --> 1:37:32.200
<v Speaker 7>to just be. But yeah, no, it's just it's something

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<v Speaker 7>I've been thinking a lot about as like I've started

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<v Speaker 7>working with actors and as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Director, So tell us about that. What are you up to?

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<v Speaker 7>So I wrote and directed my first short film, like

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<v Speaker 7>this past fall, I produced a feature film that's gonna

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<v Speaker 7>be premiering at a festival that I don't think is

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<v Speaker 7>officially announced yet, but it's very exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what's the name of the movie, just we can

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<v Speaker 1>keep an eye out for it. Yeah, it's called Honest

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<v Speaker 1>on a String.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, I love acting and I love telling stories

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<v Speaker 7>in that way, but I've also fallen in love with

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<v Speaker 7>with directing, and it's been really cool seeing you know,

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<v Speaker 7>obviously today that's just such a norm actors, directing, writing,

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<v Speaker 7>et cetera.

1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:25.640
<v Speaker 6>But it's funny like looking back and even.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, when I started, it was it wasn't really

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<v Speaker 7>as much of a thing, you know, especially for women.

1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>And did you continue watching SU after you did your episode,

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<v Speaker 2>like as a family or did it kind of change everything?

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<v Speaker 6>That's a good question.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember we because we were religious about it, like

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<v Speaker 7>every week, you know, I had a dance to the

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<v Speaker 7>theme song, and after the first time I was on it,

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<v Speaker 7>we just sort of stopped and we didn't have a Sasiz.

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<v Speaker 1>Made you lost the magic? Yeah it did. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>watch your episode?

1:39:04.360 --> 1:39:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Of course your family and how did your fai like

1:39:06.960 --> 1:39:09.040
<v Speaker 2>parents react to seeing you in this. I mean, your

1:39:09.040 --> 1:39:10.120
<v Speaker 2>mom was on set.

1:39:09.880 --> 1:39:15.760
<v Speaker 6>But my parents are really funny. They were I think

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<v Speaker 6>they were just.

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<v Speaker 7>Like Yeah, like that's our girl, Like that's our girl,

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<v Speaker 7>like walking in such our daughter's passion.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Well wait, I have to ask you obviously about your

1:39:34.479 --> 1:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>big break film, Little Manhattan, that I don't know. The

1:39:38.400 --> 1:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Internet says that you just you just booked this off

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<v Speaker 1>of an open call? Is that factual? Because the Internet

1:39:43.800 --> 1:39:44.519
<v Speaker 1>lies all the time?

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<v Speaker 7>Good question, because yeah, I do feel like there are

1:39:47.360 --> 1:39:53.120
<v Speaker 7>so many sort of fictional pr stories out there, but.

1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:56.920
<v Speaker 6>This one was wildly true.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, what is the first stutted movie?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I can't wait to see this.

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<v Speaker 1>This movie, Lisa, I thought you would like. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it's got Cynthia Nixon our face.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm looking at it right now.

1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And Bradley Whitford, Willie Garson from Another City. Yeah,

1:40:13.640 --> 1:40:15.920
<v Speaker 1>we've had Josh pa Us on the podcast We're Gonna

1:40:15.920 --> 1:40:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Get Bradley Whitford one day and Josh Hutcherts. Did I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's like star studded. Wait, this is so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to see this. So I remember this movie

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<v Speaker 1>coming out and seeing like a clip of it or.

1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:31.879
<v Speaker 2>The preview of Dylan's candy Bar shirt and this picture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember because your character's name is Rosemary, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>my mom's name.

1:40:38.240 --> 1:40:39.920
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, isn't that that's so sweet? A

1:40:39.960 --> 1:40:41.800
<v Speaker 3>little girl with my mom's name or.

1:40:41.720 --> 1:40:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, Like it just stuck in my head because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>And also I think I lived in Manhattan by this time,

1:40:49.560 --> 1:40:51.320
<v Speaker 1>but that this movie came out, but I was like, wow,

1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it must be so cool to be a kid in Manhattan.

1:40:53.280 --> 1:40:56.679
<v Speaker 1>But you also wore a kid in Manhattan, So tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about like making this.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I I think it was really The writer directors

1:41:04.520 --> 1:41:09.599
<v Speaker 5>were a husband and wife, lovely, awesome, cool team and

1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:13.840
<v Speaker 5>they I think really it was one of those examples

1:41:13.920 --> 1:41:16.360
<v Speaker 5>of in casting, it's like you can look for the

1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:18.360
<v Speaker 5>actor who is the best.

1:41:18.880 --> 1:41:23.320
<v Speaker 7>Actor, or the person or the person the actor who's

1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:24.360
<v Speaker 7>the person you know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying that in a weird, convoluted way.

1:41:26.760 --> 1:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>But.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was like a weird I my aunt in

1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:35.280
<v Speaker 7>Long Island saw ad in the newspaper for an open

1:41:35.280 --> 1:41:38.519
<v Speaker 7>call audition and mistakenly thought it was an American girl

1:41:38.560 --> 1:41:40.760
<v Speaker 7>doll movie, okay, and.

1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:42.960
<v Speaker 6>I was into American girl dolls.

1:41:43.160 --> 1:41:46.160
<v Speaker 7>And I remember I couldn't like make the open call

1:41:46.880 --> 1:41:49.040
<v Speaker 7>because I had a piano recital or something. But I

1:41:49.120 --> 1:41:52.080
<v Speaker 7>made like this collage because I had never I had

1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:54.040
<v Speaker 7>never auditioned before. I had never I didn't have an

1:41:54.080 --> 1:41:56.439
<v Speaker 7>agent or anything. I just like made a clause of

1:41:56.640 --> 1:41:59.280
<v Speaker 7>like different photos of myself and it was like Meet

1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:02.639
<v Speaker 7>Charlie because I was like sort of channeling American girl.

1:42:02.920 --> 1:42:03.280
<v Speaker 6>Anyway.

1:42:03.320 --> 1:42:05.120
<v Speaker 7>It was not it had nothing to do with American

1:42:05.120 --> 1:42:09.599
<v Speaker 7>girl dolls, but anyway, it was like, you know, a

1:42:09.640 --> 1:42:13.440
<v Speaker 7>million They had already cast Josh. He was like seasoned

1:42:13.520 --> 1:42:18.320
<v Speaker 7>veteran already by then, and I think they just wanted

1:42:18.320 --> 1:42:20.439
<v Speaker 7>a girl who was like just a real New York

1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:20.840
<v Speaker 7>you know, I.

1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:21.800
<v Speaker 6>Grew up downtowns.

1:42:21.840 --> 1:42:25.240
<v Speaker 7>It was very different, but I think they just wanted

1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:29.280
<v Speaker 7>like a.

1:42:27.360 --> 1:42:30.440
<v Speaker 6>A real New York City kid or something.

1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:35.880
<v Speaker 7>And it was again, I mean, I was definitely I

1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:38.320
<v Speaker 7>definitely realized it was not a normal thing at the time.

1:42:38.439 --> 1:42:41.680
<v Speaker 6>But you know, as I as I got older, as

1:42:41.720 --> 1:42:42.920
<v Speaker 6>I realized.

1:42:42.400 --> 1:42:48.600
<v Speaker 8>What a shit storm of a difficult you know, profession

1:42:48.760 --> 1:42:55.040
<v Speaker 8>and auditioning and all that stuff it was, I definitely

1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:59.800
<v Speaker 8>sort of fell into a once in a lifetime sort

1:42:59.800 --> 1:43:01.680
<v Speaker 8>of experience.

1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:04.840
<v Speaker 6>And then I you know, I just like rolled up

1:43:04.880 --> 1:43:07.160
<v Speaker 6>to set and of course, like my first day.

1:43:07.040 --> 1:43:12.200
<v Speaker 7>On set was shooting with Cynthia Nixon, and as I mentioned,

1:43:12.240 --> 1:43:14.200
<v Speaker 7>my parents let me watch anything, so I had already

1:43:14.240 --> 1:43:15.960
<v Speaker 7>been watching Sex in the City by that I was

1:43:16.000 --> 1:43:18.360
<v Speaker 7>like a huge fan and I was.

1:43:18.760 --> 1:43:22.320
<v Speaker 6>I threw up because I was so nervous, and I

1:43:22.400 --> 1:43:24.840
<v Speaker 6>was just like, oh my god, what's going on?

1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:27.519
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, it was just like really fun and I

1:43:27.600 --> 1:43:29.320
<v Speaker 7>just did it and then it was like, Okay, I

1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:30.360
<v Speaker 7>guess I like acting.

1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:32.960
<v Speaker 3>That's wow.

1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:36.360
<v Speaker 1>And then do you and your little on screen boyfriend,

1:43:36.439 --> 1:43:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Josh Hutchardson keep in touch.

1:43:39.920 --> 1:43:45.120
<v Speaker 6>No, I haven't talked to Josh in a while. That

1:43:45.160 --> 1:43:49.640
<v Speaker 6>would be. That would be I remember, like I was also.

1:43:52.360 --> 1:43:55.040
<v Speaker 7>I had later done a pilot that was like never

1:43:55.120 --> 1:44:00.200
<v Speaker 7>picked up a CBS pilot, and Jennifer Lawrence was in

1:44:00.280 --> 1:44:04.000
<v Speaker 7>the pilot as well, like just a day player role

1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:07.880
<v Speaker 7>like as my friend or something and humble brag.

1:44:08.800 --> 1:44:12.839
<v Speaker 6>But I just remember like being in college.

1:44:12.880 --> 1:44:16.040
<v Speaker 7>I went to Northwestern, I majored in theater, and I

1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:21.200
<v Speaker 7>was like struggling to get cast in, you know, my

1:44:21.880 --> 1:44:26.040
<v Speaker 7>the student theater production that I wanted, and then I

1:44:26.120 --> 1:44:28.519
<v Speaker 7>remember it was the same time, like Hunger Games were

1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:30.040
<v Speaker 7>blowing up, and it was like.

1:44:30.439 --> 1:44:33.760
<v Speaker 6>Josh Utterson and Jennifer Lords, and I was like, I

1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:41.320
<v Speaker 6>made a huge mistake. Oh god, yeah, but yeah I was.

1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.280
<v Speaker 7>I was his first kiss. And I hope that's not

1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:46.280
<v Speaker 7>my biggest claim to fame in life.

1:44:46.479 --> 1:44:49.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh but it's so you like, I don't know, you're

1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:52.280
<v Speaker 1>so cute in that, You're so like like that.

1:44:52.320 --> 1:44:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I just remember the cover of it so well.

1:44:54.640 --> 1:44:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Also, I just looked up that married couple that wrote

1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>and directed it really quickly and they co created Big Mouth,

1:45:02.479 --> 1:45:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Huge hitch show that's out now.

1:45:04.240 --> 1:45:07.080
<v Speaker 6>Yes, crazy and Jennifer back from.

1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Two sweet little kids walking around New York falling in

1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:14.360
<v Speaker 1>love to kids humping pillows and one of the most

1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:19.439
<v Speaker 1>pervy shows out there. I know, that's so funny.

1:45:19.520 --> 1:45:22.639
<v Speaker 6>They were, they're they're they're awesome. They're so cool.

1:45:22.720 --> 1:45:25.400
<v Speaker 3>This is so exciting. Yeah, so much.

1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.720
<v Speaker 1>About this film you made when you were just a baby. This,

1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:34.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean this episode of TV you made and the movie. Yeah,

1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>to meet Belinda, I am thrilled. Belinda whole passion forever. Well,

1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:48.160
<v Speaker 1>she was delightful to love a city kid that she's

1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>loved talking to. I love talking to a city a

1:45:50.600 --> 1:45:54.559
<v Speaker 1>city kid, Yeah, Manhattan kid. She's getting into directing. We

1:45:54.600 --> 1:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>need more ladies behind the camera tooo, so the female

1:45:58.160 --> 1:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>show runner at SVU and we got Charlotte ray Rosenberg

1:46:01.040 --> 1:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>behind the camp camera now.

1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, and to give a shout out to the survival

1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:10.240
<v Speaker 2>of the thickest seventy percent women and people of color crew.

1:46:10.439 --> 1:46:14.600
<v Speaker 2>So that's cool, yes, huge, yes, yeah, and it's like

1:46:14.680 --> 1:46:18.479
<v Speaker 2>a great set to be a yeah yeah yeah. Women

1:46:18.640 --> 1:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>directors killing it. Oh my god, that's episode horrific. What

1:46:24.760 --> 1:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't stop singing where in the middle of a

1:46:27.080 --> 1:46:29.479
<v Speaker 2>hot stop take over.

1:46:30.000 --> 1:46:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so good. I sing it like all day long.

1:46:34.800 --> 1:46:40.600
<v Speaker 2>As ye lady in office this episode. Oh this is

1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:42.439
<v Speaker 2>too late. I wonder if married women are gonna have

1:46:42.479 --> 1:46:45.639
<v Speaker 2>the right to vote or not. We'll see. We'll talk

1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:48.280
<v Speaker 2>about it next intro. The vote's happening. Oh yeah.

1:46:48.400 --> 1:46:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Also the head of like, now we're just gonna start

1:46:50.400 --> 1:46:51.840
<v Speaker 1>like reporting all this like it's funny.

1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:52.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1:46:52.400 --> 1:46:55.280
<v Speaker 1>The head of Congress, the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,

1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:57.800
<v Speaker 1>just made sure that if you're in Congress and you

1:46:57.960 --> 1:47:00.599
<v Speaker 1>just had a baby, you cannot vote remotely. They do

1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:03.280
<v Speaker 1>not want anybody voting remote people.

1:47:04.400 --> 1:47:06.720
<v Speaker 2>People have been bringing their babies, but you.

1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Better get you better pack up, put your diaper on

1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and get your ass to DC after you've given birth,

1:47:12.640 --> 1:47:14.439
<v Speaker 1>something that a man could never fucking do.

1:47:15.120 --> 1:47:20.800
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, but yeah, so if your birth certificate

1:47:20.800 --> 1:47:23.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't change, doesn't bet your ID, and you don't have

1:47:23.120 --> 1:47:26.160
<v Speaker 2>a passport, you're not gonna be able to vote the

1:47:26.160 --> 1:47:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Party of Family Values.

1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:28.839
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

1:47:28.880 --> 1:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Uh, this episode wild, this episode crazy. As we

1:47:34.600 --> 1:47:38.479
<v Speaker 1>said always, I'll never forget that fucking tattoo as long.

1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:38.720
<v Speaker 3>As I live.

1:47:38.760 --> 1:47:43.040
<v Speaker 1>It's literally part of the logo of my kids school,

1:47:43.800 --> 1:47:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Like it's like a little pawprint, and every time I

1:47:46.520 --> 1:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>see it, I'm like, that looks like the fucking underbelly tattoo.

1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>But oh, we gotta keep we gotta keep these teen

1:47:54.120 --> 1:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>girls away from these fucking bad guys.

1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:57.479
<v Speaker 3>We gotta.

1:47:57.720 --> 1:48:00.120
<v Speaker 2>I felt so bad for Belinda. She was between to

1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:01.040
<v Speaker 2>rock in a hard place.

1:48:01.160 --> 1:48:03.200
<v Speaker 1>She can't go back to Ohio, she can't be with

1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:06.000
<v Speaker 1>a pimp who's got himself wrapped up inside of a

1:48:06.040 --> 1:48:06.880
<v Speaker 1>sleeper sofa.

1:48:07.600 --> 1:48:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm honestly just thinking about the women voting now,

1:48:11.479 --> 1:48:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I know, Zara.

1:48:13.840 --> 1:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I threw a wrench in to the post mortem this

1:48:16.080 --> 1:48:18.320
<v Speaker 1>week for what would Sister Peg Do? We're our weekly

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<v Speaker 1>a book, whatever we are going to point you to

1:48:24.880 --> 1:48:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Protect All Children from Trafficking. This is an organization called

1:48:29.040 --> 1:48:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Protect All Children from Trafficking abbreviated to PACKED. This is

1:48:32.640 --> 1:48:35.599
<v Speaker 1>the first US organization to focus on the commercial sexual

1:48:35.600 --> 1:48:39.960
<v Speaker 1>exploitation of children. They offer educational initiatives, legislative advocacy, and

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<v Speaker 2>Much, and next week we'll be doing the episode Terrorized,

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<v Speaker 2>Season eighteen, Episode one, don Dove.

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