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Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Almost famous the og podcast. We are coming to you

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Speaker 2: right now from Carmel by the Sea and it is

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Speaker 2: the third or fourth annual Almost Famous Golf Outing starring

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Speaker 2: and featuring Ben Higgins. Ben is not here. Ben is

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Speaker 2: too busy having children. He's in the midst of.

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Speaker 3: The byproduct of love.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is the Bachelor and amen, right, that's

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Speaker 1: what shoots for. So he's he's getting ready.

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Speaker 2: To deliver any day. He and Jess are getting ready

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Speaker 2: to deliver any day. He's very, very excited about it.

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Speaker 2: But I thankfully am joined by, in my opinion, the

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Speaker 2: greatest Bachelor of the franchise has ever known, my main man,

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Speaker 2: Andrew Fires.

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Speaker 4: It is good to be here with you, Bob, to

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Speaker 4: be here to me and back again in Carmel.

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Speaker 3: This is actually my old stomping grounds.

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Speaker 4: I went to high school right down the road from here,

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Speaker 4: so this is like old home week for me.

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Speaker 1: I will say this.

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Speaker 2: So last year we got to walk the course a

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Speaker 2: little bit together, and walking the course with you is

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Speaker 2: like nothing I've ever experienced in my life.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just you have this way.

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Speaker 2: Of delivering things that are just like mind blowing and

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Speaker 2: you're like, oh, yeah, well, I you know, my grandpa

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Speaker 2: used to own that those two houses right there, So

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Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time.

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Speaker 1: Round across the street and playing.

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Speaker 2: I was like, we're walking Pebble Beach, Like this is amazing,

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Speaker 2: and uh, I mean having that kind of upbringing in

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Speaker 2: this beautiful town, of beautiful surroundings, you had to just

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Speaker 2: be Did you realize how lucky you were at that?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: I mean probably not not really. I mean that hindsight,

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Speaker 4: you know, definitely clarifies things. But Carmel is such an

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Speaker 4: amazing little, you know town city right on the on

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Speaker 4: the water, you know, host to the the AT and T,

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Speaker 4: which is coming up here this weekend. But it's such

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Speaker 4: a great backdrop to have a reunion and to be

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Speaker 4: here with you and Amy. You know that has gotten

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Speaker 4: us together here. I mean you this is your third

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Speaker 4: or fourth I've been coming here for fifteen years. I

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Speaker 4: guess you just never getting invited or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I when I said third and fourth, I didn't realize

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Speaker 3: All the time we're all here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you know, I think this is my my

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Speaker 2: third annual. The first year I remember you. You guys

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Speaker 2: called me and I was in Mexico with my family

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Speaker 2: and I was so I had such fun you were here.

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Speaker 3: That was the best one that makes perfect me miss

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Speaker 3: a little bit, that.

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Speaker 2: Makes perfect sense. Yeah, and then Harrison was here with

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Speaker 2: us last year as well. Of course, Ben, what I

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Speaker 2: do remember, uh, you know, pretty vividly of my first

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Speaker 2: year here was I was the youngest I'm sorry, the

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Speaker 2: with like Kaylin and Dean Blake and Giannina and like

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Speaker 2: so and but I was like, wow, okay, so I

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Speaker 2: was clearly the you know, they brought me here to chaperon.

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Speaker 3: They just needed someone to drive.

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Speaker 2: You can buy beer for the party, And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's me. This year, however, completely opposite.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 2: You and I are the Spring Chickens, and we are

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Speaker 2: bringing it up with the Golden after Dark Party.

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Speaker 4: Which is such a such a great evolution for you know,

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Speaker 4: like the Bachelor Family to to open it up, and

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Speaker 4: I'm actually really excited to get to know some of

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Speaker 4: these people that I've seen on TV and you read

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Speaker 4: kind of the guard is down, is when you actually

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Speaker 1: Honest it is. That's why we're gonna be feeding them

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Speaker 1: cocktails tonight. We have already talked about. We got a

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Speaker 4: Yep, there is a tequila luge that's a quarter mile long,

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Speaker 4: so we'll see what happens here.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna keep a steady poor going, you know.

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Speaker 2: And but yeah, I've gotten to meet a couple of them,

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Speaker 2: not all of them met Joan and Chock. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Joan of course was a golden bachelorette, and then Chock

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Speaker 2: like they fit right. It's kind of like the whole

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Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, they make perfect sense, right, And Joan

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Speaker 2: and Chak are like that. And I agree with you though.

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Speaker 2: It's a great evolution of the franchise that needed to

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Speaker 2: get back off the skids because there was a while

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Speaker 2: there where I kind of quit watching, really I did,

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Speaker 2: because I wanted to know enough about it when someone

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Speaker 2: would ask me. But I was also like, man, I

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Speaker 2: just don't want to see people fighting, right, I just

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Speaker 2: don't you know, that just doesn't do.

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Speaker 4: It, no, I think, And that's what I think has

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Speaker 4: always been the like the magic of the Bachelors is

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Speaker 4: always like the desire to see somebody end up happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean there's always going to be tears, there's always

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Speaker 4: going to be those moments that someone's heart broken, but

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Speaker 4: that's not that's that's a part of it. But I

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Speaker 4: think the reason that that it's that it's always had

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Speaker 4: its magic is because everyone's rooting for a happy ending, right,

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Speaker 4: and whether that's to first love or it might be

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Speaker 4: you're always rooting for love. And I think that's why

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Speaker 4: Bachelor Nation is so strong. I think that's why people

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Speaker 4: follow the show religiously, because everyone has the same kind

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Speaker 4: of commonality, which is like you want to see it

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Speaker 3: You're not hoping someone to fail.

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Speaker 4: Like like a lot of reality shows like American Idol

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Speaker 4: had this like pain, like I don't want to see

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Speaker 4: somebody embarrass themselves now. And I don't want to see

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Speaker 4: And that's the punchline of the show. I want the

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Speaker 4: like the the climax of the show to be like, oh,

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Speaker 4: look at they're happy, right, And that's.

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Speaker 2: And the show has had a lot of those success

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Speaker 2: stories over the years. I mean, not not as many

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Speaker 4: But in that I think there's this unrealistic expectation that

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Speaker 4: every relationship is going to end with that, you know,

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Speaker 4: that marriage and the babies and the and the happily

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Speaker 3: I mean, you can speak from experience. I can speak

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Speaker 4: I don't think that my my you know, that my

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Speaker 4: didn't have that happily ever after. I thought it was

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Speaker 4: I think it made me a better person. I think

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Speaker 4: about what I wanted in life, and it just was

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Speaker 4: answered with a different person, But the questions were the same,

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Speaker 4: and what I got out of it I think shape

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Speaker 2: I think it's great that you say that, because I

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Speaker 2: totally agree with you. I mean, we were both at

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Speaker 2: pivotal times in our life, you know. I mean, do

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Speaker 2: you think we were like at a different time though

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Speaker 2: it was a little more of a kinder, gentler I

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Speaker 2: think environment around this show, like people you know, were

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Speaker 4: But I mean, I think it's so experimental. I guess

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Speaker 4: that's the best way when people have asked me about it.

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Speaker 4: When I was on, it was experimental, like nobody quite

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Speaker 4: But there was this like optimism around it, and not

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Speaker 4: and I hope it does.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember rooting for you guys so much, and then

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Speaker 2: obviously when you didn't work out, I and you, you

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Speaker 2: and Havana got together. I was like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Then I was really rooting for you because I had

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Speaker 1: At first, and then I was like, oh my, I

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Speaker 4: Oh no another episode yah yah yeah, that that's another

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Speaker 2: It was one of those things where you know, I

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Speaker 2: I love this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Like it was.

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Speaker 2: I think the show's gotten back to that. I think

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Speaker 2: the golden I don't even know what you call it,

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Speaker 2: People are wanting to get along, like I remember being

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Speaker 2: a Trista's season The Bachelorette, which was a unique experience too,

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Speaker 2: loving the guys. I was on the show with absolutely

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Speaker 3: We're a little word that you loved them too much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of there's there's a whole other

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Speaker 4: like kind of conversation we could have about whether you

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Speaker 4: were there for Trista or every other dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there for the buddy.

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Speaker 2: I do remember Trista coming home one night and I

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Speaker 1: She comes home and say, no, I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: turn her down. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'd rather stay here with

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Speaker 2: the boys now I was. I didn't get invited.

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Speaker 1: On this one.

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Speaker 2: And she came back and the house is a mess

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Speaker 2: and people are falling apart, you know, drunk, and she's like, uh,

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Speaker 2: you're on it. I come home everyone's reading the Bible.

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Speaker 2: I go on a date with you not on it.

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Speaker 2: I come home to a frat pop. I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: what am I supposed to cry? These are my fifteen

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Speaker 2: They've all gone through through some stuff and they've all

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Speaker 2: This is our first time hosting this thing together.

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Speaker 4: Oh, this is my first time hosting anything. Like I

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Speaker 1: That's actually not true.

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Speaker 2: I've seen you do live auctions with absolute brilliance. I've

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Speaker 2: seen you do a lot of stuff, and that stuff

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Speaker 2: I cannot do. I don't know how you do it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, man alive, but you do such a great job.

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Speaker 2: You raise so much money for different charities with it,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I'm honored to have you here, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Let's have a great weekend. Let's get this whole party started.

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Speaker 4: I hope there's a great editing team there to get

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Speaker 4: us through. This would be a lot of a lot

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Speaker 4: of cussing, a lot of bad jokes. Please make me

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Speaker 4: sound wonderful.

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Speaker 1: They can do this. They do this with me every week,

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Speaker 2: Pebble Beach