WEBVTT - Vasectomies: Stop Being A Wimp

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here with us too, and

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<v Speaker 1>that makes this Stuff you Should Know. With the snip

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<v Speaker 1>snip addition, snip snip a dish very nice. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about getting the snip a k A. A vasectomy a

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<v Speaker 1>k a. A vast otomy if you really want to

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<v Speaker 1>be smart about the whole thing. Um and Chuck, our

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<v Speaker 1>buddy Dave Russ helps us with this. And I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Dave is a really big proponent of vasectomies,

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<v Speaker 1>and I get why, but he really is all about vasectomies.

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect he would get a couple if he could. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny now that I know about them. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a remarkably basic thing that's being done. And sometimes that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the beautiful simplicity of certain medical procedures is

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, just cut that thing there and you're all good.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a problem that's not cut. So it is remarkably easy.

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<v Speaker 1>The recovery time is really fast. It's relatively cheap, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't have insurance covering it, which most most

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<v Speaker 1>people don't in the United States, and yet in the

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<v Speaker 1>US and a lot of other countries. Um. The the

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<v Speaker 1>it's really disproportionate the number of men in reproductive age

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<v Speaker 1>who have a vasectomy um compared to the number of

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<v Speaker 1>women who have undergone tubal ligation getting your tubes tied,

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<v Speaker 1>and both are basically equally effective, but getting your tubes

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<v Speaker 1>tied is way more involved. It requires general anesthesia, the

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<v Speaker 1>recovery time is much longer, and it seems to basically

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<v Speaker 1>come down to men just being scared of some guy

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<v Speaker 1>monkeying around their junk with a scalpel um and worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about what the after effects will be. But it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out totally unnecessarily and unfairly. Yeah, I mean, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to some of the myths, um and I would say

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's equal parts being scared of those myths and

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<v Speaker 1>quite simply the patriarchy, I mean kind of full stop

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<v Speaker 1>men saying like, uh, you need to take care of

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<v Speaker 1>that on your end. Uh, and and then we can

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<v Speaker 1>start having unprotected sex and the And that's why a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people frame it as it's a real gift

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<v Speaker 1>that a man can give to his wife or his

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<v Speaker 1>spouse or his sexual partner, you know, the person who's

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<v Speaker 1>monogamously having sex with, Because we should point out vasectomy

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<v Speaker 1>is going to handle pregnancy basically every time. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to help with S T I S. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're running around exposing yourself, the monkey pox of

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<v Speaker 1>vasectomy is not going to help with any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to just help with the pregnancy partner. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope that counts as a blanket statement. So

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<v Speaker 1>when we say things like and now you can have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the sex you want without using a condom,

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<v Speaker 1>without fear of getting pregnant, we don't. We don't mean

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<v Speaker 1>like a step right up. What we mean is is

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<v Speaker 1>you know with your monogamous partner you can now live,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know with your monogamous partner you can get

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<v Speaker 1>tested and you can know that that part is safe

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But we are definitely not saying just that

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<v Speaker 1>means you can go around and and spread your seed,

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<v Speaker 1>your your biological material. It was even worse somehow. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>it's terrible, Dave us as well. We'll get to the

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<v Speaker 1>material part. But it's such a gross way to describe

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<v Speaker 1>any thing that comes out of your body. But you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the patriarchy. Here's a patriarchal um stat for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty of American women age thirty five to forty four

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<v Speaker 1>have their tubes tied thirty nine percent. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know how many men aged thirty five to forty

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<v Speaker 1>four in America have had a vasectomy. I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>be at least twenty five right percent? Percent? That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that, um, what more than about three

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<v Speaker 1>times right on the nose, three times more women have

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<v Speaker 1>their tubes side than men undergo vasectomy. And hopefully, like

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<v Speaker 1>as people are hearing about this stuff, um, it becomes

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<v Speaker 1>less scary and maybe more men will be prone to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, because if you're looking to stop having kids

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<v Speaker 1>or never have a kid, this this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>good way to go. It's safe, it's effective, and again

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<v Speaker 1>it's relatively cheap, and the recovery time is like nothing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some of those myths that we mentioned that are not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that the operation is painful, which is not true.

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<v Speaker 1>That it affects sex, that it affects your erection, it

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<v Speaker 1>affects your orgasm and ejaculation, it affects your sex drive

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<v Speaker 1>and testosterone. It means you're not a real man, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>none of those things are true. And if any of

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<v Speaker 1>those dudes were speaking to you, if any of those

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<v Speaker 1>are reasons why you don't want to get a vasectomy,

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<v Speaker 1>then you have no reason to just like that is

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<v Speaker 1>a fact. Yeah, and we'll go into those in more detail.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, all of those are totally incorrect. Probably everything

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<v Speaker 1>you think or worry about vasectomes is incorrect. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty good bet, actually, Yeah. Or if your reason is, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I may want to have kids one day,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a very good reason because as you'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a reversal surgery, but it they definitely haven't

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<v Speaker 1>perfected it. It is expensive, it's more invasive. Um, this

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<v Speaker 1>is something you really need to consider very very strongly

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<v Speaker 1>as a long term life decision. Yeah. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>were like, oh, it's one more kid, and you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I regret having this third kid, maybe it is time

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about getting a vasectomy. Or if you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this world is grossly overpopulated, we're treating it terribly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to introduce yet another human into it

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<v Speaker 1>and screwed up even more. Um, that might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good reason. I have a sectomy too, and apparently that's

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<v Speaker 1>an increasing um the reason for gen z and millennials

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<v Speaker 1>getting vasectomies these days. Yeah, Or if you have already

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<v Speaker 1>bore a couple of children and you look at your

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<v Speaker 1>partner and say, hey, dude, I don't want any more kids,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you get a vasectomy, and they give you

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<v Speaker 1>a reason that equates to I want to keep my

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<v Speaker 1>life options open. That's a different conversation. Yeah, then you're

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<v Speaker 1>with the wrong person, right, you know, But no, on

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<v Speaker 1>down the road, I might meet someone else. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I should say, Chuck, we've we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>almost exclusively about like men and women, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>biological sex um as far as vasectomies go. And I

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<v Speaker 1>actually looked. I was like, is this part of transitioning

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<v Speaker 1>in the trans community? And I saw that probably isn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can imagine like going from transitioning from

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<v Speaker 1>male to female. Um, you might want to get a vasectomy.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw specifically that the hormone therapy renders that

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<v Speaker 1>like no and void, there's no point in getting one

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<v Speaker 1>from what I saw, right, So that's why we're using

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<v Speaker 1>the terms that we're using in the words we're using

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<v Speaker 1>so um. One of the things about a vasectomy One

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why it is so great is because

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<v Speaker 1>it is basically a hundred percent effective at preventing pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, tubal ligation is is just as effective, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but as far as other stuff that men can do

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent to act as birth control, I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>vasectomy is far in a way superior to all of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you've got coitus interrupt us a k a. The

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<v Speaker 1>pullout method. Yeah, that's only seventy eight percent effective. I

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<v Speaker 1>am too. You can just ask the pullout king if

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<v Speaker 1>that works or not. Hey, get in here, pullout king,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, condoms are eight five percent effective. That

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<v Speaker 1>seems high to me too, but I guess actually no,

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<v Speaker 1>and on second thought, it's probably pretty accurate. But even still,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a fifteen percent chance every time you have sex

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to accidentally impregnate your partner. That's what's

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<v Speaker 1>so great about vasectomy. You have no worries whatsoever because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole bunch of steps that we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that say Okay, you're good to go go forth and

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<v Speaker 1>have sex with your partner, that one partner that you're

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<v Speaker 1>monogamous with and is monogamous with you as much as

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<v Speaker 1>you like without a condom for the rest of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Anytime you want, just go ahead and do it. Do

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<v Speaker 1>it in a changing room at Target, do it in

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<v Speaker 1>your card at the police station when you get arrested

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<v Speaker 1>for doing then changing room and Target, none of these

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<v Speaker 1>places you should do that. But you could because you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a condom on you and it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>in that sense. Uh. You mentioned it being relatively cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say the actual number, which is about a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand bucks? Yes? I did not. Okay, okay, yes you

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<v Speaker 1>did not. That kind of episode, Chuck. A thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly nothing to sneeze at. But um tubal ligation

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<v Speaker 1>is about six times that much. Um. Condoms aren't cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're if you're choosing to have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sex and were a lot of condoms and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to run up a bill there. Uh. And it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't take super long. It's a twenty minute outpatient surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>very very low risk of complications. Uh. It does not

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<v Speaker 1>require general anesthesia like tubal ligation does. It's just local anesthesia,

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<v Speaker 1>which that right there is like there's your like how

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<v Speaker 1>much do you love me kind of thing? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>going to let me risk dying under general anesthesia comp

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<v Speaker 1>here to your local anesthesia. That's the that's what makes

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of conversation hard when you're like, should you

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<v Speaker 1>get your tubes tied or should I get a vasectomy?

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<v Speaker 1>You know absolutely, uh in recovery time, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days later. Um for vasectomy is you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of doing pretty well, and it takes a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>or up to a few weeks for recovery for tubal ligation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because tubal ligation is so much more invasive. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a much greater surgical procedure. Um. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one other thing that is really important is like, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's considered a gift from the guy to

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<v Speaker 1>his wife because you're saying like, hey, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about this stuff anymore. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>take the pill anymore, you don't have to get an

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<v Speaker 1>I U D, you don't have to get injections. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to get your tubes tied. Like I'll

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<v Speaker 1>handle this for both of us, and I'll take one

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<v Speaker 1>for the team. And that that really is like a

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<v Speaker 1>genuine gift that you can give your partner. That I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like they I imagine they will value you for it

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least to put it in a really

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<v Speaker 1>sta away Sure, no pun intended, No, sadly, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not that sharp today. Well, let's take a break. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sharpen you up, and we're gonna come back and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the procedure right after this. All right, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. We're talking vasectomes. Keep saying it like it's

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<v Speaker 1>got an F in their vasectomese vasectomies, And the point

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<v Speaker 1>of a vasectomy is to keep your sperm away from

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<v Speaker 1>your semen. Uh. And this is where Dave uses a

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<v Speaker 1>word that just cracks me up. It's that material. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He says that semen is all of the material that

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<v Speaker 1>comes out of the penis during ejaculation. For some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just sounds like you're pulling a

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<v Speaker 1>silk scarf out of a sleep or something. That's that's great,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you add biological in front of it, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets even worse because you're like, for some reason, you

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<v Speaker 1>just imagine it everywhere for as I do at least,

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<v Speaker 1>but sperm and semen are two different things, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>sperm is just one tiny component component of semen and um.

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<v Speaker 1>You could make a really good case that semen exists

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<v Speaker 1>if you're into intelligent design and that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>as a vehicle for sperm. But what humans have cleverly

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<v Speaker 1>figured out is you can keep the semen, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of the sperm, and you can do this

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<v Speaker 1>you can spread the biological material all over the place

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<v Speaker 1>without any worry of getting pregnant because all you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>is removing the sperm from entering the semen, and the

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<v Speaker 1>semen comes out like normal. It's just sperm free after

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<v Speaker 1>of a vasectomy, that's right. Uh. It's called a vasectomy,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, because of the vase the A S

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<v Speaker 1>deference a k a. The sperm duct um that is

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<v Speaker 1>basically the target of this operation. It is a tube

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<v Speaker 1>in the scrotum in the pelvis. It's called the vast deference.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two of them because you have two testes

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<v Speaker 1>and so a vase difference. If you well, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what you actually do, but it's called a vast

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<v Speaker 1>ectomy because of that, right, And you can remember that

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<v Speaker 1>by saying a vasectomy makes a vast deference in your

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<v Speaker 1>sex life. Very nice those off the cuff. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not have that written down at least so um with

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<v Speaker 1>so with the with the vasectomy, the vast deference is

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<v Speaker 1>just cutting. That's it. The vest difference from each testicle.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's all there is to it. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little more to it, but it's really that basic.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to talk about the procedure. Yeah, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got these two vast deference each one, uh is

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<v Speaker 1>about twelve to eight eighteen inches. But size isn't important

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<v Speaker 1>here from what I've been told. Uh. And they run

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<v Speaker 1>from the base of your test e s up around

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<v Speaker 1>to the back of the bladder where your seminal vesicles are.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you said, their their job is to take

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<v Speaker 1>your sperm mix it in with the rest of your

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<v Speaker 1>semanic material. Which I don't think we said what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fluids from the seminal vessel, fluids from the prostate, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and from what's called the bulb I had it earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the bulba erethoral grands. No, I'm afraid not go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>hit me. I think it's bulbo your rethroll. Yes, it

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely is so bad to me, is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>worst words I've ever seen. It looks like what it describes.

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<v Speaker 1>In my imagination, that word looks like it can't you

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<v Speaker 1>can't you just see it. But you put all this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff together, and you've got the biological material that comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of the penis during ejaculation, Like Dave says, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So the vast difference its role is to move sperm

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<v Speaker 1>from the testies too. I think the prostate um to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver this to your um, to your semen. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>when you have a vasectomy, all you're doing is cutting

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<v Speaker 1>the vast difference, so you're removing sperm from the equation um.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I think it's probably time to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the surgery step by step, right, And I think when

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<v Speaker 1>we do this, most people who don't know about this

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be amazed because it is wham bam,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, ma'am kind of surgery. Considering what you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>and the effect that it has, the outcome it has,

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<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly simple and fast. Yeah, maybe we should cue

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<v Speaker 1>up Yakety Sacks. That's the perfect Did you ever see

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<v Speaker 1>Dolly Parton at um? Oh? I can't remember what the

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<v Speaker 1>glaston Bury I think festival I did she said, I

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<v Speaker 1>can play yakety sacks backwards and she turns around and

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<v Speaker 1>plays it. Oh my god. Still after all this time,

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<v Speaker 1>she is National Treasure, International, Treasure Global. So what they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do is they're gonna numb the area that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be working on with local anesthetic on either

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<v Speaker 1>side of the scrowtum. That may be the most harrowing

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<v Speaker 1>part for for people listening to this. H They're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make two small incisions at the top of the scuretum

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<v Speaker 1>so they have access to uh each vast deference, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to I love that, he says. Gently. They're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do gently withdraw part of it through the incision.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna snip it, and they're gonna seal it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the stitches, sometimes they cauterize it. Uh. Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of things. But they're basically just gonna seal

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<v Speaker 1>up that tube and they're gonna close those tiny incisions

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<v Speaker 1>up with stitches or maybe glue even that is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever they have lying around exactly a little sawdust and spit.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's it, man, that is it. And again, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy is cutting into your scrowedum, into your junk um,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say, I mean guy in a gender neutral way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, who knows who your erologist is. But they

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<v Speaker 1>like they they are cutting into it. They know what

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. It's really just cutting through a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of skin that again has been anesthetized locally. And I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's it. Like this, it's almost like cutting a

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<v Speaker 1>rope and then taking a lighter and burning each end

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<v Speaker 1>so that it doesn't fray any longer. That's pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>analogous to a vasectomy, except the rope is in your

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<v Speaker 1>your scrowed them and they don't use it like a

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<v Speaker 1>big lighter. They probably use something else to cauterize it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then your riding your horse the next day. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably don't want to be doing that next day.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to wait a week to ride your horse.

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<v Speaker 1>But the point taken, you know. Uh. They're also what's

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<v Speaker 1>called no scalpel vasectomes, which are not completely no scalpel,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are no incisions made in a technical sense.

0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.280
<v Speaker 1>They use a this sounds even norse. Actually they use

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<v Speaker 1>a punch tool to punch a small hole in the

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<v Speaker 1>skin of the scrotum, and then they withdraw the section

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<v Speaker 1>of the vast difference that way. Um, you still have

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<v Speaker 1>to use a scalpel to cut the cut the tube,

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<v Speaker 1>but apparently you heal up a little bit faster with

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<v Speaker 1>this method. Yeah, because there's no actual incision. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a puncture wound basically. So yeah, I mean it's smaller

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<v Speaker 1>surface area to to recover, I guess. Yeah. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, Josh Chuck or doctor, doctor, well what about

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<v Speaker 1>all that sperm? I got so much sperm? Where is

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<v Speaker 1>it gonna go? And it is gonna build up? And

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<v Speaker 1>that you know that's a problem. Uh, that is not

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Your body absorbs the sperm. You don't get

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<v Speaker 1>some big, like massive sperm build up. Let me tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about your sperm and where it matures over seventy days.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also it's in the epididymus. And your epididymus

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<v Speaker 1>is eighteen feet long, and it's coiled up in your testies.

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<v Speaker 1>Each testicle has an epididymus that's eighteen ft long if

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<v Speaker 1>you stretched it out, and this is where the sperm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of gathers and grows and and gets ready for action.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently after your vasectomy and the sperm has nowhere

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<v Speaker 1>to go. It stays in the epididymus, which naturally absorbs

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<v Speaker 1>it back into the bloodstream because if you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't see any action for a while, your sperm can

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<v Speaker 1>get kind of old and your body wants new, fresh

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<v Speaker 1>good sperm to be used, so the old stuff gets

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<v Speaker 1>absorbed anyway happening, Yes exactly. This isn't like some new

0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.040
<v Speaker 1>thing that your body has to do. It's just that's

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<v Speaker 1>all it does now is absorbs sperm. It doesn't ejaculate

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. Right, Um, you mentioned the term bestotomy earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Technically that's probably what it should be called. Uh ectomy

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<v Speaker 1>is is usually when you are removing something, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>really not removing anything in this So if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to get super technical, you could call it a bestotomy

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<v Speaker 1>and your doctor might just say yeah, yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>got you, or they might be like, oh, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a nice valium too, because you impressed

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<v Speaker 1>them so much. There's one other thing about the sperm.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a kind of vasectomy called an open end vasectomy,

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<v Speaker 1>where they just caught or eze them the tube leading

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<v Speaker 1>to your prostate and the tube that's coming right out

0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.560
<v Speaker 1>of your testicle is left open. So that the sperm

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<v Speaker 1>actually just does flow out into your scrotum and it

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<v Speaker 1>gets absorbed in there as well. And is it like

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<v Speaker 1>one of those uh spaghetti sprinklers that kids run through

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<v Speaker 1>when you turn it on. No, it's like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those um those like air blow guys that like tire

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<v Speaker 1>stores used to bring in the customers. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>more like that or either one, because they're both the life. Um, this,

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<v Speaker 1>like we mentioned, takes about twenty minutes, doesn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>to take that long. Sometimes they can get you in

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<v Speaker 1>another and as little as ten minutes you might get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of pain meds. But um, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know this is from from Dave sort of telling his

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<v Speaker 1>firsthand that after the first day or so, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>not that big of a deal. But you're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>resting for twenty four hours you meet chilling out in bed. Basically, Um,

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.919
<v Speaker 1>you want to wear this is pretty funny. Um, you

0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.439
<v Speaker 1>want to wear tidy whitey's very tight underwear or a

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<v Speaker 1>jock strap for forty eight hours? Right, Probably the tidy

0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:34.160
<v Speaker 1>whities is preferable. I don't know, jock strap is pretty good. Look,

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.240
<v Speaker 1>you just don't want to think swinging around because you

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<v Speaker 1>have two incisions on your scrotum that have been stitched up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't want to, you know, loosen the stitches,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the point. Yeah, what else you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>Cold pack? No, no, no doubt, like actual frozen bag

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<v Speaker 1>of frozen peas could work, um, because it could become inflamed.

0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Your body has been insulted and it's going to react

0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.600
<v Speaker 1>with inflammation. That helps with it. Um. Again, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have pain, and you probably won't need them after the

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.920
<v Speaker 1>first day. You might need like advil or tail and

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<v Speaker 1>all or whatever. Your regular analgesic is. Um. But like

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying earlier, you can't ride a horse for a week, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in a couple of days, you can do desk work

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that and you're off your feet, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>no sports and and uh no sexual activity for a week.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the sort of trick is you're gonna still

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 1>have sperm in your system after a vasectomy. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a chance if you had unprotected sex with your

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<v Speaker 1>partner right away, uh, that you could get them pregnant. Uh.

0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:42.959
<v Speaker 1>You need to clear the system. So it takes up

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the fifteen to twenty ejaculations to clear the system out.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you want to go back to having sex

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:54.040
<v Speaker 1>that you know, like literally one week after you have

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<v Speaker 1>had this operation without getting pregnant with your partner, you're

0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, do the math, You're you're welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>seven grade. Basically, yes, So like for a good three months,

0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.719
<v Speaker 1>they're basically like, you need to really be careful and

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:11.439
<v Speaker 1>they're going to get you in there um afterward as

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<v Speaker 1>part of this post operative care about you know, anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>from like a month and a half to three months

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<v Speaker 1>later to say, okay, give us a sperm sample and

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see if you have any any guys swimming

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<v Speaker 1>around in there, and uh, if you pass, they will

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<v Speaker 1>say you've got no sperm, go forth and have fun um.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't pass, they'll say, okay, well we

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<v Speaker 1>need to to you know, keep safe a little longer

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<v Speaker 1>and then come back and give us another sample. And

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<v Speaker 1>they'll keep doing that until there's just no sperm found,

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<v Speaker 1>like zero no sperm, so zero percent sperm, I guess

0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:48.760
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, am I reading

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<v Speaker 1>this correctly? Though? Because you can have sex seven days later,

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>it takes fifteen to twenty ejaculations yet they check you

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<v Speaker 1>out six to twelve weeks later. Yeah, they're saying, like

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<v Speaker 1>you behave as if you did before your vasectomy for

0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>six to twelve weeks. Like if your wife or your

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>partners on the pill, she should probably stay on the

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:14.119
<v Speaker 1>pill for six to twelve weeks until you get the

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 1>all clear if you use condoms, keep using condoms, and

0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>during that time when you have sex, there is that

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 1>risk that you will still get pregnant until you get

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that all clear from a sperm test that finds no sperm. Right,

0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.840
<v Speaker 1>But is that because they assume it will take six

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<v Speaker 1>to twelve weeks to have those twenty ejaculations. I got you,

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I got you. I don't know, because that does seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a really long time, doesn't it. Well, I mean

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that's why I said, welcome back to seventh grade. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to knock that out in a week, I'm

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 1>glad you went back and explain that. I thought you

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:49.959
<v Speaker 1>were what you were saying, like you're worried about getting

0:24:50.080 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>someone pregnant. I can say this in a grown up way.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean you can masturbate twenty times in a

0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>week and clear out your system and you're you'll be good?

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.480
<v Speaker 1>To go or is it really like you really need

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<v Speaker 1>to think about this six weeks later to twelve weeks later.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I would guess if you boasted to

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.480
<v Speaker 1>your urologist that twenty ejaculations is not going to take

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you six weeks, they might say, okay, well, schedule lists

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>for three weeks from now or four weeks or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I would think, so, yeah, yeah, I would guess,

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<v Speaker 1>so all right, because they have like a wall of

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:27.000
<v Speaker 1>fame in the office. Right, it's just covered here in

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>two days. Um, so yeah, I fifteen to twenty ejaculations

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and ejaculations and ejaculation, right, it doesn't it doesn't have

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 1>to just be through intercourse or coitus, I think, is

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 1>what the kids call it. That is true. How many

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 1>times have we said ejaculation in this episode? More than ten?

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>I would say, So you want to take another break

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<v Speaker 1>and then come back and talk about some of the

0:25:51.359 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>risks involved, because there are risks, it's true, but they're

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>just fairly small. Yeah, let's get let's do that and

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<v Speaker 1>get back to it. M Okay. So when you cut

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.880
<v Speaker 1>into a scrotum, when you cut a part of an

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:26.199
<v Speaker 1>internal network of tissues, um and steal it back up

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and called it as it. There are risks UM, even

0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>though you're not under the risk of general anesthesia. UM,

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 1>you could conceivably get an infection at the incision site.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>UM that you can get blood clots um inside of

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.720
<v Speaker 1>the scrotum, Blood can show up in your semen, your

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.800
<v Speaker 1>scrotum can become bruised. All of these things, at least

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>the first few that I mentioned are stuff that you

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>probably will get as a result of a vasectomy, but

0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>they're going to clear up fairly quickly. And again that

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.959
<v Speaker 1>bag of frozen Peace can really help with the inflammation

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the tile and all or advil come and help with

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 1>everything else. There are some some actual possible longer term

0:27:06.280 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 1>complications that you should be aware of though. Two. Yeah,

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>there's a very small percentage I think one to two

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 1>people who have chronic pain after the surgery. UM. And

0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:21.160
<v Speaker 1>these are the people in this category or the part

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of the percentage of people who one day might want

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 1>to get this reverse because of that chronic pain. UH.

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:31.719
<v Speaker 1>An abnormal cyst called a UH spermato seal, Yeah, I

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:35.479
<v Speaker 1>think so. Yeah, that could develop UH in the coiled

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>tube located at the upper part of the testicle UH

0:27:38.880 --> 0:27:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that collects and transports that sperm. But these are, like

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>we said, these are down. If you're down in the

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>low single percentage points, it's you know, considered very low

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:54.360
<v Speaker 1>risk UM. And you know, the the upshot of her

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the UM. The upside of it, I should say, is

0:27:56.880 --> 0:28:01.640
<v Speaker 1>that again, UM, you actually will probably experience, at least

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>as far as some studies have found, UH, an increase

0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>in sexual satisfaction. Because cutting your vast difference has nothing

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to do with hormones. That has nothing to do with UM,

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.480
<v Speaker 1>your ability to get an erection, your ability to ejaculate.

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:19.959
<v Speaker 1>There's another one UM instead. Again, it's just removing sperm

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>from the equation. That that's it. That's right. UH. Testosterone,

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.720
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about that. That is produced in the test

0:28:27.920 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>is like the sperm. But there's a different kind of cell.

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>It's called the late late egg cell or the lighting cell.

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I like the second one better, let's go with that,

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:41.959
<v Speaker 1>the lighting cell UM. But it goes it has a

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>one way trip. It goes directly from the tests into

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the bloodstream. It does not go through the vast deference.

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>There is no impact whatsoever on your testosterone. UH. In

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>sex drive and in fact, it may actually increase your

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 1>sexual desire. Um. They've done studies. It had one in

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Germany that said that, uh that if you've had a vasectomy,

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you have a greater or at least they reported greater

0:29:07.120 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>satisfaction than the control with orgasm, with sexual desire, with

0:29:12.640 --> 0:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>satisfaction of intercourse with erectile function. Spontaneity, that's a big one. Yeah.

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of it may just be psychological,

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>like all right, um, I'm free, I don't have to

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>worry about this anymore, so that that'll probably increase all

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 1>kinds of happiness. Yeah, exactly. I get the impression that

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that is um from this German study from I think

0:29:32.480 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and seventeen. Um. They they surveyed both men

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>with vasectomies and their partners, uh, and found that the

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>partners were like, yeah, actually it's a little more arousing.

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>The actual act of sex didn't change for me at all,

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.040
<v Speaker 1>but there's something, there's something going on here, And I

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>think I would chalk that up to spontaneity and not

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>having to stop to like put on a condom or

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, feeling freer because you didn't have to take

0:29:56.600 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>a pill that day. That kind of thing. It wasn't like, doc,

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you. We started doing some crazy stuff.

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever done it in a target changing? Oh no, no, no,

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>don't tell your doctor that. So um, well, we said

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.880
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, a thousand dollars, which is, like you said,

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 1>nothing to sneeze at all. But compared to tubal ligation,

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>which is six thousand dollars at least, um, it's much cheaper.

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:27.480
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, in the United States, insurance companies don't

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>have to cover vasectomies. They do have to cover tubal

0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>ligation procedures. And it's probable that that accounts in addition

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 1>to the patriarchy that you mentioned full stop. Um, in

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>addition to that full stop some people just being cheap

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and saying like no, I mean like we can get

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>a tubal ligation for like fifty bucks and you know,

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than vasectomy for a thousand dollars. And if there's

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>any man out there who does not want to get

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>a vasectomy, he's going to hammer that point home every

0:30:54.440 --> 0:31:00.000
<v Speaker 1>chance he gets until he went he gets his way. Yeah. Maybe, uh,

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned people getting wanting these reverse About six percent

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of people who get a vasectomy end up wanting that reversal.

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Like we said, some of those come from the chronic

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>pain category, and other people you know, want to have

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>kids and decide, oh I've made a great mistake. Um,

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.720
<v Speaker 1>that'll cost you between five and fifteen grand and it'll

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 1>take four to six hours. And even when you do, uh,

0:31:24.600 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>if it's considered you know, quote unquote successful, your pregnancy

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>success rate UM is between thirty and moving forward. So

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>some people say, just go I v F. Then if

0:31:37.720 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 1>you want to do that and get that sperm directly

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.480
<v Speaker 1>from the testicles, uh, because as a much better success rate,

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>you can do that if you want. That'll still cost

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you a bundalow IVF. It's not cheap, yeah, but it's

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot less invasive and permanent than reversing your vasectomy. Right,

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.959
<v Speaker 1>that's right. Um, Remember how we said that vasectomes are

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>like effective or something like that, they have like a

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>one percent fail your rate. I think we said that

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 1>that failure rate comes very often from something called reconalization.

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Did you see that part? I don't think it's all

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>that part. So reconalization is where the vast deference grows

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>back together. It creates new tissue that basically go around

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:24.840
<v Speaker 1>the stitches or the clamps or the cauterization and grows

0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>new tubes that seek out and connect with the other

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>end of the vast difference and reconnect. It's which is

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>it just goes to show you that nature finds a way.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 1>But again, O, man is it? Life almost had it? Um.

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>But again this is really really rare. And apparently the

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>positioning of the to the separate ends of the vast

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>difference has a huge effect on that too, Like you

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>don't want to leave them anywhere near each other, you know, Oh,

0:32:55.560 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>I see you over there. And one of the things

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>about that reversible vasectomy UM, like apparently that's a holy

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>grail in neurology. Uh, And they're looking at ways to

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to basically temporarily UM create a vasectomy. There's stuff called

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>reversible inhibition of sperm under guidance. It's a type of

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>gel that you can put into the vast deference and

0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>then it has to be flushed out later on UM

0:33:20.160 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>to remove it, and then all of a sudden, it's

0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like your vasectomy was reversed. Yeah. That this falls under

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>the same category of like simplicity, Like I imagine they

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>were trying to think of an easy way to reverse this,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and somebody was like, hey, you have any gum, You

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>have any chewing gum? Right, we could, we could clog

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 1>up that tube. And that's basically all they're doing. They're

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>clogging the tube with a gelled implant, and uh, yeah,

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.640
<v Speaker 1>it makes a lot of sense. Better make sure that

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:53.320
<v Speaker 1>that clog is pretty tight. Yes, apparently that has a

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>failure rate from one Indian study in two thousand nine

0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>of four percent, where again of vasectomy as one percent. Yeah,

0:34:01.000 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I think safety is the concern. They're right, absolutely right.

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>So I saw it explained as with a with a

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>pill with women UM, the control group in when you're

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:15.560
<v Speaker 1>figuring out safety is pregnant women and UM pregnancy is

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.959
<v Speaker 1>riskier than the side effects are complications from taking the pill.

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>So the pill wins out. It's safer, it's justified, and

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that's how it gets um UM the green light for

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:29.759
<v Speaker 1>use UM. With a male pill, the control group is

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>just healthy men. There's no pregnancy, so the male pill

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 1>has to stop sperm production withoutside effects, like any side effects.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Because if you go beyond a healthy male um as

0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the which is the control group, then all of a

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>sudden it's less safe and it probably won't get approved,

0:34:49.040 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>so they're actually, yeah, there actually is. I'll though I

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>don't know how hard they're working on a mail pill.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Probably not so hard, although you never know. Is that funny?

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather not say. Come on, um, all right, we'll

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>finish up with a little bit of talk on eugenics.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>We did an episode many, many years ago about sterilizing addicts,

0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:18.680
<v Speaker 1>specifically uh, which is you go back and listen to

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that episode. It's pretty interesting, probably somewhat outdated at this point,

0:35:22.960 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 1>but who knows. Yeah, just the use of addicts I

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 1>think is outdated, so but it's still it's a pretty

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 1>interesting episode. But this is a notion that started out

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>all the way back in the mid eighteen hundreds. Veterinarians

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 1>started experimenting with dogs, giving dogs vasectomys instead of castrating them,

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and in the eighties started performing performing them on men.

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And of course it didn't take very long for eugenicists

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to get involved and say, hey, this is a great

0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:01.319
<v Speaker 1>thing because we can just essentially nouter crim pinals, we

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.959
<v Speaker 1>can neuter people who are mentally ill, we can neuter

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.759
<v Speaker 1>people who are poor, and that will solve a lot

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:10.240
<v Speaker 1>of the world's problems. Yeah, and so the eugenics movement

0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:12.399
<v Speaker 1>really took this up. Um. There was a guy named

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>Dr Harry Sharp in the United States. He was a

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:19.919
<v Speaker 1>leading performer of vasectomys among eugenicists, among anybody. I would

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>guess he actually performed the first vasectomy for non medical reasons. Um.

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>It was on a nineteen year old inmate at a

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>reform school in Indiana who had complained of excessive masturbation,

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.399
<v Speaker 1>and so Sharp game a vasectomy and said that he

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>quote became more of a sunny disposition, brighter of intellect,

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and ceased to masturbate end quote. And um, he kind

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of went from there within a decade on just a

0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>tear where anybody who he deemed or the eugenics movement

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>deemed undesirable to the gene pool should be should receive

0:36:55.080 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a vasectomy. Yeah. Alongside him was an American named Albert

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Osner published a book, or I guess at least a

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>pamphlet called Surgical Treatment of Habitual Criminals, Uh that advocated for, uh,

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.839
<v Speaker 1>you know exactly what it says, making criminals sterile. Um.

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>And it was just sort of a time in the world,

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 1>and especially in the United States where they thought that

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>like I said, if you were in an almshouse, if

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>you were in an asylum, um, if you were certainly

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>if you were in prison, then it was a good

0:37:30.719 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>option to force a vasectomy on somebody. And this happened

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>to an alarming degree. I think through the end of

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:41.240
<v Speaker 1>World War Two they estimated about three hundred and twenty

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:47.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand UH forced sterilizations without consent. I did not see

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>a racial breakdown, but you can bet that it affected

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:54.319
<v Speaker 1>people of color more than others. It just would make

0:37:54.360 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>sense because that's how it's kind of gone in this country. Yeah,

0:37:58.000 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't. I mean, America was deaf really an

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 1>early proponent leader of eugenics. But if all this sounds,

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, ghastly familiar, that whole thread was picked up

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.839
<v Speaker 1>by the Nazis in the early nineteen thirties and they

0:38:10.880 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 1>sterilized countless people, both um through vasectomys and um through

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.879
<v Speaker 1>tubal ligation. And apparently I didn't realize this. Switzerland had

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 1>early eugenics law, apparently the first eugenics law, and they

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:28.960
<v Speaker 1>targeted the roma, and the roma could were still subject

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>to involuntary vasectomys up until nineteen seventy two in Switzerland,

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:40.399
<v Speaker 1>isn't that insane? Yeah, that's uh, that's shameful. And by

0:38:40.400 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>the way, when I said it made sense that they

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.480
<v Speaker 1>forced sterilization probably on people of color more you know

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>how I meant it? Right? Everyone Sure, it didn't mean

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>that made sense in any kind of ethical way. It

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:53.960
<v Speaker 1>made sense because that's how people of color have been

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 1>treated in this country. I like the person who thought

0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that this had to have been their first episode and

0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:01.880
<v Speaker 1>now explained it to that one person. Just want to

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 1>clear that up. Alright, good, everybody knows chuck. So ending

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 1>it on eugenics is kind of a sour note. So

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:12.920
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about one more old timey thing, um medical procedure.

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>It is misguided, but it's not nearly as bad as

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:19.799
<v Speaker 1>vasectomys for eugenics. Um. There's an Austrian andrew chronologist named

0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Eugene Steinuk, and he said, I've got this great idea.

0:39:24.400 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 1>If I cut just one vast difference, the other one

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>will still be able to contribute sperm to the seamen,

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:33.799
<v Speaker 1>but the severed vest difference will give up on sperm

0:39:33.880 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and go into overdrive for producing hormones like testosterone, which

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>will give men just this huge boost of virility, and

0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>he started going crazy performing it on everybody who would

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<v Speaker 1>step up. Yeah. Basically like, if you want to increase

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<v Speaker 1>your sex drive, you can have this elective procedure. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And people like Sigmund Freud and writer William Yates use

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<v Speaker 1>this uh procedure and under went this procedure to boost

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<v Speaker 1>their sex drive. Yeah. And apparently, um, they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>actually testosterone works totally differently and that what you just

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<v Speaker 1>did all these people doesn't work at all. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Steinock went retired in disgrace. Um. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was a pretty fun factoid, prepare for this one, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should take us out with us. Okay. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>day found a statistic because and who knows that this

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<v Speaker 1>is correlation or not, but there is a statistic because

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<v Speaker 1>you you're supposed to lay around for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're laying around for a couple of days, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you're reading a book, educating yourself, or maybe you're just

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<v Speaker 1>watching a lot of television. But didn't they find that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the finding was that the procedure went up

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<v Speaker 1>a lot during March Madness in c double a basketball

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<v Speaker 1>tournament time, so men could have an excused to lay

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<v Speaker 1>around and watch it. Is that right? A thirty percent

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<v Speaker 1>increase in vasectomy procedures in the US during the first

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<v Speaker 1>round of the n c a A A basketball tournament. They

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<v Speaker 1>call it vast madness. I gotta know if that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's why, gotta know? Well, the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>find out, Chuck, is to undergo of a sectomy procedure

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<v Speaker 1>and ask your eurologists during the middle of it, because

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<v Speaker 1>you won't be under general ESTI anesthesia, it'll be local

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<v Speaker 1>mhm uh do you got anything else? I've got nothing else? Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck said he's got nothing else, which means, of course

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<v Speaker 1>it's time for a listener mail. That's right. Uh. This

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<v Speaker 1>is from our buddy Mark Koontz. Mark and Gayl Counts

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<v Speaker 1>are longtime listeners and and real life pals of mind.

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<v Speaker 1>They came to our show in Cleveland, and Gayl is

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<v Speaker 1>a longtime movie crusher. But Mark wrote us an email

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<v Speaker 1>about suicide Awareness Month, which it is right now. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a Mark is you know he's out

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<v Speaker 1>there doing like the tough work. Great dude. Uh. September

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<v Speaker 1>is back to school season, guys in Suicide Prevention Month,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you. Suicide prevention is on my mind more

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<v Speaker 1>than usual. As know. I'm a licensed art therapist at

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<v Speaker 1>Clark County Educational Service Center in Springfield, Ohio, helps schools

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<v Speaker 1>meet the mental health needs of thousands of students. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people think of suicide prevention with youth means focusing on

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<v Speaker 1>trauma and handling and handing out hotline information, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course sometimes you do those things. But my favorite suicide

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<v Speaker 1>prevention program and the reason I'm writing is called Sources

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<v Speaker 1>of Strength. That is a youth led suicide prevention program

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<v Speaker 1>that has been used in schools across the U. S

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<v Speaker 1>and Canada and Australia. Sources of Strength are things like

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<v Speaker 1>positive friends, mentors, and mental health. These are some of

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<v Speaker 1>the protective factors that we can rely on when we're

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<v Speaker 1>stressed or to help us get through a crisis. UH

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<v Speaker 1>And for the past year I've been trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>sources of strength and every single one of my county

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<v Speaker 1>schools and with funding and support from the Ohio Suicide

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<v Speaker 1>Prevention Foundation and Prevention First with an exclamation point, schools

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio can implement sources of Strength at no cost.

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<v Speaker 1>So if your list some thing he just want to

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<v Speaker 1>Grant for like tin Grand or something like that, which

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<v Speaker 1>is genius grant. He's won it before, I think, but

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<v Speaker 1>he says. If you're listening to this and you're in Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>you can learn by visiting Sources of Strength Ohio dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you're not in Ohai, you should still visit

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<v Speaker 1>the Sources of Strength dot org website and learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the sources eight protective factors. Also, adults need protective factors too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to thank both of you for always advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for mental health as well as spreading useful and be

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<v Speaker 1>official information to all of us, and for being positive

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<v Speaker 1>people in the world. Your voices mean so much to

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<v Speaker 1>so many. Greatest thanks from your old pal Mark Counts.

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<v Speaker 1>So hey Mark and Gale and your cute pets. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate the work you're doing. Yeah, same here at Mark. UM.

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