1 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope 2 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: Guess what, Mango? 4 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: What's that will? 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: So a lot of us listen to audiobooks these days, 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: But something I learned just the other day. Did you 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: know that they were created almost one hundred years ago. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: That's right, Mango audiobooks one hundred years ago, and they 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: were originally produced specifically for blind people. 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: Wait, really, I thought audiobooks were invented like twenty years ago. 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Nope. Actually, back in the early twentieth century, the main 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: way for blind people to access written text was braille. 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: But you know, braille wasn't widely taught, so most folks 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: didn't know it all that well. And after World War 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: One there was this influx of soldiers coming home with 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: vision impairment from various war injuries. They didn't know how 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: to read braille either, so there was this sudden need 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 2: for technology to help them out. Now Conveniently, around the 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: same time, there had been this huge advancement in phonograph technology. 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: Early records only played five minutes of sound per side, 21 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: but now they could make records that could play up 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: to twenty five minutes of sound per side. So an 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 2: organization called the American Foundation for the Blind worked with 24 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 2: the US government and other organizations, and they produced these 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: spoken recordings of famous titles. They called this new medium 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: talking books. 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: I love a straightforward name. So what did they record first? 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 2: Well, the first talking books, which came out in nineteen 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: thirty four, included two Shakespeare plays, The Constitution, you know 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: had some good listening, and Washington's Farewell Address. But there 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: were also books by popular authors at the time like 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: Rudyard Kipling, PG. Woodhouse. And the creators of talking books 33 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: had some disagreement about whether they should focus on serious 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: books or things that people might actually be interested in 35 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: listening to. So they decided to compromise a little bit, 36 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: as you could from what we just mentioned there, and 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: so they did a little bit of both. 38 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean no shade to George Washington's farewell Address, 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: but I'd rather curl up with a good novel. 40 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. Now you'll be shocked 41 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: to learn that Talking books listeners also agreed with us. 42 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: The audio novels were especially popular, and as the program grew, 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: celebrities like Joan Crawford and Ossi Davis they all recorded 44 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: books for these. There was also an actor named Alexander 45 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: Scorby who became famous for his talking books work. He 46 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: recorded over four hundred of these things, including heavy tones 47 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 2: like the Iliad or in Peace, even the Bible, which 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: you can actually still listen to. 49 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: That's an impressive amount of reading and listening, I guess well, 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: from talking books to hearing aids to faucets of the future, 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: today's episode is all about assistive technology. It's high tech, 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: it's low tech, it is every tech in between, and 53 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it makes life a little easier for millions of people 54 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: every single day. So let's dive in. 55 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome to part time Genius. I'm 56 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 2: Will Pearson, and as always, I'm here with my good 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: friend Mangush hot ticketter and over there in the booth 58 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: recording his audiobook autobiography titled Here It is the Shocking 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: true story of a Palain producer. That's our Palain producer, 60 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: Dylan Fagan. 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to listen to that on my next 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: road trip at full volume because Dylan talks softly. Okay, 63 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: so quick note before we get started, the terms assistive 64 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: technology and adaptive technology are often used interchangeably, but there 65 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: is a slight difference. Assistive technology includes things that can 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: assist anyone. Adaptive tech is specifically designed for people with disabilities, 67 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: and today we'll be talking about both. 68 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. And while we're mostly talking about innovations 69 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: from the past couple of centuries, it is good to 70 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: remember that assistive and adaptive technology has been around for 71 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 2: thousands of years because people with disabilities and assistants' needs 72 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 2: have always existed. 73 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: For example, take the wheelchair. Today, there are all sorts 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: of specialized versions, right wheelchairs for athletes, wheelchairs for kids, 75 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: and hands free wheelchairs. But the history of the wheelchair 76 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: actually goes back to China around five twenty five CE, 77 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and that's the date of the first known representative image 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: of a wheelchair. It's a stone carving of a man 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: sitting in a chair with three wheels. Now, over the 80 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: next century, wheelchairs gave people mobility, but they didn't provide 81 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: much autonomy. Early wheelchairs had to be pushed by someone else, 82 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: and that bothered a young German watchmaker named Stefan Farfler, 83 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: who had become paraplegic after breaking his back as a kid. 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: He was sick of relying on others to get around. 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: So in sixteen fifty he built the first self propelled wheelchair. 86 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: It looked like a bulky recumbent tricycle, but it worked 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: by turning hand cranks attached to a gear front wheel. 88 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 2: Of course, he was a watchmaker. He knows his gears right. 89 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, he certainly did. Now fast forward to nineteen thirties California, 90 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: there is a mining engineer named Herbert Everest, and he 91 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: too relied on in a wheelchair to get around after being 92 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: paralyzed in an accident. And like Farfler, he had issues 93 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: with his wheelchair, namely because it was really heavy and 94 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: hard to transport. So Everest talked to a mechanical engineer 95 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: named Harry Jennings, and together they designed a new lightweight 96 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: wheelchair that was also foldable. And this X frame wheelchair 97 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 1: is more or less what the standard wheelchair you see 98 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: in a hospital is based on. And what is so 99 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: cool about these stories is neither Farflur nor Everest were 100 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: trained in this kind of product design, but as people 101 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: with disabilities, they knew firsthand what the problems were and 102 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: they decided to solve them. Well. 103 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: Sticking with the historical angle for our next fact, let's 104 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: talk about ear trumpets, which is just such a great 105 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: name for our product. And now the idea of an 106 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: ear trumpet has been around for hundreds of years and 107 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: actually maybe even more than that. 108 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: It's funny because I really associate them with like the 109 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: nineteenth century, Like didn't Beethoven use them? 110 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: He did, yes, you remember from your history books, and 111 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: that was in their heyday. But there are reports of 112 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: folks using hollowed out horns to help with hearing issues 113 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: as far back as the thirteenth century. So the way 114 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: they work is pretty simple. You can actually picture these things. 115 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: The funnel shape strengthens the impact of sound waves on 116 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: the ear drum, making the sound easier to hear. Now, 117 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: of course, hearing aids have made them obsolete, but unlike 118 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: hearing aids, ear trumpets came in all kinds of incredible 119 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: elaborate designs. So today the largest collection of ear trumpets 120 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: in the world is owned by a man named Michael Briggs. 121 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: He's this retired engineer from England and he's also the 122 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: owner of the website eartrumpets dot net, which, if ear 123 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: trumpets are your thing, that is pro probably worth bookmarking. 124 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: Mango I'm definitely going to check that out right after this. 125 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: How many trumpets does he own. 126 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: So as of this recording, because I feel like he's 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: probably going to have more soon. It was five hundred 128 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: and sixty four, and he has some great examples. There's 129 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: this one from nineteen hundred that looks like a beehive, 130 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: or one from eighteen eighty six where the trumpet is 131 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: concealed within a folding fan, another one where the funnel 132 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: is made from a conk shell. But you know, I'm 133 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: partial to the tortoises shell one that has this pair 134 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: of matching glasses attached to the end. It's just pretty 135 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: fun to look at. 136 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: I know, I like the idea of assistive devices as 137 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: basically doubling as fashion accessories Like that feels like a great. 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Thing, totally stylish and functional, sort of the best of 139 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: both worlds. 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: So next, I want to talk about a technology that 141 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: has become absolutely much more recently. It was created in 142 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and it was called the opticon. 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: That sounds that sounds like something from a sci fi novel. 144 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a shape right, Well, it definitely seems futureteristic, 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: and it was when it was invented. As you were 146 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: saying at the top of the show, braill is useful, 147 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: but it has limits. So not only do you have 148 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: to know how to read it, someone has to translate 149 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: the original text, which may be possible for books and 150 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: public signage, but not for all the text you encounter 151 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Like I was reading an account 152 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: by this woman named Debbie Stein, and she was reflecting 153 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: on her life in the nineteen sixties and early seventies. 154 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: Now Debbie is blind, and she gave the example of 155 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: cleaning out her purse. If she wanted to sort through 156 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: her receipts and old grocery lists in order to decide 157 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: what to keep and what to throw out, she'd have 158 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: to wait until a friend or a paid reader was 159 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: there to help. 160 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: I mean that sounds like a constant hassle. 161 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. And so these days there are text to speech 162 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: devices and other technologies that can scan and read written text. 163 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: But back then, people like Debbie were stuck. Enter a 164 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: Stanford electrical engineering professor, his name was John Linville. Now 165 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: John was cited, but his daughter Candy was blind and 166 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: she struggled with limited materials in braille. So in nineteen 167 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: sixty two. With help from his colleagues, John began work 168 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: on a solution, a portable device that could read almost 169 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: any written material, regardless of what or where it was, 170 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: and in the early nineteen seventies the opticon was born. 171 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: So here's how it worked. With one hand, you'd move 172 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: a small camera over the text you wanted to read. 173 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: In your other hand, you'd have a fingertip sized receiver 174 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: filled with one hundred and forty four tiny metal rods. 175 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: When the camera scanned the text, the opticon would convert 176 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: each letter or symbol to a specific vibration pattern that 177 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: was sent to the rods, which you would then detect 178 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: with your finger. 179 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: So I'm trying to understand how this works. So would 180 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: you feel the shape of the words or what? 181 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: Basically like? It took some practice to get the hang 182 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: of it. In fact, a two week training course was 183 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: required with each purchase, but for people who learned it 184 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: it was life changing. Like Debbie, you know, the one 185 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: with the clutter purse. She got her first opticon in 186 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven, and while she said it was slower 187 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: than using braille, it gave her access to a lot 188 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: more text so she could read whatever she wanted whenever 189 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 1: she wanted, not just magazines or newspapers, but like bills 190 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: or flyers, menus, LP jackets, basically anything. 191 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 2: This guy's a lemon. I feel like you should keep naming, 192 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: just keep going. 193 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: Well almost deb said the only thing that optacons struggled 194 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: with was cursive writing, but clearprint was generally fine. So 195 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: if you're going to write her a letter, you had 196 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: to do it neatly, which is probably good advice anyway, 197 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: I think. 198 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: All right, so what you said, this is obsolete now, 199 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: though like it sounds like it could still be pretty handy, right, Yeah. 200 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: I mean a company called Telesensory Systems manufactured and sold 201 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: opticons for a couple of decades, but they discontinued them 202 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six as optical character readers became more popular. 203 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: If you dig around on eBay, though, you can still 204 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: find some vintage opticons out there. 205 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: That's very cool. All right, we have to take a 206 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: quick break. But when we come back, synthesized voices, future faucets, 207 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: and the assistive technology that was so powerful started its 208 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: own effect. Don't go anywhere. Welcome back to part time Genius, 209 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: where we're talking about assistive technology. All right, mego, I 210 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: got a question for you. How many times a day 211 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: do you use the sink? 212 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: I mean, wash my hands, brush my teeth, and glass 213 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: of water? I don't know, maybe a dozen times. 214 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't always think about them, but the fact 215 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: is we all depend on faucets. Now. The problem is, 216 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: if you have a spinal cord injury or something that 217 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: limits your arm or hand mobility, standard faucets might not 218 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: work well for you. Of course, there are motion sensor faucets, 219 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: as you probably know, but those aren't perfect either. 220 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean I feel like I was 221 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: in airports this week trying to get the sinks and 222 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: the motion tests with work, and you've just spent so 223 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: much time like waving your hand into these things. Yeah. 224 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to find the combo of the sink 225 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: that works and the soap dispenser that works, So you 226 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: end up like just waving it under the soap then squirts, 227 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 2: then you move on to the wrong sink and it's 228 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: just but anyway, but think about the nozzle too, Like 229 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: it points straight down, which works for washing your hands, 230 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: but isn't great if you have limited mobility and you're 231 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 2: trying to wash your face or brush your teeth. 232 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually I hadn't thought of that, but I 233 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: can see how that would be a problem. 234 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a problem that a new faucet called 235 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: the Access H two O is actually trying to solve. 236 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: So what's cool about it is instead of just one 237 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: way to control the water and one way to access it, 238 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: there are multiple options and it really depends on the 239 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: user's needs and their various abilities. 240 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. So tell me how does this work. 241 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's not available to the public just yet, so 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: most of what I know comes from this study that 243 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 2: was published last year. But according to that study, there 244 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: are three ways to activate the faucet and adjust the 245 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: temperature and the water volume. There's a motion sensor, an 246 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: I gay sensor, and a voice sensor, so you can 247 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: choose what works best for you. Plus there are different 248 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: nozzle options. There's the downward facing nozzle and two on 249 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 2: the top that can point up and can be used 250 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: like a drinking fountain or you know, for washing your 251 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: face or something like that. It's all still in development. 252 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: So the study was testing its effectiveness with a group 253 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: of eighteen people with various spinal cord injuries. So with 254 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: standard faucets, most of the people needed some level of 255 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: assistance for drinking or rinsing their mouths or even washing 256 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: their faces. But with the access H two O faucet, 257 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: almost all of the testers could do these tasks independently, 258 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 2: which is pretty great. 259 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: You know, what I'm really taking from my conversation today 260 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: is the best assistive tech lets people do the things 261 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: they need and want to do on their own terms. 262 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. It's all about allowing people 263 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: to live their lives as autonomously as possible. 264 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: So another new device in this vein is something called 265 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: the Obi robot. Obi's creators call it assistive tech for 266 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: inde pendant dining, and it is for people who can 267 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: chew and swallow on their own, but have trouble with 268 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: the mechanics of feeding themselves. Because if you're relying on 269 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: a caregiver to like help you eat, not only do 270 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: you not necessarily get to choose when to eat, you 271 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: might not get to choose the exact bite you wanted 272 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: at that moment or the piece you want to eat at. 273 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: Which I know can be incredibly frustrating and losing that 274 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: independence and making those choices. So how does the OBI work. 275 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: Put Simply, it mimics the human arm, So it does 276 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: require another person to put spoon sized food into one 277 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: or all of its four bowls, but then Obi takes 278 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: it from there. The robotic arm connects to a spoon 279 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: or a spork, It scoops up a bite of food 280 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: and then brings it to your mouth. 281 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: And the person eating is controlling all of this or what? 282 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly? They can choose which bowl Obi takes from 283 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: and when they take the bite. And also it's portable, 284 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: so you can take it to restaurants or a friend's house, 285 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: or you can use it whenever you'd like. There's this 286 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: example from one user, a ten year old girl. She 287 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: said one of the things she liked about OBI was 288 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: that now she could join the school book club, which 289 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: meant during lunchtimes, she could bring Obi with her to 290 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: the meeting and eat her meal with everyone else, all 291 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: while they hung out and talked about books. 292 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: Hey, you got to love anything that makes it easier 293 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: to join a book club. I think that's top of 294 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 2: the list there. But all right, mego, So for my 295 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: next fact, I want to talk about augmentative and alternative 296 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 2: communication or AAC. Now, the term actually encompasses any way 297 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: you might communicate without speech, like even physical gestures. But 298 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 2: I'm going to focus here on something called aided modes, 299 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: which refers to using a device that assists in communication. Now, 300 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: the overarching goal of AAC is to give someone with 301 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: speech disabilities a way to communicate, either through words or 302 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: expressing emotions or opinions like indicating yes or no. Now, 303 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: when it comes to aided AAC, perhaps the most famous 304 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: example is Stephen Hawking. So Hawking had als and had 305 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: of course lost the ability to speak, and this was 306 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty five. So he used a computer 307 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: system where he could select letters, words, even phrases on 308 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: a screen and a synthesized voice would speak them. Now, 309 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: after losing the ability to press the switch with his hands, 310 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: he began using his cheek muscle to control the selection. 311 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 2: But what I actually find most interesting is that he 312 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: used the exact same voice for the rest of his life, 313 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: and even when his software became outdated, he didn't want 314 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: to give it up. And I kind of see that, right, like, 315 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: there was the voice that we all associated so strongly 316 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: with Stephen Hawking. 317 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: In some ways, I totally get that, because, like, you 318 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: want that continuity. But I'm also kind of surprised like 319 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: someone in that position, you know, a professor, a scholar, 320 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: like public intellectual, like, it also feels like you might 321 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: want to keep your cutting edge and it's funny that 322 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: you relied on older technology. 323 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of interesting to hear him talk 324 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: about this. So when he was asked about this, he said, quote, 325 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: I keep it because I have not heard a voice 326 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: I like better, and because I have identified with it. 327 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: And if you think about it, your voice is such 328 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: a strong personal thing, like it's of who you are, 329 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: and so it'd be tough to give up a voice 330 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: just for a software update, you know. But here's the thing. 331 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 2: There are millions of people with communication disabilities, and not 332 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: everyone has access to high tech AAC devices like the 333 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 2: custom Intel setup that Hawking was using, and people who 334 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 2: aren't as famous as Hawking often run into other challenges 335 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: like people getting impatient with the time it takes for 336 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: them to express themselves, or people assume that a lack 337 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 2: of verbal ability indicates a lack of intelligence. 338 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: You know. 339 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: So while there is incredible AAC technology out there, it 340 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: only makes an impact if people who need it have 341 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 2: access to it. And if people are given the time 342 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 2: in the space, they need to communicate in their own way, 343 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: you know, whether they want to talk about theoretical physics 344 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 2: or the latest Marvel movie. 345 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Well, we did 346 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: say at the beginning of the show that we talk 347 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: about some low tech, and this next tech is about 348 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: as low as it gets. I'm referring, of course, to 349 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: the curb cut. So you know those little inclines that 350 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: lead from the street to the sidewalk or vice versa. 351 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: The first intentional curb cut was built in Kalamazoo, Michigan, 352 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five. But the movement that really made 353 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: curb cuts such an integral part of American sidewalks happened 354 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: in Berkeley in the nineteen sixties. It was a lot 355 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: of progressive activism in Berkeley at that time, and among 356 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: the people calling for change was a group of students 357 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: with disabilities. And for all the peace and love going 358 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: around Berkeley, sidewalks were not accessible for wheelchair users, so 359 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: people had to roll down the street hoping they didn't 360 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: get hit by a car. 361 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: It must have been terrifying. 362 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, these activists call themselves the Rolling Quads, 363 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: and they did whatever they could to make themselves heard. 364 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: There are even stories about members blowing up curbs and 365 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: installing their own ramps in the dead of night as protests, 366 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: and some of these stories are probably exaggerated, but the 367 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: point stands right like, the city needed to change, and 368 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: thanks to these activists work, in nineteen seventy two, Berkeley 369 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: finally installed its first curb cut, right on the edge 370 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: of the university campus on Telegraph and Bancroft, and the 371 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: disability rights movement kept up the pressure and slowly other 372 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: cities began to install curb cuts as well, and finally, 373 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety the Americans with Disabilities Act made curb 374 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: cuts mandatory in a lot of places. The law is 375 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: not perfect. I'm sure you've seen examples of sidewalks without them, 376 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: but it has made a huge difference. 377 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: You know, for most of my life, I didn't really 378 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: have to pay attention to curb cuts, but you know, 379 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: once you have kids, and especially kids in strollers, like 380 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: that makes you really notice them and you know where 381 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: they were and where they weren't. 382 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, same, And that's one of the great things about 383 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: this humble dip in the pavement right. It is like 384 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: such a great example of assistive technology because it helps 385 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,479 Speaker 1: people with strollers, people using walkers, people pushing carts or 386 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: carrying luggage. Right, Like curb cuts basically make life easier 387 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: for everyone, so much so that there's even a term 388 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: for it, the curb cut effect. It's the idea that 389 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: if you design for all abilities, you actually make a 390 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: better product for everyone. 391 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of inclusive design, the last item on our 392 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 2: list is another example of something that's become so much 393 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: more than it was initially meant to be. I'm talking, 394 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 2: of course, about closed captions. 395 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even if you're a hearing person. Captions 396 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: are great when you're trying to watch a show without 397 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: waking someone up, or if you're watching something in another language, 398 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: or even with like a thick British accent. 399 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: I feel like it's helpful, super helpful, you know. So 400 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 2: a couple quick definitions because the terminology is a little 401 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: counterintuitive here. Captions are different from subtitles because they include 402 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: descriptive sound information like sound effects or music. They'll also 403 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: indicate if someone is yelling or singing or whatever they 404 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 2: happen to be doing. Close captioning refers to the text 405 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: that you can choose to see or not. Open captioning 406 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: means the text is always visible on the screen anyway. 407 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: To get back to our story here, in the early days, 408 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: TV wasn't made with deaf and hard of hearing people 409 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: in mind. By the early nineteen seventies, there were some 410 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: education films with open captioning, and PBS had a few 411 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: shows with open captions, but it wasn't until March nineteen 412 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: eighty that the first closed caption programs were Broadcast networks 413 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 2: worked with a newly formed organization. It was called the 414 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 2: National Captioning Institute, and they provided this service. However, to 415 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: access the captions, you had to have a separate closed 416 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: caption decoder set up on your TV. 417 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: So in practice it was still pretty limited. 418 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, the selection was also limited, so before long people 419 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: began asking for more closed caption programming. Soap operas, kids shows, 420 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: talk shows, all the things that people watched in the 421 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 2: eighties when you think about it, and over time those 422 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: started getting captioned. But all of these programs have something 423 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: in common. They are pre recorded, which meant there was 424 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: an important category that was missing. 425 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: I know, live TV, right like you think about sports 426 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: or like the Oscars, no one wants to watch that 427 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: the next. 428 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: Day, right, And the same goes for things like breaking news. 429 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: So in nineteen eighty two, real time close captioning debuted 430 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: to minimize lag time as much as possible. The National 431 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 2: Captioning Institute actually hired court reporters who are notoriously fast hypers. 432 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: By the early nineteen nineties, all new TVs came with 433 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 2: a caption decoding microchip built in so you didn't have 434 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 2: to buy a separate device, and almost all shows were 435 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: required to have captioning, which is how we got to 436 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 2: where we are today, where it's ubiquitous and again useful 437 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: for so many different people. 438 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: Well, well, because you introduced me to my new favorite website, 439 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 1: ear trumpets dot net, I think you deserve today's trophy. 440 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: Oh man, I can't believe you had this trophy made 441 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: in the shape of an ear trumpet. 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