WEBVTT - Jason Alexander & Peter Tilden 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.280 I had braces for nine years. I got them on, 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:08.080 they came off. I was seventeen and I remember the 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.760 braces came off and I had a date that evening. 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.000 So I went to the gym and I'm in the 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:16.840 shower and I'm, you know, coming out of the shower, 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:18.479 and I'm drying off my hair and I look in 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.759 the mirror and I see something like a thin spot 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.960 at the very very top, about the size of a quarter. 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.600 And I went, I literally said, are you frigging me? 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.720 I don't get a day one day. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:48.240 Hello, this is Jason Alexander and I was on Seinfeld. Hi, 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:55.600 this is legendary radio DJ and writer producer Peter Tilden. Okay, no, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:59.080 it's just me, Brian Baumgartner. But I swear you're going 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:08.759 to hear from them soon. Hi everybody, and welcome back 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:13.800 to Off the Beat. We've lost a recording somewhere. We 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.240 didn't hear them introduce themselves. But that's okay. I can 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.039 not only host the show. I can I can play 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:24.360 different characters as well. Apparently today, as you just heard, 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.800 we've got not one not too well, yes, two guests, 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:35.399 and they are real life besties. Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.800 You may know Jason Yes from his time on Seinfeld 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:46.520 playing George Costanza, or perhaps you know him from his 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.840 extensive Broadway career, which we discuss in depth today, or 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:56.440 from Pretty Woman he played Philip Stuckey. And of course 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:01.160 we also have writer producer Peter Tilden on today to 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:05.800 talk about his career and working from KABC to co 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:11.120 creating Hit the Road with You Guessed Jason Alexander. Also, 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.280 they just started a brand new podcast together called Really, No, 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:21.880 Really and Yes Really that is the name, and it's 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.240 a good one. So I'm not going to keep you waiting. 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.680 I know many of you have wanted the stars of 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:32.200 Seinfeld on today. You have my favorite because he's the first. 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:39.880 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. Everybody enjoy. 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:42.440 Bubble and Squeak. 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:44.520 I love it. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:47.040 Bubble and Squeakna. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:49.520 Bubble and Squeak. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:54.040 I cook get every mon lift ooh from the ninety. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:03:07.160 Before, Hello, everybody there, We look at this. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:12.959 Wow, look at you too, look at you? 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.200 Really no, really you even have the poster strategically placed. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.079 You bet. We don't get around and we know this 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:22.680 is just audio. We don't care. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:28.040 I promise we'll grab a picture to at least show that. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.120 How are you How are you both doing? 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:36.520 Oh? We're living the dream right you saw? 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.200 So we were at the the Our Heart Award show 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:40.880 where you hosted, which that's amazing. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:41.480 That's right. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.040 We're just we're, like Jason said, couldn't get any better. Yeah, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:45.640 pinch me. 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:49.240 When when did the two of you meet? Now? Was 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:50.640 it on Bob Patterson? 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:55.080 No? No, no, it was so As you probably know, 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:57.920 Peter was one of the foremost talk radio hosts in 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.480 Los Angeles for thirty years. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:00.800 Yes, and Peter, what. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.680 Was that KBC back then when I met you? 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:03.560 Or it was KBC? 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:07.480 It was KBC and I came in, you know, promoting 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.040 Seinfeld in its earlier years. So it's probably around ninety two. 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.560 I would imagine maybe second season or third season, went 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.160 in to you know, do a straight up interview with Peter, 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.120 which does not exist, by the way, there is no 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.720 straight up interviews with Peter. And we were giggling and 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.080 having a good old time and it just felt like, 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.840 you know, we clicked. And after the after we went 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:30.560 off the air, Peter said, Hey, it's early I want 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.720 to go grab some breakfast and I went, I kind 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:33.000 of do. 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.960 We've been eating for twenty seven more years. We haven't 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:36.520 stopped eating. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.440 He was actually at that breakfast where he said, I've 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.919 got your next show after Seinfeld. It was exactly the 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:46.799 one we did, but but we've been the best friends 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:47.240 ever since. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:48.360 That's amazing. 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.839 I want to go back even before that and talk 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:58.640 a little bit about both of you growing up. When 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.000 did you realize you started to have interest either in 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.720 performing or the arts, or Peter, you know, having a 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.200 career in the arts as well. When did you start 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.320 getting excited and interested about that. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:13.160 I'll go first and get it out of the way, 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.000 because it's not as interesting as yours with magic and Broadway. Now. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.960 I was trapped in a home with insane people. Okay, 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.600 who would help if you open my refrigerator. Everything was 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:24.880 upside down, waiting for the last drop. They came from Europe. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:26.840 They had nothing, so I always thought I was upside down. 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.480 The heat in the house it was convection currents coming 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.000 up with my father's body. The only time I saw 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.720 my parents touch was for a brief Heimlich So I 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.880 had to get out of there. So when I got out, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.320 I tried a bunch of different things, and then ended 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.200 up working at radio station briefly then realizing I could 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.320 write copy to help sales, and I liked the copy, 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:47.600 and then I started doing that and got creative with that. 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:52.479 Was heard on the radio in Philadelphia, just sitting in 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:53.960 and they said, you want to come out to LA. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.919 I came out to LA, kept the ad agency I 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.320 had going, and then started branching out really quickly from 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.680 radio into doing TV and other stuff. So it was 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.600 not till later, not till I had no sense that 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.240 this was going to happen. It was kind of accidental 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.920 until you know, well, well after college. Unlike Jay, who 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.080 I think, well, Jay will tell you it was a child. 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:16.680 He wanted to perform well. In a way, I was 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:26.040 much in juxtaposition to my seemingly gregarious personality. I was 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.080 I was and. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.599 In many ways still am, you know, a kind of 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.560 a small personality kid. 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:33.280 I was. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.640 I was a bullied kid. My parents both worked, My 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:39.400 siblings were much older than me, so I was kind 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.760 of a latchkey kid, a little bit of a loner, 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.279 a little bit of an introvert, kind of a you know, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:50.440 a scared little kid. And my escape was into magic, 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:51.200 magic tricks. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:51.479 Yeah. 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.360 I had seen Mark Wilson and family on The Sullivan 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.720 Show or something or wonder Rama or whatever the hell 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.440 it was, and I said, oh, that looks like fun 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.200 to have to have powers. That sounds interesting when you're 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:07.680 intimidated a little kid. So I was I really did 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.000 you know? For however, it started when I was six 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.280 years old, and I was I got books and I 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.440 got magic kids, and I really put in the time, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.400 and I thought magic would be an avenue for me, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.880 not really thinking of it as performing. I didn't really 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:26.040 equate it that way. I just thought I was somehow 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:31.400 empowering myself in some very juvenile way. When I was 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.920 twelve or thirteen years old, we moved from one town 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.320 in New Jersey to about five towns over where I 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.720 knew absolutely nobody, and two things happened at the same time. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.160 One I went to, you know, is sort of a 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.840 what was called a magic camp. It was just a 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.240 really bunch of courses, and I realized that I just 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:52.800 was not keeping up with my peers. My ability to 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.960 do close up magic was considerably less skillful than anybody else, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.480 and I went, I'm not going to be good enough 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.320 for this. And at the same time, the first kids 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.000 that picked me up in the new town were the 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.400 theater kids. And again I didn't think of it as performing. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.800 I thought of it as, oh, suddenly I have friends. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.760 I have friends, never friends before. So I got pulled 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.760 into this community, and it turned out that I had 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:21.880 an affinity for being on stage, and it just kept growing. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:27.400 And soon after that my enjoyment of actually going, Oh 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.920 I like doing this as much as I liked being 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.800 with these people started to develop, and then it became 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:33.200 a goal. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.080 So right, So for you to start, it was really 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:38.959 about just being a part of something. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:41.199 Yeah, it was I. I was not an athletic kid, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.360 so it was my team. I suddenly had a sports team, 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.680 you know, And you didn't find that magic Magic Camp. 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:46.480 The team wasn't. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.720 There, Uh, not so much a team sport. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.679 Yeah, how sad was on the Tale of One to Ten. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:53.079 How sad was Magic Camp? 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:53.760 Oh? 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:54.120 It was. 0:08:54.280 --> 0:08:56.840 First of all, every kid there was in desperate needo therapy, 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.440 and you know, we were all we were all bottom 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.000 of the barrel on our you know, home turf, and 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:05.680 but some very talented kids there. I don't know if 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.000 they went on to have careers, but I I wanted 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:10.160 to be a close up magician. I have teeny tiny 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:11.960 little hands. To this day, I have a six month 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.800 old grandson. His hands are almost my size. So I 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.319 just couldn't manipulate the cards and the coins. And I 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.400 knew I wasn't going to catch up. I wasn't gonna 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.360 I wasn't gonna get ahead of the curve. And I went, 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.800 it's not gonna work out for me, So got'll look elsewhere. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:33.319 You you start falling in love with with actually acting performing, 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.880 and for you, did you feel like you needed more training, 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:41.680 that you needed to go somewhere and study. Talk to 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.520 me a little bit about for you how because for me, 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.920 what's fascinating is making the jump right from which was 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.480 me which was like, oh this is a fun activity, right, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.880 this is an extra curricular to then like, oh no, no, 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:58.960 this is what I want to do for the rest 0:09:59.000 --> 0:09:59.520 of my life. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.000 There were two people who were very influential to me 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:05.360 deciding I wanted to be an actor. One we just 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.520 had on our podcast, Bill Shatner. I was a star 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.640 trek nut, and I was a star trek nut because 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:14.600 I fell in love with the charisma that Shatner had 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.320 on constant display in the role of Kirk, so I 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:20.840 understood that that was what acting was. I would basically 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.200 do anything as Bill Shatner. I would just be Bill Shannon. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.400 But when I was twelve years old, thirteen years old, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:29.160 these kids that I had fallen in with the fact 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:30.600 that I had grown up in New Jersey, we kept 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.400 going into New York to see Broadway shows and it 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:36.200 was very cheap to do that back then. And I 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.560 saw a very early performance of Pippen with Ben Vereen, 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.680 and Pippen was the first show that had magic tricks 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:48.800 in it that I went, oh, magic and I could 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:51.960 do that. Yeah, And I know this sounds as I 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.440 understand how ridiculous this sounds. But as I sat in 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.679 that chair, I went, I could be Ben Veren, which 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.040 means I have to learn to sing, I have to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.240 learn to dance like that, and I have to have 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.640 that much charisma, I have to have that much power 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.400 on a stage. So I did. Literally the next week, 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.520 I was in tap dance classes and I was studying, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.280 you know, voice, So I knew those were skills I 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.400 had to develop. I didn't really understand that I also 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.080 needed that there were skills in craft to acting. I 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:25.000 didn't realize that, but my parents were dead set as 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.559 supportive as they were because I started working professionally when 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.640 I was fourteen. I couldn't have done that if my 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:34.440 parents weren't behind that effort. But they were very realistic about, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.600 you know, life in this business, and they wanted me 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.040 to go and have a college education. They were not 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.199 thrilled with the fact that my college education was going 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.080 to be as a theater major. But it was when 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.640 I got to Boston University and started studying theater that 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:53.320 I went, oh, there's like a craft to this, There's 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.520 like things you have to know. So that's when it 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.400 started to be when my eyes were open to you, 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.840 just don't imitate Bill Shatner every time his. 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:08.720 Mother, Bill Shatner and Ben Vereen. I know, that's what 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:15.480 I was thinking. It's also for me really interesting as 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:21.080 people began to find their place in in the business 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.200 and you know, to hear from you or to know 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:29.080 about you, that your your Broadway debut happens and merrily 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:34.800 we roll along. Obviously, as you mentioned singing and dancing 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.560 and acting, was there a part of you that felt 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.920 like you wanted to be a musical theater actor. That 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.240 that's that, that was your career, that's where you wanted 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:43.600 to live. 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.040 Well, that was that was the Ben Vereen influence. Yeah, 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:50.240 you know, part of the magic of Veren was the 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:54.000 way he moved. I I had. You know, we'd all 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.839 watched dancers. I grew up with Freda Staire and Jean 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:01.840 Kelly and you know, great dancers. But the the fossy 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:08.560 sense of sexualized, sensuous movement on a guy and a 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.120 guy that had some street swag to him, you know, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:16.360 was just the most I went, well, that's, of course, 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:17.959 that's what you got to do. That's what I want 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.160 to do. And you know, my eyes had to be 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:22.199 opened to the fact that I was never going to 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:26.680 cut the same dash as a been for me. Now 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.360 that that reality check came along a little later, but 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.319 in the moment of my childhood when that all happened, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.520 I went, Yeah, the musical theater. And that's what I 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:37.520 got pulled into by these theater kids. You know, first 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:39.040 thing I did with them was sound of music and 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.280 I was a Von Trapp kid, So musical theater was 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.920 what I thought would be my best and maybe only 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.360 area of success. I wasn't even sure that I could 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.440 carry the ball as a non musical actor. 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:59.240 Okay, Peter, at this time you have started working out 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.720 of college in radio and you come to LA, how 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:04.120 old are you? 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.200 Much much later? I didn't come out here in my thirties. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.679 I was I had a first family, and I had 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:10.679 an that agency that was doing okay. And then when 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.200 when the guy called said come out, that was a 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:17.280 big risk to come out, and I came out, kept 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.200 the agency going for as long as I could for 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.440 the people that were there, and then I didn't know 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.200 what I was doing in morning drive radio. Your first 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.680 job was a was a real eye opener for me, 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:28.920 and I thought I was going to go back. After 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.160 a year, I just thought it was over. It was 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:33.000 a failed experiment. But I got to meet some people 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.360 and it was really cool. And then talk radio called me. 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.200 This was Cale that was KLSS before Howard Stern. Talk 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.240 Radio called and I went and it was wild. They 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.040 were the number one station in the country at the time. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.680 And here I am with everyone's coming in. Every guest 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:50.240 that you could have a president's actors, actresses, politicians, everybody 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.800 met everybody and interviewed everybody. So it was and amagenta. 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:57.000 I'm a professional guy who really wants to know everything 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.440 about you. I think you know we did a court 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.760 of course of thing and I never met you, but 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:04.400 I like coming in. I mean today, I prepped today 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.680 for what you and Jason have in common. You knew, 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.600 you knew my, you knew the brand of underwe what 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.400 just about? Yeah, I don't know you knew to think 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.160 that now people are going to a different place, disgusting, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.640 But but like today, what you and Jason have in common. 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.200 Both studied theater right, both did nine seasons on this sitcom. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:27.200 Both have a daytime emmy. Both of you didn't want 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.440 to be kind of type gests because you do a 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.840 lot of other stuff. Both were our directors at small theaters, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.520 artistic directors at small theaters. So it's just cool to 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.240 come from that place. So I also want to be 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:39.320 here as an audience and not mentioned what I'm doing 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:41.960 because it's fascinating watching you guys. And you asked a 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.440 great prerect question, which was when's that moment when it 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:47.880 goes to hobby the holy crap, I got to deliver? 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:49.520 And then when does it go from I got to 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.560 deliver to how do I keep delivering. It looks a 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.800 competition and my nightmare. Always stay to Jason. And if 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.040 you're listening to this and haven't seen Jason onstage, He's 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:00.320 my buddy, He's my best friend. We are you all 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:02.720 the time, we have the podcast, we've done shows together. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.120 I'm still in awe when he walks on stage, even 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.240 if I've helped write the piece. There's a different power 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:11.880 that happens. He just it's just this thing happens. And 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.920 you know, thats Brian, how amazing that is to own 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:17.040 a piece of that stage for X amount of time 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.920 and it's yours. You own it and you can do 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.880 with it whatever you want, and not everybody succeeds. And 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.280 it fascinates me when I watch him go out there 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.920 and he transforms into this thing. It's goosebump time. He 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:31.720 does it every time. It is really powerful. 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.680 Thanks Pety, and thank you Peter for not mentioning the 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.240 hairline that Brian and I. 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.440 Point Well, yeah you both have, Okay, don't I don't 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.000 thank Thank goodness, but both which, by the way, must 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.680 have played into both of your psyches growing up young, 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.880 because I remember everybody around me. It's that age I 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.440 remember asking this, this girl Anne, who I was dating 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.120 at the time, constantly at the back, the back standing, 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:54.880 it's standing in it. It's stinning, isn't it. She say, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.520 you're neurotic. I go, no, I'm thinning. I'm sinning. And 0:16:57.560 --> 0:16:59.720 she ran into me like thirty years later and I said, look, 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:00.920 see she said, it's the same. 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:01.880 It's the same. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.639 But what age, like, what age did it happen to you? 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:08.879 Yeah? What? What? What about you? Jason? 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.840 I remember it almost of the day. I had braces 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.880 for nine years. I got them off. I came off. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.640 I was seventeen, and uh, I remember the braces came off. 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.200 And I had a date that evening. So I went 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.639 to the gym and I'm in the shower and I'm, 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.119 you know, coming out of the shower and I'm drying 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.159 off my hair and I look in the mirror and 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.000 I see something like a thin spot at the very 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.320 very top, about the size of a quarter. And I went, 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.240 I literally said, are you freaking didn't me? I don't 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:49.880 get a day one day? And it was it really 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:51.960 was the beginning. By the time I got to college, 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.919 you know, my sophomore year of college, I had you know, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:18:01.320 like like a solid drinkcoaster spot up there, you know, 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:04.199 and I and I panicked over and I cried about it, 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.280 and I really really thought it was the end of everything. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.760 But you know, if you always say, what do you 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.639 want to tell your younger self? If it hadn't happened, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:16.360 my career would not have happened the way it did 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.640 because I kept getting cast much older than I was, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.080 which was far more interesting roles, right, and I had 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.520 an energy about those roles that guys that age didn't have, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:30.000 so it made me kind of unique. I met my 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.119 wife when I was twenty, so it wasn't like I 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.720 was looking good and she got fooled. She's was going 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.479 on with anywhere? 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:45.240 Did you ever, I mean, this is I guess this 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:51.119 is personal. Did you ever or consider doing something to 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:51.720 change it? 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:51.960 Oh? 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.760 My god, are you kidding? First of all, I was 0:18:54.800 --> 0:19:00.879 one of the first rogaine users. But rogain, you know, 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.399 rogain now comes in two forms. There's a there's like 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.760 an oil base and there's a foam the oil base. 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.840 Back in the beginning, it was like all oil. So 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:10.399 if you have thinning hair and you put oil on 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:12.920 your head, you look like you belong on the street, 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:15.400 you know, so that was no good. Then I went 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.480 to hair club for men for a year and they 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:20.719 had the thing where they make fishing line and they 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.679 take your hair and they make a braid and then 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.320 they sew the to pey onto that braid and you 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.520 have to go every four weeks to have it to 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:30.640 have the crud the cottage cheese scraped off your head 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:32.320 because you can't shampoo under that. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:34.679 So, by the way, if they want to use that 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:38.440 as they're out, yeah, right, the Cottage. 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.000 After Seinfeld, there was a period of time where people 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.840 where I got really close to a couple of rolls 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.080 and they ultimately didn't go with me because they said, 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.720 he looks so much like his character on Seinfeld, And 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.040 I'm going, you honestly can't see me, Like if I 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.879 grow a mustache or I put on a wig, you 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.639 can't figure that out. So as a sort of fu 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:00.359 I wore a to pay for two of you years, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.000 publicly making no bones about it, going see, see, it 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:09.440 changed nothing, right, So if I could have changed it easily, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:13.119 I probably would have, but nothing was was going to 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:18.880 be easy. And frankly, who you know, nobody cares anymore? 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.680 No I know, I mean, I'll tell you briefly mine 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.480 because it's it's similar in a way. Now, I already 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:31.760 was playing older roles. I'm convinced that it was sped 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.680 up by that old makeup company ben Nye. Remember ben 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:41.120 Nye does the theater makeup. And I convinced that cutting 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:45.480 thinning for older roles and putting makeup on did something, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.200 because it was right after that where it really took 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.399 a turn. So I went in, I got the I 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:53.520 got the prescription. I had to get a prescription for 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.399 the ro game. My dad was a he is a 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:01.960 doctor and got a dermatology that was just like buddy 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.240 and got me the stuff. And then it was explained 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.960 to me that it could have no effect, it could 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:15.840 stop the loss, or it could reverse like a clock. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.840 But then what was explained to me was if you 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.520