WEBVTT - Skyline Drive: BTS Grandpas 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.320 Warning. In this episode, you'll be hearing about my dad 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:18.040 talk about astrology, baseball, k pop, heavy metal and they 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:22.040 hit us Hello and Stitch, and also growing up as 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.720 an immigrant, which I think is awesome. If you're not 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:28.960 into it, that's okay, but I hope you stick around. 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:38.720 And avitiation. 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:39.760 I feel amazing. 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.640 Amberta breaking end on a Monday, and the recredation and 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:45.480 killaborations give the attack. 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.239 Team fifth that it has been wrapping the affecting affacting. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.000 You know what that means, you know what is ridiculous. 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.560 My nemerologist told me that I should be eating bananas 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:59.000 every day and particularly on Wednesdays, and today is Wednesday. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.400 So I've got these tiny, tiny bananas that are maybe 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:04.640 half the. 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:05.800 Height of my palm. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.560 I'm gonna tear a couple off and eat them and 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:16.960 also press them into my palm. Back when I began 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.040 this show, doctor Kumar, the astrologer I met in Queen's 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.640 told me I should consider buying an emerald. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.720 It would be a good idea if you were an emerald. 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.200 Embrale is a gemstone for the planet Mercury to have 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.560 better communication, better connection. 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:35.840 Basically, it's a way of nudging the universe telling it 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.920 to boost the wearers communication skills. The truth is I 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.080 could use the help. I mean, I stutter and I mumble, 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.880 and I'm introverted, and here I am making a podcast. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:52.000 So I'm very tempted by a quick fix. So let's 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:54.280 see if this makes me more of a leader and 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.960 better at communicating. I think gems are a big part 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:03.040 of Indian astrology. They're used as duct tape quick solutions 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.880 to strengthen the deficiencies in your birth chart. For example, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.240 my mercury is weak, so an emerald can help compensate. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.160 The problem is that many astrologers are known for having 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.920 a tie in with a jeweler and taking a commission 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:23.400 for referrals, which makes me suspicious. But also I live 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.600 in New York City and I'm kind of a cheapskate. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:31.359 An emerald sounds pricey. That's why I was thrilled when 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:35.600 a different seer, doctor DV. Malhotra, who has a PhD 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.240 in numerology, told me to forget about jewelers and just 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.079 buy some bananas instead. Which is odd because. 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.480 I'm born and brought up in a daily jeweller family 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.120 and married to a Mumbai based jeweller family. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.799 Her house is filled with too many jewelers, and although 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.640 she's been surrounded by sparkly things all her life. 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.840 I don't recommend my clients to wear any semi precious stones. 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.600 To her, the magic isn't in the cut of the stone, 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:08.280 but in its color. 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.560 I heal them with the remedies, and my remedies are 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:19.560 very simple. You can eat banana apple. Yes, that's called 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:20.520 the color therapy. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.000 She believes that fruit can do what gems do for 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:28.480 a fraction of the price. So, after this intense and 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.640 complicated numerical analysis of my birth times and dates, she 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.600 hands me a thick packet of information that describes my 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:42.440 personality fairly accurately, along with my many flaws, and then 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.400 she recommends the colors that'll improve my life. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.760 Green and sun colors. You can use sun colors in 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.839 your life, so if you will touch colors to your 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:57.320 skin on every Wednesday, that will also help you out. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.880 Doctor Deva has no shortage of clients, but she has 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.040 a gripe with the way people seek help from her. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.120 She tells me that people only come when they're desperate 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:07.000 for solutions. 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:10.280 Basically, you know what I want to give awareness that 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.920 you go to any occult science healer. Don't go when 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.359 you are in pain, whether it's me or anybody else. 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:23.080 Work in the present to secure your future. Don't come 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.080 to me when your present is worst to secure your future. 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.440 Her notion is why can't people treat in numerologists like 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:33.200 a doctor the same way you do wellness checks to 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.719 stay healthy, keep your life in balance. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:37.960 I can't give you the result overnight. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.520 I don't go to the gym anymore, so maybe a 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.720 regular banana holding on Sundays and Wednesdays is how I'll 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.320 stay on top of things. Doctor Devia tells me it'll 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.159 be three to four months of this by the time 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.560 I see results, which I guess isn't any weirder than 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.080 believing in the power of a shiny stone. But I 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.920 do feel silly because it is silly. 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.239 It's so ridiculous. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.839 I moved from holding the banana at chest level with 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.479 two hands to raising the banana up to the sky 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:18.080 like it's Simba from the Lion King, and then I 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.640 eat it. I don't normally eat breakfast, so I'm happy 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:28.520 about that. Doctor Davia is right about astrology and the 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:33.320 moments we turned to it. Right now. Michelle fan A 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:37.200 prospective law school student and an on abashed BTS super 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:41.840 fan is in crisis because her favorite band is in crisis, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:43.839 just when she needs the most. 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.360 All of a sudden, the members are crying, and then 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:55.240 I'm crying and I don't know what's going on. I'm 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.800 texting my friends. I thought like my life was flashing 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.880 before my eyes, because here are these people who have 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.280 always have been so happy, and now they're being vulnerable 0:06:02.279 --> 0:06:05.320 with us, and they're crying. They're talking about it like 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.279 it's a breakup, even though they're saying it's not a breakup. 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:19.599 From Kaleidoscope and iHeart Podcasts, I'm Mongish Heartigular. Welcome to 0:06:19.600 --> 0:07:20.640 Skyland Drive Chapter one, T Shirts and boy Bands. Michelle, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.760 why don't you say your full name for me and 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.160 just give me a little introduction about yourself. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:25.960 Yeah. 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:30.600 Sure, my name is Michelle Fan. I am currently working 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.320 full time in human rights, but right now, with my 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.840 free time, I've been devoting it all to traveling and 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.400 keeping up with BTS's activities. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.000 From the moment I start chatting with Michelle, I like her. 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.480 She has this bubbly energy and this incredible sweetness that 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:51.280 I'm not expecting, maybe because I know a little bit 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.520 about her circumstance. One of her friends, my colleague Viny, 0:07:56.120 --> 0:08:00.920 is worried about her. Michelle is super smart, college Honor 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:05.080 Society aister, elsat smart, but it's been a year since 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.880 she graduated, and she hasn't filled out her law school 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:11.080 applications yet. She's been pushing it off for some reason, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:16.119 and her pals are wondering can astrology help, because maybe 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:19.720 you can give her the nuds she needs. But as 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.480 we talk, it's not clear to me how much Michelle 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.480 wants a reading for herself so much as she wants 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.840 it for BTS, the massive Korean pop group. 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.120 I would like to know about their future families and 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.240 how many kids they're going to have, and how long 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.000 they're going to keep doing this for and what kind 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.600 of music they'll do when they're like gray and old, 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.600 and if they'll still perform or like get together and 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:43.520 do things like that. 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:48.520 Michelle's a BTS superfan or what's known as army. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.280 You can't be a casual army, like. There's just something 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.760 that is so captivating about BTS. Once you're in it, 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.880 you're really in it, man, Like most of my closest 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.040 army friends are people that I already knew, and we 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.240 connected even more over this thing that we weren't really 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.800 embarrassed to like, but people wanted to make us embarrassed 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:09.120 to like. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.280 I feel guilty here because I'm technically anti boy band. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:19.200 In third grade, my friends Zoe and I would rip 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:21.880 on new kids on the block and we were constantly 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.520 evangelizing how lame we thought they were. In high school, 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.240 I ribbed my little cousin because every time a Backstreet 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.800 Boys video came on, she screamed like it was Beatlemania 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.160 and it made no sense to me. But it wasn't 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.120 just the music that offended me, something about how manufactured 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:42.240 these groups always are, Like you've got to have the 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.199 bad boy and the sweetheart and the shy one and 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.280 the slightly older brother who seems a little too old 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.920 to be in the band. The groups are always perfectly 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:57.800 curated for mass consumption versus you know, outsiders who are 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.840 trying to express something real and authentic with their music 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:08.439 and aren't part of some assembly line anyway. What does 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.319 being a member of this fandom mean to you? 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:11.800 What does it mean to me? 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:13.600 Oh? 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.400 Man, it means a lot. It's really nice to feel 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.480 like you're part of something that is genuinely just like 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.880 full of like kindness and love and family. I think 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:26.600 that they do a really good job of making Army 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:27.880 feel like they're part of their family. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:34.400 Seeing BTS live was a transcendent experience for her. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.040 You just look around you. All you see are these 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:42.640 lightsticks that are waving around, and it really feels like 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.600 you're in a sea of stars. My friend and I 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.520 was sat and bald after the concert was over because 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.440 we were like, we're never going to have that magical 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:54.320 experience again. I imagine that this is like what Disney 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.600 adults feel like every summer. I wish I could have that, 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.640 but I have to wait for the off chance that 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:03.240 Be to Us is going to announce performance in America 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.640 for me to experience that level of like etherealness. 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.120 So Michelle spends her extra hours thinking about BTS and 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.960 interacting with fans, and luckily for Army, BTS has no 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:21.280 shortage of content. But as Michelle talks, it becomes clear 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.840 it isn't just about the music for her or the community, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:29.280 which is powerful, It's also about seeing a Korean band 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.200 making it to the top of the American charts without 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:33.959 having to compromise their identity. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:39.479 I do feel like an additional connection to BTS because 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:44.520 it's been so nice to see Asian artists really fully 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:46.920 embrace their Asian ness. 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.520 Michelle came to the States from China as a toddler. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.760 Her dad brought the family over as he finished his PhD. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:57.040 But even though they became upwardly mobile living in a 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.800 nice suburban community, life at home at times was turbulent. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:08.920 My dad was pretty abusive. He's really not a great guy. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.880 He eventually left, which good riddance. My mom's here at 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:18.080 home and my dad's in China, and my brother is 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.880 here with us too, So now it's just us three, 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:22.640 and I guess my cat. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.359 Michelle doesn't dwell on the abuse or her absent dad. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.440 It's just a speed bump. She happens to acknowledge as 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:33.160 we talk about her upbringing. But being there for her 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.840 mom and her brother, that's a big part of her identity, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.760 and that caring doesn't stop with her family. Michelle stands 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:42.280 up for anyone who is wounded. 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.760 Since middle school, I've wanted to go into human rights work. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.920 I've always just cared a lot about what's fair and 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.520 what's not fair. I'm sure part of it also comes 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.200 from coming here as an immigrant and figuring out how 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.880 to fit in. Why do I have to chop off 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:00.160 all of these parts of myself to fit in to 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.200 this mold so that you can still not see me 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:05.200 as an equal? Like that doesn't seem. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:10.080 Right, that tension of identity. I know what she means. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.559 I didn't want my parents to meet people. I didn't 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.080 want people to meet my grandparents. I was just very 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.760 ashamed of everything related to my family, and that didn't 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.599 really change until high school. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.599 My parents were never an embarrassment to me, but sometimes 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.920 my house could be like, do you really want to 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.000 invite people in just to explain the myths and religious 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:34.480 iconography on your walls? 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:34.800 Again? 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.160 Do you bring a tiffin with delicious rice and doll 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.280 and pickles to the school cafeteria or do you beg 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.520 your parents for a whitebread pebi and j and a 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:50.640 juice box because it just makes life easier. There's a 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.280 constant question of how you bridge the person you are 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.080 inside your home versus the person you have to be 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:01.559 outside it, and how you explain and justify these two identities. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.959 It really helped that one summer we went back to China, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.360 and that was when I was really aware that I 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.400 was like, oh, I didn't grow up in this country, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.960 but I feel so at home here. Why is that. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:16.720 Hearing my regional dialect spoken, having the food, seeing everybody 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.240 dry their beans outside, you know, all of these like 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.360 tiny little details reminded me that it was perfectly fine 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.120 for my family to be the way that it was, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.480 and that there was nothing to be ashamed of. That 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.080 transitioned into a lot of pride. 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.720 I think that's common too, or at least I hope 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.280 it is. That at some point you stop worrying about 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.200 the differences and just own them. But that doesn't always 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:56.360 mean the world accepts you. Back in two thousand and two, 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.960 not long after nine to eleven, I moved to Birmingham, Alabama. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.640 The day I was leaving, my dad handed me a 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.480 T shirt with an American flag and an eagle on it. 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.120 I'd already packed the car and I'd come in to 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:10.840 give him a hug, and he just kind of handed 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:14.120 it to me like it was the short sleeve totem 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:19.120 that could let everyone know I was American too. I 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:22.320 knew his fears. I mean, in the weeks and months 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.760 after nine to eleven. I remember the looks i'd get, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.480 the comments, the shoves, the ways people tried to instigate 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.840 fights with me, things I knew were only directed my 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:37.960 way because of the color of my skin. Still, I 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.720 tucked this T shirt in my bag and I never 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.240 actually wore it, but I was thinking about that shirt 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.160 again and my dad's idea of this weird form of 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.600 protection because Michelle started talking about this moment in time 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:55.160 from when COVID hit America forward, when anti Asian hate 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.760 became so prevalent and so visible, how the world inside 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.400 her suddenly felt so much warmer and comforting than the 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:04.800 one waiting outside her door. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:08.160 I also, like really didn't go out during COVID. Every 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.000 time I did go out, it did make me super 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.560 super paranoid. Even now, just like going on the subway, 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:19.240 like I still feel pretty anxious. I'll text my friends 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:20.920 so that they know where I am, but like now 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.680 it's not like a, hy I'm in this, you know 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.560 I'm in the city, like keep an eye out for me. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.560 It's like, hope I don't get pushed off the platform. 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:32.720 I'm not scared for myself these days, not really, but 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:36.120 I am scared for my friends, my Asian friends, my 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.800 friends who are women. In twenty twenty one, there were 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:43.000 two hundred and thirty three reported anti Asian hate crimes 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.720 in New York City alone. In New York City alone, 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:51.280 fifty five percent of those were against women. It's no 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.640 surprise that we cling to these totems for strength, because no, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.240 I don't believe that clutching onto a bend or a 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:02.280 T shirt or a gem or a banana can protect you. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:07.280 But in the face of so much unearned anger, maybe 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:10.880 that grip gives you the courage of particularly moving forward. 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:38.199 Men King Drum and a pro blass just un with 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.280 my recipe and as it's been from public progestating, never 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:49.200 Rob Beato, looking at what's next chapter, choosing teams, Comma 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.080 Team and my family man of feel blessed? Now are 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:57.280 we feel reality? It's funny to think about Michelle's incredible 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.240 moment of transcendence occurring in a stadium, because so many 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:06.159 fans walk out of arenas feeling the same way. The 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.440 high of watching your favorite team cheering in unison with 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.520 a crowd. I mean, there's nothing like it, and that's 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:14.840 how Sazar Love feels. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.720 The game is a portal into something else. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.840 Seesar is a baseball astrologer. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.000 I'm coming from the West coast San San Francisco. I 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.720 am part of the tribe of Giants fans and also 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.600 part of the tribe of Oakland Athletics fans. 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:33.640 He loves stats and history. But somewhere along the way 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:38.160 he got frustrated he couldn't understand why his beloved team 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.320 wasn't winning. I mean, they had an incredible lineup, So 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:47.439 out of curiosity, he wondered if astrology had an answer. 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.800 Could mercury be holding his team back from the success 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.440 they surely deserved. 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.600 You couldn't understand the team by looking at the chart. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.359 The Yankees have Saturn in the first house. They have 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.760 this sense of tradition, and that's sort of imposing intimidating quality. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.000 So yes, it does come across. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:13.119 Seesar kept studying, he kept grasping for understanding, but it 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.760 just wasn't something he could be open about. Baseball astrology. 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:24.240 I mean it sounds nuts. But then he met Andrea Malice. 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.240 I'm testing with mercury retrograde one, two three testing. 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:30.760 I'm not quite sure if it was the nineties or 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.960 early two thousands, but I met her at a meeting 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.359 of the Society of American Baseball Research at the Oakland Coliseum. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.800 She was sitting next to me, and she asked the 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.840 question to the general manager if they had ever used 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.240 astrology in their analysis. And I thought, oh my god, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.800 this crowd is not going to be into this at all. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.760 But Andrea, who just is a lot more abrazen about 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:57.200 these things that I am didn't care. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:00.480 And when you talk to Andrea, you know exactly why. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.760 Here's the thing, I'm originally from New York. It takes 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:05.800 a lot to intimidate me. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:09.199 Despite the fact that people might bok. She has an 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:10.840 impressive list of clients. 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.960 I was the astrologer during the a's moneyball era. Obviously, 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.320 in terms of client confidentiality, I can't name names, but 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:19.400 I have players. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:22.120 When I first heard about the Venn diagram of baseball 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.639 and astrology, I was hoping we could get some predictions. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:30.080 You know, the sports astrology nitch is something I totally 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.040 believe in and see results from. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.560 With the World Series just around the corner, I wondered 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:38.560 if Andrea or Sazar knew who was going to win. 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:43.399 But when we actually approach the question, they were reluctant 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:44.040 to say. 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.680 I'm a cosmic umpire, you know, it's cosmic intel. I 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.040 get most of the calls, right. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.919 I don't like to make those kind of predictions anymore. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.879 I think that's a trap for astrologers. A lot of 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.119 them like to make predictions and feel like they're smart 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:00.720 and show to other people they're smart and say they're there. 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.680 I told you so. I'd rather just leave that, just 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:04.920 watch things unfold. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.320 So then how can they use their astrological knowledge practically? 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:14.879 For Andrea, it's about coaching players and teams through really 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:15.919 big decisions. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.920 Tim linsegam he was a pitcher for the giants that 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.760 saw his dad. Then he goes he's turning down five 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.680 years one hundred million. Help, and I like, palstar. I 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:30.160 go Chris, what time was Tim Bourne? And he told 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.639 me what time he was born? And I said, you know, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.879 he's a Gemini. He's restless. He's having a sadder return 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.040 between twenty eight and thirty. When I explained it to Chris, 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.200 it was sort of a permission giver. I mean, he 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.479 still didn't want him to turn down five years one 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.120 hundred million, but it's like, all right, he's a Gemini. 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:48.280 He's a little scattered. He wants to see what else 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:48.960 is out there. 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.639 Andrew and Sizar know how to use statistics to reduce 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:56.280 the game to numbers and calculations and take the emotion 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:58.960 out of sporting decisions. They know how to use the 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.000 numbers of Estralla to that end too. 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:05.119 I'll tell you I've got four planets in Virgo, and 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.879 on a good day, I'm a micromanaging control free I 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.600 take a deep dive and I look at all the details. 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.160 I just can't watch a game and relax. I wish 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.200 I could, but you know, this is what makes me 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:19.200 happy as a Virgo. 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.680 But for both of them, baseball is a link to 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:24.800 something grander. 0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:30.639 People don't realize this. Baseball actually began as a pagan 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.920 fertility ritual. You can study the archaeology of baseball and 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.240 it's not a uniquely American artifact. It's been played on 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.560 all continents for millennia. The game has sort of evolved 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.520 to where we have it now with the diamond with 0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:48.600 ninety feet distances between bases, but its origins and its 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.639 history are as old as the hills. 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:55.320 Something courses through players and fans, connecting them not just 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.399 to one another, but to the universe. It's like a 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:00.480 certain type of thief. 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:02.800 People go to a baseball game, they just feel good. 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:05.119 It's the way people feel when they go to the 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.520 beach and they know they're in the presence of something 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:12.200 awesome the ocean. There is something just profoundly spiritual happening 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:15.000 in the following of a baseball team. So I think 0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:16.840 of each team as a spiritual community. 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:32.680 There are found families, just like the BTS Army Chapter three. 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:39.000 It's not embarrassing. It's in your chart, God's groove. 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:41.800 I'm guessing on my own soon learning no shit. It 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.560 takes me back to my own school shit in me head. 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.119 I take the knowledge. Oh who's is running around the 0:23:47.200 --> 0:23:49.119 world does end up and getting out the dawns? 0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:51.000 Oh shoot, shoot. 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:53.359 This is a chart that has a lot of ambition, 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.359 a lot of drive, and a lot of desire to achieve. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:58.520 There might be a des I've got our. 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.200 House astrologer Janelle Grave on theline here and I'm just 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.239 connecting her with Michelle pushed forward. They're doing it over 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:08.240 zoom because Michelle happens to be in Texas this week. 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.520 I do like law for you. The night House traditionally 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:16.359 has connections to the law to philosophy, to higher learning, 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:21.280 to higher education, to international travel, putting information out into 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.159 the world and receiving information on a grand scale. 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:25.879 I don't know. 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:27.879 I feel like you're really buttering me up with this 0:24:28.080 --> 0:24:30.320 like international travel talk, because I'm like. 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.280 Oh, girl, tell me more about that. 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.119 I don't want to hear more about where I'm going 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:34.399 to be. 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.960 Michelle doesn't know if any of this is real, but 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:40.920 she's definitely game to hear it all. Her chart shows 0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:45.520