WEBVTT - Leilani Dowding - Where's My Vaxx Apology 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to The buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.577 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeart Radio app 0:00:17.857 --> 0:00:21.097 or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, everybody, welcome to 0:00:21.137 --> 0:00:23.777 another episode of The buck Sexton Show. Very pleased to 0:00:23.857 --> 0:00:28.577 be joined by first time on this program, Leilani Doubting. 0:00:28.777 --> 0:00:32.457 She is a UK based commentator. You see her on 0:00:32.617 --> 0:00:36.697 gb News. Her Twitter game is fierce. She's also formerly 0:00:37.137 --> 0:00:39.897 from the Real Housewives of Cheshire, which I hope I 0:00:39.937 --> 0:00:43.097 am pronouncing correctly. Leilani, thank you very much for being 0:00:43.097 --> 0:00:45.857 here with us. Appreciated. Thank you for having me on it. 0:00:46.497 --> 0:00:52.337 So I first became aware of your commentary, your punditry 0:00:52.697 --> 0:00:55.577 during COVID when many of us were locked away. I 0:00:55.577 --> 0:00:57.297 don't know where you were in the UK during and 0:00:57.377 --> 0:00:59.257 I was in New York City in Midtown in the 0:00:59.257 --> 0:01:04.457 middle of the abject lunacy. I saw the hospital ship floating, 0:01:04.857 --> 0:01:06.857 floating by my window, literally saw it as it was 0:01:06.897 --> 0:01:09.457 going up the Hudson because I was living in midtown 0:01:09.457 --> 0:01:12.377 Manhattan and everything was, you know, lockdown at the end 0:01:12.417 --> 0:01:13.737 of the world. And then there were some of us 0:01:13.817 --> 0:01:16.617 who were saying, hey, guys, this is a really crazy idea, 0:01:16.657 --> 0:01:18.857 This whole lockdown thing, right, and you were very early 0:01:18.937 --> 0:01:21.817 in that. What's it like now as you look around 0:01:21.857 --> 0:01:24.617 the UK? I wanted to fast forward to the current 0:01:25.097 --> 0:01:27.777 moment when you look around and all these people who 0:01:27.817 --> 0:01:30.057 did all this stuff, are any of them? Sorry? Do 0:01:30.097 --> 0:01:31.177 any of them come up to you and say you 0:01:31.217 --> 0:01:34.577 were right? Like? How is it from your perspective? Yeah, 0:01:34.617 --> 0:01:37.417 this is the craziest thing. No one has ever apologized 0:01:37.457 --> 0:01:40.257 to me and said sorry. And I've lost so many friends. 0:01:40.537 --> 0:01:44.257 I mean literally, I had just moved back actually, at 0:01:44.257 --> 0:01:46.857 the time of lockdown, I had just moved back from 0:01:46.897 --> 0:01:49.137 Los Angeles to England, so I was in the middle 0:01:49.137 --> 0:01:51.617 of the country in Staffordshire. So I had a lot 0:01:51.657 --> 0:01:55.617 of friends in Los Angeles who was seeing my posts 0:01:55.737 --> 0:01:59.457 who were really angry at me. They were so angry 0:01:59.497 --> 0:02:03.097 at me. I've kind of lost touch with them. No 0:02:03.097 --> 0:02:06.057 one's ever reached out and said anything, the UK is 0:02:06.137 --> 0:02:08.817 really free now. I feel like I lost a lot 0:02:08.817 --> 0:02:10.937 of friends, But then I also made a whole bunch 0:02:10.977 --> 0:02:14.737 of new friends. And those are people that didn't want 0:02:14.777 --> 0:02:20.217 to lockdown, refuse to lock down, and kind of very vocal. 0:02:20.297 --> 0:02:21.937 I met them at a lot of the protests that 0:02:21.977 --> 0:02:25.537 were going on and so and forth. And the strange 0:02:25.537 --> 0:02:29.017 thing is is that in the Uki seems very different 0:02:29.017 --> 0:02:32.497 to Los Angeles, and right now everyone just is like, 0:02:32.577 --> 0:02:35.857 we'd never do it again, but yet no one's actually 0:02:35.897 --> 0:02:40.257 apologized for it. It's it's astonishing at what point for 0:02:40.337 --> 0:02:43.297 you was at the beginning, because now here we are 0:02:43.377 --> 0:02:46.177 and it's they just had Karine Jean Pierre. I'm sure 0:02:46.177 --> 0:02:48.577 you see stuff going on with US politics. Karine Jean 0:02:48.577 --> 0:02:51.177 Pierre in the White House was just reminding everybody, hey, 0:02:51.177 --> 0:02:53.617 COVID's not over. And some of us want to just 0:02:53.697 --> 0:02:55.337 jump up and scream. We're like, well, what does that 0:02:55.337 --> 0:02:57.297 even mean? I mean, the common call is also not over. 0:02:57.377 --> 0:02:59.897 The flu is not over. You know, your vaccines don't 0:02:59.937 --> 0:03:03.017 stop the spread, they don't work. What is really you know, 0:03:03.017 --> 0:03:04.577 maybe they work as well as a flu shot and 0:03:04.617 --> 0:03:08.857 a good year, maybe for about two months at best. 0:03:09.137 --> 0:03:13.577 So we're sitting around, Okay, what's really the situation? I remember, 0:03:13.897 --> 0:03:16.457 for me, the hard break with the consensus or the 0:03:16.457 --> 0:03:19.017 apparatus was when all of a sudden, Fauci went from 0:03:19.017 --> 0:03:22.417 masks don't work to on no masks are essential. And 0:03:22.457 --> 0:03:26.297 that was like April of twenty twenty, right, exactly. So 0:03:26.377 --> 0:03:30.617 there was that, and the masks were going on in America, 0:03:30.657 --> 0:03:33.137 I think way before they were in the UK. They 0:03:33.177 --> 0:03:37.177 became mounta Tree in the US a lot sooner. And 0:03:37.217 --> 0:03:39.537 it was all very strange to me. My friend's ninety 0:03:39.617 --> 0:03:42.097 year old grandma who wasn't in a care home, she 0:03:42.137 --> 0:03:44.657 was being looked after her in her own home. She 0:03:44.737 --> 0:03:49.937 had cancer, she has Alzheimer's and she got COVID and 0:03:50.057 --> 0:03:53.017 she got better. And to me, I was like, hold 0:03:53.017 --> 0:03:54.977 on a minute, this is supposed to be the most 0:03:55.057 --> 0:03:58.897 vulnerable and she's got better from it. So what is 0:03:58.937 --> 0:04:00.937 going on? I need to step back from what the 0:04:00.977 --> 0:04:03.177 media were telling me. I need to step back from 0:04:03.417 --> 0:04:05.857 like this death count that we're seeing on the news 0:04:05.937 --> 0:04:07.937 every day, and I need to look at what's going 0:04:07.977 --> 0:04:12.017 on around me and to see a lot of vulnerable 0:04:12.057 --> 0:04:14.857 people that I knew, or people that would be in 0:04:14.857 --> 0:04:18.377 that kind of category, get COVID and be better. In 0:04:18.417 --> 0:04:23.977 addition to no advice on being getting healthy, doing everything 0:04:24.177 --> 0:04:27.017 kind of opposite to what a normal healthy person would do, 0:04:27.057 --> 0:04:28.937 Like you know, in the UK, they were saying we 0:04:28.937 --> 0:04:31.457 could only leave the house for an hour a day, right, 0:04:31.457 --> 0:04:33.417 that makes no sense to me. How do you get 0:04:33.457 --> 0:04:36.537 your vitamin D, how do you get like sunshine, fresh air? 0:04:36.817 --> 0:04:39.097 Like you need all of that right to be a 0:04:39.097 --> 0:04:42.817 healthy person. So it was all very very counterintuitive to me, 0:04:42.897 --> 0:04:45.897 and I was like, hold on. And in addition to that, 0:04:45.937 --> 0:04:49.337 I was watching and I always have watched alternative doctors, 0:04:49.737 --> 0:04:54.937 so like doctor Basha Batar sorry, and then oh doctor 0:04:55.137 --> 0:04:57.817 is it doctor Shiva? I was watching right at the start, 0:04:58.337 --> 0:05:00.777 so I was seeing these other people have a different 0:05:00.857 --> 0:05:03.537 view and kind of saying like when you when there's 0:05:03.737 --> 0:05:07.137 viruses around, you need to take these vitamins or these 0:05:07.417 --> 0:05:10.857 And then obviously vitamins and minerals were then an spiracy theory, 0:05:10.897 --> 0:05:13.937 and you were like some far right conspiracy theorist if 0:05:13.977 --> 0:05:17.057 you thought that taking supplements would ever be good for 0:05:17.097 --> 0:05:19.577 your health and a fresh air and sunlight or any 0:05:19.617 --> 0:05:21.657 of these things were good for you. And so we 0:05:21.777 --> 0:05:24.497 all just none of it made sense. It all just 0:05:24.617 --> 0:05:27.017 made zero sense at all to me. And that's kind 0:05:27.017 --> 0:05:29.977 of when I said, let's hold on a minute. You know, 0:05:30.097 --> 0:05:32.497 what is what is going on here? Did you have 0:05:32.577 --> 0:05:37.377 the same level of craziness with you in the US 0:05:37.457 --> 0:05:39.697 we had. I remember it was the playground that was 0:05:39.777 --> 0:05:41.817 right near my house. You know, the park had some 0:05:41.857 --> 0:05:45.497 sports field things like that, they padlocked it. They pulled 0:05:45.537 --> 0:05:49.217 the rims off of basketball courts so that nobody could 0:05:49.297 --> 0:05:52.257 go out and shoot hoops by themselves or in a group. 0:05:52.857 --> 0:05:56.817 They created little circles in the ground and told people 0:05:56.897 --> 0:05:58.537 if you go to the park, if we happen to 0:05:58.577 --> 0:06:00.817 have a park that's open at some point, this is 0:06:00.857 --> 0:06:03.377 where you have to sit for social distancing. We had 0:06:03.417 --> 0:06:07.537 little foot pedals in elevators where you were in an elevator, right, 0:06:07.537 --> 0:06:09.577 so this would be like foot pedals in a telephone 0:06:09.617 --> 0:06:13.017 booth because you know, it's not like there's a lot 0:06:13.057 --> 0:06:15.537 of room, you know, And did you have all of 0:06:15.537 --> 0:06:17.817 that stuff too, I mean, I'm just wondering. Obviously I 0:06:17.857 --> 0:06:20.217 couldn't travel during COVID, so I couldn't see how it 0:06:20.377 --> 0:06:22.817 was elsewhere. But in New York it was you did 0:06:22.857 --> 0:06:26.937 have that. Yeah, we did. So we had arrows in supermarkets, 0:06:26.977 --> 0:06:28.817 so you had to go a certain way around the 0:06:28.817 --> 0:06:33.377 aisles so that you were never going in the opposite direction. 0:06:34.257 --> 0:06:38.697 The playgrounds were all fenced off, even park benches, so 0:06:38.817 --> 0:06:42.177 there was a weird rule that you could go for 0:06:42.217 --> 0:06:45.217 a walk, but you weren't allowed to sit down with 0:06:45.817 --> 0:06:48.057 a friend or anybody. You weren't allowed to sit down 0:06:48.057 --> 0:06:50.977 on a park bench, and you weren't allowed to take 0:06:51.817 --> 0:06:54.297 say a coffee with you or a cup of tea 0:06:54.377 --> 0:06:56.417 because that even though it was cold, it was like 0:06:56.497 --> 0:06:58.697 freezing cold. You weren't allowed to take a coffee or 0:06:58.737 --> 0:07:00.977 a cup of tea because that would class as a picnic. 0:07:01.217 --> 0:07:03.097 And you weren't allowed to have picnics. You could only 0:07:03.137 --> 0:07:06.337 have exercise walks. So this is how stupid it got. 0:07:06.377 --> 0:07:08.897 And I laughed now because I just at the time, 0:07:08.977 --> 0:07:14.617 I was so like, physically it wasn't COVID that was 0:07:14.657 --> 0:07:18.777 what scaring me. It was the controls that was scaring me. 0:07:18.897 --> 0:07:22.497 And I got physically ill from it, and I felt anxiety. 0:07:23.497 --> 0:07:27.817 Um it was it was. It was a physical feeling 0:07:27.857 --> 0:07:32.737 that I felt right from, like this authority just closing 0:07:32.777 --> 0:07:40.097 in on us. And and I want, I want to 0:07:40.097 --> 0:07:42.417 ask you how much of this do you think ties 0:07:42.457 --> 0:07:45.257 into you know, in the US A lot of the 0:07:45.257 --> 0:07:49.137 time when we debate healthcare in any respect, people on 0:07:49.177 --> 0:07:51.097 the left here will say, well, we should just have 0:07:51.217 --> 0:07:53.977 what the what the British have with the National Health 0:07:54.017 --> 0:07:56.697 Service because everything is free and it's amazing and that's 0:07:56.737 --> 0:08:00.617 the line, and my understanding is one that's not particularly true. 0:08:00.657 --> 0:08:03.377 But also, how much of of of the lockdown do 0:08:03.417 --> 0:08:06.937 you think was pushed by or possible? Because your government 0:08:06.937 --> 0:08:09.457 and healthcare service ours are very much intertwined, more than 0:08:09.457 --> 0:08:11.777 people realize, but yours are one and the same. I mean, 0:08:11.857 --> 0:08:14.337 the government is the NHS and the NHS is the government, 0:08:14.417 --> 0:08:18.097 right right, And so it was persh And then we 0:08:18.177 --> 0:08:20.377 had this thing where at eight pm on a Thursday night, 0:08:20.377 --> 0:08:23.297 people would come out and they would clap for the NHS. Meanwhile, 0:08:23.697 --> 0:08:28.177 the NHS doctors and nurses we're making TikTok videos. You know, 0:08:28.217 --> 0:08:30.417 they were supposed to be overrun in the hospitals and 0:08:30.577 --> 0:08:32.497 so busy, but they had time to make all these 0:08:32.537 --> 0:08:36.377 like TikTok videos and these dances, and people would couses 0:08:36.377 --> 0:08:41.497 and clap for them. And meanwhile they were stopping cancer 0:08:41.577 --> 0:08:44.657 patients from getting their treatments. They were people were too 0:08:44.697 --> 0:08:47.417 afraid to go into the hospitals because of all the 0:08:47.537 --> 0:08:51.577 fear being pumped out. So but having lived in both countries, 0:08:51.657 --> 0:08:57.337 I would say, obviously, private healthcare it's going to be 0:08:57.337 --> 0:08:59.537 a lot better than the NHS. Like the waiting list 0:08:59.657 --> 0:09:02.897 here are crazy what happens if I want to get 0:09:02.897 --> 0:09:04.337 in if i want to get knee surgery, and I'm 0:09:04.337 --> 0:09:06.657 living in the UK, I'm just like an everyday guy. 0:09:06.737 --> 0:09:08.977 I need to get knee surgery. What's that? Like? How 0:09:08.977 --> 0:09:12.417 long do I wait? Well? Okay, So first of all, 0:09:12.457 --> 0:09:14.657 you need to try and get a doctor's appointment, right, 0:09:14.697 --> 0:09:18.337 and even now it's so impossible. There's like so many backlogs. 0:09:18.577 --> 0:09:20.737 You have to call up at say nine o'clock in 0:09:20.737 --> 0:09:23.377 the morning or eight o'clock in the morning, stay in 0:09:23.417 --> 0:09:26.257 line to try and get an appointment over the phone 0:09:26.257 --> 0:09:29.177 because a lot of doctors still won't even see you, right, 0:09:29.217 --> 0:09:32.337 This is the craziest thing. Yeah, and then there's and 0:09:32.737 --> 0:09:36.017 then you know, and then people can't get their appointments. 0:09:36.017 --> 0:09:38.617 So what they then do is they go into emergency care. 0:09:39.177 --> 0:09:41.857 So like you know, your eer, people will go into 0:09:41.857 --> 0:09:44.857 the emergency care because they're not feeling well. So then 0:09:44.897 --> 0:09:49.817 that's overrun, right, So then they've also sacked I think 0:09:49.857 --> 0:09:54.137 they've sacked forty thousand care workers, so not necessarily nurses 0:09:54.137 --> 0:09:57.257 and doctors, but the care workers that care for people 0:09:57.737 --> 0:10:03.017 want they leave hospital, which is then bedlock bedlock the beds, 0:10:03.057 --> 0:10:05.897 so they're filled with people that could go back to 0:10:05.937 --> 0:10:08.137 their house but can't. And this is because of the 0:10:08.217 --> 0:10:11.377 vaccine mandates, right, And that was the only sector actually 0:10:11.417 --> 0:10:14.937 the did vaccine mandates because there were so many protests 0:10:14.937 --> 0:10:17.817 in the UK that they never got round to actually 0:10:18.177 --> 0:10:20.977 mandating it for doctors and nurses. 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By the way, and back to health, Leilani, 0:11:45.217 --> 0:11:46.817 what's going on over there now? Do you guys still 0:11:46.857 --> 0:11:48.977 you know Novac joke? Bitch? You and I are both 0:11:49.217 --> 0:11:51.177 been watching the tennis. I saw you tweeting about it. 0:11:51.937 --> 0:11:54.297 I'm a rafa guy personally. A tennis is one of 0:11:54.297 --> 0:11:56.177 the few sports you know, my co hosts on radio 0:11:56.337 --> 0:11:58.497 loves like all professional sports, tennis is one of the 0:11:58.537 --> 0:12:01.137 only ones I panny attention to. I love Rafa Nadal, 0:12:01.697 --> 0:12:03.617 but I do think that maybe Djokovic is just gonna 0:12:03.617 --> 0:12:06.017 have to be crowned the greatest of all time. He 0:12:06.137 --> 0:12:08.497 may win all three majors this year leading into the 0:12:08.577 --> 0:12:13.737 US Open. He's still cannot actually attend the US Open 0:12:13.817 --> 0:12:16.537 because he has not been vaccinated and the US requires 0:12:16.577 --> 0:12:19.937 non citizens to be vaccinated before they come in. How 0:12:19.977 --> 0:12:22.417 crazy and stupid can things get before they have to relent? 0:12:22.497 --> 0:12:25.497 What do you think? I don't know. I have no 0:12:25.577 --> 0:12:28.577 idea what Biden's thinking, Oh the administration. I have no 0:12:28.697 --> 0:12:31.657 clue what is going on, and it blows my mind. Luckily, 0:12:31.697 --> 0:12:33.377 I'm a dual citizen, so if I want to go 0:12:33.417 --> 0:12:36.657 back to America, I can. But to think that so 0:12:36.697 --> 0:12:39.097 many of my friends can't, and a lot of them 0:12:39.657 --> 0:12:42.577 can't leave Los Angeles because they can't get back in. 0:12:42.697 --> 0:12:44.857 They can't, you know, they can't go home and see 0:12:44.857 --> 0:12:47.297 their parents. They haven't seen their families in you know, 0:12:47.457 --> 0:12:50.777 three years. A lot of my makes pat phones out there. 0:12:50.777 --> 0:12:55.697 They can't get back into the country. So it's it's 0:12:55.777 --> 0:12:58.177 so insane to me, and to think that this is 0:12:58.217 --> 0:13:01.297 all supposed to be about health. You know, this is 0:13:01.337 --> 0:13:04.497 like the fittest guy on the planet and probably and 0:13:04.537 --> 0:13:08.737 he can't get into America. It's it's madness. But here, 0:13:09.017 --> 0:13:12.577 like I said, so tell me, tell me what's going 0:13:12.577 --> 0:13:14.337 on in the UK with regard to these policies. Do 0:13:14.377 --> 0:13:19.337 they still have some lingering COVID lunacy? So there's no mandates. 0:13:19.657 --> 0:13:23.137 They actually never got round to doing vaccine mandates for 0:13:23.257 --> 0:13:26.937 any jobs other than the care the care workers because 0:13:26.937 --> 0:13:28.977 of all the protests that went on, because there would 0:13:29.017 --> 0:13:31.977 have been massive strikes in the NHS and all sorts, 0:13:32.017 --> 0:13:35.417 and as I said, the NHS is like really overloaded, 0:13:37.537 --> 0:13:40.777 so they didn't do that. You do see some people 0:13:40.897 --> 0:13:44.417 still wandering around in masks, and it blows my mind. 0:13:44.497 --> 0:13:48.497 And usually they're kind of very unhealthy looking people, and 0:13:48.617 --> 0:13:50.817 I think to myself, God, you know, you've had three 0:13:50.897 --> 0:13:53.577 years to take care of your health, but you choose 0:13:53.617 --> 0:13:57.777 a mask instead. But a lot is coming out in 0:13:57.817 --> 0:14:01.777 the newspapers as well. Just today it's been announced that 0:14:01.817 --> 0:14:05.857 apparently they had sections of the army actually looking at 0:14:05.937 --> 0:14:12.097 the social media of people they considered lockdown skeptic or antibaxes. 0:14:13.137 --> 0:14:15.497 So you know, like kind of the Twitter files, how 0:14:15.537 --> 0:14:19.937 your government was involved. Our army is being said to 0:14:20.017 --> 0:14:23.657 be involved, so obviously that's the government, the seventy seventh 0:14:23.657 --> 0:14:30.457 Brigades fighting disinformation. So this is astonishing. So your military 0:14:30.497 --> 0:14:36.417 intelligence in the UK was looking at COVID dissidents as 0:14:36.457 --> 0:14:40.057 a possible I assume health and therefore safety threat. And 0:14:40.257 --> 0:14:43.857 wasn't Peter Hitchins, the brother of the late Christian Hitchins, 0:14:43.937 --> 0:14:48.097 on that list. Yes, yes he was, Yeah, he was, 0:14:48.137 --> 0:14:50.777 which is weird because he writes for the Daily Mail. 0:14:51.737 --> 0:14:54.257 And I actually had a really bad hit piece done 0:14:54.257 --> 0:14:57.537 on me by the Daily Mail, and a journalist called 0:14:57.537 --> 0:15:00.377 me up and she asked me my thoughts on Jock 0:15:00.457 --> 0:15:02.777 Fitch when this was like a year ago, right when 0:15:02.777 --> 0:15:05.017 he wasn't going to be allowed into Australia or he 0:15:05.057 --> 0:15:07.897 was going to be deported, and I think the word 0:15:07.937 --> 0:15:11.017 refuse nick was going round, so I called myself a 0:15:11.057 --> 0:15:14.377 proud refuse nick and she asked me about it. That night, 0:15:15.137 --> 0:15:18.257 my Instagram got taken down, which is probably where you 0:15:18.297 --> 0:15:22.017 saw me because prior to it being taken down, I 0:15:22.177 --> 0:15:26.297 was mainly on Instagram and not Twitter. But yeah, the 0:15:26.417 --> 0:15:29.377 night that she called me for a quote, my Instagram 0:15:29.417 --> 0:15:32.017 went down, So I think there were journalists kind of 0:15:32.137 --> 0:15:38.897 ratting out people as well. So yeah, it's amazing. They're 0:15:38.937 --> 0:15:41.537 supposed to be standing athwart the power of the state 0:15:41.657 --> 0:15:44.137 and standing on the side of the people against concentrations 0:15:44.177 --> 0:15:47.777 of power. We saw throughout COVID in all Western societies 0:15:48.137 --> 0:15:52.097 the exact opposite of that that the journalistic enterprise, journalistic 0:15:52.257 --> 0:15:56.137 apparatus was used entirely as really with a few exceptions, 0:15:56.177 --> 0:15:59.897 but as an enforcement mechanism. And I mean I've had 0:15:59.937 --> 0:16:02.417 I had hit pieces written on me too about things 0:16:02.457 --> 0:16:04.337 like I actually had a hit piece written on me 0:16:04.377 --> 0:16:07.857 by a political fact checking organization because I said that 0:16:07.937 --> 0:16:10.897 masks outside outside or I mean side as ridiculous too, 0:16:10.977 --> 0:16:13.537 but outside you're completely out of your mind. They're like, no, 0:16:13.737 --> 0:16:16.017 they're still dispute about this. It's not true to say that. 0:16:16.417 --> 0:16:18.177 And what's amazing because no one ever goes back and 0:16:18.297 --> 0:16:20.257 changes or corrects any of this, So it really does 0:16:20.337 --> 0:16:23.977 have kind of a Soviet feel. I mean the Daily Mail. Wait, 0:16:24.057 --> 0:16:26.137 the Daily Mail came out, I would assume the Guardian 0:16:26.177 --> 0:16:27.977 would come after you, but I expect more from the 0:16:28.057 --> 0:16:31.137 Daily Mail. Yeah, no, it was the Daily Mail, the 0:16:31.217 --> 0:16:33.297 Mail on Sunday, which is part of the Daily Mail. 0:16:33.417 --> 0:16:36.417 But yeah, no, I think they did it about a 0:16:36.497 --> 0:16:39.137 few people. Actually it was the people on social media 0:16:39.697 --> 0:16:45.417 have a presence that apparently we're causing vaccine hesitancy and 0:16:45.737 --> 0:16:51.377 we're causing people to die. Basically how the article went, yeah, 0:16:51.497 --> 0:16:54.057 you were killing grandma. It turns out I over here 0:16:54.097 --> 0:16:56.097 in the US was killing grandma as well when I 0:16:56.177 --> 0:16:59.377 was pointing out that telling people to stay home for 0:16:59.537 --> 0:17:01.537 a finite period of time before they have to go 0:17:01.657 --> 0:17:05.097 back to some semblance of normal life, and also only 0:17:05.177 --> 0:17:08.057 telling about thirty percent of people who work that they 0:17:08.057 --> 0:17:10.857 should stay home while everybody else is essential, so they 0:17:10.977 --> 0:17:14.137 keep going to work and getting sick and spreading the virus. Anyway, 0:17:14.417 --> 0:17:17.537 this was an idea that was beyond lunacy. And what 0:17:17.697 --> 0:17:20.377 one thing that I find has been troubling Leilate is 0:17:20.417 --> 0:17:24.017 that they were wrong about everything. And yet I feel 0:17:24.057 --> 0:17:26.817 like everybody who pushed the stuff, they act like everything's fine, 0:17:27.057 --> 0:17:29.457 like they got it right and we just move forward. 0:17:29.697 --> 0:17:31.977 And I'm seeing here, I'm still pissed off. I have 0:17:32.097 --> 0:17:35.257 not let this go at all. Maybe that's no, I 0:17:35.417 --> 0:17:38.017 agree with you. I mean when you see people like, 0:17:38.337 --> 0:17:39.897 you know, I don't know if you know who Pierce 0:17:39.977 --> 0:17:45.577 Morgan is out, Yeah, viewers right, so he was their 0:17:45.697 --> 0:17:48.577 trial that came out his mouth like he was an 0:17:48.697 --> 0:17:53.137 establishment mask foucy guy, wasn't he. I'm sure Piers just 0:17:54.017 --> 0:17:57.537 evil and he just went, well, you know, when the 0:17:57.657 --> 0:18:01.737 facts changed, my opinion changed, as though I was like, 0:18:01.857 --> 0:18:05.697 hold on a minute, Pierce. Facts don't change. Opinions always change. 0:18:05.817 --> 0:18:08.777 Science changes. That's the whole thing. Like you know all 0:18:08.857 --> 0:18:12.617 these people that say I trust the science. Science is evolving. 0:18:12.737 --> 0:18:16.617 It's not like mathematics where it's set right. So it's 0:18:16.697 --> 0:18:19.577 like what Piers Morgan says, when the facts change. No, 0:18:20.097 --> 0:18:22.857 facts are facts. Facts don't change. You just never had 0:18:22.897 --> 0:18:25.017 the facts right and you weren't prepared to listen to 0:18:25.137 --> 0:18:27.897 the facts. And that's the thing. And it's all coming out. 0:18:27.977 --> 0:18:30.097 It's kind of like it's it's change because it's all 0:18:30.217 --> 0:18:35.177 dripping out in little bits. And I don't know whether 0:18:35.657 --> 0:18:39.337 that's because they have to do it that way, because 0:18:39.377 --> 0:18:42.137 if everyone finds out that if the people that you 0:18:42.217 --> 0:18:46.577 know believed what the mainstream were saying and believed what 0:18:46.657 --> 0:18:50.137 our politicians were saying, if they've found out the lies 0:18:50.337 --> 0:18:52.617 that went on all at once, I don't know what 0:18:52.697 --> 0:18:54.937 would happen. You know, it would just be so explosive 0:18:55.057 --> 0:18:57.297 that I think they have to like just drip feed 0:18:57.377 --> 0:18:59.817 out these little bits and bobs. I have said that 0:18:59.937 --> 0:19:02.777 to friends, by the way that I am. One argument 0:19:02.897 --> 0:19:06.377 that I don't think is I think it's partially correct. 0:19:07.097 --> 0:19:12.137 Is that a full accounting for how wrong the CDC 0:19:12.657 --> 0:19:16.897 and how honestly useless and even counterproductive. It was the 0:19:17.017 --> 0:19:19.257 only argument I could have or I can listen to 0:19:19.497 --> 0:19:22.537 against basically tear it down to the studs and it's 0:19:22.577 --> 0:19:26.417 a complete disaster. Is you know the CDC does you know, 0:19:26.577 --> 0:19:31.177 provide funding for some you know, for you know, HIV research, 0:19:31.297 --> 0:19:33.977 and it does things that that are are worthwhile and 0:19:34.097 --> 0:19:37.577 when it tells people to uh, you know that there's 0:19:37.617 --> 0:19:39.897 some health aspects that it shares, not very many, but 0:19:40.057 --> 0:19:42.657 that are good. Basically, what I'm saying is I worry 0:19:42.657 --> 0:19:45.617 that people won't believe the CDC now on almost anything right. 0:19:45.657 --> 0:19:47.897 I mean, that's the only argument against doing a full 0:19:47.937 --> 0:19:50.657 breakdown of everything that got wrong is then people won't 0:19:50.697 --> 0:19:52.777 listen to them about anything, including some of the things 0:19:52.817 --> 0:19:55.217 that they say are are true. I don't know if 0:19:55.257 --> 0:19:57.257 that's a feeling you have in the UK too, But 0:19:57.417 --> 0:20:00.257 because the CDC here was an an abject disaster, I 0:20:00.337 --> 0:20:03.377 mean absolutely, the Centers for Disease Control got everything wrong, 0:20:03.537 --> 0:20:07.937 especially the vaccine stuff. And that's the funny thing, isn't it. 0:20:08.017 --> 0:20:11.857 It's like people. I think they depend on people forgetting 0:20:12.017 --> 0:20:15.057 and the short memory people have. So you know, it 0:20:15.257 --> 0:20:20.217 was within like six months of Biden saying literally Biden 0:20:20.377 --> 0:20:25.457 said this will stop the spread. It will stop the spread, 0:20:25.537 --> 0:20:28.217 Rachel Matter was saying, the virus will stop here. That's it. 0:20:28.337 --> 0:20:31.377 Take the vaccine, the virus stops. Then next thing, like 0:20:31.457 --> 0:20:33.857 six months later, it's like, no one said it stops 0:20:33.897 --> 0:20:36.977 the virus. It just makes your symptoms less. It's like, no, 0:20:37.257 --> 0:20:39.817 wait a minute, But they did say that, and they 0:20:39.977 --> 0:20:41.617 kind of said that was going to be our only 0:20:41.817 --> 0:20:46.297 way out of lockdown. And so they depend on people 0:20:46.457 --> 0:20:49.017 forgetting a lot of it, and you know, forgetting their 0:20:49.057 --> 0:20:52.097 anger as well that they had. Yeah, I think and 0:20:52.217 --> 0:20:54.937 I think you're right, and I think you're right as well. 0:20:55.017 --> 0:20:58.257 I think that it will make people really skeptical. I 0:20:58.297 --> 0:21:00.897 mean there's people now that are going to be skeptical 0:21:01.017 --> 0:21:04.097 of the old fashioned vaccines, not the mRNA vaccines. There 0:21:04.097 --> 0:21:05.857 are people that are going to be skeptical of all 0:21:05.977 --> 0:21:09.937 vaccines now because they pushed this one so hard. There's 0:21:09.937 --> 0:21:12.137 going to be people that are going to be very, 0:21:12.257 --> 0:21:17.217 very skeptical of big farm and probably you know rightly 0:21:17.337 --> 0:21:20.137 so to some extent that they don't believe everything that 0:21:20.217 --> 0:21:23.497 they get told in the future. Yes, I think the 0:21:23.857 --> 0:21:27.937