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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic, Pops, how are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well. We are approaching the one month birthday
Speaker 1: I guess of Mila, so you know, yeah, month day,
Speaker 1: there you go. So that's coming up in five days.
Speaker 1: And this is terrible.
Speaker 2: Four because it was Monday, and I'm just thinking Monday
Speaker 2: is four days away. The Monday not four days away.
Speaker 1: Definitely, Monday is four days away. You're definitely tripping though
Speaker 1: on a bunch of front. She was not born on
Speaker 1: a Monday. I understand for you.
Speaker 2: It was fog of Oh, it was Sunday. It was
Speaker 2: it was it was a long, long yeah.
Speaker 1: But also that's not really like the it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be Sunday to Sunday because that's just twenty eight days,
Speaker 1: so like her the but regardless, that's coming up, still
Speaker 1: coming back at work, back here, parenting the whole nine.
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Speaker 1: get to today with the single biggest NFL weekend of
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Speaker 1: We went five for five with it. Would shocked me
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Speaker 1: no brainers because so many guys feel like no brainers.
Speaker 1: So we'll do that, and we will start the show
Speaker 1: with is Jannis finally going to be traded? But before
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Speaker 1: everybody like rate subscribe to you demons, let's talk you honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So on Tuesday, we talked about how impossible it
Speaker 2: was for Giannis to be catching Lebrono in that all
Speaker 2: time season points. Today we're gonna be talking about how
Speaker 2: possible it is that he's leaving Milwaukie. Do you think
Speaker 2: that's gonna eventually happen? His agent and the Bucks are
Speaker 2: talking about his future there. Janna seems a little fake too,
Speaker 2: What do you mean? I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 2: he says one thing and he always means another thing.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like he did the same thing with
Speaker 2: the like Drew Holiday trade. I feel like he did
Speaker 2: the same thing with this offseason. Anything he wants to
Speaker 2: be there and like he kind of hasn't wanted to
Speaker 2: be there the entire time.
Speaker 1: So this kind of goes back to the Lane Kiffen thing.
Speaker 1: It's very important in life to learn at an early age.
Speaker 1: Nobody gets everything. Nobody gets everything, and there is there
Speaker 1: are trade offs that adults have to make where they
Speaker 1: do the old cliche pros and cons list, and you
Speaker 1: determine what matters most to you and what will make
Speaker 1: you happiest and act accordingly. And when you say Yannis
Speaker 1: has seemed a little fake, what I think is causing
Speaker 1: that is he wants to be beloved in Millilwaukee and
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play for Milwaukee anymore, and he I
Speaker 1: think recognizes those two things might be in conflict. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think he would ever be reviled or hated
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee at large. He's a franchise legend. He delivered
Speaker 1: them their only championship since Kareem there. You know, he
Speaker 1: has been a great NBA citizen and an even greater
Speaker 1: NBA player or vice versa, however you want to look
Speaker 1: at it. He's one of the twenty greatest players ever.
Speaker 1: All of that is that cement is dry, but I
Speaker 1: think he understands that. In whatever is left of his prime,
Speaker 1: which could be, you know, up to four years. Maybe
Speaker 1: he might have that much longer in his prime. This
Speaker 1: buck seems not going to be able to compete for anything.
Speaker 1: They have mortgaged and second mortgaged and taken out payday
Speaker 1: loans on the future, and those bills have all slowly
Speaker 1: but surely come do. And so I think it's pretty
Speaker 1: clear he does want out, and I think it's also
Speaker 1: pretty clear he doesn't know exactly how to do that,
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want to just straightforward to a trade demand.
Speaker 1: But we are inching towards it, so in today's NBA,
Speaker 1: and by the way, it should also be noted, last
Speaker 1: night it looked like he might have suffered a catastrophic injury,
Speaker 1: the dreaded non contact look back did someone kick me reaction,
Speaker 1: which everybody these days knows that is part and parcel
Speaker 1: with an achilles tear. But we've now had back to
Speaker 1: back big time athletes in a couple of weeks have
Speaker 1: that exact reaction to what appears to be that injury,
Speaker 1: and for both of them it was the far less
Speaker 1: serious but still very scary calf strain to what happened
Speaker 1: with Sauce Gardner. A couple of weeks ago and to
Speaker 1: I'm with Giannis last night, and so I talked with Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to say this. I actually oddly randomly, Uh no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say who it was. I talked with
Speaker 1: one of the greatest athletes ever, uh, in real time
Speaker 1: about Tyrese Haliburton's achilles right when it happened, and that
Speaker 1: what that person said was in our game, the calf
Speaker 1: strain is the new I think he said acl not
Speaker 1: in that you're out of year with it, but it's
Speaker 1: the most dreaded injury. And it's because there's no way
Speaker 1: this again, this was this guy's opinion, but he would
Speaker 1: know there's no way to rehabit. You simply have to
Speaker 1: stay off it. So I think Yannis, like, here's the
Speaker 1: thing that I think is noteworthy and why I wanted
Speaker 1: to start with this. It is very possible that last
Speaker 1: night was Yannis's last game with the Bucks. That's on
Speaker 1: the board. I might even go as far as to
Speaker 1: say it's the most likely reality because if he has
Speaker 1: to miss weeks, maybe up to a month with a
Speaker 1: calf strain, and obviously he and Milwaukee are going to
Speaker 1: want to be incredibly cautious with this, then come December fifteenth,
Speaker 1: you know, that's eleven days away, and that's when everybody
Speaker 1: who signed this offseason is eligible to be traded. More
Speaker 1: people are eligible to be traded starting the beginning of January,
Speaker 1: and this just could happen in the next month. And
Speaker 1: at this point, I think it is going to happen.
Speaker 2: In the next month. Where do you think will be
Speaker 2: the best landing spot for him?
Speaker 1: So ESPN credit to them, did a good job putting
Speaker 1: together five trades. And this is why I'm I really
Speaker 1: want to credit them, because with the new CBA and
Speaker 1: the aprons, it is very difficult to construct trades that
Speaker 1: actually work. So these five ESPN trades, Bobby Marx has
Speaker 1: given them the stamp of yes, the CBA would allow it.
Speaker 1: The off the board most interesting one that I actually
Speaker 1: think might be the most win win, have a chance
Speaker 1: to compete, go on deep playoff runs, and you could
Speaker 1: sell it to both fan bases, and sadly is the
Speaker 1: least likely to happen is Giannis to the Hawks. So
Speaker 1: here is ESPN's trade, as follows Jannis and Cole Anthony
Speaker 1: for salary reasons for Trey Young and Resa Shay. So
Speaker 1: the number one overall pick from a couple of years
Speaker 1: ago in Resa Shay, Trey Young, who's got a couple
Speaker 1: of years left on his deal, and then some really
Speaker 1: juicy picks, most notably the first round pick the Pelicans
Speaker 1: traded to the Hawks, which, keep in mind, here's why
Speaker 1: that trade is so interesting for Milwaukee. That first round
Speaker 1: pick the Pelicans traded to the Hawks, demons is the
Speaker 1: better of New Orleans is picked this year or Milwaukee's
Speaker 1: pick this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Would right, what Milwaukee would then allow for is if
Speaker 1: by trading Yannis you fall apart in the short term,
Speaker 1: you then have the Pelicans ping pong balls and your
Speaker 1: own ping pong balls, right, and whichever is the best
Speaker 1: of those two, you get that pick in this draft.
Speaker 1: Atlanta also has twenty twenty seven first round pick top
Speaker 1: four protected in this trade. That is again, well, this
Speaker 1: is the worst of the Pelicans in the Bucks, but
Speaker 1: maybe you could sweeten it to the better of and
Speaker 1: then a couple other picks. So that to me is
Speaker 1: really interesting. If you keep Jalen Johnson, you keep Dyson, uh,
Speaker 1: Milwaukee then can maybe flip Trey Young as well. And
Speaker 1: Resa Schey was the number one pick of a draft
Speaker 1: and Atlanta, which has proven they're just as good with
Speaker 1: or without Trey Young this season, maybe better without him.
Speaker 1: Janis Jalen Johnson, Porzingis when he's out there. It's a
Speaker 1: very interesting team in a wide open East and with
Speaker 1: flexibility moving forward. So that's the one that makes the
Speaker 1: most sense for everybody. I don't know that I think
Speaker 1: that one is realistic in that I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's something Yannis would sign off on. Yeah, and but
Speaker 1: I think that's the best Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Can and doesn't it. It has seemed like Yannis has
Speaker 2: wanted to play for a big market team so the
Speaker 2: way that he talks, and that might right.
Speaker 1: And Atlanta is bigger than Milwaukee obviously, but it's not
Speaker 1: like the Marquee market. I also think Atlanta is more
Speaker 1: attractive to American born NBA stars than international So I
Speaker 1: think that. But from a basketball perspective, you stay in
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference, the team keeps really good pieces. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of reasons for it. The next
Speaker 1: ra ESPN brings up, it's the one we talked about
Speaker 1: all summer, which was Yannis to the Rockets. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: so this is Yannis and his brother for Shoon and
Speaker 1: Van Vliet, who's obviously out for the year with an injury,
Speaker 1: and one first round pick. I don't love this for
Speaker 1: either team. Yeah, to be totally honest, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's quite enough. Demon's if you're Milwaukee. As much as
Speaker 1: I love I love Shoon, that's to me not enough
Speaker 1: because you've traded away so many of your own future picks,
Speaker 1: like you need more draft capital. And if I'm Houston,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm all of a sudden getting really old,
Speaker 1: Like I already have Durant. Now I'm adding a guy
Speaker 1: in year thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yah, I promise, yeah right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. Right now as is, we have the number
Speaker 1: one offense in all of basketball and we're doing it
Speaker 1: without a point guard because Shingoon kind of plays that.
Speaker 1: So that's just if I'm Houston. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is if I'm in the West this year, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I want to push all my chips in
Speaker 1: this year because I might feel like, Okayc's just sitting
Speaker 1: there anyway. So I loved that this offseason, I don't
Speaker 1: love it as much now that the next tray ESPN had,
Speaker 1: And again I usually like to make my own trades,
Speaker 1: but the CBA is so restrictive and there's only a
Speaker 1: handful of teams that this would make sense for that
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense for me. I would have come
Speaker 1: up with these. Everybody's talking about these same four or
Speaker 1: five teams, and if we're talking about the same teams,
Speaker 1: we're all gonna be talking about the same players. So
Speaker 1: I'll just give Kevin Pelton and Bobby Marks their their
Speaker 1: credit for getting this out there and crib off their work.
Speaker 1: The next one de Mond's is the Knicks Yannis and
Speaker 1: Sims again for salary reasons. Sims back to New York,
Speaker 1: by the way, for Karl Anthony, Towns collect Diadet. So
Speaker 1: it's really Yannis for Towns plus a twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: first round pick that won't be a first round pick
Speaker 1: because it's the Wizard's pick that's top eight protected, and
Speaker 1: where are the Wizards? So like that that one's that's
Speaker 1: a fake good pick. Like let me just look at
Speaker 1: the standings real quick. Yeah, the Wizards where I thought
Speaker 1: they would be, where they always are dead last. So
Speaker 1: that that that the and then some pick swaps and
Speaker 1: and just really just pick swaps so that's the problem.
Speaker 1: The problem for Milwaukee getting to getting Yannis Demons, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry the Knick's getting Yannis is it's really just Yannis
Speaker 1: for Towns straight up, with likely no extra picks, Right man,
Speaker 1: that's a tough cell. Yeah, that's a really tough sell
Speaker 1: if you're Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead. Well, yeah, I was gonna say, and
Speaker 2: you might. I think Karl Anthony Towns is the better shot.
Speaker 2: Obviously is the more physical, imposing player, but is a.
Speaker 1: Way better player.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it would change.
Speaker 1: You would lose shooting, you would lose some spacing, there's
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But if the Knicks could flip
Speaker 1: Towns for Giannis, and that's the only rotation pieces they're trading,
Speaker 1: they become the overwhelming Eastern Conference favorites over the Jalen
Speaker 1: Brunson and Gianni's running pick. Like, there's overwhelming. I just
Speaker 1: they traded all those picks away for Bridges. And so
Speaker 1: the only way Yannis goes there is if he says
Speaker 1: that's the only place I want to go, and Milwaukee
Speaker 1: bends to it. So there's two more the Spurs. They
Speaker 1: can include a bunch of picks, and again, it would
Speaker 1: be a real negotiation. Are you including Castle or are
Speaker 1: you including uh Dylan Harper? Are you are we trading
Speaker 1: dearon Fox. That's the one that if if I were Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: I would be interested in if I could get Harper
Speaker 1: instead of Castle, And if I were san Antonio, I
Speaker 1: might look at it like this, Man.
Speaker 2: I do not know.
Speaker 1: How long Wimby's prime is gonna be. Like I think
Speaker 1: that is. I think because of his size and already
Speaker 1: the injury stuff, I think that like you can't treat
Speaker 1: with MBI's timeline like Cooper Flags or like.
Speaker 2: A traditional Basically when it comes to trading, I can
Speaker 2: actually think about putting him in or.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, I'd never trade him. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is, I'm saying I think sometimes when you
Speaker 1: have a great really young players not yet to his prime,
Speaker 1: you're like, let's wait to make the move.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're saying, like move now, back now.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, accelerate. I'm saying I'm saying, if you're san Antonio,
Speaker 1: it might make sense to accelerate because you don't know
Speaker 1: if in ten years what you know your best chance
Speaker 1: to win might be right. You know, the next four
Speaker 1: years or something, so that to me is an interesting one.
Speaker 1: But again, does Yannis want to go uh from Milwaukee
Speaker 1: to San Antonio? And does Yannis want to spend the
Speaker 1: end of his prime as maybe the second guy on
Speaker 1: a team? I don't know. And then the last one
Speaker 1: is Golden State, which I just don't understand why Milwaukee
Speaker 1: would do this. This is Draymond, Kaminga and Healed, none
Speaker 1: of which are at this point in their careers useful
Speaker 1: players like at a high level without Steph without you know,
Speaker 1: somebody that creates the offense. Draymond's super useful in his role,
Speaker 1: but on a bad team. And then a bunch of
Speaker 1: first round picks. I totally get why the Warriors would
Speaker 1: do this, but I don't. I don't. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: And I feel like Draymond going to another team that
Speaker 2: definitely stunts a much longer tas in.
Speaker 1: The league, I think they'd buy Yeah, and I you
Speaker 1: know Draymond, you would then maybe flip Draymond to a
Speaker 1: contender that could want because he's Draymond's still super useful
Speaker 1: if you're playing big basketball games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all that stuff, but yeah.
Speaker 1: And so and if I'm Milwaukee, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I want a bunch of first round picks from Golden
Speaker 1: State when I know Golden State's got that ownership, that coach,
Speaker 1: and going to have Giannis even when Steph is gone.
Speaker 1: So Atlanta is the best trade. Houston's the most interesting.
Speaker 1: The Knicks are far and away the worst trade and
Speaker 1: would only happen if Jannis demands it and and Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Acquiesces and then I don't see the Warriors and the Spurs.
Speaker 1: One really depends on how aggressive the Spurs.
Speaker 2: Want to be.
Speaker 1: So but I think Giannis. My big takeaway Demons is
Speaker 1: I think we now it is more likely than not
Speaker 1: that the next game, because of the injury last night,
Speaker 1: the next game Yannis plays in the NBA will be
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Speaker 2: Demansey and Jerry Jones is already talking playoffs. But they
Speaker 2: have the Lions tonight, and if they play Lions and
Speaker 2: they lose the playoff, what do you call it? The
Speaker 2: playoff simulator that's putting it to under ten percent that
Speaker 2: they make it if they lose tonight. Do you think
Speaker 2: we're done talking about Dallas for this season?
Speaker 1: I don't, and here's why. So it's very simple. Dallas
Speaker 1: needs two more wins than Philly the rest of the
Speaker 1: way in order to steal the division. So if Dallas
Speaker 1: goes five and zero and Philly goes three and two,
Speaker 1: Dallas wins the division three and two or worse. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if Dallas goes four and one and Philly goes two
Speaker 1: and three, Dallas steals the division even If the Cowboys
Speaker 1: lose tonight, they then go home Vikings home Chargers tough
Speaker 1: at the Commander's short week Christmas, don't know, you know
Speaker 1: what the Commanders will look like at that point, should
Speaker 1: have Jayden back, and then at Giants. I think the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: even if they lose tonight, have a chance to go
Speaker 1: four and one, and Philly, on the other hand, has
Speaker 1: a handful of Oh well, given how they've been playing,
Speaker 1: they could lose that at the Chargers Monday night, obviously
Speaker 1: they could lose home for the Raiders, you can't lose,
Speaker 1: but then at Washington at the Bills, and then home
Speaker 1: for Washington. So even if the Cowboys lose tonight, I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna be done talking about them, even
Speaker 1: though at that point, if they lose tonight, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to basically, you know, draw to an inside straight.
Speaker 1: But I think they've got they would have, like you said,
Speaker 1: ten percent chance, maybe a little better than that, because
Speaker 1: I do think the Cowboys are playing at a super
Speaker 1: high level right now. So here are and I expect
Speaker 1: the Lions to win tonight. I just think asking a
Speaker 1: team to beat Philly, beat Kansas City, then beat Detroit
Speaker 1: the last of which is on the road. Is a
Speaker 1: hell of an asque. And the Lions are you know,
Speaker 1: they haven't lost too in a row since like Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell's first year there. They've been incredible. They've been the
Speaker 1: best team in the league at bouncing back from losses.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned if they lose, the Athletic Playoff predictor
Speaker 1: has them as the Cowboys at ten percent. If the
Speaker 1: Lions lose, the Athletic Playoff Predictor has them at twelve percent.
Speaker 1: So and they don't have just one team in front
Speaker 1: of them in the division that they would need to collapse.
Speaker 1: They have the Packers Bears in front of them in
Speaker 1: the division and those teams play each other twice, so
Speaker 1: either one of them is going to go to an
Speaker 1: O or they're gonna split. So you know they are
Speaker 1: as they sit here today, Demonse, the Lions are four
Speaker 1: percent to win that division and with a loss, it's
Speaker 1: basically dead to win the division. Now, I think the
Speaker 1: Lions win tonight, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think he's going to be pretty frisky.
Speaker 1: Well, the Cowboys look great, Dak is playing out of
Speaker 1: his mind, and Dak with a great performance tonight and
Speaker 1: a win can maybe open up the MVP race to
Speaker 1: a third. Yeah, right now, it's Stafford and May. But Dak.
Speaker 1: If Joe Burrow last year ended up getting votes and
Speaker 1: finishing fourth or fifth for a team that missed the playoffs,
Speaker 1: if Dak gets this team back from the dead and
Speaker 1: they end up, you know, running down Philadelphia and winning
Speaker 1: the division, then I think he might be you know him.
Speaker 1: Stafford and May will be a real discussion, And I
Speaker 1: think what people will say is Stafford's got a great defense.
Speaker 1: May's got a really good defense. The Cowboys defense the
Speaker 1: first ten weeks of the year was a train wreck,
Speaker 1: and so that's how they will offset the records of
Speaker 1: those two guys. I just it's hard for me to
Speaker 1: believe demon say that the Lions season is going to
Speaker 1: end tonight. It's not hard for me to believe the Cowboys. Listen,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, they traded Micah. They you know, they've lost
Speaker 1: some bad games. They're hot right now. But are the
Speaker 1: are the Lions going to in what is supposed to
Speaker 1: be their championship window flat you know, miss the playoffs
Speaker 1: this year, which would then mean in consecutive years they
Speaker 1: win a grand total of zero playoff games. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go from up seventeen in the conference championship game to
Speaker 1: the one seed and getting clocked in their first playoff
Speaker 1: game to out of the playoffs entirely. And by the way,
Speaker 1: even if they win tonight they might do that. Like
Speaker 1: if they win tonight it is and and they lose
Speaker 1: next week to the Rams, they're back down to thirty
Speaker 1: five percent to make the playoffs and the Lions. The
Speaker 1: Lions basically have to go four and one the rest
Speaker 1: of the way to make the postseason. If they do that,
Speaker 1: then they almost assuredly should be in. If they don't,
Speaker 1: then they almost assuredly are out. Their games are home
Speaker 1: Cowboys at the Rams, Homestealers at the Vikings, at the Bears.
Speaker 1: It's not easy, man, And so I don't let me check.
Speaker 1: Oh I saw it yesterday. A monro Saint Brown is
Speaker 1: listed as questionable the I think obviously they yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna play. And so if he were out,
Speaker 1: with Laporta already out and some of the other injuries
Speaker 1: they have, that might be enough to push me to Dallas.
Speaker 1: With him playing, I and the fact that I just
Speaker 1: don't Dallas has looked amazing. I'm you know, I saw
Speaker 1: it up close and personal. Dallas looked amazing the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But the week before that, you know,
Speaker 1: they lost to Arizona. They have they got I forget
Speaker 1: the other game because they lost back to that games.
Speaker 1: But regardless, I don't I've got the Lions tonight. But
Speaker 1: if the Lions lose, they're just done and that would
Speaker 1: just kind of be going out with a whimper that
Speaker 1: I don't expect, even having lost the coordinators, which again
Speaker 1: every year we in the offseason we gloss over the
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, and the Bears offense running game has been unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: all right, demons, Let's talk Texans Chiefs.
Speaker 2: All right, So, big game for your boys this weekend,
Speaker 2: and it's coming up against that topering defense and the Texans.
Speaker 2: Uh Is it fair to say that this is the
Speaker 2: biggest regular season game of Patrick Balm's career.
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, and you know that's just gonna keep happening
Speaker 1: like the Then if they win or lose, next week's
Speaker 1: even bigger. Honestly, So if they win, then next week
Speaker 1: against the Chargers, you really have a chance to get
Speaker 1: back on your feet. So if the Chiefs win and
Speaker 1: they get to seven and six and critically to facto
Speaker 1: pass Houston in the standings because they'll both be seven
Speaker 1: and six, but Casey will have the head dad tiebreaker,
Speaker 1: and then you play the Chargers, you have a chance
Speaker 1: if Philly beats the Chargers to also then draw even
Speaker 1: with the Chargers and be eight and six with a
Speaker 1: Titans game coming up. A Raiders game is your final
Speaker 1: game of the year and feel like, Okay, you know
Speaker 1: we can salvage this thing. If you lose, then next
Speaker 1: week's game against the Chargers is a playoff game, and
Speaker 1: you kind of know deep down, even winning out, there's
Speaker 1: a very good chance it's not enough. So the Chiefs
Speaker 1: can make the playoffs. They will make the playoffs at
Speaker 1: if they run the table. They can make the playoffs
Speaker 1: at four and one, but who that one loss comes
Speaker 1: to is wildly influential. So if they go four and
Speaker 1: one again, I'll just use the athletic playoff predictor. If
Speaker 1: they go four and one but the losses to the Texans,
Speaker 1: they're forty percent to make the playoffs. If they go
Speaker 1: four and one but the losses to the Chargers, they're
Speaker 1: forty three percent to make the playoffs. If they go
Speaker 1: four and one but the losses to the Broncos, they're
Speaker 1: fifty three percent to make the playoffs. And that's because
Speaker 1: they're not trying one of the teams trying to take
Speaker 1: that last playoff spot. Isn't the Broncos, it's the Texans
Speaker 1: or the Chargers. So like the oddly the team that
Speaker 1: if they go four and one but the losses to
Speaker 1: the Titans, they're seventy percent to make the playoffs because
Speaker 1: that wouldn't be a divisional loss and the Titans don't matter.
Speaker 1: But regardless, point remains losing either. The next two weeks
Speaker 1: for Mahomes are the biggest regular season games of his career,
Speaker 1: which are obviously he's played in twenty one playoff games.
Speaker 1: He's seventeen to four in the playoffs. They're not you
Speaker 1: know they are. So they are the twenty second and
Speaker 1: twenty third biggest games of his career, but that's still something.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, all week long, Demons I've been
Speaker 1: talking about, and folks seen in the national media to
Speaker 1: also now be talking about that Chief's inability to get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback has been their problem third down defense.
Speaker 1: My pal Mina Kimes had this I'm gonna read directly
Speaker 1: from her Twitter. She had the stats from twenty tw
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four when the Chiefs blitzed, they ranked first
Speaker 1: in yards per play, second, in pressure rate, third, and
Speaker 1: sack rate first, second, third, when they blitzed over the
Speaker 1: last three years. This year in those same categories when
Speaker 1: they blitzed, they are thirty first, twenty eighth, thirty first.
Speaker 1: So they have gone from the best blitz team in
Speaker 1: the league to the worst blitz team in the league.
Speaker 1: Their third and long defense has gone from great to awful,
Speaker 1: and those are hand in glove directly correlated with that.
Speaker 1: Said Demonse, that's not my biggest concern for this game.
Speaker 1: My biggest concern go ahead.
Speaker 2: It's the whole line I imagine with that defense coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Josh Simmons is out. He's on the ir
Speaker 1: even if they make I don't know, you know, they
Speaker 1: haven't given us an indication on if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Would he be back for a playoffer on god willing
Speaker 1: if they make the playoffs, I'd hope so they get
Speaker 1: but they've dealt without Josh Simmons. Jalen Moore is not
Speaker 1: as good as Josh Simmons, but they signed him this offseason.
Speaker 1: Simmons missed that time with the family issue. They've had
Speaker 1: someone else play left tackle this year and been okay,
Speaker 1: but Juwan Taylor is also injured. He did not practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: Trey Smith is also injured. He did not practice yesterday.
Speaker 1: If Josh Simmons and your right guard and your right
Speaker 1: tackle are out against this Texans team, it is going
Speaker 1: to take one of the most brilliant Andy Reid game
Speaker 1: plans of his life and a ten out of ten
Speaker 1: even by his standards, Patrick Mahomes performance to be able
Speaker 1: to move the ball. And so that's that's what I
Speaker 1: am here. Yeah. Now, now the flip side is this
Speaker 1: Texans offense has been really a mess all year and
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for spags in that defense to
Speaker 1: cook a bit. But this would be my number thirty
Speaker 1: two draft pick of teams I would want to face
Speaker 1: with the offensive line in this shape and one you,
Speaker 1: Morris has just been so problematic his whole career. Now listen,
Speaker 1: he's your third string left tackle. Nobody has a good
Speaker 1: third string left tackle. But man, that is so that's
Speaker 1: my concern.
Speaker 2: You need the running backs to kind of step up
Speaker 2: in this game. Yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: But the I mean, the running backs don't need good
Speaker 1: blocking too. But yeah, this is a game where you
Speaker 1: would love if you could hand the ball off thirty
Speaker 1: five times, right, you would love it. I don't know
Speaker 1: that the Texans evens is just so good and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. Now hopefully Arrowhead Sunday night that crowd helps
Speaker 1: the defense, but I need to see the Thursday and
Speaker 1: Friday practice reports before I can give a because they
Speaker 1: can deal with Josh Simmons, won't be great any thing
Speaker 1: to deal with it. No Josh Simmons and no Jawan
Speaker 1: Taylor and no Tray Smith. That might be a bridge
Speaker 1: too far against this defense. All right, let's you know what,
Speaker 1: Let's get to Yeah, let's get to Eagles Chargers Demonsey.
Speaker 2: So as we talked about a little bit before, we
Speaker 2: know that your chiefs need a little bit of help
Speaker 2: from some other teams to make this playoff push a
Speaker 2: little bit easier to get to. So the Eagles were
Speaker 2: playing the Chargers and Justin Herbert's got a hand injury.
Speaker 2: I think he just got surgery, so he's day to day.
Speaker 2: So how's it gonna feel this weekend when you're rooting
Speaker 2: for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: It's gonna feel weird? Man. I don't even know, like
Speaker 1: because I it's not that I have like lifelong disliked
Speaker 1: the Eagles most of my life. I didn't really care
Speaker 1: about him. I did, however, I like Donovan because he
Speaker 1: was a Syracuse guy. I loved Vic when he was there.
Speaker 1: I did root for them in the Super Bowl against
Speaker 1: Brady just because it was fun seeing what Nick Foles
Speaker 1: was doing. But now they are you know, you play
Speaker 1: my team and a couple Super Bowls. Your fans regularly
Speaker 1: accost me on the street. And so I've been, you know,
Speaker 1: pretty ardently not a big fan of Philly, and I
Speaker 1: think I've been fair in that. I mean, their team
Speaker 1: goes three and out more than any team in the
Speaker 1: NFL the last decade. They clearly have some issues. Can
Speaker 1: you believe that statue?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's wild.
Speaker 1: They have the highest three and out rate of any
Speaker 1: team in the NFL in the last ten years. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: So all of that with that said, and maybe this
Speaker 1: is a little heart overhead, but I don't think think
Speaker 1: so because the Eagles are favorites. I I think the
Speaker 1: Eagles d line should be able to disrupt a battered
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, assuming he plays enough that they can win
Speaker 1: that game with their defense alone, as bad as their
Speaker 1: offense has been. And man, oh man, do I need
Speaker 1: them to win that game now? We don't know. This
Speaker 1: is Monday. We're doing this Thursday morning. They're not. We're
Speaker 1: not going to get a real update on Herbert probably
Speaker 1: until the weekend. If Trey Lance beats the Eagles, it's
Speaker 1: a five alarm fire in Philly and it's devastating for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. And I like Trey Lance. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: know Harball has got something cooked up ready for him too.
Speaker 1: We saw him this offseason. All right, let's talk a
Speaker 1: little Hall of Fame here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we teased it on Tuesday. We ran out
Speaker 2: of time here, or we're gonna show that the Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame semifinalists. Who do you think is going to
Speaker 2: get in? Who are our picks this year?
Speaker 1: All right, so let's do this, and if you guys
Speaker 1: can keep a running tally in the dock, that would
Speaker 1: be helpful. Let's do this the way we did this before,
Speaker 1: which is, first, let me tell the audience who are
Speaker 1: new to the ballot. First ballot possibilities are Breeze Rivers,
Speaker 1: Frank Gore, Larry Fitzgerald, and Jason Witt. Okay, now let
Speaker 1: me tell the audience who was on the ballot last
Speaker 1: year and made the semifinals last year? Okay, or I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Last year was a finalist, so got closed last year, Eli,
Speaker 1: Fred Taylor, Halt, Steve Smith, Reggie, Wayne Vint, Terry, Willie Anderson,
Speaker 1: Jarry Evans, Marshall, Yonda, Keikley Suggs, Darren Woodson. Now let
Speaker 1: me tell the audience folks that are semifinalists this year
Speaker 1: are not new to the ballot, and we're not finalists
Speaker 1: last year, hinz Ward, Lomas Brown, Richmond Webb, Steve Wisnowski,
Speaker 1: Robert Mathis, Vince will Fork, Kevin Williams, Rodney Harrison, Earl Thomas. Okay,
Speaker 1: we are going to snap do two things. We are
Speaker 1: going to snap say Breeze and Fitzgerald are in, so
Speaker 1: that's two of our five in. We are also going
Speaker 1: to snap, say Rivers, Gore, and Witten are not going
Speaker 1: to be first ballot guys. This is their first time
Speaker 1: on the ballot. Any of those guys might eventually make it,
Speaker 1: they're not making it this year, so we're going to
Speaker 1: eliminate those guys. By eliminating those guys, I am also
Speaker 1: going to eliminate finalists from last year, Fred Taylor, because
Speaker 1: I think Gore gets in before Fred Taylor. I think
Speaker 1: people think Gore had a better career than Fred Taylor.
Speaker 1: And if they're not gonna put Gore in, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're gonna put him in, So he's out. I
Speaker 1: am also going to say that Hines Ward, who was
Speaker 1: not a finalist last year, Lomas Brown, Richmond Webb, Mathis,
Speaker 1: will Fork, Williams, Rodney Harrison, and Earl Thomas. They didn't.
Speaker 1: They weren't finalists last year. I don't think in a
Speaker 1: stacked class they're gonna go from final it from not
Speaker 1: even a finalist to end. So they're out. So for
Speaker 1: three spots. That then leaves us quarterback Eli Manning, wide
Speaker 1: receivers Tory Halt, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne Kicker, Adam vinit Terry,
Speaker 1: offensive lineman Willie Anderson, jarr Evans Marshall, yonda linebackers Keithley
Speaker 1: and Suggs, and d back Darren Woodson. Okay, so there's
Speaker 1: that I am. I don't I don't necessary. I don't
Speaker 1: think this is gonna happen. But I do think when
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this, what would be kind.
Speaker 2: Of cool.
Speaker 1: Would be if they said Vinitari, will Fork, Rodney Harrison,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna wait and if you're gonna get in,
Speaker 1: we're putting you in with Brady and kind of just
Speaker 1: having an entire class of the Patriots dynasty. I think
Speaker 1: that would be pretty cool. I don't think that's likely
Speaker 1: the way they're gonna go. So of those guys that
Speaker 1: we have not yet eliminated, I am now gonna take off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eliminate Steve Smith because I just don't think
Speaker 1: he's better than these other guys. I'm gonna eliminate Eli
Speaker 1: Manning because I don't think he was better than Philip Rivers.
Speaker 1: And that then leaves Tory Holt, Reggie Wayne, Adam Vin
Speaker 1: and Terry, Willie Anderson, Jarry Evans, Marshall, Yonda, Luke Keighley,
Speaker 1: Trell Suggs, and Darren Woodson I believe, and we already
Speaker 1: have Breeze and fits in, so we have three spots.
Speaker 2: I believe.
Speaker 1: Luke Keighley gets in just too high of a peak,
Speaker 1: and I think it's undeniable how great he was. I
Speaker 1: think they are going to want to put in at
Speaker 1: least one offensive lineman, and I think it will be
Speaker 1: Willie Anderson. And in part that's because I don't think
Speaker 1: they want them all to be kind of relatively new,
Speaker 1: and then that would and you know what, I think
Speaker 1: they are going to put Vinetarian with Brady. I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna make him.
Speaker 2: Wait.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna put in multiple wide receivers,
Speaker 1: so Halt and Reggie Wayne are out. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're gonna put in multiple offensive linemen. So that then
Speaker 1: means it comes down Toterrell Suggs and Darren Woodson. And
Speaker 1: I think that so Keikley is gonna have the argument
Speaker 1: of my peak was so insane. I played eight years.
Speaker 1: I was a five time first team All Pro, two
Speaker 1: times second team All Pro, and a defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. I think Terrell Suggs's argument would be I
Speaker 1: also was a defensive Player of the Year. I won
Speaker 1: a couple Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: I want it?
Speaker 1: Do I have it here? How many total career sacks
Speaker 1: he had? I have one hundred and thirty nine career sacks.
Speaker 1: And I think that rather than directly compare the two,
Speaker 1: they put them both in. So Terrell Suggs, sorry, Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson is not in. So Brees, Drew Brees, Larry Fitzgerald,
Speaker 1: Luke Keikley, and Darrell Suggs along with offensive lineman Willie Anderson.
Speaker 1: That is my projection for this year's Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I love doing this exercise. I'll never go four for
Speaker 1: four again. I also want to go ahead and plant
Speaker 1: my flag on I think it'd be pretty damn cool
Speaker 1: if they could find a way to get a Patriots class.
Speaker 1: So the problem is gonna be that Gronk is gonna
Speaker 1: be eligible before Tom. Gronk's final year was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Tom's final year was twenty twenty two. But if just
Speaker 1: maybe you could and Gronk deserves to be first ballot
Speaker 1: with a bullet, but Vince will Fork, Rodney Harrison are
Speaker 1: deserving at some point to be Hall of Famers. Adam
Speaker 1: Vint Terry at some point will get in. Gronk is
Speaker 1: eligible next year. If you could just tell Gronk wait
Speaker 1: one year and we're gonna have the first ever one
Speaker 1: team class with Brady, that would be pretty sick. Uh,
Speaker 1: and just the Patriot dynasty sweep the board. I think
Speaker 1: that'd be pretty sick. We should put this on the
Speaker 1: internet since Wilde is turning me back into a Patriots hater,
Speaker 1: so all the Patriot fans know I respect what they did.
Speaker 1: I'm planning my flag on. I came up with the idea,
Speaker 1: convince Gronk that it's not an insult. He's not first ballot.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to wait one more one extra year,
Speaker 1: and then everybody goes in with Tom Gronk, Vinitari will
Speaker 1: fork Rodney Brady, and that's your Hall of Fame class
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight. That'd be pretty sick, all right.
Speaker 1: So here's what we've got to do. Got to do
Speaker 1: our gambling show. So we're gonna step aside. We're gonna
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