1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I am all in, kiss you, I am all in 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: with Scott Patterson and I heart radio podcast Everybody Scott Patterson. Here, 3 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna bring in a very very special guest, somebody 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: I have known for thirty years. She was I start 5 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: opposite her UM in a little film way back in 6 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: the day, UM called Intend to Kill. It was my 7 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: first real job, paying job. It kept me in l 8 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: A and it kept me hanging in there. Um and 9 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Tracy is impossible to categorize. While her early notoriety brought 10 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: her international fame, her determination, grit and talent have garnered 11 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: her respect in many areas of the entertainment industry and 12 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: wait till I read this off to very very impressive. 13 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: She has appeared in dozens of films and television shows, 14 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: from Roger Corman's Not of This Earth, Cry Baby by 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: John Waters, Blade Zack and Mirra Make a Porno Um 16 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: to Excision from Melrose Place to Roseanne Will and Grace 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls Uh two series regular roles on NBC's The Profiler, 18 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: sci Fi's First Wave. Her autobiography, Tracy Lords Underneath It 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: All HarperCollins, was a New York Times bestseller and has 20 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: been optioned for a mini series. Her pioneering techno album 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: One Thousand Fires radio Active m c A topped the 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: Billboard Dance Chart and was featured on both Mortal Kombat 23 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: and Virtuosity soundtracks. That is an amazing accomplishment. UM. Her 24 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: directorial debut, Sweet Pea, was produced under the auspices of 25 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: the renowned Fox Search Lab. She is currently a contributing 26 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: designer at pin Up Girl Clothing. Her line, Tracy Lords 27 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: for the Tour for Everybody, can be found at pin 28 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: Up Girls Clothing dot com. She lives in Los Angeles 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: with her husband son and their rescue German shepherd Ladies 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: and gentlemen. I give you the one, the only, Tracy Lords. 31 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: High Scott, how are you doing, Tracy? You look great. 32 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. It's been a minute. Um, it's been a 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: hot minute for sure. You know. I'm sitting here reading 34 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: your bio. Your bio is so packed with so many interesting, 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: eclectic things, and you've been so successful at so many 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: things that I'm not even gonna go into that now. 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do a separate introduction for you. I 38 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: just want to get into this, uh, this Gilmore stuff. Anyway. 39 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: First of all, how are you life is good. Yeah. Year, Yeah, 40 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: knock and forth between l A and Atlanta and New York. 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: I'm on the East coast right now, and I did 42 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: a film and during the pandemic, which was very strange. Um, 43 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: just because I don't know how much you did during 44 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic, but I think being in the bubbles as 45 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: actors and having to wait outside and not having the 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: connection to each other that we're used to having was 47 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: very strange. It was really strange. Yeah. Yeah. We just 48 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: kind of huddled in our house and I have a 49 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: young son and a wife and and we uh we 50 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: took a lot of walks when we were not allowed to. 51 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: And um, I wrote, Yeah, and I wrote a lot 52 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: of music and I created a podcast and it's pretty productive. 53 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was definitely not visiting people, uh, 54 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: not losing the connections that I built up at staying 55 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: in touch which was daily. But you know, we got 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: through it. We got through it. UM powered through. So 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: let's talk about, UM, how you got the show? Who 58 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: contacted you first? To take us through that process where 59 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: you became aware that that Gilmore Girls was interested in 60 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: you or that there was an audition? How did it 61 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: tell us about it um it was. I had met 62 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: Amy Sherman, how you know, earlier, not even I don't. 63 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe it was even for the Gilmer Girls, 64 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: for something else she was doing. And you know, the 65 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: girl Gilmore Girls was really on a role and they 66 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: were looking for this character. And I was actually with 67 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: my husband and my young son, our young son in 68 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Hawaii at the time when the audition came in. So 69 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: I came actually I was just cast in the offer 70 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: came in for the Gilmore Girls, and so I came 71 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: back early and I ended up one set and it 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: was the first time I'd seen you, I think in 73 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: maybe ten years. So we did that little HBO shoot 74 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: him up action movie back in the day, and that's 75 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: what I remembered you from. God that was thirty years ago. 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Machine right, Yeah, Yeah, that was that was something. Yeah, 77 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: we met on a little film that you were the 78 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: bas sub you were, you were the executive producer. I 79 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,799 Speaker 1: believe we're one of the one of the main producers 80 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: with PM Entertainment, Charles can Gannis and called into and 81 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: it was a fun little film and it was I 82 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: was headed back to New York. I had given up 83 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: hope and and then I got a phone call and 84 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: had this audition and got the part. Charlie offered it 85 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: to me right in the room and I was like, yeah, 86 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: all right, you know, um, and it was fun. It 87 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: was like we did big stunts in the middle of 88 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: the night on on Hollywood Boulevard with car crashes and fire. 89 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: It was just like it was kind of cool. Yeah. 90 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: I mean, we would never get to do that, not 91 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: in that way any different procedures. And I looked back 92 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: at it now and I think, wow, we weren't killed. 93 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: But I mean it was really I mean, especially that night, 94 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: it felt like a big budget film and like, what 95 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: in the heck is a little movie doing this all 96 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: this big stuff, all this big demolition and the stunts 97 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: and the whole thing. That's a pensive. So I don't 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: know how they pulled it off, but it was. It 99 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: was large. You know. It's funny because p M Entertainment 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: really they had a thing about that. It's they did 101 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: what they did, they did really well. It reminds me 102 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: of like, um, I don't know, working for Roger Corman 103 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: in the in the lumber Yard in Santa Monica, which 104 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: you know I did, so I did my first not 105 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: of this Earth was there with Jim nor Sky and 106 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: that kind of like fly by the seat of your pants, 107 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: this is happening. We've got fifteen pages today and we've 108 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: got to get our day one take to take. Okay, 109 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: great movie that it all worked, which I prefer, you know, 110 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: I love working that way. Um, well, yeah, it's it's 111 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: it's It's sort of reminiscent of the stage, isn't it, 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: because you've got to just bring it. You go out 113 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: there and you just have to bring it. You got 114 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: to get it in one or two or just like 115 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that too. There's such a rhythm to the show, and 116 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: in particular Natalie Zimman, the role that I played, she 117 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: was just real fast talking, and I remember one of 118 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: the first things the feedback that I got because I 119 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: actually didn't speak to her to Amy, was that we 120 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: need somebody with Tracy Lowd's energy, because I think I 121 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: have a I can I had that New York kind 122 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: of fast talking, don't slow down thing, and they wanted 123 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: her to be that way. That was the note that 124 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: they gave me. And I just remember um thinking that 125 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: it was an audition and being told that it was 126 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: actually an offer, and just being so happy to be 127 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: invited to your party because I'm such a fan of 128 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: the show and because just what a cast, my god. 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: So you yeah, really, I mean every day was like, 130 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: you know, going to play with the All Stars. It was. 131 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: It was. It was a heck of a lot of fun, 132 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: but you really needed to bring your a game or 133 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: else you were going to be in trouble. Um. Yeah. 134 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: And the writing, my god, so good. With the dialogue. 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: It was lots of dialogue right in the big rhythm 136 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: and everything about that show. So it was it was awesome. 137 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: You know. It was a lot easier of a job 138 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: then I think, and I realized at the time, because 139 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: all of the heavy lifting had been done for you 140 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: with the dialogue, right. So, I mean, the dialogue kind 141 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: of told you where to go, stand and where to move, 142 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a ten page scene. And I 143 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,559 Speaker 1: think that was the the best part of it because 144 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: we didn't really have to I mean, we had to 145 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: be open. We had to have our you know, sort 146 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: of actors process open and functioning in the whole thing. Uh. 147 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: But when you just went through a couple of paces 148 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: in rehearsal, you know, the writing guided you where you 149 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: needed to go. It was all kind of logical, and 150 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't hard work, you know, it just wasn't hard 151 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: figuring it out. It was all sort of like a 152 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: roadmap right in there with a dialogue. So from the 153 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: very beginning, did you feel that way from the very beginning, Yes, 154 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: from the very very beginning, because they threw it right away, 155 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: and I told the story before they threw it. I 156 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: think it was the first day or the second day. 157 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: We're in production at Warner Brothers on season one, and 158 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: it was six am or five hours. Lauren and I 159 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: were in the makeup chair and they threw a ten 160 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: page scene at us. It was just hot out of 161 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: the writer's room. We had to memorize it and go 162 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: shoot it right then, and we were terrified at the beginning, 163 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: but then we did it because the rhythm of the 164 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: writing is just sort of song, you know, emotionally logical 165 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: that you you just sort of remember it. You know 166 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: that it just makes sense. So we went and did it, 167 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: and we gained the confidence that we could do that 168 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: sort of thing on that show because because of the writing. 169 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: Um so let me ask you, Um, you were let 170 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: go as Emily's designer because of all that controversy and 171 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: being pulled in different directions and all that. It was 172 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: a great episode, by the way. You were great in it. 173 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: Um Um. You had a lot of scenes with Lauren Graham. 174 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: What what was she like to work with? Absolutely her, 175 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: she was completely a pro. She um really giving as 176 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: an actress, and she was just really lovely. I mean, 177 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: obviously you guys had the benefit of just living in 178 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: those characters for so long, and I find you know, 179 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: walking onto a set where you're a guest actor can 180 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: be really intimidating because just you've you've got it all 181 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: on your bones and you're having a couple of coffee 182 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: and here's new new new words or pages or whatever, 183 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, whatever. And it's the guest stars 184 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: that really sweat it because you got it just somehow 185 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: immersed yourselves and find that reality really fast. There's no 186 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: room to to get comfortable. There really isn't. But she 187 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: was really lovely and that she she made me comfortable, 188 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: She made me feel welcome, and she was just really giving. 189 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: So I really loved it. I loved that I got 190 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: to work with her. What was it like you remember 191 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: that first scene you did with her in Luke's diner. 192 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: Do you remember that day in the diner? Yeah, where 193 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of way some poetic about different types 194 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: of wallpaper, So anything else you can remember about it. See. 195 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: The downer was when you came in and you were 196 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: going on about um about uh you know, when you're 197 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: some You had some smartass remark that you said about, yeah, 198 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: making things pretty when you girls are done making things pretty, 199 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and you started just right right away, you know, in 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: on me trying to blow my job. I don't know, 201 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: he was he had his moments, didn't he ult right? Yeah, 202 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: that was a Yeah, that was a character. Yeah, that 203 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: was that was the guy. I don't know. I just 204 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I just figured he needed to be. Everybody was so 205 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: um sunny in that cast. There just needed to be 206 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: one for you. Well, I mean I think I think 207 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: I think Emily and I uh provided some a much 208 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: needed counterpoint to all that sunshine. Maybe you know what 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, I just anyway, um charming, kind of sexy. 210 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: Think about your character too, you know, he he was 211 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: a little bit crusty, he's a little bit salty. He 212 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: liked to kind of poke at things, and it's got 213 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: to be this way. But there's still something really charming 214 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: and kind of sexy about him too, which is I 215 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: think why it worked right right and great chemistry with Lauren. 216 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: I mean that that we just had that from day one. 217 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: You know, you can't act that. You can't you can't 218 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: fake that. It's either there it's not. As you well know, 219 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: you have enough experience um to know. You walk on 220 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: a set, you either feel it or you don't. You know, 221 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: it's just it's either there it's not. And you you know, 222 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: you could be getting along with a person wonderfully and 223 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: then you could end up their best friends. But on camera, 224 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: something doesn't click. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, there's 225 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: just that thing that isn't that's missing, and that's you know, 226 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: now that we're talking about the diner, I remember that 227 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: you didn't look at me once we're standing over us 228 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: at the we were. You came up behind us and 229 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: we were I was showing her different swamps, That's what 230 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: it was. I was showing her different watches for the wallpaper, 231 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: and I was going on about it, and you came 232 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 1: sort of like brooding up behind us. It was like, 233 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: what's going on? And you said, this is a diner. 234 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: You know, people need to be eating and you're taking 235 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: up this table and what's all this stuff? And you 236 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: started just pitching about like what was going on? And 237 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: I was kind of looking at out of the court 238 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: of my eye, and you just never once looked at me. 239 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: You were directing all of this to the back of 240 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: her head. I didn't you didn't have a choice, I swear, officer. 241 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I didn't have a choice. That's what they paid me 242 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: to do. And they said you gotta be this way. 243 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: You know how many days were you on set? Do 244 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: you remember on that on that episode? It was fast. 245 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I think I was on like three days. Okay, okay, 246 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: three days? Huh. Well, you know, did you get a 247 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: plenty of photos? Did you get? It wasn't really like 248 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: people weren't selfie crazy back then, were they? Yeah? One 249 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: picture from that set. Gosh, can you imagine today being 250 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: on that set all the selfie but that you know, 251 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: Warner's Warner brothers probably trying to keep a lid on it, 252 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, umd memos like don't don't, don't put this 253 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: stuff on the socials, You're gonna mess up our PR department, 254 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: which you know, yeah, well that's what's happening everywhere right 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: now and I'm finishing a show here and I can't 256 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: talk about it. There's the social media block out for it. Um. 257 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: They even now put different names on the top of 258 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the script. You've got the working title to the name 259 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: of the film doesn't come out, and it changes always. 260 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: It seems change, you know, during the last couple of years, 261 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: just with lockdown, not lockdown. We're working, We're you're in 262 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: this You're in the zone, You're not in this center. 263 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's been kind of cookie, it's been. 264 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: It's been really a trip, it really yeah, it's it's 265 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: definitely times have changed, that is for sure. I was 266 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: wondering if the podcast was born out of you being 267 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: at home and needing a creative outlet, and it sounds 268 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: like that's what happened. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I just 269 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: I thought what could I do, because you know, I'm 270 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: a doer. I can't sit around, you know, I always 271 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: have to be working at something, um, and my days 272 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: have to be structured and I have to have goals, 273 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: and that's just sort of how I grew up and 274 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: how I've always been. So yeah, that's that's what it 275 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: came out and said. Okay, now, I'll build this, you know, 276 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: let's build this. I'll make a phone call, let's build this. 277 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: See where that goes? You know, complete madness for an 278 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: actor to want structure because our business is so all 279 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: over the place. I don't know. I mean, that's kind 280 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: of how I approached uh uh studying in New York. 281 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: And the whole thing is that it was it was 282 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: my whole day, it was all of that. My whole 283 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: day was structured around that. You know, Um no, I sure, 284 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean chaos within the work um, and you know, 285 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: all of those creative juices flowing shore. But in terms 286 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: of my approach to the business, it's it's very very 287 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: structured and disciplined. Um. And so I figured let's apply 288 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: that to the podcast where And the funny part of 289 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: it is tracy that I thought I had an original 290 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: idea of a rewatch podcast because I've never seen an episode. 291 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: I found out it wasn't terribly ritual that they already 292 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: had about ten of them. Um. Had you seen the 293 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: series before you came to work or got the offer? 294 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: Were you were aware of Gilmore Girls? You watched the show? Yeah? Yeah, um, 295 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: mainly because I noticed you want it and if the 296 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: film that we did, and I was like, it's not 297 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: doing and I was like, wow, I mean it's it's 298 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: this is what actor we wait for the day when 299 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: we have this, what you have, what you have? Um, 300 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: those those jobs, those moments where the writing is amazing 301 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: and you've got this, you've got this in your bones 302 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: and you go there and it install clicks and comes 303 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: together and you you book it and you're there and 304 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: you're doing it and it's like that big score. It's 305 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: so wonderful. And I just remember thinking, wow, I mean 306 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: just across the board, as you said, the chemistry, that 307 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: just everything about the show and the fact that you 308 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: know you made it there it is and being so 309 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: happy for you, well, thank you. And it was just 310 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: a guest star in the pilot. That's all started out. 311 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: As it sort of grew into that and um still 312 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: it's like, no, hey, however, you can get in the 313 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: door what you know? And I had to I had 314 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: to tell you I took the easy route because there 315 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: was there were no network auditions or real you know, 316 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: hoops to jump through except that initial meeting with Amy 317 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: and the Gavin and the direct and the casting people, 318 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: and that was it. That was it. I read and 319 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: that was it, got got the guest star role and boom, 320 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: next thing. You know, I didn't have to go to 321 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: uh five six rounds of auditions and all that. You know, 322 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: I've been through that and that's actually got a couple 323 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: of jobs that way. But it's nerve wracking. God, you know, 324 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: I know you've been there. You know what it's like. Yeah, 325 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: I mean I think about those days, and I think 326 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: about in particular in the nineties. I don't know what 327 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: it was like right in the nineties, and it was 328 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: it was like Paramount Pictures. It was the WB the 329 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: Fox lot, and you would go and you would be 330 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: waiting to go to network and you know, it was 331 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: usually like three people, was how I found it. You 332 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: would be and I didn't know this at the time. 333 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: I found out later, which I wish I didn't know, 334 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: because it was complicated and they would put you in 335 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: the zone. So if you were the first actor, you 336 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: were you were. It was. It was known that you 337 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: were supposed to set the tone, and then the second 338 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: one and then maybe the third one that they'd compromise 339 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: and higher if they didn't like the first or the second. 340 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: Absolutely maddening, So you would go in there and you 341 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: didn't know which is zone you were going to be in. 342 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: You remember this and if your your deal would be done, 343 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: and you're thinking, in all of this pressure, everybody telling 344 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: you to relax, don't worry about it. There's all this pressure. 345 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: There's just nothing but people just crashed and burned. But 346 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: that's that's an important point that you bring up. And 347 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: I don't think the audience knows that. It's a nice 348 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: piece of behind the scenes information. Before you go to 349 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: network on these things to the final round of auditions, 350 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: there could be too, right. I mean, before you go 351 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: in your deals are done, you know how much money 352 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: you're going to make per episode, and if it's a lot, 353 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: you know, the pressure is greater to go in. And 354 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: if it's just such because it's like you know, you've 355 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,879 Speaker 1: got all this money on the line and it's going 356 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: to change your life and it's going to change your career. Um. Oh, 357 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: it's excruciating. God, it's excruciating. But then if you hit, 358 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: you get one. I did this with profiler. Um I 359 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: just remember that feeling right. It's as an actor, anytime 360 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: your phone rings and your agents says you booked it, 361 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: it's that there's no feeling like it. It's such a 362 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: high with all that build up with television. Um, it's 363 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: just absolute insanity, truly, because it's like, you know, I 364 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: can move out of my car and I'm kidding, but 365 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty it's pretty amazing. So let me ask you this, 366 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: how long has it been since you've seen an episode 367 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: of Gilmore? Um? Well, this morning I went on to 368 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: YouTube and I did a little perusing just to kind 369 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: of refresh myself, and there was a lot about it 370 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: that I forgot. But you know what I noticed my 371 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: in this how many guest stars from like all walks 372 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: of life that you had on that show. Everybody was 373 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: on that show. You know, I saw different friends and 374 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: different things, And oh I forgot that was you know, 375 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: shery Lynn Finn and this and that, and I mean 376 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: there were all kinds of people on the show. Yeah. 377 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: We even had Norman Mailer on. We had we had 378 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: Madeline Albright, We had all kinds of people. It was 379 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: just it was you never knew who you were gonna 380 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: see on set that day. You know. I Brian de 381 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: Palmer came to set one day just to watch, you know, 382 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: because his daughter is a fan, and so she came 383 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 1: by and it was just like in gail En Heard's 384 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: there and it's like what is But I was on set. 385 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: One day that I was on set, came by from 386 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: friends planning, and he came and said hello, he was 387 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: hanging out with Laurence. Right. I just attended that he 388 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: wasn't there, but it was very distracted. I'm nervous that 389 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm either going to be in his book or I'm 390 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: not going to be in his book. So I hope 391 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything to make the pages of the book. Um. Um, 392 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: let me ask you, do you think they should have 393 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: given Nicole more of a shot? And do you also 394 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: think they should have brought you back more for more episodes? 395 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: Did you want to come back for more? Well, you 396 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: know what, I would have loved to have come back. 397 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: It seemed like, you know, where could they really was 398 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: the problem? Where could they go with the character of 399 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: what was going to happen? Um? What could have happened? Well, 400 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. There could have been something with Luke. 401 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: There could have Why not? I mean, can you imagine 402 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: I can that would have been That would have been 403 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: a blast, right, you would have had to maybe retrain 404 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: your your your gaze at some point. But other than that, 405 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: one small technicality, yeah, just just could totally be a theay, 406 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: the fans may might have turned on me and you 407 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: at the same time if that had happened. Um, well, 408 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you can say that because in 409 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: all the rooms, because there's so much about the Gilmore 410 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: Girls all over the internet right and on YouTube and everything, 411 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: and the fans of the Gilmore Girls they're they're hardcore, hardcore. 412 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: They love the show, they know everything about Oh they 413 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: have different teams, which one they root for and all 414 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: of this stuff. Um, it's really it's really something that's 415 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,679 Speaker 1: really something. It's really you find it like across like 416 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: everywhere everywhere I go, everywhere I go, it's madness. Yeah, 417 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: I get approached. I mean, I mean even in in 418 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: my neighborhood where I am now Halloween because we moved 419 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: here about a year and a half ago, but it's 420 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: our first Halloween with our son in this area that 421 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: and we went to this place where it's uh, um, 422 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: they really do Halloween like I've never seen it. I mean, 423 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: it was like being at a music festival. It was 424 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: it was amazing. Um, And yeah, we had to leave 425 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: because there were too many people that were you know, 426 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: my son was like, Dad, why is everybody? Why does 427 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:19,879 Speaker 1: everybody want to take a photo with you? You to 428 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: wear a mask? No, no, we weren't in costume. The 429 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: kids were, but we weren't. But anyway, UM, so let's talk. 430 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about your 431 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: very diverse uh, film, TV, music, directing, and stage acting 432 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: career at New York Times best selling author Fear Memoir. 433 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: What are you most proud of? What am I most 434 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: proud of? Um? I'm most proud that I'm all working 435 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: actor and I'm still a working actor. And maybe that 436 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: sounds a little hokey, but it's really true, because you know, 437 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: there's upston downs in the business. Longevity is something that 438 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 1: is rare. You know, you get your a little shot, 439 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: maybe you and then you fade away and that's that, 440 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: or you're going to do something else. I was a 441 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: paper girl when I was twelve years old. That's the 442 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: only other job that I've really had. But I've had 443 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 1: many jobs in the entertainment industry. I am a singer, 444 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: I am a writer. I have directed. UM, I have 445 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: a passion for I do a lot of voiceover work now. 446 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: I just built a booth in my house, which is amazing. 447 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: That was what I did during the pandemic. You did 448 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: your started your podcast. I started recording again and doing 449 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: snippets and writing and and doing a lot of voiceovers. 450 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: Uh I. I I started years ago doing voiceovers, about 451 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: ten years ago, and I've voiced about sixty two different roles, 452 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: wacky roles, all from you know, shopkeepers to this and 453 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: that in Hitman. So I've done a lot of video 454 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: games and things like that. Uh. You go into the 455 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: booth and you've got clients all over the world, and 456 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: it's just it's really fascinating. It's been really fun. It's 457 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: um you stay sharp that way as an actor because 458 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: it's so fast. You know, it's right away, here are 459 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: the new lines, and here's the thing, and you know, 460 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: something blowing up in this and you know, I have 461 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: a ball doing it. It's been an interesting trip, so 462 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: you know. And and this year it's like I have 463 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: three pictures coming out, with three films in the camp 464 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: so that's nice. I did the one in the Pandemic, 465 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: which was very strange, staying in the bubble, like the 466 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: tent that they put the actors in and you stayed 467 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: outside the outside the set. When they called you on, 468 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: they texted you and you had your temperature taken and 469 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: then you went in a little bubble. And we did 470 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: this movie and it was so strange watching it now. 471 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: It's been playing the festivals. It was released about six 472 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and to see this and really know what 473 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 1: what was going on at the time, it just it's 474 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: pretty bizarre. So there's that one. And I had a 475 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: horror film that just hit with um with Halloween, so 476 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: that was really great. And I've been down here in 477 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: the South working on a very dark comedy with some 478 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: predible people that actors that I wanted to work for 479 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: were a very long time and an amazing director. And 480 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: I wish I could tell you what it is. I 481 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: can't because of the social media. I'll look on I'll 482 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: look on IMDBA, see what it is. It's probably listed there. Yeah, 483 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: it's called Now then I didn't say any I'll find out. 484 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: I seem to have found my way into dark comedy 485 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: and I'm playing women of a certain age that are 486 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: slightly homicider me. Whatever gets you the job, man, hey, 487 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: But it all started with the Guilmarkers. I want to 488 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: talk about John Waters a little bit. Let's talk about 489 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: cry Baby, which was an iconic teen a breakout comedy 490 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: that also featured Johnny Depp thirty two years ago. The 491 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: fans still come up to over that role. Yeah, so Halloween, Um, 492 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: every Halloween, I have people that dress up as Wanda 493 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,239 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you know she's and sometimes groups of 494 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: friends that will be the whole gang, somebody's the Johnny character, 495 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: or somebody's you know, Ricky Lake, all of them they're 496 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: they're the drapes and they post them to Instagram in 497 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: different places and I love seeing, you know, just what 498 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: they do with it at shows and conventions and those 499 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: types of things which I know you've you've been to 500 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: for Gilmal Girls and etcetera. Little tiny girls come with 501 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: their mothers, like five or six, dressed like Wanda, and 502 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: then you get the mothers that are to the grandmothers. 503 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: So it's everywhere from five years old to sixty five 504 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: years old. Interesting that after all this time that it's 505 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: still you know, it made such that movie made such 506 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: an impact on various generations. Uh time, it was a 507 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: bomb at the box office. It was Johnny's first big, 508 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: you know, mainstream um leading role. He'd been in Nightmare 509 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: in the Street, but this was his first lead, and 510 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, it just it came out with a lot 511 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: of hope and expectation and it just kind of it 512 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: didn't find its audience. But years later it just did 513 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: and it's become kind of well, it's iconic in a way. 514 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: It it it has, it just keeps bubbling up. It's 515 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: part of I think that's happened a lot actually with 516 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: John Waters movies. Next year he's going to get his 517 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which I'm wildly 518 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: excited about because he's me six years old and the 519 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: man of them so much great stuff and it's just 520 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: such a great person. I don't know if you've read 521 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: any of his books, but pretty amazing after all this 522 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: long hiatus. He Um, I was just reading a few 523 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: weeks ago that he's he's making his next movie, which 524 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: is in development. It's Liar Mouth, based on his book. 525 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with his books. So we've become, you know, 526 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: we became dear friends throughout the years, and um, you know, 527 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: that was something that was really pivotal in my life, 528 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: my career and my god, I never realized how much 529 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: impact Wanda Woodwork that character would have on me. Maybe 530 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: you feel like that about um the Gilmore girls. I 531 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: don't know. You just never know which role the fans 532 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: will really identify you. As you know, the John Waters 533 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: films when I was growing up were the there was 534 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: sort of this urban, artistic, alternative lifestyle consciousness that that 535 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: was seeping out into the suburbs and shocking all of us, like, 536 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: just like, what was that? Didn't we just watched We're 537 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: talking about my desperate living and pla pink flamingos and 538 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff that the character divine 539 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: and the whole thing. I mean, nobody in the uh, 540 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: nobody in the suburbs had really ever experienced anything quite 541 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: like that. Um um, tell us a little bit about 542 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: what it was like working with Johnny Depp back then. 543 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: He was really um, really quiet. He was a total gentleman. 544 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: He was I never saw him be unkind to anyone. 545 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: John Waters once described Johnny as the best looking gas 546 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: station attendant that's still pumpter Gas. And I love that 547 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: he put it that way because it was true. He 548 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: had that kind of very laid back thing about him. 549 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: Not to say that he wasn't serious about his work 550 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: because he definitely was UM and I liked him. He 551 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: was funny, he was charming, he was always a gentleman. Um. 552 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: We we didn't none of us knew each other before that, 553 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: and we had to walk in. We had a brief rehearsal, 554 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: dance dance rehearsals and did all that because it was 555 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: obviously a musical, and we really bonded during that time 556 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: and it was just a lot of fun doing that. 557 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: You have over acting credits, what's your favorite? All uh, 558 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: different ones for different reasons, you know. I remember my 559 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: time on Blade was was actually was on set for 560 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: weeks doing the opening, but it was just really that 561 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: one scene. But my time on Blade was amazing, just 562 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: the stories and what was going on in the fact 563 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: that it was you know, it was Marvel and they 564 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: were doing this and it was, you know, the first 565 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: of those types of movies that were happening. And Stephen 566 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: Norington directed that film and he had UM He just 567 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: really had it in his bones. It was the only 568 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: time I ever worked with the director that he actually 569 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: directed with headphones with music UM on while he was directing, 570 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: and I just thought, what what is this about? But 571 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: if you Watch Blade, the Original Blade. Um, you know 572 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: there's the big rave, the blood scene and the whole thing, 573 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: and the music goes crazy and it's just like all 574 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: this stuff, it has a rhythm to it. The musician 575 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: maybe you understand when I'm talking about that that movie. 576 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: It's like the everything that it has a beta has 577 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: a rhythm to it. And I think it was really 578 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: because Norrington was so connected to that. He was literally 579 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: so in sync with it that the characters moved that way, 580 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: and and so that was an amazing experience. Playing Wanda 581 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: was an amazing experience for for many reasons. I didn't 582 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: know at the time that she would become like a 583 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: style icon in a way and that the rockabilly community 584 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: would embrace her as like, you know, sort of their 585 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: mascot in a way. So that, Um, that's really delicious. 586 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: I love seeing that makes me happy. Um. But personally 587 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: that was a great experience for me because I met 588 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: my first husband, or that was my practice marriage, I say, 589 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: and so joking, but we're still friends. And you know, 590 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: just John and that whole community of people and what 591 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: he was doing then, I had so much respect for it, 592 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: and it just was very cool in that way. And 593 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: so I think there were a little there were pieces 594 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: of different roles that um just fed my desire to 595 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: be an actor because you get those little winds, do 596 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It makes you suffer through 597 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: to the next level, right, It prepares you, know, well, 598 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: what a journey? Yeah? All right, We're gonna play a 599 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: little game called rapid Fire. Okay, I'm wanna ask you 600 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: some questions and you have to answer them, uh rapidly, 601 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: hence the name rapid Fire. Here we go. Are you ready? 602 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: Here we go? How many cups of coffee you have 603 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: in a day? Are your team Logan, Team Jesser, Team Dean? 604 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: What is your favorite Gilmore Girls character? Uh? Will you? 605 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: Of course? Thank you very much. What would you order it? 606 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: Luke's Diner, the Cheeseburger? Would you rather go on a 607 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: road trip with Taylor or Michelle? Michelle? Finish the lyric 608 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: and where you lead, I will follow dot dot dot? Uh? Okay, 609 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: I failed? Okay, Jackson's Vegetables or Suki's Baked Goods. Would 610 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: you rather listen to Drella's Harp or the Troubadours cover 611 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: songs Chilton, Prepper Stars, Hollow High. Alright, listen, it's been 612 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: great catching up with you. We hope you come back 613 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: on and hope you had a good time. Um, and 614 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: keep on keeping on, you know you Uh I used 615 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: to say, uh, you know, never stand between a Frenchman 616 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: and his desire. Well, the same goes with what Tracy 617 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: Lords wants to accomplish in this business. She's done everything, um, 618 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: and she will continue to do everything and has graced 619 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: us with her presence here on the I Am All 620 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: In Podcast. Thank you for your time and thank you 621 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: for coming by Tracy all the best too, good care 622 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: of all right you too, by all right byetta Hey everybody, 623 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: and don't forget follow us on Instagram at I Am 624 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: all In Podcast and Emailie at Gilmore at I heart 625 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: radio dot com. Oh you gil More fans. 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