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Speaker 1: What was your initial reaction to this news that we

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Speaker 1: kind of saw coming.

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Speaker 2: Well, I figured last night when the Mets made the

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Speaker 2: deal for Robert Junior, that it was pretty much a

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Speaker 2: done deal that Bellinger was going to come back to

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Speaker 2: the Yankees. I'm glad it happened. I think he makes

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Speaker 2: the team more versatile. I think he makes them better

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Speaker 2: than they were without him. They're basically back to where

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Speaker 2: they were at the end of last season, so I

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Speaker 2: still think there's probably some more work to do. It'd

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Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens with the other outfielders

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Speaker 2: on their roster. Now if you figure that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Bellinger is going to play left field, usually right and

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Speaker 2: maybe spare judge and right field, maybe play a little

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Speaker 2: bit of first base to spare Ben Rice once in

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Speaker 2: a while. You know, how much is Jason dimingez This

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Speaker 2: is playing time going to be affected. What happens to

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Speaker 2: top prospect Spencer Jones? Do they maybe trade one of

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Speaker 2: those guys we've heard Freddy Peralta mentioned. So, now that

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Speaker 2: you got this big move out of the way, it

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Speaker 2: kind of allows you to fill in the rest of

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Speaker 2: the roster your current assets. But I'm glad to have

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Speaker 2: him back. I thought he was a great Yankee. I

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Speaker 2: thought he played extremely well in his first season, and

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Speaker 2: he has to have done pretty well for himself. I

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Speaker 2: mean last year he was traded for Cody Potit from

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Speaker 2: the Cubs and he got DF eight about a week later.

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Speaker 2: And now Bellinger a year later is getting you know,

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Speaker 2: thirty two million dollars a year contract. So it worked

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Speaker 2: out well for him.

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Speaker 3: First two years. By the way, he makes forty two

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Speaker 3: and a half, so he makes more than Aaron Judge.

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Speaker 3: Just sand Derek just throwing it out there. Those are

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Speaker 3: not my opinion, that's just the fact. So I hope

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Speaker 3: you guys understand that for the next two years, Cody

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Speaker 3: Bellinger is making more than Aaron Judge, who obviously has

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Speaker 3: been MVP so many times, home runs, all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: So just to understand that he did pretty well, Cody

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Speaker 3: Bellinger did. But I want to know what took so long.

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Speaker 3: This was reported like two weeks ago that hey, the

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Speaker 3: Yankees have said, here's the offer. Did it take the

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Speaker 3: Mets being out where the Mets really the only other

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Speaker 3: suitor because if it was the Blue Jays like we

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Speaker 3: heard about, and there was other teams, well, this Yankee

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Speaker 3: offer has been on the table for a long time.

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Speaker 2: What changed, Well, you know, the Mets obviously losing a

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Speaker 2: spot in the outfield. You know that took away one

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Speaker 2: of their suitors. I think you know Boris does this.

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Speaker 2: He likes to go to the limit with his guys,

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Speaker 2: take his free agencies as deep as he can. I

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Speaker 2: think Cody Bellinger ultimately wanted to know where he was

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Speaker 2: going to be. He enjoyed his time with the Yankees.

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Speaker 2: Why change, you know, go beat the Blue Jays, right,

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Speaker 2: don't don't join them, Let's beat them. Let's let's win

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Speaker 2: the division. I mean you lost it by you know,

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Speaker 2: just the head to head matchup last year. Maybe this

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Speaker 2: year we come out and beat him. And I think

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Aaron Judge. I don't think Aaron Judge cares

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Speaker 2: about salary. Aaron Judge at this point wants to win

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Speaker 2: a ring. He's you know, he's accomplished everything you can

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Speaker 2: do from an individual standpoint, other than maybe the Triple Crown. Right.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's won a gold Glove yet, but

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Speaker 2: you know he wants a ring. And he still probably

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Speaker 2: has that bad taste in his mouth from the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four World Series against the Dodgers, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we saw him erupting the postseason this year. Unfortunately the

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Speaker 2: Yankees couldn't get it done. He wants to accomplish something

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Speaker 2: while he's still young enough to maintain these you know,

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Speaker 2: these powers that he's got, right, So I think, you know,

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Speaker 2: Cody hitting in front of Judge helps him. You know,

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Speaker 2: he basically said, you know, I'm gonna get better pitches

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Speaker 2: to hit in front of AJ. Let me go back there.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good move for everybody. It makes

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Speaker 2: the Yankees more versatile. You know, he can play left,

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Speaker 2: he can play first, he can play center, he can

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Speaker 2: play right. He's a hustler right, he plays good baseball.

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Speaker 2: The Yankees don't have a lot of guys who cut

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Speaker 2: the Yankees in a number of different ways. And I

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Speaker 2: we're not gonna bit against ourselves. If you have a

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Speaker 2: better offer, than take it. And obviously that didn't happen.

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Speaker 4: Did you feel confident in that. Did you feel confident

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Speaker 4: when that came out that they were sticking firm and

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Speaker 4: who would we pivot to if we don't get Cody?

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Speaker 4: And were you confident that the Yankees didn't need to

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Speaker 2: I was not super confident that he would come back.

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Speaker 2: We read about a week ago that the Yankees were

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Speaker 2: willing to let him walk, And when you figured that

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Speaker 2: the Mets and Blue Jays were both in it, you

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Speaker 2: thought maybe one of them might go crazy and outbid

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Speaker 2: he's let people walk before. And they basically made their

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Speaker 2: this is more than fair. They are added in some

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Speaker 2: more digestible for him. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: he's getting paid thirty two million dollars to hit in

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Speaker 2: front Aaron Judge. I don't think it's that bad of

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Speaker 3: No, it's not bad, all right, Well you mentioned a

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Speaker 3: little bit who goes. Domingo is young, still hasn't really

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Speaker 3: faith in Spencer Jones. But now you have Grisham Bellinger

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Speaker 3: judge in the outfield with Stanton. If they truly want

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Speaker 3: to play Ben Rice at first base, who goes? Because

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. And you also have a mad

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Speaker 2: he could play third base there's a lefty on them.

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Speaker 2: I say, he's another one of these utility pieces. You know, personally,

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Speaker 2: liked to have seen a bit more power. But he's

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Speaker 2: but like you said, he is he's not a bad outfielder.

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Speaker 2: forty percent clip in Triple A. So it's like pick

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna move either one of them.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me if they let Spencer Jones kind of,

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Speaker 2: how he does against those that next crop of Triple

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Speaker 2: and then maybe you take another look. But as of

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Speaker 2: a deal for someone like Freddy Peralta. You know, maybe

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Speaker 2: your package of Jones A Domingez with a Will Warren

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Speaker 4: People who don't know Derek. He's lost a lot of

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Speaker 4: I guess that's where it's at. But we had this discussion.

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Speaker 4: I know you're not I think you said when you

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Speaker 4: froze that you're not good at predictions. But as a

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Speaker 4: the starting pitcher is Freddy Peralta. You don't get to

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Speaker 4: choose who you get rid of. The Brewers say we want,

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Speaker 4: and they probably agree with you that they would want

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Speaker 2: I think you'd have to do it. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: I mean he's durable, thirty starts a year, he misses bats.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's only eight million dollars this year that

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Speaker 2: wouldn't trade to get Freddy Peralta and Will Warren. He's

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Speaker 2: the Yankees do have a lot of like young pitching,

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Speaker 2: So I think a Spencer Jones and a Will Warren

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Speaker 2: for Freddy Peralta, even if it is just one year

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Speaker 2: of control. You pair up Freddy Peralta with Max fried

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Speaker 2: it sounds like that that could be an issue again

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Speaker 2: this year. So if he comes back strong, you had

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Speaker 2: a really good year last year, you're looking at a

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Speaker 2: You got Cam Schlitzler. I mean Cam Slitler, what he

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Speaker 2: he's got a trouble digit fastball, he's shown success at

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Speaker 4: Let me just say this.

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Speaker 3: I proposed all of that and stop rolling, and Aeric

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Speaker 4: I did not say that one year of Freddy. Don't

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Speaker 3: I was like, you're crazy. You're crazy if you give

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Speaker 2: They might say that, but I mean when you're talking

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Speaker 2: He was seventeen and six. I believe he had an

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this, Derek, how much of

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Speaker 4: Years over hype in the prospects.

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Speaker 3: Right here we are, we got you going, Spencer Jones,

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd have to look at Pavetta's numbers. I've

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Speaker 2: So I think you got to improve the major league

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Speaker 4: Let's say those prices are too steep to trade for anybody.

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Speaker 4: I don't see Framber Valdez coming into the mix. Do

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Speaker 2: I could see it. It depends on what the asking

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Speaker 2: it's in these reclamation projects. They tend to find guys

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Speaker 4: Last I said, last one, where do they end up?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's January twenty first, so it's tough to

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Speaker 2: if the season started today, I'd probably have the Yankees

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Speaker 2: That being said, you know, anything can happen in baseball,

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Speaker 2: right People get hurt, people get traded, you know, roster

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Speaker 2: Red Sox Wildcard series. If I had to make my

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