1
00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,280
Speaker 1: I had braces for nine years. I got them on,

2
00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,080
Speaker 1: they came off. I was seventeen and I remember the

3
00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,760
Speaker 1: braces came off and I had a date that evening.

4
00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 1: So I went to the gym and I'm in the

5
00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,840
Speaker 1: shower and I'm, you know, coming out of the shower,

6
00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,479
Speaker 1: and I'm drying off my hair and I look in

7
00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,759
Speaker 1: the mirror and I see something like a thin spot

8
00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,960
Speaker 1: at the very very top, about the size of a quarter.

9
00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,600
Speaker 1: And I went, I literally said, are you frigging me?

10
00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,720
Speaker 1: I don't get a day one day.

11
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,240
Speaker 2: Hello, this is Jason Alexander and I was on Seinfeld. Hi,

12
00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:55,600
Speaker 2: this is legendary radio DJ and writer producer Peter Tilden. Okay, no,

13
00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,080
Speaker 2: it's just me, Brian Baumgartner. But I swear you're going

14
00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:08,759
Speaker 2: to hear from them soon. Hi everybody, and welcome back

15
00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,800
Speaker 2: to Off the Beat. We've lost a recording somewhere. We

16
00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,240
Speaker 2: didn't hear them introduce themselves. But that's okay. I can

17
00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,039
Speaker 2: not only host the show. I can I can play

18
00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:24,360
Speaker 2: different characters as well. Apparently today, as you just heard,

19
00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,800
Speaker 2: we've got not one not too well, yes, two guests,

20
00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:35,399
Speaker 2: and they are real life besties. Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden.

21
00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,800
Speaker 2: You may know Jason Yes from his time on Seinfeld

22
00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,520
Speaker 2: playing George Costanza, or perhaps you know him from his

23
00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,840
Speaker 2: extensive Broadway career, which we discuss in depth today, or

24
00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:56,440
Speaker 2: from Pretty Woman he played Philip Stuckey. And of course

25
00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:01,160
Speaker 2: we also have writer producer Peter Tilden on today to

26
00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,800
Speaker 2: talk about his career and working from KABC to co

27
00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:11,120
Speaker 2: creating Hit the Road with You Guessed Jason Alexander. Also,

28
00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,280
Speaker 2: they just started a brand new podcast together called Really, No,

29
00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,880
Speaker 2: Really and Yes Really that is the name, and it's

30
00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,240
Speaker 2: a good one. So I'm not going to keep you waiting.

31
00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,680
Speaker 2: I know many of you have wanted the stars of

32
00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,200
Speaker 2: Seinfeld on today. You have my favorite because he's the first.

33
00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:39,880
Speaker 2: Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. Everybody enjoy.

34
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,440
Speaker 3: Bubble and Squeak.

35
00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:44,520
Speaker 1: I love it.

36
00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,040
Speaker 4: Bubble and Squeakna.

37
00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:49,520
Speaker 3: Bubble and Squeak.

38
00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,040
Speaker 1: I cook get every mon lift ooh from the ninety.

39
00:02:53,520 --> 00:03:07,160
Speaker 5: Before, Hello, everybody there, We look at this.

40
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,959
Speaker 4: Wow, look at you too, look at you?

41
00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,200
Speaker 2: Really no, really you even have the poster strategically placed.

42
00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,079
Speaker 1: You bet. We don't get around and we know this

43
00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:22,680
Speaker 1: is just audio. We don't care.

44
00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,040
Speaker 2: I promise we'll grab a picture to at least show that.

45
00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,120
Speaker 2: How are you How are you both doing?

46
00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh? We're living the dream right you saw?

47
00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,200
Speaker 3: So we were at the the Our Heart Award show

48
00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,880
Speaker 3: where you hosted, which that's amazing.

49
00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:41,480
Speaker 4: That's right.

50
00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,040
Speaker 3: We're just we're, like Jason said, couldn't get any better. Yeah,

51
00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:45,640
Speaker 3: pinch me.

52
00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,240
Speaker 4: When when did the two of you meet? Now? Was

53
00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,640
Speaker 4: it on Bob Patterson?

54
00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,080
Speaker 1: No? No, no, it was so As you probably know,

55
00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,920
Speaker 1: Peter was one of the foremost talk radio hosts in

56
00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,480
Speaker 1: Los Angeles for thirty years.

57
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:00,800
Speaker 4: Yes, and Peter, what.

58
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,680
Speaker 1: Was that KBC back then when I met you?

59
00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,560
Speaker 4: Or it was KBC?

60
00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,480
Speaker 1: It was KBC and I came in, you know, promoting

61
00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,040
Speaker 1: Seinfeld in its earlier years. So it's probably around ninety two.

62
00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,560
Speaker 1: I would imagine maybe second season or third season, went

63
00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,160
Speaker 1: in to you know, do a straight up interview with Peter,

64
00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,120
Speaker 1: which does not exist, by the way, there is no

65
00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,720
Speaker 1: straight up interviews with Peter. And we were giggling and

66
00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,080
Speaker 1: having a good old time and it just felt like,

67
00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,840
Speaker 1: you know, we clicked. And after the after we went

68
00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,560
Speaker 1: off the air, Peter said, Hey, it's early I want

69
00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:32,720
Speaker 1: to go grab some breakfast and I went, I kind

70
00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,000
Speaker 1: of do.

71
00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,960
Speaker 3: We've been eating for twenty seven more years. We haven't

72
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:36,520
Speaker 3: stopped eating.

73
00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,440
Speaker 1: He was actually at that breakfast where he said, I've

74
00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,919
Speaker 1: got your next show after Seinfeld. It was exactly the

75
00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,799
Speaker 1: one we did, but but we've been the best friends

76
00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:47,240
Speaker 1: ever since.

77
00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,360
Speaker 4: That's amazing.

78
00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,839
Speaker 2: I want to go back even before that and talk

79
00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,640
Speaker 2: a little bit about both of you growing up. When

80
00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,000
Speaker 2: did you realize you started to have interest either in

81
00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,720
Speaker 2: performing or the arts, or Peter, you know, having a

82
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 2: career in the arts as well. When did you start

83
00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,320
Speaker 2: getting excited and interested about that.

84
00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,160
Speaker 3: I'll go first and get it out of the way,

85
00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,000
Speaker 3: because it's not as interesting as yours with magic and Broadway. Now.

86
00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,960
Speaker 3: I was trapped in a home with insane people. Okay,

87
00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,600
Speaker 3: who would help if you open my refrigerator. Everything was

88
00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,880
Speaker 3: upside down, waiting for the last drop. They came from Europe.

89
00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,840
Speaker 3: They had nothing, so I always thought I was upside down.

90
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,480
Speaker 3: The heat in the house it was convection currents coming

91
00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000
Speaker 3: up with my father's body. The only time I saw

92
00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,720
Speaker 3: my parents touch was for a brief Heimlich So I

93
00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,880
Speaker 3: had to get out of there. So when I got out,

94
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,320
Speaker 3: I tried a bunch of different things, and then ended

95
00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,200
Speaker 3: up working at radio station briefly then realizing I could

96
00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,320
Speaker 3: write copy to help sales, and I liked the copy,

97
00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,600
Speaker 3: and then I started doing that and got creative with that.

98
00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,479
Speaker 3: Was heard on the radio in Philadelphia, just sitting in

99
00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,960
Speaker 3: and they said, you want to come out to LA.

100
00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,919
Speaker 3: I came out to LA, kept the ad agency I

101
00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,320
Speaker 3: had going, and then started branching out really quickly from

102
00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,680
Speaker 3: radio into doing TV and other stuff. So it was

103
00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600
Speaker 3: not till later, not till I had no sense that

104
00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,240
Speaker 3: this was going to happen. It was kind of accidental

105
00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,920
Speaker 3: until you know, well, well after college. Unlike Jay, who

106
00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,080
Speaker 3: I think, well, Jay will tell you it was a child.

107
00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,680
Speaker 3: He wanted to perform well. In a way, I was

108
00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:26,040
Speaker 3: much in juxtaposition to my seemingly gregarious personality. I was

109
00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,080
Speaker 3: I was and.

110
00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,599
Speaker 1: In many ways still am, you know, a kind of

111
00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,560
Speaker 1: a small personality kid.

112
00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:33,280
Speaker 3: I was.

113
00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,640
Speaker 1: I was a bullied kid. My parents both worked, My

114
00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,400
Speaker 1: siblings were much older than me, so I was kind

115
00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,760
Speaker 1: of a latchkey kid, a little bit of a loner,

116
00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,279
Speaker 1: a little bit of an introvert, kind of a you know,

117
00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:50,440
Speaker 1: a scared little kid. And my escape was into magic,

118
00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:51,200
Speaker 1: magic tricks.

119
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:51,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

120
00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,360
Speaker 1: I had seen Mark Wilson and family on The Sullivan

121
00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Show or something or wonder Rama or whatever the hell

122
00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 1: it was, and I said, oh, that looks like fun

123
00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,200
Speaker 1: to have to have powers. That sounds interesting when you're

124
00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,680
Speaker 1: intimidated a little kid. So I was I really did

125
00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000
Speaker 1: you know? For however, it started when I was six

126
00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,280
Speaker 1: years old, and I was I got books and I

127
00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,440
Speaker 1: got magic kids, and I really put in the time,

128
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,400
Speaker 1: and I thought magic would be an avenue for me,

129
00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,880
Speaker 1: not really thinking of it as performing. I didn't really

130
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,040
Speaker 1: equate it that way. I just thought I was somehow

131
00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,400
Speaker 1: empowering myself in some very juvenile way. When I was

132
00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,920
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen years old, we moved from one town

133
00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,320
Speaker 1: in New Jersey to about five towns over where I

134
00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,720
Speaker 1: knew absolutely nobody, and two things happened at the same time.

135
00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,160
Speaker 1: One I went to, you know, is sort of a

136
00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:44,840
Speaker 1: what was called a magic camp. It was just a

137
00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:50,240
Speaker 1: really bunch of courses, and I realized that I just

138
00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 1: was not keeping up with my peers. My ability to

139
00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,960
Speaker 1: do close up magic was considerably less skillful than anybody else,

140
00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,480
Speaker 1: and I went, I'm not going to be good enough

141
00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,320
Speaker 1: for this. And at the same time, the first kids

142
00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,000
Speaker 1: that picked me up in the new town were the

143
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,400
Speaker 1: theater kids. And again I didn't think of it as performing.

144
00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,800
Speaker 1: I thought of it as, oh, suddenly I have friends.

145
00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760
Speaker 1: I have friends, never friends before. So I got pulled

146
00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,760
Speaker 1: into this community, and it turned out that I had

147
00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:21,880
Speaker 1: an affinity for being on stage, and it just kept growing.

148
00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:27,400
Speaker 1: And soon after that my enjoyment of actually going, Oh

149
00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,920
Speaker 1: I like doing this as much as I liked being

150
00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,800
Speaker 1: with these people started to develop, and then it became

151
00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:33,200
Speaker 1: a goal.

152
00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,080
Speaker 2: So right, So for you to start, it was really

153
00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,959
Speaker 2: about just being a part of something.

154
00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was I. I was not an athletic kid,

155
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,360
Speaker 1: so it was my team. I suddenly had a sports team,

156
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,680
Speaker 1: you know, And you didn't find that magic Magic Camp.

157
00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,480
Speaker 4: The team wasn't.

158
00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720
Speaker 1: There, Uh, not so much a team sport.

159
00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, how sad was on the Tale of One to Ten.

160
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,079
Speaker 3: How sad was Magic Camp?

161
00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh?

162
00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,120
Speaker 4: It was.

163
00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,840
Speaker 1: First of all, every kid there was in desperate needo therapy,

164
00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,440
Speaker 1: and you know, we were all we were all bottom

165
00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000
Speaker 1: of the barrel on our you know, home turf, and

166
00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,680
Speaker 1: but some very talented kids there. I don't know if

167
00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,000
Speaker 1: they went on to have careers, but I I wanted

168
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,160
Speaker 1: to be a close up magician. I have teeny tiny

169
00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,960
Speaker 1: little hands. To this day, I have a six month

170
00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,800
Speaker 1: old grandson. His hands are almost my size. So I

171
00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,319
Speaker 1: just couldn't manipulate the cards and the coins. And I

172
00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,400
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to catch up. I wasn't gonna

173
00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna get ahead of the curve. And I went,

174
00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,800
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work out for me, So got'll look elsewhere.

175
00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:33,319
Speaker 2: You you start falling in love with with actually acting performing,

176
00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,880
Speaker 2: and for you, did you feel like you needed more training,

177
00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,680
Speaker 2: that you needed to go somewhere and study. Talk to

178
00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,520
Speaker 2: me a little bit about for you how because for me,

179
00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,920
Speaker 2: what's fascinating is making the jump right from which was

180
00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,480
Speaker 2: me which was like, oh this is a fun activity, right,

181
00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,880
Speaker 2: this is an extra curricular to then like, oh no, no,

182
00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,960
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do for the rest

183
00:09:59,000 --> 00:09:59,520
Speaker 2: of my life.

184
00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,000
Speaker 1: There were two people who were very influential to me

185
00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,360
Speaker 1: deciding I wanted to be an actor. One we just

186
00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,520
Speaker 1: had on our podcast, Bill Shatner. I was a star

187
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640
Speaker 1: trek nut, and I was a star trek nut because

188
00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,600
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the charisma that Shatner had

189
00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,320
Speaker 1: on constant display in the role of Kirk, so I

190
00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,840
Speaker 1: understood that that was what acting was. I would basically

191
00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,200
Speaker 1: do anything as Bill Shatner. I would just be Bill Shannon.

192
00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,400
Speaker 1: But when I was twelve years old, thirteen years old,

193
00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,160
Speaker 1: these kids that I had fallen in with the fact

194
00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,600
Speaker 1: that I had grown up in New Jersey, we kept

195
00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,400
Speaker 1: going into New York to see Broadway shows and it

196
00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,200
Speaker 1: was very cheap to do that back then. And I

197
00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,560
Speaker 1: saw a very early performance of Pippen with Ben Vereen,

198
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,680
Speaker 1: and Pippen was the first show that had magic tricks

199
00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:48,800
Speaker 1: in it that I went, oh, magic and I could

200
00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,960
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, And I know this sounds as I

201
00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,440
Speaker 1: understand how ridiculous this sounds. But as I sat in

202
00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,679
Speaker 1: that chair, I went, I could be Ben Veren, which

203
00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,040
Speaker 1: means I have to learn to sing, I have to

204
00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,240
Speaker 1: learn to dance like that, and I have to have

205
00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,640
Speaker 1: that much charisma, I have to have that much power

206
00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,400
Speaker 1: on a stage. So I did. Literally the next week,

207
00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,520
Speaker 1: I was in tap dance classes and I was studying,

208
00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, voice, So I knew those were skills I

209
00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,400
Speaker 1: had to develop. I didn't really understand that I also

210
00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,080
Speaker 1: needed that there were skills in craft to acting. I

211
00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't realize that, but my parents were dead set as

212
00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,559
Speaker 1: supportive as they were because I started working professionally when

213
00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,640
Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I couldn't have done that if my

214
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,440
Speaker 1: parents weren't behind that effort. But they were very realistic about,

215
00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,600
Speaker 1: you know, life in this business, and they wanted me

216
00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,040
Speaker 1: to go and have a college education. They were not

217
00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,199
Speaker 1: thrilled with the fact that my college education was going

218
00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,080
Speaker 1: to be as a theater major. But it was when

219
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,640
Speaker 1: I got to Boston University and started studying theater that

220
00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,320
Speaker 1: I went, oh, there's like a craft to this, There's

221
00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,520
Speaker 1: like things you have to know. So that's when it

222
00:11:55,559 --> 00:12:00,400
Speaker 1: started to be when my eyes were open to you,

223
00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 1: just don't imitate Bill Shatner every time his.

224
00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,720
Speaker 2: Mother, Bill Shatner and Ben Vereen. I know, that's what

225
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:15,480
Speaker 2: I was thinking. It's also for me really interesting as

226
00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:21,080
Speaker 2: people began to find their place in in the business

227
00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,200
Speaker 2: and you know, to hear from you or to know

228
00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,080
Speaker 2: about you, that your your Broadway debut happens and merrily

229
00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,800
Speaker 2: we roll along. Obviously, as you mentioned singing and dancing

230
00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,560
Speaker 2: and acting, was there a part of you that felt

231
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,920
Speaker 2: like you wanted to be a musical theater actor. That

232
00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,240
Speaker 2: that's that, that was your career, that's where you wanted

233
00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:43,600
Speaker 2: to live.

234
00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,040
Speaker 1: Well, that was that was the Ben Vereen influence. Yeah,

235
00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, part of the magic of Veren was the

236
00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,000
Speaker 1: way he moved. I I had. You know, we'd all

237
00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,839
Speaker 1: watched dancers. I grew up with Freda Staire and Jean

238
00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,840
Speaker 1: Kelly and you know, great dancers. But the the fossy

239
00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:08,560
Speaker 1: sense of sexualized, sensuous movement on a guy and a

240
00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,120
Speaker 1: guy that had some street swag to him, you know,

241
00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,360
Speaker 1: was just the most I went, well, that's, of course,

242
00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:17,959
Speaker 1: that's what you got to do. That's what I want

243
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,160
Speaker 1: to do. And you know, my eyes had to be

244
00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,199
Speaker 1: opened to the fact that I was never going to

245
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,680
Speaker 1: cut the same dash as a been for me. Now

246
00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,360
Speaker 1: that that reality check came along a little later, but

247
00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,319
Speaker 1: in the moment of my childhood when that all happened,

248
00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,520
Speaker 1: I went, Yeah, the musical theater. And that's what I

249
00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,520
Speaker 1: got pulled into by these theater kids. You know, first

250
00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,040
Speaker 1: thing I did with them was sound of music and

251
00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,280
Speaker 1: I was a Von Trapp kid, So musical theater was

252
00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:47,920
Speaker 1: what I thought would be my best and maybe only

253
00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,360
Speaker 1: area of success. I wasn't even sure that I could

254
00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,440
Speaker 1: carry the ball as a non musical actor.

255
00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,240
Speaker 2: Okay, Peter, at this time you have started working out

256
00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,720
Speaker 2: of college in radio and you come to LA, how

257
00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,120
Speaker 2: old are you?

258
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,200
Speaker 3: Much much later? I didn't come out here in my thirties.

259
00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,679
Speaker 3: I was I had a first family, and I had

260
00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:10,679
Speaker 3: an that agency that was doing okay. And then when

261
00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,200
Speaker 3: when the guy called said come out, that was a

262
00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:17,280
Speaker 3: big risk to come out, and I came out, kept

263
00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,200
Speaker 3: the agency going for as long as I could for

264
00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,440
Speaker 3: the people that were there, and then I didn't know

265
00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,200
Speaker 3: what I was doing in morning drive radio. Your first

266
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,680
Speaker 3: job was a was a real eye opener for me,

267
00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:28,920
Speaker 3: and I thought I was going to go back. After

268
00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,160
Speaker 3: a year, I just thought it was over. It was

269
00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,000
Speaker 3: a failed experiment. But I got to meet some people

270
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,360
Speaker 3: and it was really cool. And then talk radio called me.

271
00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,200
Speaker 3: This was Cale that was KLSS before Howard Stern. Talk

272
00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,240
Speaker 3: Radio called and I went and it was wild. They

273
00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,040
Speaker 3: were the number one station in the country at the time.

274
00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 3: And here I am with everyone's coming in. Every guest

275
00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,240
Speaker 3: that you could have a president's actors, actresses, politicians, everybody

276
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,800
Speaker 3: met everybody and interviewed everybody. So it was and amagenta.

277
00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,000
Speaker 3: I'm a professional guy who really wants to know everything

278
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,440
Speaker 3: about you. I think you know we did a court

279
00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,760
Speaker 3: of course of thing and I never met you, but

280
00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,400
Speaker 3: I like coming in. I mean today, I prepped today

281
00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,680
Speaker 3: for what you and Jason have in common. You knew,

282
00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,600
Speaker 3: you knew my, you knew the brand of underwe what

283
00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,400
Speaker 3: just about? Yeah, I don't know you knew to think

284
00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,160
Speaker 3: that now people are going to a different place, disgusting,

285
00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,640
Speaker 3: But but like today, what you and Jason have in common.

286
00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:23,200
Speaker 3: Both studied theater right, both did nine seasons on this sitcom.

287
00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,200
Speaker 3: Both have a daytime emmy. Both of you didn't want

288
00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,440
Speaker 3: to be kind of type gests because you do a

289
00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,840
Speaker 3: lot of other stuff. Both were our directors at small theaters,

290
00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,520
Speaker 3: artistic directors at small theaters. So it's just cool to

291
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,240
Speaker 3: come from that place. So I also want to be

292
00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,320
Speaker 3: here as an audience and not mentioned what I'm doing

293
00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,960
Speaker 3: because it's fascinating watching you guys. And you asked a

294
00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,440
Speaker 3: great prerect question, which was when's that moment when it

295
00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,880
Speaker 3: goes to hobby the holy crap, I got to deliver?

296
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,520
Speaker 3: And then when does it go from I got to

297
00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,560
Speaker 3: deliver to how do I keep delivering. It looks a

298
00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,800
Speaker 3: competition and my nightmare. Always stay to Jason. And if

299
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,040
Speaker 3: you're listening to this and haven't seen Jason onstage, He's

300
00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,320
Speaker 3: my buddy, He's my best friend. We are you all

301
00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,720
Speaker 3: the time, we have the podcast, we've done shows together.

302
00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:06,120
Speaker 3: I'm still in awe when he walks on stage, even

303
00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,240
Speaker 3: if I've helped write the piece. There's a different power

304
00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,880
Speaker 3: that happens. He just it's just this thing happens. And

305
00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,920
Speaker 3: you know, thats Brian, how amazing that is to own

306
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,040
Speaker 3: a piece of that stage for X amount of time

307
00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:18,920
Speaker 3: and it's yours. You own it and you can do

308
00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,880
Speaker 3: with it whatever you want, and not everybody succeeds. And

309
00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,280
Speaker 3: it fascinates me when I watch him go out there

310
00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,920
Speaker 3: and he transforms into this thing. It's goosebump time. He

311
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,720
Speaker 3: does it every time. It is really powerful.

312
00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,680
Speaker 1: Thanks Pety, and thank you Peter for not mentioning the

313
00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,240
Speaker 1: hairline that Brian and I.

314
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,440
Speaker 3: Point Well, yeah you both have, Okay, don't I don't

315
00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,000
Speaker 3: thank Thank goodness, but both which, by the way, must

316
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,680
Speaker 3: have played into both of your psyches growing up young,

317
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:47,880
Speaker 3: because I remember everybody around me. It's that age I

318
00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,440
Speaker 3: remember asking this, this girl Anne, who I was dating

319
00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,120
Speaker 3: at the time, constantly at the back, the back standing,

320
00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,880
Speaker 3: it's standing in it. It's stinning, isn't it. She say,

321
00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,520
Speaker 3: you're neurotic. I go, no, I'm thinning. I'm sinning. And

322
00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,720
Speaker 3: she ran into me like thirty years later and I said, look,

323
00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,920
Speaker 3: see she said, it's the same.

324
00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:01,880
Speaker 4: It's the same.

325
00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,639
Speaker 3: But what age, like, what age did it happen to you?

326
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,879
Speaker 4: Yeah? What? What? What about you? Jason?

327
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,840
Speaker 1: I remember it almost of the day. I had braces

328
00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,880
Speaker 1: for nine years. I got them off. I came off.

329
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,640
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, and uh, I remember the braces came off.

330
00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,200
Speaker 1: And I had a date that evening. So I went

331
00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,639
Speaker 1: to the gym and I'm in the shower and I'm,

332
00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,119
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of the shower and I'm drying

333
00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,159
Speaker 1: off my hair and I look in the mirror and

334
00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,000
Speaker 1: I see something like a thin spot at the very

335
00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,320
Speaker 1: very top, about the size of a quarter. And I went,

336
00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,240
Speaker 1: I literally said, are you freaking didn't me? I don't

337
00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:49,880
Speaker 1: get a day one day? And it was it really

338
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 1: was the beginning. By the time I got to college,

339
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,919
Speaker 1: you know, my sophomore year of college, I had you know,

340
00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:01,320
Speaker 1: like like a solid drinkcoaster spot up there, you know,

341
00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,199
Speaker 1: and I and I panicked over and I cried about it,

342
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,280
Speaker 1: and I really really thought it was the end of everything.

343
00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,760
Speaker 1: But you know, if you always say, what do you

344
00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,639
Speaker 1: want to tell your younger self? If it hadn't happened,

345
00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,360
Speaker 1: my career would not have happened the way it did

346
00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 1: because I kept getting cast much older than I was,

347
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 1: which was far more interesting roles, right, and I had

348
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,520
Speaker 1: an energy about those roles that guys that age didn't have,

349
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,000
Speaker 1: so it made me kind of unique. I met my

350
00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,119
Speaker 1: wife when I was twenty, so it wasn't like I

351
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,720
Speaker 1: was looking good and she got fooled. She's was going

352
00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,479
Speaker 1: on with anywhere?

353
00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,240
Speaker 2: Did you ever, I mean, this is I guess this

354
00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:51,119
Speaker 2: is personal. Did you ever or consider doing something to

355
00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:51,720
Speaker 2: change it?

356
00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 6: Oh?

357
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,760
Speaker 1: My god, are you kidding? First of all, I was

358
00:18:54,800 --> 00:19:00,879
Speaker 1: one of the first rogaine users. But rogain, you know,

359
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,399
Speaker 1: rogain now comes in two forms. There's a there's like

360
00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,760
Speaker 1: an oil base and there's a foam the oil base.

361
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,840
Speaker 1: Back in the beginning, it was like all oil. So

362
00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 1: if you have thinning hair and you put oil on

363
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 1: your head, you look like you belong on the street,

364
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, so that was no good. Then I went

365
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,480
Speaker 1: to hair club for men for a year and they

366
00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,719
Speaker 1: had the thing where they make fishing line and they

367
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,679
Speaker 1: take your hair and they make a braid and then

368
00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,320
Speaker 1: they sew the to pey onto that braid and you

369
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 1: have to go every four weeks to have it to

370
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,640
Speaker 1: have the crud the cottage cheese scraped off your head

371
00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,320
Speaker 1: because you can't shampoo under that.

372
00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,679
Speaker 3: So, by the way, if they want to use that

373
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 3: as they're out, yeah, right, the Cottage.

374
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: After Seinfeld, there was a period of time where people

375
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 1: where I got really close to a couple of rolls

376
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 1: and they ultimately didn't go with me because they said,

377
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,720
Speaker 1: he looks so much like his character on Seinfeld, And

378
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm going, you honestly can't see me, Like if I

379
00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,879
Speaker 1: grow a mustache or I put on a wig, you

380
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 1: can't figure that out. So as a sort of fu

381
00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,359
Speaker 1: I wore a to pay for two of you years,

382
00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: publicly making no bones about it, going see, see, it

383
00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: changed nothing, right, So if I could have changed it easily,

384
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: I probably would have, but nothing was was going to

385
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 1: be easy. And frankly, who you know, nobody cares anymore?

386
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,680
Speaker 2: No I know, I mean, I'll tell you briefly mine

387
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 2: because it's it's similar in a way. Now, I already

388
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: was playing older roles. I'm convinced that it was sped

389
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,680
Speaker 2: up by that old makeup company ben Nye. Remember ben

390
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 2: Nye does the theater makeup. And I convinced that cutting

391
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 2: thinning for older roles and putting makeup on did something,

392
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 2: because it was right after that where it really took

393
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: a turn. So I went in, I got the I

394
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: got the prescription. I had to get a prescription for

395
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: the ro game. My dad was a he is a

396
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: doctor and got a dermatology that was just like buddy

397
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: and got me the stuff. And then it was explained

398
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,960
Speaker 2: to me that it could have no effect, it could

399
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 2: stop the loss, or it could reverse like a clock.

400
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: But then what was explained to me was if you

401
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: ever stop, the clock speeds up to wherever you would say,

402
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: it leaves up. And I thought, am I going to

403
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: do this forever? Like that was for me? That was

404
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 2: the decision. And yeah, it was oily back then at

405
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: the time at least it kind.

406
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: Of had a alcohol.

407
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 4: Yes kind of smell anyway, so I stopped.

408
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: I blame the jew fro phenomena of nineteen seventy six,

409
00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 1: where every Joe boy was getting an afro, and I

410
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: did it. And that's what I noticed. Oh sure, I

411
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: burnt every follicle, I assid and eat and I killed

412
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: every all.

413
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: You premieerarily we roll on, then a number of other

414
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: Broadway shows, the Rank personals, Broadway Bound, Jerome Robbins, Uh Broadway.

415
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 4: Were you happy? Was that?

416
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was delirious. I I had only one.

417
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: Living in New York performing on Broadway.

418
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: When I once, you know, Ben Vereen got under my skin.

419
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I had one ambition in life that was to somehow

420
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 1: get to make a living on the New York stage.

421
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,439
Speaker 1: I had no fantasies about film or television. It was

422
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: all about how do I get across the river and

423
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: make a living on that stage. And I realistically thought,

424
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: and I was pretty optimistic, you know, I didn't think

425
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: anything was gonna stop. But optimistically I thought, well, I'll

426
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 1: get out of college, I'll have to go do summer stock,

427
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: I'll have to do touring companies. Maybe by the time

428
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: i'm forty, if I'm lucky, i'll get to New York.

429
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I'll get to Broadway. And I turn around and I

430
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: can't even finish college because I get cast in my

431
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: first Broadway show at twenty and not only AH Broadway show,

432
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: but Hal Prince and Steve Somedheim, which were the two

433
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 1: biggest figures in the American musical theater of the twentieth century.

434
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: And suddenly, you know, I'm calling them Hal and Steve

435
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: and my Way debut. It was I was. I was

436
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: all through the eighties doing all that theater in New

437
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: York as my primary living and living well, my wife

438
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 1: and I. You know, we had a lovely apartment that

439
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: we rented. We were able to put money in the

440
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,359
Speaker 1: bank every year, and I thought, this is it. This

441
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: is as good as it gets. If I'm lucky enough

442
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 1: to keep this going, what a happy man am I?

443
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: And then you know, all the other stuff happened, and

444
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: you go, okay, what are you doing? Dream of now?

445
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: This is nuts? And it all gets through a podcast

446
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: with my friend Peter.

447
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: Finally, you were nominated for a Tony for Jerome Robbins's Broadway.

448
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: Talk to me a little bit about finding out that

449
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: you were nominated for a Tony.

450
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: Well again, you know, twelve year old kid in New

451
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 1: Jersey fantasizing in the bathroom I'm not holding the Oscar.

452
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm holding of Tony. That's what it was all about.

453
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: It was I don't even know where to put it.

454
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I know where it all sits for me now.

455
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: At the time, it was hard to remember. It was

456
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: all terribly exciting and a little bit confusing because it

457
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: felt like my life was happening at a very accelerated pace.

458
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: You know, when you dream of something as kind of

459
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: an end goal and it comes early, right, it really can't.

460
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: As much as it's exciting, it can throw you because

461
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: you go, well, what the hell do I dream of next?

462
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm already disproportionately blessed. Where can this go

463
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: but down in some ways? So I was overwhelmed by

464
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 1: it all. And I can tell you I've said it

465
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: on things before. I was I would have been horribly

466
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: disappointed if I had lost the award. But I won it,

467
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: and it was a great night and I'm very, very

468
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: thrilled and proud to have it. But when I got

469
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: home that night, you know, we had done the party

470
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 1: and we had done everything, and I got home and

471
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: you know, I had twenty messages on my phone machine,

472
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: which was a lot. You know, it's a normal day

473
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: would be three or four twenties a lot, but it

474
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: wasn't one hundred, it wasn't a thousand. But the world

475
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: didn't change. And I got into bed that night with

476
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: my wife and there was a line in Pippin that

477
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: I used to quote all the time, because the story

478
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: of Pippen that Ben Maveren show is Pippen knows he's extraordinary,

479
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: but he doesn't know what he's supposed to do with

480
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: his life, so he tries a bunch of different things,

481
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: and at one point he tries being a soldier, and

482
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: at the end of that sequence, Ben Marien says to him,

483
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: well how was that for you? And Pippen says, I

484
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: thought there'd be more plumes. And I got in bed

485
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: that night with my wife, Dana, and she said, what

486
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: are you feeling? And I said, I thought there'd be

487
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: more plumes? And what I learned was, you know, it

488
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: was the beginning of learning that the destined. You hear

489
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 1: it all the time, It's not the destination, it's the journey.

490
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: It began to prove itself very very true for me

491
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: that night, so I'd no longer put energy on those

492
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,360
Speaker 1: kinds of milestones. There are very different kinds of markers

493
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: and milestones and goals in my life that I think

494
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: ultimately have more personal value.

495
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's so true.

496
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: The journey, I mean, it's everything, and especially when you're

497
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: in a business such as ours, where there's a strive

498
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: for some sort of artistic creativity. There's wanting to be different,

499
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: wanting to change things, even roles that you play that

500
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: have happened before that you find your own way within that.

501
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: Performing in front of a live audience, then performing in

502
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 2: front of millions, I mean, all of those things. When

503
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: you know, when people would ask us about the show

504
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: or the Emmys or the Golden Globes or this or that,

505
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, yeah, we had a couple of

506
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: great parties. We had a couple, but it's never what

507
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: I think about.

508
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: It's also, you know, Peter, you should talk about this

509
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, Peter and I have

510
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: done several projects together that by a barometer, a showbiz barometer,

511
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 1: they didn't succeed, they didn't become the goal that we

512
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: had hoped for. But Pete, they are probably the best

513
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: parts of our life together. Was every one of.

514
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 3: Those objects I always say to Jason, you know, the

515
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: reason I came up with the first TV show was

516
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: so we could work together, because there's a different thing

517
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: to be friends, and then there's a real different thing

518
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 3: to share the stage together. You know, that's really something special.

519
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: And then when that went away, I said, oh, I

520
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 3: got to come up with the next thing so we

521
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: can be together. Came up with another show about a

522
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 3: family on a buss withfore covid who. I thought that

523
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: would be the nurse worst nightmare. You have kids in

524
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 3: your family and you know exactly what they're doing every

525
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: minute of the day. I don't want to know most

526
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: of that because the responsibility would be insane. So we

527
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: got to do that. Sold that, and then when the

528
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: corporate when the Donnie Clay is Bob Patterson's give me

529
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 3: the TV show we was a motivational guy went away,

530
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: we created a live show where we played corporations as

531
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: that character so we could continue doing that. We traveled

532
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: all over, then created a stand up show, and then

533
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: this podcast I didn't want to do. You know, I

534
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: was in radio. I didn't want to do a podcast

535
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: because there's so many wasn't sure. Then researched it came

536
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: up with the concept. Jason was in and thought and

537
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: the greatest thing. We were doing an interview the other day,

538
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: Jason said, the most amazing thing is like this. This

539
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: was the magic in my radio career that I got

540
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: to interview everybody and anybody and ask these kinds of

541
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: questions that you really want to know about if you're

542
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 3: really an interested person, and you can travel through cultural

543
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 3: time and space and find out about them and live

544
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: experientially through them. I mean, Jason's talking about Broadway. It

545
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: takes you on that stage. I always asked them, how

546
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 3: do you it's the same show every night? Are the

547
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: little nuances? Is that? What's the magic? I couldn't imagine

548
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 3: the redundancy. So it's such a different world, you know.

549
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: And I know you're laughing because you're smiling because the

550
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: same question. But it's been such an amazing journey to

551
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 3: share this. I wouldn't have gotten to meet you. I

552
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't have gotten to do this with Jason with you.

553
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: So the next chapter that we create always is really exciting.

554
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: And again, will this be a huge success. It doesn't,

555
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 3: it'd be nice, and it's great of a lot of

556
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 3: people can hear it, and we move the ball and

557
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: kind of educate some people and make them laugh. But

558
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: you know what, this was already, what a great look

559
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: at that, What a great way to spend an afternoon

560
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: for a bit, you know, hanging out with you and

561
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: you can get into a jacent in a different way

562
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: in the audience.

563
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: And it's a definition, it's a redefinition of what success is.

564
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: We tend as human beings to define success by the

565
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: response we get from other people as opposed to our

566
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: own experience of the thing we're doing. And the nice

567
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: thing for Peter and I is that the experience of

568
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: the doing of everything we've done has been some of

569
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: the best times in my life. We laughed together and

570
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and worst stuff. And you know, when we were doing

571
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: about Patterson, when that show ended, Peter went into the

572
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: hospital and died on the table. He was that ill.

573
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: And so when I think about, you know, what was

574
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: the cost of trying to make a success for other people?

575
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: And yet we we laughed ourselves sick through them.

576
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 3: And continue and continue to that's the only way to go.

577
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,719
Speaker 3: And that was what we figured the showd let's learn

578
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: some stuff. But also if we're not laughing and we're

579
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: doing something, this device that we don't. The world doesn't say, hey,

580
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 3: we need another divisive thing, so if we can, yeah,

581
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: let's not do that. Let's let's educate a little bit.

582
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: Let's learn what we want to do, because we're both bumpkins.

583
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: And the funniest thing is is this evolves. Jason and

584
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 3: I argue all day long about everything when we do

585
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: when when we do these it becomes this sickening love.

586
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 3: And then we go back and go you talk to

587
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: my shut up you talking your show?

588
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 4: Why did you ask? We're not doing that.

589
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: We're not doing it now. But it is a joy.

590
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 3: You know that you do it. No need to do

591
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: this right, You can be out playing golf. Absolutely no.

592
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: In fact, I have said so, I hope it sounds

593
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: like you are having the same experience. People ask about

594
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: me doing the podcast. I universally it is my favorite

595
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: and the best time of my day because getting to

596
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: hear people's stories and you know, being genuinely interested in

597
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: the question that I'm about to ask Jason, which is

598
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: you you're on Broadway. It's your dream, it's your it

599
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: is your everything. There may not be as many plumes

600
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 2: as you say when you finally get there and you

601
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 2: have the Ultimate and you win the Tony. Why the

602
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: change another opportunity or do you make a conscious decision

603
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: that you're ready for something else when you start moving Which,

604
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: by the way, for people who don't know, the year

605
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: that Jerome Robbins Broadway comes out and he wins the

606
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: Tony and that's his he gets the twenty phone calls,

607
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: this is the year that Seinfeld comes out for you.

608
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: For me, let me just say this first. For me,

609
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: when I was doing theater, I considered it a career change.

610
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 2: That's what it was for me when I moved to

611
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: Los Angeles and said I'm going to say no to

612
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 2: theater projects for the next year, and it really, for

613
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: me felt like a career change. For you, what is

614
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: the decision for you to begin to transition into television.

615
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 1: Was Brian, There was no decision. I am always I

616
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: was so happy. Thirty five years ago, Robert Duval won

617
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: an Oscar for Great Santini and he was being interviewed

618
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: on television and the interviewer said to him, it must

619
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: be great to get to a point in your career

620
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: where you're making your choices and you're doing the things

621
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: you want to do and people are coming to you,

622
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: And Duval looked at her and went, I don't know

623
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: what the hell you're talking about. Nothing has changed. Anybody

624
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: who basically wants to hire me, All they got to

625
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: do is ask, if it's not porn, I'll do it.

626
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: You know, I think there's maybe twenty five people in

627
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: our business at any given time, but we're literally making

628
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: choices and decisions and plotting a course. The rest of

629
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: us schmucks are just going, what someone wants me to

630
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: do something, Oh, that sounds interesting. So all of a sudden,

631
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing theater and Gary Marshall hires me

632
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: for Pretty Woman, Like, go, okay, I've been in a

633
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: couple of movies. Didn't change my life. This isn't gonna

634
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: Who knew Pretty One was going to be Pretty Woman?

635
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: And then this pilot comes up and they go, it's

636
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: the Seinfeld experience with the Seinfeld whatever, and I go, oh,

637
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I saw Jerry Seinfeld the club. It seems fun. And

638
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: you know, I audition, I auditioned. It didn't come get me.

639
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: I didn't audition and I got it and we did it,

640
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 1: and you know, it was a failed pilot. It wasn't

641
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: going I went back to New York and they went, now,

642
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: we're going to do four more. I went, okay, you know,

643
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: I got nothing else going on, and it became a thing.

644
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: There was no choice. The next thing I knew, I'm

645
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: living in la I got kids, and I can't get

646
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: back to New York to do theater. And once I

647
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: had the kids, I kind of that was the change.

648
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: The children were the change, because doing eight shows a week,

649
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: it's the antithesis of a child's schedule. You know, they

650
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: come home from school, you go to work, they come

651
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: home on weekends, you go to work. They're not going

652
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: to school on holidays. You're working double on holidays. So

653
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I knew if I wanted to be a participatory father,

654
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 1: the theater had to be a very very selective, small

655
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: piece in my life. So I focused on film and

656
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: television specifically until my kids got through high school, right

657
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and then now I'm really more back in the theater

658
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: than anything else.

659
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: That's that's really interesting, and I think that's partly that's

660
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: got to be. You know, I worked all around the country,

661
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: including New York and other places. I was more you know,

662
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: I was working at the Guthrie and Berkeley rep and

663
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: doing touring shows, and you know, for me, it felt

664
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: like it felt like I had to make a decision.

665
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

666
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't sort of happening as simultaneously as it

667
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: was for you. I mean simultaneously, but I mean moving

668
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: back and forth between doing this movie or doing that.

669
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: You know, I had done a couple of films, but

670
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: that was like, oh, they came to you know, Minneapolis

671
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: or whatever, and I just happened to get cast in

672
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: this or that. But that's interesting that for you it

673
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: wasn't a change, and so really was it was after

674
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: Seinfeld happened and your kids came that you decide to

675
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 2: focus exclusively there for them.

676
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. I remember when Seinfeld ended. My sons were ten

677
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 1: and six years old, and I said to my wife,

678
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, honey, I think the best thing we could

679
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: do is go back to New York and go back

680
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: on the stage. I don't know what's going to happen

681
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: in film and television. I mean, I've got this elevated visibility,

682
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: but that's going to be really powerful on the stage.

683
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be meaningful out here.

684
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: And my wife, you know, has achieved more wisdom in

685
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: one lifetime than I will get in ten says to me,

686
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, whatever you want to do, we will go.

687
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you a question. You know what

688
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 1: a the week is like on your deathbed? That's always

689
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: a good sentence on your deathbed. Do you think you

690
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: will remember your great nights on the stage or the

691
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: nights you tucked your boys to sleep? And I went okay,

692
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: and so the decision got made. And that's why I

693
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: started a theater. Well I didn't start it, but I

694
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: took over a theater company out here for several years.

695
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Just I did the producers in LA for a year

696
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: with Marty Short. You know, I would keep my toe

697
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: in the water. But I was really working in Peter

698
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: Knows because we did a lot of it together. I

699
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: was working to try and get a television thing happening

700
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: again because I knew that was the best parenting schedule

701
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: I had ever had, and so was that I was

702
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: actively pursuing. But everything else has been pretty much a

703
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: happy accident.

704
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: You come from the theater, which is the genesis of

705
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: this question. How close to you is George?

706
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: You know, my knee jerk answer used to be not

707
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: at all, But you know now I don't honestly know.

708
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: I can tell you, George, there were three role models

709
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: in my head over the years that I played him. Initially,

710
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: when I was auditioning for it, I had Woody Allen

711
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: in my head. As we were doing some of the

712
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: early episodes. There was a good little doll up of

713
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Jackie Gleeson that got in there as well.

714
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see that.

715
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: But as soon as I as soon as I understood

716
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: that George was some sort of alter ego for Larry,

717
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: I had the great good fortune of having the role

718
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: model standing next to me for the next seven years.

719
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: And I feel like most of what I was doing

720
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: as George was trying to run Larry's physicalities and Larry's

721
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: vocal rhythms and Larry's I'm going to say performative sensibilities,

722
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: because actually I know Larry to be a much, for

723
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: lack of a better word, sweeter human being than the

724
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: character he plays. But I was just trying to funnel

725
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: all that through something that would fit on me. So

726
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I would I would have always said, it's well, it's

727
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: not me, it's mostly my interpretation of Larry. But as

728
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: I go back of late and I sometimes look at

729
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: an old episode and I go that little piece of timing,

730
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: that look that I did, that little thing. That is

731
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: something I can see in my sons, and I go,

732
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: So that's pure Jason Arry. So I can tell you

733
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: only I understand George. George could be a despicable human being.

734
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: He is selfish, he's unethical, you know, he behaves very

735
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: badly at times, and.

736
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: I get it.

737
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: And what saves him from me, and the reason I

738
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: have affection for the character is because he is so

739
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,919
Speaker 1: driven by a sense of I'm not cutting it, I'm

740
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: not worthy, I'm not good enough to be anything. But

741
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: he can't live with that, so he overcompensates and exaggerates

742
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: and lies and manufactures and acts out out of a

743
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: desperation that you know, who of us has not been

744
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: prey to that at one time or another, acted in

745
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: ways we're not proud of. I mean, I've been in

746
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: therapy for thirty five years. Try and not do that

747
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: stuff because it's such a common And I think that's

748
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: why George has the touch of the common man is

749
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: because everybody to some degree feels their own inadequacies, even

750
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: if they have a healthy ego, they feel their own inadequacies.

751
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: They feel when they go into any given room, that

752
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: they're not enough, they don't deserve to be there, And

753
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: for many, many people, they compensate by exaggerating, overblowing, making

754
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: inorganic choices to who they really are, and they get

755
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: hoisted on their own petard, much like a George. And

756
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: so I have sympathy because I think he is, in

757
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: many ways the human race trying to figure it out.

758
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: You know, No, I look at Peter. Peter has come

759
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: so so far and yet has so far to go.

760
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: You know something, I'm thinking, you're much more like George

761
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 3: than you admit. So there's this there's a sense of

762
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: entitlement and George that Jason doesn't have. But when Jason

763
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: is slighted, and it's really funny, and I'm not trying

764
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 3: to segue back to the podcast, but Jason the the

765
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: origin of the podcast. The phrase came up with Jason

766
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: would I would crack up because and this is a George.

767
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: If we're driving and I get cut off, I go,

768
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: what the hell does it? You know, Jason does a

769
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 3: difference thing when he's cut off, or the waiter doesn't

770
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 3: bring the check in time, whatever. Really, really, it's this

771
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: huge enormous slight It really encompasses so much, they just

772
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: they just stupid.

773
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: On the road and not just really really.

774
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but something is done and politically, something that's done

775
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: in the world that you really Jason noise really, which

776
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: is a succinct the way of saying, what are.

777
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 4: They doing to me? What are they doing to me?

778
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: What are they doing to me? Exactly?

779
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: And I couldn't get, by the way, Brian, I couldn't get.

780
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 3: They wanted really dark out, they wanted like a half

781
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: moneion bucks, and I went, there's no way. So I thought,

782
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: how do we make it even more absurd that I

783
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 3: don't believe your first answer, So I don't believe you

784
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 3: shows answer. So I'm already going really, no, really, I'm

785
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: assuming you're gonna bes me, and I'm going right to

786
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: the second. But that's Jason that when you say his house,

787
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: he like George, that's Jason. I see it. He's sweet,

788
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: he's a dad, he's this, And then it dissolves in

789
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 3: a second when that slight comes on.

790
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm one line away from going, you know, we're living

791
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: in a society, and I see it.

792
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: So he's not George because he doesn't go to there, right,

793
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: but he will go there for money, but he doesn't

794
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: go there. But it's lurking. It is lurking under the skin.

795
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 3: Because you saw easily.

796
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: How easily he went, Jason, How important for you, because

797
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: you just brought it up? How important for you is physicality,

798
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: vocal rhythm, posture. For lack of a better word, that's

799
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: an awful, non actory word. I don't know where that

800
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 2: just came from. But how important is that for you

801
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: to creating a character?

802
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: Essential? Brian, I've been teaching acting for the last I

803
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: don't know, twenty five years, and it's been developing. My guru,

804
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: the man who really sort of brought clarity to me

805
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: about the craft is a gentleman who's still teaching and

806
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: a friend of mine. His name is Larry Moss. He's

807
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: New York based, and I started building off the principles

808
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: that Larry gave me about twenty five years ago when

809
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: I started doing masterclasses. But one of the main components

810
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 1: that's developed in my own look at stuff is that

811
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: without getting too much into how we make the sausage,

812
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: but you know, actors do many things. We portray feelings,

813
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: but we're not called emmotors or feelers. We speak the lines,

814
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: but we're not called speakers or orators, We're called actors.

815
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: And the thing we bring to text that makes it

816
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: more than a reading is actions, physicality, verbs, things we

817
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: try to do to each other as these lines tell

818
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: their story. And so the physicality of not only how

819
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: does my character inhabit and move through space? Is there?

820
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, is there a person that I want to

821
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: use as a sort of a role model? Is there

822
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: an animal? Is there an idea that informs my body

823
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: in a different way? And then you know with the text,

824
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: what am I? What am I physically doing? What actions

825
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: are being played through all this? What am I trying

826
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: to get the other actors or other characters rather to

827
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: do in any given scene. So there's a huge physical

828
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: component to it. And it's the thing that a lot

829
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: of American actors in particular don't put much thinking into.

830
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: And it's the thing that I when I teach, I

831
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: kind of lead with it. And in many ways it

832
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: can screw up actors because they're being asked to think

833
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: in a different way and it's very off putting. But

834
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: for those that rally to it, you just see these huge,

835
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: huge leaps in their ability and what they can do,

836
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: and the sort of uniqueness of their performance, So it's exciting.

837
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 4: What do you think the legacy of Sidefeld is?

838
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you know, I have no idea, you know,

839
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: I keep waiting for us, for someone to have enough

840
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: perspective on it to really be able to answer that question.

841
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm honest to God. Other than I really do think

842
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: it was a funny show. I can objectively stand back

843
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: and go, really funny and really performed and written exquisitely well,

844
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: and I give so much, you know, high fives to

845
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: the writers. People always say you guys were so good,

846
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: you were and I go, well, you know, if they

847
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: throw the ball to the five yard line, it's not

848
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: hard to fall. And the writers, the writing on the

849
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: show was consistently handing you, you know, a touchdown every week.

850
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: You just had to not fumble it. It's a very

851
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: funny show, and it's celebrated funny. It's but I guess

852
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: it in its zeitgeist, it was able to ask the

853
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: audience to look in the mirror at the things they

854
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 1: were going through all the time and do what Jerry

855
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: and Larry are able to do, and most good comics

856
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: are able to do, is to take the stuff that

857
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: seems mundane or oppressive or wrong or just crazy about

858
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: their lives, and see what's funny about it, To see

859
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: what it's funny in the human condition to give voice

860
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: to the false inflations of ego. And and you know,

861
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I deserve this and I'm gonna get that, and I

862
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: don't deserve this, and this is right for me and

863
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: every man for himself and need before you know, there

864
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: was something about the way they portrayed those things. And

865
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: the fact, I mean the fact that we did an

866
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: episode on masturbation and got away with it and involved

867
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: a girl in it. At the time, I mean, forget

868
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: even just doing a show up masturbation to a girl

869
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: be part of it was unheard of. And but that's

870
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 1: what I mean about. I'm going to take a wild

871
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: swing and say ninety percent of the human population at

872
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: one time or another has probably touched themselves. To make

873
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: fun of that reality is so bold and so interesting

874
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: and makes it all so much more human to say, hey,

875
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: you know what, we all have. We all well think

876
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: too highly of ourselves at one time or another. We

877
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: all take the selfish path or the past the least

878
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: resistance every now and then, and we look awfully stupid

879
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: when we do. It did that, and I think it

880
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: allowed people to do what we are not as capable

881
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: of doing right now, which is to laugh at ourselves.

882
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, I am as progressive a human as I

883
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: think I can be, But I worry. The only thing

884
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: I worry about is that as we struggle to figure

885
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: out how we all fit together, no matter who we

886
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 1: are and what we represent, if we lose our ability

887
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: to go, we are all kind of silly. We're all

888
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, the struggles are real and the

889
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: wants are real, but we do behave in kind of

890
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: crazy ways every now and then. And if we can't

891
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: enjoy that about ourselves and about each other, then I

892
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: truly do worry for humanity. In some ways we lose

893
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: our sense of humor and the ability to go, we're

894
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: kind of silly. I mean, the things we want to

895
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: do are serious and they're vital, but we're kind of

896
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: silly in the way we navigate this crazy world.

897
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Dude, I I look, I'm a nerd for the business.

898
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: I love the business. I read a lot about it.

899
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: And for whatever it's worth, the answer that you just

900
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: gave about Seinfeld, maybe it's been said a thousand times before.

901
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: But it's the smartest and most scinct answer that I've

902
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 2: ever heard about. It makes sense because you're you're a

903
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 2: smart guy, and you worked on it for a hell

904
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: of a long time. But you know, people talk about

905
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: the Office, and especially when the Office first started, because

906
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: it was different, like Seinfeld was different.

907
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 4: They sort of connected.

908
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: Us in a in a way like we're we're a

909
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: progression for that, And for me that never made sense

910
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: to me because to me, our even though you know,

911
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: the form was totally different, I saw us as being

912
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: born out of Cheers, which is a collection of people

913
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: who are stuck together, either by choice or not in

914
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: different environments. But ultimately, you know, to be simplistic right now,

915
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: to not give an hour dissertation celebrating the ordinariness of people,

916
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: like finding small victories that may seem mundane to other

917
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 2: people that are but are very important. And for me,

918
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: Seinfeld was never that. It wasn't a show about nothing,

919
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 2: but your answer right there is finding those idiosyncrasies and

920
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 2: being able to laugh at ourselves and how important that

921
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: is and how today, yeah, we run the risk of

922
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: we need that lesson again, I should say, I think

923
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: that's for what it's worth. It's really smart to me,

924
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: so thank you, thank you for doing that. You already

925
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: told a little bit of the story. You're you're doing

926
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: Seinfeld and you meet this guy Peter who tells you

927
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: what you're going to start working on on next. Was

928
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: that Bob Patterson?

929
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah.

930
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: By the way, I just want to announce our new podcast,

931
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: which we Lighten Up. Is a new podcast. You'll be

932
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 3: launching it today right after Lighting the Hell Up. Lighting

933
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 3: the Hell Up. Yeah, that was Bob Patterson right to you.

934
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Pete, right right down to the name. Peter

935
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,919
Speaker 1: took me to that breakfast and he said, your next

936
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: show crazy, He said, do you know who Tony Robbins is?

937
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: I said sure. He said, I want to do a

938
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: show where Tony Robbins can't motivate his own family. And

939
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: the guy's name is going to be Bob Patterson and

940
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna be and I went, well, that's not I said,

941
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: that's that's not. I don't think anybody's ever touched that.

942
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: That's really funny. A guy who's made a living telling

943
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: everybody else how to live their lives to improve it.

944
00:52:54,680 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 3: And because we all know the behind closed doors allegedly

945
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 3: that's what's going on, you know. And I'm fascinated by

946
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: the self improvement, that whole movement that somebody says, you know,

947
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,239
Speaker 3: what's going to take you to the next level, what's

948
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 3: going to really make you feel good about yourself and growth?

949
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 3: Walking on hot coals without any shoes for fifteenth ape

950
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: that is the thing that is going to that sweat

951
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: lodge is going to do it. And it's like, you go,

952
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 3: in what world? In what world do they have that formula?

953
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 3: And it's it's fascinating because I never know if it's

954
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 3: about people who want somebody else to do the push

955
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: ups for them, But I just always picture these motivational

956
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: guys at home going.

957
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: Oh, no, we can't get a divorce.

958
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 4: You know what that looks like to me?

959
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 3: I got a book coming out, So we created the

960
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: show Bob Patterson, who what was his slogan, help me,

961
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,760
Speaker 3: help you help me or whatever? Yeah, And then because

962
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: Jason circling Back was so intimidated by William Shantner, I

963
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 3: made William Shantner his nemesis just to watch the two

964
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 3: of them on stage together and watch Jason get to

965
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: act with the legend who launched his career, which was

966
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: stunning to watch.

967
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 4: It was great, very.

968
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 6: True, very true.

969
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: Hit the Road another collaboration. You co created that series

970
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: together as well. Talk to me a little bit about that.

971
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: That was Jason, as we can hear when he plays aggravated.

972
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: There's nobody funnier than that.

973
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

974
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: So I remember in country music because I did country

975
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 3: music for about nine years. I know you're Willie Nelson

976
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: fan and from Texas. I guess you know Pat Green too,

977
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: right the whole Yeah, there you go. Yes, So I

978
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: helped him want to with wa wa.

979
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on a second, Hold on a second, Pat,

980
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 2: How did you know that?

981
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: Because I did country music for nine years and I

982
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: was the Westco station that that supported Wave on Wave

983
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 3: and hung with Pat. Yeah.

984
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 4: Pat Green was a childhood friend, fraternity brother of my

985
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 4: friend in my dorm's brother who I started listening to

986
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 4: Pat Green on the in my dorm room. Outside. Nobody

987
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 4: knew who Pat Green. This is what I mean about

988
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: my underwear. I don't know how you could put the

989
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: cool thing about Pat that we should do now. And

990
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about this if you're a Pat Green fan.

991
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 4: Pat also, so Pat had a hit with Wave on

992
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: Wave with which with a national hit and he did

993
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 4: charity for us. Brad Paisley, who was a friend, played

994
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 4: with him. Whatever I put that together. But Pat, if

995
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 4: you're in Texas, you know Pat because Pat sells out

996
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: and he tours Texas and he played, you know what,

997
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 4: his big passion is golf. He's like an eight handicap,

998
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 4: you close to close to your handicap. So you guy,

999
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 4: if if you love him, you could play eighteen holl

1000
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: And I singing for you, we should go play.

1001
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: I knew him when he was just I mean like literally,

1002
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: like not even the note, Like he just was like

1003
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: my friend's friend. But it was Pat Green And now

1004
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: he's a big.

1005
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 3: Exploded in tex Willie Nelson, you're one, by the way,

1006
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: I was on Willie Downson's bus and it's a combination

1007
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: of a dope den in your grand grandmother's apartment because

1008
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: there's like all these Danish boxes are open, and it's

1009
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: it's really an amazing because he's older, I mean, Moie's

1010
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: older now at this point. But what a what a

1011
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: you've met him, obviously, he's what a character. What an amazing,

1012
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: amazing birthday, amazing ninety Jason. Back to Jason and the

1013
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: bus when he was doing country music. Jamie O'Neill was

1014
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 3: in a family band with her parents, and she used

1015
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 3: to say never always stuck with me that right before

1016
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 3: you go in stages, well score you, I don't care

1017
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 3: about you. One, two, three, I see America singing and

1018
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 3: then you come off stage one dad, and I thought,

1019
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 3: what a great thing that is that you're stuck and

1020
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 3: you know that your kid is doing. You don't want

1021
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: all the stuff you don't want to know that your

1022
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 3: kids are doing you're forced to deal with because you're

1023
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: on a bus traveling across the country and you're not

1024
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 3: doing so well. So all of that and that's why

1025
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: we launched it. And it was originally called Swallow, which

1026
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: was the family of the family name and it takes agard.

1027
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: We said, it's the it's the it's the dysfunctional Partridge family.

1028
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: So we said, what's another bird, and we went, oh, Swallow.

1029
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 1: That's smart enough to realize that's not a good name

1030
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: for a family man.

1031
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 3: And the bus would be defaced all the time, but

1032
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: the network changed it to hit the Road.

1033
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: Okay, are you better work collaborators or friends?

1034
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: There's no difference.

1035
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: I was just going to say that too. There's no

1036
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 3: line as we do this. I love him so honestly, Brian.

1037
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 3: You know the other part of Seinfeld, the other part

1038
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 3: of the Office is, especially in today's world with COVID isolation,

1039
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 3: you got to see friendships that were really and because

1040
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: they spoke like real people spoke. They didn't speak in

1041
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: sitcom set up in punchline, and there was stasis there

1042
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 3: like there's in real life, and there was emotion and

1043
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 3: you could actually play stuff out. It wasn't the old sitcom.

1044
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 3: I think that people connected with that in such a

1045
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: big way, just like they do reality television, which they loved.

1046
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: They just loved. They were immersed in those characters. It

1047
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: becomes part of who you are, touched on just like

1048
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: music is powerful and you remember when that song came out,

1049
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 3: what you're going through. I hear it with the next

1050
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 3: generation for Seinfeld, where they go they're just finding it.

1051
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: When you say what are they finding, They're finding the

1052
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 3: joy of four people who were honest with each other

1053
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: and talked in a way that no sitcom did before.

1054
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 3: And the same with the Office, and then on and

1055
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: on this real thing like independent movies. I think that

1056
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 3: was a huge thing. So Jason and I are pretty

1057
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 3: much off the air on the air, same the same deal.

1058
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: And I'm blessed to have your best friend and be

1059
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 3: able to do to hang like that and I'm forced

1060
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 3: forced to be together.

1061
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool.

1062
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: And you know, honestly, Brian the difference from me and

1063
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out, and I've been trying

1064
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: to figure it out for many, many years. I know

1065
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: this sounds like I'm trying to be cute and I'm not.

1066
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: I never thought of myself as particularly funny, and suddenly

1067
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: I was making a living playing comedy before Seinfeld, even

1068
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: on stage in my Broadway days, I was doing comedy, comedy, comedy, comedy.

1069
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: Unlike many people who sort of thought about comedy all

1070
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: their lives, I didn't create a comedic persona for myself

1071
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: in life prior to having to sort of present that way.

1072
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: So with the podcast is so interesting for me. My

1073
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: sense of humor, for whatever it may be, is informed

1074
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: by the fact I grew up in New Jersey and

1075
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: my dad and all his friends and a bunch of

1076
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: my friends have that sort of Joe Peshy, if I

1077
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: really think you're great and I like you a lot,

1078
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna nudge at you, right, I'm gonna

1079
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: try I'm gonna pick at you like a little like

1080
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: a little chicken. And that is a that I found

1081
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: that to be a real Jersey thing. And so that

1082
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: is the sense of humor I grew up with. And

1083
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: so often it'll become my Oh, I have to be funny.

1084
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: They're expecting Jason to be funny. Let me go to that.

1085
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: And I don't often like the way it comes off,

1086
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, because it's not it's not really who I am.

1087
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 6: Uh.

1088
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: If Peter and I are doing the show, what you're

1089
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: gonna hear from me is picking at Peter, and he'll

1090
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: picking at me. But if you ask me off the show,

1091
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: tell me about Peter Tilden, I go, he has my heart,

1092
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mind, we really do.

1093
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 4: But it's genuine. The picking is genuine.

1094
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, my default is not to go to the sense

1095
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: of humor. So even with the podcast now, in developing

1096
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: our podcast personas has been so interesting because you know,

1097
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: he says, we argue all the time, we discuss all

1098
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: the time, we have different points of view, but on

1099
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: the show we do what we step it up, you know,

1100
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: we go what's your take, what's my take? Let's make

1101
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: sure that you know that we have something. And it's

1102
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: become a really interesting fun thing. But the most laughs

1103
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: we've ever had in our life together outside is when

1104
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: you know he'll be he'll be working on something, we'll

1105
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: be working on a piece of material and he'll he'll

1106
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: start to say something structural and I go, that's not

1107
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: your area. Structure is not your area the structure, and

1108
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: he's like, not my area. I did it. I did

1109
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: a radio show for thirty years. I had four hours

1110
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: to feel all about structure. It's not my area and

1111
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: not your area. What do you what do you ask?

1112
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 3: So when you say is that really ramp it up?

1113
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 3: And then I go, so what's my area? And he'll go,

1114
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: I haven't found it yet. We don't know what you are.

1115
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: For your area.

1116
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 3: It's a great question, Brian, What a great question that was.

1117
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: We've never been I've never thought of that. Is there

1118
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: a line between the work and the friendship thing? And

1119
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 3: he when I heard himself, I was really curious to

1120
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 3: hear his answer because I feel the same way.

1121
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, we we The only difference is we

1122
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: we don't generally lead with there is no bigger heart

1123
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: in the world than Peter Tilden. If he found out

1124
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: you had a charity, or you have a kid, or

1125
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 1: you have somebody in need or you need he's not

1126
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: only going, oh my gosh, that's so sweet. If there's

1127
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: anything I can do. No, no, no, it's not. If

1128
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 1: there's anything I can do, He's going, here's what I

1129
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: can do. I'm going to make a call. I'm gonna

1130
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: do a thing. The heart is stupid. We know that

1131
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: with each other, and that is a big bonding thing

1132
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: between us, but we on air, we would never talk

1133
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: about it.

1134
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 3: Well, that's also the pathetic desire to be loved by everybody.

1135
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 3: I mean the downside, pathetic because you just need that

1136
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 3: much love.

1137
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: Well, uh, your answer is supremely interesting to me. Yeah,

1138
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean our stories are very similar. When I am

1139
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: introduced as a comedian, I feel physically uncomfortable. And I'm

1140
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: not saying that as a joke, Like I feel like

1141
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: I start like having to adjust because it's not It's

1142
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: not how I define myself or see or or see myself.

1143
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 2: I see myself as someone who creates characters and is

1144
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 2: interested in building relationships and characters, not as making people.

1145
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 4: Laugh, but that's what he s expected.

1146
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is your best friend in the business,

1147
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 3: by the way.

1148
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 2: No, no, And in part I'll be honest with you

1149
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: actually now just to share something with you. Not that

1150
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: like every single person is different. But I talked to Pendolette,

1151
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 2: Penn and Teller Pendelette, very smart guy. He tells me

1152
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: they've been together. I'm gonna mess it up now, whatever

1153
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: it is, thirty forty years. They have dinner once a year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

1154
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: they you know, they keep it totally separate.

1155
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1156
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 4: I didn't expect that to be your answer. But that's

1157
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 4: what made me.

1158
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: That's what made me think, you know, there's been a

1159
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: lot of great working well. You know, here's the thing.

1160
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: People assume that Jerry and Michael and Julia and I

1161
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: are the closest social friends. I honest to god, I

1162
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: love them to death, all three of them. If they

1163
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: asked me to walk through a hoop of fire, I

1164
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: do it in a second. We are constantly doing things

1165
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: for each other. But our experience on the show is

1166
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: because of everyone's schedule. We were we were were friends,

1167
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: we weren't really social friends. We didn't write all that

1168
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: often and when the show ended, we didn't have that

1169
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: history of being social friends. So unfortunately, you know, we

1170
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: we chat and see each other very very rarely, and

1171
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: when we do see each other it falls right back together.

1172
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just we sort of have the

1173
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 1: pent Andella relationship of you know, tell you on your

1174
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: birthday and say happy birthday.

1175
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 4: And happy birth yeah exactly.

1176
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: And your success and good luck on this project, and

1177
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I see it.

1178
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about it quite a bit your new

1179
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 2: podcast really no, really, by the way, I don't know

1180
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: how you could listen to the to the two of

1181
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: you together and not want to go deeper into your relationship.

1182
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: This bizarre and awkward, craziest thing that you've learned from

1183
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: a guest so far.

1184
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: Oh, it's one that hasn't aired yet. And in fact,

1185
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 1: you give it away, you tease it, don't give it away.

1186
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: Boiler no, no, no, boiler alert inclusive.

1187
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: He'll blow it, he'll give it away.

1188
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: We may not use it. I think it's important that

1189
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: we share it. Peter introduced me to a guy who

1190
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: was a former white supremacist, and the really, no, really,

1191
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: of why we had him on the air is one

1192
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 1: of the reasons he was compelled to leave the movement

1193
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: is he was a big scient Feld fan. Anyway, these

1194
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: Jews can't be all bat so.

1195
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: The white supremacist.

1196
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: He's a major He was a major voice of a

1197
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 3: brand new movement and had and for many years. And

1198
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 3: when I when I booked him, because I'd known him

1199
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: from radio when I did my radio, He's fascinating, he's articulate,

1200
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: he's smart, really and and the really, you know really

1201
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: was that he left partially because of Seinfold, But the big.

1202
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah we had we were having, you know, a conversation

1203
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: that went funny and went not funny, and but we

1204
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: said to him, tell tell me something about these rank

1205
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 1: and file, you know guys that we see on the street,

1206
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: and we go, these are not good people. You know,

1207
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: these are scary people. I I I I wish I

1208
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to share a world with this kind of energy. Right,

1209
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: What what don't I know about them? That I could

1210
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: see them differently? And without blinking an eye? He said,

1211
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: they're all broken, they all have a trauma. And he said,

1212
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: I will tell you that you will move them far

1213
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: faster and far further by looking at them and saying,

1214
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, what some stuff really must have happened to you.

1215
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it happened to you. And if you can

1216
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,320
Speaker 1: find your way to not shouting at me or hating me,

1217
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 1: maybe we could talk about it sometime. Because you're a

1218
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: human being. I'm a human being, he said, You'll go

1219
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: so much further. In the fact, it was part of

1220
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: his conversion was people who should not have been kind

1221
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: to him. That's what you mean, because what got him

1222
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: into the movement was people being unkind, people taking advantage

1223
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: of him, people not seeing his heart or taking advantage

1224
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: of his heart until it shattered, and then he was

1225
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: susceptible to wanting to feel powerful. And that wasn't like

1226
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 1: the most revelatory thing I ever heard, but to hear

1227
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: it coming from someone who had been through it, and

1228
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: to hear the prescription for the greatest thing you can

1229
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: do to help mend it is to find your compassion

1230
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: for that human being at their very worst. And I

1231
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: thought that that was a huge lesson.

1232
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 3: He said, it's tough because it's counterintuitive for you to

1233
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 3: reach out but know that they're broken. And he said

1234
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 3: everyone that I hated that chipped away at me because

1235
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 3: they were nice to me along the way. It eventually

1236
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 3: wore me down because the kindness is what got me

1237
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: out and mine is a little bit my Oh wow,

1238
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: was recent fascinating astronaut who was in a space station.

1239
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 3: We were talking about space junk. It was really not

1240
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: really are we going to be landlocked in a couple

1241
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 3: of years, because there's so much space hunt that it's glowing,

1242
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: and we got an astronaut to talk about it. And

1243
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 3: I didn't know if space walk was seven hours long

1244
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 3: that your arms are exhausted because you're doing it with

1245
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 3: your arms and if you get untethered, there is a

1246
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: major tether, but it can pull you back really fast

1247
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 3: and you could hit the vehicle and bad stuff out

1248
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,640
Speaker 3: your helmet, brakes, whatever. But the best moment for me

1249
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 3: was he's got something to hydrate himself in his suit

1250
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,880
Speaker 3: so he can sip on it some water. And he said,

1251
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: I'm in my spacewalk, it's is my space walk, and

1252
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 3: I see something really little plastic piece float by my

1253
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: eyeline And at that moment, I realized the tip broke

1254
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 3: off the thing I hidrate with, and I'm going to

1255
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: drown on my helmet while I'm doing a spacewalk. Uh,

1256
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 3: huh right, So he starts stipping, like, can you imagine. Yeah,

1257
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 3: it's one of the little things you have to put

1258
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 3: up with doing his spacewalk, drowning the other helmet.

1259
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: The other part of that, and then I may have Yeah.

1260
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 1: He talks about doing a spacewalk for seven hours with

1261
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: a partner and they go out and they retrieve this

1262
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: piece of a thing that they need. This is like

1263
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: a handle, he said. It looks like a steering wheel,

1264
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: and it's about a half inch of solid aluminum and

1265
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: they've got it under one guy's got it under his

1266
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: arm and they come back in after the whole thing,

1267
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: and they get in the air lock and they hold

1268
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 1: up that piece of material and there's a hole right

1269
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: through it, which meant that some piece of space junk

1270
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: traveling at seventeen five hundred miles per second or per

1271
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: minute passed through that thing that he was holding under

1272
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: his armpit. And he said, they looked at each other

1273
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, if that had hit one

1274
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: of us, done, good night.

1275
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really there's so much that's there's so much

1276
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 3: we find out when you dig deep, you know, you

1277
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 3: start peeling the onion about just living in that space

1278
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: station is insay in weightlessness the entire time. It's the

1279
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: size of a six bedroom house, accept so much bigger

1280
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: because you're using all the all the ilume, the ceiling,

1281
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: the walls, whatever. So but it's bizarre. You got to

1282
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 3: tether yourself to a sleeping bag, and I think Mark

1283
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: Kelly bunged himself so you could feel gravity a little

1284
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 3: bit of gravity and you don't feel your arms, so

1285
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 3: you got like phantom limbs going and your eyes change shape,

1286
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 3: so your visions are bizarre.

1287
01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: Wow.

1288
01:10:55,040 --> 01:11:01,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, really no, really airs weakly on Tuesdays the same

1289
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: day as get your off the beat and really no,

1290
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 2: really double let's do a double.

1291
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,439
Speaker 1: Do milk and a cookie, A milk and a cookie.

1292
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 4: I'll be whatever you don't want to be.

1293
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 6: Uh.

1294
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: You can listen on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcast. Guys,

1295
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate both

1296
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 2: of you so much getting to know you both better.

1297
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, this is wonderful. You have an idea for

1298
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 2: the two of us. You give me a call.

1299
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 6: You got it.

1300
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 3: I'm halfway there already. It's called lighting up.

1301
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 4: It's working. Thanks for being so gracious.

1302
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: Thanks you guys, Jason Peter, thank you so much for

1303
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: joining me today.

1304
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 4: That was that was a lot of fun.

1305
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: And look your podcast, I mean a podcast that somehow

1306
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:10,679
Speaker 2: both breaches space and finds humanity in the worst of us. Guys,

1307
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm all ears. Congratulations on that. Listeners, We're gonna see

1308
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: you next week for another episode. We're gonna have another

1309
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: one of your favorite people on the podcast. I mean,

1310
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: besides me, We're gonna have me and then also someone

1311
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: else that you love equally as much.

1312
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,640
Speaker 3: I know who it is.

1313
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 2: And you know what I'm not telling. Nope, I am

1314
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 2: not telling. But come back and join us. We're gonna

1315
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: tell some stories. We're gonna have some laughs, we're gonna

1316
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 2: learn a little bit, and who knows, I might even cry.

1317
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 4: We'll talk to you then.

1318
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 2: Off the Beat is hosted and executive produced by me

1319
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Ling Lee. Our senior

1320
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: producer is Diego Tapia. Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris,

1321
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: and Emily Carr. Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary,

1322
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: and our intern is Sammy Katz. Our theme song Bubble

1323
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: and Squeak, performed by the one and only Creed Bretton,