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Speaker 2: This is crazy that Indiana beat Organ at Oregon, right,

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Speaker 2: And obviously they've had the ability to kind of load

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Speaker 2: non conference, which again as scheduling, I mean, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: Illinois was ranked at home. I don't know how good

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Speaker 2: Illinois is. They beat Iowa on the roads, good win

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Speaker 2: against a always good, solid Iowa team, but nothing spectacular.

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Speaker 2: But to go and beat Organ at Organ incredible. Now,

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Speaker 2: what's weird about Indiana is as of now they don't

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Speaker 2: play another ranked opponent the rest of the year, and

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Speaker 2: Michigan State's not gonna be ranked, Ucla is not gonna

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Speaker 2: be ranked, Maryland is not gonna be ranked, right, Penn

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Speaker 2: State very very doubtful. They went from top five in

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Speaker 2: the country. Now they fired their coach. Not likely not

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Speaker 2: can be ranked.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Drew Aller Wisconsin probably ends up firing Luke Ficklety in

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Speaker 2: the year, and Purdue like these they literally play the

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Speaker 2: bottom of the league. So Indiana has a chance to

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Speaker 2: go undefeated this season and oh yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 2: during which they will only have played two ranked teams.

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Speaker 2: So what's the true Indiana story. Do you have a coach, yes,

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Speaker 2: is he outstanding? Yes, But let's also be honest with ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Part of it is huge financial investment in that team.

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Speaker 2: And that's where we are with college football college basketball

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Speaker 2: the same. It still takes outstanding coaching and it takes

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Speaker 2: huge financial investment. If you have both of those things,

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Speaker 2: very likely. Why has it worked so well well? Signetti

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Speaker 2: comes from what James Madison and I think this is

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Speaker 2: If you want to get it going, you have a

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Speaker 2: you basically buy a program, hire a coach, even at

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Speaker 2: and his coaches, and that becomes kind of your culture stabilizer.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise you end up starting all over, and it's really

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Speaker 2: The guy before you, you know, left you a lot

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Speaker 2: That's what happened with Urban Meyer at Ohio State. That's

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Speaker 2: You know, previous coaching staffs at Oklahoma, they weren't great,

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Speaker 2: change coaches, you lose your whole team. So, by my estimation,

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Speaker 2: the best way to be successful one of these programs

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Speaker 2: Indiana being right there among college football elite. Sorry, Jason

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Speaker 2: Stewart know you hate the expression, but I never had

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Speaker 2: that on my Bengo card.

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Speaker 2: the Penn State job.

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Speaker 5: For Penn State, I mean, the question was like, if

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Speaker 2: Oh. I don't know if it's the biggest flop. I

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Speaker 2: just think this whole thing is ridiculous. It's like we

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Speaker 2: halfway through, not even halfway through. What did you gain?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you the reality of what you did.

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Speaker 2: You destroyed your program because even though they change rules

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Speaker 2: we can go get the new coach. We're ahead of everybody.

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Speaker 2: To get the new coach, and I think most people

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Speaker 2: It's not the end of the freaking world. I just

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Speaker 2: I think so many of these donors boosters are so

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Speaker 2: they know it's not the right decision. Here's Dan Byer.

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Speaker 2: He said this about Dak Prescott surpassing Troy Aikman second

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Speaker 7: I think Tony Romo has looked at more fondly than

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Speaker 7: And it's all because I think Dak's been very, very good.

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Speaker 7: And if you go back to the time when Tony

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Speaker 7: but it definitely wasn't something that you would think would happen.

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Speaker 7: And because of the success of the Cowboys, or maybe

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Speaker 7: I just think that Dak is under such an extreme microscope.

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Speaker 7: And I'm not saying that all of his moments have

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Speaker 7: just kind of want to give the guy props, even

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Speaker 2: I just again, I know they lost yesterday to Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I do think Dak is probably better than we regard him.

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Speaker 2: on TV. Here's Colin Cowhert talking about the Chiefs.

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Speaker 9: They can take Hollywood Brown and Jude Juw Smith Schuster

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Speaker 4: Xavier are worthy.

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Speaker 9: the Gordon Ramsey. Everything in the kitchen has a role.

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Speaker 9: Let's just keep tinkering. Let's keep figuring out a way

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Speaker 9: big games. They play differently. No penalties, no turnovers, one

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Speaker 9: and they don't pump much. The NFL seasons are incredibly long.

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Speaker 9: You can't overreact to zero to two or three and

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Speaker 9: Three weeks ago, when they beat Baltimore, everybody said, well,

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Speaker 9: Ravens are beat up. Yeah, right now, so is Tampa,

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Speaker 2: the defense is better. I also think think that you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 4: And now it's your annoying.

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Speaker 10: Doug. I don't know. I haven't heard Dan Bayer give

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Speaker 6: Or mean, come on, man, what kind of question is

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Speaker 10: So, Aaron Glen, you're annoying for not only kind of

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Speaker 2: None of that makes any sense. We're sorry, We're sorry.

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Speaker 12: Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up

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Speaker 10: So I think people are confused. Neither of these choices

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Speaker 2: Oh that's really good that I completely agree with you.

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Speaker 2: Who's the most annoying? I think Tua is the most

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Speaker 2: Who do you think the leadership should be? To me?

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Speaker 10: Hey, Doug, We've been talking a lot on this podcast

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Speaker 10: over the years about the fact that millennials and gen

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Speaker 10: What's what's the term for slang? They're like making up

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Speaker 3: Bro I'll be on Twitter like I feel like they

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Speaker 10: So, uh, you and I talked about this. I always

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Speaker 10: So I always thought raw dogging was having an intercourse

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