1 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: At a Steve Tasker who has been all over the fields. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: player for you, state Steve a blimp. We're not even 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: in the strategy of normalcy, all right, rocking and rolling 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: on a Friday. Chris Brown here and joined by w 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: ROC sports director in Rochester, Fed Brown, who's filling in 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: for Steve Tasker, who probably passed you on the way 8 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: down the through way. This man is doing outdoor winter 9 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: camping in the Adirondacks with his boys. I think he's nuts. Um, 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: you couldn't pay me to do the kind of camping 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: these guys do. Uh, they're not even gonna have a tent. 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: It's a lean to they're going with. And I mean 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: it's not a good weather weekend, thed I don't need 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: to tell you this. We're supposed to have snow on Sunday, 15 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: so hopefully these guys get back. Okay. I mean they've 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: got gear like piled up to the top of the car. 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: It's insane. But the Taskers are a heartier bunch than me, 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: and they can have it on this one. I'm totally 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: with you, Chris. I don't even like camping in the 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: middle of summer when it's eighty out and you don't 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: have to worry about bringing seventy five layers to survive 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: the night. So credit to them. And and you know, 23 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: I guess they probably picked maybe they didn't, not don't know, 24 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: but they picked this weekend because they figured late mid 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: March it might not be that bad. And as it 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: turns out, it's going to be that bad this weekend. 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: So good luck to them. And um, you know what, 28 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: I am available on Monday, just in cases those bad procedures. 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna we know it's gonna be cold already, 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: but then they're gonna be at elevation on top of 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: that in the Adirondacks, and I don't know. They can 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: have it. They can have it. I don't even like glamping, 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: forget about camping. It's amazing too, how how close the 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Adironda are and how middle of nowhere it feels. I 35 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: did a buddy of mine and went to Paul Smith 36 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: College back in the day, and you know, visited him 37 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: up in that area. And you know, I brought the 38 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: USA today to read just on their way up, and 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: I felt like leaving it there. It was like leaving 40 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: contraband it was so you know, desolate and nothingness there. 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: So again I'm with you, Manny. You know, if I 42 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: can't come home and watch Sports Center at night, I 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: don't want to be there. Yeah. I mean he's because 44 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: he was telling me because I thought you like fishing. 45 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you want to go on a fishing 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: trip on there. As long as I have four walls 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: and a roof over my head and a warm bed 48 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: at night, I'm good. You know, the fishing part great, 49 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: but I better get back to civilization where I can 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: sleep under a roof a lean too. You gotta be 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: kidding me. I mean, you couldn't drag me there, So 52 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: more power to him. I'm glad they're enjoying it. Steve 53 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: will have a nice long weekend with his sons, so 54 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: that's great. We've got more important stuff to cover here, though, Thad, 55 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: And it starts with basically the free agent sea and 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: that the Bills have put together here. I don't know 57 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: about you, but going in, even though I was hopeful 58 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: for some kind of veteran pass rushing presence, this far 59 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: exceeded expectations. And you know, I think the rest of 60 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: the mixing and matching and the shuffling of the roster 61 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: that has happened was probably, you know, a large to 62 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 1: a large degree expected, because that's what Brandon Bean has 63 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: done in the last four years. But this what we 64 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: saw in totality here, I think still caught us off 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: guard to some degree. Would you agree with that? You know? 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: And I think the first thing I want to say 67 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: is every year, you know, I go into the free 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: agency offseason period and started looking, all right, who's what 69 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: kind of cap space to the Bills have where they 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 1: could they create space? What kind of numbers is that 71 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: going to leave them? And then all right, what do 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: they want to do? How much of those guys are 73 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: going to cost? And every year Brandon being comes up 74 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: with more guys at at lesser prices than you expect. 75 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: So I mean credit to him for the entirety of 76 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: the project. But the number one and really the only 77 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: thing that matters to me is von Miller. You know, 78 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: once the Bills landed von Miller, the rest is almost 79 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: window addressing. This is the guy that I've thought they 80 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: needed for the last two years. I thought they needed 81 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: him or someone like him. Last offseason they weren't able 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: to go that route. They went young guys and rookies, 83 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: and it really didn't work out when we got to 84 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Von Miller is the you know, to me, 85 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: the last missing piece. He makes so many guys much 86 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: better on that defense. It makes it so much easier. 87 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, if the Bills are gonna have issue at 88 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: corner because Trey White is hurt and maybe you know 89 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: how the draft might work out, well, you know, one 90 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: good von Miller to me is better than two good 91 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: corners because von Miller can just you know, cut off 92 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: that passing game at the head and you know, theoretically 93 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: he makes at Oliver so much better. The education you 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: could provide for Rousseau and bash him and Epanessa you know, 95 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: who knows how much of an impact that's gonna have. 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: So this to me was the home run signing. And 97 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: for being to be able to do it in a 98 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: year where you know, cat flexibility was not at an 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: all time high. To still you know, go out and 100 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: retool the interior the defensive line, to you know, land 101 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: a slot receiver in jameson Crowd or find the backup 102 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: tight end they need, the second tight end they needed 103 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: in oj Howard. You know I'm impressed. I mean, you 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: can't not you know, put the grade somewhere in the 105 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: A region and minus plus whatever. It's just everything that 106 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: you would think this Bill's team would need on paper, 107 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: and now just a matter of you know, running the ball, 108 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: running the guys out in the field and making it 109 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: work together and all of the guy who builds the roster, 110 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: Brandon being I know he's still got a draft laughing. 111 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: There still work to be done, but he's done, you know, 112 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: the big amount of heavy lifting that I thought he 113 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: needed to do this offseason, right, and you just mentioned 114 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: something that was leading me to my next question. It 115 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: does have to come together on the field, but at 116 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: least on paper. Would you say that the Bills are 117 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: a better team today than they were last year? Easily? Yep. 118 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: And it's not just von Miller, you know. I think O. J. 119 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Howard is a nice move to as a second tight end. 120 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: I think the defensive line as a group is better. 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: I think, you know, just more dependable. I mean, it 122 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: was swopping out to Kon Jones, who's you know, never 123 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: a Dequon Jones who's never you know, missed a game 124 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: basically for Starlotula, who really was not a guy that 125 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Bills who count on, you know, late in his Bill's tenure. 126 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: I think is a big impact or a big addition 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: for sure. But um, you know, last year, I think 128 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: I went into the season thinking, yeah, there's new pieces, 129 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: they're young, but I don't know. This team is much 130 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: different than the one that had lost in the AFC 131 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Championship the year before. This team, I think is significantly better. 132 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: And when you look at this team, I think in 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 1: the scope of what the rest of the conference has done, 134 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, on paper, and it's it's a stupid thing 135 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: that really you know, assumed things in the middle of March. 136 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,359 Speaker 1: But on paper, this team looks like not only the 137 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: super Bowl favorite, but to me far and away the 138 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: super Bowl favorite in the AFC. And then I would 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: say two, if there's an under the radar move, it's 140 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: the attention paid to the interior the defensive line. I mean, 141 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: von Miller is gonna get all the headlines, and understandably so. 142 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: He's got more sacks than any other act of player 143 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: in the league. But you talk about upgrading and stuff, 144 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: and I think there are upgrades there. You mentioned to 145 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: Kwan Jones versus Latulae. I would argue at this point 146 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: in Latula's career, that is an upgrade. I would argue 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: that Settle is an upgrade over somebody like Vernon Butler. 148 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: You know, in Jordan Phillips is probably even a physical 149 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: upgrade to Harrison Phillips. He's just a bigger, more athletic 150 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: man than Harrison Phillips. Was not to discount anything that 151 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips did second half of the season, he was 152 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: able to go out and get himself a good contract. 153 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 1: More power to you, but man for man on the 154 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: defensive interior, I think you can also argue they've upgraded 155 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: at all three spots that they had to replace. I 156 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not as high on Settle or Jordan 157 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: Phillips for that matter. You know, would Settle. This is 158 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: a guy that didn't get a lot of snaps in Washington. 159 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: I mean, when you looked at the analysis of Tim Settle, 160 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: the first line was, well, I didn't play much and 161 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: we really don't know what he is yet, which I 162 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: can understand that. You know, it's a young guy, a 163 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: guy who's certainly had very good moments and very good 164 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: games in this league. But you know, last year he 165 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: looked down his his game by game, and he had 166 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: games where he had seven snaps, six snaps, five snaps 167 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: on the defensive line, So you know, to get a 168 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: read on that and say, wow, this guy is definitely 169 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: better than you know, player X. I think might be 170 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: going on maybe putting a little too much on him now. 171 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: Vernon Butler was not very good last year. I thought 172 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: he was pretty solid in twenty twenty. I think Settle 173 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: will probably be better than that. You know, Jordan Phillips, 174 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: I think you're right, as a physical athlete is better 175 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: than Harrison Phillips, but they're gonna serve different roles too. 176 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips was more in the the star Lotulae role 177 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: of a run stop or a you know, a one tech, 178 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, occupy space kind of guy, whereas Jordan Phillips 179 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: was more of a disruptor, you know, get after the 180 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: quarterback type guy. So she's not quite the same player. 181 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I think the potential for those two guys to be 182 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: better than the two guys they replaced is certainly there, 183 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: and I would even go so far as to say 184 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: it's probably a likely move. But I'm not going to 185 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: just assume that they're going to be better I think 186 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: there are questions about both players Yea as well. What 187 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: leaves me optimistic with them is the following. Tim Settle 188 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: has been waiting to get more playing time for the 189 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: better part of the last four years, and in the 190 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: one year where he did get some playing time thirty 191 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: three percent of the snaps he had a five sack season. 192 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: Knowing he can offer that kind of production in a rotation, 193 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: because you would say thirty three percent, that's even on 194 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: the low end of what he might get here. He 195 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: might get up to thirty five forty percent of the 196 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: snaps in a given game. And knowing that there's that 197 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, which Brandon being always likes in 198 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: players that he's trying to acquire, be a free agency 199 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: or the draft. I'm encouraged that he's going to try 200 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: to blow the roof off this thing when he gets 201 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: the opportunity that he does. That's number one. Number Two. 202 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: You can say what you want about Jordan Phillips and 203 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: the motivation level once he got paid and played out 204 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: in Arizona. I think he found greener past years in 205 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: terms of money, but I think he was genuinely disappointed 206 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: with the team atmosphere in Arizona. Not to say that 207 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: it's bad there, but it just wasn't Buffalo, and that's 208 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: why he was so eager to come back. And anytime 209 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: you've got Jordan Phillips on a one year contract, I 210 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: feel a whole lot better about what he's going to 211 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: give you than in a big money, long term contract, 212 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: which I think was a concern. So from that standpoint, 213 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get similar production and effort from 214 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: what you got out of phillips is last year here 215 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and I think du Quan's got the 216 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder to finally get some playing time 217 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: and show the kind of player he is. Granted that's 218 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: not hardcore evidence, but that's what I'm banking on, and 219 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: that's why maybe I'm on the more optimistic side of 220 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: what I feel are upgrades there on the defensive interior. 221 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: The one thing, though, Fad that is still somewhat up 222 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: in the air, Roger Staffold notwithstanding, is the guard to 223 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: guard lineup on the offensive line. You know, the Ryan 224 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Bates thing is still sitting out there in terms of, 225 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: you know, an offer sheet from the Bears. I mean, 226 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything confirmed that it got done with 227 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: the Bears that he signed his name, yet he intends 228 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: to is as far as I've seen it reported up 229 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: Chicago Way, So we still have to wait and see 230 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: what happens there. Apparently I've seen other reports he's mulling 231 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: his options. But if he's out of the equation, Yes, 232 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: they just signed Greg Mans this week, but that would 233 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: that and I guess, as you already mentioned, Corner would 234 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: be the two spots that are still a little bit 235 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: of a question mark. I think the realization, you know, 236 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of Internet expertual'll tell you the cap 237 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: isn't real, it's a myth. You know, you can spend 238 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: whatever you want. Well, no, the cap is a real thing, 239 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: and that you have to make decisions. And I think 240 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: what Brandon Bean has done is he's decided, at least 241 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: so far, that he's going to emphasize landing that star 242 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: pass Rusher and von Miller, redoing the D line over 243 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: attacking Guard and Corner in those spots, maybe even wide 244 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: receiver to a lesser degree where the Bills could have 245 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: also used more expensive, more resource driven help. And doesn't 246 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: mean that, you know, the free agencies went like a 247 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: week over there's there's still plenty of time to find 248 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: guys and to sign guys. There's a lot of corners 249 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: out there to be honest for that one take their 250 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: job and obviously the draft, so it's not like the 251 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: job is done. But I think I think right now 252 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: you've seen where the priorities have gone, and now you 253 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: know that does leave guard to me as a bit 254 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: of a concern big picture, do I want to be 255 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: good at pass rusher or guard? The decision there is easy. 256 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: I want to be good at pass rushing. You know, 257 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: I will live, especially when I have a quarterback that's 258 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: a monster that can get out of all kinds of 259 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, dangerous situations. I will live with whatever I 260 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: have at guard. If I have Von Miller on the 261 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: other side. Now doesn't mean that the Bills are okay 262 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: with what they have right now. You know, I've got 263 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,839 Speaker 1: to point out, I guess that Ike Bucker is still 264 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: out there. So if Ryan Bates doesn't work, you know 265 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: I would I would live if it's Ike Bucker and 266 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: Roger Saffold is the day one guards. I think Ike 267 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: has done enough to feel like he can you can 268 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: get away with him as a regular starting god, not guard. 269 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: Not ideal by any stretch. And you know at corner, 270 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm a huge Dane Jackson fan. To me, the question 271 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: is when is Trey White coming back and what status 272 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: is going to be of it. You know, if you 273 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: want to if you're bringing another guy in to replace 274 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: Trey White, well that's only gonna happen if Trey Waite's 275 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: missing X number of games, and that's a big number. 276 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: Even if Trey White's not gonna be one hundred percent. 277 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: If he can go, you're putting him on the field. 278 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: So now the question is do you want to start 279 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: Dane Jackson or low cost veteran X or rookie that 280 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: you get in whatever round X. And you know, to 281 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: me the decision, I think I still like Dane Jackson 282 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: over most of those options. Yeah, And and not for nothing, 283 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: Dane's been here and AWF a lot. He's been training 284 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: here pretty much all off season. He's here in the 285 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: field house every morning when when I walk in, he's 286 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: putting in the work. So it's always good to see 287 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 1: that before I forget. We should mention coming up on 288 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: the show today in addition to the OBL Friday fan 289 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: mail bag, where Thad and I will be answering any 290 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: of your questions that you might have on the Bills 291 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: or the league at large. Fire him off at one 292 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Bills Live on Twitter, or give us a qualit eight 293 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: oh three five fifty. But coming up in about fifteen minutes, 294 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: we will have Bill's newest tight end, Oj Howard joining 295 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: us on the show, and we'll be talking to him 296 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: about his decision to come here, number one, what he's 297 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: hoping to accomplish, and the opportunity he kind of sees 298 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: in front of him here in one of the most 299 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: prolific offenses in the National Football League. Then second hour 300 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: of the show, Greg co Sell, senior producer, a good 301 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: friend of the show from NFL Films, will be joining 302 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: us and we'll be going over some of the receiver 303 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 1: prospects with him in this year's draft class. When we 304 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: had him on back at the combine, Steve and I 305 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: were asking him about some of the top receiver prospects 306 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: we're still getting. We're gonna kind of move down the 307 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: board a little or at least does the draft Knicks 308 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: have it, and maybe ask him about that second tier 309 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: of receivers to see what he thinks. In the event 310 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: that the Bills don't go wide out in round one 311 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: and go elsewhere and then maybe look at round two, 312 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: round three, Day two type possibility. So we'll go over 313 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: that with Greg Cosell second hour of the show. You know, 314 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: you mentioned von Miller said, and while I think most 315 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: people would pick that going away, you know, as the 316 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: big seis mcmove. What did you think of how they 317 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: filled out the quarterback position with Case Keenum and Matt Barkley. 318 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: I like Keenum a lot, you know, as a backup. 319 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's he doesn't have the athletic skills 320 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: that Mitch Trubisky did. When the Bills brought in Trubisky 321 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: last year, you know, the thinking was, and I think 322 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: the appropriate reaction was, Wow, this is the best backup 323 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: quarterback you could have in the NFL. But this is 324 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: a guy with top of first round talent. Case Keenum 325 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: is not that guy. Now, Case Keenum was an experienced 326 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: guy that can certainly get you through a two, three, 327 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: four game stretch if you too, and he's had success 328 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: on his own. He had a couple of good seasons, 329 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: you know, the one with Minnesota, with the Minnesota miracle 330 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: at the end of that was a really good you know, 331 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: quarterback year by case Keenum. So you know, when when 332 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: you drop the typical backup quarterback, I think Keenum is 333 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: you know, a guy to the top of that list. 334 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: Not true bisky talent wise, but certainly you know plenty 335 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: good enough to feel good about that position. Um. You know, 336 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: the Bills paid it like paid him like it too. 337 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean they're at the upper end of backup quarterback 338 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: when it comes to money. So you know, good job 339 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: again by Brandon being finding a way to fit that in. UM. 340 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: And you know, Matt Barkley's fine. You know, I think 341 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: to expect him to fill the Davis Webb role is 342 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: probably not fair because of the way Davis Webb was 343 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: talked about by Brian Dable, especially in all these coaches 344 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: his ability is a practice guy and a future coach. 345 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: You know, not that Barkley doesn't know how to run 346 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: a scout team, but it seemed like Webb did at 347 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: an exorbitantly high level. And you know, having Barkley come 348 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: in and do all of that is probably not something 349 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: that is reasonable to expect. Big scheme, you know, it's 350 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: not that big a deal. And I think, you know, 351 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: having a guy that Josh Allen's familiar with and is 352 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: comfortable with. And you know, I think that quarterback room. 353 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: I remember talking to Ken Dorsey in training camp last year. 354 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: You know he liked keeping the quarterback room light and fun. 355 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 1: And you know, not that case, Keenom is not going 356 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: to be light and fun. But bringing Barkley in, a 357 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: guy that you know Allen is familiar with, knows that 358 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: how to get along with those you will get along with, 359 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: I think that benefits the group as a whole. Yeah, 360 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: it brings familiarity back to the room for sure. And 361 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: I think what Bill's fans have to remember is Mitchell 362 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: Trubisky in every way, shape and form, was an outright 363 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: luxury to have as a backup quarterback. To try to 364 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: duplicate that year over year that might be more difficult 365 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: than fill in any other backup position in the league. 366 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a pure and utter luxury that 367 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: you caught a guy who wanted to take a breath 368 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: on his career, try to reset things, getting a successful 369 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: situation behind, you know, a world class quarterback, and then 370 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: go out and make his money the next year. And 371 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: you know he's done that, and if he can be 372 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: the starter long term, it's gonna be looking at twenty 373 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: seven million dollars in his pocket in the next couple 374 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: of years. So uh, it worked out for him. Now, 375 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's where case Keenum's going, but I 376 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: guess my point is you could, even though he's not 377 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky, you could do a whole lot worse than 378 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: Case Keenum as a backup quarterback option. Let's go to 379 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: the phones though, at eight o three five fifty one 380 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Leading us off 381 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: today is Louie in California. What you got first, Louis, Louis, 382 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah? I turned down your radio. Might 383 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: have to turn this stun Yeah, I think you're s okay. 384 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you on hold. Louis. You figure out 385 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: your phone and your radio and you turn it down 386 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: and we'll get back to you when we can. Um 387 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: So corner here, Fad is on the minds of a 388 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: lot of Bills fans for basically the fact that it 389 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: hasn't been and addressed, and Levi Wallace is now out 390 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: the door. As you mentioned, we're like what nine days 391 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: into free agency with the market being open, so there 392 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: is plenty of time to get that addressed, and there's 393 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: also a good cornerback class in the draft coming down 394 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the pike. Here. My question to you, though, is would 395 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: you be satisfied with a one or the other scenario 396 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: or do you think cornerback is a position that has 397 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: to be addressed both in free agency and the draft. 398 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: I'm satisfied one or the other. I really believe in 399 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: Dane Jackson as a starter, and I guess let meet 400 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: to back up a little bit again, the question is 401 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: what is Trey White's status? Is he gonna be on 402 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: the field week one? You know? Is he gonna be 403 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: on the field weak one at sixty ninety or is 404 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: he gonna be on the field weak ten? You know? 405 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: Then that changes the opinion for me because if Trey 406 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: White is going to be able to play, and I 407 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be fair this year to expect 408 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: him to play at his normal level. Generally the first 409 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: year off that injury is not the same is what 410 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: the guy was before that. But the bottom line is, 411 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: if he's good to go week one, he's gonna play. 412 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: So then to me, you've got one starter spot occupied. 413 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: I think Dan Jackson can be the other one. I 414 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: don't feel a dying need to throw a ton of 415 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: resources there when you know all the two positions that 416 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: I think are big needs right now, I'd rather addressed Guard, 417 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, because it's really Roger Staffeld and Cody Ford, 418 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: who at this point I think the Bills look at 419 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: as as hope in a dream, trying to get back 420 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: what they saw on him in the draft. Maybe Aaron 421 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: Kromer can unlock that, but there's not a lot there 422 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: at Guard. And you know, you want to talk about 423 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: the fastball. The Bill has done a decent job addressing 424 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: it on the outside of Oj Howard and Jameson Crowd 425 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: and Isaiah McKenzie. But I think having that pass protection aspect, 426 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, locked up and you know, the cracks kind 427 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: of cocked up a little bit more, I think is 428 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: a bigger priority than Corner. They're both priorities. So those 429 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: two questions, to me, I think, are those two issues 430 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: are more important than what guy I get at Corner 431 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: or where I get them. I'd probably I'm gonna be 432 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: fine with, you know, whatever one million dollars veteran minimum 433 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: corner you can sign, and then yeah, I want to 434 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: get one in the draft, But I'm not dying to 435 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: chase one to pick twenty five or even on day two. 436 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: If the board works out for me that a corner 437 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: I like is available when I get up there, then 438 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: I write his name on the card and hand it in. 439 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: But I'm not overly upset. Yeah, assuming the Bills get 440 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: someone in free agency or some veteran that I have 441 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: to go and address that in the draft. Yeah, and 442 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, there are vets still sitting out there. 443 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: It looked for whatever reason, the cornerback market. Cornerback market 444 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: has been depressed ever since j C. Jackson side for 445 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: less than top of the market money. So you know, 446 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: once he got his deal and it was below I 447 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: think what some might have expected. His fellow cornerbacks. They 448 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: probably knew the jig was up at that point in 449 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: time and that they were probably going to have to 450 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: take a lot of one year prove it deals, especially 451 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: if they're middle market guys. You have to take a 452 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: one year prove it deal and then try your luck 453 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: in free agency next year when the cap goes up 454 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: considerably and maybe some teams are more willing to part 455 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: with some money to sign you to another year or 456 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: two deal. I don't know. Maybe I'm conservative on this. 457 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: I look, if you're gonna ask me, do I believe 458 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: in Trudavious White, I do one percent. His work ethic 459 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: is too stringent and strict to not expect him to 460 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: make a successful return to the field, But counting on 461 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: it in a game like football, it just gives me pause. 462 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: And you even referenced it. You said, well, we shouldn't 463 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: expect him to be all pro Trudavious White, And so 464 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: now I'm wondering, well, what does that look like? And 465 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: we're playing Tyreek Hill twice a year now, and you 466 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So all these things are running 467 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: through my head and I'm like, why don't we cover 468 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: our bases on that? So there's a part of me 469 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: that really wants them to get a veteran kind of 470 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: like they have like the last few years or so, 471 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, a one year, four or five million dollar contract. 472 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: Hopefully it could be less, because it looks like it's 473 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: trending in that direction right now. You got corners signed 474 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: for one year two and a half, one year three 475 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: and a half. So if you can get it down there, 476 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: I think it's realistic. And I'm not saying you necessarily 477 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: have to go in the first round, but if the 478 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: values right, I don't mind them taking a swing there. 479 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: But if you want to wait until day two, fine, 480 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: you know somebody that maybe can contribute on the back 481 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: half of their rookie year when maybe you are nicked 482 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: up a little bit and you need some help. And look, 483 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm the biggest Dane Jackson fan two and I believe 484 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: he is capable of holding down a starting role that 485 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: that back end did not really miss a beat when 486 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: he came into play for Jordavius after Thanksgiving. It's not 487 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: like he was getting torched or anything. I thought he 488 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: held up rather well, and I think he's only going 489 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: to get better with all the experience he got at 490 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: the tail half of the year along with the playoff games. 491 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm very encouraged by what Dane can bring 492 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: to the field this year. But I think, as we've 493 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: seen more often than not, Brandon Bean tries to provide 494 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: blank coverage at positions as best he can, even before 495 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: he gets to the draft, and knowing that he's done 496 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: that in recent years at cornerback last year notwithstanding, I 497 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: think that before we get to the draft, we may 498 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: see a veteran, a modest veteran cornerback signing, and then 499 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: you know, once you get to the draft, now the 500 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: pressure isn't on to get one that you feel is 501 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: capable of playing, at least to some degree, even as 502 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: a substitute, you know, second team guy as a rookie. 503 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: And that's kind of where I come down on it. One. 504 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: The last one I want to throw by you is 505 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: a position that I think is kind of flying under 506 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: the radar a little bit, and that's linebacker. You've got 507 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: Tremaine and his walk year here. And when you start 508 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: to run down the list of other players who you're 509 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: probably going to have to pay sooner rather than later, 510 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Dawson Knox probably have to do something with Digs. If 511 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: not this offseason, certainly next offseason. You're quickly saying to yourself, well, 512 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: what the hell? And what if Gabe Davis has a 513 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: giant ear? Do you let him go into his walk 514 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,120 Speaker 1: year on his rookie deal or do you take care 515 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: of him? So and then that's two receivers that you're 516 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: paying so very quickly. I'm running out of money here, 517 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: and so I wonder do they do they draft somebody 518 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: just to get in the pipeline. I know they like 519 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: Tyrell Dotson, but do they draft somebody in the pipeline 520 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: here to be an eventual successor if they quickly realize 521 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: fiscally they're not going to have the money to pay 522 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: Tremaine Enmonds. Yeah, I think I would bet pretty heavily 523 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: on a probably a Day one but it wouldn't stun 524 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: me but a Day one or two linebacker in this 525 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: draft for that very reason. I mean, you look at 526 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: the way the Bill's roster is constructed and paid. I 527 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: mean they've they've paid both their safeties and this year 528 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 1: they're paying both their linebackers. I mean that's those are 529 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: not two positions that you put high on the list 530 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: of you know, spots where I want to be paying 531 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: eight figure tracks to more than one player, And the 532 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: Bills are gonna do that essentially this year, so you know, 533 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: going away from that going forward, when you have a 534 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: big quarterback contract that's going to start essentially kicking in 535 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: next year. I think it's something the Bills would would 536 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: hope and want to do, and I mean maybe they 537 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: don't even have to go Day one or two of 538 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: the draft. They landed Matt Mlane in Round five. But 539 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: I think I totally agree that linebacker is going to 540 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: be a priority in the draft, and finding someone who 541 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: could be at least, you know, allows you to have 542 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: an option. You know, if you decide that Tremaine Edmonds 543 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: is a guy that you can't afford to keep around 544 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: long term with the money, he probably will command. All Right, 545 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: we gotta take a break here because when we come back, 546 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna be joined by Bill's newest tight end, O J. Howard. 547 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: It'll be joining at than and I here next on 548 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: One Bills Live presented by Kelli to help. It's Buffalo 549 00:26:46,920 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live 550 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: here on a Friday. Chris Brown and Thad Brown with you, 551 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: and please to be joined now by the Bill's newest 552 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: tight end on the roster. It is free agent signy 553 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: OJ Howard joining us on the show. OJ, great to 554 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 1: have you. Welcome to Buffalo. Congratulations on the deal. M. 555 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: I want to start here, and you know, it's kind 556 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: of an oversimplified question, but why Buffalo? Maybe just explain 557 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: your decision making? Yeah, you know, originally and honestly, Buffalo 558 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: wasn't really a team who was on my list of 559 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: teams because it just was over my head. I never 560 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: really looked down and sat down and looked at it 561 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: on paper. Um, and then you know, my agent reached 562 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: out and the team had mutual interest in myself. So, um, 563 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: they were looking to you know, bringing an extra tight end, 564 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: you know, to go a lot more to tight end, 565 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: SAIDs hopefully. And um, you know I saw, I knew 566 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: Dawson Knox was there and what type of player he was, 567 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: and I only could imagine, you know, what could happen 568 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: with my talents and Josh at to him. So it 569 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: just was a perfect situation once I looked at it 570 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: on paper. Oh, Jay, you talked about in the interview 571 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: when you first joined the Bills about wanting to play 572 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: with and for a team that has Super Bowl aspirations. 573 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: And you're not the only guy that's mentioned that this 574 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: year and even last year. You've already been on a 575 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: team that's gone to the super Bowl. So if you 576 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: got Bills players who want to take that last step, 577 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: get over that last time And they said you, o, J, 578 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: you know, what does it take to win a championship? 579 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: What would your answer be? You know, like the guys 580 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: are so close, Um, like we've all seen in the 581 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: last two years. Um, you know, so I think that 582 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 1: the effort, the toughness there and all those things. It 583 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: may just be little details. There's always something so small 584 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: that's always holding you know, a team back from greatness 585 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: or achieving the ultimate goals. You know, who knows what 586 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: that may be. Um, this year will be a whole 587 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: new I think it as a team, so we're gonna 588 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 1: have to figure out what we're going to be. And 589 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: once we do that and embrace it, I think we 590 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: can get the job done. Once you realize the Bills 591 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: had mutual interest, did your mind immediately go back to 592 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: that game back in Week fourteen? I mean the Bills 593 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: were down big, and I mean with your guy's success 594 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, you probably thought you had 595 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: the thing in the bag. Um. What impressed you the 596 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: most about that second half comeback effort with respect to 597 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: the offense that you realized you were now going to 598 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: be a part of. Yeah, I remember playing his day. 599 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: I was sitting there and like you said, we were 600 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: up big in that game, and all of a sudden, 601 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: the Bills started chippinge at that league Josh hit a 602 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: pastor Dawson for chess out in the rid zone and 603 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: they made some big plays from some other players. And 604 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: then you know, Josh and sold a lot of residency 605 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: and toughness, grit, and that's what I knew that these 606 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: guys were for real. And uh, you know already knew 607 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: Josh was a great player, but that was impressive because 608 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: our defense was a really good defense that season. Oh, Jee, 609 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: you've had a pretty rough go of it injury wise. 610 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: You know a lot of the twenty twenty season and 611 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: loss to the Achilles injury, and you talked about that. 612 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: This past year you've kind of redone. You know, the 613 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: way you go about staying healthy and especially when it 614 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: comes to keeping your ankles healthy. Can you talk a 615 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: little bit more about what you do and what you 616 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: do that you think is is better for you the 617 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: last twelve months or so. Absolutely, um, you know, just 618 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: knowing the history of my ankle injuries and that's what 619 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: has always been um, the injuries that I had. So 620 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 1: you know, we attack that injury from the ground up. 621 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: You know, we started with the ankles. The knees work 622 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: the way up for the body because the body works 623 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: in unison, but just to attack the ankle just do 624 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: a lot of single leg kind of put it, you know, 625 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: off and make it do work on its own. And 626 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, as I started to do that, 627 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: I noticed the strengthen those both of those ankles started 628 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: to come stronger. And so just continue to do this 629 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 1: every day and keep increasing the strengthen both ankles. And 630 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: then O, J, I did hear your your comments in 631 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: your press conference after you signed, and you ref friends 632 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: Buffalo's training facility, the sports science department that exists here. 633 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: We had Brandon Bean in studio earlier this week and 634 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: he kind of said, oh, yeah, like his agent had 635 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: mentioned that OJ had found a video clip on YouTube 636 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: about the Bill's facility and that it had intrigued you. 637 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: And this is a this is a club that's big 638 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: on extending players careers and keeping guys healthy. They've been 639 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: one of the healthiest teams in the league the last 640 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: three years running. Brandon Bean, though, sent you another extended 641 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: video to show you even more. Right, he kind of 642 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: he said, oh he liked that video. I got more 643 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: for him. Take a look at this. So in getting 644 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: and getting a bird's eye view of all that they 645 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: do here to promote player health prehab instead of just rehab. 646 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: What is it about the program here that really attracted you? 647 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: And said, you know what, I can be the best 648 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: version of myself here. Yeah. My agent he just kept 649 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: telling me like, hey, I heard these guys have like 650 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: some great you know, recovery stuff and the facilities are 651 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: pretty top notch. So I just want to YouTube is like, 652 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: let me look it up. And I saw my eyes. 653 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: I was like, wow. It was a cryo chamber, um, 654 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: the full time massage therapist coming in, the yoga teacher 655 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: on Mondays, all those different things um, that were offered 656 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: at the facility that usually you have to go offer 657 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: and get yourself right. Um. So there, let's me know. Now, 658 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: this organization believes into players. They put you in a 659 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: position to be successful. You just have to take advantage 660 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: of it. And what else more could you ask for, 661 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: um from an organization and that and I got my 662 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: attention right there. Oh, Jo, you were a first round 663 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: pick of the Bucks back in twenty seventeen, came into 664 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: this league with you know, fairly high expectations and for 665 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, I'm sure it probably hasn't worked 666 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: out exactly the way you want to. I know, obviously, 667 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: you know, the main goal coming to Buffalo, and really 668 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: no matter where you went to would be to win 669 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: and you know, win Super Bowls. But for you as 670 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: an individual, you know, this is a big season for 671 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: your career. You know, what do you want to accomplish? 672 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: What kind of you know player do you want to 673 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: be this year on your own you're in Buffalo. Yeah, 674 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I just want to come in and be playmaker that 675 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: I know I can be. Um. Um, when I'm healthy 676 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: and I'm making plays, I can help help the team 677 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: win games. And that was my mindset for any team 678 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: coming into free agency. I told him, you know, I'm 679 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: a playmaker, and here they have guys already around other 680 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: playmakers and add myself to the mix. Um, it could 681 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: be really really fun and real special. So, um, I 682 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: just want to go out and put some some of 683 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: my talent, some showcasing and just have a good time 684 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: I doing it. Yeah. And as you can see on 685 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: the screen, you've already got a touchdown in this stadium, 686 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,239 Speaker 1: so uh it's not like, uh, success is foreign ty 687 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: on even this home field. Now my question though, is 688 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: number eight, Um, give me the give me the decision 689 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: making process there and why you're going single digit now. Yeah. Man, 690 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: So you know in college I wore eighty eight obviously Alabama, 691 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: and then um, once I got to the NFL, ady 692 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: was taken in Tampa, so I would I went to 693 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: number eighty. It was available. Um. You know, over the 694 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: last few years, as we spoke on earlier, my career 695 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: really hasn't been what I really hope it's the most 696 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 1: to be of injuries being affecting me. Um. So the 697 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: number ages came from just taking away he wanted the 698 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: eights off to eighty eight, taking away the zero of 699 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: the eighty, and just dropping down the number eight. Um. 700 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's just a new fresh start for me. 701 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: And the number eight means a lot when you look 702 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: it up in an America term, So a lot of 703 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: that played a role for me. It's just the thing 704 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: for me that I'm having for myself, just to get 705 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: a fresh start and start over new. Yeah. It looks faster. 706 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 1: It looks faster than eighty. Yeah, absolutely it does. So 707 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: it should be exciting. Man. I'm so it was cool 708 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: to get that number when it was available. Um. When 709 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: Jeff the Quick manager told me about it, I was like, hey, 710 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: let's do it, man, it's gonna be pretty cool. It 711 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: looks good. Yeah. I had eight in high school, by 712 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 1: the way, so you're already on a good track. Twelve 713 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: catches I led my team high school senior year man, 714 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: so good, hey man, there is let me ask you quick, 715 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, as the the Rochester guy here in the group. 716 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: We talked about this just before we came on on 717 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 1: the air. Here. Um, it warmed my heart to hear 718 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: you mention that you're looking forward to not only Buffalo 719 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: Wings with the Bills, but garbage plates, which is the 720 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: Rochester delicacy of choice. Please lay everyone out the history 721 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: you have with garbage plates, and and um, you know 722 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: how much how they ended up on the same line 723 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: in terms of your interest level coming to Buffalo were 724 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: also getting after those wings. Yeah, so you know a 725 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: quick story with it. I told my Achilles in twenty 726 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: twenty put me off of the season. So I had 727 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: downtown and I was watching football and Tampa we had 728 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: just won a NFC championship. So the Bills came over 729 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: next and went over to watch the NFC championship in 730 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and my Bills faces in my neighborhood, a 731 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: whole bunch of them to introduced me to the garbage place, 732 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is this whole bunch of 733 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: whole bunch of looked like mess. But when I when 734 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: I've been into it and ate it, it was the 735 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: best thing I ever had. And they were like, this 736 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 1: is a late night food. Don't make it a consistent habit. 737 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: I said, I won't do that. Yeah, I gotta try 738 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: one again. So I only had it one time, So 739 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: I want to go get the real deal up in Rochester. 740 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to training camp and doing that. Yeah, 741 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: y'all hear that in Buffalo, he says the best thing 742 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: he ever had. The number one guy. Now I gotta know, 743 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: So did you get did you go burger? Play? Did 744 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: they make you a cheeseburger? Play? Like? What kind of play? 745 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: Because the meat is like your choice on top? So 746 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: what did you what did they give you? Right? I've 747 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: actually I had I did have a cheeseburger, and I 748 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: think I had a hot dog, right, Okay, Then there's like, yeah, 749 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: I had a hot dog on the side of mine. 750 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: I had. I had so much meat, That's what I 751 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: was like, what is this? And obviously the the the 752 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: everything that comes on the bottom of it. What is 753 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: all because home fried, you got home fries, you got 754 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: baked beans on there, and yeah, Max salad is the 755 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: other popular. I couldn't remember it was chili or break beans, 756 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's right, baked beans. So I mean it's 757 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: just like you being at home at Alabama for barbecue, 758 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: but all of it on a palace. So yeah, growing 759 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: all together. Well, well, listen, OJ, we'll be sure that 760 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: you get that opportunity in training camp. I'm sure there'll 761 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: be plenty of people willing to point you in the 762 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: right direction. But as you said yourself, that's like a 763 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: one time thing. Don't make it a habit. Maybe wait 764 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: until the end of the season. One before the season, 765 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: maybe one after the season, and one during the bye week. 766 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: That'll be about it, and then you'll be good. And 767 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't want the strength and conditioning guys yelling at 768 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: you around here, so I'm not I'm not getting in 769 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,439 Speaker 1: trouble for that. But listen, thanks very much for the time. 770 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: It was good to meet you. We look forward to 771 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,280 Speaker 1: seeing you out here in the spring when you guys 772 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: come back late April. All right, absolutely, guys, thank you 773 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,959 Speaker 1: guys so much. All right, that's OJ Howard Bill's newest 774 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: tight end. We'll take a break here, be back with 775 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: more on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health. 776 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All Right, welcome back to One 777 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: Bills Live. Chris Brown, Thad Brown with you here on 778 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: a Friday, and we'd be remiss if we did not 779 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 1: address the press conference that just finished up in Cleveland, 780 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: as Deshaun Watson, after passing his physical and signing his 781 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,919 Speaker 1: contract today with the Cleveland Browns, met the media in 782 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland and said he's eager to show people who he 783 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: really is. He said he was caught by surprise when 784 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: all of these allegations came out from twenty two different women. Okay, 785 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: as we know he's not. He was not criminally charged 786 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,399 Speaker 1: or indicted in either of two grand jury hearings over 787 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and that's what prompted the 788 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 1: trade in the first place. But some of his comments, 789 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 1: and they don't make me feel the whole thing makes 790 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable to begin with. I did find it interesting, though, Thad, 791 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: that GM Andrew Berry did say the Cleveland Browns were 792 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: organization does recognize that this transaction, this trade has made 793 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: women in the Cleveland community uncomfortable. He understands why that 794 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: is the case. But this is not something you just 795 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: wash off with soap. No, it's gonna be the stinct 796 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: from This is going to be very hard for the 797 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: Browns and to Shaun Watson to distance himself from now, 798 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, going through the Twitter feed and then the 799 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: comments that Watson made, one of the things that did 800 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 1: kind of stand out to me is that although so 801 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 1: many things that he has said, not only today but 802 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: but prior to today, and his you know, attorney group 803 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: has has set on his behalf, he still does have 804 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: twenty two civil cases he's got to face. So he 805 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: can't really come out here and say, yeah, you know, 806 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: I feel bad about what I did, because if he 807 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 1: does that, you know, becomes something that will probably hurt 808 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: him in those court cases. So he's gotta he probably 809 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,839 Speaker 1: from a defending himself point of view, and not that 810 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: I'm defending him, but just in terms of a logical 811 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: way to go about being a defendant in those civil cases, 812 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna say I didn't do anything wrong, even 813 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: though it looks about as dumb as it sounds. When 814 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: there are twenty two women out there who are saying, yes, 815 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: you did. And the only his argument is basically that 816 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: all twenty two of those women are liars. I mean, 817 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't sit well with anyone, not only just from 818 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 1: the small microscope of I have twenty two people here 819 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: that I'm going to say all of you are lying 820 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: and I'm telling the truth. But on top of the 821 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: fact of where we are a society trying to improve 822 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: the way women are treated, not only in terrible situations 823 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: like this, but just in general. You know the fact 824 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: that the Shawn Watson, his stance and even to a 825 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: larger degree, the way the Browns have embraced him as 826 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: a new member of their team doesn't reflect accurately with 827 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 1: the tone and the attitude of where this country is 828 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,200 Speaker 1: going with the treatment and the acceptance of women. When 829 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: they make these kind of accusations, it all feels wrong. 830 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: This think is there. It's not going to go away 831 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: for a long time. But I guess Deshaun Watson had 832 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 1: to say what he said today in order to properly 833 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: be a defendant in those cases whenever they happen. Yeah, 834 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,479 Speaker 1: Head coach Kevin Stefanski said they have confidence in the 835 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: work they did to investigate the entire situation. GM Andrew 836 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,799 Speaker 1: Berry said they were advised by their lawyers to not 837 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 1: reach out to any of the twenty two women that 838 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: are making these allegations because it might be considered interfering 839 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,719 Speaker 1: with an investigation. And Deshaun Watson himself said, quote, I 840 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: understand these allegations are serious. I never assaulted any woman. 841 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: I've never disrespected any woman. I was raised to be 842 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: genuine and to respect everyone around me. He also added, 843 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: I've never done the things that these people are alleging. 844 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: Twenty two people is a pretty big group, though, and 845 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: that's tough. That's tough to overcome. And the fact that 846 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: the Browns have taken this step to be better on 847 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: the football field their eyes in light of the fact 848 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: that none of this stuff is resolved, you know, it 849 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: doesn't reflect very well no matter which way you slice 850 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 1: it on the Browns organization. And yet they decided to 851 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: go ahead with it anyway. And Deshaun Watson also said 852 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: that he is not going to settle any one of 853 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: the twenty two civil suits. He said he wants to 854 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: clear his name, so his heels are dug in on this. 855 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: So he's going to be riding this thing out off 856 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: the field, potentially while he's playing games on the field, 857 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,720 Speaker 1: depending on the length of I think what we expect 858 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: to be at least a six game suspension. And you know, 859 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: we can sit here in the middle of March and 860 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: talk about how awful it is, and it is, but 861 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: the truth is, and even I feel bad about even 862 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,959 Speaker 1: pointing us out, there have been examples of guys who 863 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: have had similar not in terms of the number of accusations, 864 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: but similar seriousness in terms of the things that have 865 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: been alleged against them. And those players have returned to 866 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: teams and have been rooted for and have been heroes. 867 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: One of them was just traded to Miami in a 868 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: move that I'm sure Dolphins fans are hailing as something 869 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: great for them. And the truth is is that when 870 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: we get to September and Deshaun Watson starts winning games, 871 00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: assuming he's on the field, and he will win games 872 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: because he's still a very good quarterbacker, at least was 873 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, last time he played, you know, the stench 874 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,240 Speaker 1: from this and the angst about this is going to decrease. 875 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,600 Speaker 1: If not, you know, go away to the level that's 876 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 1: gone away with Tyree Kill and Kareem Hunt, and I 877 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: wish is the wrong term. I hope at some point 878 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: we get to a level not only as an NFL 879 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: but more as a This is not about the NFL 880 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: being willing to do this. This is about us as 881 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: fans not wanting to willing to accept the fact that 882 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: this guy is so talented that we're going to overlook 883 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: what he is as a person. And you know, to 884 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: be honest, you know, there doesn't mean that every other 885 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: guy in the NFL than the three I named are angels. 886 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: You know, everybody has issues and they're all human beings 887 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: and and you know, being able to, you know, overlook 888 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: that to a degree I think is part of being human. 889 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: But regardless, this country, and I try to reference it 890 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, is trying to change the way 891 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: that we, you know, understand and treat women. And you know, 892 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 1: being allowing Watson to play and paying in this darn 893 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: contract is not consistent with that, and it feels wrong 894 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: in so many ways. And until we as a fan group, 895 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: and I mean we, I mean all of us across 896 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,560 Speaker 1: the NFL stand up and say this is not something 897 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,719 Speaker 1: we're going to tolerate. We're going to tolerate it when 898 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 1: he starts winning games September. Yeah, it's interesting because there 899 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,160 Speaker 1: was a little bit of a social media push on 900 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: the part of Browns fans, particularly female Browns fans, where 901 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,879 Speaker 1: they basically said, we're jumping ship. Convince us that your 902 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: team is the right one to follow. And there were 903 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,239 Speaker 1: a lot of Bills Mafia members coming out of the 904 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: woodwork saying, come down the through way, We're happy to 905 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: have you. There's room on board to be fans of 906 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: our club if you don't want to be fans of 907 00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: the Browns anymore. And light of the quarterback Ack was 908 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: and your team made. So how much does that actually 909 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: come to fruition? And if and when he starts winning games, 910 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: does he pull those people back Because what happens on 911 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: the field carries the day. I don't know, we'll have 912 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,439 Speaker 1: to see. I mean, everybody's different, but you're right, more 913 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: often than not, when a player is instrumental in helping 914 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: his team win games, it seems like all is forgotten. 915 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,399 Speaker 1: People forgot a long time ago, the stuff that Ben 916 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger was dealing with off the field with a woman 917 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: who made some pretty scathing allegations as well. And you 918 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: know before we knew it. It It all faded into the 919 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: background after he had two Super Bowls under his belt. 920 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,160 Speaker 1: So it has happened before. I hate to say it, 921 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,000 Speaker 1: but I fear it will probably happen again. And look, 922 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: the guy's got the right to his day in court 923 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 1: with these civil suits, so I guess we'll just have 924 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,479 Speaker 1: to wait for those to kind of iron themselves out 925 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,479 Speaker 1: and we'll take it from there. We have to take 926 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: a break here though, because when we come back, senior 927 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 1: producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosell, will be joining us 928 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: as we begin our draft prep. It's still over a 929 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: month away, but we're closing in on the one month 930 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 1: March before NFL Draft twenty twenty two takes place, giving 931 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,799 Speaker 1: over some of the receiving prospects in the draft with 932 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,719 Speaker 1: him next. He's been cranking the film out, so we'll 933 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,520 Speaker 1: see what he has to say about some of them next. 934 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: Here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collid to Health, 935 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio at a Steve Tasker who has 936 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: been all over the fields. Kind of unique. He was 937 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: kind of a dual role player for you, Steve, Steve 938 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: a blimp. We're not even in the straggere of normalcy. 939 00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: All right, here we are our number two on a day, 940 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: and this isn't an unfamiliar time slot for our next guest, 941 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: Chris Brown Thad Brown with you here on One Bill's Live, 942 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:12,080 Speaker 1: but joining us now senior producer from NFL Films. He 943 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: joins us around this time every Friday during the regular season, 944 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: it is Greg Cosell joining us to talk NFL Draft 945 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,479 Speaker 1: where just over a month away. Greg, are you gonna 946 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: have enough time to cram film on three hundred some 947 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: odd people. Well, first, I'm gonna have to change my 948 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,359 Speaker 1: name to Brown just to do this segment. We got 949 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: enough Browns. You know, I'm getting a little worn out. 950 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: You know, I'm still working seven days a week, trying 951 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 1: to grind through guys. And you know, it's like when 952 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,000 Speaker 1: I go to the bookstore. I'll hope to go to 953 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: the bookstore, and I just get aggravated because there's a 954 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,359 Speaker 1: thousand books I'll never read, and I feel like there's, 955 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, two hundred players I'm not going to get 956 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 1: to see, and I'll probably still get to see two hundred, 957 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: but there'll be two hundred more of that. It'll just 958 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,720 Speaker 1: aggravate me. That I won't get to see their tape, 959 00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:01,720 Speaker 1: but hey, I'm only a one man scouting service, you know. Greg. 960 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,120 Speaker 1: Before we move on to the draft, go over some 961 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: of the guys that the Bill's grabbed in free agency. 962 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,240 Speaker 1: I think the number one player obviously is Von Miller, 963 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, and he's been a Hall of Famer. I mean, 964 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: they probably got a gold jacket made for him already 965 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: right this second, going into his age thirty three season. 966 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: The question is Kenny continue to do it as he 967 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,320 Speaker 1: gets older and gets on the back round of his career. 968 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing I've seen on film that says otherwise. What's 969 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: your take on that? I would agree, And it just 970 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: shows you where the NFL game is now, and the 971 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: Bills know that. And there are many ways to forefront 972 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: of it. Is you have to score throwing the football 973 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: with a great quarterback, and you've got to sack the 974 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 1: other quarterback, you know, or put pressure on him. And 975 00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: that's what the game has become. And obviously the Bills 976 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,400 Speaker 1: the last two years have lost twice in the playoffs 977 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: to Patrick Mahomes. So now they've got to beat Patrick 978 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 1: Mahomes and you have to be able to put pressure 979 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: on him. And make him play in a way he 980 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: doesn't want to play. And they needed to increase our 981 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: ability to rush the quarterback. You know, they get close 982 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: to the quarterback, but they haven't had the finisher. And 983 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,320 Speaker 1: I think they feel that von Miller is the finisher. 984 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: And there was nothing to suggest, based on his time 985 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,359 Speaker 1: with the Rams anyway, that he can't still do that. 986 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 1: And my guess is he's probably pretty rejuvenated because you know, 987 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,560 Speaker 1: I think a lot of players want to come to 988 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,439 Speaker 1: Buffalo because they feel Josh Allen gives you a chance 989 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,360 Speaker 1: to play in a Super Bowl. Right, And since that 990 00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: asked one free agency question, I'll bounce one more off 991 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,360 Speaker 1: you before we get into these receivers in the draft. 992 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: I was telling that earlier that I'm kind of intrigued 993 00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,080 Speaker 1: by all the defensive tackles that rolled in here. De 994 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: Quan Jones, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, and I think that 995 00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: you got a bunch of pile movers here, Greg. I mean, 996 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: these are the guys that are coming off the you 997 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,919 Speaker 1: want coming off the furniture moving truck when you're moving 998 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,480 Speaker 1: out of your house. Which one do you think maybe 999 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: changes the line of scrimmage battle the most for the Bills. Defensively, 1000 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: who do you think could have the most impact of 1001 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 1: those newcomers. I realized Jordan Place has been here before. 1002 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, to me, the most intriguing of the trio 1003 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 1: is Tim Settle because I think Tim Settle he came 1004 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,759 Speaker 1: into the league he was overweight and they had to 1005 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: get his weight down because Tim Settle's one of those 1006 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: guys that actually has really light feet, he just was overweight. 1007 00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: And I remember the year he came into the league. 1008 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,840 Speaker 1: I believe Jim Tomsula, who's a very well respected D 1009 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: line coach, was the D line coach in Washington at 1010 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200 Speaker 1: the time, and I remember him telling me that this 1011 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: guy was really, really talented, you know, as talented a 1012 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: D tackle as he'd seen, and he'd been in the 1013 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: NFL for a long time. So to me, of the three, 1014 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,280 Speaker 1: he's the most intriguing just because I think he theoretically 1015 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: can be more than just a road grader and a 1016 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,520 Speaker 1: run stuff All right, Greg, Let's move on to the draft, 1017 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: and one of the position groups that's gotten a lot 1018 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: of tension up here in Buffalo is the wide receiver group, 1019 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,839 Speaker 1: and as always seemingly these days, it looks like a 1020 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,680 Speaker 1: very deep class, and before we get any individual player, 1021 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,600 Speaker 1: I wanted your take on receiver in general because of 1022 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 1: the depth that we've seen the last couple of years. 1023 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,240 Speaker 1: You know, my philosophy on it has been you almost 1024 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,920 Speaker 1: don't want to take the first guy because the receiver 1025 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: you get at ten versus the receiver you get a 1026 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,800 Speaker 1: picked thirty versus the receiver you get a pick fifty 1027 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: are so close. I'd rather get to pick fifty guy 1028 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,160 Speaker 1: because my value is going to be better. Now. That 1029 00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: take was wrong last year because Jamar Chase and the 1030 00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: guys in the top of the draft were fantastic. But 1031 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,920 Speaker 1: what's your opinion been on the receiver groups that have 1032 00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,880 Speaker 1: come out the last few years, because it seems like 1033 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: every single year there's eight, ten, twelve guys who can 1034 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: really play at the next level. Yeah, and I think 1035 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: very often receivers who are in the eye of the beholder, 1036 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: and very often they're scheme dependent because NFL coaches think 1037 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,080 Speaker 1: in terms of scheme adaptability as much as anything. So, 1038 00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, I think that you're always going to find 1039 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,680 Speaker 1: receivers that can play. You know, someone like Jamar Chase 1040 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,120 Speaker 1: is truly special. I'm not sure there's that guy in 1041 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,520 Speaker 1: this draft. I guess we will know that untill they 1042 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,960 Speaker 1: play in the league. But I think everybody pretty much 1043 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,840 Speaker 1: thought Jamar Chase was going to be a special player. 1044 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure everybody thought, and I'm just being honest, 1045 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure everybody thought that Justin Jefferson was going 1046 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,120 Speaker 1: to be that guy. It's easy now after two years 1047 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,240 Speaker 1: to say, oh, sure, that's easy. I mean, he played 1048 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 1: almost exclusively in the slot his last year at LSU, 1049 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: and I think there were questions among many smart, reasonable 1050 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,839 Speaker 1: people as to whether he was an outside receiver, and 1051 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,240 Speaker 1: he's proven to be, so, you know, sometimes that happens. 1052 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,800 Speaker 1: But there are certainly a lot of receivers in this draft. 1053 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: I find it difficult to, you know, to compare receivers. 1054 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's very hard to compare, you know, 1055 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 1: a five eleven hundred and eighty five pound receiver to 1056 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,279 Speaker 1: a six two hundred twenty pound receiver. You know, I 1057 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: think that their thought of differently by scouting departments and 1058 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: personnel evaluators, and very often in their deployment within the 1059 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,919 Speaker 1: context of an offense. Well, let's jump into the group here. 1060 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,240 Speaker 1: I know you gave us some of the top names 1061 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,680 Speaker 1: when we met with you out at the Combine a 1062 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. We're gonna kind of mix in 1063 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: some of the names we didn't get to the last time. 1064 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,799 Speaker 1: And the first one I'm going to throw at you 1065 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,879 Speaker 1: is Jamison Williams, the Alabama receiver who unfortunately had an 1066 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: ACL tear in the National Title Game non contact injury. 1067 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, I've heard doctors say, and look, I'm not 1068 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,799 Speaker 1: a doctor, and I'm not going to pretend to be, 1069 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: but those kinds of orthopedic surgeons have said the non 1070 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:43,600 Speaker 1: contact ones are usually straight, no frills repairs, which tend 1071 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: to lead to faster recoveries. Now, every case is different, 1072 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,359 Speaker 1: but I think that's certainly the hope. If you're an 1073 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,920 Speaker 1: NFL team that's interested in this guy, Well, there are 1074 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,080 Speaker 1: not many receivers Chris with his flat out vertical speed 1075 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 1: and big playability, and that makes them an impact, see 1076 00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,080 Speaker 1: you from a game changer, and every coach wants a 1077 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 1: game changer. You know, when I was at the Combine 1078 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,319 Speaker 1: in talking to offensive coaches, the number one thing they 1079 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 1: now talk about, you know, years ago they say, well 1080 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,280 Speaker 1: they got to establish the run, you know, all that stuff. 1081 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,960 Speaker 1: Now they say, we need explosive plays, and Jamison Williams 1082 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,359 Speaker 1: can give you explosive plays. Um. I mean he has 1083 00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,280 Speaker 1: that natural quickness and explosiveness. Uh, it's it just jumps 1084 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:29,120 Speaker 1: off the film. Um. He lined up both inside and outside, 1085 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:33,600 Speaker 1: so you know, let's assume health. He will get healthy. Um. Now, 1086 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,799 Speaker 1: guys do come back from acl tears, they and they 1087 00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,279 Speaker 1: do play. So he's got accelerating, deep speed. He can 1088 00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,279 Speaker 1: get on top of and run away from corners. He 1089 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,759 Speaker 1: did that consistently in college. My guess is he'll do 1090 00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 1: that in the NFL as well, so you know he's 1091 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: he's going I can't say where he's going to get drafted, 1092 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:57,040 Speaker 1: but that kind of receiver is always in high demand. 1093 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,359 Speaker 1: Do you see receivers in high real quick I just 1094 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:01,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do a follow up on that. Do you 1095 00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: think that he is better suited inside because of his 1096 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,480 Speaker 1: very narrow frame? I mean DeVante Smith, you know, a 1097 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: former Alabama guy has proven to be a productive guy 1098 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 1: outside despite a thin frame. How does his thin frame 1099 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:20,040 Speaker 1: impact where he might fit best? Do you think? Just 1100 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: think of it this way, Chris, He's twenty pounds heavier Smith, 1101 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,920 Speaker 1: which is remarkable. I don't think that's a factor. I 1102 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: think the way teams move receivers around now put guys 1103 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: in motion. You know, he's obviously a guy you would 1104 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,399 Speaker 1: love to use in motion because you'd love to get 1105 00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,239 Speaker 1: him free access where he can really accelerate with that 1106 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: speed right off the snap. But I don't think that's 1107 00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: a big factor. I think, with very few exceptions, do 1108 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: coaches think, oh, he's only a slot, he's only an 1109 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,959 Speaker 1: outside guy. I think the game has changed and there's 1110 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:58,319 Speaker 1: just been an advancement in offensive thinking. Another skill set 1111 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,720 Speaker 1: that has been in demand seems lately in the NFL 1112 00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,279 Speaker 1: is the ability to separate. And I think sky Moore, 1113 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,720 Speaker 1: a guy who I guess is projected early second round 1114 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,400 Speaker 1: from Western Michigan, as a guy who has those traits, 1115 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: I mean, exceptionally quick, great burst. The big question that 1116 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: I would have with him and is that this is 1117 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: a smaller guy who played in the MAC not at 1118 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,040 Speaker 1: a Polar five school. Is there a concern with him, 1119 00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,319 Speaker 1: I guess size wise being able to you know, get 1120 00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: off press coverage and being able to function to the 1121 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,279 Speaker 1: NFL where you know you're gonna get bigger, faster guys 1122 00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,719 Speaker 1: every single week of the year. Yeah, Now he's under 1123 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:32,840 Speaker 1: five ten. Now he's compact. He's got a compact frame, 1124 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,959 Speaker 1: and he was physically and competitively tough. I mean, that's 1125 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: one thing that really stood at watching his tape. He 1126 00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,360 Speaker 1: ran a ton of slant routes, a ton of glance routes. 1127 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,360 Speaker 1: He did play on the outside a lot at Western Michigan, 1128 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,360 Speaker 1: of course, a lesser conference. In fact, forty three of 1129 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,440 Speaker 1: his ninety five catches this past year came when he 1130 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,560 Speaker 1: was aligned outside at number one. I don't know if 1131 00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,760 Speaker 1: he'd played outside that often in the NFL. My guess 1132 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 1: is he'd play more snaps inside. But the physical competitiveness, 1133 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:11,439 Speaker 1: the toughness, you know, I think that he's got he's 1134 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,400 Speaker 1: got quickness to him. I kept going back and forth 1135 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: on him as to whether I thought he was truly 1136 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: sudden or just quick, and there's a difference. But I 1137 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: think that he will probably play more of his snaps 1138 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL inside. That would be my guess. Another 1139 00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,800 Speaker 1: guy that came off a major injury and came back 1140 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,000 Speaker 1: in time to help Georgia in a national championship was 1141 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,880 Speaker 1: George Pickens. I mean six three in a quarter one 1142 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: ninety five, so not huge, but tall, ran a four 1143 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: four seven, Greg, And I know that, you know, people 1144 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,960 Speaker 1: down at Georgia have told me that he's clocked as 1145 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,120 Speaker 1: low as four four prior to the injury. Do you 1146 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 1: think they take that time with a grain of salt 1147 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,360 Speaker 1: because he's less than a year removed from the knee injury. Well, 1148 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,680 Speaker 1: first of all, I love George Pickens tape. I loved him. 1149 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,080 Speaker 1: I watched his tape from his first season in twenty 1150 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,400 Speaker 1: nineteen when he was really good and he you know, 1151 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: as a young player in the SEC. I watched all 1152 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: his twenty twenty targets. I personally believe if he was 1153 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,000 Speaker 1: not injured, he'd be a top twelve pick. I think 1154 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,480 Speaker 1: George Pickens is a really high level prospect and he 1155 00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: fits the absolute profile of a boundary ex receiver. He's 1156 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,360 Speaker 1: explosive both off the ball and into his rout stem. 1157 00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: He eats up space in a hurry. He's got stride 1158 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,240 Speaker 1: length because he's six three, he's got build up speed. 1159 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,840 Speaker 1: He ran by SEC corners. He's got really good ball skills. 1160 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,640 Speaker 1: He makes tough contested catches. He has a wide catching 1161 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,880 Speaker 1: radius because he's big. I think George Pickens has it all. 1162 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I think it also says a lot 1163 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 1: about him, Chris that he came back to play. He 1164 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,080 Speaker 1: did not need to do that, you know, because I'm 1165 00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: sure he knew he was coming out. He did not 1166 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: need to come back to play in those final two 1167 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,640 Speaker 1: three games. And he made a couple of big catches, 1168 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: both in the SEC Championship game, which they obviously lost, 1169 00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,040 Speaker 1: and he also made a very big catch in the 1170 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,200 Speaker 1: National Championship game. So I think that says I don't 1171 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,000 Speaker 1: know George Pickens, but I think it says something about him, 1172 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:22,440 Speaker 1: and I think he's really really a strong prospect. Maybe 1173 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,120 Speaker 1: the biggest Enigma wide receiver wise in the first round 1174 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,200 Speaker 1: might be USC's Drake London. I've seen him projected top ten. 1175 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: I've seen him projected out of the first round, and 1176 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 1: he's got all the size and certainly the contested catchability. 1177 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: Didn't run a forty at the Combine says he's gonna 1178 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,600 Speaker 1: do it at the Pro day. You know, I know 1179 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: that you you know your role and your job is 1180 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,200 Speaker 1: based on watching film. How much are you interested in 1181 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: that forty time at the Pro Day? And then where 1182 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 1: do you land on Drake London? In general? I go 1183 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,560 Speaker 1: back and forth on Drake London. You know, I think 1184 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,440 Speaker 1: that's out. He's got certain traits. He's smooth, he's savvy, 1185 00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,320 Speaker 1: he's got an excellent feel for creating space. He finds 1186 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: voyds in zone. There's no question he has great body control, 1187 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,480 Speaker 1: really good hands. He can go above the rim and 1188 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 1: make catches. He can do all that exceptionally well. But 1189 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,920 Speaker 1: there's no real juice to him at all. There's no twitch, 1190 01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 1: there's no suddenness to his movement. He's an upright runner. 1191 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,960 Speaker 1: He's a little tight and stiff as as a route runner. 1192 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,240 Speaker 1: So there's some positives and there's some negatives. I'm not 1193 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 1: real good with saying where guys should be drafted, but 1194 01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: I did not come away watching his tape feeling as 1195 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,760 Speaker 1: if he was a top ten or top twelve pick 1196 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: in a draft. Now, I almost came away watched from 1197 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,560 Speaker 1: watching his tape guys thinking he might be better off 1198 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: playing inside. And the player I thought of when I 1199 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,520 Speaker 1: finished watching Drake London was Marcus Colston. And you know, 1200 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm never certain, and maybe I'll be wrong on this, 1201 01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,720 Speaker 1: and if hey, I hope he makes it. I have 1202 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: no horse in the race. But I'm never certain exactly 1203 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,880 Speaker 1: how to deal with guys whose ms contested catches, particularly 1204 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,800 Speaker 1: in a conference that does not have a lot of 1205 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,200 Speaker 1: good corners. So I'm not exactly sure. Is that a 1206 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,040 Speaker 1: good thing? Yeah? I mean, obviously he's got really good hands, 1207 01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: great body control, and he can go above the rim 1208 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,640 Speaker 1: and that's really good. But can you make a living 1209 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL making contested catches on the outside. I've 1210 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,560 Speaker 1: seen people I respect, we all respect, compare him to 1211 01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: Mike Evans and Mike Williams. I must be honest, I 1212 01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,040 Speaker 1: don't see that at all. I don't think he has 1213 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: that kind of juice at all. What about Michael Pittman? 1214 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Would you compare him to that? Or is even that 1215 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:43,240 Speaker 1: a stretch? Well, Michael Pittman is a bigger man, and 1216 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,640 Speaker 1: I thought Michael Pittman was a better prospect. Yeah, that's me, okay. 1217 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,200 Speaker 1: I was just curious. I was just curious because I've 1218 01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: heard some people do that, and I don't know if 1219 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,800 Speaker 1: that's because of the USC thing or whatever, But in 1220 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:59,120 Speaker 1: any event, I found I found that interesting. Small school guy, 1221 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:04,520 Speaker 1: Jay and Tolbert, South Alabama six one an eight one 1222 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: ninety four. He's got ten inch hands, Greg ten inch 1223 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,640 Speaker 1: hands for a receiver, and ran, let's see high four 1224 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,480 Speaker 1: four as I think at the combine. So why don't 1225 01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 1: you give us your thumbnail sketch on whether this kid's 1226 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: got a shot, you know, making a jump from South 1227 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Alabama to the pros. I watched him last summer and 1228 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,560 Speaker 1: his two twenty tape, and I immediately contacted Jim Naggie 1229 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:32,360 Speaker 1: because he's from South Alabama Mobile, you know, which is 1230 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,720 Speaker 1: where Jim is. And I said to him, I said, Jim, 1231 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,880 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard about this guy, but I just watched 1232 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 1: his tape and he's gonna play in the league. And 1233 01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Jim said, oh, yeah, he's gonna play in the league. 1234 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,360 Speaker 1: So of course, then I watched all his tape from 1235 01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:47,280 Speaker 1: this year as well. You know, he's he's a finesse receiver. 1236 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,400 Speaker 1: He's smooth, he's fluid. He'll probably be seen as an 1237 01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:54,320 Speaker 1: outside receiver. Doesn't mean he can't play in the slot. 1238 01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:59,600 Speaker 1: He's got that kind of size lane three level profile 1239 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 1: that probably best maximized when he's free off the line 1240 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,920 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, when he can use that length. He looks 1241 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,520 Speaker 1: taller than a six one in a quarter on tape, 1242 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,760 Speaker 1: but that's what he measured. He's six one in a quarter. 1243 01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: I believe something right around there. Yeah, he's got build 1244 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,040 Speaker 1: up speed, he's got acceleration, so that kind of translates 1245 01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: to some explosiveness feel to his game. I would say 1246 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:28,280 Speaker 1: he's got more long acceleration and short area of separation quickness, 1247 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 1: but he's he has the looking movement of an NFL 1248 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 1: wide out. I noticed that immediately last summer, and my 1249 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,360 Speaker 1: guess is he'll probably be a Day two pick and 1250 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 1: he'll play in the league for sure. Greg, I know 1251 01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,920 Speaker 1: the Bills picking at twenty five might limit their options, 1252 01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,040 Speaker 1: but if you were able to take one receiver and 1253 01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,760 Speaker 1: drop it onto this Buffalo Bills team in terms of fit, 1254 01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:52,840 Speaker 1: and you talk about how important scheme fit can be, 1255 01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,880 Speaker 1: is there a guy that stands out as Wow, this 1256 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,720 Speaker 1: guy would be perfect in this Buffalo offense. Well, I'm 1257 01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:02,240 Speaker 1: as booming that the offense will be similar. Obviously, they 1258 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,520 Speaker 1: have a new coordinator. I can't imagine because if Josh's 1259 01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: comfort clear comfort with what they were doing, that Ken 1260 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,960 Speaker 1: Dorsey will make meaningful changes. They'll probably be some tweaks, 1261 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,760 Speaker 1: but I doubt that the whole methodology will change. Wouldn't 1262 01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,720 Speaker 1: you guys agree with that? Yes? For sure. Yeah. Yeah, 1263 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 1: So I mean, let's look at what they have. They've 1264 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,040 Speaker 1: got Stefan Diggs, who essentially can do it all. They've 1265 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,960 Speaker 1: got Davis who came on last year long can run. 1266 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Would you view him and how do they view him? 1267 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Do they view him as a vertical receiver? Do you 1268 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,840 Speaker 1: think as a guy that can get over the top. 1269 01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,240 Speaker 1: Do they see him that way? I don't think so. 1270 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,560 Speaker 1: I think he's a guy maybe a little more in 1271 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,560 Speaker 1: the digs mold, that can do a lot of different things. 1272 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,320 Speaker 1: Vertical is one of them. But I wouldn't say not 1273 01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,880 Speaker 1: his number one exclusively. Yeah, I would love to see 1274 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,600 Speaker 1: them get a vertical receiver then, you know, I mean 1275 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 1: I would love to see them get a guy that 1276 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,760 Speaker 1: can run. You know. Then it all depends on size, 1277 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, how they feel about side because I love 1278 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,520 Speaker 1: Johan Dockson from Penn State. He's one of my favorite 1279 01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,200 Speaker 1: receivers in this draft. I have no idea, you know, 1280 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,560 Speaker 1: as I said, where guys get drafted. I mean, if 1281 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,080 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams was there, I think, you know, he's a 1282 01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,439 Speaker 1: guy he can take the top off the defense. So 1283 01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,200 Speaker 1: I think given that Josh can make any throw and 1284 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: you to me, you want that vertical guy. I would 1285 01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:27,440 Speaker 1: love to see them get a guy that can change 1286 01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: the way defenses have to play and can take the 1287 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,280 Speaker 1: top off the defense, Greg, last one for you obviously. 1288 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: The Chiefs. Yes, they got Mark has Valdez scantling to 1289 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,080 Speaker 1: kind of make up for the trade loss of Tyree Hill. 1290 01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,360 Speaker 1: But sitting there with pick twenty nine and thirty, the 1291 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,800 Speaker 1: general consensus is one of those is going to be 1292 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:55,840 Speaker 1: used on a receiver. They love draft in speed, but 1293 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see what they choose 1294 01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,520 Speaker 1: to do and whether they feel they can find a 1295 01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:04,160 Speaker 1: receiver they can incorporate right into the offense immediately. The 1296 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,280 Speaker 1: general consensus, though, Greg, is that you can get a 1297 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:10,400 Speaker 1: starting caliber receiver as late as round four. Would you 1298 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,360 Speaker 1: tend to agree with that with the number of ones 1299 01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: you've you've looked over so far? Sure you know starting 1300 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,360 Speaker 1: caliber is a relative term, Chris, Yeah. I mean you 1301 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,720 Speaker 1: know clearly, if you're drafting receiver in round four, you 1302 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 1: don't believe he's quote unquote the guy. But depending on 1303 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,960 Speaker 1: who else you have on your team and how you 1304 01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:34,080 Speaker 1: run your offense, you certainly can get a receiver that 1305 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: you can put out there for forty snaps. I mean, 1306 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,320 Speaker 1: is let me ask you this. I know he's not 1307 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,360 Speaker 1: there anymore, but as Cole Beasley, was he a starting 1308 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:47,080 Speaker 1: caliber receiver for the Bills? The answer would probably be yes, correct, Yeah, yeah, 1309 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,840 Speaker 1: I mean, and how many snaps a game did he play? 1310 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,439 Speaker 1: So when you're an eleven personnel, Now, which teams tend 1311 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,800 Speaker 1: to be. It depends on the team obviously, but at 1312 01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: least fifty five percent of the snaps, I think your 1313 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,200 Speaker 1: three receivers are starting receivers for the most part. So sure, 1314 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,840 Speaker 1: can you get one of those guys in round four? Absolutely? 1315 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,840 Speaker 1: You know, it just depends on how you see. Just 1316 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,560 Speaker 1: like we spoke about the Bills, what do Brandon Bean 1317 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,680 Speaker 1: and Sean McDermott feel about the kind of receiver they 1318 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,680 Speaker 1: want to go with Stefan Diggs and Davis? You know, 1319 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,360 Speaker 1: what kind of receiver are they looking for? Are they 1320 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,240 Speaker 1: looking for the Jamison Williams type where they love a 1321 01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,240 Speaker 1: guy who's six three two fifteen. You know they're not 1322 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,200 Speaker 1: going to come out and say here's exactly what we're 1323 01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 1: looking for, but they know this, you know, in their 1324 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,960 Speaker 1: meetings now, if there's someone they love and maybe it 1325 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,000 Speaker 1: doesn't fit exactly who they want in terms of body 1326 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,880 Speaker 1: type and speed. They may take that guy because they 1327 01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,640 Speaker 1: love the player, but most teams try to fit it 1328 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,640 Speaker 1: into how they see their entire offense. They unless the 1329 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: guy's transcendent, and when you get there's no transcendent guy 1330 01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 1: in this draft as we speak. Now, all right, Greg, well, 1331 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 1: thanks very much for the time. As always, we will 1332 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,440 Speaker 1: catch up with you here as we slowly make our 1333 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,320 Speaker 1: way closer and closer to the twenty. You guys need corners, Yeah, 1334 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,200 Speaker 1: we need corners. I mean, I hate to give you 1335 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,960 Speaker 1: a take time to watch. I hate to give you 1336 01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:14,919 Speaker 1: to do list, but you know, I know you've got 1337 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,680 Speaker 1: one of your own. Take time to watch because you've 1338 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,360 Speaker 1: got to watch games. Yeah, I know, corners watch games. 1339 01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,960 Speaker 1: There are no short grinding away here, you know. Yeah, 1340 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,720 Speaker 1: there are no shortcuts with corners, for sure, No, there 1341 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,519 Speaker 1: are none. Uh, thanks very much, Greg. We'll catch up 1342 01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,360 Speaker 1: with you soon. All right, guys, appreciate it. All right. 1343 01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,040 Speaker 1: That's senior producer from NFL Films, Greg Cosel joining us 1344 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,920 Speaker 1: with some pre draft news and notes. We'll be back 1345 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: with more, including the obl Fan Friday mail bag next 1346 01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:55,080 Speaker 1: here on one Bill's Live Stay tuned. All right, welcome 1347 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,320 Speaker 1: back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Dad Brown with 1348 01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,559 Speaker 1: you here on a Friday, and it is time to 1349 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: open up the OBL Friday fan mail Bag, where we 1350 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,599 Speaker 1: answer any and all questions you might have on the 1351 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: Bills or the NFL at large. We can also take 1352 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:10,360 Speaker 1: your phone calls at eight three five fifty if you 1353 01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,360 Speaker 1: just thought of one and you want to give us 1354 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,559 Speaker 1: a jingle here. So Joe will lead us off from 1355 01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,240 Speaker 1: the mail bag and he asks, with the addition and 1356 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,680 Speaker 1: background of Aaron Kromer as O line coach, do you 1357 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: think the Bills will give Cody for this camp as 1358 01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:31,840 Speaker 1: his last chance to remain with the team. I would say, 1359 01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I would say he'll be in the mix for the 1360 01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,759 Speaker 1: guard spot. But if we're going fad by the Roger 1361 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,720 Speaker 1: Saffold signing as to what Aaron Kromer likes in a 1362 01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: guard I don't know that his skill set matches Cody's 1363 01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:55,000 Speaker 1: very well. Saffold's a mobile physical masher that can get 1364 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: out in space, and Cody can do that, but not 1365 01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,479 Speaker 1: nearly as well. So I wonder about to fit a 1366 01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:07,679 Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know where you come down on it. Well, 1367 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,000 Speaker 1: I think Cody can do a lot of the things 1368 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,040 Speaker 1: that Roger Staffeld does, but doesn't do him nearly as well. Yeah, frankly, 1369 01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,160 Speaker 1: Coody Ford hasn't done much anything very well at the 1370 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,880 Speaker 1: NFL level so far, including staying healthy, which is you know, 1371 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons for that. I think Brandon Bean 1372 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 1: has always been, you know, a champion of Cody Ford 1373 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:25,880 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term. So I think Ford's 1374 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,120 Speaker 1: gonna get a look, and I think the Bills you know, 1375 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: want to see how he does with the Aaron Cromer 1376 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 1: offensive line genius working behind him. But I'm not optimistic 1377 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:37,760 Speaker 1: about you know, any results coming out of that, or 1378 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,439 Speaker 1: Ford even being a guy the Bills want to have 1379 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,519 Speaker 1: on the roster beyond being a you know, a depth guy. 1380 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a guy that I think 1381 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,719 Speaker 1: the Bills you know want to start. But Aaron Kromer's 1382 01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,040 Speaker 1: a really good offensive line coach. Let's see what happens. Yeah, 1383 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,720 Speaker 1: I would anticipate a depth player though, if we had 1384 01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,920 Speaker 1: to project it out to the fall. Ray next on 1385 01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,599 Speaker 1: the mail Bank asks NFL teams bring up to ninety 1386 01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,599 Speaker 1: players to camp, then cut to fifty three plus practice squad. 1387 01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,000 Speaker 1: How does their cap number change after the roster is set. 1388 01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:08,519 Speaker 1: Do practice squad players count towards the camp It seems 1389 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,639 Speaker 1: all teams that be over the camp at ninety players, 1390 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:14,200 Speaker 1: So ray, it's only the top fifty one salaries that 1391 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,799 Speaker 1: count towards your salary cap. Players fifty two through ninety 1392 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,519 Speaker 1: don't count towards your cap number that you have to 1393 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,200 Speaker 1: be under by a league rule. Now that'll obviously morphin 1394 01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,519 Speaker 1: change depending on who you keep on the roster and 1395 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,800 Speaker 1: who gets moved off, but it's always top fifty one. 1396 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:33,599 Speaker 1: I don't think you have anything to add to that, 1397 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,080 Speaker 1: right that. That's pretty much Actually one thing I did 1398 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,000 Speaker 1: want to Okay, go ahead. You know when people are 1399 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:41,120 Speaker 1: thinking about you know how much room the bills have 1400 01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 1: and what they might need, Like, for example, you have 1401 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to have X number of dollars available to sign the 1402 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,120 Speaker 1: draft class. But because of the top fifty one rule, 1403 01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:50,720 Speaker 1: if you sign a guy for two million dollars as 1404 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: a rookie in your draft class, it's not just two 1405 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,760 Speaker 1: million dollars that goes on the cap. He replaces another 1406 01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,000 Speaker 1: guy who might have been making eight hundred grand. So 1407 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,360 Speaker 1: in that case, you only need one point two million 1408 01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:02,479 Speaker 1: to sign that guy. So, although the Bills are going 1409 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to spend a total of I think eight million dollars 1410 01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,680 Speaker 1: assigned the rookie class, it's only gonna cost two and 1411 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:09,160 Speaker 1: a half or three million somewhere in there actually on 1412 01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,680 Speaker 1: the cap because they're replacing players who are already on 1413 01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,280 Speaker 1: the top fifty one group. Yeah, six, six and seventh 1414 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:19,040 Speaker 1: round picks probably don't even factor in. Basically, So JT 1415 01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,040 Speaker 1: is next, and he says the Brown squad that and Chris, 1416 01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,439 Speaker 1: where do you think the Bills go for CB two 1417 01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,120 Speaker 1: opposite Trey? Do we pull in a VET or do 1418 01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: we draft one in the first round. I'd like to 1419 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:32,639 Speaker 1: get somebody that can start right away, like McDuffie or Gardner. 1420 01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,479 Speaker 1: Maybe trade up and get one. If not, maybe Dane 1421 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,880 Speaker 1: gets the start. Well, this guy said Jat's a little 1422 01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,720 Speaker 1: all over the map here. We discussed this earlier. That 1423 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,360 Speaker 1: is happy with either or I kind of want to 1424 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,479 Speaker 1: take a blanket approach to it, just to hedge my 1425 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,720 Speaker 1: bets on Trey's return to full health. I'd prefer to 1426 01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,240 Speaker 1: get a VET on a cheap contract and then draft somebody, 1427 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,160 Speaker 1: not necessarily in round one, but maybe somewhere on the 1428 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 1: first two days. I might even be able to stomach 1429 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:06,000 Speaker 1: a fourth round corner. Quite frankly, and I will say this, 1430 01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily super high on him and think he 1431 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:12,679 Speaker 1: could take on some kind of important role. But Nick 1432 01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,559 Speaker 1: McLeod was a guy that I liked as a rookie 1433 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: undrafted last year, and then he went away because the 1434 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,519 Speaker 1: Bengals claimed him, and then they released him later in 1435 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,280 Speaker 1: the year and the Bills got him back, big physical corner. 1436 01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see his development. I'm not saying that's 1437 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,000 Speaker 1: going to change their mind as to what they feel 1438 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,400 Speaker 1: they might need, but I like that he's back in 1439 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,760 Speaker 1: the pipeline here now. But maybe maybe just let him 1440 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,760 Speaker 1: know where you come down on this in terms of 1441 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,200 Speaker 1: refortifying the corner position. Then well, it's funny you bring 1442 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,880 Speaker 1: up another guy who's already on the dep Schart. I'm 1443 01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,080 Speaker 1: a big cam Lewis fan, you know, relatively. I think 1444 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,799 Speaker 1: that's a guy that, you know, might deserve an opportunity. 1445 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: He's a little more of a nickel, but you know, 1446 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,280 Speaker 1: if the Bills need to go outside with someone, I 1447 01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,360 Speaker 1: think cam Lewis is someone that has some of the 1448 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,880 Speaker 1: abilities that could could play that position. You know, maybe 1449 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,360 Speaker 1: if Trey White's not going to be on the field 1450 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,280 Speaker 1: for two weeks, and you get stuck in terms of 1451 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,760 Speaker 1: this offseason trying to find a replacement. I have optimism 1452 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,960 Speaker 1: Lewis could play. You know, I think that the corner 1453 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,840 Speaker 1: market free agent wise, is gonna play out in a 1454 01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,439 Speaker 1: way where the Bills are gonna land someone you know, 1455 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,280 Speaker 1: a veteran you know, a veteran guy who they can afford. 1456 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,720 Speaker 1: You know, I know Joe Hayden and Patrick Peterson are 1457 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,000 Speaker 1: the two top names that are available right now. Wouldn't 1458 01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,000 Speaker 1: stun me, you know, if it was one of those 1459 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,240 Speaker 1: two guys. But I think one way or another, I 1460 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,840 Speaker 1: think that you know, you brought it up earlier in 1461 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:31,559 Speaker 1: the show, that j C. Jackson contract kind of showed you, 1462 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,559 Speaker 1: even Carlton Davis that the guy the Bucks resigned. Neither 1463 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,240 Speaker 1: of those two guys got what I think many people 1464 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:38,519 Speaker 1: thought they would get money wise. So I think if 1465 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,479 Speaker 1: you let that trickle all the way down, you know, 1466 01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,679 Speaker 1: the Bills are shopping in the bargain bind like Brandon 1467 01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:44,439 Speaker 1: Bean is set. I still think they can find a 1468 01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,680 Speaker 1: guy who when they signed them, you'll think, Okay, you know, 1469 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,000 Speaker 1: we can live with starting this guy for however long 1470 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:52,120 Speaker 1: we have to. If we strike out in the draft, 1471 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,240 Speaker 1: then if you know, Trey White isn't ready as early 1472 01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,519 Speaker 1: as we want, Yeah, no question about it. Steven Nelson's 1473 01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,439 Speaker 1: another guy that I think is still out there. I 1474 01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,400 Speaker 1: think he was a guy that Bills kicked the tires 1475 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,120 Speaker 1: on last offseas last year. Yeah, if I remember right, 1476 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,759 Speaker 1: So he's still sitting around out there too. Rochester Bills 1477 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,479 Speaker 1: asks Steve and Chris, Thad and Chris, in this case, 1478 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,280 Speaker 1: we need a free agent corner. What do you think 1479 01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:19,479 Speaker 1: of the Bills trading Tremaine Edmonds for a cornerback like 1480 01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Harden from Pittsburgh. He's a free agent. You don't need 1481 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,040 Speaker 1: to trade anybody for him. Then find another linebacker or 1482 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,400 Speaker 1: Bean sits around longer for value free agent corner signing 1483 01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,880 Speaker 1: for three to four million for one year. Since this 1484 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,599 Speaker 1: guy's called Rochester Bills, I'll let you have first crackhead 1485 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,200 Speaker 1: at Thad Well, I mean we talked about, you know, 1486 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,840 Speaker 1: Hayden a little bit. I like the idea I think 1487 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,280 Speaker 1: right now if you traded a Tremaine Edmonds to solve 1488 01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:46,479 Speaker 1: what might be a temporary issue at corner and at 1489 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,799 Speaker 1: the very least is probably a depth issue at corner 1490 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,479 Speaker 1: that doesn't make a lot of sense because it's not 1491 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,439 Speaker 1: just a linebacker. This is the guy that calls the 1492 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,120 Speaker 1: signals defensively, a lot of the checks. He's worked a 1493 01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: lot with, you know, Poyer and Hide and the three 1494 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,320 Speaker 1: of them. We'll talk about communication and how well they 1495 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,479 Speaker 1: know all that stuff. You can't just replace that, certainly, 1496 01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:07,240 Speaker 1: not as easy as you can replace a depth corner. 1497 01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:09,960 Speaker 1: A guy who just comes in plays the boundary, you know, 1498 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,000 Speaker 1: not that he doesn't have any communication, but it's much 1499 01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,519 Speaker 1: more limited. So I'm definitely not on board with trying 1500 01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,280 Speaker 1: to trade a piece to fill the corner issue, which 1501 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,679 Speaker 1: as we just said, I think the Bills probably can 1502 01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,280 Speaker 1: can fill just by being patient let the market play 1503 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,320 Speaker 1: out their way, right, And I know that Tremaine has 1504 01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,880 Speaker 1: his detractors even within Bill's mafia. Steve and I take 1505 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,000 Speaker 1: phone calls all the time, and I mean, you can 1506 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:37,200 Speaker 1: make the argument that he's not the perfect linebacker, but 1507 01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,479 Speaker 1: part of what he gives you asset wise can also 1508 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:44,680 Speaker 1: have him come up short in some other areas, Like 1509 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,400 Speaker 1: he's very long. He covers a ton of ground sideline 1510 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,559 Speaker 1: to sideline, but in a short area in a phone booth. 1511 01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:55,360 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes a running back can shake him because 1512 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 1: he's so long levered that he doesn't have that suddenness 1513 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,280 Speaker 1: and side to side agility in a short area, and 1514 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,519 Speaker 1: sometimes he's reaching to make tackles. But I think the 1515 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,679 Speaker 1: vast majority of his game has served this defense very well. 1516 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,599 Speaker 1: And you mentioned what I think gets overlooked maybe all 1517 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,559 Speaker 1: too often, the communication standpoint. This is a guy that 1518 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:20,920 Speaker 1: the other ten guys have come to no understand and 1519 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,600 Speaker 1: take cues from, and you pull that out of the equation. 1520 01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,320 Speaker 1: That's a big hole to fill from an ability standpoint, 1521 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,240 Speaker 1: but also from a communication standpoint, so that you just 1522 01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,559 Speaker 1: created a cavernous hole in the middle of your defense 1523 01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:38,719 Speaker 1: just for the sake of trying to improve your cornerback position. 1524 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: To me, that doesn't weigh out either. So yeah, I 1525 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,559 Speaker 1: would tend to agree with you. Not a move to 1526 01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: make to try to improve corner temporarily. GEO asks settle, 1527 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:54,840 Speaker 1: lack of snaps, but great reports tape, anything can happen, 1528 01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,479 Speaker 1: but his d line potentially the most improved position group. 1529 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,920 Speaker 1: These are guys that won't get rag dolled with mobility. 1530 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:07,200 Speaker 1: Health the biggest factor with Jordan Phillips, who obviously had 1531 01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,160 Speaker 1: injuries when he was in Arizona hamstring, knee, etc. Talent wise, though, 1532 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:15,160 Speaker 1: blows away anyone we lost. Blows away might be a 1533 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,040 Speaker 1: little strong, But as I said at the top of 1534 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:22,720 Speaker 1: the show that I think the three they added, for 1535 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 1: the most part, I think are more well. I think 1536 01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,600 Speaker 1: you could say this Tim Settle, they've said can play 1537 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,439 Speaker 1: both the one and the three. He's athletic enough to 1538 01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:37,439 Speaker 1: do that. Greg Kosell to some degree confirmed that with 1539 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:42,840 Speaker 1: his assessment of Settle. Jones is a grinder and I 1540 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,840 Speaker 1: like the attitude that he plays with you. He's a guy, 1541 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,840 Speaker 1: I guess the best way to describe it. He's a guy. 1542 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 1: You're not gonna wonder what am I getting from this 1543 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,160 Speaker 1: guy on a Sunday. And you can't say that about 1544 01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: every big man player in this league see Marcel Darius 1545 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:03,840 Speaker 1: and finally Jordan Phillips. The ability is through the roof. 1546 01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:06,760 Speaker 1: Are you gonna be able to get everything out of him? 1547 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,400 Speaker 1: I think on a one year contract you will, because 1548 01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,719 Speaker 1: he's playing for the next one. I think the group 1549 01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,479 Speaker 1: the Bills have is a much higher ceiling group, especially 1550 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,960 Speaker 1: Settle in Phillips for the you know, especially the Phillips 1551 01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:20,880 Speaker 1: for the reasons you just mentioned, probably lower floor. You know, 1552 01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,320 Speaker 1: I think with Harrison Phillips, you're in star Letula when 1553 01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,400 Speaker 1: he was healthy. You know exactly what you're getting for 1554 01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:30,599 Speaker 1: those guys, especially star So there's definitely reasons to be 1555 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:34,320 Speaker 1: encouraged about where the defensive line group is going. And 1556 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,240 Speaker 1: in terms of most improved, Well, they signed four guys there. 1557 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,400 Speaker 1: I mean they signed four other guys total, you know, 1558 01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:43,560 Speaker 1: so of course that's gonna be five with Jack Lawson exactly, 1559 01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,200 Speaker 1: so I mean it better be. I mean, they a 1560 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,280 Speaker 1: thousand resources free agent wise into that group, but I 1561 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,599 Speaker 1: think it certainly will be at least you know, sitting 1562 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,599 Speaker 1: here now, I mean a month and a half from now, 1563 01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,559 Speaker 1: there's gonna be another twenty to thirty guys who are 1564 01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:59,280 Speaker 1: brought into this roster, and you might reassess it at 1565 01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:03,040 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah. I just I'm reminded of how many 1566 01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,719 Speaker 1: times in the first half of the season we heard 1567 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,280 Speaker 1: coach McDermott say we have to win the battle of 1568 01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,360 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. We didn't do that today. That's 1569 01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,559 Speaker 1: why we lost. You know, I think about the Colts 1570 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,479 Speaker 1: game and how they just got pushed around, and I 1571 01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,200 Speaker 1: just think they were they were looking for a specific 1572 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,080 Speaker 1: type of interior defensive lineman, somebody that can offer a 1573 01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,200 Speaker 1: little bit of movement, maybe a little bit of wiggle, 1574 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,160 Speaker 1: and a little bit of penetration ability, but guys who 1575 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:30,920 Speaker 1: are not going to get backed off the line of 1576 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,559 Speaker 1: scrimmage at all. And I think all three of those 1577 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,160 Speaker 1: fit that kind of job description. And that's why I'm 1578 01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:40,679 Speaker 1: more encouraged about what that defensive front can do, maybe 1579 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,479 Speaker 1: against the run this year, maybe more than anything else 1580 01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,759 Speaker 1: in terms of what I think is most different between 1581 01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,800 Speaker 1: last year and this year. Yeah, Chris, every one of 1582 01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,559 Speaker 1: those signings, I was having flashbacks that Colts press conference 1583 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,800 Speaker 1: after the game every single time, going back into the 1584 01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,880 Speaker 1: way McDermott addressed at the frustration level. The one thing 1585 01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:01,799 Speaker 1: I will say though, is in an NFL where passing 1586 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,320 Speaker 1: is king, I was a little curious for me to 1587 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,639 Speaker 1: put for the Bills to put all these resources into 1588 01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,200 Speaker 1: stopping the run. But then they turned around and signed 1589 01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,439 Speaker 1: by Miller and all was good. So we're fine, We're 1590 01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:14,240 Speaker 1: so we're covered all right. Last one from the mail 1591 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 1: bag here, Christian asks what do you think about trading 1592 01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,000 Speaker 1: out of twenty five or, in my opinion, at twenty 1593 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,799 Speaker 1: five if available, drafting Christian Watson, the six five wide receiver. 1594 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,720 Speaker 1: I think he's North Dakota State. Right, no dB will 1595 01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,880 Speaker 1: be available that will be worth taking. Watson is an 1596 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,840 Speaker 1: instant impact player due to his position, flexibility inside or 1597 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,280 Speaker 1: outside wide receiver, and special teams. All right, well, let's 1598 01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:47,320 Speaker 1: let's first think about this trading out of twenty five fad. 1599 01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:50,360 Speaker 1: Do you are you going to be disappointed if the 1600 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,000 Speaker 1: Bills trade out at twenty five and let's just say 1601 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,599 Speaker 1: they move back to the middle around two, so that 1602 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,719 Speaker 1: means they're probably picking up a late three or something. 1603 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,320 Speaker 1: Two schools of thought here. Number one in this draft, 1604 01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,120 Speaker 1: like the last couple, seems to be flushed with guys 1605 01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,120 Speaker 1: that are available in that twenty fifth through seventieth pick 1606 01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:12,680 Speaker 1: area somewhere generally in there. So for every team, the 1607 01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:15,200 Speaker 1: probably better play would be to trade down and get 1608 01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:17,880 Speaker 1: more picks in Day two if you have a late 1609 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,280 Speaker 1: Day one pick. For the Bills, though a team were 1610 01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,200 Speaker 1: the last two years you've seen six and seventh round 1611 01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,880 Speaker 1: picks being picked off their practice squad and claimed by 1612 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,439 Speaker 1: other teams, it really doesn't have benefit the Bills to 1613 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,280 Speaker 1: have these nine draft picks. So based on that, I'd 1614 01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,799 Speaker 1: rather be trading up than trading down. If I'm Buffalo, 1615 01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:36,680 Speaker 1: I'd rather if you don't think there's a corner that's 1616 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,719 Speaker 1: going to be available late first round that you want, 1617 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,080 Speaker 1: then try and go up and get that guy, assuming 1618 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,840 Speaker 1: he falls. I think there's too many factors that go 1619 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,800 Speaker 1: into predicting how the first round falls, you know, with 1620 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,479 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks not being a group that a lot of 1621 01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:51,559 Speaker 1: people believe in or at least believe will go early, 1622 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,360 Speaker 1: I think it takes the first round and throws a 1623 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,000 Speaker 1: lot of it into flux. So to sit here and say, oh, 1624 01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,639 Speaker 1: I think the Bill should do X with pick twenty five, 1625 01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,160 Speaker 1: it's really going to be hard to know that until 1626 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,599 Speaker 1: they get on the clock, you know, on April. And 1627 01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,320 Speaker 1: then with respect to Christian Watson, we're talking about a tall, 1628 01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,960 Speaker 1: angular receiver, strong after the catch, a guy that sets 1629 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,320 Speaker 1: up blocks well, breakaway speed. As we know, he ran 1630 01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:17,559 Speaker 1: the four threes at the combine, big catch radius, good 1631 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,520 Speaker 1: body control on jump balls used out of the backfield. 1632 01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:27,800 Speaker 1: As the guy meant, as Christian mentioned, does he make 1633 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,439 Speaker 1: it to up to round one? There's the you know, 1634 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 1: there's the north Dakota State. You know, FCS level of 1635 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,719 Speaker 1: football issue to discuss there in the room, and using 1636 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,519 Speaker 1: a first round pick on a player like that, you 1637 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:46,160 Speaker 1: know it's happened before, but it doesn't happen often. I mean, 1638 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,759 Speaker 1: I don't know if you can wait till pick fifty 1639 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,400 Speaker 1: seven and round two for Watson, he's probably gone if 1640 01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 1: there's a run on receivers. But I don't know why 1641 01:23:55,720 --> 01:23:57,760 Speaker 1: twenty five just seems a little rich for me for 1642 01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,040 Speaker 1: him there. I agree. You know, I have done a 1643 01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,960 Speaker 1: lot of Christian Watson's study, UM, gone through somebody other 1644 01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,720 Speaker 1: receivers so far, so I don't have a really hard 1645 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:09,400 Speaker 1: take with him particularly either way. UM. You know, a 1646 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:13,080 Speaker 1: receiver with all those good measurables lasting to round two 1647 01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,120 Speaker 1: almost raises red flags from me. I mean, in this league, again, 1648 01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,360 Speaker 1: we're passing is the thing to do. You're gonna let 1649 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:20,519 Speaker 1: that guy thirty two teams are gonna let that guy 1650 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,360 Speaker 1: walk by. Then then I wonder, you know what else 1651 01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,040 Speaker 1: is being questioned there? What are the red flags there are? 1652 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,639 Speaker 1: But again, I want to get more of a look 1653 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,680 Speaker 1: at him before I go a yeah. I mean, I 1654 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:32,639 Speaker 1: think the thing that I came away from watching him 1655 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,680 Speaker 1: is he's you know, he can be dominant at the 1656 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,920 Speaker 1: FCS level, but he should be and you know, I'm 1657 01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,519 Speaker 1: looking at the corners he's going against. And there was 1658 01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:45,400 Speaker 1: one exception. I think there was this Jacksonville State kid 1659 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,240 Speaker 1: who he played against who's going to be an NFL player, 1660 01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,760 Speaker 1: and you know, he didn't make as many plays as 1661 01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:54,639 Speaker 1: he did in other games where he was playing as 1662 01:24:54,720 --> 01:25:00,080 Speaker 1: Steve Offen says dental students. So, um, that's that's the 1663 01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,160 Speaker 1: issue for me. And it's a projection. So if you're 1664 01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,000 Speaker 1: confident that he can play that at that level against 1665 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,960 Speaker 1: a more physical brand of defense, which he's gonna see 1666 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,960 Speaker 1: every week in the NFL, it's like, Hey, this is 1667 01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,479 Speaker 1: what press coverage is really like, welcome to the NFL. 1668 01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,160 Speaker 1: Is he gonna be as effective? I don't know how 1669 01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,240 Speaker 1: does he adjust to that? And so I think that's 1670 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:25,880 Speaker 1: the question for me. You know, in terms of position flexibility, 1671 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,840 Speaker 1: if somebody thinks they're getting another Deebo Samuel, they just 1672 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:31,799 Speaker 1: flat out or not. He is not as physically strong 1673 01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,920 Speaker 1: as Deebo Samuel. He I don't think he can ever be. 1674 01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,760 Speaker 1: You want him to run a jet sweep, Yeah, he 1675 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,960 Speaker 1: can do that. You want to line him up in 1676 01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,559 Speaker 1: the backfield and then you know, throw him a bubble. Okay, 1677 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:45,040 Speaker 1: but you're not using him the way San Francisco uses 1678 01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:46,960 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. He will not be on the field long. 1679 01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,680 Speaker 1: You'll get hurt. We gotta stop with the idea that 1680 01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:52,519 Speaker 1: there's just Deebo Samuel's growing on trees. That guy is 1681 01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:55,639 Speaker 1: a one off. You know, it's like when Tiger Woods 1682 01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,280 Speaker 1: got done. Oh, this can be the next Tiger Woods. 1683 01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,000 Speaker 1: No, no no, no, no, that guy doesn't come back the 1684 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:01,840 Speaker 1: same thing with Deebos. You know, we're not gonna just 1685 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,200 Speaker 1: oh what third round? Yeah, he's gonna be Deebo Samuel. Please, 1686 01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,040 Speaker 1: that's not happened. All right, we gotta take a break here, 1687 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,280 Speaker 1: but Than and I will close things up when we return. 1688 01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,479 Speaker 1: Here on One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health, It's 1689 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:27,599 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right. Back here on One Bills Live, 1690 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,600 Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Than Brown and We had a fun conversation 1691 01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:36,600 Speaker 1: with OJ Howard because he referenced garbage plates up in Rochester, 1692 01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,400 Speaker 1: which is where they hail from, after eating one at 1693 01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,519 Speaker 1: a Bills fans house in his neighborhood in Tampa while 1694 01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,000 Speaker 1: watching the AFC title game in twenty twenty, so he's 1695 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,799 Speaker 1: looking forward to getting the real mcgilla up in Rochester 1696 01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,680 Speaker 1: a training camp. My garbage plates story because everybody that 1697 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: lives in Western New York for half a second has one, 1698 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,720 Speaker 1: so being a Geneseo alum, we would drive up periodically 1699 01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:05,120 Speaker 1: and treat ourselves. And being the Long Island guy, I 1700 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,400 Speaker 1: was not privy to all the ins and outs of 1701 01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,760 Speaker 1: what was contained in a garbage plate, and so my 1702 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,439 Speaker 1: soccer teammates who were all from Rochester convinced me to 1703 01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,320 Speaker 1: go with them. I do, and I was like, Ah, 1704 01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't sound like anything. I could probably eat two 1705 01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,040 Speaker 1: of those. So then the bet was on. So now 1706 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,879 Speaker 1: the challenge was Chris Brown has to eat two garbage 1707 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:26,080 Speaker 1: plates in one sitting. So in preparation for something that 1708 01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,599 Speaker 1: I had no preparation, four, I decided to skip lunch. 1709 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,920 Speaker 1: So I've completely gotten the stomachs completely empty nothing since breakfast. 1710 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,719 Speaker 1: We go up there for dinner. First one goes down, 1711 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:39,840 Speaker 1: no problem, I'm a fast eater. Second one I was 1712 01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,200 Speaker 1: fighting it, but I got it down. Now here's the 1713 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,160 Speaker 1: rough part. So the rough part is it's about thirty 1714 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:50,559 Speaker 1: thirty five forty minute drive back to the Geneseo campus, 1715 01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,559 Speaker 1: and one of the girls from the girls soccer team 1716 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,200 Speaker 1: was nice enough to drive us up there. She had 1717 01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:57,040 Speaker 1: to make a couple of stops. She was from Rochester, 1718 01:27:57,800 --> 01:28:02,120 Speaker 1: brand new car. She got a new car, so I'm 1719 01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:08,240 Speaker 1: riding in the back and every bump felt like somebody 1720 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,800 Speaker 1: was just messing with my stomach. My stomach might as 1721 01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,320 Speaker 1: well have been a trampoline. But I am proud to 1722 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:17,519 Speaker 1: say it all stayed down and I got back to 1723 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:21,519 Speaker 1: campus safe and sound. The car was unharmed in any way. 1724 01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,040 Speaker 1: My digestive tract, however, was a different story for about 1725 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,920 Speaker 1: the next twelve to fifteen hours. So I went Hamburger 1726 01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:30,640 Speaker 1: played on both I don't think hot Dog is the 1727 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,800 Speaker 1: way to go. You're just asking for trouble. There no 1728 01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,920 Speaker 1: hamburg played as the original. You will get looked down 1729 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,040 Speaker 1: upon if you go hot Dog played now the worst. 1730 01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:42,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I you know, grown up in Rochester. 1731 01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:44,920 Speaker 1: I went to Nick Tahoe's on a probably every other 1732 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:49,120 Speaker 1: week basis between age eighteen and twenty five, and it's 1733 01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:50,679 Speaker 1: stunning that I'm still here to tell you the tale 1734 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,400 Speaker 1: about it. But it is every bit as good as 1735 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,880 Speaker 1: Oj Howard believes it'll be, and I'm looking forward to 1736 01:28:58,120 --> 01:29:00,680 Speaker 1: his reaction to let you see you said, seeing the 1737 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:03,720 Speaker 1: real McGill up here three training camp in July and honors. Yeah, 1738 01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:08,639 Speaker 1: for some reason, I anticipate all three Rochester television stations 1739 01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,360 Speaker 1: following him in, watching him eat, and filming him coming 1740 01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,200 Speaker 1: out bad. Thanks for helping us out here on a Friday, 1741 01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,200 Speaker 1: Have a good weekend. We'll catch all of you Bill's 1742 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,400 Speaker 1: fans on Monday, when Steve is back. We'll see at 1743 01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:22,080 Speaker 1: one o'clock. Then