WEBVTT - One on One: Traci Lords 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:17.680 I am all in, kiss you, I am all in 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.799 with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast Everybody Scott Patterson. Here, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.280 we're gonna bring in a very very special guest, somebody 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.600 I have known for thirty years. She was I start 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.440 opposite her UM in a little film way back in 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:41.559 the day, UM called Intend to Kill. It was my 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:44.320 first real job, paying job. It kept me in l 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.599 A and it kept me hanging in there. Um and 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:53.760 Tracy is impossible to categorize. While her early notoriety brought 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.280 her international fame, her determination, grit and talent have garnered 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.880 her respect in many areas of the entertainment industry and 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.680 wait till I read this off to very very impressive. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.119 She has appeared in dozens of films and television shows, 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.399 from Roger Corman's Not of This Earth, Cry Baby by 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:12.000 John Waters, Blade Zack and Mirra Make a Porno Um 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.800 to Excision from Melrose Place to Roseanne Will and Grace 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:20.320 Gilmore Girls Uh two series regular roles on NBC's The Profiler, 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.960 sci Fi's First Wave. Her autobiography, Tracy Lords Underneath It 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.320 All HarperCollins, was a New York Times bestseller and has 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.720 been optioned for a mini series. Her pioneering techno album 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.000 One Thousand Fires radio Active m c A topped the 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.280 Billboard Dance Chart and was featured on both Mortal Kombat 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:44.560 and Virtuosity soundtracks. That is an amazing accomplishment. UM. Her 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.320 directorial debut, Sweet Pea, was produced under the auspices of 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:52.800 the renowned Fox Search Lab. She is currently a contributing 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.920 designer at pin Up Girl Clothing. Her line, Tracy Lords 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.240 for the Tour for Everybody, can be found at pin 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.680 Up Girls Clothing dot com. She lives in Los Angeles 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.360 with her husband son and their rescue German shepherd Ladies 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.640 and gentlemen. I give you the one, the only, Tracy Lords. 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.720 High Scott, how are you doing, Tracy? You look great. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.800 Thank you. It's been a minute. Um, it's been a 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.360 hot minute for sure. You know. I'm sitting here reading 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:24.200 your bio. Your bio is so packed with so many interesting, 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.800 eclectic things, and you've been so successful at so many 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.160 things that I'm not even gonna go into that now. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.680 I'm just gonna do a separate introduction for you. I 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.560 just want to get into this, uh, this Gilmore stuff. Anyway. 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:42.840 First of all, how are you life is good. Yeah. Year, Yeah, 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.840 knock and forth between l A and Atlanta and New York. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.600 I'm on the East coast right now, and I did 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:54.079 a film and during the pandemic, which was very strange. Um, 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.880 just because I don't know how much you did during 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.440 the pandemic, but I think being in the bubbles as 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.200 actors and having to wait outside and not having the 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:06.040 connection to each other that we're used to having was 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.520 very strange. It was really strange. Yeah. Yeah. We just 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.200 kind of huddled in our house and I have a 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.960 young son and a wife and and we uh we 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:19.440 took a lot of walks when we were not allowed to. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:25.400 And um, I wrote, Yeah, and I wrote a lot 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:30.480 of music and I created a podcast and it's pretty productive. 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.560 But yeah, I mean it was definitely not visiting people, uh, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.040 not losing the connections that I built up at staying 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.800 in touch which was daily. But you know, we got 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.200 through it. We got through it. UM powered through. So 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:48.920 let's talk about, UM, how you got the show? Who 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:52.360 contacted you first? To take us through that process where 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.480 you became aware that that Gilmore Girls was interested in 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.800 you or that there was an audition? How did it 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:05.280 tell us about it um it was. I had met 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.840 Amy Sherman, how you know, earlier, not even I don't. 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.760 I don't believe it was even for the Gilmer Girls, 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.920 for something else she was doing. And you know, the 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.920 girl Gilmore Girls was really on a role and they 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.680 were looking for this character. And I was actually with 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.680 my husband and my young son, our young son in 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.640 Hawaii at the time when the audition came in. So 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:29.640 I came actually I was just cast in the offer 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.120 came in for the Gilmore Girls, and so I came 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.880 back early and I ended up one set and it 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.440 was the first time I'd seen you, I think in 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.880 maybe ten years. So we did that little HBO shoot 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.640 him up action movie back in the day, and that's 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:50.160 what I remembered you from. God that was thirty years ago. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.680 Machine right, Yeah, Yeah, that was that was something. Yeah, 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.680 we met on a little film that you were the 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.599 bas sub you were, you were the executive producer. I 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:04.799 believe we're one of the one of the main producers 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:12.440 with PM Entertainment, Charles can Gannis and called into and 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.680 it was a fun little film and it was I 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:17.440 was headed back to New York. I had given up 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:19.520 hope and and then I got a phone call and 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.479 had this audition and got the part. Charlie offered it 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.279 to me right in the room and I was like, yeah, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.520 all right, you know, um, and it was fun. It 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.360 was like we did big stunts in the middle of 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:33.400 the night on on Hollywood Boulevard with car crashes and fire. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.719 It was just like it was kind of cool. Yeah. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:38.880 I mean, we would never get to do that, not 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:43.560 in that way any different procedures. And I looked back 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.839 at it now and I think, wow, we weren't killed. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.159 But I mean it was really I mean, especially that night, 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:53.279 it felt like a big budget film and like, what 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:55.680 in the heck is a little movie doing this all 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.080 this big stuff, all this big demolition and the stunts 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.160 and the whole thing. That's a pensive. So I don't 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.599 know how they pulled it off, but it was. It 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:05.960 was large. You know. It's funny because p M Entertainment 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.240 really they had a thing about that. It's they did 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.040 what they did, they did really well. It reminds me 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.400 of like, um, I don't know, working for Roger Corman 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.120 in the in the lumber Yard in Santa Monica, which 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.400 you know I did, so I did my first not 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:23.640 of this Earth was there with Jim nor Sky and 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.840 that kind of like fly by the seat of your pants, 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:30.400 this is happening. We've got fifteen pages today and we've 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.240 got to get our day one take to take. Okay, 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:39.640 great movie that it all worked, which I prefer, you know, 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:43.599 I love working that way. Um, well, yeah, it's it's 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.120 it's It's sort of reminiscent of the stage, isn't it, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:49.720 because you've got to just bring it. You go out 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:51.320 there and you just have to bring it. You got 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:54.760 to get it in one or two or just like 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:57.640 that too. There's such a rhythm to the show, and 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:01.839 in particular Natalie Zimman, the role that I played, she 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.400 was just real fast talking, and I remember one of 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.720 the first things the feedback that I got because I 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.880 actually didn't speak to her to Amy, was that we 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.200 need somebody with Tracy Lowd's energy, because I think I 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:16.720 have a I can I had that New York kind 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:21.640 of fast talking, don't slow down thing, and they wanted 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.800 her to be that way. That was the note that 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.640 they gave me. And I just remember um thinking that 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.880 it was an audition and being told that it was 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.760 actually an offer, and just being so happy to be 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.640 invited to your party because I'm such a fan of 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.720 the show and because just what a cast, my god. 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.000 So you yeah, really, I mean every day was like, 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:45.200 you know, going to play with the All Stars. It was. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.240 It was. It was a heck of a lot of fun, 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:48.960 but you really needed to bring your a game or 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.200 else you were going to be in trouble. Um. Yeah. 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.240 And the writing, my god, so good. With the dialogue. 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:58.480 It was lots of dialogue right in the big rhythm 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:03.040 and everything about that show. So it was it was awesome. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.320 You know. It was a lot easier of a job 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.040 then I think, and I realized at the time, because 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.640 all of the heavy lifting had been done for you 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:15.400 with the dialogue, right. So, I mean, the dialogue kind 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.600 of told you where to go, stand and where to move, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.800 I mean, if it's a ten page scene. And I 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.559 think that was the the best part of it because 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.160 we didn't really have to I mean, we had to 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.200 be open. We had to have our you know, sort 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:33.040 of actors process open and functioning in the whole thing. Uh. 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.800 But when you just went through a couple of paces 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.559 in rehearsal, you know, the writing guided you where you 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.600 needed to go. It was all kind of logical, and 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.240 it wasn't hard work, you know, it just wasn't hard 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.120 figuring it out. It was all sort of like a 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.560 roadmap right in there with a dialogue. So from the 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:55.920 very beginning, did you feel that way from the very beginning, Yes, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.080 from the very very beginning, because they threw it right away, 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.040 and I told the story before they threw it. I 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.160 think it was the first day or the second day. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:08.840 We're in production at Warner Brothers on season one, and 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.280 it was six am or five hours. Lauren and I 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:12.640 were in the makeup chair and they threw a ten 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.280 page scene at us. It was just hot out of 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:15.880 the writer's room. We had to memorize it and go 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.800 shoot it right then, and we were terrified at the beginning, 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.880 but then we did it because the rhythm of the 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.640 writing is just sort of song, you know, emotionally logical 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:30.200 that you you just sort of remember it. You know 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.880 that it just makes sense. So we went and did it, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.520 and we gained the confidence that we could do that 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.120 sort of thing on that show because because of the writing. 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:42.880 Um so let me ask you, Um, you were let 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.720 go as Emily's designer because of all that controversy and 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.560 being pulled in different directions and all that. It was 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:51.400 a great episode, by the way. You were great in it. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.160 Um Um. You had a lot of scenes with Lauren Graham. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:00.360 What what was she like to work with? Absolutely her, 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.600 she was completely a pro. She um really giving as 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.920 an actress, and she was just really lovely. I mean, 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:12.480 obviously you guys had the benefit of just living in 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:15.600 those characters for so long, and I find you know, 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:19.160 walking onto a set where you're a guest actor can 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:23.600 be really intimidating because just you've you've got it all 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.560 on your bones and you're having a couple of coffee 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.680 and here's new new new words or pages or whatever, 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.080 and you're like, yeah, whatever. And it's the guest stars 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.360 that really sweat it because you got it just somehow 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:39.960 immersed yourselves and find that reality really fast. There's no 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.520 room to to get comfortable. There really isn't. But she 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.360 was really lovely and that she she made me comfortable, 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.000 She made me feel welcome, and she was just really giving. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.640 So I really loved it. I loved that I got 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:52.720 to work with her. What was it like you remember 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.679 that first scene you did with her in Luke's diner. 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.760 Do you remember that day in the diner? Yeah, where 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.040 I'm I'm sort of way some poetic about different types 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:08.280 of wallpaper, So anything else you can remember about it. See. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:12.200 The downer was when you came in and you were 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:18.040 going on about um about uh you know, when you're 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.920 some You had some smartass remark that you said about, yeah, 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.920 making things pretty when you girls are done making things pretty, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.520 and you started just right right away, you know, in 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:35.040 on me trying to blow my job. I don't know, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:40.760 he was he had his moments, didn't he ult right? Yeah, 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.600 that was a Yeah, that was a character. Yeah, that 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:44.680 was that was the guy. I don't know. I just 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.640 I just figured he needed to be. Everybody was so 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:52.679 um sunny in that cast. There just needed to be 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.960 one for you. Well, I mean I think I think 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.640 I think Emily and I uh provided some a much 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.599 needed counterpoint to all that sunshine. Maybe you know what 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:11.560 I mean. Yeah, I just anyway, um charming, kind of sexy. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.280 Think about your character too, you know, he he was 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.440 a little bit crusty, he's a little bit salty. He 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.839 liked to kind of poke at things, and it's got 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.480 to be this way. But there's still something really charming 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.240 and kind of sexy about him too, which is I 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.720 think why it worked right right and great chemistry with Lauren. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.200 I mean that that we just had that from day one. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.079 You know, you can't act that. You can't you can't 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.320 fake that. It's either there it's not. As you well know, 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.760 you have enough experience um to know. You walk on 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.200 a set, you either feel it or you don't. You know, 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.400 it's just it's either there it's not. And you you know, 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:47.400 you could be getting along with a person wonderfully and 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.360 then you could end up their best friends. But on camera, 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.880 something doesn't click. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, there's 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.800 just that thing that isn't that's missing, and that's you know, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.600 now that we're talking about the diner, I remember that 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:04.800 you didn't look at me once we're standing over us 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.800 at the we were. You came up behind us and 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.680 we were I was showing her different swamps, That's what 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.599 it was. I was showing her different watches for the wallpaper, 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.520 and I was going on about it, and you came 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:20.200 sort of like brooding up behind us. It was like, 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.360 what's going on? And you said, this is a diner. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.240 You know, people need to be eating and you're taking 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.880 up this table and what's all this stuff? And you 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.840 started just pitching about like what was going on? And 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:33.680 I was kind of looking at out of the court 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.320 of my eye, and you just never once looked at me. 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.520 You were directing all of this to the back of 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:41.400 her head. I didn't you didn't have a choice, I swear, officer. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.040 I didn't have a choice. That's what they paid me 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.040 to do. And they said you gotta be this way. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:52.320 You know how many days were you on set? Do 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:55.440 you remember on that on that episode? It was fast. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:59.000 I think I was on like three days. Okay, okay, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.360 three days? Huh. Well, you know, did you get a 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.199 plenty of photos? Did you get? It wasn't really like 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:10.280 people weren't selfie crazy back then, were they? Yeah? One 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.160 picture from that set. Gosh, can you imagine today being 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.120 on that set all the selfie but that you know, 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.800 Warner's Warner brothers probably trying to keep a lid on it, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:23.600 you know, umd memos like don't don't, don't put this 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.040 stuff on the socials, You're gonna mess up our PR department, 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.320 which you know, yeah, well that's what's happening everywhere right 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.240 now and I'm finishing a show here and I can't 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.800 talk about it. There's the social media block out for it. Um. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.200 They even now put different names on the top of 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.520 the script. You've got the working title to the name 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:43.720 of the film doesn't come out, and it changes always. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.880 It seems change, you know, during the last couple of years, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:52.560 just with lockdown, not lockdown. We're working, We're you're in 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.040 this You're in the zone, You're not in this center. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.920 I don't know, it's been kind of cookie, it's been. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.920 It's been really a trip, it really yeah, it's it's 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.040 definitely times have changed, that is for sure. I was 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:10.680 wondering if the podcast was born out of you being 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:14.080 at home and needing a creative outlet, and it sounds 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.520 like that's what happened. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I just 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.040 I thought what could I do, because you know, I'm 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:23.120 a doer. I can't sit around, you know, I always 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.840 have to be working at something, um, and my days 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.200 have to be structured and I have to have goals, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.320 and that's just sort of how I grew up and 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.840 how I've always been. So yeah, that's that's what it 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.640 came out and said. Okay, now, I'll build this, you know, 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.160 let's build this. I'll make a phone call, let's build this. 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.640 See where that goes? You know, complete madness for an 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.560 actor to want structure because our business is so all 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:49.480 over the place. I don't know. I mean, that's kind 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.600 of how I approached uh uh studying in New York. 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.480 And the whole thing is that it was it was 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.200 my whole day, it was all of that. My whole 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:03.920 day was structured around that. You know, Um no, I sure, 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.960 I mean chaos within the work um, and you know, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.600 all of those creative juices flowing shore. But in terms 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.960 of my approach to the business, it's it's very very 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.880 structured and disciplined. Um. And so I figured let's apply 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:21.080 that to the podcast where And the funny part of 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:24.000 it is tracy that I thought I had an original 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.360 idea of a rewatch podcast because I've never seen an episode. 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.520 I found out it wasn't terribly ritual that they already 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:38.920 had about ten of them. Um. Had you seen the 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.520 series before you came to work or got the offer? 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:48.040 Were you were aware of Gilmore Girls? You watched the show? Yeah? Yeah, um, 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.760 mainly because I noticed you want it and if the 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.000 film that we did, and I was like, it's not 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:58.080 doing and I was like, wow, I mean it's it's 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.600 this is what actor we wait for the day when 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:05.720 we have this, what you have, what you have? Um, 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:10.080 those those jobs, those moments where the writing is amazing 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.720 and you've got this, you've got this in your bones 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:15.240 and you go there and it install clicks and comes 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.480 together and you you book it and you're there and 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.840 you're doing it and it's like that big score. It's 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.880 so wonderful. And I just remember thinking, wow, I mean 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:29.320 just across the board, as you said, the chemistry, that 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.239 just everything about the show and the fact that you 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.760 know you made it there it is and being so 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.359 happy for you, well, thank you. And it was just 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.000 a guest star in the pilot. That's all started out. 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:44.480 As it sort of grew into that and um still 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.000 it's like, no, hey, however, you can get in the 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.080 door what you know? And I had to I had 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:51.800 to tell you I took the easy route because there 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.840 was there were no network auditions or real you know, 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.080 hoops to jump through except that initial meeting with Amy 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.280 and the Gavin and the direct and the casting people, 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:02.639 and that was it. That was it. I read and 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.240 that was it, got got the guest star role and boom, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:07.560 next thing. You know, I didn't have to go to 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:12.560 uh five six rounds of auditions and all that. You know, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.280 I've been through that and that's actually got a couple 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.919 of jobs that way. But it's nerve wracking. God, you know, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.760 I know you've been there. You know what it's like. Yeah, 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.800 I mean I think about those days, and I think 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.639 about in particular in the nineties. I don't know what 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.320 it was like right in the nineties, and it was 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.320 it was like Paramount Pictures. It was the WB the 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:38.080 Fox lot, and you would go and you would be 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:39.639 waiting to go to network and you know, it was 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.639 usually like three people, was how I found it. You 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.280 would be and I didn't know this at the time. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.479 I found out later, which I wish I didn't know, 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.800 because it was complicated and they would put you in 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.359 the zone. So if you were the first actor, you 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:56.240 were you were. It was. It was known that you 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.639 were supposed to set the tone, and then the second 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.000 one and then maybe the third one that they'd compromise 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.879 and higher if they didn't like the first or the second. 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.679 Absolutely maddening, So you would go in there and you 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.720 didn't know which is zone you were going to be in. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.240 You remember this and if your your deal would be done, 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.600 and you're thinking, in all of this pressure, everybody telling 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.560 you to relax, don't worry about it. There's all this pressure. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:24.560 There's just nothing but people just crashed and burned. But 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.720 that's that's an important point that you bring up. And 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:28.639 I don't think the audience knows that. It's a nice 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:32.600 piece of behind the scenes information. Before you go to 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.920 network on these things to the final round of auditions, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.800 there could be too, right. I mean, before you go 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.359 in your deals are done, you know how much money 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.880 you're going to make per episode, and if it's a lot, 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.439 you know, the pressure is greater to go in. And 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:54.400 if it's just such because it's like you know, you've 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.879 got all this money on the line and it's going 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:00.800 to change your life and it's going to change your career. Um. Oh, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:06.840 it's excruciating. God, it's excruciating. But then if you hit, 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:13.560 you get one. I did this with profiler. Um I 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:19.199 just remember that feeling right. It's as an actor, anytime 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:21.720 your phone rings and your agents says you booked it, 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.480 it's that there's no feeling like it. It's such a 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:31.760 high with all that build up with television. Um, it's 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:38.240 just absolute insanity, truly, because it's like, you know, I 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.159 can move out of my car and I'm kidding, but 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.960 it's pretty it's pretty amazing. So let me ask you this, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:46.440 how long has it been since you've seen an episode 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.960 of Gilmore? Um? Well, this morning I went on to 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.880 YouTube and I did a little perusing just to kind 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.119 of refresh myself, and there was a lot about it 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.639 that I forgot. But you know what I noticed my 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.359 in this how many guest stars from like all walks 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.840 of life that you had on that show. Everybody was 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:11.320 on that show. You know, I saw different friends and 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.280 different things, And oh I forgot that was you know, 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.400 shery Lynn Finn and this and that, and I mean 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.200 there were all kinds of people on the show. Yeah. 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.880 We even had Norman Mailer on. We had we had 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.199 Madeline Albright, We had all kinds of people. It was 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:26.919 just it was you never knew who you were gonna 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.639 see on set that day. You know. I Brian de 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:32.840 Palmer came to set one day just to watch, you know, 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.600 because his daughter is a fan, and so she came 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.199 by and it was just like in gail En Heard's 0:21:38.200 --> 0:21:42.280 there and it's like what is But I was on set. 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.280 One day that I was on set, came by from 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.399 friends planning, and he came and said hello, he was 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.159 hanging out with Laurence. Right. I just attended that he 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.679 wasn't there, but it was very distracted. I'm nervous that 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.800 I'm either going to be in his book or I'm 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.040 not going to be in his book. So I hope 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:08.840 I didn't do anything to make the pages of the book. Um. Um, 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.399 let me ask you, do you think they should have 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:14.399 given Nicole more of a shot? And do you also 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.120 think they should have brought you back more for more episodes? 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:20.600 Did you want to come back for more? Well, you 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.560 know what, I would have loved to have come back. 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:27.320 It seemed like, you know, where could they really was 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.720 the problem? Where could they go with the character of 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.520 what was going to happen? Um? What could have happened? Well, 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.639 I don't know. There could have been something with Luke. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:43.000