1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: We are joined as always with our super producer, all 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 4: mission control decans. Most importantly, you are You are here, 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 4: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 4: to know. We are over the moon. We're like a 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 4: UFO in the sky right now. We're so excited as 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 4: always to hang out with you, the most important part 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 4: of the show. In our weekly listener mail segment, now 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: we've been getting tons of amazing correspondence newly for new episodes, 16 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 4: also replies from people with first hand experience about things 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 4: we have discussed in the past. We are going to 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 4: learn about a member's organization. We are going to have 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 4: what I think at least is a very compelling theory 20 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 4: about UFOs in the Korean War. And before we do 21 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 4: any of that, we are going to talk about two 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 4: things that go together, like peas and carrots, smurfs and cirt. 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I love the Smurfs. Did you guys 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: grow up watching the eighties Smurf cartoons? 25 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 4: It weirded me out. 26 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: It's weird. It is weird. I found a delightful bit. 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: It is mega weird. They live in mushrooms, they're tiny 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 3: blue people, and there's a psychotic mad wizard to the 29 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 3: diabolical cat. Yeah, that's always chasing that. 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: Anti cat propaganda. 31 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, it's fair. But I think I think 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: his cat's name is something demonic, like Mephisto or Lucifer 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: or something like that. Maybe I made that. 34 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 4: I think the cat's name was Benjamin Kyle. 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, let's see Gargamel's cat. But here's the thing 36 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: I did Azrael, come on, that is a demon? Isn't 37 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 3: Azrael like a demon? 38 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: Or it's an angel? Maybe I'm wrong. 39 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a demonic, it's a demonic angel. 40 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 4: It depends on your perspective. O Israel historically angel is death, 41 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 4: angel of death, or it's present in Islam as well. 42 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then again, the you know, Gargamel being the 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: villain of the Smurfs, he is he wants to eat 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: them or or make them into magic potions. It's kind 45 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: of unclear. I think he. I think he definitely wants 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: to eat them. He's always talking in the cartoon about 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: how delicious they are and delectable. But they seem kind 48 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 3: of scrawny. Frankly, it doesn't see like they make much. 49 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 3: You get the whole bunch of them to get much 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 3: of a meal out of it. But I never really 51 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: would have thought that, like particle physics and Gargamel, you know, 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: would have gone together. But well, here we are with 53 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: this email from mortgage man. He says this, I just 54 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 3: listened to the classic episode. Should we be concerned? I 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 3: couldn't believe the Smurfs named their villain after some special 56 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: room in use in the nineteen seventies at CERN, the 57 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: Gargamel bubble Chamber. I had to dig a little deeper 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: and found that CERN may have actually named their bubble 59 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 3: chamber after the villain Gargamel, dates back to nineteen fifty nine. 60 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: How on points since Gargamel was using Smurfs to practice alchemy. Sadly, 61 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: I dug too deep and learned they are unrelated. Ah no, 62 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: that's a bummer, but still it's M E. L L. E. 63 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: In the CERN research facility and Gargamel of the cartoon 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: is m e L. But see here's the point. Not 65 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: all can fearces can come true. And then he has 66 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: a little snippet posted way. Gargamel first appeared in La 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: Voules des trump in the episode Yes, the episode the 68 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 3: Smurf Napper, published in nineteen fifty nine, in which Gargamel 69 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: captures a smurf in order to use as an ingredient 70 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: for a potion to make gold, in accordance with the 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: famed alchemic legend of the Philosopher's Stone. And yes, it's 72 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: a comic strip called Spirou that appeared in nineteen fifty nine, 73 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 3: published by the French publisher Dupuis. I'm not using a 74 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 3: list of there d u p u I s I 75 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: imagine that's the Dupus Dupois perhaps AnyWho, the creator of 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: the Smurfs. By the way, you'll notice at the end 77 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 3: of the eighties cartoon, which is what we're probably all 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 3: familiar with, Peyo just says created by Peyo. Who the 79 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: hell is this Peo character? He, in fact, was a 80 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: Belgian illustrator whose name is actually Pierre coliford I. Was 81 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: born in nineteen twenty eight and died in December of 82 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two payout and yeah, Ben, you clocked it. 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: The strumphin that's what they're known as to this day 84 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 3: in Europe. Actually, when I was in Paris a couple 85 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: of years ago, when I was in the airport coming 86 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 3: back getting some European snacks, they have all kinds of 87 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: horrible gummies over there that they do not have over here, 88 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 3: and one of them that I picked up was Smurf gummies. 89 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: But they're not called Smurf gummies. They're called stromph gummies, 90 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: which I love. 91 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: It's interesting too. Before we continue with mortgage Man, I 92 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 4: ended up in Belgium for a bit, as you guys know, 93 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 4: and Belgium, in addition to doing animations around the world, yeah, 94 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: they have a very. 95 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 3: A very weird. 96 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 4: Comic book museum, that's what it. Yeah, super interesting and 97 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 4: it's great if you're there. There is another less extensive 98 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: and less creepy comic pesium right across the street, but 99 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: if you go, if you go in there, you will 100 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 4: see I had no idea about the Smurf's origin before 101 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 4: I visited there, and kind of like you, Mortgage Man, 102 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: I had no real concept of how old this story was. 103 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: And it's neat that we're talking about alchemy because I 104 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: don't know did so you guys watched the show growing 105 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: up right as children? Did you clock the occult stuff 106 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: or was it something you realized later? 107 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. I'd love to hear your perspective 108 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: on that. Mat I definitely thought, yes, he had a cauldron, 109 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: he had his sort of like creepy layer, you know, 110 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: and he had a familiar with this cat Azrael, always 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: obviously getting bungling all his recipes and getting foiled and 112 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: blowing himself up, because that's what cartoon villains do. They 113 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 3: can never win. But the alchemy part, yeah, I always 114 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: thought he more like wanted to eat them because they 115 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: were a delicacy or something. But then, now that I'm 116 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 3: thinking back on it, he was always making lotions and 117 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: potions and mystical physics, you know, like the flask of 118 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: divine physic. Any nerds out there, I know what I'm 119 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 3: talking about, Matt. What was your take on Gargamel growing up. 120 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: Guys, I honestly can't recall. I know I watched many 121 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: an episode. I know I can't see Gargamel's face in 122 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: my head. 123 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 3: Snaggletooth's kind of bald monk looking fellow in like a 124 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 3: black robe with sort of floppy shoes. 125 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like somebody would be practicing alchemy. No, 126 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: I'm just joking, but I think what I'm taking away 127 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: more right now, guys, is that alchemy, the concept of 128 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: alchemy played a major role in the media that we 129 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: would be consuming as we're growing up, and I feel 130 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: like that happened more and more. Or I'm thinking back 131 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 2: to other Disney movies right where the villain is not 132 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: always a witch, but like commonly a witch of some sort, 133 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: somebody who practices magic. Right, the bad person is usually 134 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: the one trying to find the secrets in through chemistry 135 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: or you know, in this case, alchemy something like that. 136 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: It's weird to me. I wonder why that's always portrayed 137 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: in a negative light. 138 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, because I always think of alchemy as being sort 139 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: of an intellectual pursuit, not necessarily in service of like 140 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: the dark arts per se. But you're right, like in 141 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: films like Harry Potter and The Sorcerer's Stone and all 142 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: of that, usually the ones that are meddling with these 143 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: kinds of things metal no pun intended, are doing it 144 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: for some nefarious purpose. 145 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 2: Because it's often power seeking, right, That's right, That's right. 146 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 2: So h man, it makes you want to go back 147 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: and analyze a lot of the old children's movies that 148 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: I watched when I was a kid. 149 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: Oh dude, Yeah, think of like Ursula the Sea Witch, 150 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 3: Like she's you know, cooking up all kinds of crazy stuff, 151 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 3: you know, and like demon fumes coming out of her 152 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: weird sea cauldron, and like, you know, the what is 153 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: it the Dark Cauldron? The Dark Cauldron? That the Black Cauldron. Rather, 154 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: that was a super super dark and spooky Disney film 155 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: that involved some some of those kinds of things as well. Guys. 156 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: I'm put to put in the chat really quick, some 157 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: real nightmare fuel for you. I just found this out. 158 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: Hank Azaria, who does a lot of voices on the Simpsons, 159 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: he played Gargamel in a very poorly received I believe 160 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: Smurf's live action movie, and we'll give this shit. Give 161 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: this guy, and you also see mixed in here. Look 162 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: at poor hankaz Are. He really went all in with 163 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 3: the buck teeth and the fake nose. 164 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I bet he made that character very lovable. 165 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 3: You need to watch the film. It's funny. Actually, I 166 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: shouldn't knock the film. I haven't seen it. I think 167 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 3: he was gonna be in the sequel because it's called 168 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: like Gargamel is Defeated or something like that. But I 169 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: actually have worked in the past and have become kind 170 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: of buddies with someone who is the producer on one 171 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: of the Smurf's films, So I'm not sure if it 172 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: was this one or another one. There was like a 173 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: one that was all CGI, I believe, But AnyWho, thank 174 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 3: you so much Mortgage Man for writing it. I mean, 175 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: I know we're not talking much about Cern here, but 176 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 3: there's all episode on that you can check out. Should 177 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: you be concerned? We try to answer that question in 178 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 3: the episode. 179 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 4: Oh there is a good connection though, Yeah, let's hear man. 180 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: So back in I want to say twenty eighteen, there 181 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 4: was a lot of speculation that Cern had stumbled upon 182 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 4: old school alchemy, and I really do believe we should 183 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: do an episode on the Philosopher's Stone. Alchemy is endlessly 184 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 4: fascinating to me, Alchemy chemistry as duplo is to legos. 185 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 4: We have okay, so you can make diamonds, right, you 186 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 4: can pressurize carbon such that you can create for all 187 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 4: intents and purposes a diamond. You can get past the 188 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: blood diamond stuff. And the issue that a lot of 189 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: people have in alchemy and you know in banking is 190 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 4: that there's not a synthetic process for doing the same 191 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: thing with gold. But apparently, back a few years back 192 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: at CERN, physicists, oh this was before twenty eighteen, this 193 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 4: is like twenty thirteen, physicists realized that there was a 194 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 4: thin film of material that was forming on the interior 195 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 4: of the large hadron collider and it was made up 196 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 4: of precious metals. It was a combination about ninety percent gold, 197 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 4: ten percent platinum, and a very very small remaining percentage 198 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 4: of rare earth metals. Wait, this is like a byproduct. Yeah, 199 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 4: it's not a purpose. 200 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 3: WHOA, how do you even do that? That's crazy? 201 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: Well, great discoveries. It happened accidentally. 202 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: When you're smashing protons together, right, And by the way, 203 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: wouldn't the way that synthetically, not synthetically, but to make 204 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: a diamond just to be wouldn't that be just. 205 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 3: To compress carbon under great force that you could control 206 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: or is that not possible? 207 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 4: No? 208 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, lab lab created that's what these diamonds are all 209 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: all the rage. They really are? 210 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: Are they are? They? Are they considered as as valuable? No? 211 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 3: I didn't think. So that's not that it's not the 212 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: same as cubics or conium, is it. No, No, it 213 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: is a true diamond. It's just not from the earth 214 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 3: and nobody suffered to create it. That is that where 215 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: the cachet comes from. 216 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: Guys, Currently CERN is not making gold. We want to 217 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: be clear. They've found accidentally some byproducts let's call them, 218 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 4: of this particle acceleration, this atom smashing, this proton stripping 219 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 4: and so on. But I thought it was a neat connection. 220 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: And really, if you could create gold, it would up 221 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 4: end the world economy. Right. It's one of those things 222 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 4: where if you patented a process for it, and we'll 223 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 4: talk about patents later today, you would fall under the 224 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 4: National Invention Secrecy or Security Act because you would ruin 225 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: the world. 226 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, it also depends on how expensive it is to 227 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 2: create the gold, right, So how much energy do you need, 228 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: what raw materials do you need? That kind of thing? 229 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: If it costs If the process costs less than the 230 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,239 Speaker 4: market value of gold, then you are dangerous. 231 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. But again, I guess gold is 232 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: really important for a lot of places in the world. 233 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 2: But you know, if you're like the United States, you 234 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: could just print money. 235 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: Yeah literally, yeah, fun stuff, but a ben thank you 236 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: for that, for that kicker there, and thank you mortgage 237 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: man for bringing this to to our attention and then 238 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 3: allowing us to talk about the Smurfs for fifteen minutes. 239 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 3: It was a delight. We're going to take a break 240 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: and they're going to come back and hear it some 241 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: more from. 242 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: You, and we've returned, and quick shout out to our 243 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: episode on Alchemy with Damian Patrick Williams. You can check 244 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: sweet that exists now on our feeds as a classic 245 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: and in its original form from twenty sixteen. 246 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 4: You know he's my boy, right, so I have to 247 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 4: say it, doctor Williams. Congratulations Professor. 248 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: Oh hey Concrats, I didn't know, all right. I know 249 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: he was going for it back. 250 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: In the day. 251 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: Nice work. 252 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: He went for it and he got it. 253 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, we're going to go for a 254 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: little message from a person themselves, Summer Frog. 255 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: Hello, this is summer Frog calling in from the East Coast. 256 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 5: I wanted to let you guys know something that I experienced. 257 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 5: I don't know if you've done an episode on it yet, 258 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 5: but it could be interesting. Is this new generation of 259 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 5: celebrity styled cults. I found them when I was living 260 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 5: in Los Angeles and I found myself accidentally moving into 261 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 5: a Scientology affiliated cult called Upstart, and they had cameras 262 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 5: in most of the rooms. We didn't have tenant right, 263 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: we were members. They did random searches on all of 264 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,239 Speaker 5: our stuff, and it was kind of a weird experience. 265 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 5: I think it's something you could really look into. They 266 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 5: basically promised people celebrity status if they stay with them, 267 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 5: and they find people that are so desperate for that 268 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 5: type of celebrity that they basically become dependent on the 269 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 5: services they provide, primarily affordable housing in a city as 270 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 5: expensive as Los Angeles. Could be interesting. You should look 271 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 5: into it. 272 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much, Summer Frog. Okay, guys, before 273 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: we jump into our initial thoughts, I just want to 274 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: point out that Summer Frog did use the C word 275 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: in that message and associated with a mainstream religion that 276 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: we've talked about before on this show many many times. 277 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 4: Oh cult, Yeah, I thought I thought it was. 278 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: I thought it was Nope, it was it was cult. 279 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: Just putting it. They go that was that was done 280 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: by the caller, just pointing that out right there. If 281 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: you're out there listening, you know who you are. 282 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: So Scientology has gotten defanged a little bit of it. 283 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: I know we did. We did a whole episode with 284 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: one of the main guys defected. But still this person 285 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: isociated Scientology with cults, or at least a Scientology affiliated cult. 286 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: We're going to get into that pretty deeply here. But 287 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: first of all, what do you guys think about this 288 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 2: concept of offering affordable housing as a tactic to bring 289 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: people into an organization. 290 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 4: To exploit the vulnerable. 291 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 3: Yes, oh yeah, yes, gross to your point, Ben, yes, effective, sure, 292 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: But how is that any different than like Christian outreach, 293 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, or like you know, Christian 294 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 3: uh half most Christian affiliated halfway houses or things like 295 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: that that are considered like you know, helping the community 296 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: or food banks and stuff, you know. I mean again, 297 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: one person's religion is with another person's cult, but it 298 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 3: is recruiting tactics. You can't deny it. I mean, of course, 299 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 3: you know there is benevolence involved in that, you know, 300 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 3: within the Christian faith and their outreach, but it's also 301 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 3: it's kind of a way of spreading the word and 302 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: getting people into the flock. 303 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: It certainly feels like a way to get membership if 304 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: you're trying to have members of an organist, right, make 305 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: an offer to those members that is almost too good 306 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: to be true. So let's talk a little bit more 307 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: about this company. It is a company and you can 308 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: go to their website right now. It is spelled up 309 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 2: parentheses st and parentheses capital art, so upstart, right, but 310 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: it's Upstart, that's how you would say it. 311 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: Multiple locations, man. 312 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: Yes, Upstart Creative. You can go to their website here, 313 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: which is live upstart dot com to check them out. 314 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: And it seems really cool on the surface, like really 315 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: really cool. If you are a young person you're trying 316 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: to get started in a creative field, no matter what 317 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 2: that is. You could move to Los Angeles place where 318 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: there are a lot of other creatives and live for 319 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: an affordable price and collaborate with a bunch of other 320 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: people who are trying to do the same thing. Sounds great, 321 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: sounds awesome, And they even offer things like shared workplaces 322 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: for specific creative fields like dance studios, art studios, recording studios. Again, 323 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: sounds amazing. So we found a video on YouTube that 324 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: is currently unlisted, but you can find it through a 325 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: couple of publications. It's about Upstart Creative and it was 326 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 2: on Good Day Los Angeles or Good Day LA. I'm 327 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: gonna give you kind of a rundown of what you 328 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: learn if you watch the video. So, if you join upstart, 329 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: you become a member, and you start living in one 330 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 2: of their places, you will pay seven hundred and fifty 331 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: dollars a month in rent, which in three years ago, 332 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, when this was posted, maybe it was even 333 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: posted a little before that. That's at least when Upstart 334 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: posted it to their page right in twenty twenty, seven 335 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars a month for rent in Los Angeles. 336 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: Doesn't that sound pretty good? 337 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 4: Egregiously good. It's unbeliev it's. 338 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,479 Speaker 3: Exactly, yes, sir. 339 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: So then your thought is, well, what do I get 340 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: for that? Is this like a studio apartment kind of thing. 341 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: Is it a tiny little apartment that is just a 342 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 2: bed and maybe a bath, a bath, half bath or something. 343 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: What do you get? Well, you get a bedroom that 344 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: is basically a bunk bed situation, except not in the way. 345 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: Maybe you're thinking It reminds me a little bit of 346 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: the pod hotels that we've been talking about, but think 347 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: way smaller, think more like a honeycomb, maybe a cap yeah, 348 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: like Ben, Yes, like the capsule hotel situation where you 349 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 2: literally have a tiny little where you have one cell 350 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 2: in a honeycomb basically that is within a room and 351 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: there are maybe ten other people in that room that 352 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: live with you. 353 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 4: Do you have a rack like like you know, on 354 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: a sub they would call it a rack. 355 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: Maybe it's like a yeah, it feels like that. 356 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 4: Do you have to share a bed? Do you sleep 357 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: in shifts? 358 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: No? No, I don't think it's sharing a bed. Maybe 359 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: it's that way. I don't know. I couldn't find that 360 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 2: information online anywhere. 361 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 4: But you probably have to get in before you learn 362 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. 363 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: I've maybe, yeah, you really sign up, then you figure 364 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: that out. But in this video again that was featured 365 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: on Good Day Los Angeles, a television show, a local 366 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 2: television show, they state that there were ninety five people, 367 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 2: ninety five people living at one of their locations. But hey, 368 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: here's the good thing. You get to cook, clean and 369 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: work and collaborate with everybody else in the house. You're 370 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 2: sharing like a kitchen space. If you imagine that with 371 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: ninety five people, Yikes, that's horrifying to me. You have 372 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: to be an artist of some form, so you have 373 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 2: to be pursuing some kind of creative career. Again, I 374 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: listed those things. The studios you get to check out. 375 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: They had at that time nearly four hundred members in 376 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 2: Los Angeles, and at that time they were opening an 377 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 2: eighth location. The average age, according to Good Day Los 378 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: Angeles was eighteen to twenty five, so these are very 379 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: young people trying to start their creative careers. 380 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 4: Yeah. You can see the testimonials on the website that 381 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 4: you brought us to, Matt. You can see testimonials from 382 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 4: Silver Lake Echo Park. I think the Silver Lake one 383 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: has someone saying this is the best way for people 384 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 4: to transition to living in LA given that the cost 385 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: of living is so much higher than so many other 386 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: places in the US. That's totally understandable. Like that, it 387 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 4: would fill a need. This probably does work for some people, 388 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 4: at least as as far as we know. According to 389 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 4: summer Frog, there may be more play. 390 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it certainly does work for some people, and 391 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: it could be a perfect situation. You're living out there 392 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: for on their website they have the actual prices updated 393 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty three. The Silver Lake location is only 394 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: seven hundred and fifteen dollars a month, and for that 395 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: you get a photo studio and office space, a printer, house, computer, piano, guitars, 396 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: outdoor hammocks, and a coin op laundry. That's interesting. 397 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: US currency or do they have like company store money. 398 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. If you want to 399 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: live in Echo Park or East Hollywood, that's going to 400 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: run you seven hundred and ninety five dollars a month. 401 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 2: And again, it's kind of weird because on their website, 402 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: like in the Silver Lake location, you've just got a 403 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 2: shot of like the living room area. In East Hollywood 404 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,239 Speaker 2: you got a shot of the living room area, and 405 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: in the Echo Park location you've got like partially the 406 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: front of a house situation. But it's there's no way 407 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: to really tell what you're getting, at least from their 408 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 2: own website, And then you go over to Yelp in 409 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 2: some of the other places where the company's featured, and 410 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 2: it's very difficult to know really what you're getting into, probably, 411 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: like you said, Ben, until you sign up for that membership, 412 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: then you get the whole deal. 413 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: Where's the scientology connection. 414 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: Though, Where is the scientology connection? That is a great question, Ben. 415 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 2: I can't find it. I can't find it except for 416 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: in reviews on Yelp and in what summer Frog mentioned 417 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: at what was it searching our belongings basically and having 418 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: strict rules about lifestyle, which potentially feels like that could 419 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: be a religion, you know, a religious based organization that 420 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 2: when you sign up for membership, you agree not to 421 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: do certain things, not to have certain substances on your 422 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: person or keep them in the house, that kind of thing, 423 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: which you know, if you sign a legal document for that. 424 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's legal to search and do 425 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: those kinds of things. But again, there's no official connection 426 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 2: to any religion that I can find anywhere online. Oh yeah, 427 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: I would send everybody over to Spectrum News one. Spectrum 428 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 2: News one and search for creative co living spaces provide 429 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: affordable homes for aspiring creators. That's one of the only 430 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 2: places I can actually find this place written about. But again, 431 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: it's hard to know who it's written by because it 432 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: literally the byline is blank. So maybe it's just pr 433 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: who knows. 434 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, there's also I'm just looking here there there 435 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: are a couple of articles, but a lot of them are. 436 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 4: They look like they're leveraging the same talking points, if 437 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 4: that makes sense. And it looks like there is an 438 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 4: instagram for Upstart that was last updated in January of 439 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one. 440 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: Yep, so it's it's hard to know. I've found something 441 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: in costar dot com. It says Church of Scientology buys 442 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Creative office property. But I have to sign 443 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 2: up for co star to read the rest, So I'm sorry, guys, 444 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: I have to do read them. But I was trying to. 445 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 4: See stand that QR code that you're getting on the 446 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: back of your deck. 447 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, maybe I can't. Maybe I can't. But I 448 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: couldn't find any further information about that location. So again, 449 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 2: it could be completely unrelated. It probably is. I would 450 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: recommend everyone head over to Yelp because you can find 451 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: Upstart Creative Living and just see what people are saying. 452 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: It's mostly glowing reviews. Right. This is a great situation 453 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 2: that's helped me out all the things you would imagine. 454 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 2: This is a creative space. I met a bunch of 455 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: people that helped me. You know, along the way, there 456 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 2: are others that have really negative things to say that 457 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: I almost hesitate to read on air because it could 458 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 2: be because it could be a bad thing. I'll give 459 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: you this tiny short one that is not indicative of 460 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: all of the reviews. It is just an example of 461 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 2: a potential connection to scientology. David Vee says, if you 462 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: crave scientology, hard drugs, cockroaches, broken refrigeration, and the occasional rape, 463 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 2: then this place is for you. If not live any 464 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 2: that though, is one person posting an opinion on a 465 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 2: site that allows you to post your opinion, right, and 466 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 2: maybe that opinion is not real, maybe it is who knows, 467 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 2: there's no way to verify. 468 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 3: Right. 469 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, man, you're right, And it's the ethical 470 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 4: thing to point out what you're saying. This is uh. 471 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 4: To add to that, we do have to acknowledge that 472 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: yelp is under fire itself for being kind of crooked 473 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 4: and telling people that they have to pay to play 474 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 4: if they want good reviews surfaced. So there's that, But 475 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: also this hit me. I was looking through the website 476 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 4: that you just showed all of us, and do you 477 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 4: remember cheddar. 478 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 2: Oh I saw I saw about so should Jason Hoak. 479 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 3: Oh boy, yeah, Cheddar. You know where Cheddar's been relegated 480 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 3: to now the little screen on gas pumps. 481 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 4: Oh nice, that's still eyeballs though, you know what I mean. 482 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 4: Any show is a show. 483 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 3: Trying to say coffin flops, not a showy coops show. 484 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 4: They said that to be at a dinner anyway. Yeah, yeah, 485 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 4: season three, I think you should leave on the way. 486 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: We're excited. Uh but yeah, Matt, as you were. 487 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 2: Saying, I was saying stuff. Anyway. We don't have a 488 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: ton of information about this organization other than it sounds 489 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: intriguing to me, and I'd love to go check out 490 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: a location. I can't fathom how you fit that many 491 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: people into any location unless it's some kind of sprawling 492 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 2: building right when you're when you're having people live in 493 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: those little tiny pods or whatever. It just it doesn't 494 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 2: make sense. It doesn't make sense how it could be 495 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 2: very comfortable for me. And the idea of tenet rights 496 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: is a really interesting thing, because if you're renting an apartment, 497 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 2: you have certain rights, and are those negated by joining 498 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 2: a membership instead of signing a lease of some sort. 499 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 500 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 4: It's kind of like the It's kind of like the 501 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 4: line with m das right. If someone signs an NDA 502 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 4: that precludes them from or puts them in a situation 503 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 4: where they would obstruct justice, then it gets very sticky. Right. 504 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 4: And and also, you know, to be absolutely fair, I 505 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 4: think we're doing an rright job. Some I hope we're 506 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 4: doing an right job. Some are frog in being objective 507 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 4: and acknowledging. And when we don't have all the facts, 508 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 4: I do want to add one more fact into our 509 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: our chemical mix here. Scientology is known to use proxies 510 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: to get at people right and to not be PubL 511 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 4: blink about that. Check out our episodes on things like 512 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 4: narcanan excuse me, I'm. 513 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: Going to give you one more yelp review just to 514 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: show you the difference. Mark W. Says, I lived at 515 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: an Upstart for a year and a half and I 516 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 2: can easily say it was the best part of my 517 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: journey in la I moved here with barely any money, 518 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: no friends or a place to sleep. When I landed, 519 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: I found a hostel for a few nights and then 520 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 2: saw an ad for Upstart on Craigslist. They gave me 521 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: a tour of a property, and I was sold. This 522 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: place brings people together from all walks of life that 523 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: have one thing in common. They put their passion above 524 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: all else, and again it goes on. It's very positive. 525 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: So that's the span that you get for this place. 526 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: Who knows. We'd love more information if you've got it, 527 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 2: so please do right to us. We'll tell you how 528 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: to contact us at the end of this episode. Now 529 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick word from our sponsors 530 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: and be right back. 531 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 4: And we have returned with one more message from you 532 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 4: for this week listener mail segment. Let's end it with 533 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 4: let'sten with a rabbit hole. 534 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 3: I love this. 535 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 4: We recently received some correspondence from Kevin and as you know, folks, 536 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 4: we read every email we get. This one. I don't 537 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 4: know if you guys saw this one. This one really 538 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: stood out to me because in our earlier episode on 539 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: UFOs in the Korean War one sighting in specific, we 540 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 4: walked through some pretty logical questions about what could have 541 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 4: happened and how and why, And honestly, I was not 542 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 4: expecting us to find an answer. Sometimes you shout into 543 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: the void. But I'd like to proudly present one of 544 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 4: the best theories that at least I have heard explaining 545 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 4: UFO sightings in the Korean War. So over to Kevin. Kevin, 546 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: you said, Hey, I just listened to the episode and 547 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 4: it got me thinking about some research i'd done a 548 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 4: while back on the topic of Foo fighters, not the band, 549 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 4: the aerial phenomenon. While looking round online, I stumbled onto 550 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 4: the concept of the long aerial mind. Here's a conceptual 551 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 4: drawing of the basic idea and operation, and this reminds me. 552 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: This reminds me a bit of the skyhook technology, just 553 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: a little bit if you If you look at this, 554 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: you learn more at a website Kevin provided called Airwar 555 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 4: Great Britain dot blogspot dot com. And what you'll see 556 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 4: is a fairly simple parachute device. It has a it's 557 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 4: meant to carry bombs via via parachute. Right, there's no 558 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 4: engineer or anything. And the idea is that with something 559 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 4: like piano wire, this thing would be high enough to 560 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 4: catch airplanes on the wing as they fly by, so 561 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 4: they hit that wire and then they activate a mine 562 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 4: in the air. It's a pretty simple, brilliant concept. 563 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 2: WHOA, it looks incredible, Ben, I'm looking at the schematics 564 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: here on that website you mentioned. So it's basically two parachutes, right, yeah, 565 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: that's incredible. 566 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 4: It so these are released at two hundred foot intervals. 567 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 4: They are going to create a slowly descending barrier in 568 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: the air, So it's a trip wire basically for a plane. 569 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 4: Kevin continues, It got me thinking that maybe what pilots 570 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 4: were seeing following their planes, meaning food fighters, were actually 571 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 4: aerial minds caught on their wings, and since they only 572 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 4: saw them at night, they wouldn't have seen the entirety 573 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 4: of the mechanism to understand what they were. With that 574 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 4: in mind, I started searching the patent database to see 575 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 4: if anything similar had been patented, and lo and behold, 576 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 4: I found Deep Breath pattent US two three two nine 577 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 4: four one four a for an aerial apparatus filed in 578 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 4: nineteen forty by Joseph Z. Delenda, which was basically a 579 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 4: powered version of the long aerial mine. Kevin says, here's 580 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 4: an image from the patent illustrating its mechanism. Checked it out. 581 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 4: The mechanism is legit. Kevin also shares the description of 582 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: the patent. It also we also come to find that 583 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: this inventor de Linda had been investigated by the Special 584 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 4: Committee on Un American Activities, and he is being asked 585 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 4: about whether he was going to sell battleship plans and 586 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 4: military components to the Soviet Union in nineteen thirty nine. 587 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 4: And then it appears that this guy was also connected 588 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 4: to a French munitions company which is known for manufacturing mortar, 589 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 4: and he had a patent licensing deal with them. Look, okay, 590 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 4: here's where Kevin is getting and this is an excellent 591 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 4: rabbit hole man, he says. So with all that in mind, 592 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 4: my theory is as follows. The food fighters and possibly 593 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 4: the UFOs seen in Korea were versions of Joseph Z. 594 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: Delinda's aerial Mind fitted with lights and acoustic devices. Patents 595 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 4: of the design were sold to that French munitions company 596 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 4: Edgar Brandt by Delinda, which produced the devices prior to 597 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 4: or during World War II. They were captured by the 598 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 4: Germans during the French occupation and used in desperation toward 599 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 4: the end of the war. How they ended up in 600 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 4: Korea is anyone's guest. I hope you find this info 601 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 4: as interesting as I did. Oh, Kevin, I'm having a 602 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 4: cloud atless moment with you right now, man, Like, does 603 00:35:58,560 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 4: this kind of make sense? 604 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: It definitely makes sense. 605 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 4: It's a theory, it's not proven. 606 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: It's an excellent connection, I think, to what those pilots 607 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: were describing to what would potentially happen if your plane 608 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: got you know, caught, if one of these things got 609 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: stuck in your plane basically are on your plane. And 610 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: then this concept of Delinda, who's making a powered version 611 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 2: instead of the slowly descending one that a pilot would 612 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 2: probably see from fairly far off. It's just kind of 613 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 2: floating there. And then if you don't notice the long 614 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 2: string right or the long rope or whatever it is, 615 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 2: you just fly right through that sucker, no idea, and 616 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: you've got something in tow. The weird thing to me 617 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 2: is that why didn't why didn't they function with there's 618 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 2: explosive capabilities, Because the whole point of these things was 619 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 2: to have a bomb up top above where the airplane 620 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 2: would fly, and then the parachute on the bottom pulls 621 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 2: like it gets activated, then pulls the bomb down into 622 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 2: the plane's hull so that it would explode and blow 623 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 2: up your adversarial airplane. 624 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 3: Remember Ben those balloon bombs that were developed around the 625 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,760 Speaker 3: same time. I think it was. They're probably parallel versions. 626 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 3: I think the ones I'm thinking of were Japanese and 627 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 3: they would detonate based on altitude. It's just interesting. I 628 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 3: don't know, like this kind of like sort of odd 629 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 3: ball tech that like on paper seems interesting. But clearly 630 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 3: we haven't heard a ton about bees. They probably were 631 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 3: spottily successful. I don't know, what do you think in 632 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 3: terms of effectiveness? Right, same with the balloon bombs. They 633 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 3: were always going off course and going to crazy places. 634 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 2: It just feels like to me, if this were the 635 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 2: case for all food fighters, Kevin, I think the story 636 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 2: about food fighters would be they attack planes. Right, These 637 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,520 Speaker 2: food fighters are downing planes all over the place, right. 638 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 4: I watched them the story exactly. 639 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,759 Speaker 2: I watched my buddy's plane go down when a food 640 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 2: fighter was above it for a minute. 641 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a really good point, because that would 642 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 4: mean that if they were these devices, that would mean 643 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 4: they had one hundred percent failure rate as far as 644 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 4: the bombs go. 645 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 2: And maybe they did, and. 646 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 4: Maybe they did. Maybe that's the reason you don't see 647 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 4: them now. Uh, maybe that's why they're not all around, 648 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 4: you know, O'Har and Hartsfield and Lax or whatever. But 649 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 4: the but there's also I think there's a really uh 650 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 4: there's the imami of theory building right, Like there's this tasty, 651 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 4: compelling thing that can explain a couple of aspects here. So, okay, 652 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 4: if there was some sort of powered aerial mine parachute 653 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 4: contraption over there in the Korean Peninsula when this artillery 654 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: fire was happening, they were watching that village from afar, 655 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 4: then maybe you wouldn't hear or see the explosion amid 656 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 4: all the all the artillery, right, which also detonates in 657 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 4: the air. 658 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 3: Maybe you. 659 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 4: But he shot it with the M one, right, He 660 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 4: shot at the M one, which has an effective range 661 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 4: of five hundred yards, so he's close enough to hit 662 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 4: it with a solid ping right, and then it went nuts. 663 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 4: It went haywire, which does sound like a malfunctioning engine 664 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 4: taking fire. I don't know. It's just compelling, and yet 665 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 4: it's not one hundred percent, But it's way more certain 666 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 4: than saying aliens showed up and what was our other 667 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 4: one time travelers? 668 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think this is what it is. 669 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: You're right, Ben, It's a way better explanation for that 670 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: specific sighting during the Korean. 671 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 4: War, but maybe not all though fighters. 672 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I think that. I think that's what we've 673 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 2: got here, at least in my mind. 674 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 4: And this sort of stuff, these thought experiments, this tracing 675 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,320 Speaker 4: of breadcrumbs. It's incredibly important to do this because as 676 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 4: as we're learning, I don't think any of us knew 677 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 4: about these aerial mines right before we got your letter, Kevin. 678 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 4: And the technology is so simple, like to your point, 679 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 4: now it makes sense to use this despite its disadvantages. 680 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 4: It's probably cheap to produce its scale if it's not 681 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 4: a powered version. This is also before radar reached its 682 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 4: current you know, its current state, so if you wait 683 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 4: easier to deploy this stuff. I'm like, I'm like eighty 684 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: five percent short that Kevin is onto something. I just 685 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 4: don't know what. What do you guys think? 686 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, Like, I think Matt's point is 687 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 3: really very smart. The idea if this were the phenomenon 688 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 3: that was causing these sightings, they would be associated with 689 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 3: planes getting attacked, agreed, I. 690 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: Gottas They also like your idea though, Ben that if 691 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,399 Speaker 2: there's artillery going off everywhere and a plane takes a hit, 692 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 2: how do you know it wasn't one of these things 693 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: and the artillery fire instead. That's a really good point. 694 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 3: I think the. 695 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 4: First Foo fighter that got that name, I think they 696 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 4: came around in nineteen forty four, so this would have 697 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,600 Speaker 4: been before the Korean War. And looking at the patents 698 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 4: that you're mentioning, Kevin, we're talking about late thirties. 699 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well the patent for the mechanism one, the 700 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,359 Speaker 2: one that's powered, was nineteen forty. 701 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 4: Curious or and curious her, right, So I believe we 702 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 4: should do more digging into little known or obscure technology 703 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 4: of ages past, right, because we know that human civilization 704 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 4: will walk away from technology for any number of reasons. 705 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 3: Right. 706 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 4: I'm thinking, of course, of the fact that we can't 707 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 4: just hop on a locky jet right now and get 708 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,240 Speaker 4: to Europe way faster. I'm thinking of the fact that 709 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,480 Speaker 4: we can't buy a blimp, which is egregious. 710 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 3: They're just too expensive. Yeah, it wouldn't be fun though. 711 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 3: There were like blimp dealerships, you know, just for like 712 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 3: just to go check them out and take them for 713 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 3: a test drive around the block, you guys. 714 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,920 Speaker 2: I saw, yes, because I saw a video that I 715 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 2: could not identify whether or not it was real or 716 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 2: a deep fake of some sort or CGI, and I 717 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 2: got really frustrated because it felt like it wasn't real. 718 00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,000 Speaker 2: But then you also know it aligns with some of 719 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,400 Speaker 2: this company's goals and what they're doing. It was a 720 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,960 Speaker 2: video of an Amazon blimp and Big Amazon, and it 721 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 2: was deploying drones, so it had two flaps beneath it 722 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 2: to actually deploy drones, so it looked like a swarm. 723 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 2: If you saw it at night, it would look like 724 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,800 Speaker 2: a large vehicle with some flashing lights that you couldn't 725 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 2: really make out the shape, and then a bunch of 726 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 2: small flashing lights descending from it and deploying from it, 727 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 2: so hidden lights that don't exist, and then all of 728 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 2: a sudden there are a bunch of lights coming out 729 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 2: of it and flying around in it. 730 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 4: That's interesting. 731 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 2: It seems to match up with some UFO sightings that 732 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 2: have occurred pretty recently. 733 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 4: You know what that reminds me of? That reminds me 734 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 4: of the Akron class, the airships. There were only like 735 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,120 Speaker 4: two of them, and they kind of sucked, but they 736 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 4: were airships that were okay, Like in Marvel comic books. 737 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 4: You know, Shield has their helicarriers, right, This is like 738 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 4: a helicarrier, but it's a blimp and it could deploy 739 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 4: these tiny planes from the bottom. I mean, we talked 740 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 4: about this and car stuff or something. It's another piece 741 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,200 Speaker 4: of technology that humanity walked away from. But more and more, 742 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,399 Speaker 4: I'm thinking we might be able to explain a lot 743 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 4: of these UFO sightings, not all of them, but a 744 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 4: lot of them during World War two and the nineteen 745 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 4: fifties by looking into these obscure, forgotten technological innovations. All right, 746 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 4: Kevin's got us on the case to paraphrase, to paraphrase 747 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 4: our pal, Casey Pegram. 748 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 3: Yes, indeed he needs to be paraphrase every now, and 749 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 3: the things he contains multitudes. 750 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 4: Now, he would say that he doesn't like being paraphrase 751 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 4: because he chooses his words with great precision. 752 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:22,280 Speaker 3: That's very true. 753 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 4: So Casey, if you are listening, thanks for tuning in. Man, 754 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,400 Speaker 4: And if you have a lead on obscure technology, if 755 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 4: you have some thoughts on cern on alchemy, if on 756 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,879 Speaker 4: the Smurfs, on smurfs, if you have lived in Upstart 757 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, or you have some more insider info 758 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 4: or if you just want to be part of the show. 759 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 4: We would love to hear from you. Please hit us 760 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 4: up online on the phone or in email. 761 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 3: Yes. Online. We can be reached via the handle Conspiracy Stuff, 762 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,759 Speaker 3: which exists on Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook, where we have 763 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 3: a Facebook group here where it gets Conspiracy Stuff show 764 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040 Speaker 3: is what we are on Instagram and tickety talk. 765 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 2: Don't forget we have a book. It's still there, it's 766 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 2: still available. You can find it. It's called stuff they 767 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,920 Speaker 2: don't want you to know. Look for it wherever books 768 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 2: are sold. Hey, do you like calling people. 769 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 4: If that's the case and you don't sip social meds, 770 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,759 Speaker 4: you're more of a ear to mouth person, then we 771 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 4: have good news for you. All you have to do 772 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,799 Speaker 4: is dial the handy number on your telephonic device. That's 773 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 4: one eight three three std WYTK. You'll hear a voice 774 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 4: and then you'll hear a beep like so beep. That 775 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,880 Speaker 4: is your cue that you're off to the races. You 776 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 4: have three minutes. They're yours. Go nuts, go wild, go ham, 777 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 4: go ahead and save that number in case the abyss responds, 778 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,279 Speaker 4: we would love it if you do the following. Give 779 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 4: yourself a street name, a moniker, give us the name 780 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 4: you would use and witness protection. Let us know if 781 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,759 Speaker 4: we can use your voice and or message on the air, 782 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,880 Speaker 4: And most importantly, if you have a story it's sources 783 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 4: like Kevin sent us. If you have photographs, if you 784 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,319 Speaker 4: have video you want us to look at, why not 785 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 4: send us a good old fashioned email. We read every 786 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,520 Speaker 4: single one we get. All you have to do is 787 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 4: drop us. 788 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:33,439 Speaker 3: A line where we are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 789 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 790 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. 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