Speaker 1: What's up? And welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Salers Podcast with your hosts Now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: loaw glasses, Malone. What you was going to do in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: There's a pre IPO like biotech company out there. I
Speaker 2: was thinking about investing in, and they've talked about having
Speaker 2: a quick IPO turnaround, and I'm skeptical on them turning
Speaker 2: that around that fast. So I wanted at that price.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to see if they had filing paperwork
Speaker 2: and all that kind of shit and kind of look
Speaker 2: them in the eye a little bit more and like
Speaker 2: really kind of press them face to face, like in
Speaker 2: their office. If anybody can write an email, I can
Speaker 2: see if you squirm in a chair that when I
Speaker 2: asked you hard questions.
Speaker 1: MM. So that was kind of I was thinking about
Speaker 1: going for the Seeman Show. What the Sema Show. It's
Speaker 1: a big car show. Oh, car show in Vegas. We
Speaker 1: missed the Big Smoke. What was the Big Smoke? Oh?
Speaker 2: Like they do they do one in Vegas and one
Speaker 2: in Florida. But it's it's the biggest cigar convention of
Speaker 2: the year. Everybody goes there. They give away free everything.
Speaker 2: It's really quite a situation.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Is the last time I was in Vegas,
Speaker 1: I went to my favorite restaurant, Dale Friscos. My favorite
Speaker 1: dal Friscos is in New York in New York City
Speaker 1: in Manhattan, but they have a really good one in Vegas.
Speaker 1: And it was a football player, professional football player that
Speaker 1: retired selling cigars and I bought one from me.
Speaker 2: Was it Ed Reed?
Speaker 1: I think it was Ed Reid.
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm rocking the Miami Hurricanes had. Ed Reid is
Speaker 2: my man, big fan of his. I like his cigar line.
Speaker 2: I wanted to see if he wanted to do some
Speaker 2: work with my other boy out in Tonga and grow
Speaker 2: the first tongin leaf in the industry, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: get an email.
Speaker 1: Back a tongu and leaf like for a cigar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tonga is the It's like almost identical climate wise
Speaker 2: to Cuba. It's like the same exactism from the equator
Speaker 2: but on the other side, and it's all volcanic soil,
Speaker 2: so like, it's very similar precipitation, very similar weather patterns
Speaker 2: on all fronts. So they had he has some empty
Speaker 2: family farmland out there, and I thought it would be
Speaker 2: very interesting to shake up the industry with the first
Speaker 2: ever high quality Cuban seed pollination. Belief just never got
Speaker 2: off the ground.
Speaker 1: Mm that sound interesting. So finished telling me about finished
Speaker 1: telling me about the difference between America, where they were
Speaker 1: ranked at as far as simply put economic advancement opportunities,
Speaker 1: versus Singapore where were they ranked that? Explain that to
Speaker 1: me again.
Speaker 2: This was an Economic Freedom index, so it encompassed four factors,
Speaker 2: property rights, government integrity, judicial effective effectiveness, tax burden, and
Speaker 2: government spending. So Singapore had an overall index score of
Speaker 2: eighty five. They were number one. The United States was
Speaker 2: number twenty five with a seventy point one. The US
Speaker 2: got dragged down a lot in the government spending index score,
Speaker 2: though some other countries that are ahead of them were
Speaker 2: far worse, like Ireland, the Czech Republic, Germany, a lot
Speaker 2: of EU countries spend a bunch of money. Interesting countries
Speaker 2: that were behind the United States, like China was pretty low.
Speaker 2: They have actually a they have less government spending and
Speaker 2: communists China relative to GDP than the United States does,
Speaker 2: but their property rights and government integrity and that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, their scores got dragged down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, property this is like this is more of the
Speaker 1: opportunity to build wealth. Wealth building in countries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I would almost say it to some degree
Speaker 3: because obviously some of these countries, like even Singapore, I'm
Speaker 3: sure it's not as much money to be made.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense, Yeah, it depends. Singapore is a
Speaker 2: tech hub, so there is a lot of money to
Speaker 2: be made there, a lot of I would say, really,
Speaker 2: it kind of comes down to like an entrepreneurial like
Speaker 2: like how manicured is the path to like entrepreneurial successful
Speaker 2: independence to like be your own man, you know, run
Speaker 2: your own show, that.
Speaker 1: Kind of thing, old school living. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: barter things. Somebody made choose and you grew corn and
Speaker 1: you you know, you made your deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so by that standard, because Singapore is becoming a
Speaker 1: tech hub, so that's they're selling everything internet. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you some Pete. Yesterday I was listening to Trump
Speaker 1: talking why am I a huge fan of the concept
Speaker 1: of bringing industry back to America? And why isn't Why
Speaker 1: aren't And you're the perfect person to answer this question
Speaker 1: because you are kind of Republican, if that would be
Speaker 1: fair to say, you know what you are versus to me,
Speaker 1: where you just have values that fit you and some
Speaker 1: of them have some of the same values, but most
Speaker 1: people will look at you as a conservative or a Republican.
Speaker 1: Why is it that I am a fan of the
Speaker 1: Why does it make sense to me? Okay, two questions,
Speaker 1: two parts. What's the flaw in putting tariffs on people?
Speaker 1: That's importing right things based off slave I mean, cheap
Speaker 1: ass labor for us to say with dollar versus America
Speaker 1: itself bringing industry back here so people can have jobs.
Speaker 1: What's the flawing that? Well? First, why am I a
Speaker 1: fan of that? Like? No, now you you know you
Speaker 1: know me? And what's the flawing it that? Let's say, like,
Speaker 1: what's a fair flawing and that a Democrat would come back?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And just just to be fair, just to preface it,
Speaker 2: you're a rhino Republicans, you're George Bush Republicans, big government Republicans,
Speaker 2: and your Democrats are are in favor of the globalization model.
Speaker 2: I don't like either of those groups. I'm of the
Speaker 2: conservative libertarian I hate Democrats and big government, restriction and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff and any and Liz Cheney
Speaker 2: and her dad and all the like like anybody who
Speaker 2: does that. There's a lot of wolves and sheeps clothing
Speaker 2: in the Republican Party that can I'll go over there
Speaker 2: and get theft over to But it comes down to,
Speaker 2: like there's an inflationary component in that. If you go
Speaker 2: full throttle on that to some degree, you're going to
Speaker 2: raise the price of everything for everybody. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 2: the pushback. Trump's goal to try to find a sweet
Speaker 2: spot where you can be because the initial pushback, the
Speaker 2: knee jerchological pushback, is well, you put a terrify on
Speaker 2: China for shoes, They're just going to raise the price
Speaker 2: and pass it on to the consumer. So it comes
Speaker 2: off like a sales tax and in effect to the
Speaker 2: United States buyer because the buyer pays the bill.
Speaker 1: But do you not think though that if people had money,
Speaker 1: they could spend money. Yeah, Like like like if you
Speaker 1: lower the value of everything, right, Okay, first, then so
Speaker 1: my initial issue is there's a morality issue there for me, right,
Speaker 1: whereas like, I know some other place is taking advantage
Speaker 1: of people, right, that's how their government is set up.
Speaker 1: So I don't get how people could really consider themselves
Speaker 1: righteous people and still support the globalization model when you
Speaker 1: know other countries are under paying people and not paying
Speaker 1: fair wages. It's the same.
Speaker 2: What if it's the same stupid logic. If I don't
Speaker 2: have to look at it, it doesn't exist. That you
Speaker 2: see in like with the a lot of the energy
Speaker 2: fanatics that actually run government, not to like hold a
Speaker 2: sign eat grid, all of you know, hippie wirdos who
Speaker 2: I don't want to drill in the I don't want
Speaker 2: to drill in the United States, even though US drilling
Speaker 2: is cleaner and more efficient, more responsible than Venezuelan, Saudi
Speaker 2: or Russian drill. Like we don't buy Russian oil, but
Speaker 2: they put it into the marketplace that brings prices down.
Speaker 2: So like those other countries, we would rather buy from
Speaker 2: them while they pollute more and have all these other
Speaker 2: negative impacts about it again, labor, hum rights, all those
Speaker 2: various things. Then have to actually live with the fact
Speaker 2: that somewhere near us we might ourselves be drilling in
Speaker 2: a better and more responsible way. It's the same thing
Speaker 2: with that. You know, hey, I don't want to pay
Speaker 2: an extra dollar for an orange, But if they want
Speaker 2: to have to drill, the windows shut in their buildings
Speaker 2: so that the people can't jump out the window because
Speaker 2: they want to kill themselves. So be it long. If
Speaker 2: I don't have to look at it, I can hide
Speaker 2: it from the voter at large, the American people at large, whatever,
Speaker 2: and blame it on ABCDEFG.
Speaker 1: No sinners. Gl got my brother Peter Waman gonna peel
Speaker 1: back some things, man, peel back some things, some thoughts,
Speaker 1: and now we do this. It's like when people complain
Speaker 1: about Walmart. To me, like Walmart charges less right because
Speaker 1: they obviously right. One of the things they can't have
Speaker 1: is great customer service and a lot of help. So
Speaker 1: I know when I go to Walmart, even when I'm frustrated,
Speaker 1: I know why it's taking an hour for people to
Speaker 1: come open up the lock cabinets because if they overstaffed it, right,
Speaker 1: the business model doesn't work sure, right, So I feel
Speaker 1: like America itself is becoming Walmart. Yeah and yeah.
Speaker 2: And on the back end Walmart, boy's a bunch of
Speaker 2: small businesses that are their suppliers by virtue of the
Speaker 2: fact that you get a contract of Walmart, We're gonna
Speaker 2: give you one percent profit, but you're gonna scale up
Speaker 2: and escalate the amount of production that you do fiftyfold
Speaker 2: from you would otherwise. So you might make ten percent
Speaker 2: more money, you're gonna produce fifty times more shit at
Speaker 2: a ribbon than you know.
Speaker 1: Margin, And I think, to me, that's that's the globalization
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Like Walmart, America used to be targeted.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to say it used to be
Speaker 1: like two hundred thousand years ago. I'm talking about within
Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, America was targeted. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a quality experience where you went and bought things. People
Speaker 1: made decent money. Yes, you paid for things, but you
Speaker 1: had the money to pay for them. But things were
Speaker 1: affordable because you actually had to get out and make
Speaker 1: it happen, you know what I mean, and become a
Speaker 1: productive member in that society that people believe in. So
Speaker 1: you would go buy the car. It would like it
Speaker 1: was an economy that supported itself. So it was like
Speaker 1: target where you could go there. You had a great
Speaker 1: experience being there, obviously you know, minus human beings in
Speaker 1: that condition of being black blah. But just the business
Speaker 1: model versus now where we're moving into a space of
Speaker 1: it's all Walmart, Like we're proud that things are cheap,
Speaker 1: but if you think about it, they have to be
Speaker 1: cheap because don't nobody got no damn money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't disagree with that. There's the
Speaker 2: way everything's on the spectrum. People like to simplify things
Speaker 2: into a black and white binary that's rarely the truth
Speaker 2: and the complex models at all. And you kind of
Speaker 2: see parallel tracks between all that we're talking about and
Speaker 2: the amount of government intervention that happens. And a good example,
Speaker 2: I saw something online about how by twenty thirty, I
Speaker 2: want to say, now, like in the nuclear energy world,
Speaker 2: they're trying to do like Italy's big into this, like
Speaker 2: smaller sized nuclear reactors opposed to like the gigantic nuclear
Speaker 2: power plants that you know you think of. So Google
Speaker 2: wants to have like twelve of its own personal nuclear
Speaker 2: reactors many nuclear power plants to run its giant centralized
Speaker 2: AI apparatus. Bear in mind, Google already bought a government
Speaker 2: hydroelectric dam in the DALs in Oregon to run their
Speaker 2: stupid data center already. So what this means to me,
Speaker 2: it's kind of an illustration of you cozy up to
Speaker 2: a government that's getting bigger and bigger and bigger so
Speaker 2: that you can get the car at the exemption to
Speaker 2: be the only person that does business. Well, everybody else
Speaker 2: would like to do the same thing but can't, So
Speaker 2: there's no competition. There's no democratization of not only wages,
Speaker 2: but also of information and like just competitive ideas. So yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's largely why you see the US cascading downward
Speaker 2: against other countries and like economic freedom and dex scores
Speaker 2: and other things like that.
Speaker 1: So shout out to the homie dron or d Royn
Speaker 1: ross on Ig. He asked me a really great question.
Speaker 1: I have a question, do you think the image of
Speaker 1: the American dream has changed or died, or at least
Speaker 1: a vision of the dream has changed? And I thought
Speaker 1: that was like a really interesting question, and it made
Speaker 1: me look up the American dream and there were two
Speaker 1: different kinds of concepts, right. I think we have the
Speaker 1: picture of the American dream, right, which is the house
Speaker 1: with the white pick of fence, two and a half
Speaker 1: kids and all these two kids and a dog, old
Speaker 1: lady and all of that. Yeah, so it's fair to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's die.
Speaker 2: Well, now you can have two and a half kids,
Speaker 2: because they're going to pump your children with so many
Speaker 2: vaccinations that one of them is going to be half,
Speaker 2: you know, by the time, so that's on schedule.
Speaker 1: And then it says I looked it up, and it
Speaker 1: says the American dream loosely is that every person has
Speaker 1: the freedom and opportunity to succeed and attain a better life,
Speaker 1: or it says the tenants of the American Dream, or
Speaker 1: also it says the tenants of the American Dream originate
Speaker 1: from the Declaration of Independent Independence, which states that all
Speaker 1: men are created equal in having inalienable, inalienable right to life, liberty,
Speaker 1: and the pursuit of happiness. So it's a lot of
Speaker 1: things to break down in that thought. I don't think
Speaker 1: the American dream isn't encouraged anymore or promoted anymore. I
Speaker 1: think the so no, I think the American dream has died.
Speaker 1: If you really think about what you know, when we
Speaker 1: were growing up, how you saw life right, family based function, structure.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's really the dream anymore. I just
Speaker 1: don't think that's the dream anymore for people. I think
Speaker 1: people have different dreams, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: think America is encouraging different dreams, and it's getting worse
Speaker 1: and worse and worse and worse and worse.
Speaker 2: No, I agree with that, like I think that there's
Speaker 2: two things happening like simultaneously. I think that what you're
Speaker 2: saying is happening. I don't think that like the nuts
Speaker 2: and bolts are not there. But people look back and
Speaker 2: think that all these things were easy and just happened
Speaker 2: like like like popcorn, you know, in the oven or
Speaker 2: wherever the hell like. It wasn't like the pioneer spirit
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff that was hard. Those
Speaker 2: were hard times. People now, I think, you know, their
Speaker 2: expectation is easy luxury rather than like stuff we talked about,
Speaker 2: like if it's not working where you are, you might
Speaker 2: have to go somewhere else. That's the whole basically, that's
Speaker 2: ninety five percent of the history of the country. It
Speaker 2: wasn't until like the last twenty thirty years that people
Speaker 2: were like and there's some pushback on it now the
Speaker 2: last ten. But there was almost an entire generation in
Speaker 2: the country's history where people didn't want to move, whereas
Speaker 2: before everybody was moving all the time to find the
Speaker 2: best place to do what they wanted to do, whether
Speaker 2: it was if you ask me, how the hell are
Speaker 2: people in Minnesota. Somewhere along the line there was a
Speaker 2: better opportunity for them to do what they wanted to
Speaker 2: do there than where they started. Don't know how you
Speaker 2: would end. I don't understand that at all. You could, So.
Speaker 1: You're really complaining more or less because America did simplify it,
Speaker 1: you know, when you got to the forties, fifties. Well
Speaker 1: war helped in the forties. So we're talking really manly
Speaker 1: about the fifties and sixties where where industry had hit
Speaker 1: a really smooth peak. Right, Detroit is the perfect example
Speaker 1: of America's old model. Trump does bring up Michigan a
Speaker 1: lot when I listened to him. Detroit was the old
Speaker 1: model of America's business and the proof that America's old
Speaker 1: business or the way they wanted to do business back
Speaker 1: when you could graduate high school, get a trade, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, or go work down at the factory.
Speaker 1: You had to learn some skill sets, and you were
Speaker 1: able to sacrifice whatever brightness you thought was possible for
Speaker 1: your future, you know, to become a billionaire, whatever you
Speaker 1: thought was cool, because I don't even think people even
Speaker 1: thought like that back then. But you were able to
Speaker 1: put your family. He was able to buy your family
Speaker 1: a house, right, take care of your old lady, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, put your kids through school, and
Speaker 1: then your kids can go out and try and conquer
Speaker 1: the world. But you sacrifice, you know, or if you
Speaker 1: had those things going on in your mind, you sacrifice
Speaker 1: certain things for them to be Okay, that doesn't exist anymore,
Speaker 1: that traditional existence that the Midwest was founded on, right,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh with steel mills, Detroit, all of these places where
Speaker 1: you can go get a job at a some level
Speaker 1: of trade, right and be able to buy a house, right,
Speaker 1: and then put your kid through school to give them
Speaker 1: an even better opportunity based off your sacrifice.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, me being from Cleveland, See, I remember
Speaker 4: my homeboy Bam, that was just all here his day
Speaker 4: of My dad both worked downtown at the steel plant,
Speaker 4: and they both had good jobs. Like back in the day. Dog.
Speaker 4: I used to be amazed as Pops was making twenty
Speaker 4: five step ups, making twenty five bucks an hour, and
Speaker 4: that was a big deal back then. So he used
Speaker 4: to bring a thousand dollars check home, you know, every
Speaker 4: you know, every week they worked a gang over time.
Speaker 4: So he bringing a thousand check on that was what
Speaker 4: I wanted to do because I thought that that was
Speaker 4: what I saw now, So that is the means to
Speaker 4: the success because I remember when we went from living
Speaker 4: in an apartment to where we bought our first house. Right,
Speaker 4: we bought a house, had a backyard, pops working down there,
Speaker 4: and I saw when crack hit and those industries started
Speaker 4: shutting down that like my pops and mister Ladd, my
Speaker 4: boy band's probably the last people working in the plant.
Speaker 4: They went from having this big building to where it
Speaker 4: was just barely there and they was barely getting hours.
Speaker 4: So my dad always was a dude that was always
Speaker 4: fixing people's cars. Like you come over to my house,
Speaker 4: it'd be twenty raggedy cars in the backyard because he's
Speaker 4: fixing this person's breaks, doing a tune up on this
Speaker 4: other person's car. So he had other ways to make money,
Speaker 4: so he took his hustle full time, mister Ladd paying houses.
Speaker 4: Now all my other homeboys whose pops worked down there,
Speaker 4: most people were still depressed. They started smoking. So I
Speaker 4: saw the whole cities, I saw the whole dynamic of
Speaker 4: the neighborhood changed just because those jobs weren't They're no
Speaker 4: more man.
Speaker 1: And anybody listening to those seilings. Right, that's big bro
Speaker 1: Stell he popped on. We was waiting on it, but
Speaker 1: this was burning a hole in my mind, so I
Speaker 1: had to get going. He's not saying the crack era
Speaker 1: ended the industry era that we're talking about. He's saying
Speaker 1: it became a way to medicate past not having an opportunity.
Speaker 1: And to me, Pete, that is the American dream that
Speaker 1: I remember sure people talking about that that regular man
Speaker 1: could go down, get a trade, work down at the factory,
Speaker 1: right and at minimum be able to buy his house.
Speaker 1: So when he passed away, his child started with property,
Speaker 1: some level of in advancement. He could finance his kid
Speaker 1: through school, He could buy a simple house, take care
Speaker 1: of his family, you know what I mean. That to
Speaker 1: me is the American dream that I would think of
Speaker 1: when we see the American dream.
Speaker 2: And I think, again, there's both sides of that coin
Speaker 2: in the sense that that era and you could look
Speaker 2: at it in the Bay Area and in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: as well as the rust belt in the Midwest, there
Speaker 2: was an enormous amount of people, like I mean, the
Speaker 2: nineteen fifties was like you know, kind of loosely defined,
Speaker 2: so to speaking like like the Great Migration era, a
Speaker 2: bunch of people out of the South moved to where
Speaker 2: there was a lot of development, better houses, better jobs,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Those kind of things aren't perpetual and static
Speaker 2: like that. So if you were to take like geography
Speaker 2: off the table and just like kind of put it
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, like and let's say, like people like
Speaker 2: coastal California more than they like Texas in the summertime.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You you would say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you were go look at like old houses and
Speaker 2: Compton or San Pedro or whatever else, and compare a
Speaker 2: house built in nineteen thirty five or fifty five in
Speaker 2: that area versus a house it's built in two thousand
Speaker 2: and five in like Duncanville, Texas or something. So just
Speaker 2: just some you know, working class suburb of Dallas. The
Speaker 2: newer place is better, and there's the economy growing there.
Speaker 2: It's not quite so much growing in Los Angeles. So
Speaker 2: it's like those that opportunity and that reality was made
Speaker 2: possible by somebody from Memphis or Alabama or Mississippi going
Speaker 2: there's a lot going on up there. I'm picking my
Speaker 2: people up we're going over there, We're gonna take advantage
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 2: It doesn't end there forever?
Speaker 1: Do you? Like?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like the next person might
Speaker 2: have to do the same.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, does it not end there? Because we
Speaker 1: the American dream is not anymore the American dream, and
Speaker 1: it becomes the world dream, the global dream, the personal dream.
Speaker 1: Like when I listen to at a really dope conversation
Speaker 1: with Hershey, the guy that started a chocolate company. Sure, like,
Speaker 1: to me, wealth has changed. Wealth used to be not
Speaker 1: just financially but also in relationships. Like you did right
Speaker 1: by people? To me, that was true wealth. Sure you
Speaker 1: did right by society. You know, I mean you you
Speaker 1: you created something that that obviously was inspired by a
Speaker 1: desire to to go crazy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and make it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want the sound clip of the day. Sure,
Speaker 2: we a society have literally transformed from the handshake agreement
Speaker 2: to the non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 1: True six, tell me, tell me why the.
Speaker 2: Country is run by lawyers.
Speaker 1: Everything's lutigious much so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hyper litigious, and it's a one way ratchet system
Speaker 2: in the civil courts. So you have spineless punk judges
Speaker 2: who are content to just kick the can down the
Speaker 2: road to eternity, where you know, appeals go on for
Speaker 2: a thousand years and everything costs a bazillion dollars, Which
Speaker 2: who does that hurt the little guy? And then and
Speaker 2: then when something happens where the little guy wins, they
Speaker 2: win in such an enormous amount that it cripples the
Speaker 2: big guy and sets a precedent so that everything has
Speaker 2: to be so rigorously entrenched in contract law that the
Speaker 2: cost just to enter the contract, because you need so
Speaker 2: many lawyers to write the goddamn contract and read it
Speaker 2: makes it just harder to do basic shit.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me go back before this. I agree, right,
Speaker 1: I agree that somebody from the south or from the
Speaker 1: east coast decided that there was a huge opportunity in land,
Speaker 1: and people that needed opportunity needed jobs. And this is
Speaker 1: how we get four you know, and and and GM factories. Right,
Speaker 1: that's where we said steal me. This is where we
Speaker 1: get It's where we get Milton Hershey going to Pennsylvania. Right,
Speaker 1: this is why you get it. But are you saying
Speaker 1: that's not sustainable or is it only not sustainable because
Speaker 1: we allow business as a country to become like everything
Speaker 1: about today's business is inhumane. And I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: why it is inhumane, right because you could have a
Speaker 1: company that that's going to China, right and and forgive me,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say id trumpets, but just thinking
Speaker 1: from a regular mind state. I'm not into politics. This
Speaker 1: is just me thinking if you go to China to
Speaker 1: take advantage of how that country, you know, deals with
Speaker 1: people which you wouldn't agree with it in this country.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't agree with somebody forcing you to work, controlling
Speaker 1: how many children you had, and no disrespect of China
Speaker 1: because I'm not one of those people like I think people.
Speaker 1: I think culture is all about land, so everybody grows
Speaker 1: are different. But most humans act like that would bother
Speaker 1: them if we had to live under these kind of
Speaker 1: constraints right where you couldn't have as many kids unless
Speaker 1: you had this kind of money. You know, you have
Speaker 1: to work and be a productive member of society so
Speaker 1: you can live in a place like this is what's
Speaker 1: going on in China. So they're not paying wages and
Speaker 1: they're building things for cheap to pass on you know,
Speaker 1: some some the New Ford, the New Ford, the new
Speaker 1: Milton Hershey is going to China to buy cheap products, right,
Speaker 1: made by people getting what we would call in America
Speaker 1: a slave labor. Right, So we're taking that and we're passing.
Speaker 2: Well American dreamuchi.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. That's my point, right, isn't
Speaker 1: it the inhumane behavior of people pursuing wealth. That's what changed,
Speaker 1: like versus Milton Hershey. And maybe they would have been
Speaker 1: the same way if that was there. But to me,
Speaker 1: I genuinely want to feel they had a desire to
Speaker 1: invest in people, you know what I mean, like people
Speaker 1: like Hershey.
Speaker 4: You got great companies in this country, like you got Hershey,
Speaker 4: you got nappied. You got certain countries that refuse to say, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna save a couple of billion dollars every year
Speaker 4: by moving the business over the China, because you know what,
Speaker 4: those people actually care about the employees. They're still very
Speaker 4: much the family. I guarantee you and hers She's somebody
Speaker 4: from that lineage is still in that board of directors
Speaker 4: and still say, you know what, we're not doing that
Speaker 4: that goes against our rules.
Speaker 1: But that's my point, right, It's like the modern businessman.
Speaker 1: So this is what I'm asking Pete back to that
Speaker 1: concept of where we did move or what do they
Speaker 1: call when birds do it? Migrate? Right? For us? Different opportunities,
Speaker 1: different possibilities, Right, But do you feel like the flaw
Speaker 1: net is that we started to globalize moving versus probably
Speaker 1: right then and there we should have put a bamn
Speaker 1: a no. No. You cannot save and make more wealth
Speaker 1: by taking advantage of somebody else's mistreatment of humans, if
Speaker 1: that's what you will believe in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's there's a lot to unpack
Speaker 2: up trying to keep trying like five or six things.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I know i'd be writing nose.
Speaker 2: Down to Yeah, that's all right, That certainly is true.
Speaker 2: I think there's a sweet spot though, between being two
Speaker 2: like like like too closed, two restrictive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you you want to want to global trade,
Speaker 1: but you feel like there's a sweet spot in both.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and there's kind of like I think a
Speaker 2: natural arc to innovation is there's gonna be monopoly. That's
Speaker 2: gonna happen because you're the first person to have the
Speaker 2: thing or the first area or group whatever to have
Speaker 2: the knowledge of technology to do the thing. And then
Speaker 2: eventually if it's unfettered in the marketplace, enough competitors will
Speaker 2: figure out a way to break your monopoly down and
Speaker 2: democratize it if there aren't areas of entry like all health.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what you're saying certainly is true. A couple
Speaker 2: of things that stick out to me that have changed
Speaker 2: now is well, Obviously, the technology to transport goods quick
Speaker 2: and cheap has made for that to be possible. Also,
Speaker 2: the development of other countries to be able to just
Speaker 2: offer the option has happened. I mean, like China in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty five, they had just toppled their government in
Speaker 2: what was called the Farmer's Revolt. I mean they weren't
Speaker 2: there yet, So there's that now. I think two things
Speaker 2: that frustrate me is like, domestically, companies now do not
Speaker 2: care to invest in training people fix So you want
Speaker 2: you want to be if they're going to hire you, you
Speaker 2: have to have like already done this thing for so long.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous that you'd be on the job market.
Speaker 1: It starts to eliminate humans from opportunities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then two companies don't want to pay you
Speaker 2: the money now. So what you're seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: is well. I don't want to pay you now. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to pay you later. I'm gonna let the
Speaker 2: market pay you later. So that's you know, I'll give
Speaker 2: you fifty thousand dollars a year, but we'll give you
Speaker 2: a four to one k system and let the let
Speaker 2: let everybody else in the investment world raise our stock
Speaker 2: thirty years from now, and then you can cash out
Speaker 2: on that, so we don't ever have to really pay you.
Speaker 2: And part of the issue also, like I remember this happening,
Speaker 2: Like with my grandpa's company. He had obviously a big
Speaker 2: fleet of Union truck drivers in ready mix, you know,
Speaker 2: like the picture trucks kind of thing. He gave everybody,
Speaker 2: and he started off shoveling his own gravel and dropping
Speaker 2: his own truck, like he came from that. Everybody on
Speaker 2: his yard and all the yards had like the Cadillac
Speaker 2: health Care just to give. Like my dad was working
Speaker 2: in sales for like a subsidiary company that was under
Speaker 2: that umbrella when he switched jobs to being a stockbroker
Speaker 2: at like a huge investment banking firm. When I was
Speaker 2: in elementary school, I noticed that in the fifth grade,
Speaker 2: like I noticed how much worse going to the doctors became. However,
Speaker 2: they also had strikes all the fucking time because people
Speaker 2: who run unions. It's like union's kind of reached a
Speaker 2: critical mass resistance point where it went from being like
Speaker 2: we're underpaid to now we're paid to now the union
Speaker 2: people still have jobs. So what they did is a
Speaker 2: week and really get more money out of this company now.
Speaker 2: So what we're gonna do is we're gonna kick the
Speaker 2: can down the road for pensions. You see, this happened
Speaker 2: with government a lot too, where it's like, we don't
Speaker 2: want to pay you now because it would crush us.
Speaker 2: But I can take home a victory to my people
Speaker 2: by saying, guys, I only got you fifty cents an
Speaker 2: hour more, but you're gonna get like fifty grand more
Speaker 2: in your pension thing. Well, thirty years later, all those
Speaker 2: chickens have come home to roost, so it's clabbered a
Speaker 2: lot of them, like that's what happened like fifteen years ago,
Speaker 2: where really clabbered the balance sheets like GM and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuffy. So I think on the on.
Speaker 1: The another word, so in other words, and it's funny
Speaker 1: because I used to teach Charlemagne Charlemagne said compassionate capitalism capitalism,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's roof capitalism can only truth. We
Speaker 1: don't mean capitalism, right, Let's let's not be using that term.
Speaker 1: Let's say the true pursuit of wealth. It almost has
Speaker 1: to be ruthless, like even when you're talking about it, right,
Speaker 1: And and somewhere along the line, a lot of companies
Speaker 1: have to stop caring about humans, right, Like.
Speaker 4: Say, that's kind of a miss number. What do you
Speaker 4: mean just the whole term just nice capitalism?
Speaker 1: Well, capitalism is basically again we we that term has
Speaker 1: took a really bad kick in the ass, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because of us not being able to
Speaker 1: It's like the term black community. It's just too loose.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to use it. The pursuit of wealth,
Speaker 1: like the fact that like a company would go to China, right,
Speaker 1: and it's and you see it in their businesses, right,
Speaker 1: they'll they have to do so much. Uh, they call
Speaker 1: they don't even call it humanity no more. They call
Speaker 1: it what.
Speaker 4: Do they call it?
Speaker 1: It's like a healthy way of being human, It's it's
Speaker 1: something else they call it. Well, like will know you
Speaker 1: call those people wealthy people who don't know philanthropic, Yeah,
Speaker 1: philanthropy right, yes, yes, there you go, Like that ship
Speaker 1: is a joke, Like you should know people to make
Speaker 1: a product, right, you shouldn't know people to make a product,
Speaker 1: And then you donate money to people to act like
Speaker 1: you care when the actual season could have been in
Speaker 1: the mix. You know, you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: add season after the food is made. But again, it's
Speaker 1: when you serving it up to people who don't really
Speaker 1: understand tastes. Sure, and I.
Speaker 2: Think both parties, employer and employee need to understand, like
Speaker 2: the relationship, the relationship and what it takes to be sustainable.
Speaker 2: I mean because because that can change really quickly on
Speaker 2: the employer side, you know, because because because your costs
Speaker 2: and all these other things, all these margins they look
Speaker 2: all sweet and cute when you freeze frame them, but
Speaker 2: that stuff can change dramatically over time. So so people
Speaker 2: who are employees.
Speaker 1: How do we get but how do we how do
Speaker 1: we get sheep to think like shepherd? It's not realistic?
Speaker 1: Like that's why it has to be a movement of guidance.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Forgive me? I know I just
Speaker 1: blurted it out, but it's you get what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: it's only so shepherd, it's only so many shepherds, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why it's important how we use our voice
Speaker 1: and how people speak that really are a shepherd of sheep, right,
Speaker 1: because sheep go with the flow of things. You can't
Speaker 1: ask the sheep where to go. And to me, that's
Speaker 1: ninety percent of a workforce. I mean because if they
Speaker 1: if they wasn't thinking like that, they'd have been already
Speaker 1: figuring out exactly how to guide their own path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's you know, the market system is all
Speaker 2: about agility, So like a company is not gonna get
Speaker 2: dragged through the mud when they go, shit's getting tight,
Speaker 2: we got to buy steal from a different source. People
Speaker 2: don't notice those things happen, but they happen. But when
Speaker 2: it's like things are getting tight, we already bought steel
Speaker 2: from different source. We're have to let some people go
Speaker 2: or this whole thing is gonna we have to let
Speaker 2: everybody go. It's just one of the two. So like
Speaker 2: people do need to be better educated on like foresight,
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate, but it's.
Speaker 1: I used to talk about this, right, It's like having
Speaker 1: a deal a podcast do or a record deal. It's
Speaker 1: we talk about it with Puff. You see humans complaining
Speaker 1: about it all the time. You you watch people complain like, oh,
Speaker 1: well Puff, you know he bought Mace's Publishing, right, and
Speaker 1: this is another perfect business idea. He bought Mace's publishing
Speaker 1: and now he's made money and Mace wants is publishing
Speaker 1: because it's worth money. But he bought it when it
Speaker 1: was worth no money. Yeah, right. And it's easy for
Speaker 1: artists to be like, well, I deserve my masters because
Speaker 1: you know I made Well, why didn't you make your
Speaker 1: own masters and market your own masters or that's all
Speaker 1: you had to do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you've ever been the same breath? Like
Speaker 2: I was kind of doing some scratch math like a
Speaker 2: while back, just after a pod ended, looking at like
Speaker 2: I forgot what you just said, Like what like the locks
Speaker 2: and shit what they got paid for their stuff back
Speaker 2: in the day from Puff if they just said, this
Speaker 2: is my nest egg and they just went to New
Speaker 2: Jersey and bought a little cheap you know, apartment building
Speaker 2: or something like that, whatever you could get. At the time,
Speaker 2: I was looking at it, Okay, Well, the amount of
Speaker 2: money they'd make and the appreciation they'd be making more money,
Speaker 2: so much money now they wouldn't care. But when you sell,
Speaker 2: you know your retirements, and it's gone, and then and
Speaker 2: then it's and then oh I'm fifty. Now hey, this
Speaker 2: is bullshit. I don't have anything. Well, of course you
Speaker 2: didn't be spent the thing.
Speaker 1: So when you're saying when they took pub deals, they
Speaker 1: should have went and took that money and invested in
Speaker 1: something else that year, that's a great point. But that's
Speaker 1: also because people may don't. They don't look at publishing
Speaker 1: or masters like retirements.
Speaker 2: I know people don't look at a lot of things
Speaker 2: like that, but assets.
Speaker 1: Until it's time to retire. Yeah, but there's also but
Speaker 1: also if they can see it that way, they probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't sign to Puffy in the first place.
Speaker 2: Maybe they could. It depends on what you're doing with
Speaker 2: the money. I mean, it's like, because I'll put it
Speaker 2: this way, like if you buy, if you do like
Speaker 2: a a revenue system, Let's say, like I just just
Speaker 2: for sake of just blatant stereotype, let's say every rapper
Speaker 2: when they signed their first deal is just like totally broke.
Speaker 2: They don't need this arrival moment for their masters thirty
Speaker 2: five years from now, you know what I mean. They
Speaker 2: need somebody. So if you sell your masters for a
Speaker 2: million bucks, now, whatever the hell you get five hundred
Speaker 2: k after taxes, blah blah, whatever hell you get, and
Speaker 2: you go buy a thing, and now you're getting I
Speaker 2: don't know, eight grand a month all the time, all
Speaker 2: the time, all the time, all the time. The light's
Speaker 2: draw on. You're good. The value of your assets going up.
Speaker 2: Your monthly is slowly going up with it. You know,
Speaker 2: if you even if they didn't spend that money and
Speaker 2: found other ways to make money, just put that money
Speaker 2: to work so that you're just snowballing money, making money,
Speaker 2: making money, making money, making money, making money.
Speaker 1: And this is where like and this will always say,
Speaker 1: like being black in this country is a little bit
Speaker 1: more unique of an experience than you kind of want
Speaker 1: to give it credit for. And forgive me because you
Speaker 1: do give it credit, but enough credit. Like the trauma
Speaker 1: of oppression, the trauma of poverty, even when it's like
Speaker 1: it's not happening to you all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: happening you know you it's a history of people happening
Speaker 1: to you like this. It's it weighs a lot. I'm
Speaker 1: not making no excuses for nobody. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: why people because if they could think that clearly when
Speaker 1: they got a record deal, they probably wouldn't need a
Speaker 1: record deal. You get what I'm saying. Does that sounds crazy?
Speaker 1: Like I get what you're saying. I'm just saying like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'll get you off because you're right from a straight
Speaker 1: economic standpoint. Ironically, like I said, even after this conversation,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to talk to you more about
Speaker 1: what I'm going to do, and I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: to have a better approach economically, like a much better
Speaker 1: approach because right, even like if you if you're whole life,
Speaker 1: you've been made to feel like you're not shit because
Speaker 1: you don't have the American dream, even though people that
Speaker 1: look like me, right and people that you know for
Speaker 1: the four four five hundred years have been purposely discriminated
Speaker 1: and the American dream has been kept away purposely. Now, Pete, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I was on a plantation picking cotton.
Speaker 1: I'm saying you have to actually acknowledge that even in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, it's a little tougher for somebody like
Speaker 1: me to do something with somebody like you, Right, you
Speaker 1: have to. You gotta see that right outside of the memory,
Speaker 1: the water memory and trauma. Go ahead. I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Said, I don't discredit that. I'm just looking at the
Speaker 2: two things and going that's a better option.
Speaker 1: No, No, I totally get it. And I'm not making
Speaker 1: an excuse. We're just having a dialogue outline so people
Speaker 1: who hear this that rappers coming up can understand. And yes,
Speaker 1: you should be listening to Pete. When you get your check,
Speaker 1: that's you're trading your masters for it. So you should
Speaker 1: take some of that check, right and go buy something
Speaker 1: that will be worthy of masters right in twenty years,
Speaker 1: because you may not get another check. You may be
Speaker 1: lucky every time you get that check. Remember, you're trading
Speaker 1: your your mortgaging your future earnings. Outside of that, every
Speaker 1: dollar you make, you're going to have to hustle for it.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to show up and do a concert.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to exchange your time for money.
Speaker 2: Well, sure, and in that scenario, like this is kind
Speaker 2: of the calculation, and I'll just use a round figure.
Speaker 2: You get a million dollars, right, it probably doesn't help
Speaker 2: your immediate career just because of the nature of the
Speaker 2: genre and the marketing, et cetera, which impart entails what
Speaker 2: you were discussing. But you're gonna have to put some
Speaker 2: of that into the jewelry in the car for career
Speaker 2: purposes because it improves the cashe out of your next project.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And and because humans buy success, humans buy wealth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even if they don't buy nothing else, they buy wealth.
Speaker 1: But so again, if you're an upcoming rapper, entrepreneur, anything, right,
Speaker 1: and and somebody's finance and they're buying your movie on
Speaker 1: two B, they're buying your future earnings, right, and they're
Speaker 1: a part of your futureourney. So the money you get,
Speaker 1: you have to be mindful that this is part of
Speaker 1: it is your retirement. Nobody's gonna invest it for you,
Speaker 1: And you don't want to look crazy arguing, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean twenty years from now for something that
Speaker 1: you sold, Like, yes, people will take your side, but
Speaker 1: there's no court in America that's gonna make sense out it,
Speaker 1: so you won't get it. You just persons.
Speaker 4: The biggest piece of crack of BSU heard in my life.
Speaker 4: People make a decision to do something, then come back
Speaker 4: later on and flame.
Speaker 5: They even liked Sylvester Stallone do that stupid shit. I
Speaker 5: was talking about Jamaican and last year he's complaining, I
Speaker 5: should be given the rights to like craps for my kids.
Speaker 2: As you got a thirty million dollar fucking house from
Speaker 2: the money you got for the for the rights, give
Speaker 2: that to your kids. Like that was the stupid It's
Speaker 2: the same exact thing. It's just that one.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, bro, yeah, but but again, it's like
Speaker 1: why they do it is because they are trying to
Speaker 1: convince themselves, right. The money don't always convince people. They
Speaker 1: need other people. I had this great conversation with Pun
Speaker 1: and problem, like, right, we argue like brothers, right, shout
Speaker 1: out to Jason Martin, shout out to Pun. Pun is
Speaker 1: trying to tell me to do the Palladium. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: we need to do the Palladium. I'm gonna hit him
Speaker 1: and ask them what could they offer? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've already done the Palladi. He's like, well, we could
Speaker 1: do it again. He's like, people don't remember that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't care what people remember. I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: impress people. I'm trying to impress and reach potential. Right,
Speaker 1: So we argue, I'm like, man, I want to do
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl in eighteen months. He like the Hollywood Bowl,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, we have been in the business
Speaker 1: seventeen years. We are cultural. We are we move the culture.
Speaker 1: We are the cultural inspiration. I can make a tweet
Speaker 1: and a million people retweeted, and it shifts culture. It
Speaker 1: becomes a voice for the street and to general population.
Speaker 1: They have to contend with how we're shifting the culture.
Speaker 1: Like Drake can argue with DeMar Derozen and I can
Speaker 1: explain why that is some sucker shit when you could
Speaker 1: have called this man as a man and had a
Speaker 1: conversation with him and say, hey, man, we need to
Speaker 1: meet up and we need to talk. So if you
Speaker 1: want a fighting whatever, right, And I could put my
Speaker 1: voice out there and alter general population to understand why
Speaker 1: that's unmasculine. Right, There's no reason why people of our
Speaker 1: stature should not be at the Hollywood Bowl. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying we should be able to do a stadium tour
Speaker 1: around the country or around the world. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: an arena tour around the country, around the world, but
Speaker 1: when it comes to right here, there is no reason
Speaker 1: why we shouldn't be able to put seventeen thousand, five
Speaker 1: hundred people into a place. We got way too much foundation,
Speaker 1: groundwork and too much popularity. No matter what, It just
Speaker 1: takes a plan and the goal. But to listen to
Speaker 1: him really in his mind, it just sounded crazy to them.
Speaker 1: But every last idea that I bring to my people
Speaker 1: sounds crazy initially to me. They're primitive, like not like
Speaker 1: they're nothing. I'm saying, I did the mathematic, but it's
Speaker 1: really to me, it's two plus two weeks four. So
Speaker 1: the point I'm saying is the reason people do the
Speaker 1: stuff they doing is because they're trying to convince other people,
Speaker 1: Like right, I could have spent all that time convincing
Speaker 1: pun of my value and my work why I should
Speaker 1: be at the Hollywood Bow. But the defeating part and
Speaker 1: the worrisome part that I've experienced through I've been in
Speaker 1: this business now seventeen years, is when other people around
Speaker 1: you don't see the value something. And the most deflating
Speaker 1: part and the greatest mistake you can make is convincing
Speaker 1: people around you of your worth or value. They don't
Speaker 1: have to buy you, and that's where rappers spend most
Speaker 1: of that money, convincing people they're not broken anymore, even
Speaker 1: though their bank account says they're not broken anymore. This
Speaker 1: is a curse in Black America, but it's also because
Speaker 1: it's a way to deal with that type of trauma,
Speaker 1: those type of water members, water memories, reminders that you
Speaker 1: not shitting this country. So you spend all your money
Speaker 1: trying to convince people that you something, when really your
Speaker 1: bank account should make you know that you got some money.
Speaker 1: But it is about convincing other people. And so I
Speaker 1: am grateful and blessed that my mind is strong enough
Speaker 1: to listen to my friends, you know, and they are
Speaker 1: my friends. But I'm grateful that my mind is is
Speaker 1: bright enough to not really give a fuck what he thinks.
Speaker 1: By the end of the conversation, he started to consider,
Speaker 1: heybe this nigga's not crazy. But there have been times
Speaker 1: where I have came to my team and still it
Speaker 1: be an echo chamber about it. Where I came to
Speaker 1: them with incredible ideas and they just sounded crazy to people.
Speaker 1: And a lot of times I used to let it
Speaker 1: defeat me, you know what I mean. It's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: nobody will to help me build my own residency, you
Speaker 1: feel me. So I'm not even gonna try. I can't
Speaker 1: do it by myself versus this time around where like
Speaker 1: I'm fleshing out an idea from inception to the winner
Speaker 1: circle not nowhere, stop between. I was just telling Steve,
Speaker 1: I'm like, we could buy a one bedroom house, right,
Speaker 1: that's people's mind state. People's mind state is I'm going
Speaker 1: to get a one bedroom house. Like I tell Joey
Speaker 1: Westside this all the time from the La Johnson. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he talking about man, I just want to make twenty
Speaker 1: thousand a month. I'm like, stop saying that. He's like,
Speaker 1: that's it, though, you know, I just want to do
Speaker 1: what I do for a living. Stop saying that. Stop
Speaker 1: setting these caps on your existence. And I was telling Steve,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't if you buy a one bedroom house, right, Pete,
Speaker 1: and you built a foundation for it and all that,
Speaker 1: you can't turn a one bedroom house into a mansion.
Speaker 1: It's challenging, right, you can't. You would have to level
Speaker 1: everything and redo foundation. You can't add on to it
Speaker 1: and make a mansion. It's gonna look fucking stupid. It
Speaker 1: can it can afford people could live in it. You
Speaker 1: could add rooms and add shit, but it's not going
Speaker 1: to be a mansion. You have to blueprint a mansion, right,
Speaker 1: you have to blueprint a mansion. Now, what you can't
Speaker 1: do is you can't build a one bedroom and make
Speaker 1: a mansion out of it. You have to knock it down. Eventually,
Speaker 1: it's gonna start looking stupid. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: a mansion. It's not gonna be a nice mansion. You
Speaker 1: have a lot of bedroom, but that is not a mansion.
Speaker 1: My boy, that is a bunch of rooms and it
Speaker 1: looks fucking mickey, It look country. What do you think
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 2: It's architecture a quelt.
Speaker 1: Yes, But what you can do is you can blueprint
Speaker 1: and frame a mansion and close in one bedroom and
Speaker 1: living the motherfucker. You could. You could foundate, right, get
Speaker 1: a foundation. Foundate If that's the word. I just made
Speaker 1: it up. If it's not. You could foundate a mansion.
Speaker 1: Blueprint it, make one sector, close that sectore in and
Speaker 1: live in it. The whole rest of the house can
Speaker 1: be framed. The whole rest of the house could be
Speaker 1: blueprint and you live in this one part it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: That's not probably gonna be how I would probably live
Speaker 2: next year, I try to buy a four unit with
Speaker 2: two that are good or three that are good. What
Speaker 2: that's shitty. I'm read the good ones outlifting the shitty one.
Speaker 1: It's because Pete, thank god, bro, like I have friends
Speaker 1: like you, and then my what my mother did for me,
Speaker 1: because I get it. I've never like I let other
Speaker 1: people try to convince me of horrible ways to show
Speaker 1: other people I'm successful when I know way better now
Speaker 1: that I understand the assignment. Even back then, innately, I
Speaker 1: knew more effective ways to show people that I had
Speaker 1: made it. If that was how it was gonna market myself,
Speaker 1: I would have never got a billy. People. Yes, people
Speaker 1: talk about a billy all the time. They talk about
Speaker 1: the g wag, they talk about the porch, they talk
Speaker 1: about cars that I had all the time. Right, But
Speaker 1: that doesn't tell you anything, because you know why when
Speaker 1: that shit was over, you just lost money. You gotta
Speaker 1: like it gotta start inside of you. You feel me
Speaker 1: like it got to start inside of you. Like it
Speaker 1: sounded crazy, I'm like, he like, man, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a six month plan. I'm like I don't care about
Speaker 1: a six month plan. Let's figure out an eighteen month
Speaker 1: plan and then whatever stemps along the way is fine.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, this should be the goal. The goal
Speaker 1: should be this right here. This should be one night
Speaker 1: we're able to sell out the fucking Hollywood Bowl. And
Speaker 1: if Nigga's like us, who been in this business for
Speaker 1: seventeen years, being at every level, all the opportunities in
Speaker 1: the world, somebody like me and problem you know, even
Speaker 1: pun We have all the opportunities in the world, we
Speaker 1: have all the relationships in the world. You mean to
Speaker 1: tell me, out of all these funky ass arenas and
Speaker 1: fucking stadiums, we can't sell out one. After all this work, man,
Speaker 1: we wasting time. We fucking up And I don't everybody
Speaker 1: keep trying to tell like I'm telling Joe, I like,
Speaker 1: stop saying you want to make eighteen k a month
Speaker 1: and say you want to win. Don't say you want
Speaker 1: to lead in the race for don't say you want
Speaker 1: to if it's a hundred. Don't say you want to
Speaker 1: lead in the race for nobody gets in the race
Speaker 1: like I want to lead in the race for twenty meters.
Speaker 1: I want to lead in the race for thirty meters
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't care who win it, nigga,
Speaker 1: I want to win the gold medal. I was telling
Speaker 1: them that yesterday and it sounded crazy when I first
Speaker 1: started saying, and they was laughing. But by the end
Speaker 1: of the conversation, like my everything in me, that that is,
Speaker 1: that is actually not nothing everything? Why does everything in
Speaker 1: me understand? The American dream is obtainable? But to other people,
Speaker 1: they keep trying to shift their dreams based off of
Speaker 1: today's time. They keep trying to redefine success based off
Speaker 1: of today's time. I'm not redefined. I don't give a
Speaker 1: fuck what year in time. I don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: if I was in nineteen oh two or motherfucking twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. Your dream should be society and standards should
Speaker 1: not be set in your dreams. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: And most people in general speak like from anywhere just
Speaker 2: a human condition, don't have a high risk tolerance and
Speaker 2: don't have long term patience. They want something now and
Speaker 2: they don't want to risk that much. So well, based
Speaker 2: off calculations, Well, I like everything, but I can't get
Speaker 2: everything for a very long time, and I could end
Speaker 2: up with nothing so like, like like the.
Speaker 1: Game wanted people to remember what they had, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm like and that that does
Speaker 1: feel genuinely true like everybody, But that's why social media
Speaker 1: was the device the world didn't need. Mm hmm, Well
Speaker 1: a lot of.
Speaker 2: This stuff predated that. You know, people were fucking off
Speaker 2: their money before social media.
Speaker 1: But you couldn't execute like like now like it. Yes
Speaker 1: you could do it before, but it took work. It
Speaker 1: took work. Now there's people living billion dollars to to
Speaker 1: fake it. Oh, to fake it?
Speaker 2: I got you, Yeah, to.
Speaker 1: Fake it took a lot of work today with social media,
Speaker 1: to fake it don't take no evener.
Speaker 2: Just walk through the parking a lot and have someone
Speaker 2: to take a picture of he that's to another guy's car.
Speaker 2: That's very easy.
Speaker 1: Yes, and so everybody. Again, I can't help it that
Speaker 1: everybody designs everything they like and want based off of
Speaker 1: I remember it used to be a girl that I
Speaker 1: was dating and she would always tell me her dream
Speaker 1: car was a Bentley because she would be in this Bentley.
Speaker 1: And one day I just asked her. I got fustrated.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, do you know which company
Speaker 1: makes to Bentley, She's like no, I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: know what engine is in here? She was like no,
Speaker 1: do you know where they make this car?
Speaker 2: At?
Speaker 1: Like do you know what this car represent the designer?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I'm like do you know what year the car is?
Speaker 1: She's like no, Like do you know a model?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, how do you not know anything
Speaker 1: about your dream? Like how don't you wake up and
Speaker 1: be like, let me go look up? How do I
Speaker 1: obtain a dream? And I can't even get mad because again,
Speaker 1: that's such a shepherd thing to do that you can't
Speaker 1: get mad that the average mind is not consumed with
Speaker 1: how to obtain something versus the simpleness and the easyness
Speaker 1: that it takes the dream. It's just easy to dream.
Speaker 1: You don't even choose to do it. You just dream,
Speaker 1: but to actually put in an effort and work to
Speaker 1: obtain dream like people have a bucket list. Like somebody
Speaker 1: told me my homeway told me my dream is go
Speaker 1: to England. Nigga, they got a I sent that they
Speaker 1: got flights to England for one hundred and ninety six
Speaker 1: dollars forward and back. Yeah, that's a nigga. Why are
Speaker 1: you dreaming about something that somebody else is doing every day.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine how many people from California flying
Speaker 1: to England every day. They gotta be thousands.
Speaker 2: This this stupid travel I feel like in the last
Speaker 2: five seven years, this travel obsession is like gone through
Speaker 2: the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Like you know what's you know what's pumping that up
Speaker 1: social media right, because it was back to stupid brinking shit.
Speaker 1: But back then it couldn't be a mast thing. You
Speaker 1: know why, because you couldn't share your experiences with everybody.
Speaker 1: If you went, you took pictures and you could only
Speaker 1: show pictures because you know, you did hear stories about
Speaker 1: old old women showing pictures and they travels. Back in
Speaker 1: the eighties and seventy oh, we was here, you had
Speaker 1: to go to their house. Now it's so easy to
Speaker 1: market yourself as a traveler. So you got a thousand
Speaker 1: people dreaming about something because they looked at somebody else Instagram.
Speaker 1: I swear to god, bro social media is the tool
Speaker 1: that the world did not fucking need. Most of these
Speaker 1: people lying see.
Speaker 2: And that's my thing. I do not want to have
Speaker 2: a lie on borrow time. You could There's two things
Speaker 2: you can put your money to an appreciable or a depreciable.
Speaker 2: The latter is spending, the former is investig It's something
Speaker 2: you could fuck all your money off on dumb shit
Speaker 2: and act like you got money you don't, and that
Speaker 2: money you spent that stuff on is not coming back,
Speaker 2: so you are on borrow time. At some point people
Speaker 2: are gonna find out. I do not want to be
Speaker 2: there when they find out about me, because I was
Speaker 2: lying for five years. I don't want that experience.
Speaker 4: I had to explained something to Christopher one day, because
Speaker 4: you know, Christopher used to have a lot of models
Speaker 4: in boxing them and stuff, right, And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this girl talking to me, Man, she had models she
Speaker 4: be going to buy, I said, Chrystal, message that girl.
Speaker 4: That girl be able to getting pooped on by a
Speaker 4: bunch of by a bunch of sheets, you know, because
Speaker 4: that's what goes down over there, right, So everything quite
Speaker 4: what it seemed to be on social media.
Speaker 1: You see these beautiful.
Speaker 4: Women in flossing or I've been over here, I've been here,
Speaker 4: and that they going out there man to get degraded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you're a good looking at woman
Speaker 2: with no skill set talking about how much money you're
Speaker 2: spending or where where does anybody think the fucking money
Speaker 2: is coming from?
Speaker 1: Good looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.
Speaker 1: Please do us a favorite, subscribe, very common, and share.
Speaker 1: This episode was recorded right here on the West coast
Speaker 1: of the USA and produced by the Black Effect Podcast
Speaker 1: Network and now hard Radio Yeah