WEBVTT - Why didn't we evolve around a red dwarf star?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Daniel, do you believe in luck? Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>you're a lucky person? I'm not sure. I guess I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty happy with how things have turned out. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But was that luck or was it inevitable? I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of randomness involved. I guess I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to study the multiverse to see how often Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>gets to be a physics professor. But wait, is that

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<v Speaker 1>the lucky outcome. Wouldn't the lucky outcome be the one

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<v Speaker 1>where you get to be a movie star or a

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<v Speaker 1>billionaire or maybe a billionaire movie star physics professor. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of titles there. It might cause the universe

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<v Speaker 1>to collapse on itself, physicists always ending the universe. We

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<v Speaker 1>might have caused it, but it doesn't mean it's our fault.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like a logical contradiction. Wouldn't that also collapse

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<v Speaker 1>the universe into a puff of logic? Hi am Jorhanmay,

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<v Speaker 1>cartoonists and the creator of PhD comics. Hi, I'm Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a particle physicist and a professor at UC Irvine,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm doing my best to understand the universe without

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<v Speaker 1>collapsing it. You're doing your best. I feel like your

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<v Speaker 1>best is not enough, like I guarantee is not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should look into that before doing it. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>check with my legal department. I'll do twice my best

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<v Speaker 1>time of that still not enough. Ending the universe twice

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<v Speaker 1>is still ending the universe. Maybe it's like negative signs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you do it twice, it comes back.

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<v Speaker 1>But then are you going to be a physics professor again?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we going to be that unlucky? Maybe when everything

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<v Speaker 1>snaps back, that's when I get to be a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways, welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain

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<v Speaker 1>the Universe, a production of iHeartRadio, where we try our

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<v Speaker 1>best to make sense of this crazy universe. When you

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<v Speaker 1>look out there in the cosmos and try to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the way things are, the way things might be, and

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<v Speaker 1>how it all can possibly make sense. We do our

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<v Speaker 1>best to cram this incredible, giant, fantastical universe into our

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little primate brains and squish it all around until

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<v Speaker 1>it makes sense to us and hopefully makes sense to you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is an amazing universe, or maybe an amazing multiverse,

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<v Speaker 1>or might be more than one universe out there, But

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<v Speaker 1>at least the one we're in. It seems pretty amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty awesome to explore and to ask questions about, and

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder about the logic of it. Yeah, as we

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<v Speaker 1>look out into the universe, we wonder why is it

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<v Speaker 1>this way and not some other way? Why are we

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<v Speaker 1>in this part of the universe and not some other

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<v Speaker 1>part of the universe? Are we lucky that we ended

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<v Speaker 1>up here? Was it just a fluke or is it

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<v Speaker 1>pretty common our experience of the universe? Is the universe

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<v Speaker 1>guaranteed to be logical? Daniel? Do you think is it

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<v Speaker 1>logical that the universe is not logical? Yeah? A guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>itself rests on logic, and so if the universe is illogical,

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<v Speaker 1>then it cannot provide any kind of guarantees at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Philosophically speaking, we don't know why the universe makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>to us at all, Like, why is it even possible

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it in terms of pretty simple mathematical stories.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know, But we do know that it seems

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<v Speaker 1>to work, and it works really really well. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is random, right at the quantum level, things are random?

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<v Speaker 1>Is random the same as logical. Well, that's a really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting point. Because even if quantum mechanics is random, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still also logical, Like quantum mechanics makes very specific predictions

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<v Speaker 1>for the probabilities of different things to happen, even if

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't actually pin down what will happen. So quantum

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<v Speaker 1>mechanics being random doesn't mean it's like crazy, you're out

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<v Speaker 1>of control. It still makes very specific predictions about what

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<v Speaker 1>can and cannot happen and the probabilities of those things happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Right although technically acquantic to quantum physics, like a pink

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<v Speaker 1>unicorn could technically appear in front of me out of

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<v Speaker 1>the boob right now, or in front of any of

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<v Speaker 1>us right now, right and that would be logical. According

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<v Speaker 1>to physicists, that would be logical, even though it would

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<v Speaker 1>also be fantastical. And that's something we're always trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand about the universe. We see what happens to us,

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<v Speaker 1>we wonder was that just a random, lucky fluke, or

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<v Speaker 1>is that the kind of thing we expect to see

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe. And there's this overriding principle in science

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<v Speaker 1>called the Copernican principle, which argues that our experience is

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<v Speaker 1>not weird, that everywhere in the universe is the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing is special anywhere, and so when we look

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<v Speaker 1>out into the universe, we tend to try to explain

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<v Speaker 1>what we see without resorting to lucky chances and random flukes.

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<v Speaker 1>But lucky flukes is why we're here, Daniel, Lucky flukes

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<v Speaker 1>are the best. Well, every individual person, of course, has

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<v Speaker 1>an almost astronomically tiny chance of ever existing with all

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<v Speaker 1>of their constituent details. But what we don't know is

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances of any person existing? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the deep questions in the universe is what

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<v Speaker 1>are the chances for life evolving, for intelligent life to evolve?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we unusual or are we common in the universe?

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<v Speaker 1>And we'd like to be able to explain our existence

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<v Speaker 1>here without resorting to a one in a trillion chance

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<v Speaker 1>of all of this is happening. Well, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a sort of a fine line between illogic and

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<v Speaker 1>unlikeliness or as you said, improbability. Yeah, that's right, and

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<v Speaker 1>often we can tell the difference, you know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>just this one example of our lives and the part

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe that we can see. And often we

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<v Speaker 1>look out into the universe and we see stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>seems weird, that seems like a weird coincidence, and we

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<v Speaker 1>want to try to explain it. We don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>just like brush it under the rug and say, hm,

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<v Speaker 1>that's random, seems weird. I guess sometimes you just get lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like to understand if there's something else going on,

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<v Speaker 1>something deeper behind it. But you know, there isn't always

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<v Speaker 1>an explanation, like, for example, the sun in the moon

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<v Speaker 1>take up about exactly the same space in our sky,

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<v Speaker 1>which allows for very dramatic eclipses, and that's just a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes coincidences happen, but sometimes they do have deeper explanations

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<v Speaker 1>that we can look for. Yeah. So one way we

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<v Speaker 1>try to explore the logic of the universe is by

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<v Speaker 1>coming up with situations in our minds or that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we get hints at out there of events or things

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<v Speaker 1>that seem to break the logic of the universe. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are paradoxes. Yeah. One very famous paradox is the

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<v Speaker 1>Fermi paradox, which says where are all the aliens? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the galaxy is really really old and actually filled

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<v Speaker 1>with stars and planets, then maybe it should also be

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<v Speaker 1>filled with aliens, and why haven't we seen any of

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<v Speaker 1>them yet? Why haven't they sent us messages? This is

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<v Speaker 1>called the Fermi paradox because if you accept all of

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<v Speaker 1>those assumptions, then we should have heard from aliens, and

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<v Speaker 1>yet we haven't. So paradoxes are fun because they make

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<v Speaker 1>you re examine those assumptions to say, well, we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard from aliens, then which of those assumptions must be wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>And what does that tell us about the universe. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Another famous paradox is the grandfather of paradox. Right, This

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<v Speaker 1>idea that if you go back in time and you

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<v Speaker 1>somehow prevent your grandfather from giving birth or making your

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<v Speaker 1>father or mother haven't, then that creates an illogical consistency

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<v Speaker 1>because then how could you have existed to them prevent

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<v Speaker 1>your grandfather from doing that. That's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous logical paradoxes, right, And that's like something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense logically, but it could maybe happen. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that could maybe happen exactly. That's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the paradoxes inherent in time travel. It's the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that makes people wonder like, well, what are

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<v Speaker 1>we overlooking? Is there something in time travel which would

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<v Speaker 1>prevent that from happening. And there are various ideas about

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<v Speaker 1>cosmic censorship that might prevent paradoxes from cropping up if

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<v Speaker 1>you could actually achieve time travel. So you're right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a really interesting idea and it focuses your thinking on

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<v Speaker 1>the issues to say, well, what can we do to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent this paradox from happening, because, as you say, the

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<v Speaker 1>universe seems logical, and so anything that creates a contradiction,

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<v Speaker 1>a logical contradiction, we don't think that that could exist.

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<v Speaker 1>The universe can't exist in two states that disagree with

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<v Speaker 1>each other simultaneously. Yeah, so there is another interesting paradox

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Then maybe the challenges the logic of us

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<v Speaker 1>being here in the first place, or at least of

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<v Speaker 1>our son being here in the first place. Yeah, asked

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<v Speaker 1>the question basically of why we're not looking up into

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<v Speaker 1>our sky and seeing a different kind of star than

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<v Speaker 1>the one that we have, or stars plural. So today

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, we'll be asking the question what is

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Dwarf paradox? The real Red Dwarf paradox is

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<v Speaker 1>why don't more people watch the show The Red Dwarf.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a show? I've never seen it? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>a show? Oh my gosh, it's like one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most hilarious can't be science fiction shows ever. I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard of it. Where does it er? I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the BBC, but you can find it online. Is

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<v Speaker 1>it really hilarious show? Sort of in the vein of

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<v Speaker 1>Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Definitely not hard science fiction. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the paradox maybe, is how come I've never shown I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen several seasons of Doctor Who. There you go, Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it only exists in another multiverse, and that's proof

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<v Speaker 1>that I came from another universe. You do seem out

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<v Speaker 1>of this world, Daniel, you mean out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But so, the Red Dwarf paradox apparently is a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I had also never heard of this, the paradox or

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<v Speaker 1>the show before coming into this episode. But it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a thing that physicists talk about, right. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a thing that physicists and biologists and basically everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who's curious about why we ended up on this rock

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<v Speaker 1>around this star. Fundamentally, we're always asking the question, is

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<v Speaker 1>our experience unusual? Do we have to resort to shrugging

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<v Speaker 1>our shoulders and saying, well, I guess we were just lucky,

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<v Speaker 1>or is there a reason that our experience is this

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<v Speaker 1>way and not some other way? And in this particular case,

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<v Speaker 1>we're wondering about why our star is one of these

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<v Speaker 1>yellow stars instead of a red dwarf star. Well, this,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said earlier, this sort of seems similar to

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<v Speaker 1>the Fermi paradox, which is sort of this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we should have been contacted or seen aliens right now,

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<v Speaker 1>but we haven't, given the size of the universe. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like those are not really logical paradoxes, right Like,

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<v Speaker 1>strictly speaking, it's not a logical there's no logical contradiction here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like an unlikeliness. Yeah, that's true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the set of assumptions, when you combine them, suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>it would be very unlikely for us to not be

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<v Speaker 1>contacted by aliens. So either we're just unlucky or there's

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<v Speaker 1>some other reason one of the assumptions that goes into

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<v Speaker 1>it is wrong. And so you can always explain these

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<v Speaker 1>things away and say, oh, well, maybe it's just one

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<v Speaker 1>a million chance, and that's what it is. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can also sometimes make progress by digging into those assumptions

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<v Speaker 1>and saying, is one of those wrong, let's take another look.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean, it's sort of like a tool to examine

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<v Speaker 1>our assumptions about the universe, or as someone else might

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<v Speaker 1>come complete guesses. Yeah, but it's a basic part of science.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, anytime you think you have an understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, you then think about what the consequences are.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if the universe is this way, then I

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<v Speaker 1>should be able to prove it by seeing this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you don't see that thing happening, then you wonder, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with my idea of the universe? When we thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>the universe would make more sense if it had Higgs

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<v Speaker 1>Boson in it, let's go look for it, and we

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<v Speaker 1>found it. Now, if we hadn't found it, then we

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<v Speaker 1>would have to go back and re examine those assumptions

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<v Speaker 1>that suggested it does exist and wonder which one of

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<v Speaker 1>them were wrong. All right, Well, this red dwarf paradox

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<v Speaker 1>basically just real quickly in a nutshell. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question that you asked earlier, which is, why

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<v Speaker 1>isn't our star a red dwarf. Our son is a

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<v Speaker 1>nice yellow or white I guess technically white ball of fire.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a red, it's not a dwarf, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what the paradox is about. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>about it all right. Well, as usually, we were wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how many people out there had asked themselves this question,

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<v Speaker 1>why isn't our son different? Why isn't it a red dwarf?

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<v Speaker 1>So thanks very much to everybody who participates in this

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<v Speaker 1>segment of the podcast, and we would love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>your voice out there. Those of you who have been

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<v Speaker 1>dot com. So think about it for a second. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever asked yourself on a nice sunny day, why

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<v Speaker 1>our star isn't red? Here's what people had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like thybe it's too big, big to be

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<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf. That's it. I really don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>answer to this one. I would just imagine that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have enough mass to either collapse into itself a

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<v Speaker 1>form a black hole or become a red giant. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know all a son didn't follow his diet and

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<v Speaker 1>has eaten a lot, so it's too big to become

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<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf. I think the main reason our star

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a red dwarf is just because it's something has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with like the amount of mass it has

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning and when it begins, because some stars

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<v Speaker 1>go supernova and some stars just white doors. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I get mixed up. Maybe our son is not old

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<v Speaker 1>enough to be a red dwarf. Maybe it still has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fool to be larger and right, dar,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that our star is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf. I think that it may someday be

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<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf given enough time, But I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not quite yet reached that phase of stellar evolution.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, A lot of interesting answers here, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the one about the Sun not following a diet, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or the one about it not being old enough. But

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<v Speaker 1>I am disappointed nobody brought off Superman. I mean these answers,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Superman have to do with the Sun being

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<v Speaker 1>yellow or red? You don't know. I don't know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't know. Some basic mythology about Superman. I spent

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<v Speaker 1>all my time watching the show Red Dwarf instead of

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<v Speaker 1>reading Superman comics. Well, there you go. That's a multiverse

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to live in. So tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>a Superman have to do with red stars. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a basic part of his mythology. So in the original comics,

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<v Speaker 1>he grew up in a planet with the red sun,

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<v Speaker 1>and so when he comes to Earth, he has all

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<v Speaker 1>these superpowers because our son is not red, it's yellow,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow that gives him his superpowers somehow. Wow, you

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<v Speaker 1>just yadda yadded over all the crucial elements of it. Yeah, somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like how physicists do somehow the Higgs boson

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<v Speaker 1>is created in architectors. That's exactly what I wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>the paper. Yeah, that was it basically. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>use more words and formulas, but there's not much difference

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<v Speaker 1>between Action comics in the Journal of Physics. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that Action Comics hired some physics consultants to work out

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<v Speaker 1>the details, and there's somewhere in there archives there are

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<v Speaker 1>formulas explaining how the yellow sun gives Superman his special powers.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean that Superman doesn't have those powers?

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<v Speaker 1>In the dark. Well later on, it's sort of it's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like he acts like a battery, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like he needs to recharge, he needs to sunbathe they

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<v Speaker 1>to get his superpowers. I see. So kryptonite isn't his kryptonite.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sunscreen. That's his kryptonite in the long run. Yes, okay, fascinating. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's dig into this red dwarf paradox and how it

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<v Speaker 1>might affect Superman, I guess, or all of us, because

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<v Speaker 1>it'd be great if we were all Superman and women. Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>what the redware paradox suggests is that most of the

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<v Speaker 1>universe is basically Superman, because one thing that's really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about the universe is that most of the stars out

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<v Speaker 1>there in the universe are red stars, not yellow like ours.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, well, let's dig into this topic and this

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<v Speaker 1>red dwarf paradox, and it's starts with the basics. What

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<v Speaker 1>is a red dwarf star? Daniel, So, a red dwarf

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<v Speaker 1>is just a kind of star. Remember that a star

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge ball of gas and it's squeezed down

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<v Speaker 1>by gravity, so at its core it's hot enough and

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<v Speaker 1>dense enough for fusion to happen, which is where the

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<v Speaker 1>light comes from and why the star burns at the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature at the core, and therefore the temperature at the

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<v Speaker 1>surface depends on the mass of the star. The more

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<v Speaker 1>gas you have, the higher temperature and pressure you have

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<v Speaker 1>at the core of the star, and so the higher

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature at the surface, and so the different color

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<v Speaker 1>of the star. Remember that everything in the universe glows,

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<v Speaker 1>and how it glows depends on its temperature. Our sun

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<v Speaker 1>is a surface temperature of five or six thousand degrees kelvin,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it tends to glow in our visible spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Bigger stars are hotter, and so they tend to be bluer.

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<v Speaker 1>Smaller stars are colder, and so they tend to be redder,

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<v Speaker 1>and so a red dwarf star is a smaller, colder

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<v Speaker 1>star that tends to be redder than our star. M

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe can you explain why smaller means lower temperature?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it because when you're smaller, you don't have as

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<v Speaker 1>much fusion, if at all, inside the core of the

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<v Speaker 1>gas cloud. There's definitely a close connection between the size

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<v Speaker 1>of the star and its internal temperature, and that's just

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<v Speaker 1>because of gravity. Like more mass means more gravitational pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>which means higher temperature. We once topped our way through

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<v Speaker 1>that thought experiment of like taking a big blob of

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<v Speaker 1>gas and squeezing it down. Squeezing it down heats it

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<v Speaker 1>up because you're basically applying pressure which pushes on all

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<v Speaker 1>those molecules, turning them around to focus them back towards

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<v Speaker 1>the center. You imagine like a big box containing cold gas.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can strict that box, you're pushing on all

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<v Speaker 1>the molecules that would have otherwise escaped, so you're giving

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<v Speaker 1>them more and more energy. So as you squeeze down

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<v Speaker 1>harder and harder, you're speeding up all those molecules, you're

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<v Speaker 1>making them hotter and hotter. So a bigger blob of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff has more gravitational pressure, which means a higher temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like Jupiter, which is also a ball of gas.

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<v Speaker 1>It does squeeze its gas in the middle, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't radiate light like this star of Sundust, did it.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not. You're right, there's a minimum mass in

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<v Speaker 1>order to create the conditions for fusion. Fusion is hard. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is squeezing together two protons which have

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty powerful force repelling them. Right, they're both positively charged.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't like to get together, So to get the

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<v Speaker 1>protons close enough together to fuse to make helium, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to overcome that. So you got to squeeze them really,

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<v Speaker 1>really hard. And so if you don't have enough gravitational pressure,

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't raised the temperature enough, then fusion just doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a minimum threshold above which fusion happens and

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<v Speaker 1>below which it doesn't. So Jupiter is below that threshold

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<v Speaker 1>by like a factor of ten. In order to get

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter to have fusion to ignite at its core, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to add like nine more Jupiter's worth of mass

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<v Speaker 1>to get it to that threshold. Red dwarfs are stars

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<v Speaker 1>that are just above that minimum threshold, like eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the mass of the Sun. It's like the minimum

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<v Speaker 1>amount of stuff you need to get fusion going. So

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<v Speaker 1>red dwarfs are like basically the smallest fusion reactor you

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<v Speaker 1>can have. So red dwarf is a star in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that it has fusion inside of it. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't make it to the threshold fusion, like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>like point ninety ninety nine below the fusion limit, would

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<v Speaker 1>you still glow or did you just be like a

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<v Speaker 1>giant gas planet like Jupiter. You'd be a giant gas

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<v Speaker 1>planet like Jupiter. You wouldn't have fusion, but you would

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<v Speaker 1>still be kind of hot. Even just having that much

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<v Speaker 1>mass and that pressure makes you kind of hot. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the core of Jupiter is not cool, right, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>high density, high temperature, just not high enough to be fusion. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're pretty hot, you are going to glow. You're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna glow very deep in the infrared, and you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be nearly as bright as stars that actually

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<v Speaker 1>have fusion happening in them. All right, well, I'll take

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<v Speaker 1>being kind of hot, but not being hot, although being

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<v Speaker 1>cool it's also pretty cool. These stars are really fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>these red dwarfs, and they're kind of cool. As we say, so,

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to radiate in the red region, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>also really really dim, Like these things are not nearly

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<v Speaker 1>as bright as our sun. As a star gets bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets hotter, and then the fusion happens faster, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they get brighter and brighter, which is why like

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<v Speaker 1>really big massive stars starts like one hundred or two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred times the mass of our sun burn really brightly,

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<v Speaker 1>very blue, and don't last for very long. They can

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<v Speaker 1>burn out just a few million years. Stars that are

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<v Speaker 1>about the size of our sun last for billions of years.

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<v Speaker 1>But if a star is smaller and cooler, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>burn as bright, it's much dimmer. It can actually last

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<v Speaker 1>much much longer. So a red dwarf can last for

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<v Speaker 1>longer than the age of the universe, or even much longer. WHOA,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, because it's got like the heat on low

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<v Speaker 1>basically right, it's like it's got just enough gravity to

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<v Speaker 1>make fusion, but not enough to like burn a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it, So it's just burning a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>the center of it like a candle, more like a bonfire,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's something else going on like the heart of

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<v Speaker 1>these red dwarfs. Because they're cooler, the way the heat

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<v Speaker 1>gets mixed around in their core is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>different than in our star. Like at our star, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the heat transfer is what we call radiative transfer.

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<v Speaker 1>Like fusion happens, and photons zoom out and the energy

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<v Speaker 1>gets dispersed through the star towards the outside by radiation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right these photons are flying out and so the outer

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the star get hotter and hotter, and helium

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<v Speaker 1>the fusion product tends to fall towards the core in

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<v Speaker 1>our star, and that's actually a problem for our star

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<v Speaker 1>because that helium tends to sort of put out the fusion,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then fusion only happens on the outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the star. But in a red dwarf it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. Remember it's not as bright the outside of

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<v Speaker 1>a star. What do you mean for a star like

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<v Speaker 1>our sun near the end of its life, as it

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<v Speaker 1>accumulates helium at its core, most of the fusion will

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<v Speaker 1>not be happening at its core anymore. Instead, it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>happening on the outer layers of the star, which is

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<v Speaker 1>one reason why our sun will grow eventually become like

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<v Speaker 1>a red giant. It'll puff out to have like a

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<v Speaker 1>radius the size of Earth's orbit, because the fusion will

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<v Speaker 1>be happening like in the outer layers, and the core

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<v Speaker 1>will be the sort of cooler helium. But a red

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<v Speaker 1>dwarf won't have that problem. A red dwarf mixes in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way because there's not so much radiation produced

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<v Speaker 1>at its core, so there tends to be more convection

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<v Speaker 1>of the plasma like mixes more thoroughly, so you don't

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<v Speaker 1>get this accumulation of helium at the core, and it

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<v Speaker 1>can basically just sort of like burn steadily for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. This tends to prolong the fusion. It's another

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<v Speaker 1>reason why these red dwarves last a really long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know because the universe isn't old enough,

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<v Speaker 1>but some calculations suggest that a small star like ten

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<v Speaker 1>percent the mass of our sun could last for ten

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<v Speaker 1>trillion years. WHOA, that's like ten thousand billion years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's ten thousand billion years, or almost a thousand times

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<v Speaker 1>the current age of the universe. Like some of these

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<v Speaker 1>red dwarfs that were created very early on in the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>they could be less than one one thousands of the

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<v Speaker 1>way through their life cycles so far. By lasting, you

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<v Speaker 1>mean like sustaining fusion at their core, yeah, exactly, because

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<v Speaker 1>eventually they will burn through their fuel and these things

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<v Speaker 1>will become blue dwarfs and then white dwarfs. Eventually, the

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<v Speaker 1>life cycle of one of these red dwarves, we think

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<v Speaker 1>ends with it basically becoming a cooler blob of heavier metals,

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<v Speaker 1>probably helium. Sounds like the cosmic version of the tortoise

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<v Speaker 1>in the hair there that's slow and steady kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wins the race. Yeah, exactly. So really big stars burn

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<v Speaker 1>really brightly but don't last for very long, and really

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<v Speaker 1>small stars burn cooler, but they last forever almost And

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<v Speaker 1>this is really useful when we're looking out into the

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<v Speaker 1>universe trying to understand how recently stars were made. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at a part of the universe and you

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<v Speaker 1>see blue stars, you see hot, bright young stars, that

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<v Speaker 1>means stars must have been made recently. If all you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at our redder stars, then you know that it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty old because all the hot young blue stars have

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<v Speaker 1>already burned out. So it's a really helpful lever for

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<v Speaker 1>understanding what's going on out there in the universe. So

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<v Speaker 1>they're like looking at TikTok only stars there. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what a red dwarf is. Until the big question

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<v Speaker 1>is why isn't our star a red dwarf? And would

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<v Speaker 1>we all have superpowers if it were? So let's dig

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<v Speaker 1>into that, But first let's take a quick break. All right,

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.920
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about the red dwarf paradox. Basically, why isn't

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<v Speaker 1>our son a red dwarf. I feel like this is

0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>an insensitive question, Daniel. I mean, how would our son feel?

0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should have asked it the other way, to say,

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.160
<v Speaker 1>why is our star so special and wonderful? Yeah, there

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:45.560
<v Speaker 1>you go. That sounds better. Maybe it should be the

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:51.040
<v Speaker 1>yellow sun bonus situation. There you go straight from our

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:54.119
<v Speaker 1>pr department. But our son is kind of special. I mean,

0:23:54.160 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 1>if you look out in the universe, our son is

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<v Speaker 1>not the most common kind of son. Instead, like seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the stars in the galaxy are red dwarves.

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.479
<v Speaker 1>These things like dominate the galaxy. Most of the stars

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<v Speaker 1>out there are red dwarves, not yellow stars like ours.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean dominate? What kind of numbers are

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 1>we talking about? So three quarters of all stars in

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 1>our galaxy are red dwarfs. It's like overwhelming. M Well,

0:24:22.280 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of interesting. So three quarters of the stars

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.200
<v Speaker 1>in our galaxy are red dwarves, but they don't look

0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 1>red when you look out into the night sky. Yeah,

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.000
<v Speaker 1>this is really fascinating. Most of the stars in the

0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.679
<v Speaker 1>galaxy are red dwarves, but none of the stars you

0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 1>can see in the sky with the naked eye are

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>red dwarfs. And The reason as that these red dwarfs

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>are pretty dim. Remember they can be like ten thousand

0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 1>times less bright than our sun, and so they're all

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.399
<v Speaker 1>over the place. They're out there. But the stars we

0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>see in the sky are not red dwarves. We see

0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the bright ones, the rare ones. MM. Interesting. So I

0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.040
<v Speaker 1>guess if you looked at the sky with maybe like

0:25:00.040 --> 0:25:03.119
<v Speaker 1>an infrared glasses, or if you could see into the

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:06.760
<v Speaker 1>lower frequency light spectrum, then you might see a whole

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>bunch more stars when you look at the nice sky. Yeah.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>In fact, that the closest star to us, Proximus Centauri,

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<v Speaker 1>is a red dwarf. It is like twelve point five

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<v Speaker 1>percent the mass of the Sun. You can't see it

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<v Speaker 1>with the naked eye, even though it's the closest star

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to Earth. Most of the stars so you're looking at

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in the sky are what we call like FK or

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:29.560
<v Speaker 1>G type stars instead of red dwarfs. Well, it's super interesting.

0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 1>So I guess animals I can see that have night vision,

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>basically I can see infrared more that would they look

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:38.119
<v Speaker 1>out into the nice sky and see a totally different

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 1>picture than we would. Wow, that's a super fascinating question.

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I guess we'll have to have an

0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>animal on the podcast as a guest, our first animal astronomer,

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and ask them all about what they see. Yeah, sounds good.

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Which animal would that be? An anteater? Of course for Ucia. Now,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>but we have built infrared eyeballs, right, James Webb. Remember

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:01.720
<v Speaker 1>is an infrared telescope. It specializes in seeing in the infrared.

0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 1>And we have lots of other infrared facilities that can

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>see these spectra, and so we have, of course observed

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 1>these stars. We look out into the universe and notice them.

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>That's how we know that they are there. But it's

0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 1>really interesting to me to think, like, not only is

0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>our star not a red dwarf, but none of the

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 1>stars we see are red dwarfs, even though they dominate

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 1>the universe. I guess maybe the first question I would have,

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>and I imagine anyone would have, is why is the

0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:28.720
<v Speaker 1>universe mostly made out of red dwarves? Why is it

0:26:28.800 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>seventy stars in the galaxy are red dwars? Why isn't

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>it more distributed? Yeah, it's a really cool question. There's

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this concept in astronomy called the initial mass function, which

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 1>tries to describe basically how much stuff a star gets.

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, ask the question like, if you're forming a star,

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.240
<v Speaker 1>how much stuff are you likely to get? What's the

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<v Speaker 1>distribution of the mass of stars, for example, and what

0:26:51.600 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 1>turns out to be like a power law, You're much

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<v Speaker 1>much less likely to make a big star than a

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>small star. And you know, as gas clouds are sort

0:26:59.920 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 1>of coming together and forming stars, you're just less likely

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to grab a bigger blob of stuff. You're more likely

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 1>to form multiple smaller stars than a single larger star

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 1>because it's just how gravity works out there in space

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>in a gas cloud. Yeah, it's actually quite complicated because

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>it involves not just gravity but also where metals are

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and how they're distributed. Imagine this big gas cloud where

0:27:23.880 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>gravity pulls things together to make stars depends on where

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you have little bits of density to start with, and

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the universe is mostly hydrogen, but it's also sprinkled with

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of metals, right, the metals from previous stars

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 1>that burned and fused these heavy things and then sprayed

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 1>them out into the universe. So we think that also

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.639
<v Speaker 1>as time goes on and the universe gets more and

0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>more metallic, less hydrogen and more heavy stuff, that the

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:51.679
<v Speaker 1>size of stars decreased, like the first generation of stars

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 1>will be weirdly call type three. We think these were

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 1>all really really big, hugely massive stars, like three or

0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 1>four hundred times the mass of our sun, and they

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>burned out really really quickly. But while they burned, they

0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>also made some heavier metals, So the next generation of

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>stars got seated with more overdensities because you have this

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.359
<v Speaker 1>like spray of little dots of metal to start more

0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>stars and sort of collapsed more easily into these cold blobs.

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>So it's a complicated interplay with like the temperature of

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:20.800
<v Speaker 1>these gas clouds and the distribution of where the metal

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 1>seeds are to start these things, and there's a lot

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of uncertainty. People aren't really sure exactly what the shape

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 1>of this initial mass function is, but we are sure

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 1>of the overall trend that bigger stars tend to be

0:28:32.520 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>more rare and smaller stars more common, and that's why

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:39.800
<v Speaker 1>we have more small stars than big stars. M Interesting.

0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what that was like when we first discovered

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>that effect that most of the stars in the universe

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 1>are red dwarfs, Because I imagine we looked that into

0:28:48.280 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the sky and saw a bunch of starts and thought, oh,

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty neat. But then we looked at the universe

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>at a different kind of line, and so I'm lean, boom,

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>there's like a three times more stars than we thought

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.400
<v Speaker 1>there were. Yeah, exactly. It's one of my favorite things

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>about a start, me that every time we build a

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>new kind of instrument and look out into the universe,

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.880
<v Speaker 1>we discover, Wow, there's a lot more going on than

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 1>we thought. It's like a whole other universe out there

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>filled with these red dwarves. We've been looking mostly at

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>the rare stuff and not at the common stuff, not

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>at the typical stuff, and it turns out that our

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>sun is not one of the usual ones. And that's

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of the core of the red dwarf paradox. It's like,

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>if most of the stars out there are red dwarfs,

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and they live much much longer than our kind of star,

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>then why did we happen to evolve around one of

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>these rare, shorter lived stars instead of one of the

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>more common, longer lived ones. So that's the basic red

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 1>dwarf paradox. It's like, why didn't we get to evolved

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:47.120
<v Speaker 1>or come up in a star that's the red dwarf

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 1>because there is three times more common than our kind

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>of star, They're five times more common, and on average

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>they outlast our star by twenty So like, either it's

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>a one in one hundred chance, or maybe there's a reason,

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's an explanation why life can't happen around red

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>dwarves or it's less likely around red dwarves. One thing

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:08.120
<v Speaker 1>we do know is that red dwarves tend to have

0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>planets around them, just like our kind of star. And

0:30:10.720 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>so it's a fun question, like is there life around

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>red dwarves? Are we an unusual kind of life? Is

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody else out there in the universe? Superman? Are all

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 1>their planets called Krypton? That is what does this day

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>up at night wondering about. But this is an interesting scenario.

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>You're saying that most red dwarfs are kind of just

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 1>like our stars. They can have planets orbiting around them.

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>What would their sun look like to someone living at

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:38.080
<v Speaker 1>a planet like that, Well, if you're at the same

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>distance from that red dwarf as we are from our sun,

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 1>then of course there'd be a lot dimmer, right and colder, right, Yeah, exactly,

0:30:45.280 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>dimmer and colder. It'd be dark and chilly. Of course,

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>you could be closer up and then you'd be brighter

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>and warmer. But the star itself also would look different.

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>The star itself is colder, which means it's light is redder.

0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So you look in the sky, you wouldn't see like

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>a yellow or white sun. You see like a pale

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.960
<v Speaker 1>orange or a red disc in the sky. It would

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>be a very different experience. Well, I wonder if it

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.320
<v Speaker 1>would be different, you know, because you would have to

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>be closer to the star to get the same warmth

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>as us. So it is possible for there to be

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>a planet I run, a red dwarf that feels like

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>our situation here, and you'd be closer to it, so

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>would be just as warm and maybe just as bright

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>as our sun is to us, wouldn't it. Yeah, you

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:29.440
<v Speaker 1>could definitely have a planet in a habitable zone where

0:31:29.520 --> 0:31:31.880
<v Speaker 1>water is liquid at the surface and it's about the

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>same temperature as Earth. But it would look different in

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>the sky, right, It would still be red instead of yellow.

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Though if you evolve on that planet, then who knows

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>what your experience of red is. Yeah, that's what I mean, Like,

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>it would only look red if a human went over

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>there and landed on that planet. But to some species

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>that evolved there, it would just look like white light,

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>or it would be what they call white light, because

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they would maybe see a different, totally different spectrum of light.

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>The visible spectrum would be you know, shifted it over,

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>but they would call that white light, right. I don't

0:32:03.920 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>know what they would call it, but you're totally right

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>that it's very likely that their visible spectrum would be

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>different from ours because ours evolved in response to the

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 1>light that happens to be here on Earth. What we

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>call visible is no coincidence. Peaks around the light that

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>the sun puts out our sun, and so it makes

0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense, as you say, for aliens around

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf, for their visible sensitivity to peek around

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the light emitted by their star instead of ours. Whether

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>they would call that white or not, I'm not sure

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>what they would experience it, what would their art be like?

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, I guess what I mean is like what

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.440
<v Speaker 1>we call white light is just light that has all

0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the frequencies in our visible spectrum. Like that's our experience

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>of white light. And so if you're growing up in

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.960
<v Speaker 1>that red dwarf planet, you know, your eyes would probably

0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>evolve to also interpret, you know, everything that's in your

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>visible spectrum to be you know, the white or what

0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:57.959
<v Speaker 1>we would call white. And so you know, they wouldn't

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:00.080
<v Speaker 1>know they're in a red planet. That's interesting. And if

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>they tend to paint like all their walls white, we

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>show up to visit, there would be like, why is

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>everything painted red? You guys have like a red sun.

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not enough. You'll also have to paint all of

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 1>your walls red, right, That's what I mean. Or if

0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they came to our planet, they'd be like, why is

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>everything blue? You guys are nuts. That's not blue. That's

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 1>not white. That blue. We say, we just got the

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>blues because we didn't get to grow up around a

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>red dwarf. We got the yellow dwarf blues. Yeah, and

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>so our star is not a red dwarf. It's a

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.920
<v Speaker 1>different kind of star. It's bigger. We have a G dwarf. Wait,

0:33:30.960 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>it's still a dwarf. Well, you might not be surprised,

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:35.479
<v Speaker 1>but there's a lot of disagreement about what to call them.

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Some people call it a yellow dwarf or a G

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>type or a G dwarf, but it's part of a

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>category of stars F, G, and K, where those letters

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 1>just indicate basically the mass of the star and therefore

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>it's temperature. So every star that has a mass of

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>our sun within about ten percent we call a G

0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>type or G dwarf. And then there are F type

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and K type that can be like a little bigger

0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>or a little hotter or whatever. Lots of famous stars

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>like Alpha Centauri, for example, is also a G type star. Interesting, well,

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I like our star. It's pretty nice and sunny for

0:34:08.239 --> 0:34:10.680
<v Speaker 1>us here. Maybe my next question is like, why is

0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>this a paradox? I feel like maybe you're stretching the

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>definition of the work because it doesn't feel like a

0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>logical inconsistency. It just feels like a philosophical question, like

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>why did we happen to live around a star that represents,

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, the fifteen percent of all the stars in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. I think it's called a paradox because it

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>asks a basic question. It says, if it's true that

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.240
<v Speaker 1>these stars are just as likely to have life as ours,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 1>then it's much more likely that we would have evolved

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<v Speaker 1>on a red dwarf instead of a G type star.

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And so you have to either say all right, something

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<v Speaker 1>very unlikely happened, or there's a reason. This an explanation

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is to again just a tool to dig into all

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:55.320
<v Speaker 1>of those assumptions. In this case, it's not like ridiculously unlikely.

0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about it's like a one in a hundred chance.

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>If life is equally like need to evolve around G type,

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 1>F type K type and red dwarfs, then it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a one one hundred chance to not end up evolving

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 1>around a red dwarf. And that's not crazy. You know,

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>one and one hundred chances happen, But it's an invitation

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:14.879
<v Speaker 1>to dig deeper. And for those of us who want

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 1>to understand the universe, these are opportunities. These are clues

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 1>that say maybe there's something else going on. All right, well,

0:35:21.360 --> 0:35:24.279
<v Speaker 1>let's dig into what could be going on there. What

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.680
<v Speaker 1>kinds of assumptions are we making about life here on

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Earth and what life could be like around a red

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:32.040
<v Speaker 1>dwarf planet. So let's tag into that. But first let's

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 1>take another quick break. All right, we're talking about Superman.

0:35:47.880 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite Superman storyline, Denny? The one where Daniel

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't know that Superman required sunlight to work. You didn't

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>know Superman was big on solar energy. The one where

0:36:00.600 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Superman makes a crossover on my favorite TV show, Red Dwarf.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.600
<v Speaker 1>That might happen. You never know, You know, all these

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>companies keep getting bought out by other companies. That's right.

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.959
<v Speaker 1>If DC buys the BBC and we have the DC

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:20.520
<v Speaker 1>BBC extended Universe, maybe it'll happen. Right the DBC. We're

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.799
<v Speaker 1>talking about red dwarves, and apparently our star, the one

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 1>we see during the day, is not the most common

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 1>type of star in the universe. It's only maybe fifteen

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>percent of all it's kind, It's only fifty percent of

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:34.720
<v Speaker 1>all the stars out there in the galleys in our galaxy.

0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 1>Most of the stars seventy stars in the galaxy are

0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 1>red dwarves, which are different, smaller, cooler, And so maybe

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 1>a question you can ask is like, why isn't our

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 1>star a red dwarf? I guess I'm wondering what we're

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 1>really asking here. We're asking why our star is not

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<v Speaker 1>a red dwarf? Or are we asking why we're not

0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:55.879
<v Speaker 1>a species that grew up around a red dwarf? Yeah?

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>The second one we're asking is it just chance that

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:01.399
<v Speaker 1>we haven't evolve not in the most likely situation, or

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 1>is there a reason or we misunderstood where life is

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 1>possible and likely. I guess that's a weird question to ask,

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>because the answer could be both. Right. It could be

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 1>that there's equal chances of a species growing up around

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>any star, but we just happened to be one one

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>of the ones that grew up around a yellow star. Yeah. Absolutely,

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>it certainly could be both, and it could also just

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:27.600
<v Speaker 1>be chanced. Those coincidences do happen. But we've made a

0:37:27.640 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of progress in science just by pushing this basic principle.

0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.480
<v Speaker 1>The Copernican principle is saying, let's never assume that there's

0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 1>something special or weird about our situation. Let's try to

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<v Speaker 1>describe what we see under the assumption that no place

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>is special. And that's been very useful. It's not a

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>hard and fast rule, but it's guided our thinking and

0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.919
<v Speaker 1>helped us make discoveries. All Right, Well, if you apply

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>that principle, what would be some of the answers to

0:37:50.440 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 1>the red poarf paradox. Well, one way you could reduce

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the unlikeliness of the paradox is to think about how

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<v Speaker 1>fast life does evolve into intelligent life. One thing we're

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<v Speaker 1>saying is that these red dwarfs is five times as

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<v Speaker 1>many of them, and they last twenty times is long.

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 1>It seems to suggest that you're like a hundred times

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to revolve around a red dwarf than our

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of star. But that is actually making some assumptions.

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:15.879
<v Speaker 1>That's assuming, for example, that life might take a long

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:19.200
<v Speaker 1>time to evolve. You know, that's very unlikely, and so

0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>these Red Dwarfs, because they last longer and they're more

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>of them, they're basically like buying more lottery tickets, and

0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:27.400
<v Speaker 1>so they're more likely to win. But instead, if intelligent

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>life evolves pretty rapidly, it doesn't take very long to evolve,

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>then the fact that Red Dwarves happen to live longer,

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.920
<v Speaker 1>have longer lifespan doesn't necessarily help them. And so in

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>that scenario, instead of being like one hundred to one,

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it's more like five to one odds. It's just basically

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<v Speaker 1>the relative rates of occurrence that determines your likelihood of

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<v Speaker 1>being around a Red dwarf or a yellow star. I

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 1>guess maybe I'm not quite sure I understand that argument.

0:38:53.360 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 1>If you are around longer, if a red Dwarf is

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<v Speaker 1>around longer, which it is, As you say, can we

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<v Speaker 1>get even less longer than the eight of the universe

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make it more likely that it has or at

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 1>some point in its history will have life. Then let's

0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>say our star. If life is really unusual or it

0:39:08.480 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 1>takes a long time to evolve, then yes, But say

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 1>life happens really quickly when it does. Right, then the

0:39:14.640 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>fact that the red Dwarf is going to last for

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>trillions of years means that civilization gets to live longer

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>around its star. But it doesn't mean that it's twenty

0:39:21.840 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>times as likely to evolve around one of those Why not?

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I guess you know you're assuming that life is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a certainty if you have a certain set of conditions.

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.800
<v Speaker 1>But maybe it's a probability thing for life to occur,

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<v Speaker 1>right like if you need to roll the die and

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<v Speaker 1>get a certain number to get any kind of seed

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of life when you're around your star, then the longer

0:39:40.960 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>you are, the more times you get to throw the die.

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>You're assuming it's a certainty, but it's not right. It's

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe chance base it maybe is right. But what we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing here is we're examining which assumptions could possibly explain.

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>It's what assumptions will we have to change in order

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.799
<v Speaker 1>to explain what we're seeing. You're totally right that if

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<v Speaker 1>it's like rolling the dice and it's very unlikely, then

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:02.280
<v Speaker 1>the more times you roll the dice, the more odds

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you have, and so then you would be much more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to evolve around a red star. But if it's not,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's basically certain it happens pretty quickly, then you

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 1>would expect life to happen around red dwarfs only five

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<v Speaker 1>times as often as around yellow stars, because that's the

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.239
<v Speaker 1>relative rate of their occurrence, and the time wouldn't be

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a factor. And that could be the case, right, it

0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>could be five times more Kryptonians and Earthlings out during

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the universe. There certainly could be. And we also don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know, you know, how common is life? How long

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>does it take to evolve? We think that on Earth,

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>life itself evolved pretty quickly. There's like fossil records going

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>billions of years back, so we think it didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>very long for life itself to evolve, although intelligent life

0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:48.279
<v Speaker 1>is much more recent development, and so it might be

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<v Speaker 1>that life is very common in the universe and all

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<v Speaker 1>those red dwarfs are teeming with little bacteria. But intelligent life,

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, people making podcasts and writing comic books and

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff, is more rare. We just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the answer to those questions. Well, if it

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<v Speaker 1>is more rreer, then having five times more stars and

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:08.280
<v Speaker 1>being around longer would make that so much more likely

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that they have intelligent life, right exactly. Yeah, so this

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.240
<v Speaker 1>isn't a great answer to the question, but it changes

0:41:13.280 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the probabilities, right, the likelihood and the time it takes

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.359
<v Speaker 1>for intelligent life to evolve does change how likely you

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.320
<v Speaker 1>are to evolve around a red star or a yellow dwarf.

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 1>So then how does this resolve the paradox? I don't

0:41:26.040 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>think it totally resolves the paradox, But if we did

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<v Speaker 1>live in a universe where intelligent life emerged very, very rapidly,

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>then our situation wouldn't be as unlikely. It'd be like

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<v Speaker 1>a one in five chance instead of a one in

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>one hundred chance. So it reduces the tension a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, all right, it makes us less of a miracle,

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>yeah exactly, We're less a little less weird. All right, Well,

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>what are other possible resolutions to this paradox. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>might be that it's not as easy for life to

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>evolve around red dwarfs, Like maybe red dwarfs are not

0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 1>as habitable as yellow stars. There are more differences between

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>red dwarfs and yellow stars than just their brightness. Because

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 1>they're so much smaller, they tend to have different sort

0:42:09.800 --> 0:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of behaviors, which might make it harder for life to

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 1>evolve around them. Like what kinds of behaviors? Well, for example,

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:19.239
<v Speaker 1>we talked earlier about how to be in the habitable zone,

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>you would have to be much much closer to the star, right,

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 1>because the star is much dimmer. In that scenario, you're

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to be tidally locked to the star, which

0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>means that like one surface of the planet is always

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:35.240
<v Speaker 1>facing the star. Tidal forces are really just gravitational forces.

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Gravity hinds to tug on the closer bit harder than

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>on the further bit. If you can elongate the planet

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, then it prevents the planet from spinning

0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.879
<v Speaker 1>the way. For example, the same side of the Moon

0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>is always facing the Earth, and so if you're on

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>a planet really close to your star, you might be

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>tidally locked and That means that one half of the

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>planet would be super duper hot and the other half

0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 1>would be super duper cold, and biologists disagree about whether

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that's more or likely or less likely to evolve life.

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Does that assume a planet the same size as Earth.

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.759
<v Speaker 1>What if you're a smaller planet or what if you

0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:10.959
<v Speaker 1>have some spin to begin with? Yeah, smaller planet would

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.000
<v Speaker 1>be less likely to be tightly locked. That's true, And

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 1>it's not guaranteed that all these planets would be tightly locked.

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.319
<v Speaker 1>You right, If you have a lot of spin, you

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.359
<v Speaker 1>might be able to avoid it. But more of these

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>planets would be tightly locked than, for example, earthlike planets

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>around a yellow dwarf, so it might complicate the evolution

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>of life. Another issue with these stars is that a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of red dwarfs tend to be what we call

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<v Speaker 1>flare stars. Unlike the Sun, which burns pretty steadily and

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.239
<v Speaker 1>you know it has some flare ups and some deviations

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>in its brightness, red dwarfs can sometimes vary dramatically in

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.120
<v Speaker 1>their brightness. A flare star is something that can be

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<v Speaker 1>like two or five or one hundred times as bright

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<v Speaker 1>as it normally is all of a sudden for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while and then sort of calm back down. They

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:55.080
<v Speaker 1>don't tend to burn as steadily. Well, you're saying red

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 1>dwarves tend to flare up more than our kind of start. Yeah,

0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>red dwarfs tend to be more variable than yellow stars.

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I thought they were more like moderate and steady. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a subject of intense debate, and we're not sure we understand.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:10.200
<v Speaker 1>But remember that a lot of stars out there are

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>also binary stars, and so these red dwarves might be

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>in binary systems, and interactions between the magnetic fields of

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the two stars can interfere with what's going on inside

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the star and like heat it up briefly and cause

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>it to burn hotter for a short period. So it's

0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 1>not something we understand very well. But the stars that

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we have studied, most of the flare stars, tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be these red dwarves, and that would be pretty unpleasant

0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 1>for life. If all of a sudden the Sun is

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.360
<v Speaker 1>like a hundred times hotter than it usually is. M

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>you might have to leave that planet right or at

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.520
<v Speaker 1>least like put your son in a spaceship and send

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 1>it to another planet. It's like a yellow sun. Perhaps

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.399
<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a great idea for a comic book.

0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 1>You should copyright that, like fifty years ago. Let's go

0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>back in time to your grandfather and tell him that idea.

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.959
<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's called the Superman I had the idea

0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.799
<v Speaker 1>for Superman Paradox. So why are you wasting your time

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.439
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast? You just be counting your money because

0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm stuck in this multiverse, Daniel. I could be a

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>billionaire cartoonist instead, I'm just a cartoonist. Just a cartoonist. Yeah,

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.799
<v Speaker 1>so flare stars would make it harder for life to

0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 1>evolve for at least lifelike hours. You know, maybe that

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of environment would lead to totally different kinds of

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>life that are less sensitive to radiation. Or maybe they'd

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>have to burrow underground where it might be safer and

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>they could still somehow tap into the heat of the sun.

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.880
<v Speaker 1>M right, because we don't like we assume that you

0:45:28.960 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>need day and nighttime cycles to thrive like we do, right,

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Like you need a good night's sleep. Of course you

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>need nighttime for that. But maybe not right, Like, maybe

0:45:37.600 --> 0:45:40.160
<v Speaker 1>it could be even the opposite, Like maybe life flourishes

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:44.040
<v Speaker 1>better if there's no nighttime. Yeah maybe, and maybe it's

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 1>great to have like super duper hot summers every few

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred years. You know, things get fried to a crisp,

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.240
<v Speaker 1>but the strong survive. Who knows. There's one more issue

0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>with life developing around these red dwarfs is that in

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the systems we have studied so far, we see fewer

0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 1>large gas giants, basically fewer Jupiters. So, you know, we

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>are very happy to have Jupiter or solar system because

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>it's big, and it's gravitational, and it tends to protect

0:46:09.040 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>us from comments and asteroids. Sometimes it sweeps these things

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 1>out of the inner Solar system, But in systems with

0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 1>red dwarf stars, we tend to see fewer of these jupiters,

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 1>which might mean that they're not as protected from asteroids,

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 1>so it might mean more big impacts like the ones

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:28.319
<v Speaker 1>that wiped out the dinosaurs. I see. We don't see

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter size planets around those other solar systems, But I

0:46:31.600 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>wonder if they have their own version of Jupiter. Right,

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a red dwarf system would be very

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>similar to ours, just kind of scaled down. So maybe

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>you have to scale down your expectations for what a

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 1>Jupiter would be like. Yeah, as long as they're being

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 1>hit by mini asteroids and maybe it's cool. And remember, also,

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:50.719
<v Speaker 1>being hit by an asteroid isn't all bad. I mean, sure,

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>lots of things die, but it also can make room

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>for all sorts of new evolution like mammals and humans.

0:46:56.520 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't necessarily have to be a planet wide extinction event.

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>But I guess you're saying that life around a red

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 1>dwarf isn't necessarily rosier than or it might be less

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 1>rosy than technically, both metaphorically and physically speaking than life

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>around a yellow start. Yeah, you might be wearing rose

0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>colored glasses, but there might actually be fewer roses, or

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 1>at least the situation would be different. And if we're

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 1>making a simple argument about the likelihood for life to evolve,

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>this sort of undermines sense as well. The conditions we

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.719
<v Speaker 1>know are quite different, and so life might be less

0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>likely to evolve in those scenarios. On the other hand,

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>it could also be more likely. Right, maybe life in

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 1>the universe prefers that situation to ours. We just don't know.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.680
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, then what's another or maybe the last

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:46.440
<v Speaker 1>possible resolution to this paradox? The last sort of idea

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>people have to explain this is that maybe there aren't

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:54.320
<v Speaker 1>as many earthlike worlds around these red dwarfs as we think. Remember,

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the red dwarfs, they're hard to study because they're small

0:47:57.360 --> 0:47:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and they're dim. Most of the ones that we study

0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:02.360
<v Speaker 1>are like the really big versions of them, sort of

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:05.319
<v Speaker 1>on the upper edge of red dwarfs. A lot of

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the red dwarfs that are out there, most of them

0:48:07.080 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 1>that are out there, are smaller. It's not just true

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.279
<v Speaker 1>that there are more red dwarfs than yellow stars. There

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:15.960
<v Speaker 1>are more small red dwarfs than bigger red dwarfs. So

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 1>most of the red dwarfs out there are the ones

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.800
<v Speaker 1>that we have trouble seeing. So our calculations are estimates

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.959
<v Speaker 1>about like how often there's an earthlike planet inhabitable zone

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>around these things. Those could just be wrong, and it

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>might be that most of the red dwarves out there

0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>don't have planets the way our stars do. They're just

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of too hard to study. Right now, we're like

0:48:35.680 --> 0:48:39.840
<v Speaker 1>extrapolating into the unknown, well beyond what we really have

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.720
<v Speaker 1>confidence in, I see, because we haven't. We don't actually

0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 1>know what the planets around those smaller red dwarves are,

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, or how many there even are right. So

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 1>we're making these assumptions. We're extrapolating from our situation and

0:48:51.840 --> 0:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>from the few examples we have been able to study

0:48:54.480 --> 0:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>about red dwarfs. But that's an extrapolation, and that could

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.960
<v Speaker 1>be where we're going wrong. Maybe only the red dwarves

0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:02.799
<v Speaker 1>have these kind of planets, and most of the ones

0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.320
<v Speaker 1>out there, which are most of the stars in the galaxy,

0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have them. M that would make it less weird

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 1>that we exist around a yellow star. And fortunately we're

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>going to learn more about this soon. In twenty thirty five,

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:18.800
<v Speaker 1>we hope to be launching a new space telescope called

0:49:18.880 --> 0:49:22.440
<v Speaker 1>have X, which is going to specialize in studying planets

0:49:22.480 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 1>around stars, even dimmer stars. It's going to be super

0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.400
<v Speaker 1>awesome with this like four meter sized mirror enough star

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>shade to block out the light from the stars, and

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:34.360
<v Speaker 1>it's going to help us understand where are the planets

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.080
<v Speaker 1>in the galaxy? Are they mostly around yellow stars? Are

0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they also around red stars? Are they also around the smaller,

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:44.080
<v Speaker 1>more variable red stars. What's life like over there? That's

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. So a big telescope just to look at

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:50.440
<v Speaker 1>planets might even looking at star. It's just totally dedicated

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to looking four aliens. Basically, it's really amazing technology. This

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 1>thing it has a star shade. This thing that fits

0:49:58.040 --> 0:50:00.799
<v Speaker 1>in front of it floats in space. It's bread from it.

0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like a two component thing. The second piece is

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:07.360
<v Speaker 1>just there to block out light from stars. Right, Mostly

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.600
<v Speaker 1>telescopes are focused on stars. This one specifically has a

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.560
<v Speaker 1>blind spot for stars because it wants to see the planets. Cool. Well,

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 1>that will go up in twenty thirty five, and I'm

0:50:16.719 --> 0:50:19.440
<v Speaker 1>sure we'll do an episode when we get to that point.

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 1>If we're still alive, if neither of us are billionaires

0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:26.919
<v Speaker 1>by the end, if an asteroid hasn't hit us, or

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Superma's income, or other aliens wearing their rose colored glasses

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 1>having come to tell us all the secrets of the universe. Well,

0:50:34.800 --> 0:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't they need blue colored glasses. It's a blue flower,

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.160
<v Speaker 1>a violet violet. There you go, violet colored glasses. Let's

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 1>just hope they bring violets and not violence. All right, Well,

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I think this is an interesting question to think about,

0:50:49.560 --> 0:50:52.000
<v Speaker 1>you know. It against kind of makes you wonder how

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:54.560
<v Speaker 1>rare it is for us to be here, or maybe

0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>how common it is. Either way, it's kind of a

0:50:57.040 --> 0:50:59.279
<v Speaker 1>fun question to think about. It's all part of this

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:02.600
<v Speaker 1>journey looking out into the universe and wondering why it

0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:04.640
<v Speaker 1>is the way that it is, and is our corner

0:51:04.680 --> 0:51:09.040
<v Speaker 1>of it weird or not? Yeah? Are we superman or

0:51:09.080 --> 0:51:12.919
<v Speaker 1>are we just regular earth Links? They're never talking about

0:51:12.960 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>what what happens if you go from the yellow sun

0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 1>to a red sun? Do you get weaker? Maybe they

0:51:17.239 --> 0:51:19.000
<v Speaker 1>have a comic book where earth Links go to their

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:25.799
<v Speaker 1>planet and they're called Underman underwear Man. Maybe, well, I

0:51:25.800 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think no one's already taken Captain Underpants. Every idea is

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>out there. Yeah, there you go. Maybe you can go

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:34.160
<v Speaker 1>back in time. All right, Well, we hope that made

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you think about your life and how likely it is

0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>for you to be here, and how appreciative we should

0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.320
<v Speaker 1>be every time you go outside and feel the warm

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 1>rays of our sun and wonder about those aliens out there.

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Are they also enjoying a yellow star? Or is everything

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>on their planet red? Or is what they call red

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:57.399
<v Speaker 1>actually yellow? Thanks for joining us, See you next time.

0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:08.000
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0:52:08.040 --> 0:52:11.960
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