1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: And then there were two. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Danny Surrek joins me before she has the Pro Bowl, 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: which we will discuss. Forty nine Ers Chiefs. They'll meet 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: again in the Super Bowl. How do we feel about 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: the matchup? How do we feel about the forty nine 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: ers being in the game. Also, there is some early 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: buzz the Cardinals will be a playoff team in twenty 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: twenty four. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode seven, twenty three, 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 10 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: Bud to Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable. 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: dot com Slash podcasts. 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again? 16 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: So far Harry Magic. 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: Whow Here's Craig Griolud. 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: So I just found out before we hit record on 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai product 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. Not only is Budda Baker 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: headed to the Pro Bowl, but Danny Sirek is headed 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. Congratulations. 23 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: Thank you. That's why I'm recording on a Monday rather 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: than my normal Wednesday, as we were trying to be careful. 25 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 3: I don't know what day I was going to leave 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: quite yet, so just to be safe, I took over 27 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: Paul's day without even asking if it was okay with him. 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: We don't need to ask Paul for his permission for anything. 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: So this is your second Pro Bowl selection. 30 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: Thank you. 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Ache more than myself getting closer to Ron wolf Lee's 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: coveted four that he always talks about all the time. 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: So you're halfway there. 34 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: I've done less than half of the work that wolf 35 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: has done, but somehow I've managed to get my second 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: Pro Bowl nod. 37 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: The Pro Bowl is on Sunday, February fourth in Orlando. 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: First time we look this up, first time since twenty 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: twenty because when you went the first time it was 40 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 3: Right two years ago. So after the twenty twenty one season. Gosh, 42 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: we had like five or six players that went that year, 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: so that was a fun one, and then didn't go 44 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 3: last year because the Cardinals didn't have anybody. And now 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: we're going with Buddha Baker to Orlando. So I gosh. 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 3: I haven't been to Orlando since I was like, probably 47 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: five years old whatever. My family last went to Disney World, 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: So I'm excited for this, a little bit of a different, 49 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: little change of scenery. 50 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: Now, the skills competition is on Thursday, the game is 51 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: on Sunday. It kind of gives you that weekend without football, 52 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: at least without the Super Bowl. But I'm curious. I 53 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: had this conversation with Darren Norman. He kind of shot 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: me down, which he typically does, but could there be 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: a teammate of Buddha's who joins him in Orlando? Based 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: off the fact that George Kittle headed to the Super Bowl. 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: He's the Pro Bowl starter for the NFC at the 58 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: tight end position. Samuelaporta made the team as well. The 59 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: Lions just got eliminated. He's been banged up. I think 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: there's a possibility Trey McBride gets that tap on his shoulder. 61 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 3: Wasn't the alternates list already set? Though? 62 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: I had not seen that list. Typically the Cardinals do 63 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: announce when they announced a Pro Bowl player, they'll say 64 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: the alternates as well. But I was looking TJ Hockinson. 65 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: He needs knee surgery. Cole Kmett would be the only 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: other one as far as looking at the stats, he 67 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: has McBride beat as far as touchdowns, but McBride has 68 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: more catches, he has more receiving yards. So and then 69 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: again you're looking for one replacement because that's Kittle. And 70 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: if you're Sam Laporta, do you want to go to 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Orlando coming off the loss in the NFC Championship game, Rickie, 72 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. 73 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: I'm not sure if how I guess logistically that works 74 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 3: of like alternates and if you're not on the alternate list, 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: but the lead runs out of players at that position. 76 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: Trey McBride absolutely earned a Pro Bowl not I also 77 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 3: think like safety Jalen Thompson had a really good year 78 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: despite missing four games. What running back James Connor was 79 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 3: able to produce this year? There were a couple of 80 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: Cardinals players that I was surprised didn't make the Pro Bowl. 81 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: I guess I shouldn't say that because typically when a 82 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: team only has four wins, you don't send a lot 83 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: of players to the Pro Bowl. They don't get a 84 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: lot of votes. But alternates, I was surprised about if 85 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 3: it works out that way and the league needs somebody 86 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: especially at tight end. McBride absolutely would make sense. I 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: don't know what he's got planned. I think the personality 88 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 3: that he has, and you know, the joy that he brings, 89 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 3: I would think he would want to go to Orlando 90 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: and experience that Pro Bowl. I guess the silver lining 91 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 3: is what we saw from McBride, and that was not 92 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 3: even starting for the first what five or six games, 93 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 3: when zach Ertz was still a Cardinal and still you're 94 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 3: starting tight end. I believe that Trey McBride has got 95 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: a couple Pro Bowl nods ahead of him. If he 96 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: continues to play the way that he did this. 97 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: Year, he's on the right track. And again, sometimes it 98 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: takes a year before you get that selection from fans, 99 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: your peers. You got to show up on the radar first, 100 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: and I don't know if McBride has shown up on 101 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: the radar outside of Arizona and Cardinals fans. But this 102 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: is the week. Over the next couple of days, guys 103 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: will tap out of this game, whether because they're playing 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, which automatically eliminates them from consideration. 105 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: And then okay, there's the injuries, whether you're rehabbing or 106 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: you need something done I E. TJ. Hockinson or and 107 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: again it's well, do I really want to go to Orlando? 108 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: Is it a destination city like Las Vegas is for 109 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: so many like Hawaii was for so many players back 110 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: when Ron Wolfley was playing it. Okay, wasn't that long ago. 111 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: But I don't know. I'm just I'm curious if it's 112 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: a I think it's a possibility. I just wonder over 113 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: the next three four days how many different names we 114 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: hear of players being added to the game because of 115 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: one reason or another. 116 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: It's so it's funny to think about the differences of 117 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 3: a Las Vegas Pro Bowl and in Orlando Florida Pro Bowl. 118 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 3: This is definitely more family friendly. Know that the players, 119 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: they all get to go to Disney World one day. 120 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 3: I think they shut down the park and they get 121 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 3: to kind of experience that with their families. Look, I 122 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: want to play a player if they don't really have 123 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: a desire to go to Florida. To be honest, I 124 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: might beget a little personal about how I feel about 125 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: Florida and the humidity and all those things. But I 126 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: also could see players wanting to go. Someone like a 127 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Sam Laporta as a rookie and wanting to get that experience. 128 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: They also get paid. Can't forget that crack. 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: That's right. There is a payday with it as well, 130 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: and I think a bonus for winning some of these 131 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: activities and winning the put game in quotation marks, it's 132 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: a flag football game. It's not a lot of heavy 133 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: hitting or anything like that. I don't know, I'm just 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: I was just wondering. And of course, again Darren shot 135 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: me down, which typically does and maybe I'm completely off 136 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: base here. I just wonder based off the fact that 137 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: Kittle can't play Laporta just play the game. Wasn't even 138 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: sure he was gonna be able to play in the playoff. 139 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: So and I do think McBride is worthy of consideration 140 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: at least the talk here as you and I speak 141 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: on Cardinals cover two. 142 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: Absolutely I would agree with that. I'm also kind of 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: excited to see how the Pro Bowls shake out. There's 144 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: just so much talk, understandably so, of people not loving 145 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: the actual football game that the Pro Bowl has been 146 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: for many years, despite it still getting pretty good ratings, 147 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: which is a little surprising because I don't feel like 148 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: there's any positivity online about that game. So I like 149 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: the fact that the league has been listening and they're 150 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: kind of trying to change things up a little bit. 151 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: I think that'll be fun to see. 152 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Fans always like to see players, their favorite players kind 153 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: of out of their element a little bit, especially with 154 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: the skills competition, and then just the banter back and 155 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: forth during that flag football game, because it's a lot 156 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: of talk versus a lot of action, until again late 157 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: in the game and all of a sudden, people realize, 158 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: wait a second, if we win this, there's a potential 159 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: of an MVP and a bonus there, and then winning 160 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the game, which is more money my pocket and to 161 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: pay for all the things that we might have done 162 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: in the days leading up to the game itself. So 163 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: I just yeah, it's not what it once was, but 164 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: I do think it's getting a little bit better. It's easy. 165 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: It's an easier watch than when guys were in full 166 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: pads and going quarter speed. 167 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: Agreed, Are the Manning brothers coaching again? Yeah, that was 168 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: so fun to see. 169 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: Life Hayton's doing the AFC, Eli's doing the NFC based. 170 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 3: Off the Froncos and right, they make that fun. 171 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So congratulations again, Danny shrek headed to her second Pro. 172 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: Bowl should be fun. I'm excited. 173 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: That is Sunday, February fourth, and then again the following 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: week from that, Sunday, February eleventh, we've got Super Bowl 175 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: fifty eight. We mentioned George Kittle headed to the Super Bowl. 176 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: Sam Laporta is not. That is because the Lions blew 177 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: a seventeen point lead. So how do we feel about 178 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers in the big game taking on 179 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: the Chiefs. We can get to that later, but just 180 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. 181 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: Forty nine ersce again, I can understand people being excited 182 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: about just how the forty nine ers where everybody was 183 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: getting hurt was that last year, two years ago, last year, 184 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: last year? Right, that's what we're brock party, right, of 185 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: which I kind of liked that storyline, I guess of 186 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: people saying, look, they found their way back here again, 187 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 3: and now they're getting a chance in the Super Bowl 188 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: that fair or not they didn't get last year. I 189 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: think it's in a different way than the Chiefs. Impressive. 190 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: The forty nine ers seemed to be consistent in this 191 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 3: and bringing over running back Christian McCaffrey, who was good 192 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,719 Speaker 3: in Carolina doesn't even seem like the same player as 193 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: he is in San Francisco. It's incredible what he does. 194 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: You have to respect that, and that was something that 195 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: Lions head coached Dan Campbell even talked about after their losses, 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: telling his players the reality that it'll be twice as 197 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: hard for Detroit to get to that same spot the 198 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 3: NSC championship next year, even if they keep a lot 199 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: of the same team. It is not easy to do that. 200 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: And the forty nine ers being able to do that 201 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: is impressive, coming back from that deficit where Detroit came 202 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: out hot and they were just slicing up San Francisco 203 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: and to stay true to who they are and not 204 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: get shaken by that was impressive. The ricochet catch by 205 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: Asu seeing alum, did he graduate, Brandon Ayuk? Yes, okay 206 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: Asu Alum, Brandon Ayuk, thank you for teaching me that, 207 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: Darren Urban. That was crazy. That catch. It reminded me 208 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: which didn't pan out well for the Cardinals. It reminded 209 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: me of the game in Cleveland where that pass ricocheted 210 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: off Dante's Still's helmet and was Amari Cooper something like 211 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: happened to be in the perfect spot in the end 212 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 3: zone and they caught a touchdown. That's what it was. 213 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: Just crazy the way that worked out for IU. 214 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: There. 215 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan. Put it this way. I 216 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: was rooting for the Lions. 217 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: No storyline is great. 218 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: It's a great storyline. And two, I just I don't 219 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: buy into or follow the trend of well, yeah, they're 220 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: in your division, so you want your division to do well. 221 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: You lost them twice, or you split with them, or 222 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: you beat them. Hey, we beat the team that eventually 223 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,599 Speaker 1: goes to the Super Bowl wins the whole thing. I 224 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: don't get into that. I don't like seeing the forty 225 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: nine ers win. I'm not going to like seeing the 226 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: forty nine ers play in the Super Bowl. Great team, 227 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: but I'm sorry, I don't want to see the forty 228 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: nine ers the Rams or the SEAHAWKSI. 229 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 3: Well, I think that's fair. I'm right there with you. 230 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't make me feel any better if I'm a 231 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: Cardinals fan to say that I lost both games to 232 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: the division rival who went on to play or win 233 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. Absolutely right there with you. An interesting 234 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 3: thought when I was watching the game was I was 235 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 3: talking to a friend about want she wanted the forty 236 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: nine ers to win because she thought the forty nine 237 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: Ers have a better chance of beating the Chiefs. And 238 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 3: that was the thought process, which was interesting of between 239 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 3: the two teams. Wanted Detroit to win and the Lions 240 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: and the storyline that's there, but think in long term, 241 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 3: knowing that Kansas City had already won, and not wanting 242 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 3: to see pagic Mahomes get another ring. She wanted the 243 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: forty nine Ers to win for that reason. 244 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 1: So Chiefs fatigue, which is a very real thing. We 245 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:32,239 Speaker 1: discussed it's a week ago with Paul. He has Chiefs fatigue. 246 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Their fourth trip in five years. They beat the Ravens 247 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: seventeen to ten. I don't have Chiefs fatigue. I find 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: them very fun to watch and that defense more so 249 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: than any other of their trips to the Super Bowl. 250 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: Their defense has carried the Chiefs into this playoff run 251 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: and into the super Bowl once again as they look 252 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: to go back to back. So I don't it didn't 253 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: matter either way, Chiefs or Ravens. Maybe some new blood 254 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: see the Ravens play the lines. But I don't have 255 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: Chiefs fatigue. I enjoy watching Andy Reid on the sideline. 256 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is fun to watch. They've got a great team, 257 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: great defense. I love a Chris Jones on the Cardinals 258 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: defensive line. They're hard to find, but I think that 259 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: is a big piece missing from this Cardinals defense. So 260 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm okay with the Chiefs winning. I'm not okay with 261 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers winning. 262 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: I don't have full on Chiefs fatigue. I can see 263 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 3: how people are starting to feel that way, similarly to 264 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: how people felt with the Patriots in their heyday with 265 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: Tom Brady. I think if you're looking at comparing those two, 266 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: the Chiefs are a lot more likable. They feel more 267 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: almost like blue collar in a sense, compared to the Patriots. 268 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is very fun to watch. What Andy Reid 269 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: has done, especially with their offense and their lack of 270 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: true weapons compared to what they have in the past, 271 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 3: with the exception of Travis Kelce, has been impressive. What 272 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: they've done. I don't know that I necessarily want to 273 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 3: see them get another ring, but I don't necessarily want 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: to see the forty nine Ers hoist the Lombardi, So 275 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: it's kind of I don't really think I'm cheering one 276 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 3: way or the other. I am the kind of person 277 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 3: where I like a rivalry. I like seeing players get 278 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: a little chippy with each other. I like seeing that passion. 279 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: I like seeing two fit not fan bases in terms 280 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: of the fans, but teams, whether or not they're in 281 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: the same division, having a little bad blood. I don't 282 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 3: particularly love seeing egos come out talking about pregame with 283 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 3: what Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey were doing with kicker 284 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: Justin Tucker in Baltimore where he probably warms up in 285 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: the same spot of that field every week, and Travis 286 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes kicking away his holder and moving 287 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: his football and Travis Kelsey row in his helmet. To me, 288 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: that that's the part where if you're talking about any 289 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: sort of cheese fatigue, which yes, they have earned it 290 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: because they have been so good in this what five 291 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: or six years. I'm not saying you don't deserve to 292 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 3: be confident and you don't deserve that, but at the 293 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: same time, I feel like there's a fine line of 294 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 3: like you have some bad blah whatever, like you're playing 295 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: in a big game like that. To me, to see 296 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: that from Travis Kelsey and Patrick Maholmes just makes me 297 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: not like the Chiefs as much. 298 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: That particular incident, I guess we can call it refer 299 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: to it pregame because I saw the tweets and I 300 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: was like, wow. I thought it was a parody at first, 301 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: and then I saw the video and it wasn't a throw. 302 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: It was a toss because a throw is overhand my definition, 303 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: throw overhand and then a toss and all the while 304 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: justin Tucker smiling, he had his big grin on his face. 305 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: And it's funny because I had this conversation with someone else. 306 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: The media, fans all over the Chiefs, what are you doing? 307 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: Current and former on social media say no, no, the 308 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Ravens kickers do this all the time. They warm up 309 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 1: on the opposing team's side. They do it on purpose 310 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: to try to get under people's skinned. This should not happen. 311 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: You should not be warming up on the other team's side. 312 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: But kickers do it all the time. Spin off for years, 313 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: I know. But at some point when your quarterback is 314 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: warming up, okay, picture Kyler Murray there, would you not 315 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: want Trey McBride or someone else to eliminate the kicking 316 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: tea or a football so your quarterback doesn't get hurt 317 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: accidentally steps on something turns it in. Look, yeah, I'm 318 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: exaggerating here, but I have no problem whatsoever with what 319 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: happened pregame. Zero problem. In fact, I found it funny. 320 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: I don't wouldn't go so far as say I have 321 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: a problem. It's more like it just kind of comes 322 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 3: off pretty ego for those chief because it's the Chiefs, 323 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: and because it's those two players. 324 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: Specifically, so there is a little she's fatigue for Danny 325 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: a litt all. 326 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: Look, I'm not entirely fatigue because I can at least 327 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 3: objectively appreciate what they've done over these last couple of years, 328 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 3: and having done so when they're having to change pieces 329 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: in the pretty much every off season, of losing somebody 330 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: on offense, somebody on defense that before had played a 331 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 3: major role for them, and that's impressive what they've been 332 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 3: able to do. I think back of when you're talking 333 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 3: about the fatigue too of the game where the Chiefs were, 334 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: who was it that wasn't lined up correctly? Was that 335 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: it wasn't Abs, it was Kadarius Tony, right, and then 336 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 3: it's Patrick Mahomes has shaking Josh Allen's hand at the 337 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 3: end and not even like being like, no, sportsmanship, just 338 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: like complaining as if Josh Allen is gonna do anything 339 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: about it or sit there and say, yeah, you're right, 340 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 3: like you guys deserve to win, not like it's those 341 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: kinds of things where I don't know, I just feel 342 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: like it's kind of new this year to see that 343 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: from Patrick Mahomes, and it's it's a fine line of 344 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: again they've earned that, especially Mahomes, of how good he 345 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: has been, how special he is going to be already 346 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: is one of the greatest. It's just I can absolutely 347 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: understand why people might feel a little fatigued. 348 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: So now you're gonna have two weeks less than two 349 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: weeks here before the super Bowl. And on the forty 350 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: nine Ers side, it's can they do what they were 351 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: not able to do the last time the forty nine 352 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: Ers and Chiefs met back four years ago, and that 353 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,640 Speaker 1: is can the forty nine Ers beat the Chiefs. You've 354 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: got the storyline, mister irrelevant brock Party going up against 355 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: a first round draft pick in Patrick Mahomes, who was 356 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: not a top ten pick, but he was a top 357 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: fifteen selection. And then yes, there's going to be two 358 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: weeks of talk between your favorite couple in the National 359 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: Football League, Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift. It's already started. 360 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: I have started pringame it. 361 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 3: Did you know what, Craig? I actually there was a 362 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: video like afterwards. There were two videos, one of Taylor 363 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 3: Swift on the field post game and they're like hugging 364 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 3: and celebrate, and then there's another where post came after 365 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: the Chiefs won. Taylor Swift is walking in a tunnel 366 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 3: and someone's recording like some woman yelling at her how 367 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 3: she's ruining football, and she just very calmly says I 368 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: didn't do anything. I actually told a friend, I was like, 369 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 3: I like that one. I like that she's kind of 370 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: standing at not like yelling back, but it's kind of 371 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: like taking a stand in two. I thought it was 372 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: pretty cute them celebrating on the field. I'm not anti 373 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift. It is exciting. It's funny the way that 374 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 3: people or companies are kind of taking advantage of this, 375 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 3: like in airlines adding a direct flight from Kansas City 376 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: to Vegas and the flight numbers being eighty seven for 377 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 3: Travis Kelson, the other one being nineteen eighty nine for 378 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 3: her album. The fact that people were already tracking I 379 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: guess Taylor Swift is resuming her airs tour Oh Yeah Tokyo, Japan. 380 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: And four nights starting on Wednesday. 381 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 3: But by the time the final show was supposed to end, 382 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 3: she should have just enough time to fly back with 383 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: about twenty four hours before kickoff in Vegas. You know what, 384 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: that's exciting if they I've said that along, it's exciting 385 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 3: if they are happy together. I would It seems like 386 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey, this is not his first rodeo going through 387 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, so I'm sure that kind of changed 388 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: that a little. But don't you kind of feel like 389 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 3: the tension should be on him and not so much 390 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: on Tap. And that's not to take away what she's 391 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: done is incredible as an artist, and I get it right, 392 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 3: She's a big name and people want to celebrate, you know, 393 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: the All American athlete and the pop star and their 394 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: relationship and all of that. I'm not against that at all. 395 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: It is still a lot right of a lot of. 396 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: I don't find that much least I only saw. 397 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm not talking about I'm talking about Yeah, I'm talking 398 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: about more. When I say a lot, I mean like online, 399 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 3: like the tweets I have, I have no problem showing 400 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift in a suite celebrating, like I had no 401 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: problem seeing Jason Kelcey take a shirt off and jump 402 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: out the suite in Buffalo and beers with Bill's Mafia, 403 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 3: like I have no problem during cutaways of showing a 404 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: family member celebrating like I personally, if you are simply 405 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 3: rooting against the Chiefs for the sole fact that Taylor 406 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 3: Swift is dating Travis kelce like, get over yourself. 407 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't understand that line of thinking. 408 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: They hardly even show her. 409 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: It should not take away what happens between the lines. 410 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: And yeah, it's going to be a topic, But how 411 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: about a bigger topic the fact that Travis Kelcey, who 412 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: many people believed had not stopped playing but was over 413 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: the hill and had regressed, He's helped carry this Chiefs 414 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: offense here in this three game playoff run. Not comparing 415 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: too much, but it reminds me a little bit of 416 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: what Larry Fitzgerald did during that Super Bowl run, where 417 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's that quarterback and pass catcher, 418 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have that with some 419 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: good protection on an offensive line and a decent defense. Yeah, 420 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: a team can make a playoff run. Wasn't a very 421 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: good Chiefs team during the regular season, but it's who 422 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: gets hot at the right time. Chiefs have gotten hot. 423 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: They figured things out, and yeah, I think the super 424 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: Bowl again, we've got plenty of time to discuss it. 425 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 1: But I do expect this game to be an exciting 426 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: one and maybe not too betch different than that first 427 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: meeting as far as a back and forth and maybe 428 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: one team gets ahead and then the other team comes back, 429 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: but and it comes down to a play late, a 430 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: couple plays late in the fourth quarter. 431 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 3: You're right, it's about when you get hot, that momentum, 432 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: when you get rolling, when you have and you continue 433 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 3: to resign and pay a player like Travis Kelcey, you 434 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: do it for moments like this where even if it 435 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 3: wasn't a great regular season, he is stepping up in 436 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 3: the moments that he needs to. And even if it's 437 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 3: not really clicking with Patrick Mahomes and his wide receivers, 438 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: it's clicking with Travis kelce and he's able to find 439 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 3: a way to get open or win those contested throws 440 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 3: and be an impact player. That's what you want, that's 441 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: what you need from a veteran like Kelsey. So even 442 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: if he didn't have or the Chiefs offense, Chiefs team 443 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 3: as a whole didn't have a great regular season, this 444 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 3: is when it counts. This is when it is most important, 445 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: and he is stepping up. I think about that throw 446 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 3: where Mahomes was he was falling. I don't remeber if 447 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: it's forward or backward, but he just kind of chucked 448 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 3: the ball up. And the way that Kelsey extended like 449 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 3: it was so fast, The way he just extended his 450 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 3: body and brought that ball and as he was falling, 451 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 3: those are the moments where you can tell, like that chemistry, 452 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: that connection, that trust is so important, and that play 453 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: is a great example as to why you continue to 454 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 3: bring back a player like Travis Kelce for your quarterback. 455 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's bring this conversation full circle on how 456 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: we began talking about someone potentially could be in that 457 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: position maybe next year, a couple of years from now. 458 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: Trey McBride. The chemistry between quarterback and the safety blankets, 459 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: your face, verts target, and the tight end position. I 460 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: do think during this four games, during the divisional round 461 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: and the conference championship Sunday, the tight end and the 462 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: importance of that position. Just look around at the teams 463 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: that were remaining the final eight, if you will, and 464 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: the reliance on a tight end, because none of these 465 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: teams have that number one wide receiver that we talk 466 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: about all the time, you relying on I wouldn't say 467 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: lesser players, but there is a difference when people talk 468 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: about the wide receiver position versus the tight end position. 469 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: But it does bude well, I think because we saw 470 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: it late this past season for the Cardinals, Kyler Murray 471 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: trusting a young tight end, and now those two can 472 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: grow move forward within this offense to where perhaps it's 473 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and Trey McBride being talked about much like 474 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: a Patrick homes and at Travis Kelsey, just not comparing 475 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: the players, but just the position that they're in as 476 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: far as quarterback and tied end, hopefully one day leading 477 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals on a playoff run. 478 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 3: I can absolutely see that being the future between those 479 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 3: two and from what we saw where again, Trey McBride 480 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: was not your starter for the first couple of weeks 481 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 3: and Kyler Murray wasn't even playing for a couple of weeks. 482 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 3: After McBride really started playing as your number one tight 483 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: end because zach Ertz got hurt and it took a 484 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 3: little bit when Murray got back onto the field. But 485 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 3: looking at the numbers, once Murray did return, McBride led 486 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 3: tight ends around the league in a handful of categories. 487 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: It's very impressive what they were able to do together. 488 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 3: It's very clear that Murray trusts McBride and that those 489 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,239 Speaker 3: moments are clear when Murray threw a few interceptions that 490 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: were intended for McBride two or three I believe off 491 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 3: the top of my head this year, and Murray continued 492 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: to throw the ball to McBride after that. The first 493 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 3: game that happened, Murray took a little bit of time 494 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 3: before he found Tray McBride, which I know we were 495 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: all worried at that point because that was when McBride 496 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: ended up surpassing one hundred receiving yards I believe for 497 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: the first time this season. But moving forward, you could 498 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: see that trust because despite a mistake or a lapse 499 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: in communication or a route that was being run, Murray 500 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:25,399 Speaker 3: continued to find McBride, and that trust really did grow. 501 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,959 Speaker 3: I think that's what McBride needed. He didn't have a 502 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 3: lot of opportunities his rookieyear, and when he did, I'm 503 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 3: not sure it was in the best situations of not 504 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 3: necessarily coaching from him, coaching to McBride personally, but just 505 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 3: the offense as a whole and then playing from behind it. 506 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: But this year you could really tell the confidence in 507 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: himself and an understanding this new offense really grew with McBride. 508 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 3: And what stood out is when the wide receivers we're 509 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 3: not producing, we're not producing on a consistent level. It 510 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 3: was Trey McBride that was kind of similar to the Chiefs. 511 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 1: Remember Week eight is kind of when all of this happened, 512 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: when zach Ertz gets hurt and all of a sudden, 513 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: McBride sees his playing time increase. So without really a 514 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: full season as tight end one, McBride still tied for 515 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: fifth in NFL among tight end in receptions and seventh 516 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: in receiving yards without a full season. So I'm very 517 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: encouraged just by those two pieces moving forward, and then 518 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: of course you build upon it, and it takes more 519 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: than just two players to make an extended playoff run. 520 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: But I do think of your Cardinals and Cardinals fans, 521 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: you have to be encouraged by what you saw on 522 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: the field, either on the road or at State Farm Stadium, 523 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: and then see how tight ends were used here during 524 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: this playoff push around not only the NFC, but the 525 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: AFC as well. It was tight ends that people were 526 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: talking about more so than the wide receiver slash running back. 527 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: And those numbers talking about McBride, that was his season 528 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 3: numbers once Kyler Murray came back, so after week ten, 529 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: McBride was at the top of those lists, just from 530 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 3: week ten on when he had Kyler Murray. I do 531 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: like what we saw from this offense and from this 532 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: staff of how they utilized tight ends. I liked what 533 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: we saw from Jeff Swam as your main blocking tight 534 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: end and Elijah Higgins, who was a receiver in college 535 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: and then moved over to the tight end position this year, 536 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,239 Speaker 3: and I think that we saw some good things from 537 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: him near the back end of the season of not 538 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: just blocking but also as a receiver. Again, there were 539 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 3: a couple of weeks where the Cardinals wide receivers were 540 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: mia and it was mostly McBride, but Higgins and Swam 541 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: and other tight ends were still stepping up and that 542 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: was important as well. And of course the running backs 543 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: you know, James Connor, have to give him credit and 544 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 3: Mary de Mercado coming out the backfield as receivers. 545 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, need James Connor to do what he did this 546 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: past season here in twenty twenty four to get the 547 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals into the playoffs. And not sure how many noticed this, 548 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: but last week there was a list of predictions that 549 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: ran on ESPN Effects Specifically, Jeremy Fowler, the senior NFL 550 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: national reporter, had different storylines, predictions, and one of those storylines, 551 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: based off what he had been hearing around the league, 552 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: whether it was league executive, scouts or other personnel figures, 553 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 1: the Cardinals will make a playoff run in twenty twenty 554 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: four one of his eight early season offseason storylines, and 555 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: there were a couple of quotes from an NFL offensive 556 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: coach and an AFC scout. But bottom line, it goes 557 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: back to, yeah, you go from four wins to where 558 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: you need maybe nine, ten wins. It's a big jump, 559 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: but it's maybe not that big of a jump based 560 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: off what you do in the offseason, adding pieces And 561 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: then going back to how well the Cardinals played talent 562 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: deficient but still played all sixty minutes and hung in 563 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: the with playoff teams, beating playoff teams the Eagles, the Steelers, 564 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: and then that never give up attitude that came from 565 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 1: the head coach and filtered into that locker room, and. 566 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: You're gonna have a full season with your franchise quarterback. 567 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: That's the other big difference. Absolutely, it will matter how 568 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 3: this front office drafts and how they approach free agency. 569 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: There are a lot of deficits on this roster. Talking 570 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: about you getting the most out of those players, the rookies, 571 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: the undrafted free agents. It will be important the pieces 572 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: they add. The foundation is there, though, in terms of 573 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: the culture and the type of passion and attitude and 574 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 3: intelligence that Jonathan Gannon wants his players playing with. Even 575 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 3: if it makes me sound like a home where I 576 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 3: don't really care, I think it is realistic to say 577 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: that the Cardinals can make a playoff push in the 578 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season, coming off a four win season. 579 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: What they were able to put out on tape, the 580 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: types of teams that they beat, there were a lot 581 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 3: of moments where the Cardinals looked really good. And if 582 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 3: you can find the right pieces now, you're not going 583 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: to be able to put five star starters in all 584 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: of the key spots you need to improve and upgrade 585 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 3: this year. I'm talking about spots on the offensive line, 586 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 3: wide receiver, defensive line, pass rusher, and cornerback. That's just 587 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: not realistic. If you can find the right pieces though, 588 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: the right combinations of your draft picks and veteran free agents, 589 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: the right type of players who have also the right 590 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: type of mindset or leadership style, you can really do 591 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 3: something here. The foundation has been set, like I really 592 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 3: do see that as a realistic possibility that the Cardinals 593 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 3: can make a playoff push. In order to get there, 594 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 3: you have to be competitive and you have to be 595 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: more dominant in your division, and that's the first hurdle 596 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: that Arizona has to overcome. 597 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: Here's in this ESPN article written by Jeremy Fowler, the 598 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: quote from the AFC scout. If they add some vet 599 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: pieces in free agency, they can surprise some people. Kyler 600 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: Murray will be better with a full year coming off 601 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: the ACL tear end of quote, which is exactly what 602 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: you said as far as adding talent and then a 603 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: full off season to where Kyler doesn't have to think, worry, 604 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: concern himself with rehabbing anything outside of just your normal 605 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: bumps and bruises and getting your body ready for a 606 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: seventeen game regular season. But just focus on the x's 607 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: and o's and that chemistry with the offensive line and then. 608 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 3: His pass catchers, not only just Kyler Murray not being 609 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 3: a rookie for a full off season with wide receiver 610 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson, that connection is so important and was a 611 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: little too finicky for my liking. Now Wilson wasn't fully 612 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 3: healthy the back half of the season. Once Murray returned, 613 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: you need to have a stronger, more consistent connection with 614 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 3: your big wide receiver if you are Kyler Murray. I 615 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: also am excited to see what a full offseason does 616 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: for outside linebacker b jo Jalari, a rookie who didn't 617 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 3: have that first off season going into his first year 618 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: in the league because he was rehabbing. I think when 619 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 3: you're looking at the cornerback position, somebody like Starling Thomas, 620 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: who the Cardinals got off the waiver lists right before 621 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 3: the regular season started, If that's somebody that you think 622 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 3: can be one of your starting cornerbacks and maybe you 623 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 3: bring in a veteran opposite of him, right, there's absolutely 624 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: having that full off season for Kyler Murray not having 625 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: to rehab, really understanding this offense to the point where 626 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 3: he isn't thinking and it feels natural is important. But 627 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: I think there's also a handful of other younger players 628 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 3: where they having this full offseason will also be incredibly 629 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 3: beneficial for them. And hopefully you see that leap going 630 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: into your two. 631 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: I know Jonathan Gannon said that he tears everything down 632 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: and starts over from scratch. To a certain extent, I 633 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: get it. But the basic principles what you want to 634 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: do on offense and defense and what you know worked 635 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: based off that eight game sample size in which you 636 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: did have Kyler as your quarterback. That's not going to change. 637 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: And it's not gonna be new for everyone who walks 638 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,839 Speaker 1: into this belting. It's not gonna be Kayser White coming 639 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: in and say, all right, this is what this defense 640 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: looks like and should do. It's now based off how 641 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: many guys that are coming back. Now it's fifteen players defensively, 642 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: maybe more, maybe less, but you're gonna have more than 643 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: just one or two guys that are familiar with what 644 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: Drew Petsing and Nick Rolis like to do on either 645 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: side of the ball. So may there'll be some tweaks, 646 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: but you're not starting from scratch. That was twenty twenty three, 647 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Now, I do think there has to 648 00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:02,040 Speaker 1: be an expectation of making playing meaningful football late December 649 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: early January, if not to secure a place in your seating, 650 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: but be in that conversation, be in the hunts, be 651 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: on that graphic that says Arizona Cardinals in the hunt 652 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: if not better going into next season. 653 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 3: I think that's realistic from what we saw once Murray 654 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 3: got comfortable in this offense, and what we saw from 655 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 3: this team late in the season in terms of how 656 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 3: competitive they were and staying in the games, there were 657 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 3: still moments where you could tell the personnel was hurting 658 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 3: them or maybe some of those self inflicting wounds. It 659 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 3: kind of felt like near the last game or two 660 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: penalties where all of a sudden a problem where like, really, 661 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 3: I felt like that wasn't the case unless you go 662 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 3: back to the beginning of the season, like weeks one 663 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 3: and two. I'm thinking like Washington, where it was all 664 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 3: over the place. So there are still moments where you think, okay, 665 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 3: you can see where the room for growth is but 666 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: I do still think that the majority of evaluating this 667 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 3: year from the Cardinals would lead you to believe that 668 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 3: it is realistic that they could make a push for 669 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs. 670 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: There were six new playoff teams in twenty twenty three, 671 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: and at least four new teams have qualified for the 672 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: playoffs after failing to make this postseason the year before 673 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,960 Speaker 1: in thirty four straight seasons in the NFL. That's from 674 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: the league office. So four new playoff teams at least 675 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: four new playoff teams every single year for thirty four 676 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,760 Speaker 1: straight years. So if you look at the NFC forty 677 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: nine Ers, Cowboys, Lions, Buccaneers, Eagles, Rams, and Packers, those 678 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: were your top seven seats. The Cardinals are going to 679 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Got to take someone out. What do 680 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: you take out on that list? 681 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,479 Speaker 3: You want me to say the Cowboys, Craig, if. 682 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: You want to say the Cowboys, I wasn't expecting to 683 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: say the Cowboys based off earlier conversations here on Cardinals 684 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 685 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: We know your thoughts on the Packers. 686 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 3: Yah see. I think that the Rams are a question mark. 687 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,200 Speaker 3: I think what they were able to do is still impressive. 688 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: Of they were in their own sort of transition year, 689 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 3: and what does quarterback Matthew Stafford's future look like. They 690 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: have some young pieces, but they're not the youngest team, 691 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 3: so that's kind of a question mark for me. Of 692 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,359 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the Rams can continue to kind 693 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 3: of get in, not slide by, but find their way 694 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 3: into the playoffs the way that they did this past year. 695 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 3: That would be a question mark for me. 696 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: The Packers, the Rams have lost their defensive coordinator, Raheem Morris. 697 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: He's now going to the Falcons and he's taking with 698 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,360 Speaker 1: him Zach Robinson to be his offensive coordinator. And Robinson 699 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: was on the offensive staff for the Rams for a 700 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: number of years. So now all of a sudden, you're 701 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: and this is nothing new for Sean mcvah. I'm not 702 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,879 Speaker 1: saying he can't figure it out. This past season, they 703 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 1: weren't supposed to be in the playoffs, yet there they were, 704 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: right And Okay, the Buccaneers did they catch lightning in 705 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: a bottle? Can they do it again? Can Baker Mayfield 706 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: do it again for a second straight season? That would 707 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: be a question mark for me. 708 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 3: I agree. It's not like Baker Mayfield has been the 709 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 3: most consistent quarterback. He's had some fun times, right, He's 710 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 3: had some impressive games and you know, some bouts with 711 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 3: different teams. But you're right, I don't know that he's 712 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 3: the most consistent quarterback for a back to back playoff 713 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 3: run the Packers. 714 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: I'm actually encouraged by what I saw from Jordan Love 715 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: and company. Now, the biggest question, maybe for most teams 716 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: or for many are the Eagles. And I saw this 717 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: little nugget in Football Morning and America. Peter King was 718 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: talking about the turnover with the Philadelphia Eagles. In the 719 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 1: past twelve months, the Eagles have had seven different coordinators, 720 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:54,240 Speaker 1: three on offense, I'm sorry, three on defense, four on offense, 721 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: because you. 722 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: Had Jonathan Gannon on defense, and then they had who was. 723 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: It that they just changed Steichen. 724 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 3: Which then went up to the right, Okay, and then 725 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 3: your switch. Well I was doing all defense at first, 726 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 3: but Jonathan Gannon and then who is it who. 727 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: Had two different Shonda Saig got fired and they. 728 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 3: Had Matt patriction up to the booth and Matt Patrician. 729 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: And then they just I can't remember who they did. Oh, 730 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: Vic Fangio is now the four different on defense and 731 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: three on offense. 732 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,359 Speaker 3: And that's without technically naming Matt Patricia's new defensive that's 733 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 3: what he was, right, and then offense Stigan and then 734 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 3: this past year and then they just hired a new one. 735 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,720 Speaker 3: Oh they did kellam Moore, who's with the Cowboys before 736 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,240 Speaker 3: the Chargers. Wow, that's crazy. 737 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,919 Speaker 1: And twice I read that and I was like, because 738 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: he was going through all the different coaching you know, 739 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: the openings now with Seattle and the Commanders, but he 740 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: brought rings up the Eagles and the different coordinators. So yeah, 741 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: three different offensive coordinators, they're on their third different and 742 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: they're on their fourth different defensive coordinators. 743 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 3: So was it still Jonathan fault if you had to 744 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 3: go through three other coordinators? 745 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: Maybe he was doing something right after all. Maybe Unfortunately 746 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles are not on the schedule next season. 747 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another question mark team of are we watching 748 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,320 Speaker 3: a major collapse? 749 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: So there's three teams. 750 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 3: I mean, I look, this sounds dramatic and here we 751 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 3: are haven't even made it to the Super Bowl this season. 752 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to have an entire offseason, 753 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 3: entire season of Nick Sirianni being on the hot seat 754 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 3: and people calling for his job, Like I'm calling it 755 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 3: right now that by the time the twenty twenty four 756 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 3: regular season starts, it's going to be all over online 757 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: of is Nick Sirianna going to make it an entire 758 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 3: season coaching for his job every single week? That's what 759 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,320 Speaker 3: I'm feeling from. 760 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: Philly and then Same Conference or should say Same Division 761 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: Cowboys and Mike McCarthy O. So, out of those seven 762 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 1: teams in the nf SEE forty nine, ers are pretty solid. 763 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: I think the Lions are pretty solid. I do like 764 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: the Packers, but you can make a case. 765 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 3: There's some spots, there's some room to get in. 766 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 2: Because I love it. 767 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, you can make the playoffs. Okay, Well, 768 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 1: if you're going to make the playoffs talking about the card, 769 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: someone's got to come out, so you can't just say, oh, yeah, 770 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: they're playoff team more. Okay, then now tell me who's 771 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: coming out, who's leaving so you can take that spot. 772 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 3: And some of those teams that were in the hunt, 773 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 3: like Seattle who just missed the cutoff, I don't know 774 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 3: what they're gonna look like. You're there's a new head 775 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,919 Speaker 3: coach in however many years since Pete Carroll took over. 776 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 3: That's a big question mark, But that's an opportunity. Look 777 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 3: if we're talking about the Rams being one of those 778 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 3: teams where we don't know realistically what they're going to 779 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 3: look like next year, and Seattle's going through a lot 780 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 3: of changes, that is, don't even get to the super 781 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 3: Bowl opening or playoff openings for the Cardinals. Talk about 782 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,400 Speaker 3: the division openings. That's a great opportunity for Arizona to 783 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 3: kind of again find some dominance against your division rivals 784 00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 3: and make a push for the playoffs that way. 785 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: I just don't think the Cardinals as are as far 786 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: away as many people believe. If you're just looking at 787 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: the record and we can have all kinds of discussions 788 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: this offseason about you know, what needs to be at 789 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: it and what needs to change, But you know, teams 790 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: do make that jump. They do go from four wins, 791 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: they do go from last place the first place. It 792 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: happens a lot. That's my expectation in twenty twenty. 793 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 3: Four with Aaron Rodgers returning to the Jets, are they 794 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 3: one of those teams that finds a way into the 795 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 3: playoffs if he lasts longer than twelve minutes during the season. 796 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,840 Speaker 1: Twelve minutes. I think it was like twelve lesson second 797 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: place handful of plays. Wow. Yeah, maybe you'll run into 798 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers doing some work in Orlando for the Pro Bowl. 799 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I just thought i'd bring that up. 800 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 3: Is he even gonna be I have no idea. I 801 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 3: doubt it. 802 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. 803 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 3: I think he's probably already in his off the grid 804 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 3: cabin doing whatever he's doing in the off season. 805 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 1: Are you pack and ready to go? Heck no, okay, I. 806 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 3: Haven't even looked at the weather. That's probably gonna rain. 807 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,799 Speaker 1: Oh, no weather updates. I thought we were done with that. 808 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 3: Because I'm assuming Camping World Stadium is no roof, right, 809 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:16,320 Speaker 3: all outdoors? 810 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:16,920 Speaker 1: Outdoors? 811 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 2: Yes? 812 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 3: Cool? Please no rain? 813 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: Okay, we are hoping for no rain ahead of Danny 814 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:28,240 Speaker 1: Serek's second Pro Whole appearance. Well, enjoy it. Think taboo 815 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: to we said hello, and maybe anyone else who might show. 816 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 3: Up, and a cardinal keep my eyes open. 817 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,439 Speaker 1: All right, we'll revisit this conversation when you come back, 818 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: weather permitting, of course. On that note, we'll put a 819 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: lid on This edition of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, 820 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to 821 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: our executive producer Jim Mo More, our associate producer Cuddy Fincher. 822 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 1: For Danny Serek, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to 823 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two