WEBVTT - Rainbow Fentanyl: Spooky Week #4

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<v Speaker 1>Wellcome to the final Spooky Week episode. Hi, Look, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this is it could happen here, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>our last Spooky Week episode for this year, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be talking about something extremely spooky and Halloween themed.

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<v Speaker 1>Rainbow fentonel the newest deadly threat hiding in your kids

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<v Speaker 1>trigger treat basket, or so you would think if you

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<v Speaker 1>are a frequent viewer of Fox News or really any

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<v Speaker 1>local cable news channel, and that rainbow fentanyl in particular

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<v Speaker 1>is troublesome because of its appearance. This is treacherous decepsion

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<v Speaker 1>to market rainbow fentonel like candy. This is every parents

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<v Speaker 1>worst nightmare, especially in the month of October as Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>fast approaches. That was Fox five News, New York and

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<v Speaker 1>d E a special agent Frank Tarantino, giving a press

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<v Speaker 1>conference on the rainbow fentinel scourge sweeping the nation. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not hard to see how this narrative became the new

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<v Speaker 1>protect the children pearl clutching panic. It's a natural extension

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<v Speaker 1>of the police officer touches fentinel and spontaneously overdoses lie

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<v Speaker 1>that local news across the country have been pushing for

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<v Speaker 1>over a year now. More on this later coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>the old classic poisoned, drug laced, tampered Halloween candy myth

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<v Speaker 1>that's captivated American parents for decades, whether it be razor

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<v Speaker 1>blades and napples, needles and tutsie rules, meth in, gummy bears,

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine candy corn, or th HC sour Patch kids. If

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<v Speaker 1>you've ever watched any local news during the month of October,

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<v Speaker 1>clips like these should sound really familiar. Police in at

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<v Speaker 1>least two Wisconsin towns are investing in reports of possible

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween candy tampering breaking right now at ten concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>possible tainted candy in Economy Walk tonight. Police tell us

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<v Speaker 1>they've received reports of a suspicious person handing out Tutsi

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<v Speaker 1>roles on Oakwood Avenue. Right now, police have no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that any candy has definitely been tampered with, the world's

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<v Speaker 1>leading researcher on Halloween candy tampering, Joel Best, professor of

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<v Speaker 1>sociology and criminal justice at the University of Delaware, has

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<v Speaker 1>found little evidence to substantiate Halloween candy fears. Joel Best

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<v Speaker 1>has published multiple studies analyzing the legitimacy of Halloween candy tampering,

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<v Speaker 1>including his research paper The Razor Blade in the Apple,

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<v Speaker 1>The Social Construction of Urban Legends, and his sociology book

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<v Speaker 1>Threatened Children, Rhetoric and Concern around Child Victims. I have

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<v Speaker 1>followed press coverage of Halloween back to night so more

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<v Speaker 1>than sixty years, and I cannot find any evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>any child has ever been killed or seriously injured by

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<v Speaker 1>a contaminated treat picked up in the course of triggered treaty.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's go back to kind of where all this started.

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<v Speaker 1>The first report of Halloween treats being tampered with in

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<v Speaker 1>North America was in nineteen fifty nine. That Halloween, a

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<v Speaker 1>California dentist named William Sheen distributed four hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>laxative laced candies to children, thirty of whom fell ill.

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<v Speaker 1>He was later charged with outrage of public decency and

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<v Speaker 1>unlawful dispensing of drugs. This is kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>only incident that says that this has ever actually happened

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<v Speaker 1>with was back in the late fifties. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>only true one of someone like handing out actually laced

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<v Speaker 1>candy to tons of kids. Now, to determine whether the

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<v Speaker 1>current tempered Halloween candy myths hold any weight. Joel Best

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<v Speaker 1>examined twenty five years of Halloween coverage from the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Times, Los Angeles Times, and Chicago Tribune. In his research,

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<v Speaker 1>he found that there's only been one confirmed death from

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<v Speaker 1>a poisoned Halloween candy, and it wasn't from a nefarious

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<v Speaker 1>stranger who wanted to harm tricker treaters. The fatal incident

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<v Speaker 1>occurred in nineteen seventy four, after a Texas man named

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Clark O'Brien poisoned his eight year old son with

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<v Speaker 1>a cyanide laced pixie stick, shortly after he took insurance

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<v Speaker 1>claims out on his children. O'Brien had reportedly given poisoned

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<v Speaker 1>pixie sticks to his daughter and three other neighborhood children,

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<v Speaker 1>but the candy had not been consumed since then. Joel

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<v Speaker 1>Best said that in some instances, kids tamper with their

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<v Speaker 1>own candy to get attention, or a friend or a

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<v Speaker 1>family member played a prank that went awry, or even

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign object ended up inside candy during the manufacturing process.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the majority of these types of claims that

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see on the local news. Now Halloween can be

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<v Speaker 1>a particularly dangerous holiday, but not due to tampered candy.

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<v Speaker 1>The real notable danger comes from pedestrian deaths. I study

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<v Speaker 1>published last year in Jama Pediatrics analyzed data over a

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<v Speaker 1>forty two year period in the United States and found

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<v Speaker 1>a forty three percent higher risk of pedestrian deaths on

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween night when compared to the week before and after.

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<v Speaker 1>John Staples, lead author and clinical Assistant Professor of medicine

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<v Speaker 1>and as scientist at University of British Columbia, said that quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we found that particularly among kids age four to eight,

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<v Speaker 1>the risk was tenfold higher on Halloween. So yeah, Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>actually is pretty dangerous, but it's from a car, not

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<v Speaker 1>from someone sneaking drugs into your kids candy. Last year,

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<v Speaker 1>before the current Rainbow Centinel scare, the drug laced trick

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<v Speaker 1>in your kids treat was weed laced candy and snacks,

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<v Speaker 1>causing quote unquote THHC overdose among children. But shady marijuana

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<v Speaker 1>pushers package them just for kids, and if stony patch

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<v Speaker 1>kids are made extend, it's hard to tell. And unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>the black market is making it easy for children to

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<v Speaker 1>get these products. Ben Salem Police confiscated what looks like

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<v Speaker 1>normal candy during a traffic stop earlier this month. But

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<v Speaker 1>these Sweethearts, they're medicated. These sour patch candies have a twist,

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<v Speaker 1>and these Cheetos are anything but all of these items

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<v Speaker 1>are laced with th HC. By laced with th HC,

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<v Speaker 1>they mean the forty dollar Stoner Patch dummies are a

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<v Speaker 1>manufactured weed candy sold in legal weed shops across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that these novel t THC products are incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>expensive and in packaging covered in we leaves doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>to matter. Um, But yes, I'm sure the black market

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<v Speaker 1>is super eager to give away tiny fifty dollar bags

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<v Speaker 1>of weeded rito's. Two children dressed as the Avengers all right,

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<v Speaker 1>now the details on a big warning for parents. Tonight

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<v Speaker 1>police officers and Ben Salem confiscated these items during the stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's candy laced with marijuana, and now police don't want

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<v Speaker 1>these friendly looking snacks to get into the wrong hands.

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<v Speaker 1>With Halloween coming up. I'm going to quote from Filter

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<v Speaker 1>mag quote. Attorneys general across the country are participating in

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<v Speaker 1>the annual tradition of urging parents to stand vigilant against

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<v Speaker 1>free drugs disguised as candy. On October four, State a

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<v Speaker 1>g s issued such claims, all using the same data

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<v Speaker 1>and language which appears to have been generously pre written

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<v Speaker 1>for them by the Department of Homeland Security Ohio, Illinois, Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>and in New York and Arkansas. Earlier that month decried

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<v Speaker 1>the dangers of youth THHC overdose, but without hinting at

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<v Speaker 1>what those dangers might be, except for New York Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General Letitia James, who alone of the ages swung big,

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<v Speaker 1>saying New York parents should be on the alert for

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<v Speaker 1>deceptive cannabis products that look like standard snacks and candy

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<v Speaker 1>but contain dangerously high concentrations of th HC. These products

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<v Speaker 1>are especially dangerous for our children. We've seen an increase

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<v Speaker 1>in accidental overdoses among children and nationwide, and it's vital

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<v Speaker 1>that we do everything we can to protect our children

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<v Speaker 1>and curb this crisis and prevent any future harm or

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<v Speaker 1>even worse death. Now that's a stunning claim, even by

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<v Speaker 1>weed disinformation standards. To date, there's been no confirmed evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that THHC overdose has ever killed anybody, adult or child.

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<v Speaker 1>So with all of that drug laced Halloween history, onto

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<v Speaker 1>the latest rainbow colored menace in your child's tricker retreat basket.

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<v Speaker 1>As Halloween approaches, federal authorities are warning parents about the

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<v Speaker 1>deadly consequences of fentnel pills, particularly about the rainbow variety

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<v Speaker 1>that look like candy. The Drug Enforcement Agency first put

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<v Speaker 1>out a statement on multicolored quote unquote rainbow fentanyl near

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<v Speaker 1>the end of August two, claiming during that month that

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<v Speaker 1>the d e A and law enforcement partners seized brightly

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<v Speaker 1>colored fentanel and fentanel pills in twenty states. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is how the presence of colored fentanyl was framed in

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<v Speaker 1>the d e AS initial statement. Quote this trend appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be a new method used by Mexican drug cartels

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<v Speaker 1>to sell highly addictive and potentially deadly fentanyl made to

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<v Speaker 1>look like candy to children unquote. Now, obviously, children aren't

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest consumer base for these drugs, since they have

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<v Speaker 1>no money, have very low tolerance, and are unlikely to

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<v Speaker 1>be a repeat customer, but that hasn't stopped the d

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<v Speaker 1>e A from continuously referring to these colored pills as

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote marketing to attract kids, as if there's rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl ads on Nickelodeon or something. It seems the only

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<v Speaker 1>one marketing rainbow fentanyl is the d e A itself

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<v Speaker 1>and now news channels across the country. This is from

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<v Speaker 1>Good Morning America. Warning certainly one here that parents need

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<v Speaker 1>to hear with Halloween coming up. It's about potentially deadly

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<v Speaker 1>fentyl pills that look like candy. Obviously, the d e

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<v Speaker 1>A is an enforcement agency, not a harm reduction agency,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way they've been talking about fentanyl the past

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<v Speaker 1>few months has focused more on old War on Drugs

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<v Speaker 1>style propaganda, with anti immigrant drug warriors pushing the fentanyl

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<v Speaker 1>for kids narrative. The d e a s messaging seems

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<v Speaker 1>largely targeted to parents and more intended to cause panic

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<v Speaker 1>than actually work to prevent overdoses, and it distracts from

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<v Speaker 1>experts that's a drug. Criminalization is what actually increases overdoses,

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<v Speaker 1>not these quote unquote candy colored pills. Mariah Francis, a

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<v Speaker 1>resource associate with the National Harm Reduction Coalition, says such

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<v Speaker 1>rhetoric is quote an active byproduct of drug policies that

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<v Speaker 1>prioritize criminalization and political agendas over active harm reduction unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>as colored fentel can actually serve as an indicator that

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<v Speaker 1>these pills are not prescription drugs. The other War on

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<v Speaker 1>drugs style scare tactic being used a lot recently has

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<v Speaker 1>been promoting heavily publicized drug seizures and making highly exaggerated

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<v Speaker 1>claims about what the busts mean to the illicit drug

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<v Speaker 1>supply and public health. Michigan and Ohio, we seized approximately

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<v Speaker 1>four million deadly doses. Special Agent in charge Orville Green

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<v Speaker 1>says nationwide that number jumps to thirty six million deadly

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<v Speaker 1>doses seized and just four months in there in pill

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<v Speaker 1>and powder form, the source materials coming from China, produced

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<v Speaker 1>by drug cartels in Mexico, calling them quote unquote deadly doses,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, dude, if you quantify your seizure by an

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<v Speaker 1>amount that could be potentially deadly, I suppose you could

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<v Speaker 1>only measure in deadly quantities. I could do the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with with caffeine. I can go to the store

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<v Speaker 1>and pick up like ten bang energy drinks and be

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<v Speaker 1>I just got a deadly dose of caffee. Like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's if you're measuring it in that way, sure you

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<v Speaker 1>can measure it as deadly doses. Plus in that clip

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<v Speaker 1>from Fox to Detroit. You can see the anti China,

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<v Speaker 1>anti Mexico angle that they're running with now. Obviously, places

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<v Speaker 1>like Fox News has been eating this stuff up. Just

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<v Speaker 1>during the first half of September, the network mentioned rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>fentannel at least sixty six times on the air over

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<v Speaker 1>the previous month, weaponizing the narrative to blame migrants at

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<v Speaker 1>the border and China for the supposed is a threat

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<v Speaker 1>that the drug poses to poor, innocent children. And many

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<v Speaker 1>of people's most trusted news sources, which are local news outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>have contributed to the d e a's panic by parting

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<v Speaker 1>the agency's statements as pure fact, pushing the claim that

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<v Speaker 1>rainbow fentanyl is meant to attract kids just at face value,

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<v Speaker 1>presented without any skepticism, without any fact checking or information

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<v Speaker 1>from independent drug policy experts. Here is a headline from

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<v Speaker 1>ABC twenty four in Tennessee quote, rainbow fentanyl the colorful

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<v Speaker 1>marketing tactic already in Memphis streets. And this is from

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<v Speaker 1>a TV channel and Raleigh, North Carolina d A warrens

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<v Speaker 1>of so called rainbow fentanyl putting children at risk and

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<v Speaker 1>headlines like that have been a diame a dozen the

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<v Speaker 1>past month. Never once bringing up that there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>single piece of evidence that these pills are being peddled

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<v Speaker 1>on the playground. This is exactly the kind of behavior

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<v Speaker 1>from news organizations that leads to misinformation and panics, which

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<v Speaker 1>distract from actual public health dangers and relatively simple things

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<v Speaker 1>we can do to combat them. Fox News, many local

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<v Speaker 1>news stations, and the d e A itself has now

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<v Speaker 1>joined in the long standing annual tradition of Halloween candy

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<v Speaker 1>based fearmongering by baselessly claiming that parents should be concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about fentanyl appearing in their child's Halloween candy. Federal agents

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<v Speaker 1>with an urgent warning to parents about potentially deadly fentanyl

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<v Speaker 1>pills that look just like candy. Dubbed rainbow fentanyl, authorities

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<v Speaker 1>are calling it a newly packaged poison as Halloween is

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<v Speaker 1>around the corner. The idea that people are going to

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<v Speaker 1>give away free drugs for Halloween, which it just what

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<v Speaker 1>get wild concept? Um, I wish I would I would

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<v Speaker 1>go trick or treating more if there was free drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>But this idea has been boosted by elected leaders and

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<v Speaker 1>non d e A government officials. Florida's Attorney General, Ashley

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<v Speaker 1>Moody did a whole press conference saying quote Halloween can

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<v Speaker 1>be very scary, but nowhere near as scary as rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>colored fentanel that looks like candy and can be lethal

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<v Speaker 1>in minute doses. Whether these drugs are being transported in

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<v Speaker 1>candy boxes or mixed in with other common drugs and

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<v Speaker 1>sold unsuspecting users, the threat posed to the safety of

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<v Speaker 1>kids and young adults is very real. Just one pill

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<v Speaker 1>laced with fentinel can kill, so parents, please talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your children about the dangers posed by this extremely lethal drug.

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween could be scary, but that isn't anyway. Senator Rob

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<v Speaker 1>Portman wrote quote we must have all the boots on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground to interdict deadly rainbow fentanel as Halloween approaches,

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<v Speaker 1>which he posted alongside a Fox News story about fentinel

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<v Speaker 1>disguised in candy packaging, which is some pa a common

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<v Speaker 1>tactic to smuggle drugs through borders, which is why such

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<v Speaker 1>packaging is found so often in drug seizures. Now, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>is planning to give away free skittle fentanel to little

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<v Speaker 1>Timmy when he comes knocking on doors and more quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 1>and boots on the ground is exactly what law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>wanted when they started this lie. The d e A

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<v Speaker 1>budget has gone up every year, and so have Sentinel overdoses.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the won't somebody think of the children angle

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<v Speaker 1>that's so irresistible to news media. It provides a huge

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<v Speaker 1>rush to our cultures actual favorite drug, fear for our children.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same undercurrent that fuels attacks on drag queens

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<v Speaker 1>and trans people. Fear for the kids. While a long

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<v Speaker 1>piece and CNN explicitly said parents of young children should

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<v Speaker 1>not overly panic, h w R A l piece cautioned

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<v Speaker 1>that quote, we all know how easy it is for

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<v Speaker 1>children to pass candy around to each other, as if

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<v Speaker 1>like Rainbow, Fentinel is going to be shared around like

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<v Speaker 1>Eminem's at a lunch breaker or something like And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the more silly things that I found. People running

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<v Speaker 1>the account for ABC seven Eyewitness News hid over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred replies pointing out the disinformation in their so called

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<v Speaker 1>eyewitness news story. In their tweet that read quote hashtag

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<v Speaker 1>breaking twelve thousand Fentinel pills seized in wrappers of Skittles, Whoppers,

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<v Speaker 1>sweet Tarts at l a X, sparking renewed Halloween warnings

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<v Speaker 1>to parents. So yeah, they they hid over one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>applies to that tweet basically saying this is this is bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no idea what you're talking about. This this

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<v Speaker 1>story again, it conflates methods of drug trafficking with the

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<v Speaker 1>longstanding myth of expensive drugs being hidden in cheap Halloween candy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, by far the most ridiculous thing that I found,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just because it's kind of absurd and slightly funny,

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<v Speaker 1>Laura Trump on Fox News did the most ridiculous Rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>Fentinel segment that I could find, including spreading the blatant

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<v Speaker 1>lie that police officers have indeed died by simply touching fentinel. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you look at the police officers who when they just

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<v Speaker 1>pat people down and they find it, if it touches

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<v Speaker 1>their fingers, they literally go into shock and almost die

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<v Speaker 1>from it. Something I think have died from it. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that you could have a kid anywhere in America

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<v Speaker 1>if if one child dies from this on Halloween. I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta tell you, we have to take action to stop

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<v Speaker 1>this right now because parents are terrified and we have

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<v Speaker 1>no answers. What are we supposed to do they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go trick or truth. So Democrats ruin Halloween to plan,

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<v Speaker 1>they really do. So what you wouldn't know by watching

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<v Speaker 1>these types of news programs, whether they be Fox News

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<v Speaker 1>or just regular cable news, is that the colors in

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<v Speaker 1>these drugs have been added to pills for years. The

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<v Speaker 1>real danger isn't that kids are being given fentanyl like candy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that fentanyl is being pressed into the shapes of

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<v Speaker 1>other prescription drugs like oxy codone, and people will take

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<v Speaker 1>a fentanyl pill thinking it's something else and then overdose.

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<v Speaker 1>And throughout many of these news stories, they don't mention narcan,

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<v Speaker 1>or if they do, they mentioned in the context as

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<v Speaker 1>saying like this school in l A Now carries narcan.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how bad things are getting. Like they used the

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<v Speaker 1>presence of an arcan as like a bad omen which

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<v Speaker 1>means no, people should just have narcan everywhere cause it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well more on that later, but these colored pills provide

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<v Speaker 1>such a compelling visual for anyone with a financial stake

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<v Speaker 1>in continuing prohibition. In a way, the d A is right.

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<v Speaker 1>Rainbow fentanyl is a marketing stunt, but one concocted by

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<v Speaker 1>the d e A. Itself as a justification for its

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<v Speaker 1>own existence, rather than drug sellers marketing their product to kids,

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<v Speaker 1>using the escalating demonization of fentanyl to call for increased

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<v Speaker 1>funding to law enforcement and border patrol, and the need

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<v Speaker 1>to convince a public acclimating to the idea of fentanyl

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<v Speaker 1>that actually, fentanyl is even scarier than what they once thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Quoting filter Meg again quote, people sell drugs because they

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<v Speaker 1>are economically motivated to do so. No one except the

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<v Speaker 1>d e A and its allies is arguing that it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good business strategy to kill off your adult buyers

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<v Speaker 1>and give free samples to children previously untapped customer base

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<v Speaker 1>because the fentanyl wasn't never pretty enough, and not because

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<v Speaker 1>children do not have money. The emergence of different colors

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<v Speaker 1>that pressed pills alongside the traditional blue fentanel pills won't

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<v Speaker 1>lure in younger buyers. If anything, it will help keep

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<v Speaker 1>newer buyers safe. Unquote, brightly colored fake pills that are

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<v Speaker 1>clearly fake are helpful for people being cut off of

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<v Speaker 1>their prescription and turning to street drugs to remind them

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<v Speaker 1>that what they're getting is not the ox of codon

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<v Speaker 1>that they're used to, but something more potent and for

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<v Speaker 1>more on what fentinel actually is and to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>get an expert opinion on these topics, I interviewed Ryan Marino, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the resident Fentinel expert who's sited and basically all of

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<v Speaker 1>these news stories. So after the ad break you will

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<v Speaker 1>hear that interview. First, can you introduce yourself? So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Marino. I'm a medical toxicologist, emergency doc and addiction

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<v Speaker 1>medicine specialist. So what exactly is fentinel? What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 1>What's what? What is what is the actual thing? Because

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<v Speaker 1>people I know have heard a lot about it, but

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<v Speaker 1>they may may be unaware, like what this type of

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<v Speaker 1>opioid is, how it's different from other things, why it's around. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think most people will hear kind of one

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<v Speaker 1>side of fentanyl. And so fentanyl is a synthetic opioid.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a lot like harrow and morphine oxycoda and

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<v Speaker 1>all those other things. It acts the same way. The

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<v Speaker 1>difference is that it is more potent, and because it

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<v Speaker 1>is fully synthetic, it can be made without the necessity

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<v Speaker 1>for like large poppy fields whether all that stuff. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's very easy to produce it's used medically

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. UM, it's like one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>ubiquitously used medicines and very invaluable lot for its medical uses,

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<v Speaker 1>but in the street because of its potency, small amounts

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<v Speaker 1>to make a huge difference in the dose that people get,

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<v Speaker 1>and so fentanyl in street drugs has been the main

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<v Speaker 1>driver behind what people call our opioid overdose epidemic UM

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<v Speaker 1>and the kind of record breaking overdose deaths that we've

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<v Speaker 1>had in recent years. I would like guess that one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest reasons that people have heard about fentanyl

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<v Speaker 1>is due to police officers and all of the stories

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<v Speaker 1>from the past last year of police officers spontaneously overdosing

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<v Speaker 1>by either touching it, getting too close to it, breathing

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<v Speaker 1>the same air that it's around. Can you overdose by

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<v Speaker 1>touching fentanyl? You cannot, UM. So there is a hatch

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<v Speaker 1>that's made for the medical fentyl, so it can absorb

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<v Speaker 1>through your skin if you try really, really hard, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's incredibly ineffective. Even with the best pharmaceutical technology that

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<v Speaker 1>money could buy. UM, this is still very slow, very ineffective.

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<v Speaker 1>Touching fentyl cannot cause an overdose. And the way it

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<v Speaker 1>exists on the street, particularly, You're never going to encounter

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<v Speaker 1>the form or quantity that you would need to cause

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<v Speaker 1>an overdose. So these stories are nothing more than urban

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<v Speaker 1>legends and misinformation. How why are people having these effects then? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Because there's videos of people like fainting and falling over

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like this police officer needed to receive narcan

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<v Speaker 1>and was rushed to the hospital. Little like, what's what?

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<v Speaker 1>What's actually happening there? Because people obviously look like they're

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing something, but it doesn't really match up with what

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<v Speaker 1>fentinel is able to do. So it's a really interesting phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look at any of these stories, any

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<v Speaker 1>of these videos, you can very clearly see people having

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<v Speaker 1>real symptoms. I'm not trying to cast any doubt on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but what's reported and what's shown is actually the opposite

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<v Speaker 1>of what fentyl would do. And so people report feeling

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<v Speaker 1>very anxious, breathing very rapidly, having their heart race, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that fentyl would actually cause the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I can only speculate on what's really happening there,

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<v Speaker 1>but my guess would be that this is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of panic reaction related to the fact that people are

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about this every day, hearing the fentyl is killing

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of people, hearing that other people have

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<v Speaker 1>just dropped down from being near it. UM. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>also this related concept called the no cebo effect, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like the uh, dark side of the

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<v Speaker 1>placebo effect, if you will, UM. And so basically it's

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<v Speaker 1>just that if you believe something so strongly, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have very negative of real symptoms from it, and the

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<v Speaker 1>way you would treat this would be with a placebo,

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<v Speaker 1>which in these situations Narkian is a placebo. So the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that Narkian works for some of them UM kind

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<v Speaker 1>of suggests that there is some sort of placebo no

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<v Speaker 1>cebo effect going on. I know that the ventil has

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<v Speaker 1>become more common since the pandemics rough you, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say probably starting in California is what most of most

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<v Speaker 1>of it looks like in terms of like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>like opioid epidemic thing, like why is this become such

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<v Speaker 1>a big problem in the past like three years specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>like with fentanyl getting into so much of the supply, well,

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<v Speaker 1>so fentyl started getting cut into heroin. UM particularly on

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<v Speaker 1>the East coast, like pretty early on, probably like ten

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<v Speaker 1>or more years ago now and took a while to

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<v Speaker 1>make its way west. It seemed like California actually had

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<v Speaker 1>different heroin and particularly like black tar, heroin was more

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<v Speaker 1>prevalent there, which can't be as easily placed with a

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<v Speaker 1>powder for anyone who's familiar with heroin. UM. But now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is really no like other opioid supply,

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<v Speaker 1>So things like heroin are almost impossible to come by

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<v Speaker 1>just because it doesn't exist in the world, be like oxycodone, OxyContin.

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<v Speaker 1>All of these pills that people used to sell on

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<v Speaker 1>the street also just don't exist because they're not being

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<v Speaker 1>prescribed anymore. Some of them aren't even being manufactured anymore. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what's left is really when you take away

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<v Speaker 1>the supply but you don't address the demand, is something's

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<v Speaker 1>got to fill it. And Fentyl is there. Fentyl is

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<v Speaker 1>really easy to make. Its relatively cheap um and simple

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<v Speaker 1>to produce, and so you can press it into pills

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<v Speaker 1>that look like oxycodone. You can mix it up into

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<v Speaker 1>a powder that looks like heroin and gives people similar effects,

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<v Speaker 1>but because it's so much more potent which it's like

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<v Speaker 1>fifty times more potent than heroin. Um So. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>if you think just in terms of percentage wise, like

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<v Speaker 1>a one or two percent difference could be double the

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<v Speaker 1>dose when you compare it to something. Um So, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the trouble comes in. And then with the rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>fentinyl angle, the DA has been talking about how rain

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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl is this new thing to market tow children. They

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<v Speaker 1>sort of market a lot of being like this is

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<v Speaker 1>like some advertising job done by big drug to to

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<v Speaker 1>sell to sell two kids. Um. I guess first off,

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<v Speaker 1>like why would these drugs be pressed into different colors

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<v Speaker 1>like with with with with the fentinel pills being in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the multi colored collections, Like what's the actual

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<v Speaker 1>purpose of that. Well, so that's a great question. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to make of whatever the d

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<v Speaker 1>e A Is doing and why they make these announcements

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<v Speaker 1>because there's there's no evidence behind it. Um They have

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<v Speaker 1>provided no evidence and their own press releases going back

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<v Speaker 1>years show multiple colors of pentinyl pressed pills. UM My

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<v Speaker 1>best guests and in talking to like people use drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>people who work in the same space across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>is that pharmaceuticals come in different colors, and so these

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<v Speaker 1>probably were mostly just to mimic things like oxy code

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<v Speaker 1>on tabs. Also, I mean dealers like to add their

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<v Speaker 1>own kind of like marked the things in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>heroin will come with different like stamps on the bag,

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<v Speaker 1>so probably something similar there. But also I mean people

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<v Speaker 1>just tend to like things that are are colored more

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<v Speaker 1>than like a grainy beige pill um. If it comes

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<v Speaker 1>with like a pink or green on, it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be more desirable. But there's no evidence whatsoever that

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<v Speaker 1>this is intentionally marketed towards children. Children are not good

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<v Speaker 1>clients for for drug dealers, and these are just things

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<v Speaker 1>that adults want. American adults are the ones buying these drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess can you speak more on how the d

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<v Speaker 1>e as rhetorics around this thing, especially it's been like

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<v Speaker 1>escalating the past few months leading up to Halloween. There's

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<v Speaker 1>been a lot of heavily publicized seizures saying like we

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<v Speaker 1>seized enough sentinel to kill five hundred million people or

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<v Speaker 1>something like. They're like they they frame it in this

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<v Speaker 1>really like bombastic way, and then you're there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff talking about how it's it's being hidden in

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<v Speaker 1>like candy boxes and they're gonna be giving it out

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<v Speaker 1>on Halloween to your kids, And like what is the

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<v Speaker 1>d A doing? Like what what's their incentive for talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it in this way? And obviously and you I

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<v Speaker 1>can't like ask you, like what what is the d

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<v Speaker 1>A doing? Ryan? Why are they doing this? But like,

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<v Speaker 1>from your perspective, like like this rhetoric doesn't seem very

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<v Speaker 1>helpful in terms of actually preventing overdoses. It seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of just fear mongering, um, specifically with stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like like like like like with the drugs being hidden

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<v Speaker 1>inside candy boxes, there's reasons for why people might do

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<v Speaker 1>that to smuggle them. But with all of the rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>that the DA has been been pushing, like, is it

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<v Speaker 1>like actually dangerous the way that they've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>it in terms of like it's not it's not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about harm productions, not talking about ways to actually help.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like scaring parents, it seems. Yeah. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the d e A is solely a law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement agency. There is no one there involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of addiction in terms of like addiction science, chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>no one there who is like a former drug user

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<v Speaker 1>even Um, So their motives are always suspect to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think with this rainbow fentanyl press release they

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<v Speaker 1>put it out there was no evidence behind it, that

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<v Speaker 1>none of it made any sense. Um. The term rainbow

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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl wasn't even searchable before August two when the d

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<v Speaker 1>A made this announcement, which is is kind of crazy

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<v Speaker 1>to think about. Um. And then within six weeks of

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<v Speaker 1>that announcement, US Congress has pledged to give them hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions more dollars to quote unquote fight rainbow fentanel,

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<v Speaker 1>which is again a thing that does not exist. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean looking back, the d e A budget

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<v Speaker 1>has gone up year on year hundreds of percent since

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<v Speaker 1>like the nineteen eighties. But even within the context of

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<v Speaker 1>our opioid overdose crisis has gone up year on year

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<v Speaker 1>for all of the past I don't know however many

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<v Speaker 1>years you want to look at it. Their department size

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<v Speaker 1>grows every year, uh, and overdose deaths go up every year.

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<v Speaker 1>So whatever they're doing is obviously not working. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, I mean, they particularly ignore in distract

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<v Speaker 1>from things like harm reduction, from real evidence based measures

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of public health investments that we could be making.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to hundreds of millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 1>extra being thrown at the d e A for Rainbow fentannel,

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<v Speaker 1>and we think back to, what was it just like

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<v Speaker 1>last winter when the current administration set aside I think

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<v Speaker 1>thirty million dollars towards harm reduction being the first time

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government has put aside dedicated money for harm reduction,

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<v Speaker 1>and that created its own kind of like moral panic

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<v Speaker 1>backlash as well. Um, but thirty million dollars was the

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<v Speaker 1>first and only federal investment in harm reduction, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>three million dollars can be drummed up at the drop

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<v Speaker 1>of a hat for an invented crisis. So it does

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<v Speaker 1>really kind of beg the question of, like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we doing here? And why are we continuing to do

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<v Speaker 1>things that don't work? What do you wish people knew

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<v Speaker 1>that would help them maybe combat some of the misinformation

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that gets peddled by like lots of like local TV

0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 1>stations are very quick to cover these types of stories,

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>very quick to cover the stories of like your local

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:42.640
<v Speaker 1>cop just almost died at the school by getting within

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<v Speaker 1>five ft of a sentinel vaporizer or something like like,

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<v Speaker 1>what what do you wish people knew to help like

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<v Speaker 1>combat this type of stuff. I mean, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>common sense is just not common when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>drug topics. If the police were saying that people were

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<v Speaker 1>giving out guns for Halloween, if they were saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they found uranium or plutonium in a car and four

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 1>officers went down, that would require serious consideration and fact

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<v Speaker 1>checking before it ever was reported on or accepted. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I mean, I think when it comes to this

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<v Speaker 1>idea that someone was in a car with a bag

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<v Speaker 1>of fentanyl and nobody in the car was affected, but

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the officers outside the car all went down, um like

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<v Speaker 1>just basic kind of critical thinking or applying any lens

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<v Speaker 1>of skepticism, I mean, makes all of these narratives fall apart.

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<v Speaker 1>So that would be I mean, my biggest ask in

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<v Speaker 1>people watching these stories. I feel like the onus of

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility really should be on the ones who are reporting it,

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<v Speaker 1>not to just necessarily take the words of law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>as authority on every subject, especially when they do not

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<v Speaker 1>have the background to be authorities on how things like

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<v Speaker 1>fentinyl work. Before we close out, I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit about Narcan UM like one is

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<v Speaker 1>what it does and where people can get it. So

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<v Speaker 1>Narcan is amazing. I cannot say enough positive things about Narcan.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not like a religious person or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but if miracles were to exist, Narcan is literally a miracle,

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<v Speaker 1>um and especially if anyone has ever seen it in action.

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<v Speaker 1>But so, what it is for people who don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>Narcian is the brand name nasal spray of Nilo Zone,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the antidote or the reversal agent for anyone

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing an opioid overdose, including fentyl. And there are no

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<v Speaker 1>opioids that Narcan does not work on. It isn't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>reverse every situation, certainly, um. But it is a perfect antidote,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak, or as close to one as we

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>have ever had, um And so I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are worried about someone experiencing an overdose, it's something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can carry or have nearby, and anyone can give it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the nasal spray was actually designed with taxpayer dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough UM so that an untrained child administer it,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's very easy to use. It's very easy

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<v Speaker 1>to obtain for the most part. Nowadays, it's available and

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<v Speaker 1>I think almost every state without a prescription, you can

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 1>just go to your pharmacy and ask for it UM.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can't get it from like your local health

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<v Speaker 1>department or another harm reduction organization. But I have it

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<v Speaker 1>in my car, in every work bag I have UM,

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<v Speaker 1>I take it with me when I travel. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>that people can carry and really makes a big difference.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously you don't want to experience or come across

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<v Speaker 1>someone having an overdose. But it's much better to have

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<v Speaker 1>with you UM if you need it than to be

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<v Speaker 1>unprepared and have to kind of deal with the consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this far into this like opioid overdose

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<v Speaker 1>crisis that the United States and now most of the

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<v Speaker 1>world has been experiencing. Most people can probably think of

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<v Speaker 1>someone who they know who they've lost to overdose or

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>or similar situation UM, and you don't want to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of be stuck regretting it later. Well, thanks so much. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find you on the internet? So I'm

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 1>mostly just on Twitter at Ryan Marino, just my name

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<v Speaker 1>one word, all right, Well, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on to talk to us about the latest scourge

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<v Speaker 1>hiding inside your kid's Halloween basket. So with that, that

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<v Speaker 1>does it for us today here at it could happen here? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>have fun, tricker treating. Um, if you have any drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>good for you. I'm happy you got this for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch out for cars, Uh, those are actually dangerous. And

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<v Speaker 1>thanks thanks to everybody who attended the recent It could

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<v Speaker 1>Happen here live stream. Thank you so much for coming.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope to get through more questions, but we went

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<v Speaker 1>a little long because there were so many people. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will I will answer two more questions here. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the latest My Little Pony movie has

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<v Speaker 1>a literal xenophobic fascist dictator as an antagonist? No? I

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:57.239
<v Speaker 1>did not know that, but it's not surprising based on

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<v Speaker 1>what I know about the recent My Little Pony media

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<v Speaker 1>And and um, what do you think is the most

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<v Speaker 1>important thing somebody can have for a disaster or chaos preparedness?

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<v Speaker 1>My personal answer to that would probably be friends, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>really useful UM books on how to like make stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and like how to like you know, basically survival books

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't want to count on having the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I don't know, like water, water filters, water purification, tablets.

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<v Speaker 1>Those would be those would be my picks. But I

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<v Speaker 1>hope everyone has a happy, happy Halloween and that doesn't

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