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Speaker 1: Good mornings, sweet world, and welcome to the No Dunks

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Speaker 1: Podcast presented by FanDuel. It's Thursday, May twenty eighth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six on Jay Skeets here in the Classic Factory

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Speaker 1: and alongside me as always task Melis.

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Speaker 2: Lovers of basketball, this is for you.

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Speaker 1: star ratings and reviews. No NBA playoffs on last night,

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Speaker 1: No problem, because we got a supersized edition of the

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Speaker 1: Updown Report.

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Speaker 3: Let's do Pattie walk Sums up, Sums down play along

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Speaker 3: in the stream team live on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get right into it because we got a

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Speaker 1: lot here. The NBA has warned Victor wembin Yama for

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Speaker 1: violating media access rules after he did not speak to

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Speaker 1: reporters following the Spurs Game five loss. We thought he

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Speaker 1: might get a fine for not facing the music, but nope,

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Speaker 1: just a warning, buddy, don't do that again. Upper Down

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Speaker 1: TK on Wemby getting off with just the warning here

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Speaker 1: for violating the media access rules.

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Speaker 3: I'm down. Oh just a slap on the wrist. Come on,

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Speaker 3: this is protecting him too much. The reason he makes

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Speaker 3: the big bucks is because of these media deals, and

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Speaker 3: part of the media deals is speaking to the media

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Speaker 3: after you have a good game and after you have

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Speaker 3: a bad game. How are we going to get Victor

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Speaker 3: wembin Yama's equivalent of Lebron James telling his haters they

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Speaker 3: have to go on living their sad lives after a

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Speaker 3: bad game. We'll never get that if he keeps skipping

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Speaker 3: out when he has bad games. I think you throw

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Speaker 3: in the no fine for elbowing nas Reed in the throat.

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Speaker 3: You can even throw in the keeping the NBA Cup

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Speaker 3: game as qualification for his postseason awards. They're treating this

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Speaker 3: guy with kid gloves, and really they should be over

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Speaker 3: indexing on fines. If there's a chance to find Victor Webbanama,

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Speaker 3: do it, because finds don't affect the games. You can

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Speaker 3: under index on punishments if something else happens. If you

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Speaker 3: find him, yeah, we just find him twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to suspend him for this game. I

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Speaker 3: think it's smarter to come down and ask for twenty

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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars as a donation rather than sud spending

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Speaker 3: him for a game or something like that. But this

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Speaker 3: is part of being a superstar, answering questions from people

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Speaker 3: when things go poorly.

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Speaker 2: I'm both up and down.

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Speaker 4: I'm up in that they didn't find him because number one,

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Speaker 4: he's good with the media. Number Two, this has happened

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Speaker 4: in playoffs past, where guys like Devin Booker eliminated from

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Speaker 4: the playoffs just doesn't go and do it. When he

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Speaker 4: got eliminated by the Nuggets, he goes out, he gets warning,

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Speaker 4: he gets a warning. If it happens again, like if

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Speaker 4: it happens with Wemby, I think he will be fine.

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Speaker 4: I think this is the absolute last time that he

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Speaker 4: does it, because NBA officials have come out and said, look,

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Speaker 4: a warning is given when players don't participate in postgame mediavilility.

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Speaker 4: They do it again, you're fine and again. Wemby has

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Speaker 4: been incredible this season. He has given us as fans

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Speaker 4: so many sound bites because he has been good at

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Speaker 4: the other side of things. I am kind of down

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Speaker 4: because I wanted him as mad as possible here for

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Speaker 4: game six, if this was going to ignite him at all,

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Speaker 4: if he really cares at all, and so instead of

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Speaker 4: pulling the victor wemban yea, I'm I gonna sneak out

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Speaker 4: of here. You know that he did at the end

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Speaker 4: of Game five, So he.

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Speaker 2: Snuck out the back.

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Speaker 4: It's unfortunate, but this will be a one time thing.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's ever gonna do it again as

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Speaker 4: far as he goes with his team, Like, I think

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Speaker 4: that that sets a bad example for his teammates. So

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Speaker 4: I think he will never do this again in all honesty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in twenty twenty three, I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were citing these examples. It was Jimmy Butler, it

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Speaker 1: was Dylan Brooks. They got twenty five thousand dollars fines

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Speaker 1: for doing something similar, just not speaking to reporters. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know for sure. Was there a warning for

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Speaker 1: both those guys. Yeah, the first time they did it,

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Speaker 1: and then they did it again, and that's when you

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Speaker 1: get hit with the twenty five thousand dollars. Fine, Yeah

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Speaker 1: that's the case then, okay, great, Yeah, if Wemby is

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Speaker 1: nine or game seven or into the finals. If he

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Speaker 1: does it again, like you said, tests, then of course

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Speaker 1: you have to find him then. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: people when you accumulate all these things that maybe they

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Speaker 1: the kids cloves on. As you said TK, I think

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Speaker 1: that's also fair. So I mean, in the end, who

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Speaker 1: knows why he did it too, And that's the part

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Speaker 1: of the problem, like why he did skip out. Would

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Speaker 1: that change your opinion at all? If you were to

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Speaker 1: learn I don't know, something heaven forbid with family related

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Speaker 1: or I guess it could be an illness or something,

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Speaker 1: is it change your opinion at all?

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Speaker 3: I mean he would give him a valid reason, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you'd have to be able to ask him to know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't seem like it was illness.

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Speaker 4: After watching the game and him playing even harder, playing

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Speaker 4: closer to the bucket and the second half, doesn't feel

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Speaker 4: like it was something that he he couldn't play with.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, we all wanted to ask the questions.

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Speaker 4: But again, he won that award for being great with

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Speaker 4: the media because he has been good so high weigh

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Speaker 4: it all, and then those guys that you said got fined,

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Speaker 4: they have definitely skipped it before. I mean, Jimmy Baldy

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Speaker 4: doesn't go to All Star games at that time. He

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Speaker 4: just won't show up. So I think that's part of it.

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Speaker 4: If you if you had a bad rep, then yeah,

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Speaker 4: find him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on. Sticking with the alien, Wemby's one

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Speaker 1: of one numbered card has sold for five point one

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Speaker 1: one million dollars in a private sale. Look at this

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Speaker 1: thing here on YouTube. That's a twenty twenty three twenty

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Speaker 1: four Panini Prism black Parallel again one of one. You

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Speaker 1: can see the one on one.

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Speaker 2: On the back.

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Speaker 1: It's by far the most ever spent on a Wemby

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Speaker 1: card and the fourth highest publicly known sale of an

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Speaker 1: NBA card. It's also the most expensive known sale of

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Speaker 1: a non autographed NBA card. Up or down on this

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Speaker 1: Wemby rookie card selling for five point one one million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I'll start with you here.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go up this. I don't think this is

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Speaker 4: a recency bias. If if he doesn't end up having

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Speaker 4: an incredible career, then obviously has a lot of money

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Speaker 4: for somebody that being said, yeah, I'm buying in the

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Speaker 4: fourth most for an NBA card ever, only Jordan, Kobe

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Speaker 4: and Lebron having more than that. I mean, so really

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Speaker 4: we're talking about getting into that realm of player. So

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Speaker 4: I'm fine with it because I do.

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Speaker 2: I do buy it.

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Speaker 4: It was like basically like five times the most he

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Speaker 4: had for his previous high of a sold card, which

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Speaker 4: was eight hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: So is that recency bias?

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Speaker 4: And that did you see him in game one? This

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Speaker 4: all happened after game one of the Western Conference Final,

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Speaker 4: and that's where But I'm buying it. I'm buying it

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Speaker 4: in that he's going to be really really really really

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Speaker 4: really really good.

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Speaker 1: I do like it, Okay, I do like you like

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Speaker 1: the black curtain behind him, Yeah, I thought that was

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Speaker 1: a black background, but that is just a black curtain. No,

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Speaker 1: it was shot you know at their photo you rookie

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Speaker 1: photo shoot, photo shoot for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some people like the cards. Some people are like, are

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Speaker 1: you kidding me? That is an absolutely atrocious looking card. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's a part of I guess the IP simple look

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Speaker 1: to a card, the the new owner of the card,

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Speaker 1: the buyer. He said that he thinks this is wem

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Speaker 1: Benyama's best card. TK.

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Speaker 3: That's what I would say too if I spent five million.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably probably, But let me add to that, wem

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Speaker 1: Minyama has no efficiently officially licensed autographed rookie cards because

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Speaker 1: he is under an exclusive contract with Fanatics and the

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Speaker 1: rival card maker. At the time, the maker of this card, Panini,

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Speaker 1: held the exclusive rights to the NBA Trading card license,

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Speaker 1: so he was he came in at a weird time

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Speaker 1: here between the transfer of the license to the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So that's why maybe this one, despite it not being

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Speaker 1: autographed to the buyer here TK, this is his best card,

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Speaker 1: his rookie deal. Yeah sure, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, if I spent five million dollars, I'd

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Speaker 3: be telling everybody it's the best. And the guy is

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Speaker 3: like trying to compare this to owning a sports team.

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Speaker 3: This ain't the same as owning a sports team. Down

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Speaker 3: down on this. Too much for a card, too much,

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Speaker 3: simply too much for a card, right, this is five

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Speaker 3: point one one million dollars. Webby gets none of it, Like,

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Speaker 3: this is just between the guy and the seller. I'm

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Speaker 3: altered as well. Well, you have some controversy, some controversy

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Speaker 3: surrounding it. Did he get cleaned, did he get rewaxed?

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Speaker 3: This is silly, This is a silly amount of money.

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Speaker 1: But it's insane.

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Speaker 2: But he could be good. He could be worth it

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Speaker 2: if he's if he's the best.

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Speaker 3: One of the five best players ever. Yeah, pretty much.

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Speaker 3: And look, I think he could be. I think it's

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Speaker 4: As long as it's not one of those situations like

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Speaker 4: when Wemby had a jersey swap with that kid. He

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Speaker 4: It sure feels like some older person took that jersey

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Speaker 4: and sold it immediately. Then I'm good with this. It's

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Speaker 4: a lot of money, Well, that's there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 4: When you look at like Jordan, Kobe and Lebron sold

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Speaker 4: for way more double and more double nearly triple.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, but that makes.

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Speaker 1: Sense, Yeah exactly, But they are established in the pantheon

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Speaker 1: of greatest players of all time. This is but a

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Speaker 1: week is somebody obviously betting on that that exact Wemby

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Speaker 1: will be either the goat or at least in the

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Speaker 4: As we sat at this desk a mere week ago

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Speaker 4: when he did it in Game one, we talked about

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Speaker 4: him being one of the best ever. The man has

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Speaker 4: I assume a lot of money to spend, and he's

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Speaker 4: making that purchase.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair assumption. I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: this guy has just he only has five point two

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Speaker 1: five million dollars in his bank account. He's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: putting it all into Wemby. He probably has billions, if

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Speaker 1: not one hundreds of millions, So.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have enough to buy a part of a team. No,

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Speaker 3: that's what I gained from reading that.

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Speaker 1: It's a good point.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I'm rich, but I'm not that rich. You

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Speaker 3: tell people you own ten percent of the Lakers, and

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Speaker 3: they say, you don't own the Lakers, but you can

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Speaker 3: own a one hundred percent of this card. So he's

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Speaker 3: spending his money on that.

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Speaker 4: Well, how much do minority owners have to spend? The

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Speaker 1: Vegas Aces coach Becky Hammond said in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 3: when it became less Brunson centric. As soon as Karl

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Speaker 3: it's NBA history. I'm not just saying that I don't

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Speaker 4: It is the argument as old as time. But I'm

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Speaker 4: As you said, it's a different team. She said it

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Speaker 1: Yes, but let's be honest here, if the Knicks win,

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Speaker 2: What she's like.

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Speaker 3: I said this two years ago. People still care.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 1: If your best player is small, you're not winning. And

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Speaker 1: I mean that was her point. It's like this almost

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Speaker 2: Like Steph could be picked on, Jalen Brunson could be

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Speaker 4: List of do you have an incredible player that's not

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Speaker 1: It's very tough in these leagues to be the smallest

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Speaker 1: And I don't think Jalen Brunson is going to be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a different game than when Isaiah Thomas

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Speaker 1: Next one here. The lawyers for Shay Gildess Alexander have

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Speaker 1: Up or down on SGA's lawyers issuing a seasoned desist

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm down because they could have made the game better.

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Speaker 4: I think, I think when you're going into those little

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Speaker 1: Instead of a bus Just good, that's good task.

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Speaker 4: They could do it. I'm sure they could pull it off.

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Speaker 4: So I'm down on that. But the company got what

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Speaker 4: this is exactly what they want. It went viral. They'll

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Speaker 3: You can't.

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Speaker 4: So both parts did well, but again, switch it up.

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Speaker 4: I like those little hands that come in and they're tiny,

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Speaker 1: games be that maybe laugh and that Underdog not use

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Speaker 1: SGA's name, image, or likeness without his permission. I think

436
00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: this is the thing here. It's like, you know, there's

437
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: a satire obviously element to this, But then they were

438
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 1: using Shay's name in tweets, like his full name, to

439
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: obviously promote their company and try and get more people

440
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: to sign up, and maybe that they just went a

441
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: little too far with this is obviously what his lawyers think,

442
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Speaker 1: But what do you think?

443
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Speaker 3: T k Oh?

444
00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think.

445
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Speaker 3: I'm up on this ultimately because I think it's funny

446
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 3: that they did it. But I also think, of course

447
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,679
Speaker 3: his business team is going to sue him.

448
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Speaker 2: Here.

449
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Speaker 3: I recall Michael Jordan when he went into the Hall

450
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: of Fame, eventually had to sue jewel Osco and Dominic's

451
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 3: to like Chicago area food chains because they thanked Michael

452
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 3: Jordan and honored him. But they put his name in

453
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: and they're like, you can't use my name. I'm Michael Jordan.

454
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: He's suing Dominic's for nine million dollars because they said

455
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Speaker 3: thank you, Michael. So this happens, and this is even

456
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 3: more reason than that. Like just put them in a

457
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 3: jersey with number two on it, everybody's going to get

458
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 3: who it is. But instead the AI slop it and

459
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 3: make it look exactly like SGA. So there's no question

460
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 3: about who we're even talking about here.

461
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Speaker 1: They tweets, they used like actual photos of SGA.

462
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Speaker 3: His name.

463
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 1: Again, I think they just they went right up to

464
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Speaker 1: the line and then they crossed over it, and then

465
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Speaker 1: that probably warranted these seasoned desists letters.

466
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

467
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Speaker 1: That's sort of my opinion on it too, because some

468
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: people are like, what's the big deal? This is harmless again,

469
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,720
Speaker 1: it's satire. Uh, you know every second tweet is about

470
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: SGA and the flopping, So what are you going to do?

471
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Speaker 1: Start sending season desist letters to every you know, Tom

472
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: Dick and Harry on Twitter? And then people are like, well,

473
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Speaker 1: you know, how is this any different than Game of Zones? Right, Like,

474
00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: you know that was like poking fun of a lot

475
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: of players in that cartoon. But yeah, it's it's the

476
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: using the likeness and the name and the image to

477
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Speaker 1: then sell a product here, that's they just what I

478
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,399
Speaker 1: think they just went too far with it.

479
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you could have d video games. You

480
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 4: know the name Michael Jordan, so it's very similar.

481
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Speaker 2: Yep.

482
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Speaker 1: What do you think of the discourse right now around

483
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Speaker 1: this series and SGA and the flopping? And I bring

484
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 1: that up because Silver was on I guess Pat McAfee

485
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 1: had like a primetime show last night talking to all

486
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Speaker 1: the commissioners. Flopping came up. Silver's like, oh, it's not

487
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: really an issue. The officiating is incredible, right, So it's incredible.

488
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 1: Then he went in this whole thing. We're gonna have

489
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Speaker 1: like you know, hawkeye cameras to help with like out

490
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: of bounds things and all that. That's a whole other issue.

491
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Speaker 1: But just right now, the discourse around this sport deflating

492
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Speaker 1: to you whatever, like we've done that before. What's your take.

493
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Speaker 3: I think we just have too much time off in

494
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: between games because you open up any app and it's

495
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 3: just a compilation of SGA flops if you want to

496
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: call them, selling the contact whatever it is. Then you

497
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 3: look at Reddit and it's just like eighteen different threads

498
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: on foul discrepancies. Of course, you're seeing a lot of

499
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 3: things going around today's IT'SGA so far in the playoffs

500
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 3: more free throws made than shots made, one hundred and

501
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: twenty free throws to one hundred and fourteen made shots

502
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 3: this far. So then the Okace people have to go

503
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 3: and defend their guy and then it's like, no, we're

504
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: going to see how many times he falls down per shot.

505
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 3: It's just like, oh my goodness, this is too much. Yeah,

506
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: for a team that is on the precipice of being

507
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 3: a dynasty that will at least be competitive they won

508
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 3: last year, they might win this year. Even if the

509
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: Spurs jump over them, they're still going to be in

510
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: the mix for the next three seasons. You have to

511
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: think this is a dynastic sort of team and they're despised,

512
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: Like that's pretty crazy. That doesn't happen. Usually dynasties are

513
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: beloved at least at the beginning, and then people turn

514
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Speaker 3: on them and when they've had a long term turn

515
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: of success, Yeah, this has been one year and they're like, nope,

516
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: we hate these guys.

517
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Speaker 1: They hate the way they play, is what they say. Yeah,

518
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: they I think what they hate more than anything is

519
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: that they are they again, these are like the haters

520
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: that the Oklahoma City Thunder are are allowed to play

521
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 1: so physical on one end, but then on the other

522
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: end embellish and flop and try and sell calls and

523
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 1: try and game the system. And they think they do

524
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Speaker 1: it more than other teams, and I think that's debatable.

525
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you see the tweets and it's like they

526
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: try and lead you to believe that he falls down

527
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: on every play and that's all they do, and it's like, no,

528
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: that's they don't.

529
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 2: He doesn't.

530
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: But it's just it's just packaged that way online and

531
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: it just like catches fire because people have an opinion

532
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: about it, and like if you actually watch the games

533
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: and you still feel away. Sure, but I'm convinced that

534
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: half these people and like half the people on Twitter

535
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: aren't even real anyway, they're just bots. So you're just

536
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: in the end arguing with like robots. But anyway, what

537
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: do you think of what Silver said last night and

538
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Speaker 1: the whole flopping issue.

539
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Speaker 4: Well, there's two things as far as social media goes.

540
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 4: It's just hard to listen, too hard to read. So

541
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 4: get off the for you tab and get onto the

542
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: following tab of the people you're following rather than the Uh,

543
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: we're just gonna spit out things you know throughout the world,

544
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: not just in basketball, but stuff you just get hit with.

545
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: So it is difficult.

546
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 4: It's definitely difficult to read and listen to it because

547
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: then you start getting into arguments about numbers and all that.

548
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: It's just it's just tough to read.

549
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: Just to ignore it.

550
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 4: Well, sure, listen, okay sees guys, they are trying to

551
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: max out the amount of calls that they can get,

552
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 4: like anybody does, like any as sports team does. You

553
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: get bumped, they're going to take it. I love, Okay,

554
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 4: the one and now I'm getting sucked in. The one

555
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 4: Twitter conversation that I didn't mind was seeing, oh, this

556
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 4: is the difference between Steph and how Steph used to

557
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 4: do it. Steph tried to sell it in his own

558
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 4: way and get his whistles too, by throwing his legs out,

559
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: throwing his body around. SGA's being a different doing it

560
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 4: a different way, and that he gets calls if he

561
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 4: hits the floor. If you fall, you get the call.

562
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 4: And I think that's the rule that Adam Silver is

563
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 4: going to talk about the point of emphasis this offseason

564
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 4: with the officials and all that. So I think they're

565
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 4: just doing what they're supposed to be doing. Okay, So

566
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 4: he's just trying to get calls mm hm. As simple

567
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: as that, as far as the uh oh the hawkeye

568
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: ai as Adam Silver called it, that's not gonna work.

569
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 4: As far as as far as he's referring to tennis

570
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: and how we have the cameras be able to tell

571
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 4: if the ball bounces out of bounds. He was referring

572
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 4: to specifically about balls going off guys out of bounds,

573
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 4: and that cameras will be able to determine that instantly.

574
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 4: How are you gonna be able to tell if a

575
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: ball goes off somebody's foot All you have to do

576
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 4: is go to secaucas don't even go to SECA. I

577
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 4: shouldn't say go to secaucas because the NBA referees don't

578
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 4: have to do that, the the league office, the replay center.

579
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 4: All they have to do is call and say that

580
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 4: was off chet Holmgren's foot.

581
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: Done and done. Like cameras aren't Hawkeye cameras are not

582
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: saying that, They're.

583
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: Like it's I.

584
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: I sort of picture him saying, like they're working together

585
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: in that regard. These cameras and the AI ability sure

586
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: instantly detect who is off of along with officials in

587
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: secocus or wherever they are. Should just make it fast.

588
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,959
Speaker 1: Okay you've been saying like for years, Yeah, I've been

589
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: wanting that.

590
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Scott can call. They're watching all these replays come in.

591
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 4: So this is specifically about just balls that go out

592
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: of bounds and off of people's body parts. It's pretty

593
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 4: tough to tell with a camera. I would say if

594
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: we touch, if we touch a ball together, and yeah,

595
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 4: oh nice. Actually I can't believe you got just my

596
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 4: fingers doing that.

597
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 3: See, I think they're going to be able to do it.

599
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 3: The technology is good enough that they'll be able to tell.

600
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: They've been doing it in tennis for a decade.

601
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's just on a line. That's just static

602
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 4: finger you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a static element

603
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: where it's That doesn't happen in basketball with athletes, like

604
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 4: that's so different, or they do it in soccer if

605
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 4: a ball is crossing a line. I don't even know

606
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: if they do it in hockey if they crosses the

607
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 4: goal line, but that's just that's way different. Anyways, I

608
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 4: obviously you use it if you can use it, but

609
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: I don't think that's going to be the case immediately.

610
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: Miniu McCutcheon. Just be on the phone at all times.

611
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: We need to go to the caucus less. No, yeah,

612
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: no seeds up reviews at all.

613
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 2: It's good, Yeah, totally. I totally wanted to speed up.

614
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: But the call has to come from the video center

615
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: directly to the scorer's table or directly into the ear

616
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 4: of the referee.

617
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: Do that it comes from there. You super have to.

618
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 1: Also see said thing. I can't just now. I mean,

619
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Speaker 1: especially people already think it's like fixed. Now you're just

620
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: going to be telling me every major call, whatever call

621
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: is just like somebody from the NBA control center just

622
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: like their ball, and everyone's going to like, what hold on?

623
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: What we've got to see it.

624
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: As a consumer of the product, you could definitely just

625
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 4: replay one angle the production the production truck can be

626
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: able to just say go for replay, show you in

627
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: four seconds as they're inbounding the ball of what happened.

628
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: That's it, But the replay center has to make the

629
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: call and make the call from there.

630
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: I think. But anyway, AI.

631
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Speaker 4: Support it totally of a AI totally supportive of AI.

632
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: Can it be implemented with clip theeen seventeen the size

633
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 4: seventeen foot of somebody nearing the sideline and who had

634
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: hit off of I doubt that is it used in

635
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: any other sport when it comes to not just a line,

636
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 4: that's different.

637
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: That's different to me.

638
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 4: They use Hawkeyes in NBA arenas now at all times,

639
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 4: but it's not implemented as far as Oh, it's.

640
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: A lot of it's a lot of like you're saying,

641
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: foot on the three point line?

642
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 2: Is it a two?

643
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: Is it a three? You know that part Yeah, they

644
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: already do that, which is fine, and that seems they've

645
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: gotten pretty good at it. It doesn't seem to ruin

646
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the flow of a game as much.

647
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 4: But I think Adam was taking the question about flopping

648
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: and just you know, no segue into this is what

649
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: we're trying to.

650
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: Do with stuff.

651
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: Well, it's just he and he's doing the whole thing

652
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: like and he's right. I'm not like I'm rolling my

653
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: eyes out it. But it's like it's like there's contact

654
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: when you play professional basketball, then there is selling said contact,

655
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: and then there is flopping. And it's like some people

656
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: don't see a difference between any of what I just said.

657
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: They all look at it as one thing. But can

658
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: you sell and is that different than an actual flop?

659
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: What is the difference? Well, one for sure is like

660
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't even touch you, and you tried to game

661
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: the system by firing your head back and doing all that.

662
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: Now that's very difficult still to call in real time.

663
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: It is.

664
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Speaker 1: I do not want to offend the officials. I hate

665
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Speaker 1: these guys.

666
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 4: Ay cameras can do it, Yeah, I mean I guess

667
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 4: they can, but I also think it's silly because then

668
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: what are we like, well, it's not going to be

669
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 4: a sport.

670
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: We're just gonna be stopping every second play. This is

671
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: so silly, Like I would get rid of all of

672
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: this until maybe the last minute of a game balls

673
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: out on you at the eight minute mark of the

674
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: second and it was like, actually off of me? Who

675
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: gives a shit? Honestly, That's how I feel about it.

676
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: I think it all comes out in the wash in

677
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: the end a little bit. Now we need big, big

678
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: like replays, reviews when it does matter in the final

679
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: couple possessions. Yes, I get that, but we're trying to

680
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: make it an enjoyable, entertaining sport to watch too. Yeah,

681
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch more shots of people looking

682
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: at monitor.

683
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 4: AI is not going to be able to interpret whether

684
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 4: a flop is selling or not. That's not possible.

685
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: It's yep, that's it.

686
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 3: I think they should not tell us the score of

687
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: the game until the last minute, and then we'll like

688
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: add up all the step on a free on a line,

689
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 3: was he out of bounds? We'll just keep all of

690
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 3: that under wraps in the last We'll play forty seven minutes.

691
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: At the end, they're like, guess what, it's three point

692
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: game and you got the ball and you make a shot,

693
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 3: We'll find out what do you make though of SJ

694
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: having more free throws than made shots?

695
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: What do I make of it? And he missed a

696
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of shots? Great defense, He's missed a lot of shots.

697
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm mean, MJ. Kobe Wade Curry.

698
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 3: Never once Curry had a season where he had more

699
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: threes than free throws made in postseason. That's pretty amazing.

700
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

701
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: James Hard six times after leading Okay, see including this year,

702
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 3: did he have more free throws made than shots made?

703
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Right?

704
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's Look, there are a couple guys that

705
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: are very very good at creating contact and then embellishing contact.

706
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: And because they're so good, there's such talented players offensively

707
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: that means defenses need to play them closer, get under them,

708
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: which then opens up a whole much many more opportunities

709
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: for subjective calls. You know, there are people saying that

710
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: he actually falls down because it's a smart thing to

711
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: do in terms of like not rolling your ankle and

712
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, Beads talked about this. Siakam

713
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: is like a guy that's talked about this this idea

714
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of like it's almost like beneficial for me to fall over.

715
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: I think it goes back to what you said though,

716
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: tests you know, you call, you get the fall. Cut

717
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: that out. That's the thing. Sorry, I said it backwards.

718
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: If you fall, you get the call, Try and cut

719
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: that out as much as possible, because it's an actual disadvantage.

720
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: It's it is like soccer and flopping when that was

721
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: a pandemic.

722
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: Adam Silver must love it. You must love watching guys

723
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: flop soccer.

724
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: But they cleaned it up a bit because they're like, hey,

725
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: just because you went down first off, you can penalize

726
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: them if you do think it was a flop. Again,

727
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: it's subjective, but maybe it makes the guy stop doing

728
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: it the next time as much if it's going to

729
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: be like hurting your team yellow card potentially obviously adding

730
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: up to being pulled off the off the pitch, But

731
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: I like, so maybe just have to penalize it and

732
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: they'll get some wrong, but it will like in the end,

733
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: weed out some of the more egregious floppers so to speak,

734
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: or people that are really trying to draw this stuff

735
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: because nobody likes it. Like, no, I haven't seen besides

736
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: maybe Adam Silver, nobody is sitting going. I want to

737
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: see more flopping and more free throws and stuff like that.

738
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

739
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 4: Again, the word flopping is harsh, Yeah, because it's they're

740
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: selling it.

741
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: There's no doubt.

742
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: But the referees have to go into this offseason and say,

743
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: a guy falling on the floor does not mean it's

744
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 4: a foul. Yes, I mean they have to figure it.

745
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: I mean it's difficult to obviously to a there's no

746
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 4: doubt about that. But they also have to get rid

747
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: of which seems to be happening more over the last

748
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 4: few months than at the beginning of the season. Was

749
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 4: guys being able to sell a non natural shooting motion

750
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: ball fake. There's a guy who jumps in the air

751
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: and then suddenly the shooter is a missile, is a

752
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: projectile and goes like horizontal parallel to the floor. A

753
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 4: non natural shooting motion gets a whistle that's wrong, that

754
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 4: shouldn't happen, And they sort of got rid of that.

755
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 4: We sat here and complained about it. They sort of

756
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: got rid of that, and now it seems to be

757
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 4: happening way more so. Yeah, it's up to the referees.

758
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 4: It's a little unfortunate. Shae is getting a ton of calls.

759
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 4: There is no doubt about that. He's also the whole

760
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: fricking team. That guy is the whole team. He's also

761
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: leading the NBA and assists this postseason, so he's doing

762
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: a lot. He is doing a lot. You check all

763
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: the stats, He's doing everything, and if he's going to

764
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: continue to miss, then the Spurs are going to beat

765
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 4: him and then there'll be a whole new conversation. So

766
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 4: I mean his teammates are coming through. He's coming through

767
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 4: with the assists. Anyway, enough enough.

768
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: Next one.

769
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: According to our guy Tim Bontemps, the NBA is considering

770
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: televising the actual draft lottery live, baby finally, instead of

771
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: only announcing the results afterwards. How the new lottery would

772
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: work is still being determined, But here you go, Mellis,

773
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: you might get your wish. Let's start with you. We

774
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: know your thumbs up on the NBA televising the Draft

775
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: lottery the drawing live.

776
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 4: Of course, this is a very important day for fans

777
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 4: of each franchise.

778
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: They need to see it.

779
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 4: I'm sure they're going to start to come wherever they're

780
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 4: filming this, whether it's in Brooklyn or New York. Start

781
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 4: pitching Kent's on the road, Start making this a whole

782
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: event for them. I mean, guys leave their wives, leave

783
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 4: their families to go to draft days for days on end.

784
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: Like they say, I'm leaving, I'm leaving, I'm out of here.

785
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: I'm going.

786
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: I'm going with my friends to camp out at said

787
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 4: draft day for four days. The draft lottery is a

788
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 4: little different. It's not, as you know, it doesn't impact

789
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: a team as much as who they draft. Okay, that

790
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: being said, I think this should be more important. It

791
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: should be televised extremely well, that is the important part

792
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 4: I think. I think, you know, you got to geekify it.

793
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: You gotta go hardcore in the numbers, hardcore on the stats,

794
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 4: Get Hollinger involved, get everybody involved who know the stats

795
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: to make it not just a fun TV production, But

796
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: it's got to be. It's gotta be about numbers really,

797
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 4: you know, and that kind of thing, and about lottery balls.

798
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 4: So we gotta go hardcore. It needs to be televised.

799
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: Well I'm down. Yeah, that sounds like not a lot

800
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: of fun to me. I would much rather theorize about

801
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 3: conspiracies than see balls come out of a lottery machine.

802
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: There ain't no way they can make this fun. They can.

803
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 3: You're telling me bring in John Hollander to break down

804
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 3: the odds of the percentages, how.

805
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: About Kernaky.

806
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: Something. I mean, they need to fix the draft lottery

807
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: show super boring as it is exactly, but this is

808
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: not a way to make it more exciting. This is

809
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: more transparency, absolutely, yeah, but I don't think that makes

810
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: it any more fun.

811
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: Uh.

812
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: They'd have to change how they do it, because you know,

813
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: you and I got into this debate because you kept

814
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: telling me this should be live, and then I was like,

815
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: watch it because they do put it up as we

816
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: talked about, they put it up on NBA dot com.

817
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: You can actually watch the live draft lottery pulling where

818
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: only secret you know a number of people are allowed

819
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: into the secret room. Anyway, I watch it.

820
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no hosts, there's nobody talking on camera. That's

821
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 4: just here's a wide shot of this weird ass room.

822
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

823
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really like it's a glorified it's not fun.

824
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 4: It's not fun. It's just a lock camera.

825
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: But they would have to change it because the NBA's

826
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: current method. The first ping pong ball selected determines the

827
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: first pick and so on, is I guess a possibility,

828
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: as Bontemps wrote, But that would eliminate a lot of

829
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: the drama. So you got to maybe like work at

830
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: six team and go backwards. So picking the sixteenth team

831
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: first and going all the way and leaning up to

832
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: the number one makes more of an interesting television product.

833
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: That's true.

834
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: So there's ways, There is ways, But Holland, you're gonna

835
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 4: have Kranachy, can have Bobby Marx, Oh.

836
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: My god, building the you're making the worst television guys.

837
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, okay.

838
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: These guys who have the ability to talk on camera

839
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 4: have to coincide with people who know the numbers.

840
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. We're having a meeting here, we're

841
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: talking now, we're doing some casting here. Jonathan Gibney, you're in.

842
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: Look, I hear what you're saying. There is a huge

843
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 1: potential for tremendous theater. Yeah, this is very big to

844
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: fan bases in terms of whether you can jump up

845
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: and get a number one pick, can you package it

846
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: and sell it.

847
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, live? Having to do it live.

848
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 4: Brian Windhurst, you're an EP, you're the executive producer, you

849
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: set he did you know?

850
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 2: His full column on it was basically him saying it

851
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: was enthralling being in that room.

852
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: Listens what everybody says when they're in the room, they

853
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: say exactly. I think actually they should keep it the

854
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: same way if they televise it. The most exciting moment

855
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: is seeing who gets the number one pick. I don't

856
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: care about two through four after that point. I understand

857
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: that it like you're peaking at the beginning. Who cares

858
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: you're peaking? I don't think it's a peak if you're

859
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: like drawn sixteenth and you know the wizard's ball comes up, like, oh,

860
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: you don't want to see a wizard's ball here. They

861
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: only have two remaining in the in the jug we'll

862
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: see when they come up, and we're updating like how

863
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: many balls are left for each team. That sounds even worse.

864
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: Give me the one moment of like, pop, it's the Wizards.

865
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.

866
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're speaking to media production and how people want

867
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 4: to see things now, right, They just want the good

868
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 4: thing at the beginning, and then you're just sort of

869
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 4: locked in. It's you're just kind of watching the for

870
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 4: the rest of the broadcast. Anyways, you're just lazy. You're

871
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: not changing it anyways. You know, I'm not saying a

872
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: negative way. I'm just saying that's how people want to see.

873
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 4: That's that's modern medium.

874
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: That's fine.

875
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I'm not going to be happy if

876
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: I have one of the commercial slots in the eighteen

877
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: minute mark or twenty three minute mark, because you're telling

878
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,959
Speaker 1: me it's basically over and everybody's tuned up. Also true,

879
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: which it is true. And if they're going to make

880
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: this into a television product, then guess what they're going

881
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: to try and make a bunch of money off it. Yeah,

882
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: so I think, I mean, I hear you, TK, but

883
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I think if they do this, they almost you've got

884
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: to build to it in some way. Yeah, I mean, yes,

885
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it'd be funny if it's just over in

886
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: the first minute, all right, congrats, congrats with the Wizards.

887
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, who knows? Is it a good product?

888
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: Now? No?

889
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 3: And the most exciting moment is in the last five

890
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: minutes of a thirty minute show that you're snoozing through

891
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 3: for twenty five minutes until the end, unless your team

892
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: is lucky enough to jump off.

893
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

894
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: Get more exciting for the five minutes at the beginning,

895
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: and then you're bored for twenty five minutes. Who knows.

896
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: This is why I don't think they should do it,

897
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: because it's boring.

898
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: Fair.

899
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they do lottery drawings on TV for the real lottery,

900
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: like for money lottery, and those are like thirty seconds. Yeah, yeah,

901
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 3: that would be perfect for this, Okay, Okay, so yeah,

902
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: you even need to be thirty minutes. You're on board

903
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: if it's like a five minute thing, yeah, or make

904
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 3: it a real show. And they're like, Okay, the Bulls

905
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: jump up to number four, right, Like give me Jamal

906
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: Collier talking about what it means for the Bulls to

907
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: suddenly jump up into top four and who they could

908
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 3: be expecting, right, Like, give me somebody who covers the

909
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: Pacers when they lose their pick. I want to know

910
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: what these guys are feeling, like, yeah, you know, rather

911
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 3: than get through the end of it, yeah, just like

912
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: we're just waiting, yeah, to get experts from each team.

913
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: As much as I love me a Kernaki and a

914
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 3: John Hollinger and a Bobby Marks, you need experts from

915
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: each team to come on, even if it's ten minutes

916
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 3: in to say, oh, this sucks for us. Essentially, we

917
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: dropped from five to six or five to eight.

918
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: And that's why I think fan bases will stick around

919
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: and people are too lazy to change the chain anyways,

920
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 4: but fan bases will stick around to just see what

921
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: the experts have to say and to see where they're falling,

922
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 4: and to see if there's trade possibilities. Even so, you

923
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 4: got to have a lot of experts. This has to

924
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 4: be a village. I mean, it can't just be two

925
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: people again, it's a locked off camera that's boring now.

926
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: But as soon as you bringing one hundred people to

927
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 4: help now and now.

928
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 3: We're getting big, let James Cameron direct.

929
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: It, Okay, so it'll be it'll be air locked off camera,

930
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 4: it'll be aired five years later.

931
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

932
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Final one here. We're not even done this NBA season,

933
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: but the twenty twenty six twenty seven NBA Championship odds

934
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: have arrived. These are by way of Matt Moore on

935
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: the old Twitter machine. I saw this yesterday. Here are

936
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: your top sixteen favorites. There are odds for every team,

937
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: but here are the top sixteen. So it goes okay,

938
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: see at plus two thirty Spurs plus two sixty Celtics

939
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: plus three forty and then a drop off to the

940
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Knicks and Calves. But again, these are odds to win

941
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: the title for next season twenty six to twenty seven.

942
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: TK up or down on what you're seeing here in

943
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: next season's NBA title lot down.

944
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to be seeing this yet.

945
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: No, too early, too early.

946
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: We haven't even seen the regular NBA finals, the twenty

947
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: five twenty six ers. But if I'm looking at this,

948
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: first thing that sticks out to me Celtics over Knicks.

949
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Celtics lost in the first

950
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: round this year, Knicks are in the finals for the

951
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: first time in twenty seven years. Just makes you think,

952
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: is Giannis prices what people are wondering? That's the only

953
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: question I could possibly come up with, because there's no

954
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: way that the Celtics should be ahead of the Knicks

955
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: to me.

956
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: And it's a pretty drastic number time ye every forty

957
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: to eleven hundred, Yeah, that is pretty big. Yeah.

958
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 4: Does this speak to where the bets are coming in

959
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: for the twenty seven championship? Does it speak more to

960
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: betting lines because people aren't betting on the Knicks versus

961
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: they're betting on the Celtics. The Knicks fans are too

962
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: busy betting on this calendar year, and so I think

963
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 4: that may factor it. I think it's pretty curate. I

964
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: also don't want to see them. That's why I muted

965
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: Matt Moore. I'm just kidding on that. Mute Matt Moore's

966
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: He's great. I think the only weird one in addition

967
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: to that is the Nuggets more likely to.

968
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Win then the Wolves. The Wolves just eliminated their ass.

969
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: It's tough.

970
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: I mean, again, that could be who teams are or

971
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 4: who people are betting on, but still a five hundred

972
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 4: odd different is strange, Like the Wolves haven't got any worse.

973
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards also was hurt during this postseason. It's a

974
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 4: little strange.

975
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: The Pacers at plus three thousand, it's interesting. Obviously just

976
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: had a complete down year because of the Halliburton injury,

977
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: but the odds are saying, hey, they'll be back in

978
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: the mix. Why wouldn't they be there despite losing their

979
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: pick to the Clippers. And then the heat sort of

980
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: jumped out to me they're plus six thousand again, that

981
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: is that a potential Yannis landing spot or jama Ran

982
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: or another big name, because you know, of all these

983
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: teams on this top sixteen, and there are a couple others,

984
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: but like they're one that is very very low in

985
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: terms of how they finished their season. So that's next year,

986
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: looking too far ahead. That's the updown report. Man, some

987
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: spicy topics there. Thanks for playing along. We'll take a

988
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: quick break and then talk about the good things NBC

989
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: has done for the NBA broadcast.

990
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999
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: We're doing that again?

1000
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: Are we.

1001
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Don't mind.

1002
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: Trying to make up for the last game?

1003
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1004
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,560
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1005
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's great name.

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Speaker 3: That would be a plus seventeen twenty four if all

1008
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1009
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1010
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,160
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1011
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: Okay, it's all about that first. That first many very

1012
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Speaker 1: Play your game. Indeed, Game six of the Western Conference

1023
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,880
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Speaker 1: hit the light button subscribe. That's what I was going

1025
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: to say. I had a bit of a brain fart there,

1026
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: just blacked out for a second.

1027
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: Right.

1028
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: We got an email though that we didn't quite address.

1029
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: In Beach Step in the other day. So let's tackle

1030
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: it right now out because it opens up a fun

1031
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: conversation here. Aloha No Dunk's crew. When we found out

1032
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: that Turner Sports lost the broadcast rights to the NBA

1033
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: last season, I was super bumped because I thought they

1034
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: did an amazing job. But now that the season is

1035
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: nearly finished, I found myself not missing T and T

1036
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: broadcast too much. So my question is, how do you

1037
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: think these new media deals did and do you think

1038
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: it improved watchability? Turn up Aloha Shacabra. That's from Logan

1039
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Gotta love to see an email from Hawaii. So, yeah,

1040
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: this idea of like the new broadcasts coming in, did

1041
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: it increase or improve your overall enjoyment of the sport

1042
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: and watchability and all this good stuff.

1043
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been taking notes.

1044
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 4: I've been collecting elements to determine whether or not NBC

1045
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: has helped the TV experience of watching an NBA game,

1046
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 4: and it has. Here's a list of several things of

1047
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 4: how they've helped improve the experience. First one, I like

1048
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 4: their stat lines that they're showing on the bottom of

1049
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 4: the screen, especially during postgame interviews. They want to tell

1050
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 4: the story, they want to give you the entire story

1051
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: of Victor Wembinyama. After game one. You'd probably see conventionally

1052
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 4: points and rebounds, but they go deeper. They show you

1053
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 4: the minutes he played in an overtime game, forty eight

1054
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 4: minutes and forty two seconds. Wow, Welemby plays hard. Not

1055
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 4: only just the twenty four rebounds he got, but also

1056
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 4: nine offensive rebounds. I like that specification of the different columns. Yeah,

1057
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 4: during the third quarter of that game, a stat line

1058
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 4: came up during the game while he was playing. It

1059
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,919
Speaker 4: showed Victor Amanyama the third quarter seven minutes, two points,

1060
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: two rebounds, one block, one steal. They're just telling you

1061
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: the story. They are painting the entire picture of how

1062
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 4: a guy was playing. With Round two, Game one Wolve

1063
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 4: Spurs Dylan Harper was interviewed at half The Dylan Harper

1064
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: line comes at the bottom. Here are the threes he's made.

1065
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 4: Here the twos he's made. I think they're just doing

1066
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 4: a very good job of painting the entire picture, because

1067
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: you know, as nerds, we want to see stats, and again,

1068
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 4: I think they just get far more into the details.

1069
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 4: So let's item number one. But we've got We've got

1070
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 4: tons here im number two. They're not afraid to tell

1071
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 4: you the actual time a game is going to tip off.

1072
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: And not justice oh eight thirty.

1073
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 4: On the sidebar here of an upcoming schedule of the Spurs. Okay,

1074
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: see game it shows game five tip eight thirty.

1075
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: Six Eastern. They're not afraid. That is nice. They're not afraid.

1076
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: They don't need to suck you in at eight thirty

1077
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 4: and say, oh, we got to watch these ads before

1078
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 4: we get to our tip.

1079
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Respect respect respect.

1080
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 4: A basketball watchers who've always wondered this game starting at

1081
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: forty four and fourteen minutes after this projected time of

1082
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 4: eight thirty.

1083
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: I care so little about the start time. I'm glad

1084
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 3: they put it on there for people that do. But

1085
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, have you ever been to a movie? Or

1086
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 3: they don't start at the time It says on the tickets, No.

1087
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: They don't know. I'd love to know if there's twenty

1088
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: five minutes of previews versus there is five minutes.

1089
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 3: I feel like they do that. Yeah, but literally, like

1090
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: on the amc app it says movie starts twenty five

1091
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 3: to thirty minutes after start time. But the best thing

1092
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: that the NHL has going is when they go to

1093
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: their several breaks. Because these guys get so much time

1094
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: to rest. It always tells you when they're coming back.

1095
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: That's what I need from halftime twelve minutes until startup

1096
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: third quarter.

1097
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

1098
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: It's interesting you bring up halftime because this is my

1099
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 4: My third item is that coming back from halftime, they

1100
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 4: showed Victor webin Yama of Game four, I should say,

1101
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 4: specifically in the Western Conference Final. They showed Victor webbin

1102
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: Yama missing shots before the game. They're not afraid to

1103
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 4: show Wemby missing in warm ups because at the end

1104
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 4: of his warm ups. Yeah, yeah, but then he stepped

1105
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: in at the end of the second quarter and bang

1106
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 4: home a fifty footnt quite eighty. But they basically showed you, hey,

1107
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 4: this is how that guy gets there. They showed the worms.

1108
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 4: They're not afraid. That's all I appreciate. I appreciate that. Yeah,

1109
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: you know, we all talk about, oh are there they are?

1110
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 4: They holding Wemby's hand here.

1111
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: Nah, ain't afraid.

1112
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 4: They showed him missing by a ton Anyway, I just

1113
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 4: like practicing. It's also just showing. So, yeah, he hit

1114
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 4: a bomb going into halftime. It was awesome. Then they

1115
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: come back and they show, look at this guy. He

1116
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: missed a lot of shots. He missed pretty badly, but

1117
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: this is how he warms up.

1118
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: Oh there, that goes to your telling the story, though,

1119
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: is how I interpret it. He hit a bomb at

1120
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: the end of the first half, and like somebody's like,

1121
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 1: you know, we got footage of him actually practicing full

1122
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: court shots or bombs. Does he hit any No? Who cares?

1123
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: Rolling anyway, he's practicing. It is the point, right, Yeah, yeah,

1124
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: that's good, Good job NBC. This is something else they

1125
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: did pretty well. They also realize that they an incredible

1126
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: shot which wasn't anywhere close to what was happening on

1127
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: the floor. Game three of the Western Conference Final, there's

1128
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: an altercation at one side of the floor. AJ Mitchell

1129
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: hits to Poncastle.

1130
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 4: There's a big fight, and Isaiah Joe at the other

1131
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 4: end on Okac's bench way far away, fake like he

1132
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 4: was going into the fight. Hit I'm going And so

1133
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 4: the assistant coaches that'd say, no, don't go. But that

1134
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 4: was a shot that they grabbed from earlier that they

1135
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 4: just had a locked off camera just showing every part

1136
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 4: of the arena that they went back to and used.

1137
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 4: You don't usually see a shot like that. So NBC

1138
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 4: just good production. Good production right there.

1139
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: They do have great in game production, and I feel

1140
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 3: like just in general, random note taking has been revolutionized

1141
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: by the NBA. When we were getting going with the starters,

1142
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 3: we had to watch these games and write down every

1143
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: single play we wanted to see, not like Isaiah Joe

1144
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: faking like he's getting on. I'm talking about like a

1145
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: Kostas Nico, Papa Nicolau shooting a layup. But if there's

1146
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: three of them that are similar, we need all three

1147
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: of those. Now, anything interesting that happens that's on the internet, immedia,

1148
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: so it's a lot easier to find.

1149
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. I would like even in our random

1150
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: notes for every single show. Quite often in the past

1151
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: there haven't been enough, so we kind of, you know,

1152
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 4: say the same stuff and we just kind of step

1153
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 4: on each other's toes a little bit.

1154
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 2: Now there's just more.

1155
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 4: They do a good job, really a lot of random

1156
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 4: a lot of random notes out there. Last thing, this

1157
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: is a reach by me, but I don't care. This

1158
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 4: is Joel Embiid with airborne droplets of sweat coming from

1159
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: his hair. I think any broadcast can get this. I

1160
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 4: don't think it's NBC necessarily that has to be able

1161
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: to get it. But yeah, it's flying from his hair.

1162
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 4: It is flying from his hair. So just awesome camera work.

1163
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: Do you have better cameras than Amazon? Do you have

1164
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 4: better cameras than ESPN? Probably not, But NBC has done

1165
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: a great job. I've just given us the whole story

1166
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 4: of what's going on in the basketball game. They've done

1167
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 4: a really good job period.

1168
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: How to feel about their broadcast team, not their broadcast

1169
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: team like they're stud team, I should say, and their

1170
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: pregame work, whether they're in arena or back in the studio.

1171
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm talking Maria, Taylor, Mellow, Vince and Tracy McGrady. How

1172
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: do you think they've done in year one? Their room

1173
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: for improvements? How do you compare them to the to

1174
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: the Prime team led by Taylor in them?

1175
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say with Maria Mellow, Vince and Tracy,

1176
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: I would say to Vince, you don't need to take

1177
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: notes like that. If I'm coaching Vince, I don't want

1178
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 4: to see writing notes. I just want I just want

1179
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 4: the heart events. Just give it to us. That's I'm

1180
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 4: here with you. I don't have to look at my computer,

1181
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 4: but I do I need a coach too. Here you

1182
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 4: go done.

1183
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: Studio stuff is very, very boring. Their game production is awesome,

1184
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: but their pregame, halftime in postgame total snooze. I think

1185
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: Amazon smashes it from a studio perspective, and their in

1186
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: game stuff is just totally fine. I don't think they're

1187
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 3: revolutionizing anything, but I think NBC needs to take a

1188
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: look at what they're doing around the game because there's

1189
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 3: nothing interesting about it.

1190
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: Yes, what you're saying is well, but you're saying the

1191
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: mid of very similar like that.

1192
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 3: I think I think it's I think they completely phone

1193
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: it in. I don't think they do anything. They have

1194
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: no segments set up. They just come on and they

1195
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: take turns talking and then we're back to.

1196
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: The game at halftime.

1197
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: He's three half time any any studio position.

1198
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not wrong. I Prime laps them, lap them

1199
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: this year in terms of that.

1200
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 2: Doubt.

1201
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, That's what Trey is saying, Like we're not

1202
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: even saying here, maybe on the talent, but they are

1203
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: not put in a position to succeed because they're literally

1204
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: just like, hey what do you think of this? Hey,

1205
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? Tracy, Hey, what do

1206
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: you think of that? Vince? They end up saying the

1207
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: same thing half the time. It's it's not entertaining, it's

1208
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: not where Obviously they've got something going there with that

1209
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: Prime crew, And maybe maybe it doesn't tell me. It

1210
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: is Aslam and Dirk and Blake along with Taylor and

1211
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: they're just the chemistry is there, and Nash in there.

1212
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they just do a lot more.

1213
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,240
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe how much I was found myself watching pregame, halftime,

1214
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: post game, with the nightcap and all that of Prime NBC.

1215
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: It's I avoid it. I basically avoid it at this point.

1216
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 4: Now, of course I hear you're saying, yeah, yeah, as

1217
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 4: far as they use a floor, I mean they use

1218
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 4: an actual floor where they go out and do things.

1219
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: They do way more. There's that part.

1220
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: Yes, As far as just those guys being on camera,

1221
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 4: they could do better in general, Oh yeah.

1222
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean I think we're giving them some grace. It

1223
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: is their first year doing this, and it takes time

1224
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: and you know, reps and all this stuff to build

1225
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: a chemistry and get comfortable.

1226
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: On Amazon, and maybe they won't have it.

1227
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, not every former Player is good on television.

1228
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: That's just the fact.

1229
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is Amazon's first run too, and they're doing

1230
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 4: a great job. Yes, yeah, so as simple as that.

1231
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: But it's not.

1232
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: But we're saying it's not just the talent, it's obviously production.

1233
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, they have to be coming up with Yeah,

1234
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 4: they're putting work into that. I mean as much it

1235
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 4: was as we were talking about the NBA Draft Lottery

1236
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 4: and having a village to use to actually trying to

1237
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 4: make it fun.

1238
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: It feels like Amazon's doing that.

1239
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 1: Well.

1240
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 4: NBC isn't so much. It's pretty traditional and it's it's

1241
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 4: similar to the TNT guys and that it's just go

1242
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 4: on the desk and do your thing. But the TNT

1243
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 4: guys in Barkley have so much personality that they carry

1244
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 4: it to another level. But it feels like the production meetings,

1245
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 4: as we've been in many production meetings would be very

1246
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 4: similar to a TNT versus an NBC. Maybe those would

1247
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 4: be similar while the Amazon would be six hundred people

1248
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 4: because like, hey, look there's more, there's more that they

1249
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: do way more. So that's what I was looking at

1250
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 4: as like, let's get to the the brass tacks of

1251
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 4: how Vince can be better. I mean, because I don't

1252
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 4: know if the whole the whole situation can be better,

1253
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 4: but should be better, Like they should be doing more

1254
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 4: of what Amazon is doing, like getting guys involved talk

1255
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 4: about this.

1256
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: But also you Donnas hasn't was just awesome? Yeah, you know,

1257
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: he's just really really.

1258
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: I think both can be true. I think the Amazon

1259
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: team has done a better job of putting them in

1260
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: a position to succeed. And I also think they're just

1261
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: better at it who they've picked and selected as they're

1262
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: on air talent for the studio show than at least

1263
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: NBC I have not been. I also think there's a

1264
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: real problem with mellow Vincent Tracy together. It's like a

1265
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: little bit all the same very to me, and their

1266
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: sort of takes and their opinions, it just it's all

1267
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: sort of it's almost like one guy. They're sort of

1268
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: all similar.

1269
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:36,959
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying.

1270
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,919
Speaker 4: I think they probably watched the TNT broadcasts and are like, Okay,

1271
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: we'll kind of do it like them. You know, it

1272
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: is pretty similar like that, do you really care about

1273
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 4: the halftime for TNT? As much as we love Barkley,

1274
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 4: we love Ernie Is that Is that a thing you

1275
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 4: need to watch?

1276
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: No?

1277
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: No, I think that's not a thing I need to watch.

1278
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're too similar in that regard. So

1279
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 4: when you're saying, like all three years, all three guys

1280
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 4: in Mellow, Vents and Tracy are similar, I think, yeah,

1281
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 4: they are similar to that that halftime show rather than

1282
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 4: having a little more analysis of the actual game, which

1283
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: Amazon does way more.

1284
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't see how you're comparing what we've seen from

1285
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: NBC and their studio team to the greatest studio show

1286
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: we've ever seen, the like, not even compared.

1287
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's person but it's the personality that carries Park

1288
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.

1289
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: And Vince, Mellow and t Mac are just they have

1290
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 3: similar energy, they're all they're all kind of like downbeat

1291
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 3: in general, chill guys in general. And I think that

1292
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: on the other shoe shows, whether it be inside the

1293
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: NBA or what they'd just call it a half for

1294
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: Prime or something like that, whatever it is, there are

1295
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 3: different personalities like Kenny's analytical, Chuck is uh cantankerous, and

1296
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 3: Shack is jokey. Like you can tell the three very

1297
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,080
Speaker 3: distinct personalities between the three, and I don't think a

1298
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 3: mellow vincent Tmack have found their voices to differentiate them

1299
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: from each other.

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01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 4: They need more reps on cousins the podcast, I guess,

1302
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: but yeah, they ain't clicking. Maria Taylor's great.

1303
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 3: I think she's really good.

1304
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there. I think the

1305
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: three people in charge of all these things in terms

1306
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: of running point Maria Taylor and of course Ernie Johnson

1307
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: the coat like that's not there's no issue there. I

1308
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: don't think that's the concern. But in terms of talking

1309
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: about the game or whatever fun they have, Oh, this

1310
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: is the other thing. I mean, Prime, they're just having

1311
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: way more fun than what you get translated through the

1312
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: screen from the NBC studio show. Whether they're in a

1313
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: studio or whether they put them on the floor. They

1314
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: are these games in the playoffs, just like it doesn't

1315
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: scream fun. No, it's just like all right, we're just

1316
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: going to sort of go through the reps here and

1317
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: share an opinion.

1318
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: I think Prime is much more in the vein of

1319
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 3: inside the NBA, like they are the progenitor, and the

1320
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 3: NBC studio offerings are way more similar to ESPN, where

1321
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 3: it's like you're here for the game. We gotta do

1322
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: this studio programming as well. We'll try something, but we're

1323
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: not putting a ton of effort into it. But you're

1324
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 3: here for the game. And that's how NBC handles things

1325
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: and how ESPN handles things when it's not inside because,

1326
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 3: like I mean, nobody's really caring about Perkins though he

1327
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: is a huge personality. At least they got that going

1328
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: for I'm saying with stephen A. But you know, their

1329
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: halftime show was always a work in progress. Yeah, compared

1330
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: to when TNT had it.

1331
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: The thing that Amazon does better than the TNT slash

1332
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 4: ESPN guys they get into the game though they care, Yes,

1333
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 4: they care about everything on the floor, the modern day game,

1334
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 4: and so they're by far and away the one that

1335
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: stands out with giving a poop about basketball and then

1336
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 4: no doubt.

1337
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: And then final thought on all of this after a

1338
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: year of it, because there was concern, Okay, all these

1339
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: new broadcasters and new ways to watch these games and

1340
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: find them, like, how do you feel it's been after

1341
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: the entire season of this, of NBC, of Amazon and

1342
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 1: still ESPN in.

1343
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 3: General, I think it's good. The thing that drives me

1344
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 3: the most crazy is having to look at my apps

1345
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 3: to know where the game is going to be. That's frustrating.

1346
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 3: But you know, if you have as long as it's

1347
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: not on Amazon, if you have YouTube TV, you can

1348
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 3: find it for the most part. But it's pretty much

1349
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 3: the same, if we're being quite honest, it's almost all

1350
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 3: the same voices on the broadcasts. Yeah, I actually think

1351
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 3: it was good the way they handled inside the NBA,

1352
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: Like there was a lot of complaints heading into the season, like,

1353
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 3: look at how light their schedule is. They're never on,

1354
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 3: so they kind of fell by the wayside, I thought

1355
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 3: during the regular season, and now they're hilarious during the

1356
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 3: postseason when the eyeballs are really focused on the sport.

1357
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 3: So I think that actually worked out pretty well. But

1358
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 3: it feels very similar to me with a couple of

1359
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 3: spicy things thrown in here, mostly on the Amazon side.

1360
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very similar.

1361
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: I'll hear from you guys out there. I know everybody's

1362
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: got opinions on the actual broadcasts when it comes to

1363
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: their production work and the studio shows, and yeah, watching

1364
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: these games all season long and firing up these different apps,

1365
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, what's the one that people are upset is it?

1366
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 4: Is it?

1367
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 3: Amazon's the worst because you can't flip you have to

1368
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: stick with Amazon.

1369
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh. I was going to say, I thought people are

1370
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: not the biggest fans of the Peacock though, because you

1371
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: can't when you go to it if you're like thirty

1372
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: minutes late to the game. There's some issue in starting

1373
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: that at the beginning, isn't it that one? So that

1374
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: to me, I mean like, we watch a lot of basketball,

1375
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: so it's nice to be like, Okay, I don't need

1376
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: to catch it live. I'll catch up through commercials and

1377
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 1: all that. But that's the one that causes some people

1378
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: problems where it's like you go to it and it's like, well,

1379
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: I can't start it at the beginning even though the

1380
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: game started thirty minutes you know what I mean?

1381
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: I hear, Yeah, yeah, I know people have written about that.

1382
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: You can get there. I think you gotta like sort

1383
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: of rewind and all that. But there's not an easy

1384
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: just start from beginning, is what I'm trying to say.

1385
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 2: Yah. Yeah.

1386
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 4: On Amazon that they keep talking about, if you have

1387
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 4: the Amazon Remote, you can click the bottom arrow and

1388
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 4: it'll go to some other thing that they're broadcasting on Amazon.

1389
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 2: Prime or something.

1390
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they do have a whatever. It's not called

1391
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: Baller Vision, but whatever they're maybe it's called Prime Vision

1392
01:03:59,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: with all.

1393
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 4: The extra stats and stuff, right for sure, But isn't

1394
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 4: it they can't you go to like something else different

1395
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 4: on the Amazon app or is it just a yeah,

1396
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 4: you're probably right.

1397
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: I probably pull broadcast for every game on Trime, Yeah,

1398
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 3: for sure.

1399
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: And we've talked about the key plays sometimes like if

1400
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: you want to catch up, they just whatever, give you

1401
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: a little quick yep, here's an update on some of

1402
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: the big plays from the game. Sometimes convenient, I mean,

1403
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: it's very.

1404
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: Simple, but I do like when I open up Peacock

1405
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 3: and it's like shake ouds with Alexander's heating up. He's

1406
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 3: got fourteen points. Like, that's somebody's job to put in

1407
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 3: that little description of things that are happening during the

1408
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 3: first quarter of a game. To enjoy that.

1409
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,439
Speaker 4: And that's why NBA League Past Premium is really really

1410
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 4: good as far as not having to miss a thing,

1411
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 4: because you don't need to worry about fast forward missing

1412
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 4: stuff like you're bringing up the Peacock, which I'm not

1413
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 4: familiar with. If you tune in thirty minutes late, you

1414
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 4: can't rewind. That's not fun. No, you got to be

1415
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 4: able to do that. So that's just the Peacock app.

1416
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 4: But if you're tuning in on YouTube TV, you're fine there,

1417
01:04:59,400 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 4: You're fine.

1418
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 3: Right, It's just NBC standard broadcast.

1419
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: League Past Premium, but it's good for that.

1420
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: Don't we have an upgraded League Pass Premium. I don't

1421
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 3: think that most people who are watching League Pass Premium

1422
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: have access to the national broadcasts.

1423
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: They can, some can.

1424
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,479
Speaker 4: Some send us messages and they say, I'm with Tasks.

1425
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 4: I've watched every single halftime show. Method Man was the business,

1426
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,919
Speaker 4: you know, he was some people.

1427
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1428
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was more international, but maybe not.

1429
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 2: There's definitely some Americans. I don't know. You definitely got

1430
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: to pay for it, but yeah, I don't know. I'm

1431
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: not in the NBA League office.

1432
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: So you had no real issues with NBA League Pass

1433
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: this year.

1434
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not yes, not perfect, but it was

1435
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 2: really good.

1436
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1437
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: Okay, did you get spoiled by any games like Chess, Wizard.

1438
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: Magnus something or another so you can hide scores now?

1439
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, but uh, sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes he

1440
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 3: still gets spoiled. He was very upset Carlson Magnus Carlson, Carlson, Yeah,

1441
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: that's it. Yeah, you didn't see this test?

1442
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw it just happened.

1443
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: He's pissed, he's legit angry.

1444
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: He just brought it up out of nowhere.

1445
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1446
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: I just gotta get off my chest.

1447
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for him.

1448
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 3: Okay, don't call it there. Wow.

1449
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,479
Speaker 1: We talked about a whole lot on today's show. Coming

1450
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 1: up at one pm Eastern, we got a new No

1451
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: Buffs episode. Survivor's done. We're talking about the Summerhouse reunion.

1452
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: Nor will we here to break it all down. She's

1453
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: the expert. This show is batshit crazy. We will have

1454
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: some fun. If you are a reality television fan, join

1455
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: us at one pm Eastern. Links in the show notes,

1456
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: come on over to No Buffs and then tonight plan

1457
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: is Game six of the Western Conference Finals. Watch party

1458
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: your second screen experience. Come join us there eight thirty pm. Well,

1459
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: I guess eight thirty six, what is it? Eight thirty seven,

1460
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 1: eight thirty eight.

1461
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 3: We're not sure.

1462
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,439
Speaker 1: I'll be around eight thirty. I want to go play

1463
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: some hoops tonight our runs seven to nine, so I'll

1464
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: be leaving hoops early but I gotta get home and

1465
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: I got a shower, so uh hopefully I'll be live

1466
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: but thirty. But you be there, Okay, you be there.

1467
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: I'll get that link up very soon so you can

1468
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: come hang out and as we watch game six tonight.

1469
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully we got a good one. Hopefully, so come on,

1470
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: we need a classic. We need a classic. Tonight. We

1471
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 1: had a Game one classic and then we've you know,

1472
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: obviously had a nice serious here, but we're due for

1473
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 1: an overtime or a huge play or whatever, something like that,

1474
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: big performance.

1475
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just happy with any Spurs win because

1476
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 3: Game seven, baby.

1477
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Game seven would be Saturday night. Okay, that's it

1478
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: for us today until uh well later they're on No

1479
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: Boss or tonight here on YouTube. Clipper Bros.

1480
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

1481
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: Love you guys awesome, thanks for joining us.

1482
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 4: And remember, a three to one deficit in hockey is winnable.

1483
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 4: Halves are down three to one.

1484
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't cheer for the Habs. I never

1485
01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: have been able to.

1486
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 4: I'm cheering for Tom Dundon's team, the Carolina Hurricanes. Who

1487
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 4: are you guys cheering for?

1488
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm cheering for the Abs.

1489
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's Canada.

1490
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not coming back. From what I've seen. That

1491
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 1: defense is to elite on the Hurricanes. Nothing survives a Hurricane.

1492
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the halves are frustrated.

1493
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 4: They're so frustrated they're hitting guys with sticks going into

1494
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 4: the penalty box.

1495
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: Come on, lost their composure out there.

1496
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 2: Good luck to everybody involved.

1497
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: What's happening on the other side? Is that done or.

1498
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1499
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: So we're looking at a good friends, We're looking at

1500
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: a Vegas Carolina Stanley Cup.

1501
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: Yep, we are.

1502
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 4: Garry Betman doesn't like that, probably not, But Vegas is

1503
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 4: the dynasty. They're really good.

1504
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 3: It's their third finals appearance in nine years. It's pretty

1505
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: They said they're good.

1506
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: Hurricanes haven't been there since like six or won the

1507
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: Cuffs and so six all right, I couldn't believe that good.

1508
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 2: Aren't they good?

1509
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 3: They've had a pretty good run recently, they.

1510
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: Haven't won the Cups, which also sounded crazy to me though,

1511
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, what twenty years Ron Francis Ron?

1512
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 3: Who they got Sebastian Aho.

1513
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: I think he's their star.

1514
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1515
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 3: I enjoy watching the play off hockey, but when the

1516
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 3: team is like defensively focused. I don't know anything about it. Yeah,

1517
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: it's like, how do I know if you're doing good

1518
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 3: at defense, right, what are you supposed to do? Is

1519
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: the levels a fallover?

1520
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 4: This is a defensive team, specially. Innajo leads the team

1521
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 4: in scoring with eighty points. Yeah, twenty seven goals.

1522
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: I mean, well, well, yeah it is. Well, I mean

1523
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: there's other guys who've got to thirty, but that's not

1524
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 2: not very high.

1525
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 1: Defense wins championships and cups. Yeah, brace today, people,