Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories.
Speaker 4: Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up, a
Speaker 4: SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Kara Klank and I'm Lisa Traeger. We talk SVU
Speaker 2: True crime. We have guests. I would say we're kind
Speaker 2: of like James Lipton towards the end of the pod,
Speaker 2: really doing a deep dive.
Speaker 1: When you get to heaven. What would you like to
Speaker 1: hear God say? Wait, you know what we should talk about.
Speaker 1: Is it finally happened. Law and Order SVU finally hired
Speaker 1: a female showrunner.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we posted this on our Instagra.
Speaker 1: I know at this point it's like a couple weeks
Speaker 1: later that we haven't talked about it on the actual pod.
Speaker 1: We posted on our Instagram like the day after we
Speaker 1: found out. But it's exciting because not only is she
Speaker 1: like a random female showrunner, she just was on like
Speaker 1: the early seasons, Like she worked on seasons three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: Like she's running.
Speaker 2: Get to the old air.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, she's from the Golden Age baby, and I
Speaker 1: kind of love that, and you know, people love she's queer.
Speaker 3: People are loving that. I just think it's like it's time.
Speaker 1: You know, we've had please, yes, so many men running
Speaker 1: the show, and they've you know, they've given us some
Speaker 1: glorious stuff. But let's get Let's get a lady at
Speaker 1: the helm and no more most powerful lifeguards anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: let's get some Let's go back to like the days
Speaker 1: of just random shit happening to just New Yorkers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: We're a Housewives episode, for the love of god. Why
Speaker 2: won't they do it? Maybe it's because it's an NBC
Speaker 2: universal thing.
Speaker 1: Right, Like what I mean, what would happen? Like one
Speaker 1: housewife kills another one?
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: No, it would be kind of I bet it would
Speaker 2: be like an Erica and Tom and then she'd be like,
Speaker 2: I've been being abused. I didn't do any of it
Speaker 2: and I was forced to do it. Would be maybe
Speaker 2: the twist I'm seeing. Yeah, or gentshaw Than is like, well,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if you let me, if you
Speaker 2: let please plead me out, I'll let you know. The
Speaker 2: guy in charge and he's like a trafficker or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: For being so demanding, I should have better ideas.
Speaker 1: Judge Josh just just doing her thing, jun John just
Speaker 1: doing elder abuse.
Speaker 2: And then they get her or there's like a twist
Speaker 2: where they go to some like slums and they realize
Speaker 2: the Chase own it, and that's how they get caught
Speaker 2: with all of their stuff.
Speaker 1: They go to they go to Bougie Kids and they
Speaker 1: find out that all the kids have been modeling, and
Speaker 1: then they haven't signed any of the contracts and they're
Speaker 1: being overworked.
Speaker 2: Wait, did have you seen the trailer for the Next Generation?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I saw the just the instagram.
Speaker 2: I'm excited. It looks fun.
Speaker 1: It's just like basically a reality show of young people
Speaker 1: living in New York.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but four of them are housewife like children. I
Speaker 3: saw his mare and his son. Who else is it?
Speaker 1: Gia Teresa's daughter okay, and then Riley Candy's daughter.
Speaker 2: Okay. Her name's Riley, right, Yeah, yeah, her name's Riley.
Speaker 3: But Riley never speaks.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see how this Riley literally is
Speaker 1: the most monotone person I've ever seen on television.
Speaker 3: So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: And then ari Arianna Arianna Beerman. Yeah, so Kim Kim
Speaker 1: Kim's Olia's daughter. Yeah, and she seems kind of funny.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just really I have a tough
Speaker 1: time with like young young people getting plastic surgery and yeah,
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think of Like I saw the
Speaker 1: Instagram and I didn't recognize all those faces, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I only recognized Brooks like Ariana's
Speaker 1: front and center in the photo, and I did not
Speaker 1: recognize her.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I also just see her as like a
Speaker 2: child's with pigtails for cheerleading. You know. So I haven't
Speaker 2: thought about her in a while, but I'm excited and
Speaker 2: I will be watching. Yeah, but it is all the
Speaker 2: mouse monotone kids, because brooksmarks is also monotone.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: I feel like I gotta watch the trailer. I haven't
Speaker 1: watched it. But it's silly.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like young twenty rich Yeah, people living
Speaker 2: in New York. I'm excited.
Speaker 1: It's just it's gonna be some summer fun. Nuts for sure.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so fast. Oh wait did you see You
Speaker 3: probably did?
Speaker 1: But like, uh, I see was in some Adidas commercial
Speaker 1: where the first thing he says is that's messed up.
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw, well we posted about it on the
Speaker 2: this thing, so I saw that, but uh, wait, what's
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 3: I mean within a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I wonder if he's like, hey, I'm doing
Speaker 2: an ad you gotta put this in.
Speaker 1: It had just been like a few years since he'd
Speaker 1: even said it on the show, Like I know, more
Speaker 1: than a few. I think it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: They like purposely stopped. I mean, sure, are they communicating
Speaker 1: with us? Yeah, I don't know what you want for
Speaker 1: he subconsciously telling he's uh yeah, he's telepathically telling us
Speaker 1: he wants to be on the pod.
Speaker 2: Oh so I did do the Petting Zoos stand up show?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, tell us? How was that? It was amazing?
Speaker 2: So I got there and I no one had picked chinchilla.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I walked in into this one comic had two snakes
Speaker 2: on her body, so that was tough for me to
Speaker 2: be around. But I got to meet a beard a
Speaker 2: dragon and hold him and his her I apologize. Her
Speaker 2: name was Sydney, and then I got to have like
Speaker 2: a parrot on me and his name was Signior and
Speaker 2: that was exciting. But then for the show there was
Speaker 2: also like a weird creepy lizard, the snakes, a tortoise,
Speaker 2: and a dove. But I did go with the chinchillas
Speaker 2: so soft, right, softer than you could ever imagine. But
Speaker 2: the thing is so the grifter fashion stylists that fucked
Speaker 2: me over before my special. He had a chinchilla and
Speaker 2: when Sydney came with me, she was like, that's a
Speaker 2: dehydrated chinchilla. That's not a good life for a chinchilla.
Speaker 2: This is fucked up because she had seen chinchillas. I
Speaker 2: have never and now meeting these really well taken care
Speaker 2: of chinchillas, I can attest that his chinchilla was not
Speaker 2: well taking care of her, groomed or anything like that.
Speaker 2: These So it was spot and snowball and you have
Speaker 2: to like hold your arms like a shelf, but they
Speaker 2: don't sit still, so like they are running on my
Speaker 2: body as I'm doing Why yeah, And I'm like try
Speaker 2: and they're just adorable. And then one nibbled on me
Speaker 2: a little, but it was like communicative to be like
Speaker 2: I'm too hot. So then the other one came out,
Speaker 2: so I got to like work with both of them,
Speaker 2: which was fun. Oh my god, Oh my god, god's
Speaker 2: really fun.
Speaker 3: So cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have something to bring up actually, and then
Speaker 2: and I hope I'm scared that who I'm about to
Speaker 2: talk about listens, But I don't care. Did I already
Speaker 2: talk about this this group dinner? Did I talk about
Speaker 2: this group dinner? I went to a group Okay, I
Speaker 2: went to a group dinner. And it's one of those
Speaker 2: places with like a lazy Susan in the middle of
Speaker 2: the table. So all the food's on the table and
Speaker 2: there's a communal dish of like I wouldn't have eaten it.
Speaker 2: But let's say, like a bushroom a long mushroom salad,
Speaker 2: like stringy kind of mushroom noodles. So one of the
Speaker 2: people at the dinner takes their chopsticks, it takes the
Speaker 2: commutal bowl of the mushroom salad, stands over everything, starts
Speaker 2: picking it up, puts it in their mouth, bites it
Speaker 2: and let let's the bit didn't drop off and just
Speaker 2: puts it And that was that.
Speaker 3: What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 6: Did anybody say anything?
Speaker 1: I was?
Speaker 2: I was the last minute and these are not my people.
Speaker 1: Oh you're not not not your circus, not your monkeys.
Speaker 1: That's fucking crazy. I'm just talking about it on that
Speaker 1: that's so I've never seen anything like that's so crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Ill, that's really feld in a big
Speaker 1: group dinner.
Speaker 3: Oh yuck, yuck, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I can't eat anything today, so this dinner talk is
Speaker 1: making me hungry.
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I'm prepping for a colonoscopy tomorrow, and wow, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be fun day for me.
Speaker 2: I have to I'm not getting knocked out on drugs
Speaker 2: as fun Tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I get knocked out on the drugs today.
Speaker 1: I have to literally drink a full gate, like four
Speaker 1: gallons of a potion that's gonna make me die.
Speaker 3: So I'm not.
Speaker 1: Really that pumped. But I also can't eat anything all day,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna feel light as a feather tomorrow. We're
Speaker 1: in the time machine a little bit. This episode's coming
Speaker 1: out before after right after the finale of drag Races,
Speaker 1: so if you watch drag Race, you already know who wins.
Speaker 1: But I'm still shook but happy with how the last
Speaker 1: elimination went. I was done. I was done with Susie too.
Speaker 1: I needed her to I needed her to Charleston right
Speaker 1: off the stage.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 3: I liked her.
Speaker 1: I thought she was talented, she was good at some
Speaker 1: of the first stuff, but like, would I go pay
Speaker 1: money to go see a Susie two show?
Speaker 2: Not really? No, And you know, she's young, and I
Speaker 2: think she's like seeing her errors, like I think watching
Speaker 2: it the interviews and stuff I've seen, and she seems
Speaker 2: pretty like self aware of I just have, but I
Speaker 2: just it really irks me. Sasha Valor did this too.
Speaker 2: I just hate queens who think they are smarter and
Speaker 2: better than other queens because they're pretentious. Yeah, none of
Speaker 2: you are smarter and more cerebral than like a lot
Speaker 2: of these fucking queens. So I don't like that attitude
Speaker 2: of like, what's your biggest flow going? I'm too unique,
Speaker 2: I'm too smart. I don't want to be too smart
Speaker 2: for these peasants, Like you're not smarter than RuPaul, no
Speaker 2: matter how you whatever affectation you want to speak with,
Speaker 2: right and smart's.
Speaker 1: Come in various different ways, Like there's different your references.
Speaker 1: Just because you have references to things doesn't make you
Speaker 1: the smartest person you know.
Speaker 2: No, And it's also your willingness to like grow, change,
Speaker 2: like take notes like she does it.
Speaker 3: She could take a note to save her life. I know,
Speaker 3: And but I was surprised.
Speaker 1: I have not seen on the show in a very
Speaker 1: long time, and I'm trying to even struggle to think
Speaker 1: of when there has been somebody who's been doing so
Speaker 1: so so well, and then at right before the finale
Speaker 1: they get cut, Like I haven't seen that in a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you know, like someone who has that
Speaker 3: many wins.
Speaker 1: And is like but then it's like you self are
Speaker 1: saying that you're dominating this competition, like.
Speaker 2: Come on, girl, Like well no, and you know, like
Speaker 2: Bob and Bunett I feel or like whatever.
Speaker 3: YouTube by watch it was.
Speaker 2: Like everyone keeps being like, oh my god, Susie's the
Speaker 2: front runner, and it's like Anna nervous.
Speaker 3: Anya is the front runner.
Speaker 2: I want viar, but it's like she's it's not even
Speaker 2: our opinion. She's won four or five challenges, she's at
Speaker 2: the top. She only lipsticked once, and like it was yeah,
Speaker 2: Naomi Small's had a really good opinion on that. On
Speaker 2: your Race Chaser, she was like, you used to have
Speaker 2: to make your twins outfit. Now people just bring something,
Speaker 2: you know, the coats like, and they help bring it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it works.
Speaker 2: And it's like they focus too much on that because
Speaker 2: even without the coat, like those dresses that aren't, it's
Speaker 2: like such a detachment from everything else she's done, which
Speaker 2: is like really like black culture vibes. So like, yeah,
Speaker 2: while you're while the twin, But I guess you don't
Speaker 2: know who you're gonna be making over.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I liked it that you
Speaker 3: have you used to have to make.
Speaker 2: Those and that she said yeah to better creativity instead
Speaker 2: of like this will work.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I also think Jewels Sparkles has kind of come from
Speaker 1: behind yeap o fun.
Speaker 2: She had an air of fun. She was good and competitive,
Speaker 2: but didn't take it like seriously. It's it's been fun.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I went back into my into
Speaker 1: the thing. I was googling last night. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if a Latina has ever won Wow,
Speaker 1: so Jewels could be up there too.
Speaker 3: I don't think Sam will win.
Speaker 2: And Sam did also have outerwear and did lose the
Speaker 2: lip sync for me, so I don't know.
Speaker 3: I yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to see Susie go Sam is more entertaining
Speaker 2: to watch for me. Yeah, but if we're talking like
Speaker 2: Susie had a better runway had a better lipsync, I.
Speaker 1: Do kind of feel like it's between I do like
Speaker 1: Lexi a lot, but I sort of feel like it's
Speaker 1: between uh Anya and Jewels.
Speaker 2: For the family loses, it's her fault, like it's oddious
Speaker 2: to lose. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens. But
Speaker 2: she's already one. Hopefully she goes for being a cook,
Speaker 2: so being you know, a performer, full time performer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to watch.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to watch just on TV because apparently
Speaker 1: Sarah Sota, Florida does not have a gay scene. Everyone's
Speaker 1: telling me I got to drive to Tampa or Saint
Speaker 1: Pete Beach and I simply don't have time to do that.
Speaker 1: But I will be watching, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see what happens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good TV, Good TV. You know, I'm soaking it
Speaker 2: all in until the drought of the summer.
Speaker 1: All right, should we get started? I think so let's
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Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are doing the episode Underbelly from season eight.
Speaker 1: It's episode seven. This baby came out in two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. This is an episode that I've seen, like,
Speaker 1: it's just one of the ones I think of is
Speaker 1: I've seen the most times, Like I've seen it so
Speaker 1: many times, and this like the girl in it, like everybody,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, Like I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just I wouldn't say it's like a favorite or anything
Speaker 1: because it's obviously very dark, but I've just seen it
Speaker 1: a lot, so I knew.
Speaker 2: And not to give it much away, it's the tattoos.
Speaker 2: Like the tattoo is definitely the calling card of this episode,
Speaker 2: but I don't seen it in forever.
Speaker 1: Are these storylines make me sad? I know, I know
Speaker 1: it's awful, but you know, but I do.
Speaker 2: Love the time too, of just a night A nice
Speaker 2: one word episode title.
Speaker 1: Yes, Underbelly the underbelly of the Beasts. So this episode
Speaker 1: starts it's nighttime where probably like on the west Side
Speaker 1: Highway area where boats are, but we could be on
Speaker 1: these river too. I guess a bunch of drunk teens
Speaker 1: are getting off a boat. It's probably like their prom
Speaker 1: or something or homecoming, I don't know. They are wearing
Speaker 1: suits or tuxedos. And one guy's like that party sucked,
Speaker 1: and the other guy's like the party ruled. And the
Speaker 1: pessimist is like pissed that he didn't get laid, and
Speaker 1: the optimist is like, Becky Morgan's parents are an aspens,
Speaker 1: so there's still time. And then the other guy's like
Speaker 1: sick because all he cares about is getting laid. So
Speaker 1: then he goes to piss off the dock and into
Speaker 1: the river when uh, oh, there is a floating dead
Speaker 1: body there. So not exactly gonna get you excited to
Speaker 1: hook up later that night that you found a dead
Speaker 1: body after your school dance. So we cut to the
Speaker 1: body out of the water now with a sarcastic comment
Speaker 1: from Stabler overlaid, where he's like, oh, did they really
Speaker 1: did a number on this girl?
Speaker 3: And this girl is fourteen years old?
Speaker 1: Tops Melinda says cause of death is the old BFT
Speaker 1: blunt force trauma.
Speaker 3: Beck is with Stabler. I forgot it's a beckup.
Speaker 2: I it just like it sucks because do I love
Speaker 2: Connie Nielsen Shore the moment I see this bitch, I'm pissed.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Matt, Yeah, And this is the episod.
Speaker 1: This is like an episode of Complicated Feelings.
Speaker 3: Does a good job.
Speaker 2: I just like I the hate I have for Beck
Speaker 2: is insane. I know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's probably why I don't watch this episode.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I that's true. I mean, I it's funny.
Speaker 1: I think of this as like an old school episode
Speaker 1: I guess season eight, but like, yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: Beck but.
Speaker 3: Yeah it's wild.
Speaker 1: And she asks like, oh, did the girl fall off
Speaker 1: the boat? But Melinda's like, well, she's been in the
Speaker 1: river at least two weeks. The cold water has kept
Speaker 1: her like very preserved, like she has not decomposed a
Speaker 1: lot depending on the current. We just did an episode
Speaker 1: about currents and bodies being found in water. But depending
Speaker 1: on the current, she could have really been dumped anywhere
Speaker 1: in the Five boroughs because if she's been floating around
Speaker 1: for two weeks, like you know, it's sort of wild
Speaker 1: that nobody would have seen her. There's a lot of boats,
Speaker 1: there's people. I mean, I don't know, it's it's crazy.
Speaker 1: But Melinda comments, another one raped, beaten and thrown away
Speaker 1: like garbage. And they're like, wait, Melinda, are you doing
Speaker 1: our job for us? Like is this a pattern? And
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, check out this tattoo on her lower back.
Speaker 3: It's a dog paprint. It's very blues clues.
Speaker 1: And she's the third rape homicide victim with that tattoo
Speaker 1: in six months. The other two they're like, why have
Speaker 1: we heard about this? And it's because the other two
Speaker 1: were not in Manhattan. Sandra Garner sixteen, a runaway from Wichitah,
Speaker 1: was jumped dumped in a junkyard in the South Bronx.
Speaker 1: And then another victim is still unidentified. Her body was
Speaker 1: found in the weeds by Newtown Creek, which I had
Speaker 1: to google and it like runs along the Brooklyn Queen's border.
Speaker 1: And the autopsies for those victims showed a ton of brutality,
Speaker 1: multiple skull fractures, but no weapon in print. So whoever
Speaker 1: did this did it with their fists. Melinda says that
Speaker 1: tattoo is a death sentence, and then close up on
Speaker 1: Stabler looking affected, close up on Beck looking affected and credits. Okay,
Speaker 1: these two are concerned. Back at the precinct, Ben tells
Speaker 1: them that the tattoo is not gang inc I mean,
Speaker 1: I duh, I don't think any gang is Like get
Speaker 1: a puppy pap print, you know, and no one with
Speaker 1: that tattoo has been arrested. Munch thinks Munch with like
Speaker 1: maybe the dumbest Munch take of all time goes. It
Speaker 1: could be something totally vanilla, like they like Snoopy or
Speaker 1: they want to go to Yale, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: they're a detective. Yeah, you think that many fourteen year
Speaker 1: old girls are, like it's Yale for me.
Speaker 3: Put it on a tramp stamp, like so crazy.
Speaker 1: I think he just wants to show up that he
Speaker 1: like knows that Yale are bulldogs and he knows like
Speaker 1: their fight song. Anyway, Finn suggests maybe a tattoo artist
Speaker 1: could recognize the style. Shockingly, Beck has a tattoo hookup.
Speaker 1: She's like, we should talk to Miguel Alvarez. He does
Speaker 1: great work. Then Beck and Stabler have this flirty moment
Speaker 1: where he's like begging to see her tattoo and she
Speaker 1: won't show it, and he's like, I'll show you mine,
Speaker 1: and he's like, it's like, yeah, stabler, everyone and their
Speaker 1: mom has seen like your Jesus on the Cross tats,
Speaker 1: Like your tats are out there, and Beck's like, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a fair trade.
Speaker 3: So maybe it's in a sexy place.
Speaker 1: But now we're talking to Miguel and we're at his
Speaker 1: studio and he's like, this is my work, referencing.
Speaker 3: This woman who's getting a full back.
Speaker 1: Piece of a tiger on her back, and he's like insulted.
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, if you show me the Mona Lisa,
Speaker 1: I can tell you it's Da Vinci.
Speaker 3: But like you're asking if you drew a stick figure.
Speaker 2: This story line, this little side quest is the craziest
Speaker 2: thing ever. It's one of the worst tattoos ever, the
Speaker 2: most simple. And they are going that tiger that they
Speaker 2: walk in on that's like a multi day it was.
Speaker 3: It's like, ah, this was so silly to me.
Speaker 2: This was a Philly is When they go, I have
Speaker 2: a friend at this exact department that owes me a favor,
Speaker 2: you know, I just write it bothers me.
Speaker 1: And he's like this guy's like insulted. He's like, anyone
Speaker 1: could do this, dippy little pot print, Like what the
Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about? And then he's like They're
Speaker 1: like they see a sign or something that says like,
Speaker 1: you know, must provide ID, and they're like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you ever tattoo anyone underage? And he's like again, I'm
Speaker 1: a fucking artist, like I don't do that. I get ID,
Speaker 1: I keep it on file. But he of course does
Speaker 1: know of this one guy in Brooklyn. He knows his
Speaker 1: name exactly. It's Lenny Culp. He's an ex con who
Speaker 1: learned how to tattoo in prison and he can't get
Speaker 1: a license because of his record. So they go pay
Speaker 1: Lenny a visit and he's tattooing a very young looking
Speaker 1: kid and Lenny shows that this is like.
Speaker 3: A Bart Simpson moment. This is from early Simpsons.
Speaker 2: I can't believe they did this, And I wonder if
Speaker 2: there was a Simpsons.
Speaker 1: Why does Bart get a tattoo and he has he
Speaker 1: fakes a note.
Speaker 2: No, it's not about the note, it's like the heart
Speaker 2: and it's Emma like mo, well he has moth and
Speaker 2: mother isn't finished.
Speaker 3: When Marge grabs him. It's it ends up being a
Speaker 3: heart that says.
Speaker 2: Moth, and they have to spend like their savings getting
Speaker 2: it removed. But this it was supposed to be mom,
Speaker 2: and they made him go home at moh gotcha?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that like straight out of Assassins.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I one time added my name to
Speaker 1: a friend's mom's note to get a second ear piercing.
Speaker 1: So I've never actually forged the note, but I've put
Speaker 1: my name in and pretended I was someone's sister. I
Speaker 1: let that whole close up very quickly. It was all
Speaker 1: for not But Lenny is like, yeah, here's the boy's note,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, uh, Dicky did a better job forging
Speaker 1: my signature when he was eight, so this is actually
Speaker 1: pathetic that you would accept this. The kid is yeah,
Speaker 1: like in the middle of getting an old timey sailor
Speaker 1: tattoo that says mom, they interrupt, like Lisa said, and
Speaker 1: now he has to get lost with his mow tattoo.
Speaker 1: So they slap down a picture of the dead girls
Speaker 1: and they tell Lenny keep in mind, you just tattoo
Speaker 1: a minor, which is illegal and a parole violation, and
Speaker 1: he's like Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Did all their tattoos.
Speaker 1: It's just funny to me that this professional man in
Speaker 1: Manhattan knew exactly who in Brooklyn would do this, Like
Speaker 1: it's a I mean, I know, it's a TV show.
Speaker 1: We got to get from A to B, but it's
Speaker 1: like wild. He's like, all right, I did them, but
Speaker 1: they told me they were eighteen. They told me they
Speaker 1: were over eighteen. They said they were college cheerleaders. And
Speaker 1: then he has a picture of them that I guess
Speaker 1: what they sent him after they got the tattoos, or
Speaker 1: he took it, I don't know, but it's a picture
Speaker 1: of the three girls like kind of up against a fence.
Speaker 1: They're turned around showing their tattoos, which are all in
Speaker 1: the lower back tramp stamp area, and the girl that
Speaker 1: they just pulled out of the river is in the
Speaker 1: photo and she's wearing a shirt that says Saint Ambrose.
Speaker 1: So obviously Stabler probably knows exactly where that is because
Speaker 1: it's a Catholic school. And they zoom straight to figuring
Speaker 1: out who this girl is, and her name is Chantal,
Speaker 1: and they're watching a whole movie of Chantal cheering, and
Speaker 1: her foster mom is watching the video showing it to them,
Speaker 1: crying to about how much Chantal loves Saint Ambrose, and
Speaker 1: Stabler is shocked that this foster mom was paying Catholic
Speaker 1: school tuition, but she's like, I wanted her to have
Speaker 1: every advantage. That's a very wonderful foster parent because you know,
Speaker 1: they get money, but I don't think of many of
Speaker 1: them as providing private school educations. But right before tryouts,
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, did she make the team? And
Speaker 1: she's like, well, right before tryouts, Acs sent her back
Speaker 1: to quote what she says that no good mother of hers,
Speaker 1: and she explains that Chantal's birth mom was a crack
Speaker 1: addict she had when Chantal was a baby, she was
Speaker 1: taken away. She came to this woman in foster care
Speaker 1: at age eight, and this woman wanted to adopt her,
Speaker 1: so she from eight to fourteen, she's with this woman.
Speaker 1: I would have assumed she could have adopted her quicker
Speaker 1: than that, but she Acs said, then at oh, her
Speaker 1: mom cleaned up and wanted her back, and the foster
Speaker 1: mom thinks whatever, she just wants the welfare check or
Speaker 1: like the check for you know, having more dependence.
Speaker 2: Like well, because on this podcast, we do take a
Speaker 2: stance that reuniting is the top goal, but not when
Speaker 2: you meet this bitch, not when.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that exact same thing, Like.
Speaker 2: This is one of the worst. This is one of
Speaker 2: the Yeah, I mean I want to strangle this woman.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how the detectives did because the
Speaker 2: kids were probably there. I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 2: they didn't try to fuck with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm a my work in cos sets like
Speaker 1: we always are are working towards reunification. This woman would
Speaker 1: not have passed a like a check, I don't think,
Speaker 1: but maybe she was, you know, faking it to try
Speaker 1: to get her back. And it's really sad this story,
Speaker 1: Like this poor foster mom is like I wanted to
Speaker 1: fight with her, but my lawyer basically told me, like
Speaker 1: I it was no use, like the bio parents have rights,
Speaker 1: like there was nothing I could do. So I think
Speaker 1: that's like a heartbreaking part of being a foster parent.
Speaker 1: But this woman seems like an exceptional foster parent and
Speaker 1: I hope she gets to adopt someone. So now they're
Speaker 1: walking and talking with Ronda, who is Sean Tal's biological mom.
Speaker 1: She is pushing a baby stroller and she's got another
Speaker 1: kid who's on a scooter. She is bad mouthing Chantal, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, they just told her is dead and going.
Speaker 3: She was trouble.
Speaker 1: I told her she told her school that my boyfriend
Speaker 1: was touching on her and ACS wanted to kick wanted
Speaker 1: me to kick him out, and I wasn't going to
Speaker 1: kick him out, and like, it's so crazy, how bad
Speaker 1: this woman is. The story gets interrupted by Stabler, who
Speaker 1: heroically saves the song, and as he's about to scoot
Speaker 1: into traffic, the mom doesn't even flinch, like they specifically
Speaker 1: go to her reaction and she's like, what's up, Like
Speaker 1: did something happen? And then she tells them, yeah, they
Speaker 1: wanted me to kick my boyfriend out, and I was like,
Speaker 1: no way, So I told ACS to just take Chantal
Speaker 1: again instead of kicking her boyfriend out, and which is crazy,
Speaker 1: and I do. I would say though, that like Akasa
Speaker 1: or some kind of social worker would look into putting
Speaker 1: her back with her original foster mom who loved her
Speaker 1: so much. If this is what's happening, if she's sending
Speaker 1: her back to ACS, it's like, okay, go back to
Speaker 1: this good home that you have. But Unfortunately, Chantal goes
Speaker 1: to a group home and then she asks if that
Speaker 1: place help her get killed, you think I got a
Speaker 1: lawsuit on my hands. And Beck is disgusted with this
Speaker 1: woman and she's like, that's what you want. All you
Speaker 1: care about is making a dime off your dead daughter,
Speaker 1: and Ronda goes, bitch, get out of my face, and
Speaker 1: it's a lot. Stabler's like, everybody needs to chill out,
Speaker 1: and then he asks the name of the home she tells.
Speaker 1: Ronda tells them that it's Broder House on Fountain Avenue,
Speaker 1: and Stabler and Beck walk away and he's like, look,
Speaker 1: I know you want a smack her, but it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. And that's like I just can't believe they're
Speaker 1: just walking away, Like I just can't believe, like this,
Speaker 1: nothing's going to happen to this woman.
Speaker 3: But you know, what are you gonna do? You can't
Speaker 3: win them all.
Speaker 1: At the group home, there is a man telling them
Speaker 1: that Chantel vayner a wald a few weeks after she
Speaker 1: got there, which is you know, a military term absent
Speaker 1: without leaving. But it's like anytime kids leave their group homes,
Speaker 1: it's a walling. They can be gone for four hours.
Speaker 1: They can be gone for five weeks, you know, and
Speaker 1: a lot of time that like I've talked about this before,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times that's what adds to like
Speaker 1: the nickmic when they have like the like the number
Speaker 1: of kids who are quote unquote missing or exploited. A
Speaker 1: lot of times it's just kids that one went a wall.
Speaker 1: It's like a kid is like I don't want to
Speaker 1: go to school, I'm gonna go to the park for
Speaker 1: a few hours. They get reported missing, and that goes
Speaker 1: into statistics of missing children, even though many times they
Speaker 1: come home or you know, so it's just like you know,
Speaker 1: an interesting Definitely, there are still tons of kids that
Speaker 1: are missing all the time, but a lot of times
Speaker 1: those numbers are inflated from just kids in the system
Speaker 1: who are not where they're supposed to be at one
Speaker 1: given time. And so beck is pissed at this group
Speaker 1: home leader guy and she's like, you didn't even go
Speaker 1: look for her, And he's like, we don't have the
Speaker 1: manpower to do that, which they don't. I have worked
Speaker 1: with several group group homes, like they have such small staffs,
Speaker 1: like they cannot go find anyone who goes who leaves.
Speaker 1: He explains, hundreds of these girls take off. We file
Speaker 1: the missing persons report, and we sent a registered letter
Speaker 1: to the family, and Stabler goes, well, the mom never
Speaker 1: got it, and he's like, well, she probably threw it
Speaker 1: away with her unpaid bills. And he's probably not wrong.
Speaker 1: This woman is not checking the mail. I don't think
Speaker 1: beck is giving this guy more shit going. This girl
Speaker 1: needed your help and now she's dead. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: most of them run away to be with a boyfriend, Like,
Speaker 1: why don't you ask some of the other girls that
Speaker 1: are here. So now we're popping around to a bunch
Speaker 1: of different convos with these girls. One girl is telling
Speaker 1: Stabler like, you know, guys hang around the group home
Speaker 1: and then we kick it outside. And then Stabler goes,
Speaker 1: chantale ever kick it with anyone? And casey, if we can,
Speaker 1: I would love to include that is a quote because
Speaker 1: the way he says it is so funny.
Speaker 6: You know how it is?
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell me how it is?
Speaker 1: Boys come by, we kick it outside, Chantelle ever kick
Speaker 1: it with anyone? You know, he's trying to be a
Speaker 1: hip Stabler and I always enjoy that her and this
Speaker 1: other girl are telling them about Victor. He's this guy
Speaker 1: with a tricked out suv. He'd buy Chantelle chips and soda.
Speaker 1: Another girl is continuing the story. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted her to run off with him. He said
Speaker 1: he'd buy her anything she wanted, clothes, jewelry, but she
Speaker 1: told Chantale to trust him because they're all the same.
Speaker 1: And Beck goes boys and the girl goes pimps, like hello,
Speaker 1: open your eyes, like this is not like a boy
Speaker 1: with a full suv in New York City who's offering
Speaker 1: to buy you jewelry clothes, And she goes Chantale ran
Speaker 1: off to be his hoe, So we're not this is
Speaker 1: not looking like a great situation. Back at the precinct
Speaker 1: late at night and Beck is just there watching the
Speaker 1: Chantal cheerleading video over it much.
Speaker 2: I guess it's not a Snoopy support group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like, but they're definitely trying to always get
Speaker 1: it on our heads that like this job is too
Speaker 1: much for Beck, like she can't. She takes every case
Speaker 1: so fucking personally, and this is her second to last episode.
Speaker 1: But Beck's like, I just can't sleep right now, knowing
Speaker 1: that some like child sex workers get about to get
Speaker 1: beaten to death by a psycho John and Stablers are like, well,
Speaker 1: like this will help you sleep.
Speaker 3: Do you know how many Sean tall's there are?
Speaker 1: And like she's like we should just get out there,
Speaker 1: we should go, like go figure it out. And Stable's like,
Speaker 1: where where should we go? Did you check with Vice
Speaker 1: about where the baby hooker stroll? He asks her, and
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I did the legwork, so I know
Speaker 1: where they are. And the main area for like the
Speaker 1: younger sex workers is East New York, which is a
Speaker 1: neighborhood in Brooklyn. It's kind of out by JFK, like
Speaker 1: where you rent a car Howard Beach. And he says,
Speaker 1: I talked to Vice and we set up a sting
Speaker 1: for tomorrow night. So he's done everything that you know,
Speaker 1: because he's been in this unit for so long and whatever.
Speaker 1: And then he tells Danny like you can't get over
Speaker 1: involved in these cases, like every single one of them
Speaker 1: will break your heart. And then she's like, can we
Speaker 1: please go tonight and Stabler's like, of course, you're hot,
Speaker 1: and I'm um horny for you. So they go and
Speaker 1: now they're sitting in a dark van watching like young
Speaker 1: teen girls try to like get dates with John's and
Speaker 1: Stabler of course makes a comment, They're like my daughter's age,
Speaker 1: you know, everything has to go back to his daughters.
Speaker 3: And Beck is like itching.
Speaker 1: To get out of the car and question these girls,
Speaker 1: but Stabler is like hold tight, like you gotta find
Speaker 1: the killer. But she's like a dumb bitch who always
Speaker 1: jumps the gun. So she starts to get out, and
Speaker 1: Stabler alerts with other units, and I guess the whole
Speaker 1: sting is just he moved it up to.
Speaker 3: Tonight because that's what Beck wanted.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe they were just going off to do
Speaker 1: their own thing, but no, it's a whole group of
Speaker 1: people vices.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: A bunch of cop callers roll up on these girls,
Speaker 1: their sirens blazing. They make all the girls stand up
Speaker 1: against the wall. They flash them pictures of the tattoo
Speaker 1: girls from the photos, and none of them are saying
Speaker 1: anything like none of them Nope, sorry, don't know her,
Speaker 1: don't know her. And then Beck makes them all turn
Speaker 1: around and starts lifting up all their shirts and checking
Speaker 1: for their lower blues clues tattoos, and they find one
Speaker 1: on this young girl and she steps out of line
Speaker 1: and they're like, what's your name, and she's like passion,
Speaker 1: which I think is like such a is so funny,
Speaker 1: and then that tells her, yeah, like come on, Beck
Speaker 1: tells her, why don't you cut the shit and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: my name's Belinda Holt and she says she doesn't know
Speaker 1: the girls in the picture and Stabler's like, oh really,
Speaker 1: because they have that same tattoo you have and now
Speaker 1: they're all dead and she's like, no, they're not dead.
Speaker 3: They got they got adopted.
Speaker 1: So now we've got Belinda in I don't even know
Speaker 1: if we're in wood room blinds because there are no
Speaker 1: lights on, like it is simply the lights are turned off.
Speaker 3: It's the darkest room of all time.
Speaker 1: There's like a flashlight on this girl practically, and she's
Speaker 1: arguing with them about the girls being dead, and they're like,
Speaker 1: the girls are dead and she's like, you cops are
Speaker 1: so dumb and you're lying to me. And Beck's like, okay, cool, fine,
Speaker 1: you want to see the autopsy photos. So you know,
Speaker 1: she's done being sensitive to this girl at all, even
Speaker 1: though ten minutes ago she was like I can't sleep
Speaker 1: knowing these baby sex workers, and now she's like, you
Speaker 1: want to see your dead friends and she slaps the
Speaker 1: photos on the ground on the table. She won't even
Speaker 1: look at them. Belinda's like, I only want to talk
Speaker 1: to Victor. He's my boyfriend. I want to talk to Victor.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, the guy who pimps you out,
Speaker 1: and she's like, he doesn't make me do anything.
Speaker 3: I love him and.
Speaker 2: We're getting married when I'm old enough. Yikes. It's sad.
Speaker 2: But she, you know, she's in another episode. I'm mis understanding.
Speaker 2: She comes back. She's just like, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: love Belinda. Wait when she comes back, it's she's Belinda again. No, no,
Speaker 2: just like this girl's face. But no, her name is
Speaker 2: Abby Stewart. In the next one, Oh okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: I was like, but she takes to stand. It's like
Speaker 2: another big episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So she looks
Speaker 2: at the photo finally and names all the girls. She's like,
Speaker 2: this is Amber. Her name was Sandra but Victor changed it.
Speaker 2: And then she's like this is Chantal and then Monique,
Speaker 2: and she's like, we're sisters. So we finally have Monique identified.
Speaker 2: We knew about Sandra, but now we know that her
Speaker 2: name on the street was Amber, and she's like, they
Speaker 2: all got adopted by this rich guy and it's just
Speaker 2: like my favorite movie, Pretty Woman.
Speaker 3: She's like, I've watched the DVD so many times.
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, I never really thought that Pretty Woman
Speaker 1: was going to be like the kind of movie that
Speaker 1: influenced a younger generation to want what's in that movie?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: But there we are, there we have it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it doesn't look great when George from Seinfeld
Speaker 1: is trying to attack her, but anyway, she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: this rich guy comes and he picks a girl and
Speaker 1: if he likes Sree takes her away to live with him.
Speaker 1: I dated him once, but he didn't pick me. And
Speaker 1: Stabler asks, oh, well does this guy hit you and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, he spanked me, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of guys are into that. And then suddenly Beck that
Speaker 1: softens Beck up. She's like, I'm gonna give her my jacket.
Speaker 1: So she gives Belinda her jacket and asks for more
Speaker 1: details on the Richard Gear character, and she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's old and white but still kind of cute. And
Speaker 1: Amber looked in his wall at once and said that
Speaker 1: his name is Blake and he drives a big black
Speaker 1: Mercedes Benz sub. When Chantal got adopted, Victor said she
Speaker 1: was living on Fifth Avenue. So details, details, details, Finn
Speaker 1: is doing the DMV deep dive. Okay, nineteen white guys
Speaker 1: named Blake as either their first or the last name
Speaker 1: with Mercedes SUVs. Four of them are on Fifth Avenue,
Speaker 1: and one of them has a ha bit of beating
Speaker 1: on women. We got Blake Peters, forty five years old
Speaker 1: old man. As she described him, she's like ew nasty,
Speaker 1: old white dying man, forty five and he is a
Speaker 1: managing one.
Speaker 2: That's like a I think that's like an interesting creative
Speaker 2: choice because it shows how fucking young she is. Yes, yes, absolutely,
Speaker 2: but she thinks that's like an ancient old man.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And she she.
Speaker 3: Looks fifteen to me.
Speaker 1: I mean she's so young looking, this girl, like they
Speaker 1: got the perfect actress for this.
Speaker 3: She just has like a baby face.
Speaker 1: So he's a managing partner at a white shoe law firm,
Speaker 1: this guy, Blake Peters, and he has a bunch of
Speaker 1: domestic violence complaints from his ex wife, but they were
Speaker 1: all dismissed with anger management courses or whatever. And Finn
Speaker 1: Goes always knew those were a croc. It's like, thank you, finn.
Speaker 1: I don't think anger management maybe the first time. If
Speaker 1: there's multiple, like domestic violence things, you have to go
Speaker 1: to jail for a little bit.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: It's also annoying because, and we've mentioned this before, it's
Speaker 2: like I wonder why they'll get violent at work?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know friends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like weird that it's such a you know,
Speaker 2: you need a it's anger management. Yet you know how
Speaker 2: to manage it perfectly at your home, right, at your job.
Speaker 2: You never punch a judge. You're a lawyer.
Speaker 1: You never punch a judge in the face. Right, But
Speaker 1: a woman, no problem. Your wife got it. So they
Speaker 1: pull up a bunch of articles on this guy. He
Speaker 1: likes tennis, polo, water sports, Like, we get it. He's
Speaker 1: rich and he's remarried from the wife that he used
Speaker 1: to beat and now his new wife looks barely legal,
Speaker 1: they say. So they shot to the apartment and this
Speaker 1: woman answers the door and she's like, did something happen
Speaker 1: to Blake? And then they feed her some bullshit like oh,
Speaker 1: we need to talk to him, and like it's about
Speaker 1: a client. It's a major client, so we need you
Speaker 1: to be discreet whatever, and she's like whatever, it's always something.
Speaker 1: He's at the office like she seems like she is.
Speaker 1: There's trouble in paradise there. She does not like this marriage,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. When they go to the law firm,
Speaker 1: there's an associate there. He's like a young, cute black guy,
Speaker 1: and he's like, you got to be kidding me. The
Speaker 1: partners being here right now, they're all out of here
Speaker 1: by happy hour. And then Finn tries to talk to
Speaker 1: this guy like black man, a black man and calls
Speaker 1: him brother, but he does not give a shit, and
Speaker 1: he goes, if I don't get my job done, I'm
Speaker 1: on the streets, sorry, brother, and Munch goes, guess the
Speaker 1: only color he cares about is green. So I would
Speaker 1: say nine times out of ten it works when Finn
Speaker 1: is like just like relating to a guy like listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to jam you up on the weed.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to jam you up about your gun charge,
Speaker 1: Like I just want to know where the girl is,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So, but this time he struck out.
Speaker 1: This white shoe associate not having it, does not want
Speaker 1: to bond with Finn his loss.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Finn calls Stabler and is like, yo, we're struck striking
Speaker 1: out at his work, Like we don't know where this
Speaker 1: guy is. Beck looks up his credit card and is like,
Speaker 1: all right, well let's find out where he's been charging.
Speaker 1: So now we're at the Wallace Inn where mister Peters
Speaker 1: checked in two hours ago, and the guy working at
Speaker 1: the hotel is like, oh yeah with missus Peters, very
Speaker 1: pretty and very young, and the employee is really nervous
Speaker 1: to let them into the room until Stabler's like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I could shut this whole place down for prostitution,
Speaker 1: so whatever you want to do. And the guy's like okay,
Speaker 1: here's like literally the keys to the entire place. And
Speaker 1: the guy tells Peters knock knock, knock, like you have
Speaker 1: to come out, sir, there's a problem with your card.
Speaker 1: And then the guy opens the door and he's like
Speaker 1: just gonna throw money at the cash at the guy.
Speaker 1: Stabler grabs him, and then as Beck mirandizes him, she
Speaker 1: looks at the young girl who's in the room on
Speaker 1: the bed like frantically buttoning her shirt and like getting
Speaker 1: getting dressed. Okay, And so now we're walking into the
Speaker 1: precinct with this girl, and she's telling Beck, like, am
Speaker 1: your exner?
Speaker 2: Right? Yes?
Speaker 1: She is an the episode, she's Candy, but she's played
Speaker 1: by Constance Wu and this is one of her first gigs.
Speaker 1: You know, it's twenty, it's two thousand and six. She
Speaker 1: this is like literally at the bottom of her IMDb
Speaker 1: so's I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, it's just because I know when I think about
Speaker 2: guest stars, her face doesn't come to my brain.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't really think of her as like an SVU moment,
Speaker 2: but a fun one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a fun stuff role. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I can't really tell it's a confusing role because
Speaker 1: she's saying, I'm nineteen. I swear I go to Manhattan Tech.
Speaker 1: I work at a restaurant and that's where I met Blake.
Speaker 1: She's like, I saw he had a wedding ring on,
Speaker 1: but I wanted to party. It's no big deal. And
Speaker 1: Beck's like it was to the girls he killed. So
Speaker 1: that's the last time we see Candy. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's actually nineteen because she shows an ID and
Speaker 1: it's kind of ballsy to show the cops of fake ID,
Speaker 1: but like, she shows an ID and like, I think
Speaker 1: the bottom line is she is nineteen, but she is
Speaker 1: doing sex work, and.
Speaker 2: So she also is like in school and has another
Speaker 2: day job, like it seems like she's doing it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's really she's really trying to get through
Speaker 1: Manhattan Tech, you know. But now we cut to Blake
Speaker 1: telling Stabler I didn't kill anyone, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's up with your knuckles, like because they had said,
Speaker 1: like Melinda had said earlier, like look for this guy
Speaker 1: to have like really fucked up knuckles because he's beating
Speaker 1: these girls to death, like with his fists. So the
Speaker 1: guy goes, well, no, I do a lot of work
Speaker 1: on my car. I've got a seventy two Ferrari Daytona spider,
Speaker 1: and nobody touches my baby but me, I mean, I
Speaker 1: hate this man.
Speaker 3: But Stabler starts laying into.
Speaker 1: Him on like like oh, yeah, you just pick up
Speaker 1: underage sex workers and then you beat the shit out
Speaker 1: of them or whatever. And he's like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: hurt these girls and they love it, and Stabler's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're paying them, dumb ass. They're gonna say that they
Speaker 1: love whatever you want them to say. And then Stabler
Speaker 1: shows Peter's the autopsy pictures and he's painting the pictures
Speaker 1: Stabler style, like this is what you do. You use
Speaker 1: them and then you beat them and throw them away.
Speaker 1: And then the guy starts gagging and throws up in
Speaker 1: the trash. And this is like a classic perp throwing
Speaker 1: up scene that I always remember for some reason, Like
Speaker 1: he sees the photos of the girls and he's like,
Speaker 1: oh god, and he starts throwing up. He's like, I
Speaker 1: didn't all those girls. I swear I wanted to help
Speaker 1: get them off the street. I told Amber I wanted
Speaker 1: to help her, but Victor threatened to beat my ass
Speaker 1: if I ever snatch one of his girls again. So now, basically,
Speaker 1: if you want to fool Benson and Stabler or anybody
Speaker 1: in this precinc you have to throw up when they
Speaker 1: accuse you of something, Like if you throw up, they're
Speaker 1: always like, I don't know, I don't think this.
Speaker 2: Guy did any puked.
Speaker 1: You know, they never think like if you piss your
Speaker 1: pants or you puke, they think you're innocent.
Speaker 3: So who should walk in?
Speaker 1: While Stabler is talking to Peters, but Benson comes strolling
Speaker 1: into the precinct. She looks beautiful scub bangs and she
Speaker 1: finds Danny Beck sitting at her desk right across from Stabler,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm looking for Detective Stabler. And Beck's like,
Speaker 1: he's an interrogation. Maybe I can help you. I'm his partner,
Speaker 1: Danny Beck. It's it's interesting to be that Beck wouldn't
Speaker 1: know like what live looks like, like there's no pictures.
Speaker 3: Of her anywhere.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyway. Benson is not even interested to Google. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't google, or you didn't look up one article,
Speaker 1: because like we're people.
Speaker 3: They go in two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and eight, when did Google? Really?
Speaker 3: When did the verb question?
Speaker 2: I don't know what? And embarrassed for me?
Speaker 1: Where we ask jeeves ing? Where we ask Jeevesing? In
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, still like what were we doing?
Speaker 3: We were binging? Also people were trying to.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Benson looks a little bit shook when she hears
Speaker 1: the words i'm his partner, and she goes, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go talk to Daddy Craigan, and you could see
Speaker 1: Beck is still not kind of like, wait, how does
Speaker 1: this woman know everybody at the precinct? Like she's not
Speaker 1: really inquisitive here, and she is a detective.
Speaker 2: So it's weird.
Speaker 1: So just to place you in time, this is the
Speaker 1: episode right after Benson's stint undercover as persephone James, the
Speaker 1: episode Infiltrated, which we've covered, where she goes undercover with
Speaker 1: an Eco terrorism unit and she walks into Craigan's office
Speaker 1: and he's like, whoa live, You're back, Like nobody told me.
Speaker 1: I don't have a spot for you. And Benson's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just met the new gal. How's that going? And
Speaker 1: Craigan's like kind of rough at first, but all good now,
Speaker 1: and then he's like, but I can get her out
Speaker 1: of here, It's just going.
Speaker 3: To take some time.
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, Benson's like staring Daggers through the window, watching
Speaker 1: Elliott put his hand on Beck's shoulder and the two
Speaker 1: of them being very flirty. Like the body language between
Speaker 1: them is very different than his body language would live.
Speaker 3: He never came up to Libya while she was at her.
Speaker 1: Desk looking at a file and like put his hands
Speaker 1: on her shoulders. You know, Like, well, he's on a
Speaker 1: break with his wife at the moment too. That's true,
Speaker 1: that's true as well. Yes, yes, let's be clear about
Speaker 1: not like cheating, right, but he's even when he's on
Speaker 1: a break with his wife in later episodes with Benson,
Speaker 1: he's not that the flirty. The flirtiness is different than
Speaker 1: what he has with Beck, you know. And Benson tells Craigan, no, actually,
Speaker 1: don't like, don't shift her out of here, like I'm
Speaker 1: actually not ready to come back, and that's what I
Speaker 1: came to tell you. And he's like, oh, okay, and
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm just going to go now. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're going to leave without seeing Elliott and she's like,
Speaker 1: he's busy, I'll catch up with him later. And also
Speaker 1: don't tell him I was here. It's like, look at
Speaker 1: all these little games, like what are we doing? And
Speaker 1: this is like obviously the fever pitch of when people
Speaker 1: are thinking that these two are going to get together.
Speaker 1: And probably one of the reasons why people hate Beck
Speaker 1: so much is like whether you wanted those two together
Speaker 1: or not. I don't think any of us want Beck
Speaker 1: and Stabler together. But now Stabler's talking to Beck about
Speaker 1: the case, okay, and you know, he's like, I think
Speaker 1: we should change our focus. I think we need to
Speaker 1: move on to Victor. Like the guy in there is
Speaker 1: not a killer. He puked when he saw the pictures,
Speaker 1: and Beck's like, well, that could be fear, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's looking at a life in Attica or whatever. And
Speaker 1: Beck's also kind of like, why would this pimp Victor
Speaker 1: kill his moneymakers?
Speaker 3: And Stabler's like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe they wanted to leave with Blake Peters and Victor
Speaker 1: couldn't let that happen. If you lose control of your stable,
Speaker 1: you're out of business. And Stabler like the way he's
Speaker 1: talking to her, he's like soft talking to her. He's
Speaker 1: not talking in a regular voice. He's like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be it could be this.
Speaker 1: Like he's just really like talking to her in such
Speaker 1: a quiet like, hey, I can actually be really gentle
Speaker 1: in bed if you want that, you know. And so
Speaker 1: it's obviously he has kind of like a crush on her,
Speaker 1: and he's like trust me on this, you know. And
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, boo boo, I'll talk to Belinda and
Speaker 1: find out where this guy lives. And Stabler's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you let me go with you? And she's like no, like,
Speaker 1: let me do it alone. Like trust goes both ways,
Speaker 1: like you have to trust me, you know, like, if
Speaker 1: you want me to trust you on this angle, then
Speaker 1: let trust me to talk to this girl by myself.
Speaker 1: So now Belinda is telling Dan, but I can understand
Speaker 1: why Sabler kind of wants to go with Beck because
Speaker 1: beck is so gets so involved in the case that.
Speaker 3: I feel like, she goes, what are you stupid? Why
Speaker 3: are you working for this pimp?
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't like always take it from like the
Speaker 1: same soft Olivia way. So anyway, Belinda's telling Danny how
Speaker 1: Victor doesn't like the girls to ever talk about his business.
Speaker 1: He gets mad and hits them sometimes if they don't
Speaker 1: work hard enough. One time, she says, Monique got this
Speaker 1: big tip and wanted to keep some of the money
Speaker 1: for a new dress, but Victor found out that he
Speaker 1: was holding she was holding out on him and be
Speaker 1: up so bad that she couldn't work for a week.
Speaker 1: And then there's like a beat, and Belinda's like, I
Speaker 1: miss her so like she misses her friend, you know.
Speaker 3: And she asked if she can.
Speaker 1: Keep the photo of the girls that they've been using,
Speaker 1: you know, of them with their tattoos, because she doesn't
Speaker 1: have any pictures of them. She's like, I always ask
Speaker 1: Victor if I could go see the girls after they
Speaker 1: got adopted, but he told me that they were uptown
Speaker 1: girls now and they didn't want to see her, and
Speaker 1: that I would embarrass them in front of their new
Speaker 1: rich friends. And Beck's like, now you know it's a lie,
Speaker 1: and Belinda goes like she finally gets that they're dead
Speaker 1: and that he basically made up a like they went
Speaker 1: to a farm, basically story for them that you tell
Speaker 1: a child when a dog dies. So a stabler is
Speaker 1: looking through We see then that stabler is looking through
Speaker 1: the window, watching the conversation go on between the two
Speaker 1: of them. So then Beck comes out of the room
Speaker 1: and she is keyed up. She's furious. She's like, you're
Speaker 1: spying on me. I'm not your precious, Olivia, but I'm
Speaker 1: a good cop, and not that I would know what
Speaker 1: she looks like. I've never googled her.
Speaker 2: And she's like, precious Olivia, like, why are you jealous
Speaker 2: of this woman? You didn't even have enough care to
Speaker 2: google it. You said, yeah, it's weird, it's weird to
Speaker 2: take this out on her hate I hate it. R Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so Reelson, what the fuck I know? And then
Speaker 2: he's like, I know you're a good cop. I wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to spy on you. I want to introduce you
Speaker 2: to someone. This is Sister Peg.
Speaker 1: She runs an outreach program for hookers his words, and
Speaker 1: Sister Peg goes sex workers Elliott, which I do feel
Speaker 1: like two thousand and six, that's early, Like this is
Speaker 1: season eight, Like that's early with Sister Peg using the
Speaker 1: right terminology because they keep going on and using hookers.
Speaker 1: They keep going on using other language on this show
Speaker 1: for quite a while before they start using sex worker regularly.
Speaker 1: But Sister Peg was on it from the jump, and
Speaker 1: they're like, we think Sister Peg can help with Belinda.
Speaker 3: So they send Sister Peg in.
Speaker 1: To talk to her, and Beck goes, okay, meanwhile, you
Speaker 1: and I can go pick up Victor.
Speaker 3: Belinda gave me an address.
Speaker 1: She said that he like, you know, he's got this
Speaker 1: woman named Venice who owns the house where Belinda lives,
Speaker 1: and every night Victor waits there to collect all the
Speaker 1: girls money. So now they're at Venice's house and they're
Speaker 1: banging on the door and she's like I'm coming, I'm
Speaker 1: getting my clothes on. It's like stalling or whatever, and
Speaker 1: she's like, do you have a warrant? They do not
Speaker 1: show one. They barge right past her. She did ask
Speaker 1: for a warrant, but they just are like out of
Speaker 1: the way. Beck lays into Venice. She's like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe this, Like he's a man turning out girls, but
Speaker 1: you're a woman helping him do it. You're worse than
Speaker 1: he is. Like she's very upset that her gender plays
Speaker 1: a role like that. She as a woman, would like,
Speaker 1: you know, victimize these young girls. And Beck tells her,
Speaker 1: why don't you sit down? And she won't and then
Speaker 1: she's like sit down and the Venice will not sit down,
Speaker 1: and then she tries another time to kind of like
Speaker 1: push her onto the couch, but Venice does like any
Speaker 1: kind of condition.
Speaker 2: This is actually one of my favorite this scene is
Speaker 2: that's one of my favorites ever. And I think about
Speaker 2: it all the time.
Speaker 3: Best moments.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't sure it was Underbelly, but as soon
Speaker 1: as I saw Venice, I go, oh, my god.
Speaker 3: The guy. I love this.
Speaker 2: You're right, I'd never remember and now I'll remember forever
Speaker 2: what episode it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I always I'm like, because we've tried to
Speaker 1: find other pimps before you know, but this is the
Speaker 1: one where so basically they're like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: I won't this bitch sit on the couch.
Speaker 1: And earlier she said something like don't mess up my
Speaker 1: couch because they started looking for weapons underneath the gu like,
Speaker 1: so we're like, why are you making such gon deal
Speaker 1: about the couch girl.
Speaker 3: So they realize something's up.
Speaker 1: They open up the sofa bed, unroll the sofa bed,
Speaker 1: and who is wrapped up inside Victor okay, and it
Speaker 1: is Michael K. Williams, who is well known for playing
Speaker 1: Omar on the Wire and he's been in tons of
Speaker 1: other things, an award winning actor who sadly and tragically
Speaker 1: died in twenty twenty one after using heroin that was
Speaker 1: laced with fentanels. So we yeah, he's only been gone
Speaker 1: like a few years, but he is like such a
Speaker 1: scary villain in this as well, Like he's so good,
Speaker 1: he's such a good actor, and he just they take
Speaker 1: him off and he just keeps going, call my attorney,
Speaker 1: Call my attorney. He's just telling Dennis, get my lawyer,
Speaker 1: and Beck goes, yeah, tell him the charges murder, three counts.
Speaker 1: So in interrogation, Stabler addresses him as John Victor Bodine
Speaker 1: and like reads off some of his rap sheet, and
Speaker 1: Victor is pretty confident that his lawyer is going to
Speaker 1: show up and he's going to walk right out of there,
Speaker 1: like he's one of these classic purpse like basically kick
Speaker 1: him back, being like, you guys have nothing, I'm going
Speaker 1: to fucking walk here. And Stabler's like, oh, these three girls,
Speaker 1: what's up? You killed them? And he goes, I love
Speaker 1: my girls. Why would I kill those pretty little things?
Speaker 1: And Stabler goes, you got a funny way of showing love,
Speaker 1: making them screw strangers so you can buy your huggy
Speaker 1: bear threads, which is a reference to Starsky and Hutch
Speaker 1: that I had to look up. And he says, I
Speaker 1: never made a woman do anything she didn't want to do.
Speaker 1: But the things they do for love, he says. And
Speaker 1: he goes, these girls are society's trash. You throw them away.
Speaker 1: I take them in and give them a home and
Speaker 1: a family. And he's like, you got kids. You know
Speaker 1: kids need structure. I need to discipline them or they'll
Speaker 1: walk all over me. So Stabler also notices that this
Speaker 1: guy's hands are roughed up and he's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from boxing.
Speaker 3: I was like a Golden glove boxer or whatever.
Speaker 1: And he basically is laughing in Stabler's face, going, I'm
Speaker 1: about to walk up out of here. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: in the dr watching my girl splash around in a pool,
Speaker 1: drinking a Kuba libre and smoking a koheba. And for
Speaker 1: some reason, this little speech has been in my head
Speaker 1: for decades, Like I have literally had this speech in
Speaker 1: my head forever about drinking a kuba libre and smoking
Speaker 1: a koheba in the dr, like I always remember this
Speaker 1: little speech from this guy. So Stabler goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: enjoying their weak extradition policy, and he goes yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be so close and you can't even touch me. And
Speaker 1: Stabler goes yeah, but you'll still be my bitch, and
Speaker 1: Victor just laughs.
Speaker 3: So the two of these they're sparring.
Speaker 1: This is probably Stabler's favorite kind of guy that he
Speaker 1: likes to have a little back and forth with. So
Speaker 1: now we're back with Beck and Belinda and sister Peg
Speaker 1: and they need Belinda to sign a statement against Victor
Speaker 1: and she's like, but he never did anything to me,
Speaker 1: like I wanted to do all that stuff. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but baby, did you have sex for money and then
Speaker 1: give it to Victor? And she's like yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: like that's a crime, unfortunately, so you know, like sadly,
Speaker 1: you have been committing a crime. And she's like, well,
Speaker 1: where am I gonna go live if Victor goes to jail?
Speaker 1: And they're like, where's your family? And she's like, back
Speaker 1: in Toledo? So you want to send me back to
Speaker 1: a double wide trailer full of brats with my mom
Speaker 1: blobbed out in front of the TV and my stepdad
Speaker 1: crawling into my bed every night. So obviously she comes
Speaker 1: from a horrible home life and that's not an option.
Speaker 2: This is the monologue that lives in my head. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: like she's yeah, I just I love the library, my.
Speaker 1: Mom blobbed out in front of the TV watching her stories. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then she goes like they go, well, there are
Speaker 1: good foster parents, and Belinda's like hard passed, like no
Speaker 1: one has ever taken care of me except for Victor.
Speaker 1: He is my daddy. And sister Peg is like, well,
Speaker 1: do you want to stay with me? And Belinda is
Speaker 1: skeptical because She's like, I know how the system works.
Speaker 1: I can't just like live wherever I want. Sister Peg
Speaker 1: is like, well, actually, I'm a nun, so I only
Speaker 1: take orders from God. So like, anyone is allowed to
Speaker 1: come and stay with me if I say so. Danny
Speaker 1: tells her to pull out the picture of the girls, right,
Speaker 1: this infamous tattoo girl picture that's been the whole episode,
Speaker 1: and she goes, look at your sisters, they're gone. Victor
Speaker 1: hurt them, and she's like, yeah, but he would never
Speaker 1: hurt me.
Speaker 3: He loves me.
Speaker 1: And it is like, I think this episode also really
Speaker 1: just like convinced me how fucking brainwashed these girls are
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. Like even if like a
Speaker 1: guy is like hurting them or killing their friends and
Speaker 1: has you in a life of servitude, basically you're like, no, no,
Speaker 1: he loves me, Like like nothing can get that out
Speaker 1: of your head, you know. And obviously they know who
Speaker 1: to pick. She's got a shitty home life, she's got
Speaker 1: no one else, and he does probably buy her an
Speaker 1: occasional purse, and she thinks that's love, you know, And
Speaker 1: so she's like, well, he would never hurt me. He
Speaker 1: loves me, and he's They're like, well, like the way
Speaker 1: he loved Chantalain, Amber and Monique, I mean he killed them.
Speaker 1: And Belinda's like no, and Beck's like, hees you about
Speaker 1: what happened to them, but he threw them away like trash.
Speaker 1: And Belinda's like, but they aren't trash. And Beck's like
Speaker 1: and neither of you. And She's like, okay, are you
Speaker 1: sure I can live with you? To Sister Peg. Sister
Speaker 1: PEG's like, yes, girl, come on over slumber party central
Speaker 1: at the church.
Speaker 2: And we know what comes next. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 2: if any child has ever been sent to Sister Peg
Speaker 2: and not brutally brought outside.
Speaker 3: Like has it ever worked out?
Speaker 1: Sister Peg needs mace, she needs a taser, she needs mace,
Speaker 1: she needs a security guard, she needs something.
Speaker 3: At that place, it like does not work.
Speaker 2: He is attacked every single time someone has a slumber
Speaker 2: party there.
Speaker 1: Basically, the criminals are like, she's with the nun and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh easy, I'll be right there. You know,
Speaker 1: they just going so we basically she agrees, Blinda agrees
Speaker 1: to sign the shit and she's gonna go live with
Speaker 1: Sister Peg. So now we're at arraignment and it's Casey
Speaker 1: Novak up against victor's attorney Hashi Horowitz. Okay, a classic
Speaker 1: victor plea not guilty, And Novak's like, I want big bail.
Speaker 3: She just says high bail. She doesn't even like name
Speaker 3: a number.
Speaker 1: I would say, he literally joked to our detectives about
Speaker 1: leaving the country. I would say, we he's remanded, you know,
Speaker 1: and or he has to release surrender his passport. And
Speaker 1: Hashi goes, that's just a prejuador, the prejudice the jury.
Speaker 1: And Novak's like, he pimped out a fourteen year old girl.
Speaker 1: And Hashi Horowitz is like, oh, well, why hasn't she
Speaker 1: been arrested? Then that's a crime. And Novak goes, she's
Speaker 1: a victim and Hashi Horowitz goes, she's a whore. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember him ever saying anything so horrible about
Speaker 1: a like it's a fourteen year old girl who's been like,
Speaker 1: you know, trafficked. Essentially. I didn't think Hashi Horowitz. I
Speaker 1: knew he was ruthless, but I didn't think he was
Speaker 1: cold hearted like that. And then the judge is like,
Speaker 1: all right, enough with the bickering, I'm setting the bail
Speaker 1: at five hundred K. Stabler tells Victor as he's walking out,
Speaker 1: better put that Dominican vacation on hold, and.
Speaker 2: You know he kind of, you know, Michael K.
Speaker 1: Williams looks a little bit like he got got for
Speaker 1: a second there, Victor. And Casey tells Stabler and Beck
Speaker 1: that pimping out a kid is a seafi. If I
Speaker 1: convict him, you've got fifteen years to build your murder case.
Speaker 1: And they're like okay, and Beck's like, I'm too keyed
Speaker 1: up to go home.
Speaker 2: Anyone want to go get a drink?
Speaker 1: So now Staylor, Beck, and Novak are at the bar
Speaker 1: and Stabler is like fawning over how good Beck was
Speaker 1: with Belinda, and It's like, you know, it's like dog,
Speaker 1: she's not even on Benson's level, like you're just separated
Speaker 1: in horny, Like why are you like complimenting her so
Speaker 1: hard on like how.
Speaker 3: She's treating this girl.
Speaker 1: And Beck's like no, no, and Stabler's like, see, she
Speaker 1: can't even take a couple of men, and Novak goes,
Speaker 1: it's probably because you never give them, like you've never
Speaker 1: said a nice thing to me in my life. And
Speaker 1: then she goes, and then Stagler goes, but that's why
Speaker 1: I like you. You know, no one wants a sensitive man.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, no, back. I don't think that's true either,
Speaker 1: but you know it's for her purposes as having a detective.
Speaker 1: I guess it's good that he's not that sensitive. Then
Speaker 1: some nerd comes in and goes, Hi, Casey, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I got to go talk to him. He's a homicide
Speaker 1: da and I am here to network.
Speaker 3: So she leaves.
Speaker 1: Plus she can probably feel that she's third wheeling hard
Speaker 1: because these two are like quietly giving each other compliments
Speaker 1: over a beer. And so she leaves Stabler and Beck alone,
Speaker 1: and Beck's like, I gotta get going, and he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you left your car back at the station, babe. And
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll drive you. And she's like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll take a cab. And he's like, it's fine, my
Speaker 1: car's right up back, I'll take you.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: They get to his car, which it looks like it's
Speaker 1: a Jeep Wrangler with a soft top.
Speaker 3: Have we seen that before? We know that was his car.
Speaker 1: We've seen him once driving with Kathleen when they saw
Speaker 1: the Once he was driving with either Kathleen or Marino Kathleen,
Speaker 1: and they saw the fire, remember they saw like a
Speaker 1: they saw like a car on fire on the side
Speaker 1: of the road or whatever.
Speaker 2: They stop to help him.
Speaker 1: We've seen Stabler in a car a few times and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have a Jeep Wrangler with a soft top,
Speaker 1: or you a sixteen year old at my high school.
Speaker 2: But also, how do the kids fit in there?
Speaker 3: What kind of car for a family of six?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Also, it's like New York City, anyone with a knife
Speaker 1: can like break into the soft top, Like it makes
Speaker 1: no sense.
Speaker 2: I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 1: But it's like it feels like classic, Like he just
Speaker 1: feels like a cool guy, like probably from his lifeguard
Speaker 1: days in Astoria, like driving a soft hop up. So
Speaker 1: he opens the door for Beck and then as she's
Speaker 1: about to get in, he just grabs her and pulls
Speaker 1: her in for a kiss.
Speaker 3: It's kind of out of the blue.
Speaker 1: You'd think he'd like wait for a sign or like
Speaker 1: a little bit more consent, but she kisses him back
Speaker 1: and they start to make out, and then one of
Speaker 1: their phones rings and they silence it, and then a
Speaker 1: pager beeps and they ignore it, and then another pager
Speaker 1: beeps and they're like.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe if we're both getting paid.
Speaker 1: Something's going on and they look down and it's a
Speaker 1: nine to one to one they both have from Kraigan.
Speaker 3: So Stabler calls him and it's bad news.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Sister Peg was attacked and she's in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Sister Peg cannot catch a fucking break like and Belinda
Speaker 1: is gone, so dundun, We've got to stop the makeout
Speaker 1: session and get there to.
Speaker 2: The And I wonder, like this was like two thousand
Speaker 2: and six.
Speaker 1: I remember watching this episode, and I used to back
Speaker 1: in the day around this time, want Stable and Benson
Speaker 1: to at least make out. I didn't want them to
Speaker 1: like end up together, but I always wanted there to
Speaker 1: be like a kiss. And I can't remember how I
Speaker 1: felt about this kid. I remember hating Beck, but I
Speaker 1: wonder if the fans were like, well, at least we're
Speaker 1: seeing something him, something with you know. But like I'm
Speaker 1: sure the obviously the Benchler people hated this. But at
Speaker 1: the hospital, Craigan is catching the two lovebirds up a
Speaker 1: neighborhood to fight. They found Peg unconscious, no sign of
Speaker 1: forced entry, and she'll tell us what happens when she
Speaker 1: wakes up that can't believe that Belinda could have done this,
Speaker 1: and she's like, Stabler, this could be one of your daughters.
Speaker 1: And he's like, uh fuck, no, excuse me. He's like,
Speaker 1: not my precious Catholic angels. He's like, once a girl
Speaker 1: gets pulled down by the street, they're capable of anything,
Speaker 1: So like, do not compare these girls to my girls
Speaker 1: and whatever, Stabler. Then they get interrupted by a doctor.
Speaker 1: She's like, what's up. It's been three seconds. Sister Peg
Speaker 1: is awake. So she says, I'm so sorry. I couldn't
Speaker 1: stop him, Sister Peg. She goes, it was a man.
Speaker 1: There was a knock at the door. I opened it.
Speaker 1: He shoved me in. I fell, he kicked me. He
Speaker 1: cracked my ribs, Like you.
Speaker 2: Don't I think maybe she would stop even offering for
Speaker 2: people to say, I know my track records bad they
Speaker 2: find us, we have no c Yeah, I just how
Speaker 2: is this keeps being a plan?
Speaker 3: And how are they finding her?
Speaker 2: So is She's just like listed like it's so, I.
Speaker 1: Mean whatever, Maybe Belinda like told her him where she
Speaker 1: was because she's like so trapped by him. But like
Speaker 1: this guy took Belinda, so she tried she goes, I
Speaker 1: try to stop him, but he hit me in the
Speaker 1: head a couple of times and I passed out. So
Speaker 1: also goes more to like how this man attacks people
Speaker 1: as he goes right for the fucking head. And then
Speaker 1: she described him as having a scar on his face,
Speaker 1: which is a you know, distinguishing characteristic of Victor Boudin
Speaker 1: as well as this actor. And they're like, how the
Speaker 1: fuck did he make bail already? Like how would he
Speaker 1: have made bail? So now they're in holding at the
Speaker 1: jail and this UNI goes, no, no, Victor Bodine, he's
Speaker 1: still here and he's waiting for transport to Wrikers.
Speaker 2: This is another classic moment. I guess this episode is
Speaker 2: way more. It has so many more classics than we think.
Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite moments and some s
Speaker 2: FU history too, like it's sticks out. It's an interesting thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but going I keep stopping you right now, It's like.
Speaker 1: This is like this is you know, uh, this episode
Speaker 1: has a lot of classic elements.
Speaker 3: So he calls Victor Bodine.
Speaker 1: This UNI goes Victor Bodine and surprised, some young kid
Speaker 1: steps forward like definitely not Victor, and they're like, what's
Speaker 1: your name?
Speaker 2: And he's like Victor Bodinea.
Speaker 1: They're like, cut the shit, like what's your name and
Speaker 1: he's like, my name is actually Jason Young. And then
Speaker 1: the guy goes, oh, Jason Young who got bailed out
Speaker 1: three hours ago.
Speaker 3: So that guy made no fucking wasted no time.
Speaker 1: He literally got out of jail, went straight to get
Speaker 1: Melinda knocked out a nun like, he went straight there.
Speaker 1: He's only been out for three hours. How did he
Speaker 1: find her again? Who knows?
Speaker 3: Now they're talking to this kid.
Speaker 1: They bring Jason Young in for questioning and they're like like,
Speaker 1: why did you switch places with this guy who you
Speaker 1: just met? And they're like, no, no, I've known Victor
Speaker 1: my whole life. He's a legend in my neighborhood. Plus
Speaker 1: we find out he promised him an iPod very of
Speaker 1: the time, an expensive little eye, probably an iPod Touch
Speaker 1: and Beck goes, you threw away your future for an
Speaker 1: iPod and the kids like, what are you talking about
Speaker 1: throwing away my future? Like, and the guy goes jail
Speaker 1: break is a felony charge, and this kid's freaking out
Speaker 1: because he's like, but I didn't break I didn't break
Speaker 1: out I'm right here, and like, he didn't realize that.
Speaker 2: Like, helping a criminal get out of jail wasn't there.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how fucking stupid are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean, obviously, this dude is very manipulative
Speaker 2: and like rocking people to doing what he wants. But
Speaker 2: it is like, you thought this wasn't a crime. You
Speaker 2: thought helping someone is jail was just chill.
Speaker 1: Well, Victor told him he was also going to get
Speaker 1: away with it because soon the lawyer was going to
Speaker 1: come spring him out and then no one would ever
Speaker 1: be the wiser.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, the guy you helped.
Speaker 1: Get out of jail immediately committed a crime within ten
Speaker 1: minutes of getting out.
Speaker 3: So you fucked up.
Speaker 1: You trusted the wrong neighborhood legend. And so he's freaking
Speaker 1: why is he a legend? Why ruining children's live? I know,
Speaker 1: I know, get a new hero, Get a new hero.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, he definitely doesn't realize he was going
Speaker 1: to get in this much trouble. And they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: well you can try to help us, maybe we'll lower
Speaker 1: your sentence or something. Tell us where you were meeting
Speaker 1: Victor for your iPod touch payment and it was Venice's crib.
Speaker 1: So now we're back at Venice's house. She's in the
Speaker 1: same outfit. It's definitely been a couple of days we've
Speaker 1: had arraignment whatever, but she's in the same blue like
Speaker 1: track suit outbit matching and is like, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: Victor since you dragged his ass out of here in cuffs,
Speaker 1: and they pissed her off, going, oh, yeah, he's on
Speaker 1: the run, but you know, he went to great lengths
Speaker 1: to bring Belinda with him. And she's like that skanky
Speaker 1: ass ho, which they love saying that on this show.
Speaker 3: Skanky ass ho.
Speaker 1: We've got scan cost Central, you know, is a famous
Speaker 1: quote from Iced Tea, which, by the way, a listener
Speaker 1: did make us travel mugs that say scan cost Central
Speaker 1: on them, and my children grab it out of the
Speaker 1: cabinet all the time and play with it. And I'm
Speaker 1: always like, can we just not play with the scan
Speaker 1: cost Central mug? If another parent is over here, I
Speaker 1: am going to get in trouble. But Stabler then twists
Speaker 1: the knife for Venice and goes, yeah, I guess he
Speaker 1: thought she'd look better topless on the beach in the
Speaker 1: dr and Venice is like he promised me that trip.
Speaker 1: Like she's getting pissed, and Stabler goes show us where
Speaker 1: he keeps his money, and Beck's like, Beck goes.
Speaker 3: You're gonna let him?
Speaker 4: Do you like that?
Speaker 1: Like both of them are like literally speaking in a
Speaker 1: microaggressive accent a lot of this episode, and Venice spills
Speaker 1: he's got a loft by the river, down by the
Speaker 1: Williamsburg Bridge, And I'm immediately like, damn, you know, that's
Speaker 1: nice real estate down by the Williamsburg Bridge, North eleventh.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 1: So when they get there, the door is open to
Speaker 1: the to the loft with two pack suitcases propping it open.
Speaker 1: Beck and Stabler like creep into the place with their
Speaker 1: guns drawn. They don't see anyone at first, but then
Speaker 1: they hear Victor slapping Belinda and screaming at her in
Speaker 1: the next room, and they're like they she walks.
Speaker 3: Out, I didn't he leave her?
Speaker 2: I don't get like, just go to the DR, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand making a pit stop.
Speaker 1: I think he probably was gonna kill her eventually in
Speaker 1: the DR so that she can't testify for this case.
Speaker 1: Because if they, if they somehow extradt him from the DRS,
Speaker 1: she's already signed this document saying that he pimped her out.
Speaker 1: So it's like, if you kill her, she can't testify.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm assuming he was like literally about too,
Speaker 1: but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Luck of them, Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: Beck and Stabler also, yeah, I would also say it
Speaker 1: draws attention to yourself to be a full grown man
Speaker 1: traveling with a girl who looks fifteen, you know, like
Speaker 1: I would like, that's not your daughter, Like I would
Speaker 1: say that that's uh, he probably would have been better
Speaker 1: off just yeah, go to the dr by yourself. So
Speaker 1: Belinda walks out of a room at one point and
Speaker 1: they try to grab her and she's like, no, get
Speaker 1: off me, and like goes back to Victor. And now
Speaker 1: Victor comes out of the bedroom with her gun on her,
Speaker 1: using her as a full human shield hostage, and he's
Speaker 1: like both of you back up to Stabler and Beck
Speaker 1: and Belinda's.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't want to leave you, Victor.
Speaker 1: Like she's like professing her love the whole time this
Speaker 1: is going on. And this is always what I remember
Speaker 1: about this episode two Like day on this girl, like
Speaker 1: even as he's like holding a gun to her head,
Speaker 1: is like, you're my one true love, you know, like
Speaker 1: and just can't break out of the like spell, and
Speaker 1: so he brings her out the door down the stairs.
Speaker 1: It's like a full chase, and then Belinda has fallen
Speaker 1: at some point and she's like, please slow down, like
Speaker 1: my ankle, Like I think she's twisted an ankle or something.
Speaker 1: He eventually throws her over a railing, knowing that the
Speaker 1: cops will like not shoot at him because they will
Speaker 1: go to attend to the hanging teenager because she is
Speaker 1: hanging on by her hands off of a railing and
Speaker 1: she's just yelling Victor, Victor, and then Stabler saves her.
Speaker 1: She's probably the whole time like get off me, my daddy,
Speaker 1: like whatever.
Speaker 3: But Stabler saves her.
Speaker 1: Victor runs for this suv, gets in and starts driving it.
Speaker 1: They look like they're on a rooftop of the building too.
Speaker 1: He starts driving it directly at Beck and then she
Speaker 1: has no other choice.
Speaker 3: She's saying stop, stop, stop. He's driving right at her.
Speaker 1: She shoots at him like three times and she hits
Speaker 1: him like you see the bullets hitting. And in the
Speaker 1: next scene it's the morning and he is dead. He
Speaker 1: is dead head against the sheering wheel Victor did not
Speaker 1: make it. So they're loading Belinda into the ambulance and
Speaker 1: she's like, can I see him? And they're like, it's
Speaker 1: probably best that we just cut it off here, and
Speaker 1: she's like, he loved me. No one else has ever
Speaker 1: loved me. And then the ambulance takes off, and then
Speaker 1: Stabler spots Beck staring off at the Manhattan skyline. It's
Speaker 1: quite it's very beautiful, and he's like, let me drive
Speaker 1: you home, and their posture is like very couple like,
Speaker 1: like just the way that they're holding themselves near each other.
Speaker 1: But then she goes, I need to be alone, and
Speaker 1: she just walks away from him, and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna be horny for you after this case, Stabler.
Speaker 1: She's upset. Every case gets in her head. She doesn't
Speaker 1: want to continue the makeout from earlier.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it's I just don't like seeing him
Speaker 2: this desperate either, I know, just like strange and uncomfortable
Speaker 2: and I can't I don't know.
Speaker 1: And the next episode is the l Fanning episode, and
Speaker 1: that's where Beck calls it quits. After that one, after
Speaker 1: a little girl sets her house on fire, she's like,
Speaker 1: I think I got to move on. I think I
Speaker 1: got to go back to where'd they say that she
Speaker 1: came to victim? She just likes dead people homicide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Craigan says something like Warrens sent her or something
Speaker 1: like that, some other department I hadn't heard of. But anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: we got to get back into where Beck came from.
Speaker 3: So it's about how the live victims are harder.
Speaker 1: Yes, and yeah, she's also Danish assigned to the SVU.
Speaker 3: It's why it's just wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a Danish exchange program. All right, Well, the
Speaker 2: crimes they're here. So Matthew Tompkins' case. On the streets,
Speaker 2: he was known as Knowledge and this guy sixty three
Speaker 2: three hundred pounds and according to a lot of sources,
Speaker 2: he won Pimp of the Year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when.
Speaker 2: They were organizing that, huh, Yeah, they were searched. So
Speaker 2: when they like eventually searched his properties, they found a
Speaker 2: giant four foot Pimp of the year's statue And it's
Speaker 2: from a DC competition called the Player's Ball, and it
Speaker 2: goes to the pimp that convinces everyone that he made
Speaker 2: the most money in the biggest name for himself that year.
Speaker 2: But also drum roll, he was a bronx mailman at
Speaker 2: this he was a mailman. He was a lettercari hey,
Speaker 2: so he was like this mild mannered mailman and then
Speaker 2: pimp of the year all at the same time. And
Speaker 2: he had a hummer, and he was known to recruit
Speaker 2: girls as young as thirteen, so straight from this episode,
Speaker 2: and he was working from at least nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 2: and he obviously sucked, you know. One of the former
Speaker 2: sex workers said that she was seventeen and he made
Speaker 2: her pose for explicit photos for the Village Voice and
Speaker 2: then made her have sex with the photographer for payment
Speaker 2: for those photos.
Speaker 3: My god, And in two.
Speaker 2: Thousand and four she said that she brought in like
Speaker 2: two hundred and twenty two thousand, two hundred dollars one year,
Speaker 2: like in two thousand and four, and was only given
Speaker 2: twenty dollars a day.
Speaker 3: Obscene, obscene, It's just I mean.
Speaker 2: Another said she was practically at like a slave, and
Speaker 2: that was to news Channel ten and Amarillo, Texas. It's
Speaker 2: from the ap but like wild story for them to
Speaker 2: pick up, yeah, from this Texas paper.
Speaker 3: Or news channel.
Speaker 2: December two thousand and five, he is busted in his
Speaker 2: hummer and the ego is what really got him because
Speaker 2: he did an interview with a Florida magazine and they
Speaker 2: used the name Brandon, which was an alias of his,
Speaker 2: and so the FBI came knocking not long after that. So,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be doing illegal stuff, I wouldn't do pr. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really wouldn't do press. But it was also part
Speaker 2: of a year long probes. The FBI and New Jersey
Speaker 2: State Police were watching him and actually the US Postal
Speaker 2: Service Inspector General's Office and oh and yeah, local police
Speaker 2: as well. And he had seven to eight girls, each
Speaker 2: of them brought in one to two grand a night
Speaker 2: and as much as like fifty k a weekend. So
Speaker 2: he's just making a lot of a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And he had homes everywhere. He had homes in Bronx, Yonkers, Manhattan,
Speaker 2: South Jersey, and Las Vegas. And so he was charged
Speaker 2: at thirty eight years old with conspiracy to recruit underage
Speaker 2: prostitutes and money laundering. And he was the head of
Speaker 2: a Hunts Point based sex workering that did business in
Speaker 2: New York, New Jersey, Ohio, Boston, Atlanta, Philly, Miami, Atlantic City,
Speaker 2: and Vegas. So yeah, you gotta get awards. But they're
Speaker 2: fucking organized. And so one of the associates of the
Speaker 2: six that were arrested with him, Demetrius Booby Lemis, admitted
Speaker 2: that they admitted that they started hoodlum records to recruit went.
Speaker 2: They all pled guilty, all the pimps. So we have
Speaker 2: Ramla Khan argrugious. I'm not if you're a plug guilty pimp.
Speaker 2: I don't think I have to say your name, right ha.
Speaker 2: We have women Emily and Jacqueline Collins called Salski, someone
Speaker 2: named Jemerson, and then one unnamed and then obviously you
Speaker 2: know Booby, so March then Booby Yeah, so March two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven. He was sentenced to more than twenty
Speaker 2: three years in prison, Thank fucking God. Hell yes, he
Speaker 2: pled guilty to the conspiracy to transport miners and the
Speaker 2: conspiracy to engage in money laundering. The laundering was about
Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand dollars in US Postal Service in Western
Speaker 2: Union money orders purchased and used by members of this conspiracy.
Speaker 2: And interesting, So.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, why is he staying
Speaker 1: in the postal service? Like once he starts making this money,
Speaker 1: Like why stay in the postal service.
Speaker 3: I guess, just to keep up the.
Speaker 1: Front that you're like working a regular job, but you're
Speaker 1: also using the postal service your advantage.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like diabolical and he figured it out,
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: But you know who I always think about Gus Fring.
Speaker 2: Is that the from Breaking Bad? Yeah? Poios armanos baby,
Speaker 2: Because in my head, I'm like, I would just not
Speaker 2: sell drugs if I didn't have I don't want to
Speaker 2: work at the chicken spot, Like I just can't imagine
Speaker 2: clocking in as a chicken shop manager. Like I guess
Speaker 2: you could take vacation time to be at your property.
Speaker 2: It's probably about the love of the crime. I have
Speaker 2: to rewatch that show, okay, yeah, okay. So with the
Speaker 2: pleading guilty, he agreed to four feit seven hundred and
Speaker 2: forty eight two hundred and forty three dollars in funds,
Speaker 2: Like really exact, he gave up three New York properties,
Speaker 2: one New Jersey property, and eight vehicles, all which came
Speaker 2: from like this illegal sex work enterprise slave situation. So
Speaker 2: basically he tried to plead with this judge. The judge
Speaker 2: is a US district judge. Fredswolfson, and he was asking
Speaker 2: for leniency because him and the girls bonded as family,
Speaker 2: and she said, oh, okay, well I'm going to give
Speaker 2: you the maximum. Actually I hate you. No, it wasn't
Speaker 2: the full maximum. She was unmoved. Just for effect. I
Speaker 2: said that the max was thirty years, and she gave
Speaker 2: him twenty three. So the judge said to him, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't send your daughter or sister to do that. So
Speaker 2: that's not a family. But we know that some people
Speaker 2: in certain families do that. So yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: our world knows no and to the darkness.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Anyways, so he also had a two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars fine, but also money from monetary losses suffered
Speaker 2: by the victims, so he owed them a bunch of
Speaker 2: money and shocking, he also resigned from the postal service
Speaker 2: after he pled guilty. So if you were wondering, one
Speaker 2: of the former girls said in court, if he gets out,
Speaker 2: I know he'll do it again.
Speaker 3: And that was a Channel nine news and Trenton, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: But via the AP in New Jersey in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: they passed the bill that got unanimous approval that victims
Speaker 2: of human traffickings, criminal records would be expunged, and it
Speaker 2: happened to some of the women in this case Trafficking Prevention,
Speaker 2: Protection and Treatment Act that Atlantic County Assistant Prosecutor Danielle S.
Speaker 2: Buckley called, in quotes a paradigm shift where sex workers
Speaker 2: are not just seen as people committing crimes, but more
Speaker 2: fundamentally victims of vicious psychological controlling.
Speaker 3: So thanks, great, take that, Hashi Horowitz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the women was the first for
Speaker 2: this bill to work for. And you know, she had
Speaker 2: a really hard life. Father murdered at five, mother abandoned
Speaker 2: her ten years later. She had a son at twenty,
Speaker 2: and then fell for this man who introduced her to heroin,
Speaker 2: and then met a man Tompkins, who promised to help
Speaker 2: her make money and reunite her with her son, but
Speaker 2: instead controlled her life and pushed her into the sex business.
Speaker 2: Beating's threats. She was arrested a bunch and her testimony
Speaker 2: is what helped put this fucker in jail, but her
Speaker 2: convictions stayed on her record and she couldn't get a job.
Speaker 2: And this would be like just a giant step to
Speaker 2: getting her life back and so her record got expunged
Speaker 2: and they gave back all the fines that she had paid,
Speaker 2: which was around ten grand. And it's and she says,
Speaker 2: it's tough to trust the STEM and cops that arrested you.
Speaker 2: But hopefully this helps a lot of people and has
Speaker 2: helped them in the decade plus that this bill has
Speaker 2: been passed. But I'm sure we'll be reversed any moment,
Speaker 2: so we shall see. And then the next case is
Speaker 2: Carlos Curtis case. And I would say this was like
Speaker 2: probably the most difficult if I had finding information. It
Speaker 2: was only like FB like court reports, and then one
Speaker 2: New York Times like a paragraph and a giant other expose.
Speaker 2: And then I had to pay seven dollars to read
Speaker 2: this Washington Post article. They do a thing, but I
Speaker 2: like this. It's seven dollars for a week and no renewal.
Speaker 2: Yeah there's Oh that's nice. It says no renewal. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check it for sure, but it says like
Speaker 2: no automatic renewal if you do it this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a week long, like like a day pass.
Speaker 1: I just want to read a couple of things, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Out of here. Yeah, I'm like, should I get ahead
Speaker 2: of schedule because I only have it for a week.
Speaker 2: I don't want to keep giving them seven dollars every
Speaker 2: time I want to read a paper. But truly nothing
Speaker 2: about this man. It was really difficult, but this so
Speaker 2: Carlos Curtis was found guilty in sex trafficking, corsion, enticement
Speaker 2: of a minor, transportation of a person for prostitution, and
Speaker 2: he was sentenced to life in prison. He was brought
Speaker 2: in for prostituting a twelve year old runaway he recruited
Speaker 2: from New York and the initials are ap for her
Speaker 2: and a seventeen year old he brought to the district
Speaker 2: from Maryland.
Speaker 3: C B A lot of that, I guess, I don't
Speaker 3: know DC.
Speaker 2: People call it the district, but oh yeah, that's the district, honey.
Speaker 2: He was the first pimp tried, So both of these
Speaker 2: cases actually of huge legal first things, like she was
Speaker 2: the first, you know, in the previous case, it was
Speaker 2: the first to have this bill work for her, this
Speaker 2: victim's bill. And this guy was the first pimp tried
Speaker 2: in the district under federal statute. In an effort to
Speaker 2: use federal anti trafficking laws as a tool to prosecute
Speaker 2: pimps so they would have stiffer penalties than the local
Speaker 2: statutes would allow. So this Trafficking Victims Protection Act was
Speaker 2: passed in two thousand and Also, prior to this case,
Speaker 2: he was convicted in New Jersey in nineteen ninety eight
Speaker 2: for promoting prostitution of a minor. And I don't know
Speaker 2: why he didn't get more time for it. It was already
Speaker 2: back out on the streets. It really makes no sense
Speaker 2: to me. And I couldn't find information on that first
Speaker 2: arrest as well. But it was a big point of
Speaker 2: contention in the courts because you know, the defense obviously
Speaker 2: argues you can't have like past crimes involved in the
Speaker 2: future thing and so like to put him away for life.
Speaker 2: You can't have if this past case. But that's the
Speaker 2: attorney was saying. Then she was arguing that the Jersey
Speaker 2: conviction was not violent and should not count towards the
Speaker 2: decision for a life sentence. I guess I don't know why,
Speaker 2: I said she Jensen Egerton Barber. The second, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's a man.
Speaker 1: Why I mean, I guess, well, I'll voting in prostitution
Speaker 1: is not exactly violence, but it feels well, this violence adjacent.
Speaker 2: The judge was so like, I'm obsessed with this judge.
Speaker 2: So Kessler, okay, So she disagreed and said the earlier
Speaker 2: conviction was indeed violent, and with the Maryland drug convictions
Speaker 2: as well and the district pimping conviction, it all works out.
Speaker 2: And then she was quoted and this is what you're
Speaker 2: getting at. Putting a girl out on the street for
Speaker 2: prostitution exposes her to beating, to assault, to murder. So
Speaker 2: in that way, it is very fucking violent. You know.
Speaker 2: You don't get to just throw someone out in the
Speaker 2: streets to do really unsafe work with no protections and
Speaker 2: then say it's not violent.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Fuck you know. So this judge is the shit. March
Speaker 2: thirty first, two thousand and four, this federal judge issued
Speaker 2: a nine count indictment and he was found guilty of
Speaker 2: six of the nine charges on July second, two thousand
Speaker 2: and four, and he was sentenced to six concurrent terms
Speaker 2: of life. But it took more than a year from
Speaker 2: being convicted by a jury to be sentenced, so he
Speaker 2: was sentenced March seventeen, Saint Patrick's Day Hello in two
Speaker 2: thousand and five, he was given the chance to address
Speaker 2: the court, he did not, And then again US District
Speaker 2: Judge Gladys Kessler, I'm obsessed with her, called his crimes
Speaker 2: to the Washington Post degrading beyond words, and it was.
Speaker 2: He was twenty nine and his face was stunned when
Speaker 2: Kessler said life, and the Post wrote a face was
Speaker 2: a portrait of a pained disbelief. So fuck you, bitch,
Speaker 2: and the judges quoted yes again in the Post, I
Speaker 2: had to get the most out of my seven dollars.
Speaker 2: They suffer psychologically and emotionally, and they suffer physically, and
Speaker 2: they often suffer for a lifetime, as mister Curtis is
Speaker 2: going to suffer for a lifetime. This bitch is poetic.
Speaker 2: I'm like a Cussoice judge like good quotes good knowledge.
Speaker 2: He was, though granted compassionate release in twenty twenty by
Speaker 2: Judge Beryl A. Howell. He served seventeen years of this
Speaker 2: life sentence and basically he has extreme ms. Oh he
Speaker 2: lost eighty five percent of his vision. He's in an
Speaker 2: electric wheelchair or in his bed and that's it. And
Speaker 2: his physical condition gave him fears of contracting COVID, and
Speaker 2: we covered cases where we were writing to parole boards
Speaker 2: to make sure people weren't fucking let out during COVID
Speaker 2: during this passionate release bonanza. But yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: when you're ms, is that fucked up?
Speaker 1: I guess it's like if he's eighty five percent, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not going to do it again, right, he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the capacity.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So he tried to get out many times before,
Speaker 2: so like there was it was the same reasoning, but
Speaker 2: he was denied tons of times, Like he tried to
Speaker 2: appeal and get out, like, oh well all the time,
Speaker 2: but because of the convictions and discipline history, no one
Speaker 2: really cared. But basically the court document said that the
Speaker 2: defendant at this time in no way resembles the defendant
Speaker 2: sentenced in two thousand and six and he got supervised
Speaker 2: released for five years. But again, his physical limitations seriously
Speaker 2: undermine the notion that you would you don't do anything.
Speaker 2: And I guess he did show remorse. He said he
Speaker 2: hated who he was and.
Speaker 1: That's that all right, Well he hated to do I
Speaker 1: can all agree on something, and I hate to say
Speaker 1: like it if it's the first federal case, it's like
Speaker 1: that does send a message to other sex traffickers and
Speaker 1: like pimps that you know you could also get back
Speaker 1: to back life sentences, you know, like.
Speaker 2: This, man, I know, it just makes me feel like
Speaker 2: I don't want them to make an example of Luigi.
Speaker 2: I know, I know I don't either. I don't either.
Speaker 3: But a one time it feels different than running a business.
Speaker 2: It's very different. It's just like nuance is so important
Speaker 2: in our world, is like void of it now. But
Speaker 2: it's just like yeah, for this, I'm definitely like fuck everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so true. But we have a great guest coming up,
Speaker 1: so don't move a muscle. Our guest today has been
Speaker 1: working since she was thirteen years old, when she made
Speaker 1: her acting debut in the film Little Manhattan. She's also
Speaker 1: been featured on shows like FBI's Most Wanted and Inside
Speaker 1: Amy Schumer. But you know her best as the paw
Speaker 1: print back tatted underage sex worker Belinda Halt aka Passion.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our chat with Charlotte Ray Rosenberg.
Speaker 2: It's actually wild saying your face because you've been in
Speaker 2: it in our minds since season eight. It's like wild
Speaker 2: and that is thank you. What a classic episode, such
Speaker 2: a good performance, What a little what a little How
Speaker 2: old were you?
Speaker 6: I think I was fourteen?
Speaker 7: Yeah, like that was I may have been thirteen, I
Speaker 7: know I was playing fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and how did it? Did you know?
Speaker 2: You were like a sex worker on the street abuse? Like,
Speaker 2: how do you kind of prep for that at thirteen?
Speaker 2: And your parents are like, let's do this?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I mean I grew up in New York City at
Speaker 7: the time. My mom and I watched the show.
Speaker 2: Weekly, oh, calegeously.
Speaker 6: So we were huge fans.
Speaker 7: We you know, I knew it was a I was
Speaker 7: also yeah, for better or for worse. My parents let
Speaker 7: me watch really brutal stuff from a very young age.
Speaker 6: So you know, you go, you grow up fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the street, those New York City kids, they
Speaker 1: grow up fast.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We do live shows on the road and we get
Speaker 2: a lot of mom daughter duos, dad daughter or grandma's
Speaker 2: like it was wildly it's a family show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everybody always says I was watching it when I was
Speaker 1: way too young to be watching it. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know everyone's watching it, and like when they're ten.
Speaker 2: Well, we need to have lessons, like I bet your
Speaker 2: I bet this episode helped people in the future, you know,
Speaker 2: I hope, Yeah, I bet they'd people like wait this,
Speaker 2: I don't want I don't want to do that ever.
Speaker 7: I don't know like like having sex with children is bad,
Speaker 7: it's a good life lesson. Yeah. I remember at the
Speaker 7: time it was the idea of being you know, sort
Speaker 7: of like Jodie Foster and Taxi driver was like a
Speaker 7: big selling point, and you know, it never it never
Speaker 7: crossed my mind that it would be problematic in any way.
Speaker 7: And I had, you know, sort of boheman parents.
Speaker 6: In that way.
Speaker 7: I was just watching the episode like right before I
Speaker 7: signed on, and it's it's it's wild looking back and
Speaker 7: just I got a little emotional like myself.
Speaker 6: And just like dress up in that outfit.
Speaker 7: I mean that outfit is amazing, like it it also
Speaker 7: reminded me and this is like a little sus But
Speaker 7: I I remember like that pink sort of bathing suit
Speaker 7: top I had like no boobs.
Speaker 6: And they like made me have big day. They like
Speaker 6: stop you, They like made me have boobs, which is
Speaker 6: like cut, it's a little weird.
Speaker 3: That's so weird.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, well I just think what's what's weird is
Speaker 1: like the show either casts like little kids to play
Speaker 1: little kids, but usually when it's like a teen, it's
Speaker 1: like a twenty year old playing a fourteen year old
Speaker 1: or a thirteen year old, and you're like the actual age,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that they do that that much.
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's a testament to your acting.
Speaker 1: They were like, she can handle this, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the audition, like what besides?
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us more of like what came into your
Speaker 2: mind watching it and when it was happening and they
Speaker 2: were giving you the boobs, do you remember feeling a
Speaker 2: certain way about it or like I.
Speaker 7: Think at the time, I was just like, yeah, like
Speaker 7: that looks hot, like cool? Yeah, Like I was, you know,
Speaker 7: I was like really into being sexy, and.
Speaker 6: The in later years I was.
Speaker 7: It was when I was sort of like wait, wait okay,
Speaker 7: but I was they I was playing fourteen and they
Speaker 7: so what.
Speaker 6: Was the message there? But yeah, I remember the audition.
Speaker 7: It's you know, in Chelsea Peers where they also shoot.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't remember the actual inside the audition,
Speaker 7: but I remember being really excited about being cast as
Speaker 7: I think to this day it's like the kind of
Speaker 7: hardest character I've been cast as because I think people
Speaker 7: usually see me as more like soft or.
Speaker 6: You know, more precocious.
Speaker 7: And I was so excited to meet Marishka, like idol,
Speaker 7: and then a bit disappointed when I got said and
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess I had read the script ahead
Speaker 7: of time too, but I was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know what, we're disappointed For a second,
Speaker 2: you were going to have like this story of how
Speaker 2: she was mean to you. And then I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fucking back.
Speaker 7: No, no, I I can tell you about how fucking
Speaker 7: amazing Marishka Hargay is though, because when you originally reached
Speaker 7: out about this podcast, I assumed that it would be
Speaker 7: about a later episode. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 7: I was I was utterly delighted to know that this
Speaker 7: episode was about Underbelly. But no, no, she was amazing,
Speaker 7: So yeah on set, I didn't meet her at the time,
Speaker 7: and I was crestfallen. But Connie was lovely, so lovely,
Speaker 7: and you know, I was less starstruck, which was probably
Speaker 7: a good thing for me, you know.
Speaker 2: And you didn't care about Maloney at all in terms
Speaker 2: of it was all about Marishka, right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was just like, oh, yeah, that's the guy. Okay, cool.
Speaker 3: Did your mom come to set with you?
Speaker 6: Yes, she was. She was totally excited. I mean again,
Speaker 6: because we were such fans of the show.
Speaker 7: We were just like, oh, look there's the jail cell,
Speaker 7: and like there there's the interrogation room. And it was
Speaker 7: almost this, you know, it was like the ultimate fan experience.
Speaker 6: But yeah, she was there.
Speaker 7: And I remember Connie Nilsen like also trying to teach
Speaker 7: me how to cry in like our little scene we
Speaker 7: have together, and I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't quite squeeze out a tear.
Speaker 2: Well I started in season seventeen. Oh yeah, you were
Speaker 2: really crying on the stand.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, lots of squeezed out a lot of tears.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we we.
Speaker 1: It's funny because we covered this episode already on the podcast.
Speaker 1: This is the episode a Misunderstanding from season seventeen, and
Speaker 1: I remember saying, oh, the main girl in this is
Speaker 1: the girl from Underbelly. But then I'm really kind of
Speaker 1: glad that we got you for Underbelly and not for
Speaker 1: that one, because we're obviously going to talk about both.
Speaker 2: But in that you got to the two big lawyers,
Speaker 2: like and it's one of the evil defense attorneys we like,
Speaker 2: don't like on the show, was your so, Elizabeth Marble,
Speaker 2: why don't I wash?
Speaker 3: And Delancey Delaney.
Speaker 1: William Delaney William Yeah, he's Buchanan to me, it's so hard.
Speaker 3: So how was it working with the two lawyers that
Speaker 3: we love?
Speaker 7: Well, they were fabulous and yeah Raoul as Barzo, Oh
Speaker 7: my god, they were Yeah, he was Delaney is his
Speaker 7: name plays Buchanan?
Speaker 6: He was mean, he was really, he's Spain.
Speaker 1: We had him on the podcast and we were like,
Speaker 1: you're so nice and thank god, because if I saw
Speaker 1: you in the street, I would probably like, well, no,
Speaker 1: what's his Twitter?
Speaker 2: Bio? Was like the guy you love to hate or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like your least favorite person on a.
Speaker 6: Show that's really good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, excellent, jerk excellent.
Speaker 7: I remember being visibly repulsed and upset at him, just
Speaker 7: like how it was just so like how he was
Speaker 7: like violating my personal space. And but did you know
Speaker 7: that Marishka directed that episode?
Speaker 2: We didn't know, so you really got to meet her?
Speaker 2: Did you tell her about Underbelly and you caught up?
Speaker 7: Yeah, And so this is where this is the moment
Speaker 7: where I get to like gush about Marishka, because not
Speaker 7: only did I finally get to meet with her and
Speaker 7: work with her, you know, as an actor, but she
Speaker 7: was It was like a life changing experience for me
Speaker 7: working with her, and I actually I recently reached out
Speaker 7: to her about it because I have been transitioning more
Speaker 7: into filmmaking and I was telling her that, you know,
Speaker 7: even though I didn't quite realize it at the time,
Speaker 7: being directed by her was like a huge inflection point
Speaker 7: for me because she the way she made me feel,
Speaker 7: and I think all of the actors, but you know,
Speaker 7: she was giving me so much attention because of my role.
Speaker 7: She just created such a sense of safety and like
Speaker 7: feeling seen and like loved, and like there was just
Speaker 7: this like immense empathy and sensitivity and like you know,
Speaker 7: like looking into my soul with like tears in her
Speaker 7: eyes almost and just just it was so beautiful. And
Speaker 7: it was that that I think really allowed me to
Speaker 7: go to the places that I went to and give
Speaker 7: the performance that I did that I was like really
Speaker 7: proud of and I don't think would have happened in
Speaker 7: a normal way.
Speaker 6: And it was the first time.
Speaker 7: I saw like, oh, because you know, especially coming into
Speaker 7: this industry at such a young age, I had such
Speaker 7: an idea of what it meant to be a director,
Speaker 7: and of course it was very patriarchal and very male,
Speaker 7: and you know that like almost having a megaphone kind
Speaker 7: of idea of shouting ordering people around. And it was
Speaker 7: the first time I had experienced someone who was not
Speaker 7: only a woman, but like using the emotional sensitivity she
Speaker 7: had as like an actor and a deeply feeling loving
Speaker 7: person to create like such beautiful performances and energy on
Speaker 7: the set, Like it was just so palpable, and it
Speaker 7: kind of made me realize like, oh, maybe I could,
Speaker 7: you know, maybe I could do that too, and I
Speaker 7: don't have to be I don't have to change that
Speaker 7: part of myself, but I could like bring that sort
Speaker 7: of empathetic sensitivity to directing work. So it was really
Speaker 7: and she she just I mean she was incredible. Like
Speaker 7: we stayed in touch, and I'm sure she's done this
Speaker 7: with so many people, but just like such Mama Bear,
Speaker 7: like above and beyond. I don't know how she has
Speaker 7: the bandwidth for it, but she just made me feel
Speaker 7: so special and seen and like, yeah, I can't say
Speaker 7: enough that's her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the majority opinion. And it feels like
Speaker 1: everybody's like, just she's uh. And it's like you just
Speaker 1: hear about other like number ones on call sheets who
Speaker 1: are just assholes, and you're like, but look at the
Speaker 1: longest running live action show on television is run by
Speaker 1: this person that most people are like, she's the best
Speaker 1: person ever. So it obviously can lead to success. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be a dick, but I'm obviously mostly
Speaker 1: talking about men. I feel like that's around when she
Speaker 1: started directing. That might have been because I remember her
Speaker 1: directing into like the twenty in the seasons in the twenties,
Speaker 1: but like that might have been one of her first
Speaker 1: directorial forays.
Speaker 3: You know how was We're you know the boy playing
Speaker 3: a rapist.
Speaker 6: That was funny.
Speaker 7: We sort of it was like, I feel like, not
Speaker 7: what you would normally hear about an assault, assault a victim,
Speaker 7: sort of actor dynamic. But we talked so much about
Speaker 7: I think, especially being adults, like trying to find the
Speaker 7: innocence of being kids, and even the you.
Speaker 6: Know, from his perspective, like what he was going through.
Speaker 7: And I think the way the way it was sort
Speaker 7: of put together, like we we really want it, and
Speaker 7: Mirish I think really wanted to create a lot of
Speaker 7: ambiguity and a lot of grayness, and because that's so
Speaker 7: often the reality that you know, if people don't fall
Speaker 7: into a specific type of victimhood, it's just it doesn't
Speaker 7: count or something. And also just you know, not in
Speaker 7: the like, oh, whose life is ruined? What a you know,
Speaker 7: poor victim in that way, but just in the system
Speaker 7: of toxic masculinity and how that is horrible for boys too.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that that episode is based on something that
Speaker 1: happened at Saint Paul's, the boarding school that was like
Speaker 1: highly publicized and it was like very similar of like
Speaker 1: the guy dressing like a boy, like with the you like,
Speaker 1: putting on like the Harry Potter look or whatever, like
Speaker 1: the guy and the real thing did that as well,
Speaker 1: which kind of shows how lawyers and parents like made
Speaker 1: everything so complicated in the episode as well, you know,
Speaker 1: because the difference in the real case, I think is
Speaker 1: that the kid in the real case did not come
Speaker 1: from a ton of money, so he was always like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a fish out of water at
Speaker 1: the school I think as well, But.
Speaker 3: Not in this episode.
Speaker 1: Right, this guy's he's got he's got a he's got
Speaker 1: a really, really Protestant looking mom, so I can tell
Speaker 1: you real bossy parents when.
Speaker 7: She's like ye wow, is that like I mean, honestly,
Speaker 7: from that, I just remember Marshca like telling me what
Speaker 7: like a great job I was doing, which is like, yeah,
Speaker 7: it just just like the speaks to I remember she
Speaker 7: said something about like, oh, like you're you're so natural,
Speaker 7: like you're you know, like you're raising the bar or something.
Speaker 7: This sounds like I'm really tooting my own horn, but
Speaker 7: I just but but I'm tooting I'm tooting her horn
Speaker 7: because I think that's like, as an actor, you really
Speaker 7: need to hear that stuff like in real time, just
Speaker 7: to like let go of the voice that's.
Speaker 6: Constantly telling you you're a piece of shit, you know.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I just think like she gave so much
Speaker 7: of that like affirmation that it just like allowed us
Speaker 7: to just be. But yeah, no, it's just it's something
Speaker 7: I've been thinking a lot about as like I've started
Speaker 7: working with actors and as a.
Speaker 2: Director, So tell us about that. What are you up to?
Speaker 7: So I wrote and directed my first short film, like
Speaker 7: this past fall, I produced a feature film that's gonna
Speaker 7: be premiering at a festival that I don't think is
Speaker 7: officially announced yet, but it's very exciting.
Speaker 1: Okay, what's the name of the movie, just we can
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for it. Yeah, it's called Honest
Speaker 1: on a String.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I love acting and I love telling stories
Speaker 7: in that way, but I've also fallen in love with
Speaker 7: with directing, and it's been really cool seeing you know,
Speaker 7: obviously today that's just such a norm actors, directing, writing,
Speaker 7: et cetera.
Speaker 6: But it's funny like looking back and even.
Speaker 7: You know, when I started, it was it wasn't really
Speaker 7: as much of a thing, you know, especially for women.
Speaker 2: And did you continue watching SU after you did your episode,
Speaker 2: like as a family or did it kind of change everything?
Speaker 6: That's a good question.
Speaker 7: I remember we because we were religious about it, like
Speaker 7: every week, you know, I had a dance to the
Speaker 7: theme song, and after the first time I was on it,
Speaker 7: we just sort of stopped and we didn't have a Sasiz.
Speaker 1: Made you lost the magic? Yeah it did. Did you
Speaker 1: watch your episode?
Speaker 2: Of course your family and how did your fai like
Speaker 2: parents react to seeing you in this. I mean, your
Speaker 2: mom was on set.
Speaker 6: But my parents are really funny. They were I think
Speaker 6: they were just.
Speaker 7: Like Yeah, like that's our girl, Like that's our girl,
Speaker 7: like walking in such our daughter's passion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Well wait, I have to ask you obviously about your
Speaker 1: big break film, Little Manhattan, that I don't know. The
Speaker 1: Internet says that you just you just booked this off
Speaker 1: of an open call? Is that factual? Because the Internet
Speaker 1: lies all the time?
Speaker 7: Good question, because yeah, I do feel like there are
Speaker 7: so many sort of fictional pr stories out there, but.
Speaker 6: This one was wildly true.
Speaker 2: Wait, what is the first stutted movie?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to see this.
Speaker 1: This movie, Lisa, I thought you would like. I thought
Speaker 1: it's got Cynthia Nixon our face.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Bradley Whitford, Willie Garson from Another City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've had Josh pa Us on the podcast We're Gonna
Speaker 1: Get Bradley Whitford one day and Josh Hutcherts. Did I
Speaker 1: mean it's like star studded. Wait, this is so cute.
Speaker 1: I need to see this. So I remember this movie
Speaker 1: coming out and seeing like a clip of it or.
Speaker 2: The preview of Dylan's candy Bar shirt and this picture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so amazing.
Speaker 1: I remember because your character's name is Rosemary, and that's
Speaker 1: my mom's name.
Speaker 3: And I was like, isn't that that's so sweet? A
Speaker 3: little girl with my mom's name or.
Speaker 1: Whatever, Like it just stuck in my head because of that,
Speaker 1: And also I think I lived in Manhattan by this time,
Speaker 1: but that this movie came out, but I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: it must be so cool to be a kid in Manhattan.
Speaker 1: But you also wore a kid in Manhattan, So tell
Speaker 1: us about like making this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I think it was really The writer directors
Speaker 5: were a husband and wife, lovely, awesome, cool team and
Speaker 5: they I think really it was one of those examples
Speaker 5: of in casting, it's like you can look for the
Speaker 5: actor who is the best.
Speaker 7: Actor, or the person or the person the actor who's
Speaker 7: the person you know.
Speaker 6: I'm saying that in a weird, convoluted way.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was like a weird I my aunt in
Speaker 7: Long Island saw ad in the newspaper for an open
Speaker 7: call audition and mistakenly thought it was an American girl
Speaker 7: doll movie, okay, and.
Speaker 6: I was into American girl dolls.
Speaker 7: And I remember I couldn't like make the open call
Speaker 7: because I had a piano recital or something. But I
Speaker 7: made like this collage because I had never I had
Speaker 7: never auditioned before. I had never I didn't have an
Speaker 7: agent or anything. I just like made a clause of
Speaker 7: like different photos of myself and it was like Meet
Speaker 7: Charlie because I was like sort of channeling American girl.
Speaker 6: Anyway.
Speaker 7: It was not it had nothing to do with American
Speaker 7: girl dolls, but anyway, it was like, you know, a
Speaker 7: million They had already cast Josh. He was like seasoned
Speaker 7: veteran already by then, and I think they just wanted
Speaker 7: a girl who was like just a real New York
Speaker 7: you know, I.
Speaker 6: Grew up downtowns.
Speaker 7: It was very different, but I think they just wanted
Speaker 7: like a.
Speaker 6: A real New York City kid or something.
Speaker 7: And it was again, I mean, I was definitely I
Speaker 7: definitely realized it was not a normal thing at the time.
Speaker 6: But you know, as I as I got older, as
Speaker 6: I realized.
Speaker 8: What a shit storm of a difficult you know, profession
Speaker 8: and auditioning and all that stuff it was, I definitely
Speaker 8: sort of fell into a once in a lifetime sort
Speaker 8: of experience.
Speaker 6: And then I you know, I just like rolled up
Speaker 6: to set and of course, like my first day.
Speaker 7: On set was shooting with Cynthia Nixon, and as I mentioned,
Speaker 7: my parents let me watch anything, so I had already
Speaker 7: been watching Sex in the City by that I was
Speaker 7: like a huge fan and I was.
Speaker 6: I threw up because I was so nervous, and I
Speaker 6: was just like, oh my god, what's going on?
Speaker 7: But yeah, it was just like really fun and I
Speaker 7: just did it and then it was like, Okay, I
Speaker 7: guess I like acting.
Speaker 3: That's wow.
Speaker 1: And then do you and your little on screen boyfriend,
Speaker 1: Josh Hutchardson keep in touch.
Speaker 6: No, I haven't talked to Josh in a while. That
Speaker 6: would be. That would be I remember, like I was also.
Speaker 7: I had later done a pilot that was like never
Speaker 7: picked up a CBS pilot, and Jennifer Lawrence was in
Speaker 7: the pilot as well, like just a day player role
Speaker 7: like as my friend or something and humble brag.
Speaker 6: But I just remember like being in college.
Speaker 7: I went to Northwestern, I majored in theater, and I
Speaker 7: was like struggling to get cast in, you know, my
Speaker 7: the student theater production that I wanted, and then I
Speaker 7: remember it was the same time, like Hunger Games were
Speaker 7: blowing up, and it was like.
Speaker 6: Josh Utterson and Jennifer Lords, and I was like, I
Speaker 6: made a huge mistake. Oh god, yeah, but yeah I was.
Speaker 7: I was his first kiss. And I hope that's not
Speaker 7: my biggest claim to fame in life.
Speaker 1: Oh but it's so you like, I don't know, you're
Speaker 1: so cute in that, You're so like like that.
Speaker 3: I just remember the cover of it so well.
Speaker 1: Also, I just looked up that married couple that wrote
Speaker 1: and directed it really quickly and they co created Big Mouth,
Speaker 1: Huge hitch show that's out now.
Speaker 6: Yes, crazy and Jennifer back from.
Speaker 1: Two sweet little kids walking around New York falling in
Speaker 1: love to kids humping pillows and one of the most
Speaker 1: pervy shows out there. I know, that's so funny.
Speaker 6: They were, they're they're they're awesome. They're so cool.
Speaker 3: This is so exciting. Yeah, so much.
Speaker 1: About this film you made when you were just a baby. This,
Speaker 1: I mean this episode of TV you made and the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to meet Belinda, I am thrilled. Belinda whole passion forever. Well,
Speaker 1: she was delightful to love a city kid that she's
Speaker 1: loved talking to. I love talking to a city a
Speaker 1: city kid, Yeah, Manhattan kid. She's getting into directing. We
Speaker 1: need more ladies behind the camera tooo, so the female
Speaker 1: show runner at SVU and we got Charlotte ray Rosenberg
Speaker 1: behind the camp camera now.
Speaker 2: Well, and to give a shout out to the survival
Speaker 2: of the thickest seventy percent women and people of color crew.
Speaker 2: So that's cool, yes, huge, yes, yeah, and it's like
Speaker 2: a great set to be a yeah yeah yeah. Women
Speaker 2: directors killing it. Oh my god, that's episode horrific. What
Speaker 2: I can't stop singing where in the middle of a
Speaker 2: hot stop take over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so good. I sing it like all day long.
Speaker 2: As ye lady in office this episode. Oh this is
Speaker 2: too late. I wonder if married women are gonna have
Speaker 2: the right to vote or not. We'll see. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about it next intro. The vote's happening. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Also the head of like, now we're just gonna start
Speaker 1: like reporting all this like it's funny.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: The head of Congress, the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson,
Speaker 1: just made sure that if you're in Congress and you
Speaker 1: just had a baby, you cannot vote remotely. They do
Speaker 1: not want anybody voting remote people.
Speaker 2: People have been bringing their babies, but you.
Speaker 1: Better get you better pack up, put your diaper on
Speaker 1: and get your ass to DC after you've given birth,
Speaker 1: something that a man could never fucking do.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, but yeah, so if your birth certificate
Speaker 2: doesn't change, doesn't bet your ID, and you don't have
Speaker 2: a passport, you're not gonna be able to vote the
Speaker 2: Party of Family Values.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Uh, this episode wild, this episode crazy. As we
Speaker 1: said always, I'll never forget that fucking tattoo as long.
Speaker 3: As I live.
Speaker 1: It's literally part of the logo of my kids school,
Speaker 1: Like it's like a little pawprint, and every time I
Speaker 1: see it, I'm like, that looks like the fucking underbelly tattoo.
Speaker 1: But oh, we gotta keep we gotta keep these teen
Speaker 1: girls away from these fucking bad guys.
Speaker 3: We gotta.
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for Belinda. She was between to
Speaker 2: rock in a hard place.
Speaker 1: She can't go back to Ohio, she can't be with
Speaker 1: a pimp who's got himself wrapped up inside of a
Speaker 1: sleeper sofa.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm honestly just thinking about the women voting now,
Speaker 2: I know, Zara.
Speaker 1: I threw a wrench in to the post mortem this
Speaker 1: week for what would Sister Peg Do? We're our weekly
Speaker 1: segment where we direct you towards an organization and article,
Speaker 1: a book, whatever we are going to point you to
Speaker 1: Protect All Children from Trafficking. This is an organization called
Speaker 1: Protect All Children from Trafficking abbreviated to PACKED. This is
Speaker 1: the first US organization to focus on the commercial sexual
Speaker 1: exploitation of children. They offer educational initiatives, legislative advocacy, and
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