WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: The Maze

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is Joe McCormick. And today's movie on Weird

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<v Speaker 3>House is the nineteen fifty three three D horror film

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<v Speaker 3>The Maze, directed by William Cameron Menzies. I had never

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<v Speaker 3>seen this before this week, and I first became aware

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<v Speaker 3>of it back when we were doing our three Weeks

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<v Speaker 3>of three D series. How long ago was that now,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess it was a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, I'm sometime in months weeks. It's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Time passes strangely in the digital realm, but yeah, we

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<v Speaker 2>were looking at different three D pictures and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them did come. We had certain boom

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<v Speaker 2>periods for three D, and nineteen fifty three was definitely

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<v Speaker 2>one of those years.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely the same year as Vincent Price's House of Wax.

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<v Speaker 2>Same year as Oh Our Friend, the Guerrilla Robot.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Robot Monster. Nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it was a big year for three D pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've been into a number of nineteen fifties films

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<v Speaker 2>in general this year.

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<v Speaker 3>So The Maze ended up on my list of movies

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<v Speaker 3>for that we ended up not picking it with some

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<v Speaker 3>other options, but it came to mind again for me

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<v Speaker 3>a week or two back when a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 3>was over at the house. He wanted to show me

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<v Speaker 3>a movie, and the one he picked was another film

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<v Speaker 3>by the same director, by William Cameron. Mindsy's a film

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<v Speaker 3>released in nineteen fifty three, so the same year as

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<v Speaker 3>the one we're talking about today, but called Invaders from Mars, which,

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<v Speaker 3>according to a book called Saucer Movies, The Euphological History

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<v Speaker 3>of the Cinema by Paul Mehan, it was the first

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<v Speaker 3>full length movie ever to show aliens and their flying

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<v Speaker 3>saucers in color. I think it just beat out the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty three release of War the World, which I

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<v Speaker 3>think was intentional. They were sort of like trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get it out before War the World's now. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 3>a bit more about this director when we get into

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<v Speaker 3>the connections part of the episode, but I'll just say

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<v Speaker 3>Invaders from Mars is very interesting in that while a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the movie is, you know, stuff we know

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<v Speaker 3>very well from this period, stock footage of military vehicles

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<v Speaker 3>driving around ooh, thrilling, and there's plenty of fifties cheeseball

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<v Speaker 3>alien schlock in it, there are actually some very frightening

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<v Speaker 3>moments and images, And I know this movie stuck with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people who would go on to become

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<v Speaker 3>film directors in later decades. In the seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>they like harkened back to seeing Invaders from Mars when

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<v Speaker 3>they were little kids and being deeply frightened by it

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<v Speaker 3>by certain memorable images, so much so that Toby Hooper

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<v Speaker 3>ended up remaking Invaders from Mars in the eighties, And

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<v Speaker 3>I know there are other directors who have cited it

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<v Speaker 3>as like a movie that really scared them when they

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<v Speaker 3>were young.

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<v Speaker 2>I never saw the original, but I have seen parts

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<v Speaker 2>of Tobe Hooper's remake on TV back in the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, something I thought was interesting about Invaders from Mars

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<v Speaker 3>was that of these actually very frightening moments and images,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the stuff that works best in the

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<v Speaker 3>movie is very set focused. It depends on specific sets

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<v Speaker 3>to the extent that I would I say that I

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<v Speaker 3>really get the feeling that William Cameron Mendsay's is a

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<v Speaker 3>sets guy. There's one that really sticks in my mind

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<v Speaker 3>from Invaders, which is an indoor for outdoor set of

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<v Speaker 3>the main character is like a little boy and aliens

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<v Speaker 3>from mars Land in his backyard, and he starts figuring

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<v Speaker 3>out what's going on as they sort of start pod peopling,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, replacing people with alien drones that look just

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<v Speaker 3>like them. He watches out his window as this alien

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<v Speaker 3>ship comes down in his backyard. And so the backyard

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<v Speaker 3>is a sort of eerie looking hilltop with a path

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<v Speaker 3>leading over it and a few trees in a wooden fence,

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<v Speaker 3>And we repeatedly in that movie see characters venture down

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<v Speaker 3>the path over the top of the hill and just disappear,

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<v Speaker 3>which we later learn is because they are being sucked

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<v Speaker 3>down through a patch of Martian quicksand which Minsias shows

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<v Speaker 3>filling itself back in after it has consumed an earthling

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<v Speaker 3>with a reverse footage effect. And I think that part

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<v Speaker 3>is actually highly effective, especially when paired with that unsettling

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<v Speaker 3>indoor for outdoor set.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I know what you mean. And this ties

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<v Speaker 2>into a lot of the indoor for outdoor sets that

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about before, where if it's done well, if

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<v Speaker 2>it's done right, it feels uncanny. It feels like it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel like a completely artificial environment, but it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like an environment on another planet.

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<v Speaker 3>Longtime listeners may be tired of hearing me say this

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<v Speaker 3>because I bring it up a lot, but I really

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<v Speaker 3>do love a good indoor for outdoor set, like some

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<v Speaker 3>trees on a set and a painted background that I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know when it's good. That really really makes a

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<v Speaker 3>movie go next level for me. But anyway, so, having

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<v Speaker 3>recently seen that movie from the same director, I was

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<v Speaker 3>curious to see this one the Maze because it was

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<v Speaker 3>released the same year as Invaders from Mars, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just kind of waiting there in the back of

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<v Speaker 3>my mind. The only other thing I knew about this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>besides it having the same director as the one I'd

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<v Speaker 3>seen recently, was that it is famous for having an

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely bizarre twist ending that is either horrifying or hilarious,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe both, depending on who you ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I had to look this up in the Psychotronic

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<v Speaker 2>Encyclopedia film, and Michael Weldon first of all praises the

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<v Speaker 2>set designs and then refers to quote the most unusual

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<v Speaker 2>ending you'll ever witness. And of course this is coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a guy who lived in breathed weird movies, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's always an intriguing sign.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I guess you judge the weirdness of an

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<v Speaker 3>ending by contrast, and I would say, if you're thinking

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<v Speaker 3>of I don't know, David Cronenberg movies, this is not

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<v Speaker 3>the weirdest ending you'll ever see, but it might be

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<v Speaker 3>the weirdest ending I've ever seen in contrast to the

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<v Speaker 3>to the energy of the rest of the film beforehand.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, And then you know, in general, most movies

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<v Speaker 2>don't have this ending, yeah, though it would be interesting

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<v Speaker 2>if they did. And I guess the challenge here with

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<v Speaker 2>all of this is we are not going to spoil

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<v Speaker 2>what makes this ending special yet. We'll get to it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll give you a nice warning when we get

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<v Speaker 2>into that territory. But like, this is a film that

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people would not check out

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<v Speaker 2>unless you are maybe a fifties completest or three D

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<v Speaker 2>cinema completest. That's probably more likely. But knowing that the

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<v Speaker 2>ending is special, well you might push forward. And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I would encourage you to do so if that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're in the game for, like a nice weird

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<v Speaker 2>ending that really kind of comes out of left field.

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<v Speaker 3>It's to the point that and we're gonna play the

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<v Speaker 3>trailer for you, because this trailer is, I say, a

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<v Speaker 3>top ten fifties trailer for me. It's really good. It's

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<v Speaker 3>one of those where they talk directly to the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>So Rob, I know you were comparing it to the

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<v Speaker 3>trailer for Mad Love, kind of reminded me of like

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<v Speaker 3>William Castle or The Mask, where somebody is like the

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<v Speaker 3>film you're about to see is one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>horrifying things. Now I will say about the movie itself.

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<v Speaker 3>While I greatly enjoyed it, especially considering the ending, I

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<v Speaker 3>do have to say I think a real demerit of

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<v Speaker 3>this film is that, even at eighty minutes, it feels

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat padded out. And we have discussed films before that

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<v Speaker 3>feel like this could have been a twenty something minute

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<v Speaker 3>Twilight Zone episode but was padded out to feature film length,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think this might well be an example of

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<v Speaker 3>that category. Throughout the middle of the movie, there are

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<v Speaker 3>multiple times we get like a long sequence where a

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<v Speaker 3>characters are discussing what they're about to do and then

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<v Speaker 3>we see them do it, and we could have just

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<v Speaker 3>seen them do it, and even what they're planning on

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<v Speaker 3>doing is not especially riveting plot material. It's like, aunt Edith,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say that you have a cold, which

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<v Speaker 3>means we can't leave the castle, and then they'll have

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<v Speaker 3>to let us stay and discover the secret of the maze,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we see them do what they just talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, not and not When I when I

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<v Speaker 3>say see with them do what they just talked about,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean discover the secret of the maze, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean deliver the excuse about aunt Edith's cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean also aunt Edith and more in particular

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<v Speaker 2>what is it Kitty? There there are protagonists, they are

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<v Speaker 2>main investigators, and there comes a point in the in

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<v Speaker 2>the plot where okay, we're gonna have like six additional

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<v Speaker 2>people added to this plot to help investigate, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>totally unnecessary, Like you could have built up to that

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<v Speaker 2>big reveal, You could have gotten there a lot faster

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<v Speaker 2>without all these additional people just kind of muddying things up.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say, though, once all the friends arrive at

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<v Speaker 3>the castle, the movie becomes significantly funnier. Yes, yeah, because Bert,

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<v Speaker 3>the doctor they invite is uh, he's a character.

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<v Speaker 2>Is birth the one with a gun. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he came to examine his friend for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>medical conditions, but happened to bring a revolver.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, yeah, I know this guy, so I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Yeah, it's a slow build. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>could have benefited from trimming maybe like twenty minutes off

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Yeah, it could have been either a much

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<v Speaker 2>shorter feature or a horror anthology episode. Yeah, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>worth it's worth still worth pushing through to get to

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<v Speaker 2>this ending. But if you didn't know there was a

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<v Speaker 2>treat at the end, you might easily bail out, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>half an hour into this picture. Yeah, all right, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have an elevator pitch for the Maze?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I started writing an elevator pitch just

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<v Speaker 3>based around spoiling the ending, But I think we're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to do that, are we. We're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>do that until later in this episode. We'll give you

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to bail out if you'd rather not know

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<v Speaker 3>ahead of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then we will spoil the hell out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a grand old time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So instead I'll do the traditional movie set up

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<v Speaker 3>elevator pitch. East fiance, Gerald, is heir to the estate

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<v Speaker 3>of Craven Castle in Scotland. Just two weeks before their wedding,

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<v Speaker 3>he is summoned to Craven with no warning, only to

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<v Speaker 3>then cease all contact with his beloved. Will she find

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<v Speaker 3>him again and reclaim their love or will a terrible

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<v Speaker 3>family secret destroy them all?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, sounds intriguing. Well, let's get the trailer audio

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<v Speaker 2>experience here, and like you said, Joe, this one's a

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<v Speaker 2>real treat.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Richard Carlson.

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<v Speaker 5>If I look somewhat older and more drawn than I

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<v Speaker 5>have in my recent pictures, it's because of the harrowing

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<v Speaker 5>experiences I've been having here in the Maze. The Maze

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<v Speaker 5>is the first picture in three dimension that delves into

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<v Speaker 5>the weird and terrifying world of the supernatural. If you're

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<v Speaker 5>familiar with the exciting effects that can be achieved with

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<v Speaker 5>three D, you can imagine what happens when something from

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<v Speaker 5>the great beyond reaches right out of the screen to

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<v Speaker 5>clutch at you. On one more thing, after you've seen

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<v Speaker 5>The Maze, please don't reveal to your friends the secret

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<v Speaker 5>of its story or its startling climax. Because you see,

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<v Speaker 5>we think the Maze will amaze you.

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<v Speaker 4>What fearful secret was hidden from the world for two

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<v Speaker 4>hundred years? Why was every door in Craven Castle locked

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<v Speaker 4>at night? I went to your room and I saw something,

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<v Speaker 4>something horrible. It was the most horrible thing I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 4>It was your imagination, something alive.

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<v Speaker 5>I saw it move.

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<v Speaker 4>The terrifying story that startled the world comes to the

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<v Speaker 4>screen in three dimensions.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, I'm actor Richard Carlson. You might remember me from

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<v Speaker 3>films when I did not appear to be at the

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<v Speaker 3>very moment of death. Well that's all in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>I am now morbidly wizened and my blood has turned

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<v Speaker 3>to an ashen vapor as a result of my participation

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<v Speaker 3>in this film.

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<v Speaker 2>We think the Maze will amaze you. Perfect, absolutely perfect. God.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine the people groaning in the theaters when

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<v Speaker 3>they hear that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, maybe it was in a different reception

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<v Speaker 2>back then they had been like, Hey, that's clever, this

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<v Speaker 2>movie looks clever.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost, without no pun intended, said, that is amazing

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<v Speaker 3>word play.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, if you want to dive in and experience

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<v Speaker 2>the maze for yourself, before we proceed through and start

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the rest of the plot and the people

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<v Speaker 2>involved in it. Well, it is available on DVD and

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<v Speaker 2>Blu Ray, and it was released on three D Blu

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<v Speaker 2>Ray for those of you who still have that technology

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<v Speaker 2>or have access to a time machine to go back

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<v Speaker 2>into the most recent home three D boom and get

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<v Speaker 2>a taste of that. I'm not sure this one is

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<v Speaker 2>available for like legitimate streaming out there anywhere, but all

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<v Speaker 2>that changes, you know, month to month. Almost if you

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<v Speaker 2>look around, you might be able to find a stream

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<v Speaker 2>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is yet another one that we did not get

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<v Speaker 3>to see in three D.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you can still recognize those scenes, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about those scenes where it's like, yep, these are

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<v Speaker 2>the three D scenes. Put your glasses on.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Okay, so we talked about connections.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or we're going to start right here at the

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<v Speaker 2>top with director slash production designer William Cameron Menzies, who

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<v Speaker 2>we've we've been alluding to a little bit already. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>something of a legend in this area of production design,

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<v Speaker 2>though I don't know that i'd ever actually seen a

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<v Speaker 2>film in its entirety that he worked on.

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<v Speaker 3>Same here apart from Invaders from Mars. I have in

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<v Speaker 3>part seen his famous H. G. Wells adaptation Things to Come,

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<v Speaker 3>which I know we're going to have to watch for

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<v Speaker 3>a weird House one day.

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<v Speaker 2>So. Menzies was born in eighteen ninety six died in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven. He was an American filmmaker, best known

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<v Speaker 2>for his contributions as a production designer. In fact, Menzies

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<v Speaker 2>apparently invent the title production designer and his credits in

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<v Speaker 2>this area, which is also like art direction. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was often referred to. This goes back to the

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<v Speaker 2>silent era, and he has some extremely impressive credentials from

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<v Speaker 2>that era, the lavish silent swashbuckler from nineteen twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>The Thief of Bagdad. That one starred Douglas Fairbanks and

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<v Speaker 2>also featured Anime Wong in a supporting role, and then

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<v Speaker 2>a much later in his career, or a good bit

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<v Speaker 2>later in his career, nineteen thirty nine, is Gone with

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<v Speaker 2>the Wind. He also was involved in that lavish production

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<v Speaker 2>design on that picture. As far as directing, he directed

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen films and served as production designer on several of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think most of them, and these include

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty two's Chandu the Magician. This one had cinematography

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<v Speaker 2>by James Wong Howell, who we've discussed in the show before.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen thirty six is Things to Come, which you mentioned already,

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty threes Invaders from Mars, which you recently watched.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's interesting. I feel I would like to

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<v Speaker 3>know more about how he thought of his own role

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<v Speaker 3>as a director in his own film career, because you

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned that he invented the title production designer. If you

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<v Speaker 3>look at the credits at the beginning of the Maze,

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<v Speaker 3>you might notice that he is He lists himself as

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<v Speaker 3>a production designed and directed by William Cameron Mendsies. First,

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<v Speaker 3>first thing there is production designed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that is where he really made a

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<v Speaker 2>name for himself. But then you know, it gets into

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<v Speaker 2>directing of pictures as well. I was reading The Tragedy

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<v Speaker 2>of Three D Cinema by Rick Mitchell from two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and four, and this is a fun article worth checking

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<v Speaker 2>out if you're disinterested in the three D booma general.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a long article. You can find it on

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Store and he's going he talks about like the

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<v Speaker 2>different booms in three D and what different studios were

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<v Speaker 2>doing project wise to try and capitalize in that boom,

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<v Speaker 2>and with a nineteen fifty three three D boom, this

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the independent entries into the three D pool.

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<v Speaker 2>This is allied Artist slash Monogram. And while the film

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<v Speaker 2>itself is you know what it is, it's nobody's top

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<v Speaker 2>three D picture, it's nobody's top nineteen fifty three picture,

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<v Speaker 2>he does say the following quote. Mensi's approach to camera placement, composition,

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<v Speaker 2>and lighting were especially suited to three D, and in

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<v Speaker 2>many ways the Maze is a textbook example of how

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot a three D film, and he ultimately contends

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<v Speaker 2>to that as a director, Mensie's never really had the

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<v Speaker 2>chance to work with a script that was truly deserving

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<v Speaker 2>of his talents. So, you know, far more technically proficient,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the skilled when it came to the

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<v Speaker 2>visual and the artistic design of a picture. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as he worked his way up into the director's chair,

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<v Speaker 2>he perhaps never really had that perfect script to bring

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<v Speaker 2>to life.

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<v Speaker 3>That does seem true based on my experience, though I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I would reserve judgment on that until I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>things to come, which seems a more ambitious project in

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<v Speaker 3>terms of storytelling than the two moves I have seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he did. You know again, he was highly

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<v Speaker 2>thought of when it came to production design or the

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<v Speaker 2>art design on these various pictures. Now, Minsi's was nominated

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<v Speaker 2>for four Oscars three Best Art Direction nominations in nineteen thirty,

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<v Speaker 2>two of them in nineteen twenty nine. And fun fact,

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<v Speaker 2>there were two Oscar ceremonies in nineteen thirty, so these

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<v Speaker 2>awards are spread out across three different Academy Awards ceremonies

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<v Speaker 2>in the space of two years. Okay, yeah, it gets

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<v Speaker 2>kind of weird when you start looking back at like

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<v Speaker 2>early Oscars history, you know, because they didn't even start

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<v Speaker 2>told what twenty nine. So anyway, he did win one

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<v Speaker 2>of these. It was for a film in twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>titled The Dove, and then later on he got an

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<v Speaker 2>Honorary Award for his work on Gone with the Wind.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. The screenplay on this one was written by

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel b Olman or as an adapted screenplay. Rather. He

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<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen eighteen through nineteen seventy nine. His other screenplays

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<v Speaker 2>include nineteen sixty one's Mysterious Island That Start a Giant

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<v Speaker 2>crab as well as various action, western and suspense films.

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<v Speaker 3>There aren't as many giant crab movies as you would think.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that one stands out. It's a good looking crab.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I said it was an adapted screenplay. It is

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<v Speaker 2>based on a novel, a novel by Maurice Sandawz, who

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<v Speaker 2>lived eighteen ninety two through nineteen fifty eight, a Swiss

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<v Speaker 2>author and composer who apparently earned a PhD in chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>but chose to devote his life to art instead of science.

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<v Speaker 2>His books I've read often venture into surreal and horrific territory,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, you know, dipping into some of that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the energy of sort of the weird tales, weird fiction era.

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<v Speaker 2>His nineteen forty five novel The Maze is the basis

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<v Speaker 2>for this film and is apparently a key example of

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<v Speaker 2>these interests. The novel has a largely gothic horror eye

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<v Speaker 2>by understand, but also has this highly weird twist at

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<v Speaker 2>the end. The surrealist artist Salvador Dali actually illustrated an

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<v Speaker 2>edition of this novel. You can find various booksellers online

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<v Speaker 2>selling this illustrated volume it seems to be a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>hot item among book collectors. I couldn't get a hit

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<v Speaker 2>my hands on a copy of it, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't be going to be able to get one

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<v Speaker 2>in time for this episode. But you can find various

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<v Speaker 2>examples of selfador Dolly's illustrations from the novel, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>really strange looking, as you might well imagine. There's one

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<v Speaker 2>in particular of this kind of almost mushroom headed looking figure,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's one of these images where you can look

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<v Speaker 2>at it either right side up or upside down. One

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<v Speaker 2>way it's this strange figure, and the other ways it's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly supposed to be the castle from the book.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is the guy's head at the bottom when

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<v Speaker 3>it's upside down?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I's like that part, doesn't I guess

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<v Speaker 2>translate so much into something something different, or does it?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a big potato in a bowl when it's

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<v Speaker 3>upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>M we may have to come back to this figuring

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<v Speaker 2>this out once we get to the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the picture. But anyway, Sandoz has some other works.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote a novel called The House Without Windows, from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty that has a futuristic house in it that

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<v Speaker 2>apparently has a lot of things we just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>take for granted as part of a house these days.

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<v Speaker 2>And he also wrote various plays and short stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, is it time to talk about our Troy McClure

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<v Speaker 3>for this film.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, playing Gerald mcteam. We have Richard Garlson, who lived

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twelve through nineteen seventy seven, actor of stage, screen

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<v Speaker 2>and TV, as well as eventually a director and screenwriter.

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<v Speaker 2>He was an established lead actor in the late thirties

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<v Speaker 2>and early forties, but then, of course, then came World

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<v Speaker 2>War Two. He serves in World War Two in the

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<v Speaker 2>US Navy, and afterwards he has a little harder time

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<v Speaker 2>getting those lead roles again, so he has to turn

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<v Speaker 2>to screenwriting as a way to fill in the gaps.

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<v Speaker 2>And it also meant that he dipped more into sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi in horror films. You know, he'd kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fallen down the ladder. I guess a bit

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<v Speaker 2>in Hollywood. But as is often the case, these might

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<v Speaker 2>not have been necessarily the most sought after projects of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but some of them are the projects that

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<v Speaker 2>stood the test of time, because two of them, in particular,

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<v Speaker 2>were directed by Jack Arnold. Nineteen fifty threes It Came

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<v Speaker 2>from Outer Space and nineteen fifty four's Creature from the

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<v Speaker 2>Black Lagoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, who is he in Creature from the Black Lagoon.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the human guy who's not Richard Dinning.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, he's the human guy who is not the guy

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<v Speaker 3>from Creature with the Adam Brain.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yeah, it seems at times like we're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>navigating our way around Creature from the Black Lagoon. We're

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<v Speaker 2>covering various people involved in it, but not the film itself.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that means we're supposed to stay

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Black Lagoon or if we need to

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<v Speaker 2>venture into it eventually.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see, we did Tarantula, which was that directed by

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Arnold, same I believe, So yeah, okay, same director

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<v Speaker 3>as Creature. Then we did Creature with the Adam Brain,

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<v Speaker 3>which has Denning, though Dick Cutting is not in Creature,

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<v Speaker 3>is it is he?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the one thing Creature needed to really make

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<v Speaker 3>it perfect. It's like a news story segment from Dick Cutting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Rid Richard Carlson is I think he's a scientist, right,

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<v Speaker 2>He's one of the scientists who goes to the Black

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<v Speaker 2>Lagoon and surprise finds the creature from the Black Lagoon

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<v Speaker 2>and then realize, we've got to do something about this creature.

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<v Speaker 3>We got to shoot at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway. Carlson was also in nineteen fifty three Is the

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<v Speaker 2>Magnetic Monster nineteen sixties, Tormented in nineteen sixty Eight's The Power. YEA,

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<v Speaker 2>what can you say? I mean, it's I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>a solid leading performance that you can't help but wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what a weirder character actor might have done in his place,

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<v Speaker 2>given where the plot eventually goes. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to think, I was thought thought on

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<v Speaker 2>this a little bit like I don't even know who

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<v Speaker 2>I would suggest, like the fifties were such a square

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<v Speaker 2>time for so many of these actors, Like who who

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<v Speaker 2>else could they have possibly put right there in the

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<v Speaker 2>starring role in this picture? And someone who had have

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<v Speaker 2>been able to maybe lean into the strangeness of this

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<v Speaker 2>character as we see him for most of the picture.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I was wondering if you were going to say

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<v Speaker 3>it should have been Vincent Price in this role.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess. Yeah, I mean it would have.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been an alteration of the Vincent Price trajectory.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean Price definitely could have done I

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<v Speaker 2>mean Price, and now that I think about it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Price would have been perfect, knowing what we know now,

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<v Speaker 2>because he could do those leading role types to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those square type characters, but has these deep reservoirs of

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<v Speaker 2>weirdness that you know, made him an icon of horrors.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it would have been interesting to see what

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<v Speaker 2>someone like Price could have done with this role.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm in some jokes. I don't mean to rag

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<v Speaker 3>on Carlson too much in this. I think he is

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<v Speaker 3>doing what is asked of him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he does a fine job. You can't really criticize

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<v Speaker 2>anything about his performance, even if with modern sensibilities, especially you,

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<v Speaker 2>or even the sensibilities of later decades, you might wonder

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<v Speaker 2>what else could have been? Yeah, yeah, but really, our

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<v Speaker 2>two lead characters are Kitty Murray and her aunt Edith Murray.

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<v Speaker 3>Our Holmes and Watson of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, Kitty Murray is our Holmes, I guess, or

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<v Speaker 2>she the Watson. I guess it depends how you look

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<v Speaker 2>at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she's the Holmes I think aunt I think

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Aunt Edith is the Watson, okay, because she's the narrator.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, that's true. That's true. Yeah, like Watson. So Kitty

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<v Speaker 2>Murray is played by Veronica Hurst, who lived nineteen thirty

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>one through twenty twenty two British film, stage and television actress.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of her best remembered roles, though she

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<v Speaker 2>also had a role in the nineteen sixties psychological horror

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>film Peeping Tom, as well as a nineteen sixty five

0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Bond knockoff titled Licensed to Kill starring Tom Adams.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what had the Bond Corporation not not trademarked License

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<v Speaker 3>to Kill?

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<v Speaker 2>Yet? I'm not sure this was not a This was

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<v Speaker 2>not a Bond knockoff or like a non canon Bond

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<v Speaker 2>film that I was familiar with. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were very there are things like Operation Kid Brother and

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously in later decades, so it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>or ill guest, maybe this is the same decade. But

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<v Speaker 2>at any rate, Veronica Hurst, I think she's great in this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, beautiful Town. It doesn't feign as much as

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<v Speaker 2>Aunt Edith. You know, this character is not like Ellen

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<v Speaker 2>Ripley or anything, but she's still, you know, highly capable

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<v Speaker 2>and brave and wants to get to the truth of

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<v Speaker 2>the matter.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire plot centers around her being unbelievably pushy. The

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<v Speaker 3>whole movie is just people telling her, no, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>do that, and she's like, shut up, I'm doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and with her the whole time, except when she's fainting.

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<v Speaker 2>Is Aunt Edith played by Catherine Emery lived nineteen oh

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>six through nineteen eighty. She acted in the nineteen forty

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:11.240
<v Speaker 2>five Boris Karloff film Isle of the Dead, various other pictures.

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:14.359
<v Speaker 2>This was her final film. However, I like her. She's

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<v Speaker 2>the furrowed eyebrow of the film. She's there to be,

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Kitty comes and tells her, Oh, Aunt Edith,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.719
<v Speaker 2>I found a secret passageway that's full of killer bats.

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, come with me, We'll go up the stairs,

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 2>and and Edith's like, no, I would prefer not to.

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to bed. Yeah. So for

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<v Speaker 2>most of the film, these are our two investigators and

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the creepy castle. Now, you can't have a creepy castle,

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>especially in a gothic film like this, without like some

0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 2>sort of authority figure saying no, you cannot go into

0:27:43.800 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 2>that part of the house. You should not go into

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>the maze.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not permitted, right.

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And that character is William played by Michael Pate who

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen twenty through two thousand and eight, an Australian actor,

0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:00.840
<v Speaker 2>writer and director who if you look at you may

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>recognize his face. He has a very distinct face, a

0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>unique look to go along with his talent. He's a

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 2>guy who played a lot of heavies in his time.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 2>You see him pop up in a lot of Westerns

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>and so forth. But he moved from Australia and from

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Australian film to Hollywood in the fifties and then in

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the sixties. He's still working there, but eventually moved back

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to Australia in sixty eight, and that I think ultimately

0:28:23.520 --> 0:28:25.679
<v Speaker 2>seemed to position him well to then get involved in

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:29.119
<v Speaker 2>various Australian film scene projects that were taking place in

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the seventies and eighties. So on the Hollywood side of things,

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you'll find him in nineteen fifty three's Julius Caesar, fifty

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 2>three's Hondo. He pops up in Roger Corman's Tower of

0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 2>London in nineteen sixty two, but in his later career

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>in Australia, he appears in several Phelipe Mora films, including

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy six is Mad Dog Morgan, nineteen eighty three's

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>The Return of Captain Invisible, and of course nineteen eighty

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>seven's Howling three the Marsupials, in which he plays the

0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 2>President of the United States who's briefed about the dangers

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>of were wolves.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.040
<v Speaker 3>Why does he play the president because.

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>The president needs to be briefed about the dangers of

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<v Speaker 2>were wolves? Okay in Australia. I guess I've seen this film,

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:14.760
<v Speaker 2>but it has been a little bit. It's a pretty

0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy picture.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I have seen it as well. It's been many years.

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I recall all of the Howling sequels being

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<v Speaker 3>extremely unusual.

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's like one that's a carnival and the Carnivals.

0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>The other one that stands out in my mind. I

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's that's probably like four or five

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<v Speaker 2>or something.

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's been a long time, but I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>them all. I like, I got into the ones that

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<v Speaker 3>are shot on video, like the Howling seven, which I

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 3>think is in the American Southwest.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I don't think I made it that far,

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 2>but it sounds promising.

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.680
<v Speaker 3>There are some beards and some cowboy hats.

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<v Speaker 2>Well in this one, he's William the creepy Butler, and youah,

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>he delivers all the creeps shades of I think Boris

0:29:56.200 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Karloff in his sort of physical appearance and demeanor here.

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 3>I agree Boris Karloff. Also, William looks in physical appearance.

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:10.160
<v Speaker 3>He looks very frosted. He's like a frosted flake with

0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 3>a sugar coating.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.280
<v Speaker 3>His hair in his face. I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 3>literally some kind of makeup they applied to his eyebrows

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:18.440
<v Speaker 3>and his hair and stuff.

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>But Lerchian, you might say, yes, yes, all right. A

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 2>couple of just supporting characters here, because we've really hit

0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the main ones. But Hillary Brook shows up playing Peggy Lord.

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>She lived nineteen fourteen through nineteen ninety nine, American actor,

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:36.640
<v Speaker 2>noted for roles in such films as nineteen forty six

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 2>as The Strange Woman. That one starred Hetty Lamar. Supporting

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 2>role she's a nineteen forty nine body hold, which it's

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 2>a very alluring title, but it's apparently just a standard

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 2>pro wrestling crime picture. But it has Henry Kulk from

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Tobor in it Oh, who.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 3>Played the communist car mechanic who ends up having to

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 3>fight the robot.

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, he ends up bumping for the robot. Yeah yeah.

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Brooke was also in nineteen fifty six is the Man

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Who Knew Too Much. That's the Hitchcock film, another supporting role.

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Other pictures include fifty one's Lost Continent and Invaders from Mars.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Now we have this character that shows up, Richard Roeblar.

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I had to check that doesn't spell robot backwards. This

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>just spells what ralbor, which is not boar. Yeah, but anyway.

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>He lived nineteen twenty through nineteen eighty nine. I mainly

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>bring him up because we mentioned him previously in our

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Perana Mandir episode. Because he plays an undead, beheaded warlock

0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.720
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty eight's The Thing That Wouldn't Die. His

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>other credits include fifty four stal In for Murder and

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifty six sci fi fantasy epic The Mole People.

0:31:40.800 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 3>Who is this? This is Richard Carlson's friend who's hanging

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 3>out with them at the beginning and then later comes

0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 3>back to make martinis at the castle.

0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. His whole thing is just seems to be rather

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 2>chaotically making martinis, where he's like he's just whipping them

0:31:53.440 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>up and like here you go, and they're like someone's

0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 2>like this is this is terrible. He's like, I'll get

0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>you on the next one. Like how many martinis are

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 2>we hoping to? I have this evening to get to

0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the right one. Richard use a recipe.

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.640
<v Speaker 3>I think at one point he I assume he's making

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 3>a joke, but he says he used a twenty seven

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 3>to one ratio, which I assume that means twenty seven

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 3>parts gin to one part vermouth. Cute.

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Cute. Yes, all right, I'm going to skip over the

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>rest of the human actors here we fit some of

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the main points. The music is by Marlon Skiles, who

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen o six through nineteen eighty one American pianist, ranger,

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and composer. His scores include forty seven's Dead Reckoning, fifty

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>seven's The Giant Claw, which we've provously mentioned That's the

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Giant Bird movie, fifty eight's Queen of Outer Space, and

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>numerous westerns with some sci fi and horror sprinkled in.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Some of his score work appears in twenty seventeen's The

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Shape of Water. This particular score is everything he'd expect

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 2>from a nineteen fifty three movie, So nothing special, but

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>it does its job.

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:54.720
<v Speaker 3>There were a couple of parts I was a little

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 3>surprised by because they were more melodic than I expected.

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 3>So when you see movies like this, I'd say the

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 3>score is usually very kind of moody doodling. It doesn't

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.160
<v Speaker 3>come out with a tune that you could walk away

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 3>humming to yourself. But there actually were a couple of

0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 3>moments in this film that had a very clear and

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 3>strong melody. Like there was a part where they're first

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 3>getting put into their bedrooms at the castle that suddenly

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 3>playing a melody that sounds kind of like a Scottish

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:23.080
<v Speaker 3>folk song.

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that's fitting. Maybe this one wasn't just completely

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 2>cranked out.

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 3>Then maybe are you ready to talk about the plot?

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Let's venture into the plot.

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.320
<v Speaker 3>Now, Wait a minute, is this the part where we

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 3>should tell people if you really don't want to have

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 3>the ending spoiled for you, maybe you should watch the

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 3>movie and come back.

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>I think so. Yes. After this point all spoilers are valid.

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>We may skip ahead and spoil something we may explain

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>of some teas that they roll out and go ahead,

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>just boil what that tease is alluding to. So this

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>is the point to break off, go see it if

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to see it, and come back afterwards.

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 3>Wait did we not even mention before that? In the trailer?

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Richard Carlson is like, please don't tell your friends. The

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 3>ending will yeah ruin everything.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 2>That's great. Yeah, I wish they would do more than

0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>most trailers are, just like, we're gonna gohead and spoil everything.

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.879
<v Speaker 3>Actually, yeah, here's the ending. Yeah, but anyway, Okay, So

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:27.960
<v Speaker 3>at the beginning, the movie opens with an overhead shot

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 3>of a hedge maze and ominous music and sound of

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 3>whispering wind, and then it fades to the gate at

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.400
<v Speaker 3>the entrance of the mace, which is a heavy wooden

0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 3>door that says keep out.

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 2>And I'm assuming this is all three D at this point,

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>so already like we're putting the viewer in the experience

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of passing through a gate through a door that says

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 2>keep out, Like that's this is this is like watching

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 2>that train. You don't come at the screen.

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.439
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, And the way the camera dollies to push through

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.400
<v Speaker 3>the door, I sort of feel like we're about to

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:01.959
<v Speaker 3>start a movie on the satellite of love.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good. Yeah, going through the various doors movie sign.

0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 3>But of course we see, you know, the three D titles.

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 3>So like the Maze comes out with deep three D

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:15.400
<v Speaker 3>lettering that's supposed to launch out of the screen. We

0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 3>see the blocks of the letters like hit a vanishing

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 3>point in the background, and the action begins with an

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 3>establishing shot of a lonesome gray castle surrounded by mist,

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.120
<v Speaker 3>with light up in a single window in the turret,

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 3>and a man throws open the window and calls out

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:36.160
<v Speaker 3>to the outside. He calls out Robert, Robert. Another man

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 3>comes running from the grounds below, and then the two

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 3>men these are servants of the castle, Robert and William.

0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>They meet and the first one tells the second it's happened,

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 3>and they go up to the tower to investigate, and

0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 3>there we see in silhouette the figure of a man

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.560
<v Speaker 3>slumped motionless in a high back chair, as if dead.

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 3>And they agree that one of them will go to

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 3>the village and find the doctor, and the other one

0:35:59.520 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 3>will get in contact with mister Gerald. And then WHOA

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 3>something I did not expect at all. We cut suddenly

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 3>to the first of multiple testimonials from Aunt Edith, and

0:36:12.440 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 3>I was not prepared for this. I think it's because

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:19.080
<v Speaker 3>the movie did not start with voiceover narration or any

0:36:19.120 --> 0:36:22.799
<v Speaker 3>direct address to the audience. But suddenly, several minutes in,

0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>here's somebody's aunt staring right into your eyes, looking into

0:36:27.040 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 3>the camera and saying, I suppose that was the beginning.

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this really caught me off guard as well. It's

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of alarming, not only due to the fact that

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 2>here's the narrator coming in after the film's already started.

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>She's breaking the fourth wall, but at least in the

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 2>version I was watching, the whole scene was also framed

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:46.240
<v Speaker 2>really strangely. Yeah.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh, it's totally like that sometime. Well, so different

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 3>Aunt Edith interrogation scenes are framed differently, but in some

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.560
<v Speaker 3>of them she is not centered vertically in the shot,

0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 3>like she's shot from the shoulders up or from the

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:05.279
<v Speaker 3>waist up, but only fills like the bottom third or

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 3>bottom half of the frame, and the rest of the

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 3>frame is just reserved for the ceiling, Like here's the

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 3>wall and the ceiling and where they meet, and she's

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.280
<v Speaker 3>down there at the bottom of the screen, just looking

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:16.960
<v Speaker 3>right at you.

0:37:17.360 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find any answers regarding this, but based on

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 2>my limited experience, this feels very unninsies and it makes

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.279
<v Speaker 2>me wonder if this was like added in post, if

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>this was whatever amounted to like test audiences of the

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>day saying we're confused. Yeah that Aunt Edith, bring her

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in and have her explain what's happening in the.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Picture, right, I did not understand the film. I need

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Aunt Edith to look me in the eye and tell

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 3>me what's going on. But so anyways, she says, so

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.520
<v Speaker 3>her first narration is I suppose that was the beginning.

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 3>It occurred in Scotland, in a remote and distant castle

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 3>in the Highlands, and yet it started the fantastic chain

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 3>of events which led to my experience in the maze.

0:37:57.120 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 3>It was just a year ago. So now she situating

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:05.200
<v Speaker 3>herself in time as she's doing these narration shots. I

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:07.879
<v Speaker 3>don't know why that's necessary. It was just a year ago.

0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 3>My niece Kitty and I were with a group of

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 3>friends in a delightful little cafe in Cohn on the

0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 3>French Riviera. It was an engagement party and hey, here's

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:20.800
<v Speaker 3>something similar to the other horror movie from nineteen fifty

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 3>three presented in three D that we watched. Remember how

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 3>in House of Wax the movie managed to work in

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 3>not only a full length paddleball show, but like a

0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 3>phalanx of three D lady legs courtesy of an extended

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 3>can Can dance number in the middle of the movie.

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.439
<v Speaker 3>I think the context was like this was in House

0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 3>of Wax. Like the main character's boyfriend tells her, Oh,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 3>you're upset about your friend being murdered and turned into wax.

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 3>You need to get your mind off things. Let's go

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 3>watch the Ziegfield Girls.

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's go to a Bless show. And then to

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 2>be clear, Burless can have healing attributes that can can

0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>heal the weathered soul. Sure, but also get some leg

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 2>kicks out there. It's a great way to show off

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:08.600
<v Speaker 2>your three D technology.

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.919
<v Speaker 3>There you go. Well, this movie also decided to show

0:39:12.000 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 3>us a full dance number, and I assume in three

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 3>D this would have been even more thrilling. But I

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 3>have to say that this is a horror film, but

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 3>I didn't. I don't think they meant for this number

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.839
<v Speaker 3>to be as horrifying as it was. I was genuinely

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 3>worried for the safety of the woman in the scene.

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 3>So I have a question for people out there with

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 3>knowledge about dance. I don't know what you call this move,

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 3>but there were two male dancers and one female dancer

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.960
<v Speaker 3>and the lady between them. Like the two guys suspended

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.959
<v Speaker 3>her between them by each taking hold of one arm

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:51.800
<v Speaker 3>and one leg, and then they swung her whole body

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 3>back and forth in a wild pendulum motion, like they

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 3>turned her into the pirate ship carnival ride, and it

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 3>looked like she was just inches from hitting the floor

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.880
<v Speaker 3>face first, and they were swinging her so hard it

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 3>looked like if she actually did hit the floor, it

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.319
<v Speaker 3>would definitely kill her, or at least like really injure her. So,

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.320
<v Speaker 3>people with dance knowledge, is this a normal move? It

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 3>looks so dangerous to me.

0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very impressive. And then there's this bit where

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 2>she grabs a drink off of the table. Oh yeah,

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was rather clever.

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's very good. I mean, I'm impressed by the

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 3>talent of the dancers in this scene, but I think

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>it's because she's moving so fast and the fact that

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 3>they're holding her each by one arm means that if

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 3>she were to fall, like, she wouldn't be able to

0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:42.680
<v Speaker 3>like reach up and protect her face with her arms.

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:44.920
<v Speaker 3>It would just be face plant into the floor at

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 3>full speed. Sorry to dwell on this, but it really

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 3>freaked me out.

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 2>It's an impressive dance number, But so.

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:54.440
<v Speaker 3>You mentioned the part where she grabs a drink off

0:40:54.440 --> 0:40:57.239
<v Speaker 3>a table. So the dancer at one point in the

0:40:57.320 --> 0:41:00.640
<v Speaker 3>number is like carried over to a particular table the audience,

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>and she kind of like winks at a guy. And

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>the guy she winks at is Richard Carlson playing Gerald mcteam,

0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 3>one of our protagonists. So there are four people at

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the table. You got Gerald, You got his fiance Kitty,

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.160
<v Speaker 3>played by Veronica Hurst, and Gerald and Kitty do some

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:22.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of insufferable engagement banter, like Kitty is playfully jealous

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>of Gerald making eye contact with the dancer and so forth.

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Then you got Aunt Edith. That's Kitty's Aunt Edith, played

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 3>by Catherine Emery. When we meet her, she already appears

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 3>to be full of questions and doubts. And then you

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 3>got Gerald's friend, Richard, who takes Kitty dancing while Gerald

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 3>narrates some backstory to Aunt Edith. So when you first

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.239
<v Speaker 3>meet him, Kitty says, aunt Edith, did you see the

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 3>way that girl was making eyes at my fiance? It

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 3>makes me worry about what he'd be doing if I

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.719
<v Speaker 3>weren't here. And then Gerald says, I would probably be

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:53.960
<v Speaker 3>out looking for you, just as I've been doing my

0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 3>entire life. And then Kitty says, see why I'm marrying him,

0:41:57.880 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 3>aunt Edith, he always says the right thing. Then aunt

0:42:01.200 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 3>Edith rather slyly says, I've always mistrusted glibmh. I would say,

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 3>good instincts, aunt Edith, general life rule, at least in

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 3>my opinion, be on guard against people who always know

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.719
<v Speaker 3>the right thing to say in any situation. You know,

0:42:14.840 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 3>that could be a red flag. They're just too comfortable

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:18.759
<v Speaker 3>saying things they don't mean.

0:42:19.400 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 2>This is definitely a point in the film where you

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>might ask yourself, do I really want to watch another

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 2>hour of this?

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 4>Right?

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:29.960
<v Speaker 2>But trust us, you want to push through because the

0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Gothic horror is going to kick in eventually.

0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 3>It will. Yeah, we're stuck in the French riviera right now,

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 3>but it will get weirder. So yeah, so they're talking

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:41.400
<v Speaker 3>about glibmn aunt Edith is like Okay, Gerald's about to

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:45.320
<v Speaker 3>become my Would it be her nephew in law? I guess,

0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 3>and she's like, you know, I don't like glib men,

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 3>but I'll make an exception in this case. So Gerald's

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.959
<v Speaker 3>friend Richard takes Kitty dancing, and then Gerald and Aunt

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Edith get a chance to chat, and Aunt Edith wants

0:42:57.520 --> 0:43:00.719
<v Speaker 3>to know if Gerald's uncle Samuel will be coming to

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 3>the wedding. Gerald says, oh, no, no, there's no reason

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 3>he'd be there. He's kept himself locked up in that

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 3>miserable Craven Castle for decades or I don't know, not decades.

0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I think.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 3>He just says years. Yeah, that makes sense, because I

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 3>don't know how long a baronet actually lasts in that castle.

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 3>And then Aunt Edith says she has heard the Craven

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:25.280
<v Speaker 3>Castle is a beautiful place, but Gerald knows better. He says, well,

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.240
<v Speaker 3>it might be beautiful from a distance, but I spent

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 3>time there as a young man and it was a stern, unhappy,

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 3>unsettling place. The castle has never had any modern improvements,

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>so it has no telephone, no electricity, no central heating,

0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:43.040
<v Speaker 3>and he also says that there were weird rules when

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.600
<v Speaker 3>he lived there. Like he had to be locked inside

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 3>his bedroom at night and there was a maze outside

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 3>with a padlock on the door, and he was forbidden

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:52.640
<v Speaker 3>to go into it.

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.239
<v Speaker 2>He said. The one good thing though, no flies, No

0:43:55.320 --> 0:43:57.719
<v Speaker 2>flies at all. I don't know what was up. Saw

0:43:57.760 --> 0:43:58.279
<v Speaker 2>a single fly?

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, very good. Gerald says that every Scottish castle at

0:44:04.320 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 3>one point had a maze, but most of them have

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 3>had their mazes removed. The only the one at Craven

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Castle has left, and I was wondering is that true

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:17.120
<v Speaker 3>it was actually common for Scottish castles to have a

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:18.879
<v Speaker 3>hedge maze. I've never heard of that.

0:44:19.280 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure. It's been a while since I

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>covered any maze or labyrinth content on the show. We

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 2>might have to revisit that topic in the future because

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it gets pretty interesting. But as I recall, hedge mazes

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.880
<v Speaker 2>were especially a thing in the Renaissance, and I know

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 2>there at least were some notable hedge mazes in Scotland.

0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I think there's one notable hedge maze remaining. What is

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 2>this Trequar House? I think I put up a picture

0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:47.120
<v Speaker 2>of the maze here for you, Joe. Looks pretty impressive.

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 2>There might be some sort of a gothic horror creeping

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:50.959
<v Speaker 2>around in there for all I can tell.

0:44:51.200 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Sure. Yeah.

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 3>By the way, I don't get the impression that there

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:58.440
<v Speaker 3>was a full size maze built for this film. I

0:44:58.480 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 3>could be wrong, but I think when we see it

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 3>from above, it's probably a model. And then when we

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 3>actually have the scenes in it, I don't get the

0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 3>impression that they have more than just like a you know,

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 3>a couple of turns to work with and they're just

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:13.839
<v Speaker 3>shooting those over and over. But again I could be wrong.

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I think this is just a look. Yeah, they shot

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 2>this all in Hollywood, right, yeah.

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, anyway, after this, Gerald and Kitty go dancing and

0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 3>they're you know, they're very happy, blissful, they're in love

0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 3>and they're gonna get married and oh that's so sweet.

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 3>And then suddenly cut to another Aunt Edith scene. She's

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 3>looking in the camera again. This was the first one

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 3>for me where she's weirdly stuck in the bottom of

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.840
<v Speaker 3>the frame and the top half is just the wall

0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 3>and the ceiling, and she says Gerald's words about Craven

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 3>Castle and the mcteam family worried me, not only what

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 3>he said, but something he neglected to say that none

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 3>of the baronets lived more than a few years after

0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 3>inheriting the title, and Gerald was the next in line.

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 3>The next day, which was bright with summer sunshine, did

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 3>much to dispel my worries of the night before. And

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 3>then we cut to a pool party, and I'll abbreviate

0:46:05.760 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 3>here and do a bit of a recap. So at

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.359
<v Speaker 3>the pool party, I guess again, I guess they're still

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the French Riviera. Gerald receives a letter from Craven Castle

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 3>from William, his uncle's butler. It's urgent and he must

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:21.759
<v Speaker 3>come to Craven immediately. He resists at first, He's like,

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 3>I barely knew my uncle. I don't know why I

0:46:24.120 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 3>would be summoned. I'm getting married to Kitty in a

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks, so there's no reason for me to go.

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 3>But then Kitty convinces him that he should go if

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 3>he's needed, and she reasons that this will all be

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:37.280
<v Speaker 3>for the best because while he's away in the land

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 3>of wind and ghosts, she and Aunt Edith can go

0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:43.000
<v Speaker 3>shopping for clothes without worrying that Gerald is looking at

0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>French women. So he goes, and then Kitty and Aunt

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Edith just hang around. They hang out at the French

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.479
<v Speaker 3>Rivieria waiting to hear back from him, but they never do.

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.600
<v Speaker 3>They send letters and he doesn't write back, and then

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 3>they read an article in the newspaper announcing that Sir

0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Samuel mcteam, the Baron of craven Castle, has died. What

0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 3>newspaper this is? I'm kind of curious, like, what are

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:08.880
<v Speaker 3>they getting in France that has obituaries for minor Scottish nobles.

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:12.400
<v Speaker 2>He's just you know, the fancy folk page and the

0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:13.839
<v Speaker 2>paper just telling you what's up with the.

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Nobles peerage times.

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but this is concerning Gerald's not writing back about

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:20.279
<v Speaker 2>any of.

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.440
<v Speaker 3>This, right, So anyway, Finally Gerald sends a letter not

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.640
<v Speaker 3>to Kitty but to aunt Edith, telling her that he

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 3>can no longer marry Kitty and she is released from

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:33.200
<v Speaker 3>their engagement. And then there's a line in the letter

0:47:33.280 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 3>that Gerald has scratched out in pencil, and Kitty manages,

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:39.600
<v Speaker 3>she does a sort of Sherlock Holmes trick, like she

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.720
<v Speaker 3>manages to get rid of his scratch marks and see

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:47.239
<v Speaker 3>what he originally wrote underneath. And he originally said that

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:51.320
<v Speaker 3>he could never return to her, though he would wish

0:47:51.400 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 3>that he could, but he shan't wish it, for to

0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 3>do so would be to wish for a death. What

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 3>could he be talking about? So Kitty decides she and

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 3>and Edith have to go to Craven Castle to find

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 3>out what's going on. And Edith is like, no in

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 3>Kitty's like, we're going.

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 2>All right, but now we're off to the races. Now

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 2>we're headed to the spooky castle.

0:48:11.000 --> 0:48:13.759
<v Speaker 3>That's right, So Kitty and Aunt Edith. Next thing, they're

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:18.160
<v Speaker 3>at Craven which might as well be Castle Braun, Transylvania.

0:48:20.160 --> 0:48:23.960
<v Speaker 3>You've got foul mist swirling, You've got dead black skeletons

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 3>of leafless trees just twisting over the pathway to the castle.

0:48:27.600 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 3>You got an iron gate that looks like it used

0:48:29.840 --> 0:48:33.279
<v Speaker 3>to belong to Vlad the Impaler. The cab driver who

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 3>brought them to the castle drives off in terror without

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 3>even helping them with their bags. It's a spooky place.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all the expected Gothic castle notes here.

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 3>So Kitty and Edith go to the door where they

0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:49.319
<v Speaker 3>are greeted by the butler, William. And William, as we've said,

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 3>is very serious and severe, and he has this frosted look.

0:48:53.800 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 3>He almost seems kind of frozen in time. He speaks

0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 3>very slowly, he kind of walks slowly, and yeah, he

0:49:01.320 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 3>just seems like he is all business and that business

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 3>involves some kind of evil magic. So William tries to

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 3>send them away, but Kitty is extremely pushy. So William says,

0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Sir Gerald is indisposed, and Kitty says, well, we're indisposed

0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:18.560
<v Speaker 3>standing here in this fog, and then just barges in

0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:21.680
<v Speaker 3>through the door. Kitty is very assertive, will not take

0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 3>no for an answer. It's a recurring theme. So Gerald

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.800
<v Speaker 3>comes down finally reluctantly to meet them, but when Kitty

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 3>sees her fiance, she sees that he has changed the

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>debonair young man who is dancing in the ballroom just

0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks before and now has gray wings in

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 3>his hair like Polly Walnuts, and he looks his skin

0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:44.920
<v Speaker 3>looks dry, and he just looks thoroughly aged. He is

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 3>shocked and unhappy to see Kitty, and he also tells

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.520
<v Speaker 3>them that they must leave at once, but Kitty again,

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 3>she insists on staying. She's like, nope, show us to

0:49:54.239 --> 0:49:57.480
<v Speaker 3>our rooms. So Gerald has the butlers take them to

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:01.120
<v Speaker 3>a suite of adjoining bedrooms, and we and that accommodations

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:04.960
<v Speaker 3>in the castle are harsh. It's cold, as he said earlier,

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:09.400
<v Speaker 3>there's no electricity, old furnishings, windows are sealed up with bricks,

0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:13.400
<v Speaker 3>and the servants lock the two women in their bedrooms

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 3>during the night.

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is the second time we at least that

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 2>we've heard about this, that this is a castle where

0:50:19.080 --> 0:50:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you are locked into your bedroom at night. The idea

0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:25.560
<v Speaker 2>it seems that there's something out there at night that

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.160
<v Speaker 2>you need to be locked away from.

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:30.200
<v Speaker 3>And for some reason, aunt Edith waits until after they're

0:50:30.239 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 3>locked into their bedrooms to tell Kitty about this, Like

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 3>she already knew right that Gerald explained it to her

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 3>earlier that there are rules in the castle. You're locked

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.399
<v Speaker 3>in your bedroom at night, can't enter the maze, and

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 3>the staircase to the tower is off limits. She so

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.239
<v Speaker 3>in this scene she's like, oh, yeah, Kitty, these are

0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:47.800
<v Speaker 3>the rules.

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, she knows, and aunt Edith is a is a

0:50:50.239 --> 0:50:53.279
<v Speaker 2>real rule follower. She's the sort that will appreciate a

0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 2>long list of weird rules, whereas Kitty is liable to

0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:00.920
<v Speaker 2>just instantly rebel and ask questions about why we're doing this.

0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:05.360
<v Speaker 3>That's a good point. Somewhere in here, there's a scene

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 3>where William and Gerald are talking in low tones and

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.480
<v Speaker 3>they discussed the fact that a woman who was hired

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:14.680
<v Speaker 3>to do some cleaning at the castle last week has died,

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 3>apparently of heart failure, and Gerald says that they must

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 3>be more vigilant about making sure that no one is

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:24.120
<v Speaker 3>allowed into the maze. So it seems they're troubled by this,

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 3>but they're also trying to keep a secret. Somehow this

0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 3>woman died and it was connected to her going into

0:51:29.600 --> 0:51:32.960
<v Speaker 3>the maze against their wishes. Maybe she was cleaning inside

0:51:32.960 --> 0:51:35.520
<v Speaker 3>the maze. Does it get dirty in there?

0:51:37.040 --> 0:51:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think we'll find out, yes, it does.

0:51:49.280 --> 0:51:52.840
<v Speaker 3>So in the night, Kitty hears some sort of weird

0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:56.279
<v Speaker 3>scuttling sound out in the hallway, and she sees shadows

0:51:56.320 --> 0:51:59.040
<v Speaker 3>passing underneath the door to her room, and then she

0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 3>discovers a secret passageway hidden behind behind like a what

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 3>do you call it? Like a sort of textile hanging

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.520
<v Speaker 3>over the wall that has designs on it.

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Is that a tapestry? Tapestry?

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 3>So she finds a secret passageway hidden behind that, she

0:52:14.800 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 3>enters it and it leads to a stairway guarded by bats,

0:52:18.800 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 3>and I think I want to do a brief digression

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 3>on why do is that bat effects in older horror

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 3>movies are always funny to me? I think there are

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 3>some funny bats, even in Todd Browning's Dracula, but it

0:52:32.320 --> 0:52:34.840
<v Speaker 3>goes to way more recent movies than that, like in

0:52:34.880 --> 0:52:39.320
<v Speaker 3>the seventies movies with otherwise excellent effects. The bat scene

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:43.240
<v Speaker 3>in Suspiria is so funny it always makes me laugh.

0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Why is it so hard to make a bat look

0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 3>like anything other than a ball of socks on a string.

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:51.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but yeah, you do see it a lot.

0:52:52.160 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>There are some pretty ridiculous bats in Santo and the

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:56.359
<v Speaker 2>Treasure of Dracula, as I recall.

0:52:56.200 --> 0:52:59.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. So after making it through the staircase of bat,

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 3>Kitty goes as she looks out a window and she

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 3>sees a light in the maize below. Someone is moving

0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 3>around in the maze at midnight. So Kitty tries to

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 3>go get aunt Edith as she's like, Aunt Edith, wake up.

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 3>We got to go up the secret passageway, but aunti

0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Edith would prefer not to.

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.919
<v Speaker 2>And this is a solid note in the mystery. I think,

0:53:18.960 --> 0:53:22.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, it looks effective too, Like you can't make

0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.879
<v Speaker 2>out what's carrying the light, but you can tell there's

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 2>something or somebody down there in this forbidden place at night,

0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and so it's intrigued.

0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 3>I agree, it's very cool. It's spooky looking. So the

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:38.080
<v Speaker 3>next morning we get this scheming scene where Kitty plans

0:53:38.120 --> 0:53:40.200
<v Speaker 3>to say that they can't leave the castle now because

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:43.399
<v Speaker 3>Aunt Edith has a cold, And then on her way

0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 3>to the dining room for breakfast, Kitty snoops around the

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 3>stairs up to the tower and she sees strangely shaped

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.280
<v Speaker 3>patches of slime on the floor.

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.799
<v Speaker 2>Now we'll say they are strangely shaped because they are

0:53:55.840 --> 0:54:00.240
<v Speaker 2>shaped like creature feet. Yeah, and this is where I'm

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 2>not gonna I mean, you know, all spoilers are fair

0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 2>game at this point, but I went into this film

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>knowing more specifically what the spoiler would be, and so

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.719
<v Speaker 2>this was also one of those moments where I was

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:15.200
<v Speaker 2>having to guess, like, well, what is the intended viewer

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the unspoiled viewer supposed to begin to think at this point,

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:23.920
<v Speaker 2>like what sort of theory are they putting together regarding

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>this creepy old castle and the hideous secret a monster

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 2>comes out at night.

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's a good question. It seems like

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I can't really imagine what sort of ending it's driving

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:35.719
<v Speaker 3>toward other than the one we get.

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I guess it comes down to if there is

0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a monster, what or who is the monster and how

0:54:41.320 --> 0:54:44.399
<v Speaker 2>does it factor into the plot? Like, I think one

0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:46.960
<v Speaker 2>potential theory you could start getting because they're very concerned

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:49.760
<v Speaker 2>about Gerald. They're increasingly concerned about Gerald and his health,

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and so you might think, well, hey, maybe this is

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>some sort of like werewolf situation or Jeckyll and Hyde situation.

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he is turning into a monster.

0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that makes sense. Yeah, you can think it

0:55:00.680 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 3>is Gerald himself. And regarding the health thing, at some point,

0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Kitty tries to get William to send for a doctor

0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.640
<v Speaker 3>to figure out why Gerald appears to have aged twenty

0:55:10.719 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 3>years in a few weeks, and William says, no, we

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.600
<v Speaker 3>are perfectly capable of taking care of Sir Gerald ourselves.

0:55:17.360 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 3>So Kitty starts scheming again and she comes up with

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.680
<v Speaker 3>a plan. Her plan is to make Gerald see a

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 3>doctor quote whether he wants to or not, And her

0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 3>plan is that they're going to send a letter to

0:55:30.200 --> 0:55:33.600
<v Speaker 3>invite some friends to join them at the castle for

0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 3>a holiday. And the group of friends they're going to

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 3>invite includes a friend named Bert Dilling who happens to

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 3>be a doctor. And then that's going to get him

0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:44.320
<v Speaker 3>a secret doctor visit.

0:55:45.040 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Brilliant. She's going to use the laws of hospitality against him.

0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is smart. Yeah, make sure you ask for

0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:55.799
<v Speaker 3>some bread and salt. So Kitty goes out looking for

0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:57.880
<v Speaker 3>She writes a letter. She goes out looking for a

0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 3>way to put it in the post and ends up

0:56:00.400 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 3>wandering past the maze. Oh and while she's there, she

0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.160
<v Speaker 3>meets a groundskeeper and hands the letter off for him

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:09.239
<v Speaker 3>to post it for her, which he actually does. You

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:10.799
<v Speaker 3>don't know if he's going to do that. But the

0:56:10.800 --> 0:56:13.840
<v Speaker 3>groundskeeper is apparently the Torgo of Craven Castle.

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, you're gonna want a creepy groundskeeper in

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 2>the mix as well.

0:56:18.200 --> 0:56:20.400
<v Speaker 3>So he warns her not to go into the maze,

0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 3>which of course she then does, and she finds more

0:56:23.640 --> 0:56:26.799
<v Speaker 3>odd footprints in the same shape as the slime she

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:31.400
<v Speaker 3>saw on the staircase. And then Gerald catches Kitty snooping

0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.120
<v Speaker 3>in the maze. I guess he's already in there for

0:56:33.160 --> 0:56:35.560
<v Speaker 3>some reason and he grabs her roughly by the arm

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:37.759
<v Speaker 3>and he commands her to get out and never come

0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:38.760
<v Speaker 3>back to the maze.

0:56:39.000 --> 0:56:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So at this point we know there's some serious

0:56:40.840 --> 0:56:45.719
<v Speaker 2>maze mischief going on. Gerald is highly involved in all

0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 2>of it, like he's he knows what's up, whatever's up,

0:56:48.960 --> 0:56:52.680
<v Speaker 2>and he is just not telling them. There's some there's

0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 2>a communication gap here between these two would be lovers,

0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.360
<v Speaker 2>and I guess they're not engaged anymore at this point,

0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 2>but you know, clearly Kitty Kitty wants things back together,

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:06.839
<v Speaker 2>but they're just not talking about whatever this is it's

0:57:06.920 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 2>going on here.

0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 3>I think they're not in agreement about whether they're engaged

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 3>su or not. He thinks they or not and she

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:13.319
<v Speaker 3>thinks they are.

0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean he won't talk about what the

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 2>problem is. I mean basically it comes down. It does

0:57:18.480 --> 0:57:21.720
<v Speaker 2>come down of communication. He's like, he's like, there's a problem.

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 2>We can't get married anymore. And she's like, let's talk

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 2>about the problem. Tell me what the problem is, and

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>he says, no, you should leave right.

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:34.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she wants to understand Gerald's disgusting May's crimes. Yes,

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.760
<v Speaker 3>But then later Aunt Edith is quite rightfully infuriated to

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 3>hear that the Gerald has been rough with Kitty, and

0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:43.640
<v Speaker 3>she wants to go give him a piece of her mind.

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 3>So she sneaks up the stairs to the tower, I guess,

0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:48.960
<v Speaker 3>because she thinks Gerald will be up there. But then

0:57:49.000 --> 0:57:51.120
<v Speaker 3>once she reaches the room at the top of the tower,

0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:55.920
<v Speaker 3>she hears a scuttling sound and sees what other ways

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:59.080
<v Speaker 3>this like? She sees a toad butt, she sees the

0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:02.840
<v Speaker 3>back end of a giant frog disappearing into a secret passageway,

0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:06.720
<v Speaker 3>and she screams and faints. Now, maybe the filmmakers thought

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.880
<v Speaker 3>that you could preserve the ending because this goes by

0:58:09.920 --> 0:58:12.920
<v Speaker 3>really fast, I guess, and you couldn't really maybe you

0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.320
<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have time to understand what you're looking at. But

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:17.280
<v Speaker 3>it does look like just the back end of a

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:18.680
<v Speaker 3>gigantic toad or frog.

0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, knowing what we knew going into this, like this

0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.160
<v Speaker 2>is clearly the back half of the monster. You just

0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:28.760
<v Speaker 2>revealed half of the monster minsies And I don't know.

0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:31.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's shot really well, and the monster suit

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:35.480
<v Speaker 2>in question, I think is really good. Yeah, we just

0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.680
<v Speaker 2>perhaps see too much of it too early to maintain

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:41.919
<v Speaker 2>the mystery. But then again, I'm put in that weird

0:58:41.960 --> 0:58:45.440
<v Speaker 2>position again of like trying to figure out what a

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.880
<v Speaker 2>fresh viewer would make of this information.

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:52.320
<v Speaker 3>At this point, I guess, yeah, to be charitable, you

0:58:52.320 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 3>could say maybe they would. They would just think, well,

0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:58.040
<v Speaker 3>I saw something weird, and that's what. And Edith says

0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:01.080
<v Speaker 3>that Gerald like finds her. Shets on the floor, Gerald

0:59:01.120 --> 0:59:03.960
<v Speaker 3>finds her, brings her back to her bedroom, and she's like,

0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:06.720
<v Speaker 3>in your room, Gerald, I saw something horrible, the most

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:10.200
<v Speaker 3>horrible thing I've ever seen something alive. I saw it move.

0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 3>But then she never can say any more specifics.

0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.920
<v Speaker 2>And then Jared, well, here here's a telling question, Joe, Okay,

0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>did you run it back immediately and watch the frog

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:19.760
<v Speaker 2>bet again?

0:59:20.000 --> 0:59:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh? Maybe I did.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't because I certainly did, because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what did I do? Did I just see a frog bit?

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to go back and see it, and I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and I did that. Obviously that is not the intended

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<v Speaker 2>viewing experience. That is not what Mensi's had in mind.

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<v Speaker 2>So I guess we have to take that into account

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good point. Yeah, you couldn't rewind it in

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<v Speaker 3>the theaters, But so aunt Edith is like I saw

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<v Speaker 3>something alive, and Gerald says it was your imagination.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>I demand privacy in my quarters. And then he instructs

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<v Speaker 3>William to make sure that the guests are inside their

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<v Speaker 3>rooms before he locks the doors at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Good point, men, he died needlessly because we neglected to

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<v Speaker 2>really hammer down how this rule plays out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then that night, once again, Kitty hears scuttling

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<v Speaker 3>and she sees shadows move slowly down the hall in

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<v Speaker 3>the light under her bedroom door, and then we get

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<v Speaker 3>an intermission. This movie has one.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice yeah, and I'm reasonably short movie, but it still

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<v Speaker 2>has an intermission.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they specify. I think this is the very

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<v Speaker 3>next day, the friends that that Kitty wrote to, Bert

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<v Speaker 3>Dilling and three other friends arrive at the castle driving

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<v Speaker 3>Cruela Deville's car, and I was just thinking, wait a second.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kitty put the letter in the regular paper mail yesterday,

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<v Speaker 3>writing to her friends, who are presumably in another country,

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<v Speaker 3>to come to Craven Castle, and they're there within twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hours. Sure, sure, man, don't they don't run the

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<v Speaker 3>mail like they used to.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this castle is closer to the interstate than

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<v Speaker 2>the Draculous Castle, so.

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<v Speaker 3>When they arrived, they interrupt Gerald, who is reading a

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<v Speaker 3>book on territology, and they say, you know, hey, Gerald,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh good to see we found ourselves up here in

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<v Speaker 3>the highlands. Is they're good shooting up here? Obviously Gerald

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<v Speaker 3>is extremely unhappy about this, but he, like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>laws of hospitality, he has no choice but to give

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<v Speaker 3>them all bedrooms to be locked in at night. And

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<v Speaker 3>then next thing, I love the scene where the doctor

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<v Speaker 3>and all the other friends are conspiring about how to

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<v Speaker 3>give Gerald a sneak medical exam. Doctor Burt is like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's obvious he won't submit to an examination. I've just

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<v Speaker 3>got to observe him as best I can. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the other friend is like, well, we'll keep him distracted

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<v Speaker 3>as best we can, if it's possible to do. And

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<v Speaker 3>then Bert says, yes, I think that's the thing to do.

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<v Speaker 3>But don't watch him too obviously, and keep being as

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<v Speaker 3>cheerful as you can. I think that's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a dinner party where we see Richard. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>where Richard is making the chaotic evil Martiniz and the

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<v Speaker 3>At one point the dinner guests hear a noise from upstairs,

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<v Speaker 3>and Gerald and the servants all dash out and lock

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<v Speaker 3>them in the dining room, and doctor Burt is like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I've observed Gerald for some time now he needs to

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<v Speaker 3>be placed under arrest for his own protection. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the when Gerald and the servants come back, they have

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<v Speaker 3>a dinner. Somebody seems to be telling a possibly offensive

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<v Speaker 3>joke about India, but I couldn't understand what the guy

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<v Speaker 3>was saying. And then Gerald starts telling the rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, is this the part where Gerald sends everybody to

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<v Speaker 2>bed because it's almost eleven pm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's eleven pm. Everybody's got to go to bed.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll all be locked in your rooms tonight. No going

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<v Speaker 3>in the maze now. So they all get locked in

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<v Speaker 3>the rooms. And then we see, well Bert brought a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like showing it off to his wife. Here's my revolver, honey.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Bert explains to her that mcteam, the MCTEAM

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<v Speaker 3>Baron keep dying young. Shortly after they inherit the title

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<v Speaker 3>and the last record of a woman marrying a MCTEAM

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<v Speaker 3>tells that she died within a few days of that marriage.

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<v Speaker 3>So we really got to worry about Kitty now. But

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<v Speaker 3>then that night Kitty and aunt Edith sneak up the

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<v Speaker 3>staircase to the Forbidden Tower and they investigate the room

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<v Speaker 3>at the top. They say, first of all, they look around.

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<v Speaker 3>They say, there's no furniture at all, even though we

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<v Speaker 3>can see furniture, there is furniture in the room. Did

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<v Speaker 3>you have the same conclusion. I'm like, what am I missing?

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<v Speaker 3>Why are they saying there's no furniture?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this felt like, Yeah, there's a disconnect between how

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<v Speaker 2>the line was written and what the actual set was.

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<v Speaker 3>And maybe I don't understand what furniture means in this context,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't see a couch in the room, but

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<v Speaker 3>there were tables and shelves and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I didn't get a really good sense of this

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<v Speaker 2>space based on this disconnect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Kitty finds a bit of seaweed on the floor,

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<v Speaker 3>and then aunt Edith, so she's like, oh, look, seaweed

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor. And then aunt Edith, as if horrified, says,

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<v Speaker 3>and a bowl of tomatoes. Sure, there's a bowl of

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<v Speaker 3>tomatoes there. What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this is tapping in I remember when

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<v Speaker 2>we talked We've talked about tomatoes and tomatoes on the

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<v Speaker 2>show before on the stuff to blow your mind or

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<v Speaker 2>possibly invention. Maybe we're talking about catchup. But there have

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<v Speaker 2>been times and places where people have had a horror

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<v Speaker 2>of tomatoes. So maybe Aunt Edith is of that disposition.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's not that there might be a monster up here,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is eating tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you're just thinking like that is what the monster

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<v Speaker 3>in the tower would eat. Of course we eat tomatoes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean are they store bought refrigerated tomatoes? Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>then that can be a little terrifying. But see I'm

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<v Speaker 2>getting the impression this this castle has a garden. These

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<v Speaker 2>are fresh tomatoes, only Scotland's best tomatoes. Yes, William picked

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<v Speaker 2>them himself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So oh. But they also find the book on tear stology,

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<v Speaker 3>which inside is called its Territology colon the Study of Monstrosities.

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<v Speaker 2>This book is this movie's how to cook Millhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly. But then they hear the scuttling sound once again.

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<v Speaker 3>They're forced to flee. They run out of the room

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<v Speaker 3>and next we see a very interesting scene. Gerald and

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<v Speaker 3>the servants emerge from the sort of secret chamber and

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<v Speaker 3>they're carrying between them a huge sheet. Rob, what's going

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<v Speaker 3>on here?

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<v Speaker 2>This again? I have not read the original novel, but Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>if you may scroll down, you can check this out

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<v Speaker 2>for yourself. As far as I can tell, Salvador Dali

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<v Speaker 2>did not do an illustration of the monster in this story,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is as close as we get. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is a depiction of one illustration of this scene where

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<v Speaker 2>you have you William or the other guy helping to

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<v Speaker 2>hold up this sheet and there is something behind the sheet,

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<v Speaker 2>some monstrosity behind it, and it's a creepy moment in

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<v Speaker 2>the picture. And then the illustration is also pretty alarming,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can tell there's something horrifying back there behind

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<v Speaker 2>the sheet, behind the veil.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this part of the movie I think is creepy because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't see it. The servants are just carrying the

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<v Speaker 3>sheet around whatever it is that's moving down the hall.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Kitty and Andy to follow the sheet procession.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes out to the maze in the dark, and

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<v Speaker 3>they follow it there and then they navigate the maze

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<v Speaker 3>apparently by sound. They're like following the scuttling noises which

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<v Speaker 3>are then accompanied by splashing noises.

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<v Speaker 2>The noises are great in these scenes, like there is

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of slouching sound with whatever is being ushered

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<v Speaker 2>around behind the sheet. And also I do have to

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<v Speaker 2>come back to the frog butt here and say, how

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<v Speaker 2>effective is this scene having seen the frog butt earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>or if you're going in fresh or you're just assuming,

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<v Speaker 2>well that frog butt clearly has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 2>whatever's behind that sheet, or are you the viewer saying, well,

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<v Speaker 2>they're there is obviously a frog behind that sheet. We

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<v Speaker 2>saw part of it earlier, a man's sized frog.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, So we're getting there. Andi Edith gets

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<v Speaker 3>separated from Kitty in the maze. She gets lost, the

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<v Speaker 3>candle goes out, and they're both stumbling around in the

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<v Speaker 3>dark looking for each other until they both see something horrible,

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<v Speaker 3>something unimaginable. A giant frog between the size of a

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<v Speaker 3>pig and a black bear, just hopping around on the

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<v Speaker 3>ground on all fours and roaring and screeching.

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<v Speaker 2>It is alarming looking. It is a great frog costume. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a human performer inside of a suit. And

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<v Speaker 2>I hunted around. I tried to find if there was

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<v Speaker 2>any credit, Like I'm always interested, who's the guy in

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<v Speaker 2>the suit, you know, be it a gorilla suit, a

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<v Speaker 2>monster suit, what have you? I don't know who this is,

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<v Speaker 2>but whoever's in there, they're doing a great job. The

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<v Speaker 2>physical performance and the suit and of course the lighting

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<v Speaker 2>is all perfect. Though we'll come back to this at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day. Though it is still a frog,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure how we ultimately feel about that.

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<v Speaker 3>It is shockingly weird, and it only gets weirder. So

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<v Speaker 3>the giant frog is flopping around, apparently in terror. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's immediately though frightening, it's immediately kind of piteous

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and it flops out of the maze and

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<v Speaker 3>then goes up the stairs of the castle, still roaring, shrieking.

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<v Speaker 3>It rouses Bert the doctor, who is like, stand back,

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<v Speaker 3>and he shoots the lock off of his bedroom door

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<v Speaker 3>and comes out armed. And then I think that this

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<v Speaker 3>just further terrifies the frog monster, which then climbs the

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<v Speaker 3>stairs to its lair in the tower and then dives

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<v Speaker 3>out the tower window to its death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we see it plummet. We don't see it hit,

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<v Speaker 2>but we kind of hear it splat. It's an alarming

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<v Speaker 2>scene because again, once we saw the frog, after just

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<v Speaker 2>a few seconds, it was clear it was not going

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<v Speaker 2>to try and eat anybody. It was running for its

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<v Speaker 2>life and now it has fallen to its death, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>on purpose, and now the whole scene is just awkward.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then this just gives way to an explanation

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<v Speaker 3>scene like at the end of Psycho, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>they bring the criminologist in to explain what's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerald the next morning gathers everyone in a room and

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<v Speaker 3>I love that it's the next morning, so you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>what was the did everybody go back to bed after this?

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<v Speaker 3>And they're like, we'll talk about it in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's the next morning and Gerald comes out. He

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<v Speaker 3>explains what was going on? So what was the story?

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I know that you all think that I

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<v Speaker 3>and my predecessors for the last two hundred years have

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<v Speaker 3>been the real lords of Craven. Well that's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>The last Baronet Craven, Sir Roger Philip mcteem was born

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<v Speaker 3>on the fifth of April in the year seventeen fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>He died on the tenth of May nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 3>Last night we buried him before dawn in a corner

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<v Speaker 3>of the grounds, in accordance with his wishes. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he says, quite helpfully, but Gerald a man doesn't live

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<v Speaker 3>for two hundred years. And then Gerald says, no, Kitty,

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<v Speaker 3>a man doesn't, but certain types of amphibians do. I'll

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<v Speaker 3>try to explain it as best I can. A human

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<v Speaker 3>embryo goes through all the stages of evolution from invertebrate

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<v Speaker 3>to the mammal. At one point the embryo is an amphibian.

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<v Speaker 3>This is an outdated view of embryology that actually we

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<v Speaker 3>talked about in a recent Listener Male episode. By the way,

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<v Speaker 3>Gerald goes on, Sir Roger never developed beyond that stage physically.

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<v Speaker 3>He continued growing developmentally for over two hundred years. He suffered,

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<v Speaker 3>knowing he was a monster, but feeling that he was

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<v Speaker 3>a man. So we learned that since then, every other

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<v Speaker 3>male member of the family has that was known to

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<v Speaker 3>the outside world as the baronet was really just there

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<v Speaker 3>to serve the real baronet, the frog, and carry out

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<v Speaker 3>his order and quote hide the family disgrace. And then

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<v Speaker 3>Gerald says he couldn't bear for anyone to see him

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<v Speaker 3>except for his nephews and the staff here at the castle.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why he was so surprised when he saw you

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<v Speaker 3>last night in the maze, Kitty. He meant you no harm.

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<v Speaker 3>He was merely trying to hide. And then Kitty says,

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<v Speaker 3>oh I see. Gerald says, nevertheless, he did have certain pleasures.

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<v Speaker 2>At night.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd insist on us taking him down to the pond

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the maze. He'd take off his

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<v Speaker 3>cloak and splash around in the water. His natural habitat

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<v Speaker 3>his bed in the tower was a mattress of seaweed,

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<v Speaker 3>without sheets or pillows or blankets. We buried him in

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<v Speaker 3>the maze near the pond, where he spent the few

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<v Speaker 3>moments of contentment in his entire life. In the end,

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<v Speaker 3>so Gerald apologizes to Kitty and everybody else, and he says,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was really a mistake. He thinks that

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<v Speaker 3>Roger should have been open about the fact that he

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<v Speaker 3>was a frog, and that people would have accepted him

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<v Speaker 3>if he'd been honest about who he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true? Would they have really accepted him?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know? And then whoa. We end with another

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<v Speaker 3>tag team performance by Aunt Edith in the ceiling, where

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<v Speaker 3>Edith comes in and looks straight into the camera and says,

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<v Speaker 3>Kitty and Gerald are married. Now they live in the

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<v Speaker 3>old Castle, very happily. Everything has been changed and modernized

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<v Speaker 3>except for one place, the grave of Sir Roger. We

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<v Speaker 3>zoom in on the grave the end. Wow, holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a real roller coaster because it's like, Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>get this hideous you know, kind of like lovecrafty and reveal,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, secret monster in the castle, and then of

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<v Speaker 2>course we later we find it's like it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>a giant frog, but it's a human being that is

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<v Speaker 2>essentially like this kind of a mutant that's been living

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<v Speaker 2>there for two centuries. But then we get this weird

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<v Speaker 2>sad twist where he just didn't want to be seen,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it kind of cast Kitty is the villain

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<v Speaker 2>because like Kitty, everything was under control here. It was sad. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a sad scene, but nobody was diving out

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<v Speaker 2>the window. Though, at the end of this film and

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<v Speaker 2>all this explanation, I don't feel like they really accounted

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<v Speaker 2>for all those mysterious deaths, Like isn't the whole part

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<v Speaker 2>of it, Like like like there's like almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>family curse that everyone keeps dying, and then there's that

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<v Speaker 2>like only one woman actually married into the family and

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<v Speaker 2>she died.

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<v Speaker 3>So the way I interpreted it is the fact that,

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<v Speaker 3>like the cleaning woman to the castle died, and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that the Baronets all die young that is all

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<v Speaker 3>a result of like the fact that looking at the

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<v Speaker 3>frog is so horrifying that it like ages you physically

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<v Speaker 3>years every time you see the frog, which is why

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<v Speaker 3>the baronets all die within a few years of assuming

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<v Speaker 3>you know, his sort of like top lieutenant post, and

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<v Speaker 3>why people who are at the castle and happen to

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<v Speaker 3>bump into him all die. It's just so scary.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was, I was thinking about about all of

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<v Speaker 2>this because again, at the end of the day, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great looking frog costume, but it is a giant frog.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to get my hands on the book,

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<v Speaker 2>but according to Science Fiction Encyclopedia, it describes the creature

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<v Speaker 2>as quote a one hundred and seventy five year old

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<v Speaker 2>mutant whose embryonic development was arrested at the amphibian stage.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me wonder if the form of the monster

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<v Speaker 2>in the book is suggested or even outright described as

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<v Speaker 2>being something that is more of a hybrid, like more

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<v Speaker 2>of like like something maybe more like a giant fetus

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<v Speaker 2>that's part frog and part human, like something that is

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, you know in the weird fiction sensibilities,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, impossible to describe or just too horrible to describe,

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<v Speaker 2>and the film ultimately either cannot go that far, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just decided, for various other reasons, to go

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<v Speaker 2>with just more of just a giant frog effect. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I was, and I was thinking, well, okay, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>in fifty three they just weren't ready for something anything

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<v Speaker 2>that adventurous. But at the same time, like fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>is the year that Jack Arnold's It Came from Outer

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<v Speaker 2>Space came out, and as we've discussed on the show before,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't covered that movie specifically, but it has a

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<v Speaker 2>unique monster in it. Originally they weren't going to even

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<v Speaker 2>show the monster, but that was too adventurous. They ended

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<v Speaker 2>up compromising and creating something that does look very otherworldly

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<v Speaker 2>and strange. So it's not like they weren't capable of

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<v Speaker 2>imagining and realizing, you know, strange monstrous images that don't

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<v Speaker 2>match up one to one with natural world organisms. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for whatever reason, they did not go that direction.

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<v Speaker 2>They just went with the giant amphibian.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very curious ending and effect because, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>though it was partially spoiled for me by like knowing

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<v Speaker 3>what the ending was before I saw the movie. But

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<v Speaker 3>for me, it's balancing right on a razor's edge between

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<v Speaker 3>very effective and scary and just really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think that's That's one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>it's so novel, because I don't think anybody's saying this

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<v Speaker 2>film has a great ending that totally redeems oh picture, No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's weird, you know, and weird in a way where

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<v Speaker 2>you're like, did that work? Did it kind of work?

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<v Speaker 2>Did parts of it work? And you're left unsure exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how to answer, but it is, it is notable, And

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<v Speaker 2>then all the weird stuff with like is did Kitty

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<v Speaker 2>just get this frog killed? And so forth? I guess

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<v Speaker 2>all of this does kind of tie especially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the explanation about like if he'd only been open about

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<v Speaker 2>being a giant frog, everyone would have accepted him. It

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ties into this whole thing between Kitty and

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald too, right, Like there's this communication breakdown, like he

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<v Speaker 2>won't tell her about his problem and therefore she can't

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<v Speaker 2>help him or help him find help for his problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I guess the ultimate message is like talk

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<v Speaker 2>to people. Don't shut yourself off from the world, because

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<v Speaker 2>your problems are not going to improve that way. They're

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<v Speaker 2>only gonna fester and you'll just turn into a giant frog.

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<v Speaker 3>Secret secrets are no fun, is Yeah, I would say

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<v Speaker 3>that is the ethic of the film, though I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if that message really works, yeah, because like people

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<v Speaker 3>do see the frog and then like die of fright.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if it if it really makes

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<v Speaker 3>sense to say, like, oh, it would have been all

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<v Speaker 3>right if he'd just been open about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but maybe if he prepared them. He's like, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna have William and the other guy drop the

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<v Speaker 2>sheet here. I am a giant frog. So just be

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<v Speaker 2>prepared for that, and then you maybe people will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to warm themselves up for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, one thing that I think really just in general

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<v Speaker 3>does not work is the tidiness of the explanation scene

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<v Speaker 3>after the frog falls to its death. It's like so

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<v Speaker 3>quick and so direct, and everybody's just like Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that's what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And like we've seen another pictures from this time period,

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<v Speaker 2>like refusal to send people home anything other than happy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of reassuring. It's like everything

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<v Speaker 2>turned out great, like this was you know, this was rough,

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<v Speaker 2>but don't worry. They're fine. The kids are fine, the

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<v Speaker 2>castle's fine. William's doing great. His hair is no longer white.

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<v Speaker 3>They got central heating at the castle now, yeah, yeah

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<v Speaker 3>they did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah they mentioned the whole Yeah, we we open the

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<v Speaker 2>windows back up. There's no longer a seaweed floor feature

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<v Speaker 2>up there in the master bedroom. So it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry people, you can go home happy.

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<v Speaker 3>This film is Hayes Code approved.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, in the end, a little slow in the

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<v Speaker 2>build up, but yeah, there's a lot to consider, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to talk about with the ending, very very fun

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<v Speaker 2>in thought provoking ending, and a great frog costume. I

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<v Speaker 2>really can't think of another film off the top of

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<v Speaker 2>my head where we've seen a frog costume, because generally

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<v Speaker 2>you can get a frog, you can film a frog,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want it to be giant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are things you can do. Of course, affects wise

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<v Speaker 2>to to have a frog play a frog, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say it, best frog costume ever. If

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<v Speaker 2>someone has a better one, bring it to my attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell comes to frog Town, doesn't count because those are

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<v Speaker 2>those are mutants, right, That's right?

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<v Speaker 3>All right. I think that's all I can say about

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<v Speaker 3>the maze.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's amazing, that's for sure. So we hoped, we

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<v Speaker 2>hope everyone enjoyed this episode. And if you did sort

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<v Speaker 2>of take us on our word and you jumped in

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<v Speaker 2>and watched this film fresh with no spoilers, please report

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<v Speaker 2>from the field and tell us how you navigated these

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<v Speaker 2>various twists and turns and the inevitable frog butt, how

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<v Speaker 2>that affected your expectations concerning where the plot was taking us.

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<v Speaker 2>If this plot is a maze, is it amazed? Are

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<v Speaker 2>you able to leave the maze? Or do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're just kind of stuck in it at the end?

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<v Speaker 2>I liked it that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have thought a movie called the Mae would

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<v Speaker 3>be more confusing, but I would say the plot is

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<v Speaker 3>actually quite straightforward.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a little getting lost in the maze that works,

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<v Speaker 2>But the maze is a good place for some of

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<v Speaker 2>the suspense to take place. All right, We're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>and close it up there, but we'd love to hear

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