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Speaker 3: I feel like this has been about as even as
Speaker 3: it's been, with both sides enjoying positive days then that
Speaker 3: I can remember the.
Speaker 1: Twenty fourth pretty even.
Speaker 4: They're both that.
Speaker 1: It's like they're making each other better.
Speaker 5: It's like when good players are both really good and
Speaker 5: they go against each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they make each other better.
Speaker 6: What is that?
Speaker 2: What is that called that?
Speaker 1: Iron?
Speaker 7: Chakras?
Speaker 4: Iron?
Speaker 1: That sums it up?
Speaker 2: Thought of that?
Speaker 4: You should have just let it that?
Speaker 1: I actually, but brocos one interest me, Like, what is
Speaker 1: that game?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 2: Are you excited about that?
Speaker 1: I'm very excited.
Speaker 4: I don't love the idea of building an offense for
Speaker 4: Drake May, specifically out of little option routes from the slow.
Speaker 1: Just got first downs Brandon's and Syracuse.
Speaker 4: What's up, Brandon?
Speaker 9: Not too much?
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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome the Patriot's Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
Speaker 1: at j Lett Stadium and we just came off the
Speaker 1: practice field. A hot day here at ja Lett Stadium. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's getting ready for the second BTS concert. How was
Speaker 1: last nighte Ford? Did they play all the hits?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: It was great. Yeah. I had the play sheet.
Speaker 1: I saw you dressed up.
Speaker 4: I was really young. I had my little white skirt
Speaker 4: on and.
Speaker 1: Really bulld choice.
Speaker 4: Okay, what's your favorite BTS song? I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I've never heard them before. I don't know from them.
Speaker 4: You know, I got some bops, I got some bangers.
Speaker 1: What's the one?
Speaker 4: Dynamite my favorite one? But Butter is really good too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: What's tiny Skurts?
Speaker 1: But over there it's the community, all right.
Speaker 4: We're not here to talk pop. We're here to talk
Speaker 4: about pop pop.
Speaker 1: Douglas, I'm talking about number three. There you go. No,
Speaker 1: he's been having a good little pickle catches today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little found a little room today.
Speaker 2: Camp.
Speaker 1: I saw my guy Gay backus again on a one
Speaker 1: on one with showing speed around the outside there it's aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like them. What are your guys initial thoughts. It's Evan,
Speaker 1: it's Paul, it's Mike, it's me, it's Alex in the booth.
Speaker 2: I'll jump in.
Speaker 5: Well, we talked about it walking off the field, and
Speaker 5: you might have heard it in the open of that.
Speaker 5: We all feel that this is a competitive training camp
Speaker 5: and it's kind of back and forth, and in recent
Speaker 5: years it felt like we come off the field and
Speaker 5: be like, that was offense, all offense today, or you know,
Speaker 5: oh man, the defense shut it down today.
Speaker 1: Now, the defense did have a good day to day.
Speaker 1: They finished with three straight.
Speaker 5: Interceptions, which was, you know, maybe the only time this
Speaker 5: summer I felt like we came out and been like
Speaker 5: that was like a put your fist down kind of
Speaker 5: ending to the practice. But I think it's a good
Speaker 5: sign that they're competitive the offense. They make some plays
Speaker 5: there are in a lot of days where it was like, man, they.
Speaker 1: Just didn't have it going. Now, Paul will tell you
Speaker 1: Drake throw a pretty bad pick.
Speaker 5: We could debate about why today, but otherwise it's it's
Speaker 5: been a good back and forth, competitive camp, and I
Speaker 5: think it's a sign of a good team with talent
Speaker 5: on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 4: I think it's been a boring camp because I honestly,
Speaker 4: I don't think that much has happened because there's not
Speaker 4: much drama. You know, there's not a lot of starting
Speaker 4: jobs up for grabs. Gonzalez is practicing, so that whole
Speaker 4: thing is kind of, you know, poured water on that
Speaker 4: fire potentially. But I would say the last couple of days,
Speaker 4: you know, not the walk through, but the last couple
Speaker 4: of practices and pads, it's starting to drag a little bit,
Speaker 4: and I think that guys are starting to get banged up.
Speaker 4: It's hot. They've been playing against the same people in
Speaker 4: the same Patriot on Patriot practices now for what six
Speaker 4: days in pads and day eleven of camp overall today,
Speaker 4: So I think everybody's really looking forward to the colts
Speaker 4: coming here next week and having somebody else to go
Speaker 4: up against anybody else, honestly.
Speaker 1: So they'll have a practice tomorrow, but the weekend is
Speaker 1: going to be a little light for them, so they'll
Speaker 1: get a little chance to recover.
Speaker 2: They'll get a rest over the weekend.
Speaker 3: But I agree with Evan and you know, all of
Speaker 3: the cliches that you throw out during the summer were
Speaker 3: very I think evident today. You know, you get into
Speaker 3: this period where you're a little bit, you know, starting
Speaker 3: to drag. It was really humid today, I thought on
Speaker 3: the field, I thought you could see visible signs of
Speaker 3: guys dragging at times. Charles Woods left early after sort
Speaker 3: of getting in a collision. Christian Barmore was really upset
Speaker 3: for for something I'm not exactly sure. He fired his
Speaker 3: helmet to the ground and went out down the back hill.
Speaker 2: You know, he was angry. I'm not saying he was injured.
Speaker 1: But you're angry because you got hurt.
Speaker 4: It could be.
Speaker 2: It could be also could.
Speaker 4: Be angry because somebody got under his skin.
Speaker 1: You could.
Speaker 3: You could just see like it start to wear on
Speaker 3: people today. And I do agree with Mike. I thought
Speaker 3: the defense, maybe for the first time, sort of had
Speaker 3: the better of that at the end of the practice.
Speaker 2: Now, I think they've been back and forth a lot.
Speaker 3: Today I thought was clearly a win for the defense,
Speaker 3: and they put an exclamation point at the end.
Speaker 2: With three straight picks.
Speaker 3: I agree with the the bad throw, the quote unquote
Speaker 3: bad throw that I said by Drake, I think may
Speaker 3: very well have been a situational because he had just
Speaker 3: thrown a pick and now they just put one more
Speaker 3: play from about the twenty five or thirty yard line.
Speaker 2: I think he had to throw one in the end.
Speaker 3: Zone, yeah, but he didn't throw it anywhere near Hunter
Speaker 3: Henry and Kevin Byard ended up virus dropping backlick in
Speaker 3: his hands.
Speaker 2: Like this is what I want to say.
Speaker 3: Like the sort of the intensity that was still there
Speaker 3: even though they were dragging, I thought was a positive sign.
Speaker 2: And like they were whooping it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like Bayer took a towel and he's like slamming
Speaker 3: it against the goalpost at the end, and you know
Speaker 3: that's the g rated version of whatever he was doing
Speaker 3: back there. They were getting louder and louder as the
Speaker 3: day went on. In between some of those periods, there
Speaker 3: was like a little red zone like individual drill like
Speaker 3: one on one, two on two combination routes, and the
Speaker 3: defense I thought, got the far better of that drill.
Speaker 3: And they were really loud. That was right in front
Speaker 3: of us on the hill, so you could hear the
Speaker 3: defense reacting to play after play after play, and you're
Speaker 3: right to Mario Douglas is the only one that really
Speaker 3: was looked really strong in that drill offensively well.
Speaker 1: The first play brown Aj caught one, but then the
Speaker 1: second time Gonzo got the better of him and tipped
Speaker 1: it a well.
Speaker 3: The first play, he caught it on Byered in the
Speaker 3: back of the end zone with one hand and he
Speaker 3: wasn't in bounds, but it was an unbelievable catch.
Speaker 2: I mean, did you see that catch? Could you guys
Speaker 2: look at that?
Speaker 4: It was a little bit of a babble, I thought, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so I think maybe I don't know if he
Speaker 4: got both feet and bounds with possession, but that.
Speaker 3: Was one of those combination routes and ended up on
Speaker 3: Byered coming across. Then there was one in the corner
Speaker 3: that Gonzo just sort of jumped and knocked away. He
Speaker 3: was like, and that was a tough throw by Drake too.
Speaker 3: I thought he could have put it out to the
Speaker 3: pilot on and he kind of put it back on
Speaker 3: the outside shoulder and Gonzales knocked away.
Speaker 5: But a lot of fun watching those two guys. I mean,
Speaker 5: we'll talk about That's what I'm going to say. I mean,
Speaker 5: not just I know we've talked about every show, but
Speaker 5: it's hard to miss these two guys going against each
Speaker 5: other best I mean best on best, good, good, not good.
Speaker 1: Gonzalez talked about it afterwards.
Speaker 5: You can just feel the competition and Gonzales, who isn't
Speaker 5: really a talker, I mean, he seems like he's relishing
Speaker 5: this matchup. He's enjoying each time. I mean, I thought
Speaker 5: he carried the majority of the day in eleven on
Speaker 5: eleven periods. But also that was interesting tying it back
Speaker 5: to what del Petti said a couple days ago when
Speaker 5: he said, you know, Bayard pulled the secondary together a
Speaker 5: few days ago and said, you know, we got to
Speaker 5: make more turnovers, we have to produce more. And you
Speaker 5: know they did that day, and then today they came
Speaker 5: out and finished that way and buyed leading the way.
Speaker 5: So you know, just a little early sign of kind
Speaker 5: of that leadership.
Speaker 1: All good stuff, all good stuff. Brandon of North Carolina
Speaker 1: agrees with you. He says, one thing that stands out
Speaker 1: for me in this camp is the reporting on Gonzo
Speaker 1: trash talking. Is this something that he has done in
Speaker 1: past camps or is this new?
Speaker 4: I I think he's got a little bit more in
Speaker 4: him than people think.
Speaker 1: But he's so quiet.
Speaker 4: He's so quiet that you don't hear it. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I don't know. I I would not call the last
Speaker 4: couple of days super competitive. I don't I think that this.
Speaker 4: I think they're starting to drag a little bit. I do,
Speaker 4: and I think that they we had to practice inside.
Speaker 4: I thought that was a really good practice and we
Speaker 4: were right on top of it, so you could really
Speaker 4: feel the speed and the intensity. Talking to a lot
Speaker 4: of the players after practice, it kind of feels like,
Speaker 4: how many more moves can I throw at this guy? Like,
Speaker 4: you know, we've we've been going at it for two
Speaker 4: straight weeks. He knows my moves, like I don't really
Speaker 4: know what else to do. You know, the defense knows
Speaker 4: the plays that the offense is running because they keep
Speaker 4: seeing it over and over again. And I think everybody,
Speaker 4: like I said earlier, all the players keep just saying
Speaker 4: Colts next week, joint practice next week, preseason game next week.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's sort of at the point
Speaker 4: that we're at with Camp. Is is like the Patriots
Speaker 4: on Patriots stuff. Thing I think has kind of run
Speaker 4: its course for everybody.
Speaker 3: That's why when I said I feel like all those
Speaker 3: Camp cliches they were evident today, Like they're kind of
Speaker 3: tired of you know, it's the dog days of camp.
Speaker 3: We want to hit somebody with a different shirt on,
Speaker 3: you know, like all those things and you see them
Speaker 3: like they're talking about at the end of practice.
Speaker 2: It's it's been a drag, been a little bit of
Speaker 2: a drag.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of But Gonzales did say that he
Speaker 3: likes to talk trash to two receivers, and he says
Speaker 3: it depends on the receiver. Some guys hate it when
Speaker 3: you don't talk to them, and that gets under their skin.
Speaker 3: Some guys, you know, you you know, maybe Brown is
Speaker 3: one of those guys that he knows you want to
Speaker 3: he wants to talk to. But he says it's good
Speaker 3: for both of them. Number one corner going against the
Speaker 3: number one receiver, and you sort of learn what it
Speaker 3: takes to to sort of go against that level of competition.
Speaker 5: And sometimes I feel like you overplay that, like going
Speaker 5: into camp and you're like, oh, and you know, to
Speaker 5: see Brown.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it doesn't really ever seem to work out that way,
Speaker 5: but like this is a camp where it really does
Speaker 5: seem to work out, Like those two guys are going
Speaker 5: against each other, constantly.
Speaker 1: I think when you have a coach like Rabel, he's
Speaker 1: gonna make sure that happens, Like why not, Why shouldn't
Speaker 1: the good go on the good right?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: Why avoid that?
Speaker 2: During camp?
Speaker 3: You get that I think where it gets overrated a
Speaker 3: little bit. They'll say, like practice against them all year,
Speaker 3: like he probably won't run that many roads against Gonzo
Speaker 3: during the course the balance of the season, like he'll
Speaker 3: be going against scout looks and Brown will be going
Speaker 3: against scout.
Speaker 4: They usually do second Wednesdays. They do a good on
Speaker 4: good period on Wednesdays in the middle of the week,
Speaker 4: just so that the speed you feel the speed of
Speaker 4: what it's going to be like in the game.
Speaker 2: But they.
Speaker 4: It's I can't think of an example. It's super unique
Speaker 4: that Brown's an X receiver that plays on the outside
Speaker 4: and Gonzales is a boundary corner who plays on the outside.
Speaker 4: So just by their positions alone, they're gonna be covering
Speaker 4: each other or you know, running routes on one another.
Speaker 4: When you play someplace else on the field, it might
Speaker 4: not be every rep. This is literally every rep that
Speaker 4: these two guys are on the field together. They're going
Speaker 4: up against one one another, like if you play on
Speaker 4: the defensive line, like you might be, you know, over
Speaker 4: the left guard one play, and then you're over the center,
Speaker 4: and then you're over the right guard, and right you're
Speaker 4: moving around. Whereas this one is Brown trots out to
Speaker 4: the one, you know, the short side of the field,
Speaker 4: Gonzo tries trots out to the boundary, and it's just
Speaker 4: one on one. So it's a pretty unique matchup for
Speaker 4: that reason that I really can't think of another example
Speaker 4: of the two who.
Speaker 1: Will see more competition of that caliber in the season.
Speaker 1: Gonzo with receivers or a j. Brown with cornerbacks.
Speaker 2: Good question.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a pretty good match up
Speaker 1: for both of them to start right out of the game.
Speaker 1: I think the better receiver. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of cornerbacks at that level. Well Gonzo and I
Speaker 1: mean I know zones. Just I'm trying to think of.
Speaker 3: Their schedule, like and that's one you know Seattle, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: I mean Joey Porter Junior is a good year, He's Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Brown will see a better player than Gonzo will Well
Speaker 3: it's okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean I think it's back and forth, chackuars. They'll
Speaker 5: see but they'll Bill see Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know who's bulked up? Yeah, I saw that,
Speaker 2: which you know what I appreciated about that.
Speaker 3: You know how we always see his like is he
Speaker 3: put on way someone put that post of that and
Speaker 3: they actually had one from last year and one from
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: You can see a difference.
Speaker 5: Unless I've heard that a couple times about Drake and
Speaker 5: I don't really I don't see it.
Speaker 1: I see it a little bit in the legs, A
Speaker 1: little bit in the legs.
Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 5: It's gonna be a good segment. What do you fascinated
Speaker 5: about I'm fascinating. I'm a little bit more excited, uh,
Speaker 5: which granted you've broken me of some of my preseason excitement,
Speaker 5: but doing the backup quarterbacks have been playing pretty well,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, there were a couple of throws today.
Speaker 5: I'm sure they'd like that back. But Baron Morton, whose
Speaker 5: parents were here that was a nice story today, continues
Speaker 5: to get reps and all these practices. I just think
Speaker 5: in that within the structure of the preseason game watching
Speaker 5: to Vito and Morton, I think there's gon be a
Speaker 5: little bit more interest to me to see how they
Speaker 5: transfer what they've done on the practice field out onto
Speaker 5: the onto the game field. You know, last year, you
Speaker 5: know what you had in Dobbs. He's a veteran, he's
Speaker 5: been out there. But I just think it adds a
Speaker 5: little bit more interest to me what you find, like
Speaker 5: the quarterbacks are better.
Speaker 1: I think that do you find that, Like, obviously Drake's
Speaker 1: here and everybody else is below, But in terms of
Speaker 1: the style of the quarterback, there's a thread that goes
Speaker 1: through them, like there none of them are like so
Speaker 1: different that when they're in you have to do things differently.
Speaker 4: I would say Baron Morton is more of the traditional
Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels pocket passer. Like I think he's pretty accurate,
Speaker 4: gets the ball out quickly underneath to the first two levels.
Speaker 4: When he tries to push the ball down the field,
Speaker 4: I think it hangs on him a little bit. But
Speaker 4: I would say he's more that traditional McDaniels. The Vito
Speaker 4: moves around a little bit. None of them are athletic
Speaker 4: but Drake, but yeah, maybe a little bit. But I
Speaker 4: think the Vito's had a pretty strong weak Yeah I
Speaker 4: don't want maybe off platform, Yeah yeah, maybe not as
Speaker 4: much today, but yesterday in the bubble practice, I thought
Speaker 4: that he threw the ball really really well. You had
Speaker 4: to throw a booty today that was right through two
Speaker 4: zone defenders, threw it right in there. So I mean,
Speaker 4: compared to Dobbs and Ben woo Age last summer, this
Speaker 4: is definitely an improvement in terms of their data.
Speaker 1: I agree with that overall.
Speaker 3: I think those two guys are better than the guys
Speaker 3: that they replaced, and I'm just more encouraged by that.
Speaker 3: Like I don't need to see like, like I always
Speaker 3: tell you, I don't necessarily see because it's a game like,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean more to me in a game.
Speaker 2: I think it's harder in practice. Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's more of a test
Speaker 3: in practice. I will look at the the joint practice
Speaker 3: and I'd be curious to see how many reps if
Speaker 3: any Morton gets in that scenario where it's a little
Speaker 3: bit more valuable. But yeah, I think those both of
Speaker 3: those guys I think have put a nice They've accounted
Speaker 3: for themselves.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: I think they both played well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Ifido played well against the Patriots last
Speaker 5: year the preseason. But this is the first chance we're
Speaker 5: getting to really see him practice, you know. I mean
Speaker 5: you see him during the year he was here, but
Speaker 5: I mean I barely ever see him do anything. But
Speaker 5: I just I'm impressed with the velocity he generates on
Speaker 5: his throat. He just seems to back's arm now he does.
Speaker 4: Sure, he sure does drive throws. I would deep balls,
Speaker 4: I think both those guys, Yeah, that's a good way.
Speaker 4: Kyle Williams. If we can get Kyle Williams a catchable
Speaker 4: deep ball, that would be great. Guys, that booty, the.
Speaker 2: Booty, why do you think Drake didn't throw that deep
Speaker 2: ball to him today.
Speaker 4: I don't know that he had. He I thought he had.
Speaker 4: I thought he had two guys open on that play
Speaker 4: down the field, and we being and Taylor looked at
Speaker 4: each other and we're like, why what did he just do? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I thought he had on the sideline on like a
Speaker 4: deep out that I thought was open. And then he
Speaker 4: also had you know, the safety jump Chisholm, and he
Speaker 4: had Williams one on one down the field if he
Speaker 4: wanted to give him a chance to and didn't throw it.
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that Kyle Williams is like, you know,
Speaker 4: secretly Randy Moss or something like that, but he hasn't
Speaker 4: really had a lot of help from the quarterbacks. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's been under thrown a couple of times, you know,
Speaker 4: balls that he's got to go high point, which really
Speaker 4: isn't his game. So hopefully we get Kyle Williams some
Speaker 4: accurate deep balls and see what he can do.
Speaker 1: But you know, from what I see, the base looks
Speaker 1: like it's a J Brown pop Douglas, uh In Hollands.
Speaker 4: Well, Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 1: He wasn't out there today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's probably fair, and we'll
Speaker 4: figure out what they had they do with Booty, you know.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Booty. Okay, one sixteen, speaking of Booty. No, okay,
Speaker 1: So if you think that he's going to be traded,
Speaker 1: do you call up Tampa Bay and say, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: we'll give you him, maybe a couple of draft picks
Speaker 1: for Vita Vea, because right now the reports out of
Speaker 1: Tampa there's nothing but a trade is going to happen.
Speaker 2: Like it's what are the draft picks?
Speaker 4: Maybe uh second and a third and Booty for Vea. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a lot.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it. You might have to do that.
Speaker 4: If it wasn't he at all pro one years old.
Speaker 2: Christian Barble for Vita Vea, noting like that.
Speaker 4: I don't like that at all.
Speaker 2: I don't need I do that in a blank.
Speaker 4: I'll take Vitavea all day, every day. But I don't
Speaker 4: I don't think the market is what is that high
Speaker 4: for him?
Speaker 1: You don't think so?
Speaker 2: No, he's older.
Speaker 4: I think if they're getting second and third round picture in.
Speaker 1: The contract for a contract, what you know, maybe a
Speaker 1: second or third this year and a second next year.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's a lot, and there's a lot.
Speaker 1: But I mean you might have to do that.
Speaker 4: I mean the Red Sox taught us, well, well, it's
Speaker 4: a thirty one year old player that wants a new
Speaker 4: contract like like that. There's not usually a huge market
Speaker 4: for guys like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. I don't think they're gonna like.
Speaker 5: Which feels like, you know, I mean, I think he's
Speaker 5: a great player, and it's just you know, you can
Speaker 5: look at every great player in the NFL and be like, well,
Speaker 5: I'd love to have him, but like, I think you
Speaker 5: have to be realistic about what they have invested in
Speaker 5: the defensive line where their holes are, you know, and
Speaker 5: giving up a bunch of stuff to get him. Like
Speaker 5: would he make the team better, yes, But I just
Speaker 5: think if.
Speaker 1: You're bringing Vita Vea, Zach Kerr has to like add
Speaker 1: some pages to the defensive playbook because he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's a nose tackle that you don't have right now,
Speaker 1: and now I can do things that maybe I couldn't
Speaker 1: do before. But when he's on the field, I'm limiting.
Speaker 4: The question is is how do you expand the Tonga
Speaker 4: role into a Veya role? Right? Yeah, because Tonga playing
Speaker 4: thirty three percent of the snaps last year. You're not
Speaker 4: going to trade for Vidavea and have him played thirty
Speaker 4: three percent of the snaps, right, So how do you
Speaker 4: go about? And Vea can play everywhere like he's a
Speaker 4: nose traditionally, but he can play a lot like willfour
Speaker 4: could Like he can play all over the line, So
Speaker 4: it's not just that he's playing on the nose, but theoretically,
Speaker 4: like your three man line is Williams bea barmore, which
Speaker 4: is terrific, But how much can you have those three
Speaker 4: on the field together? So that means that somebody making
Speaker 4: thirty million dollars is standing on the sideline on third down,
Speaker 4: which is I guess fine if you're willing to do that.
Speaker 4: But to Mike's point, it's like a lot of resources
Speaker 4: sunk into one position group. That makes it a little
Speaker 4: bit crowded.
Speaker 1: But well, if those three can make third down, third
Speaker 1: and long every time, it might be worth it.
Speaker 4: He's a hell of a player. I just given the situation,
Speaker 4: if he really wants out of Tampa and he wants
Speaker 4: a new contract, I just you know, I think we
Speaker 4: see how this goes where the asking price is usually
Speaker 4: not as high as you think in those types of situations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because of the contract.
Speaker 4: I didn't think of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah in his age it's thirty one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: The other thing I want to talk about GM type
Speaker 1: of under the GM umbrella is all these deals that
Speaker 1: are going down in the league and which then you
Speaker 1: think about our situation, and you've got Gonzo waiting for
Speaker 1: his but also with a Spoon waiting for his. Both
Speaker 1: those guys are with the same agent, are still waiting.
Speaker 1: So what does that tell you, if anything? But what
Speaker 1: does that indicate to you? If anything?
Speaker 4: Cornerback market is not moving, and I think a lot
Speaker 4: of these cornerbacks are not getting paid going into their
Speaker 4: third year in the NFL, to which I think is
Speaker 4: something that for gon Zone Witherspoon is probably the tough
Speaker 4: part of that negotiation. You know, the the Chiefs kind
Speaker 4: of did everybody dirty by trading McDuffie and not paying him.
Speaker 4: So they carried McDuffie on the roster till his fourth
Speaker 4: year and then just traded him to the Rams, and
Speaker 4: the Rams paid McDuffie. So the Chiefs made McDuffie play
Speaker 4: the fourth year. And I think that that's where the
Speaker 4: cornerback market is headed now. For a lot of these
Speaker 4: guys are getting forced to wait until their fourth season
Speaker 4: to cash in, and Gonzales and Witherspoon are not going
Speaker 4: into their fourth season, they're going into their third season.
Speaker 4: So is that time in the four season excuse me,
Speaker 4: fifth season? Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Know what you were talking about. I wanted to make
Speaker 2: sure we did confuse.
Speaker 4: And so that I think is, you know, a big
Speaker 4: part of what's happening here, and maybe to an extent
Speaker 4: that the cornerback market is devalued to an extent by teams.
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of teams that feel
Speaker 4: like we can get pressure, and we can figure out
Speaker 4: ways to get pressure in exotic ways to get pressure,
Speaker 4: and maybe we don't need to pay the cornerback thirty
Speaker 4: five million dollars a year, which is I think what
Speaker 4: the chiefs told you. With McDuffie, we have Spagnolo. He's
Speaker 4: going to draw blitzes and he's going to make life
Speaker 4: easier on the corners. So I think that that's the
Speaker 4: biggest takeaway to me, is that the running back market moved.
Speaker 4: The wide receiver market obviously is going to continue to move,
Speaker 4: but the market. That's not moving is corner. You know,
Speaker 4: that's the one that everybody's waiting, and so if you're Gonzales,
Speaker 4: it's you're waiting.
Speaker 1: It's just a good sign that he's continue to be
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 5: But you know, we'll see. I hope this doesn't go
Speaker 5: into the season, you know, I think that might be
Speaker 5: not idem.
Speaker 3: It tells me that Witherspoon and Gonzales are not interested
Speaker 3: in becoming just the highest paid corners.
Speaker 2: They're looking to move that needle a little bit.
Speaker 1: So you're thinking the agent's playing hardball.
Speaker 3: Yep, Well, the players are playing hardball. Players are not
Speaker 3: interested in making thirty one point five million a year.
Speaker 6: Or a.
Speaker 4: Or an esque later contract, which is what a lot
Speaker 4: of these younger corners get. Where they're going to give
Speaker 4: you like a raise for your fourth season and then
Speaker 4: then the contract really doesn't kick in until your fifth season.
Speaker 4: So you're making more than what you would make as
Speaker 4: a rookie on a rookie contract in your fourth year,
Speaker 4: but you're not getting the bag. You don't get the
Speaker 4: bag until year five. And that's how a lot of
Speaker 4: these other like a Sauce Gardner, that's how their contracts
Speaker 4: have been structured, and so I think a lot of
Speaker 4: these guys, Witherspoon, Gonzales, they might want They're saying, no,
Speaker 4: we want the bag today.
Speaker 2: I want to sit in those contracts.
Speaker 3: They're interested in their own And I think there was
Speaker 3: a clip on Hard Knocks that some of the guys
Speaker 3: were talking about today. I didn't see it, so I
Speaker 3: might be missing this a little bit, but I guess
Speaker 3: Witherspoon had conversation and was talking about how, you know,
Speaker 3: beyond quarterback, corner is the most valuable position, and that's
Speaker 3: how he looks at it. I'm sure Gonzalez looks at
Speaker 3: it the same way. You know, Gonzalez talked about do
Speaker 3: you agree with that? I think it's in a small group,
Speaker 3: you know, if you want to put edge rusher over
Speaker 3: that or wide receiver over that. I mean, I can
Speaker 3: listen to your argument. I don't know, but that's it
Speaker 3: for me, you know.
Speaker 2: I know like people.
Speaker 3: I heard it locally on a radio show here about
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, someone said that they don't value the
Speaker 3: cornerback position at all. They think it's like way down
Speaker 3: the list, and I was like, I couldn't possibly disagree more.
Speaker 3: I by they like the Patriots. Was no this guy
Speaker 3: on the radio, this one one of the guys. It
Speaker 3: wasn't a caller. It was no, it wasn't a caller
Speaker 3: sewing on it who tends to have the opposite opinion
Speaker 3: of absolutely everybody all the time, Mark Dundaro. It was like,
Speaker 3: I was like thinking I was in bizarro land. But
Speaker 3: I think it's an extremely valuable position. I think it's
Speaker 3: an extremely hard one to get right, as Bill Belichick
Speaker 3: showed you in his constant search after he let Sante
Speaker 3: Samuel walk until he stumbled on Revis like Taliban Revis like,
Speaker 3: just as mercenaries came in and sort of saved him.
Speaker 3: After all of those years of second round corner stunk,
Speaker 3: second round corner stunk, Terrence John will Will you know,
Speaker 3: Cyrus Jones, Hurling, Moore, Rossi Dolling were no naming second
Speaker 3: round corners.
Speaker 2: I just think that couldn't play. Jonathan will Height was
Speaker 2: a fourth round corner.
Speaker 4: Some of that, though, with Bill was that they played
Speaker 4: so much man and like, I think that one of
Speaker 4: the things we're seeing across the league is that teams
Speaker 4: are playing less and less man coverage. So if you're
Speaker 4: not going to be playing a ton of pure man coverage.
Speaker 4: Then I can understand the argument of why are we
Speaker 4: paying this guy thirty five million dollars to play the
Speaker 4: flat and cover two like like, well, you know, we
Speaker 4: we're kind of.
Speaker 1: But but again it's chicken array. Is the reason why
Speaker 1: a lot of the league's playing more zone is because
Speaker 1: they don't have that elite corner.
Speaker 4: It's possible. I'm just saying, like, I think that's how
Speaker 4: a lot of teams look at it. I think a
Speaker 4: lot of teams. You know, normally you look at the
Speaker 4: premium positions outside a quarterback being people impacting the passing game, receivers, corners,
Speaker 4: left tackles, pass rushers, right, But like, as of right now,
Speaker 4: the pass rushers are getting paid, the wide receivers are
Speaker 4: getting paid, the premium left tackles are getting paid. The
Speaker 4: corners are the ones that are singing for their supper
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I think is interesting.
Speaker 3: Specific to Gonzales, and this is what launched this today
Speaker 3: in his because he talked to the media after practice today.
Speaker 3: He was asked specifically about his draft class, which is
Speaker 3: first of all, a terrific first round. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of hits in that first round and those guys are
Speaker 3: all getting paid. Jamiir Gibbs is still waiting, and Gonzales
Speaker 3: and Witherspoon is still waiting.
Speaker 4: I believe Jamir Gibbs is getting signed right as we speak.
Speaker 3: Oh, is that him getting off the field today. Yeah,
Speaker 3: supposedly he was out at the walkthrough and they.
Speaker 4: Paid Bijon, they paid Jonathan Taylor, and so his contract
Speaker 4: is going to be basically what Bijon got in Atlanta.
Speaker 3: So three for seventy five something like that. So that
Speaker 3: that draft class, supposedly, I think there's I think the
Speaker 3: numbers is like ten, like eight eight Pro bowlers or
Speaker 3: something like that in the first round, and six of
Speaker 3: the eight have already gotten paid or something like like
Speaker 3: ten of them, like eight of But I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: Robinson got it. You know, we just talked about the
Speaker 3: Darnelle right the tackle in Chicago I think was like
Speaker 3: the tenth or eleventh pick of that draft.
Speaker 2: He got it, just just received a big contract.
Speaker 3: So Gonzales absolutely, everything he answered about the contract was
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let my camp, you know, my team handle that.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about any of that. He
Speaker 3: was asked specifically about taking notice of his draft class. Yes,
Speaker 3: yes he has. So this is I agree with Mike.
Speaker 3: It's something to monitor and that you hope gets done
Speaker 3: before the season. You don't want this lingering into the season.
Speaker 4: But bizarre that the running backs are getting paid. But
Speaker 4: the corner I.
Speaker 3: Kind of like, I mean, but you know, I don't
Speaker 3: like the running back general, you know, I do kind
Speaker 3: of like those kinds of contracts. Get them early, give
Speaker 3: him maybe more money, and you want to give them,
Speaker 3: but it's short term. You know, it's only three years,
Speaker 3: and you let him set the market, like that's the
Speaker 3: highest paid running back of all time.
Speaker 2: B John Robinson. Now Evan's telling me that Gibbs is
Speaker 2: going to get the same thing.
Speaker 1: Taylor didn't break it.
Speaker 3: So you know, I don't know what Tailor's numbers are,
Speaker 3: but I can't imagine you got more than twenty five
Speaker 3: a year at his age, it.
Speaker 1: Was pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Do you think j Brown's presence has anything to do
Speaker 5: with wagons is practicing? Like I just I imagine we
Speaker 5: were headed towards the potential hold in and he wasn't
Speaker 5: going to participate, And I think about all the things
Speaker 5: that we and he would have missed out on had
Speaker 5: he not been in these practices going against and I
Speaker 5: you know, I think it's.
Speaker 1: Been good for him the player. He stayed healthy.
Speaker 5: That was a concern obviously, but you know, to be
Speaker 5: able to go be out there and go against that guy,
Speaker 5: then it's it's a good bonus.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that would you know, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to hold out, but oh he's here.
Speaker 2: I won't.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 4: I think he's practicing because there's a chance that he's
Speaker 4: going to have to play this year on the rookie contract.
Speaker 4: And if he's going to have to pay this year
Speaker 4: on the rookie contract, he's got to play well because
Speaker 4: whether it's the Patriots or at somebody else, you won't
Speaker 4: you're showcasing. You know that you're worth at thirty plus
Speaker 4: million dollars a year. You know, I think they all
Speaker 4: all those corners, and I keep bringing up, but all
Speaker 4: those corners, just watch McDuffie just do this exact same
Speaker 4: thing he played the fourth year on the rookie contract.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about all the other ones that didn't
Speaker 3: like Stingley and Startan and Sauce.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but years ago, like no, no, not that years ago,
Speaker 4: two or three years ago now, but.
Speaker 3: When we're all in the same era of football here though,
Speaker 3: I understand, but so one guy broke the mold, like
Speaker 3: the Duffy had to wait till.
Speaker 4: The fourth YEARL like, you're practicing, because it doesn't make
Speaker 4: any sense for him to be practicing.
Speaker 3: I I think he's choosing attacked. I think he thinks
Speaker 3: this is the best way for him to get his contract.
Speaker 4: I think that I maybe, but I I think that
Speaker 4: there's that he feels like there's a chance that he
Speaker 4: might have his win this.
Speaker 1: Year in practicing. Yes, okay, so they're both practicing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now the word is in Seattle they have a strict
Speaker 3: policy that we're not going to negotiate with a player
Speaker 3: who's not practiced, Harris, to which I would say, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not practicing. You don't want to negotiate with me. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm whole, I'm I'm I got a hamstring. I can't practice.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't understand how that works, you know.
Speaker 3: And Gonzalez has been asked a couple of times about
Speaker 3: do the Patriots have a policy like that, and he
Speaker 3: hasn't really gone And.
Speaker 1: I think if you're a team and you say that
Speaker 1: we don't negotiate with people who don't practice, meaning we
Speaker 1: do negotiate. If you do practice, you better get the
Speaker 1: job done. You better get the deal done because you
Speaker 1: know the player is trusting you. Okay, I'm going to
Speaker 1: practice now, and you say you're going to negotiate. You know,
Speaker 1: if I hear from my agent that you're not being
Speaker 1: above board in your offers, then we've got a big problem.
Speaker 1: So you know, you have you have to follow through
Speaker 1: if you're the team. You know, is there a chance
Speaker 1: that this changes though?
Speaker 5: And all of a sudden and I like today I
Speaker 5: heard somebody mention Gonzalez's name as they were coming out,
Speaker 5: and I was like, oh, is he not here today?
Speaker 5: Like I feel like I'm still bracing myself that he
Speaker 5: might not be out there, you know that that maybe
Speaker 5: negotiations have taken a turn and he's getting fed up,
Speaker 5: Like and can that possibly happen into the regular season?
Speaker 1: Like is there you know what I mean? Like, guys,
Speaker 1: don't all of a sudden you pull you pull your hamstring?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean he's got to play a
Speaker 4: certain amount of games to a crew season and all.
Speaker 4: But that's like we're ways away from all that crap.
Speaker 4: But I just I just feel like we're I'm trying
Speaker 4: to figure out ways other than him saying the right
Speaker 4: things of like, I'm just trying to get better, and
Speaker 4: if I'm not practicing, I'm not getting better. Like from
Speaker 4: his side of it, you know, we're just talking about
Speaker 4: the running backs like Jamir Gibbs and Bjhon Robinson were
Speaker 4: holding out they were not practicing, right, But the two
Speaker 4: corners are practicing, and they have the same agent, and
Speaker 4: they're in this exame exact situation as too.
Speaker 3: It's it's interesting, yeah, And I do think that this
Speaker 3: is where the agent might have something to do with it.
Speaker 2: The agent might be encouraging them to practice.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a coincidence that they're both doing
Speaker 3: the same thing, right, Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 2: Good point too.
Speaker 5: I just I guess my brain's wondering who's more valuable
Speaker 5: to their team, you know, Witherspoon. I mean, they're different players,
Speaker 5: you know, and that's and their different schemes, and you know,
Speaker 5: I just I wonder.
Speaker 1: How you suss that out as the agent, you know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean what Evan said earlier made me think, you know,
Speaker 1: teams that have plans to do a lot of blitzing,
Speaker 1: do a lot of early pressure. Does the value of
Speaker 1: your cornerbacks go down because of that? It's just something
Speaker 1: to think about. I mean, I it's kind of their
Speaker 1: marxis chillnes right.
Speaker 5: Like noide early, downtown, slide him inside late in the third, Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then him and even more kind of play off
Speaker 5: of each other.
Speaker 1: I just to me, it's it's it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: that when you have an elite cornerback. It isn't a luxury,
Speaker 1: It isn't something where there's not a lot of them.
Speaker 1: But when you have one, Jesus makes everything so much
Speaker 1: easier on defense when you can just take away that
Speaker 1: their best player.
Speaker 5: It's just the conversation with Drake and A. J. Brown,
Speaker 5: You see like how they have to figure it out.
Speaker 5: It's like you said, it's a problem, you know, figuring
Speaker 5: out how.
Speaker 1: He's going to play, what he's good at. It just
Speaker 1: to me, it just makes running a defense easier when
Speaker 1: you know you've taken away their best producer.
Speaker 3: Maybe the offense is going to be so good it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Well, I think it it was only half Joe.
Speaker 3: If they want to play it was pretty good last
Speaker 3: year and it should be better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they want to play defense the way they
Speaker 4: did in the playoffs last year, and I think the
Speaker 4: way that we've seen out at practice a little bit
Speaker 4: where they are going to be kind of scheming it
Speaker 4: up in the pass rush to get guys in pressure
Speaker 4: to the quarterback. Then you really are putting a lot
Speaker 4: of stress on your corners because they're going to be
Speaker 4: on islands for a lot of those those times. So
Speaker 4: to not have a guy like Gonzalez who can travel
Speaker 4: with the JSN or a Courtland Sutton or you know whoever,
Speaker 4: that does make it harder to blitz the quarterback forty
Speaker 4: five percent of the time.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 4: I think that that when you are putting all your
Speaker 4: resources into the pass rush and in terms of numbers,
Speaker 4: and you're really only playing with maybe a safety over
Speaker 4: the top or maybe nobody over the top, then you
Speaker 4: really need to have a corner like that that can
Speaker 4: go out there and cover. So, I don't know, I
Speaker 4: find the corner is really valuable to fred I. I
Speaker 4: just find it really interesting that everybody else is getting paid,
Speaker 4: all the other positions are getting paid, and they're all
Speaker 4: kind of going about it different.
Speaker 1: It's really only these two guys because the other corner,
Speaker 1: I know, he's older, he's on his third contract, but
Speaker 1: he got paid.
Speaker 4: Who who's done some war got a sweetener paid? Well,
Speaker 4: he got a sweetener. But that was that just a
Speaker 4: little different a market correction. But like that, like say
Speaker 4: Flowers got paid, JSN got paid, Will Anderson got paid
Speaker 4: like all these other positions. You know, the two running
Speaker 4: backs are not.
Speaker 2: Going to get paid a couple of like great draft picks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think didn't. Jack Campbell got paid to like
Speaker 4: so like just going right down the list, the two
Speaker 4: guys that are waiting are the corners with the same agent,
Speaker 4: with the same agent, so you can't so maybe the other.
Speaker 1: Guy they're an outlier and they're a little weird.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe that's just this kind of I'm not
Speaker 3: just dis missing Evans theory. I just you know, i'd
Speaker 3: fire my agent if I let Trent McDuffie's contract completely
Speaker 3: dictate the market just one guy, you know, yeah, like
Speaker 3: you know, the team's never let one outlier, Like not
Speaker 3: everybody got two hundred and fifty million because Deshaun Watson
Speaker 3: signed a contract like that guaranteed right that you know
Speaker 3: that that became an outlier contract. So it never goes
Speaker 3: the outlier that goes the wrong way, never like permeates
Speaker 3: the league. But now we got an outliar that went
Speaker 3: the other way that they made him play the fourth
Speaker 3: year and then he had to wait and get traded
Speaker 3: and get his money somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Is gonna prevent Gonzales and Witherspoon from him.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying that that
Speaker 4: was the most recent example of a cornerback that was
Speaker 4: on a rookie contract, that was a really good player
Speaker 4: that was trying to get paid, and that's how it
Speaker 4: went for McDuffie. Now the Chiefs have a history of that,
Speaker 4: so maybe that's just the steed. Yeah, it might just
Speaker 4: be a Kansas City thing. But we're here on August sixth.
Speaker 4: Then with the Spoon, Gonzales still don't have contracts, all right?
Speaker 1: A five to five pass five hundred is the hotline
Speaker 1: podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address.
Speaker 2: Sneaky, poorly run organization despite all the winning.
Speaker 1: Oh when you got mahomes Hermes in d C, what's
Speaker 1: up herm? It's got a plane?
Speaker 12: I guess hey, I kind of a I'll guess maybe
Speaker 12: like an odd question today in the spirit of the
Speaker 12: Eagles come in to us for a joint practice in
Speaker 12: about two weeks.
Speaker 13: Right, then, it seems to be a national love affair
Speaker 13: with Joe Burrow. And if you just oppose it to
Speaker 13: the conversations rounding Jail and Hurt, I just I just
Speaker 13: don't get it because it seems like Joe Burr is being.
Speaker 14: Put in this pedestal like he you know, you know,
Speaker 14: won every year since he joined the league. And then
Speaker 14: on the flip side, it almost like seems like the
Speaker 14: constations around Jeling hurt Jalen.
Speaker 15: Hurts is that all he's been doing is losing. So
Speaker 15: I guess my question to you all is what is
Speaker 15: the love affair with with Joe Burrow on a national level?
Speaker 13: And then duppo to the conversation with Jayleen Hurt.
Speaker 1: Well, Jalen Hurts might be the Jalen Brown of the NFL.
Speaker 1: You know, he wins a lot and probably doesn't get
Speaker 1: the respect he thinks he should get. Uh, And you know,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow might get more than you know, at least
Speaker 1: herm it sounds like you think he should get. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, with Burrow, there's like he's a good marketing tool.
Speaker 1: I mean, like he wears the first coats and like
Speaker 1: he's Joe cool and and he is a good quarterback
Speaker 1: when he's healthy.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. What do you think is better?
Speaker 2: What do you think is a better an NFL court?
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Burrow not not even close. But he hasn't
Speaker 1: won as much as Jalen Hurs.
Speaker 4: Well, if you put.
Speaker 1: That's the bottom line, he hasn't won as much as Jalen.
Speaker 3: You can't make an argument that the Jalen Hurts Eagles
Speaker 3: are underachieved. Maybe they're kind of stacked, but but I
Speaker 3: think I think, I just think.
Speaker 1: That Burrow is a for marketing purposes and as as
Speaker 1: far as you know faces of the NFL, I think
Speaker 1: that he's easier to sell.
Speaker 4: I think that there's Daniel Jeremia always uses the analogy
Speaker 4: of like there's bus drivers and there's passengers. Joe Burrow
Speaker 4: is a bus driver, Like you put that guy at
Speaker 4: the wheel and he is driving force of your team's success. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts I think is more of a passenger. Like
Speaker 4: I think Jalen Hurts has been on really now he's
Speaker 4: played really well, and I think he's give quarter back.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's a different but I think he's
Speaker 4: you know, when you have that offensive line in Saquon
Speaker 4: Barkley and A. J. Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas
Speaker 4: Goddard in.
Speaker 2: The defense in a very good defend roster.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still one of the best rosters.
Speaker 1: In Joe Burrow was wasted in Cincinnati. It's one of
Speaker 1: the you know, I always say, uh, Andrew Luck, It's
Speaker 1: a shame that he was on the Colts.
Speaker 2: Because he's your modern day Andrew Luck.
Speaker 1: He's wasted there.
Speaker 2: I also thought it was a remarkably gifted quarterback.
Speaker 4: He's been more successful than Andrew Luck. I would say,
Speaker 4: like your Super Bowl got to one and got back
Speaker 4: to champions but.
Speaker 2: I think Luck probably has a much better postseason.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow on the Giants. Can you imagine that, you know?
Speaker 4: Or why we want to put him on the Giant
Speaker 4: New York, Oh, New York.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow in l A on the Chargers. It is mean.
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow was like, that was a one possession game
Speaker 4: in that Super Bowl that they lost to the Rams.
Speaker 4: You know, they had they had the ball and they
Speaker 4: were driving.
Speaker 3: A lot of people will tell you if Aaron Donald
Speaker 3: didn't hit him on that throw, he had Chase open
Speaker 3: down the sideline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourth.
Speaker 4: Double plays away from winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: That's what makes him so interesting to me, is I
Speaker 5: mean until you got aj Brown, we spent similar time
Speaker 5: coveting wide receivers and I mean, god, how much time
Speaker 5: do we talk about trying to get t Higgins?
Speaker 1: And he's had both those guys and you know, really
Speaker 1: is just injuries that people point to.
Speaker 5: But at a certain point, when do you kind of say,
Speaker 5: look like, I know your offensive line hasn't been great,
Speaker 5: but you've got two of I mean Jamar Chase probably
Speaker 5: the best receiver in the league, T Higgins not too
Speaker 5: far behind him that you know, you have those two
Speaker 5: weapons and an excellent quarterback.
Speaker 2: Like, what's the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's football. You need a little bit more than that.
Speaker 4: And you know it said defense is the problem? Like
Speaker 4: the defense two years ago, through what forty five touchdown passes,
Speaker 4: the defense has given up thirty points game.
Speaker 1: I mean Tom Brady twenty eleven.
Speaker 5: Tom Brady had a terrible defense too, and then he
Speaker 5: get their lines has stopped.
Speaker 1: They've been trying to fix it left and right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think less about the line because he had
Speaker 3: the worst offensive line in football, went to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: but he gets hurt a lot, so that's on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got I mean something, you got to say
Speaker 2: one thing.
Speaker 5: We all kind of point to right, like is there
Speaker 5: there's no other real like, come on, dude, get it together,
Speaker 5: Like he's just it's injuries.
Speaker 1: Jo Burrow and Dallas.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine that? Poor Joe Burrow Cincinnati, I really,
Speaker 4: I mean two years ago their problem was definitely their
Speaker 4: defense has been there, threw all the touchdown talk for
Speaker 4: a handful of years. But I think, guy, you know,
Speaker 4: he has less to prove though than like Josh Allen
Speaker 4: or Herbert or Lamar. Like he's done more winning than
Speaker 4: those guys have.
Speaker 2: So Joe Burrow has done more winning than Josh Allen
Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like five and two, Paul, he went to
Speaker 4: a super bowls a super Bowl. Okay, So why do
Speaker 4: we why do we analyze the games if we just
Speaker 4: have to look and see who won the Super Bowl
Speaker 4: and said he's won more in the playoffs, you think.
Speaker 2: I do think he's won more in the playoffs because.
Speaker 4: Josh Allens won a bunch of wild card games that
Speaker 4: we're gonna rack him up.
Speaker 1: So that way we do.
Speaker 2: So Joe, what what Joe Burrows five and two in
Speaker 2: the playoffs?
Speaker 1: I just looked it up.
Speaker 3: And Andrew was four and four, and so he does
Speaker 3: have a better record than Andrew Lucky we were comparing.
Speaker 3: But Josh Allen, which Josh Allen's got like ten or
Speaker 3: twelve playoff wins?
Speaker 4: Does he not? He's been in the playoffs more?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So now we're so now we're not crediting for
Speaker 3: making the playoffs, but we're giving Borrow credit for not
Speaker 3: making the players go to.
Speaker 4: The super Bowl. But don't I said he's had more
Speaker 4: success in the playoffs. I don't think he has.
Speaker 1: Is that not what I said?
Speaker 2: I think eight wins is better than five?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: So which a wild card round is better than five?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: So let's take all the wildcard games away. Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: went to many non wildcard games. Is Joe Burrow won one?
Speaker 4: He went to an AFC championship game that he lost
Speaker 4: to Mahomes and they had to hit along the sideline
Speaker 4: that they called in the Chiefs favor. They lost that
Speaker 4: game and then he made it. That was back to
Speaker 4: back years, right.
Speaker 2: So he won wildcard game that year.
Speaker 4: Okay, So so Josh Allen went to the AFC Championship
Speaker 4: game the COVID year and hasn't been back. We're twenty
Speaker 4: twenty six.
Speaker 3: So it's I would say that, but Adlin's there more often.
Speaker 3: He's had a better playoff track record. Okay, like one
Speaker 3: run that he made he got.
Speaker 2: To the super Bowl. It's two runs though, it's not
Speaker 2: one run to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Otherwise, Alan did the same thing. Allen got to conference championship.
Speaker 3: They losing the conference championship, just.
Speaker 2: Like Burrow did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't get blown one time.
Speaker 2: One time. Borrow got to the super Bowl. So that
Speaker 2: makes him better.
Speaker 4: I didn't say it made him better.
Speaker 2: You said he had more playoff success. I don't think
Speaker 2: he has. He hasn't been to the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Agree, Like, if you want to say he's had more
Speaker 3: playoff success than Lamar Jackson, that I would, I would.
Speaker 3: I would agree with Lamar Jackson's really never had any
Speaker 3: playoff runs. None or Herbert, well, Herbert has never won
Speaker 3: the playoff.
Speaker 1: Gave me listen, I give Joe Burrow that's a blow.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow getting to the playoffs once with that team.
Speaker 1: I give him a lot of credit for But Josh,
Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen has been more successful.
Speaker 4: I mean in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Was Buffalo any less a mess when Joe Burrow Josh
Speaker 2: Allen got there than since it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Right, Like that's a mess of.
Speaker 4: We have different definitions of playoff success and that's okay.
Speaker 4: We don't have to keep arguing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, success for me is playing well in playoff games.
Speaker 1: That's I think.
Speaker 4: Burrows played really well in the playoffs. Now he hasn't
Speaker 4: been there as often as Josh, but that's part of it.
Speaker 1: I mean to say, like when he's there, he's played well.
Speaker 1: It is true, but he's not there a lot.
Speaker 4: That's okay. That wasn't my argument. That's not what I said.
Speaker 4: And if he would keep repeating that, like if he was,
Speaker 4: if he was, like.
Speaker 2: What did you say that Josh Allen was eight and seven?
Speaker 1: Eight and seven?
Speaker 2: If he was, if he was like eight and seven, I.
Speaker 3: Would say he's had more playoff success than Josh Allen
Speaker 3: because he's there every year and he made deeper run.
Speaker 3: He made deeper runs than Josh Allen, but he went twice.
Speaker 3: Like when he was there one year, he had a
Speaker 3: more success than Josh Allen. But I'd rather be the
Speaker 3: guy that gets there every year, so would I. That's
Speaker 3: not that's more success in the playoffs. I think that's
Speaker 3: more playoff success.
Speaker 4: Jordan says the post and we went whoop.
Speaker 2: Jordan say, I think he had more playoff successes. You
Speaker 2: don't like. That's not moving the goal post. We disagree.
Speaker 2: Goal post was here, we went not really you can
Speaker 2: move goal posts. I still disagree with you.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is a bus driver. If he was my
Speaker 1: bus driver, I would never get to school because he's
Speaker 1: hurt every season. Best ability is availability and he gets
Speaker 1: overrated over one good season and beating Mahomes on the road.
Speaker 4: I mean, okay, talent wise he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to go there. Joe Burrow is
Speaker 1: one of the top three or four quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 3: I think there's four, and I think he's one of them.
Speaker 3: But like, I mean, I think that's silly to kill
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow because he gets hurt all the time. Like
Speaker 3: I think that's a mark against him. But like to
Speaker 3: say that you'd never get to like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just think this is a Patriots thing, like who
Speaker 3: we have to lash out, We have to lash out
Speaker 3: at all the other good quarterbacks because no one's as
Speaker 3: good as Brady and now no one's as good as Drake.
Speaker 2: So that's the case.
Speaker 3: Did you see some of these rankings that have come
Speaker 3: out where like Drake has been consistently in the second tier. Yeah,
Speaker 3: how many comments you're getting on these?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like this is is he being snubbed?
Speaker 1: It wrankles, Uh Patriots.
Speaker 4: Fans not not by Matt McCarthy said that Geez sunk
Speaker 4: in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: And that's that's all. Okay, good discussion, discussion.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Chris with a T, I A N.
Speaker 4: What's up, Christian?
Speaker 10: Hey, I'm with that. And Josh Allen sucks in the playoffs?
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Christian.
Speaker 1: That was one of the great ASC championships of all time.
Speaker 4: I mean him going up against mahomes.
Speaker 2: Back that that was a divisional round doesn't count.
Speaker 3: Sorry, sorry, bad argument, so it doesn't count, Tomato, divisional
Speaker 3: ground doesn't count.
Speaker 4: Okay, but I moved the goal post.
Speaker 10: I had a question about the private equity stake that
Speaker 10: the Patriots sold and I think it was like eight or.
Speaker 13: Nine percent or something.
Speaker 10: How can that How can that money be used? And
Speaker 10: does the team? Does the team get all that money once?
Speaker 10: And can it be used you know, for for for
Speaker 10: players and for contracts or is it always designated for
Speaker 10: like certain certain things. I always wonder that, and I
Speaker 10: even when I read online, can never really get like
Speaker 10: a like a clear answer. Well, it was just curious.
Speaker 10: How like that structured?
Speaker 4: I don't know how it's structured.
Speaker 1: But I know this. If you've got that money like
Speaker 1: on paper in the bank, you can use it to
Speaker 1: leverage loans at low rates. You know, so even if
Speaker 1: you don't get in in a lump sum liquid, yeah,
Speaker 1: the bank knows it's coming so that you can do
Speaker 1: more things.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a building down the street that, yes,
Speaker 4: is now a building because they sold eight percent of
Speaker 4: the team to private right.
Speaker 1: And so one thing I do know though is once
Speaker 1: you do that as an owner, now it's always in
Speaker 1: all these agreements that now they can that you have
Speaker 1: to be audited by all that all the result of
Speaker 1: that has to go to those equity partners, you know,
Speaker 1: so you're you're under more of a microscope when you
Speaker 1: take on those people.
Speaker 3: So one of the reasons that teams like to use
Speaker 3: the private equity stuff Christian is because it allows them
Speaker 3: to have that liquid cache, which you're required to have
Speaker 3: in escrow. When you sign these enormous contracts like the
Speaker 3: one we're talking about with Gonzales and the one the
Speaker 3: one that's coming up meat year with Drake May, you
Speaker 3: have to have. The NFL mandates that you have an
Speaker 3: escrow account. If you give someone a fifty million dollars
Speaker 3: signing bonus that he's due on January first, you need
Speaker 3: to have that money and escrow in advance of that,
Speaker 3: and a lot of you know, some owners don't really
Speaker 3: have that kind of liquid. Like every team can build
Speaker 3: the facility down the street, you know, down the parking
Speaker 3: lot with loans and leveraging money and whatever. That's they're
Speaker 3: great businessman and that's what they've made their money doing.
Speaker 3: But when you have a stipulation that says if you
Speaker 3: want to sign this player to this contract and you're
Speaker 3: giving them this amount of money, you need to have
Speaker 3: X amount of millions of dollars, not in like you know,
Speaker 3: in your four oh one K or not in the bank.
Speaker 3: You know, like you need to have the actual dollars.
Speaker 3: That's where the private equity stuff I think is coming in.
Speaker 3: I think that's you know, you know, I don't and
Speaker 3: I don't even pretend to be a business guy at
Speaker 3: that level. But you can make an argument either way
Speaker 3: like that's what it's good, that's why it's good, or
Speaker 3: that could be why it's bad.
Speaker 1: But also you know, listen, like let's just say you
Speaker 1: were a team that took on equity partners and didn't
Speaker 1: have big contracts coming up. I guess you can use
Speaker 1: that money anyway you want, but you're beholden to that investor.
Speaker 1: That's that's an investment for them, and.
Speaker 3: You also need to get yeah, that that investment needs
Speaker 3: to get immediately returned upon your success.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 3: So you can't say, yeah, yeah, I know, I owe
Speaker 3: you that one hundred and ten million, but I'm going
Speaker 3: to wait on that as soon as you you got
Speaker 3: to get it back to that.
Speaker 4: I think that a big part of why private equity
Speaker 4: has found its way into sports is because a lot
Speaker 4: of these owners have owned these teams for years and
Speaker 4: years and years, and even though their worth is tied
Speaker 4: up in the asset like they are worth ten billion dollars,
Speaker 4: because the Patriots are worth ten billion dollars, But that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean they have ten billion dollars of cash in
Speaker 4: their mattress right right, So in order for them to
Speaker 4: cash out on the asset, they would have to sell
Speaker 4: the asset. So what they're allowing teams to do. And
Speaker 4: this kind of came into football because a lot of
Speaker 4: these teams are owned by families that have owned the
Speaker 4: teams for generations. So the Rooneys, for example, like haven't
Speaker 4: been able to really cash in on the asset in
Speaker 4: fifty years, you know, So like this is the way
Speaker 4: that they go about allowing them to get more liquid
Speaker 4: cash on hand is selling these you know, the Patriots
Speaker 4: sold eight percent of the team to private equity. That
Speaker 4: Dad's a big reason why they're doing it is because really,
Speaker 4: I know, it sounds crazy because they're net worse or
Speaker 4: in the billions, but it's because their portfolios of net
Speaker 4: worth is in the billions, not because they actually have
Speaker 4: that that's not.
Speaker 5: And you look on Zillo and says your home value
Speaker 5: is good, but go take out a he lock loan
Speaker 5: against the value of your house. You know, it's kind
Speaker 5: of how it works. Loosen up some of that.
Speaker 1: But I did read somewhere where last year or beginning
Speaker 1: of this year, every owner in the NFL got a
Speaker 1: check for almost half a billion dollars.
Speaker 5: And that's before just for the c BA stuff, anything
Speaker 5: for like team podcast hosts.
Speaker 10: Or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it doesn't. Yeah the house which, by the way,
Speaker 1: episode yeah, episode four will will hit on Sunday. Episode
Speaker 1: three really taking off.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we interviewed a guy named Bob King, and I
Speaker 1: guess he has a good circle of people, so spread
Speaker 1: the word. What the king specialty was he do? He
Speaker 1: is a restauranteur. He owned many restaurants and sandwich. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then uh not this episode, we've already filmed it.
Speaker 1: But the episode after we're going to be doing home
Speaker 1: security for homeowners. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 5: You know, serial killers often just find open doors, like
Speaker 5: you know, it's just like they go and they try doors,
Speaker 5: they get in, they go right. And that was one
Speaker 5: of the things that from this many serial killer books
Speaker 5: I've read that I don't alarmed and just make sure your.
Speaker 1: Doors are locked. People don't don't make it easy, don't
Speaker 1: make it serial killers.
Speaker 4: I like the apartment. There's only one way in one
Speaker 4: way curious watch any furious?
Speaker 2: Oh no, I bet you that would be one that
Speaker 2: Lane might.
Speaker 1: Like Cam in Florida. What's up, Cam, Cam Calm.
Speaker 8: They can it's Ken, Ken Ken, Hey, guys, how are
Speaker 8: you doing?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 1: I'm getting palms up from our producer, but we'll go ahead.
Speaker 7: Ken, No problem. Hey guys, morning show, this ring. I
Speaker 7: heard something about.
Speaker 16: For booty.
Speaker 8: What would you guys think about something like that?
Speaker 17: I do that.
Speaker 4: We we did that a couple of I would.
Speaker 1: I would do it.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Giants would.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's really been that talk has
Speaker 4: kind of cooled off.
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, boom Good is definitely.
Speaker 4: Still on the you know, he'll hang up and we'll see.
Speaker 4: But I feel like Thibodeau, we haven't heard quite as
Speaker 4: much about him getting moved as we did maybe in
Speaker 4: the spring.
Speaker 3: Now, neighbors, he looks he looks better than he looks like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been back on the practice field. So maybe the
Speaker 3: urgency for depth of receiver maybe isn't as big for
Speaker 3: the for the Giants, But I know that I don't
Speaker 3: know that they're going to get it. This is like
Speaker 3: Evan's thing, like these guys always seem like they're going
Speaker 3: to get more than they do.
Speaker 2: I agree with Evan on that they were talking about
Speaker 2: like a Day two pick for Thibodeaux, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a third or fourth round pick, similar to
Speaker 4: like what Jalen Phillips got when he moved at the
Speaker 4: deadline last year.
Speaker 2: But I'm not sure that Booty gets it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna t Paul up on this email. Andrew writes,
Speaker 1: and when is enough enough? We have contracts getting more
Speaker 1: and more extravagant, and I understand we do have some
Speaker 1: increase in salary caps to help that issue. I think
Speaker 1: the league needs to get back to reality because these
Speaker 1: franchisers are having trouble even building a great team because
Speaker 1: a player and agent greed. Greed, bad calls, and bad
Speaker 1: rules are ruining the league in the entertainment for watchers.
Speaker 2: I agree with the last part of that email strongly.
Speaker 2: The bad calls are ruining the league.
Speaker 1: I like that, that's just yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, we should hold a bag like the way
Speaker 5: of the world, Like I just every time it's like
Speaker 5: can you believe? I can't believe how much it was,
Speaker 5: because that's just the way that sports contracts are going.
Speaker 1: It's a little jarring to me though, when you have
Speaker 1: to switch.
Speaker 5: Sports and they talk about like a huge hockey contract
Speaker 5: and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, like that's big.
Speaker 4: You know the contract that the guy in San Jose got,
Speaker 4: that was like a legit contract, like you know, as
Speaker 4: far as hockey goes, that was quite the contract that
Speaker 4: he got.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean when you're what did you say
Speaker 3: that the dental and hockey, what did you say they
Speaker 3: ran the better?
Speaker 4: That would be expensive?
Speaker 1: What did you say they cash a check for close
Speaker 1: to like four hundred and fifty million, four.
Speaker 3: Hundred, four hundred and fifty million dollars but doing nothing
Speaker 3: but existing?
Speaker 1: What did that money come to TV for.
Speaker 2: Just being there?
Speaker 3: Like, and if you're good at it, that's craft is
Speaker 3: and you you can sell rights to different things and
Speaker 3: you know, maximize your revenue.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine money?
Speaker 4: This is the problem with these leagues, Like this is
Speaker 4: you know, more of a problem in baseball, I would
Speaker 4: say in other leagues, but like you have teams with
Speaker 4: that are collecting the revenue share check that's equal to
Speaker 4: everybody else, and their payrolls are like, you know nothing,
Speaker 4: And the biggest problem in base and so there their
Speaker 4: return on investment is massive because they're making the revenue
Speaker 4: share check, but their payroll is so low, whereas like
Speaker 4: a team like the Dodgers, you know, they have a
Speaker 4: really big payroll and they're making a ton of money
Speaker 4: because of their TV contract right now.
Speaker 2: They have a huge regional name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but like that, that's I don't think that's as
Speaker 4: big of a problem in football. But in baseball, do.
Speaker 3: You really think there's a team in I mean, I
Speaker 3: know that the emailer probably wasn't being one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: and he's probably trying to set me off, But do
Speaker 3: you really think there's a team in football that doesn't
Speaker 3: have the money to compete?
Speaker 1: Well, I think a lot of I think there are
Speaker 1: some teams whose owners don't have the money. That's not
Speaker 1: what I asked, but you know, and now that they're
Speaker 1: allowing these equity partners, there's no excuse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And this is why I just don't think that there.
Speaker 3: I totally see the difference between a Dallas or a
Speaker 3: New England in Washington and the Giants to like, you know, Arizona,
Speaker 3: you know, Carolina. I totally see the difference. Green Bay
Speaker 3: is probably the poster child for that. But like there's
Speaker 3: no difference in what these teams can set spend on
Speaker 3: their salaries. Like that's all that you might be able
Speaker 3: to make more money and be we're valuable of a
Speaker 3: franchise with the brand name that Pittsburgh and Dallas and
Speaker 3: New England have, But I'm sorry, Like, when you're catching
Speaker 3: a four hundred and fifty million dollar check just for
Speaker 3: being in the NFL, you can pay all the money
Speaker 3: you want to.
Speaker 2: Your your roster.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason the salary cap is exploding
Speaker 3: every year because the revenues are exploding every year. Next year,
Speaker 3: two years, they're going they're trying to have like sixteen
Speaker 3: international games, you know much money they make off of those.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's why they do them is I
Speaker 4: think there's going to be another spike because the TV
Speaker 4: contract is coming up soon.
Speaker 2: They're trying it's really not coming up. They're going to
Speaker 2: get out of it and make a new one.
Speaker 1: Well I heard Fox isn't interested right now.
Speaker 4: Well, I think you you know a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I think I can put Paul in this category. Like
Speaker 4: the streaming is going to get me more, you know,
Speaker 4: like Amazon, Netflix. I think they're going to get more games.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not gonna, like, you know, get
Speaker 1: any sympathy for owners by saying this. But there is overhead.
Speaker 1: I mean, for example, just you know, building down the
Speaker 1: street here is over two hundred million dollars. Then you
Speaker 1: know there's if you have an older stadium, you have
Speaker 1: to renovate or else it's gonna go and disrepair, you know.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of money you have to spend there.
Speaker 1: So there are and then you know, not to mention,
Speaker 1: you know, the money that you have to have an
Speaker 1: s grow for big contracts that are coming up.
Speaker 3: So in the most successful pre and post game show
Speaker 3: in the history of the NFL does not come.
Speaker 2: Cheap, you know, So actually it does.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there is a lot. There is a lot
Speaker 1: of money coming in, there's no doubt. But there's also
Speaker 1: a lot of money going out for these teams.
Speaker 4: I think the one thing that you're working for the
Speaker 4: team has taught me just watching visually US travel and
Speaker 4: the amount of money moving that goes into US traveling
Speaker 4: where there's seven buses and a team plane and an
Speaker 4: X score two hundred hotel rooms.
Speaker 2: Sorry what an ES score for bars?
Speaker 4: The police escort police. You know, all the food, food
Speaker 4: that's available to the players on the road, the conference rooms,
Speaker 4: the whole takeover of the hotel, the people going early
Speaker 4: to scout the hotel that we're going to, like all
Speaker 4: these different things. I'm just thinking to myself, how many
Speaker 4: millions does this cost to just take the team and
Speaker 4: move trip per trip, because it like, it's insane. It's
Speaker 4: actually insane the operation. It's it's really cool to watch,
Speaker 4: but it's insane the operation and the cost that it
Speaker 4: must be to move us.
Speaker 1: I remember my wife the first time she went, I
Speaker 1: think was a Super Bowl trip back in one, but
Speaker 1: she couldn't believe that we got free Dunkin Donuts on
Speaker 1: the bus and there was an escort, and like, we
Speaker 1: just take that for granted.
Speaker 4: The police escort is something. When I went on my
Speaker 4: very first trip, I was like, Mom, Dad, we have
Speaker 4: a police escort.
Speaker 1: Look at I always myself wondering is this really necessary?
Speaker 3: Yes, the time it's not, but there are times where
Speaker 3: you need to get to the plane and it's it's money.
Speaker 5: It's I just see the people who are like on
Speaker 5: the on ramp and you see the state trooper like
Speaker 5: holding everybody there and they must and it's never happened
Speaker 5: to me, But you're sitting there like, what the hell's
Speaker 5: going on?
Speaker 2: And then you see like you're so close.
Speaker 3: It happened to me a couple of times with the
Speaker 3: World Cup, you know, like the teams are coming to
Speaker 3: the facility to get over to be practiced or something
Speaker 3: and yeah and wait, it's just one mini we.
Speaker 1: Got a game to get to.
Speaker 4: I think the uh I think the the the cool
Speaker 4: part too, is like people some people realize it's the
Speaker 4: Patriots and they'll have like their phones, their their phones
Speaker 4: out recording as the caravan and they like and they
Speaker 4: get to they get to our bus and I'm like
Speaker 4: they think that. I'm like Drake here and it's like it's.
Speaker 1: A great video.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't want to be as the person
Speaker 5: they come home and they're like, oh my god, you
Speaker 5: got to see this. And then they're like look, look, look,
Speaker 5: yeah it's the Patriots bus. To stick it in your face,
Speaker 5: I hate that's my biggest pep. But you know, your phones,
Speaker 5: don't get your phones in my face.
Speaker 2: Don't get fred don't ever do it.
Speaker 4: On Sunday nights, sometimes they don't have the police escort
Speaker 4: because it's a Sunday night and it's late and they
Speaker 4: think there'll be nobody on the road. And every once
Speaker 4: in a while you get stuck in traffic and you
Speaker 4: hear on the bus the groans of like no escort
Speaker 4: like and it's like, how.
Speaker 1: Spoiled are you spread? I'll never forget it was a
Speaker 1: night game.
Speaker 4: We got home.
Speaker 1: It's like two, three, four of them more I forget.
Speaker 4: And I've never seen thicker fog.
Speaker 1: The bus driver we had, I think it was her
Speaker 1: first time driving, and we're bus five, so we're the
Speaker 1: last one, and she lost the rest of the convoy
Speaker 1: and I hear them on the phone yelling at her,
Speaker 1: you need to keep up, And I said to I said,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Just we're fine. We'll get there,
Speaker 1: like there was no reason.
Speaker 4: You couldn't.
Speaker 1: Go in front of you.
Speaker 4: It was so thick.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that trip.
Speaker 2: Honey, you're doing frive.
Speaker 1: We're not greahound bus material. And then there was another one,
Speaker 1: you know, telling a bus stories, But there was another one.
Speaker 1: We had a young kid, I think his first time
Speaker 1: driving the Patriots, and he was a young guy and
Speaker 1: for some reason he didn't get the memo that bus
Speaker 1: five is the last bush and he starts racing the
Speaker 1: other bus to get first. And I mean, we're going
Speaker 1: up through Providence and he's going about eighty five in
Speaker 1: this in this bus, this Plymouth bus, and one of
Speaker 1: the doctors finally goes.
Speaker 4: Gotta kill us.
Speaker 2: It was pan essential.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, It's like, what is this guy? We
Speaker 1: never saw him again?
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 1: I was on that bus.
Speaker 4: Nothing travel for you like the team charter, not like
Speaker 4: you become the most spoiled traveler, Guilty as charged. It
Speaker 4: just ruins you for life, like any commercial plane. I
Speaker 4: was just thinking.
Speaker 5: The last prem post game show was obviously the AFC
Speaker 5: Championship game with that huge blizzard and then you know,
Speaker 5: you guys all stayed here.
Speaker 1: But I remember driving home and then it was like
Speaker 1: nobody on the roads. That was one of the craziest
Speaker 1: at home. That was recent. I was like years ago
Speaker 1: this champions because you.
Speaker 8: Guys night right.
Speaker 1: D it was crazy.
Speaker 5: I was lucky to get behind a plow and then
Speaker 5: that kind of but I mean that was that that
Speaker 5: the whole weather from last winter, and then the gun
Speaker 5: of the combine.
Speaker 4: It was he's a blizzard to the night. Endeavor was fantastic.
Speaker 4: I wish we did that around. Like they just won
Speaker 4: the AC Championship game, You're going to the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Everybody snowed in in the team hotel.
Speaker 1: It was really like the bus is leaving at eight
Speaker 1: and if you ain't there the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was no curfew, Yeah it was. It was
Speaker 4: a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: If you're not on it, you're not going to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. James is in Georgia. What's up, James? James
Speaker 1: in Georgia. Jimmy, you're gone. You hang up and listen. Uh,
Speaker 1: Chad's in La, what's up?
Speaker 17: Chad?
Speaker 11: Hey?
Speaker 5: How are you guys?
Speaker 9: Put me in for a blueberry blueberry muffin on the
Speaker 9: bake sale.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, to raise money for the owners, Okay, make.
Speaker 2: Sure exactly, Yeah, make sure the Raiders can make payroll.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 9: I have a little grievance that I want to share,
Speaker 9: And I'm just curious on what your take is on this.
Speaker 9: So I always here. You know, we we go get
Speaker 9: good players, you know that's most important. And you know
Speaker 9: we have this chemistry, you know between May and Booty
Speaker 9: and I'm just wondering where the conflict is in keeping him.
Speaker 9: I mean, if it's working, why break that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be here well, and they also
Speaker 2: think they have a guy that's better than that.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think it's volume.
Speaker 2: It's yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, he's in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 4: He's going to be a free agent next year. And
Speaker 4: if he's only going to get forty targets in New
Speaker 4: England in a contract year because he's behind AJ Brown
Speaker 4: and Romeo Dobs and Pop Douglas and he's the fourth
Speaker 4: receiver here, or he can go someplace else and be
Speaker 4: the number two receiver and get eighty eighty to one
Speaker 4: hundred targets and then next offseason cash in on that.
Speaker 4: From his perspective, I think that's where it's at. And
Speaker 4: maybe he is better than Romeo Dobbs. I think at
Speaker 4: times in practice he's looked better than Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 3: He might be a better pure receiver than Romeo Dobbs
Speaker 3: in this offense, but he's gonna play the AJ Brown
Speaker 3: spot more often than not. I'm not sure he's better
Speaker 3: in the in where Romeo Dobbs generally lines up than
Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs. He might be a better X than Romeo Dobbs.
Speaker 1: Is he is he in a tough tough spot, booty,
Speaker 1: because how many teams right now are looking for number
Speaker 1: two outside receiver.
Speaker 4: Now Washington just signed Diggs. They were kind of like
Speaker 4: the big team that was, you know, next to Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 4: I think teams like Carolina. You know, they have Coker,
Speaker 4: who's a good player. They have ted obviously, you know,
Speaker 4: but they they drafted my guy Brazl. Now he's out
Speaker 4: for the season. Uh. San Francisco has injuries at wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Mike Devin everywhere only twenty only twenty Yeah.
Speaker 4: So that you know substation, there's actually nothing that's coming
Speaker 4: from that, right.
Speaker 2: So was there any truth to the fact that Carolina
Speaker 2: has one?
Speaker 3: So they do they do have one, Yes, and some
Speaker 3: of these injuries that they've had have been non contact
Speaker 3: to like it's.
Speaker 4: They do have one. But the one in San Francisco
Speaker 4: that became such a story that John Lynch claims that
Speaker 4: they hired a third party, a bunch of scientists to
Speaker 4: do testing to make sure that it wasn't real. Even
Speaker 4: though we were all it was. It was totally like
Speaker 4: not real, and they claim it's not real.
Speaker 5: I don't think but at a certain point when stuff
Speaker 5: like this keeps happening like those, you feel like they're like,
Speaker 5: we got to do something.
Speaker 4: Because in our head. Now it's not true, it's in
Speaker 4: our head, like and every time someone gets just bad luck,
Speaker 4: I mean we they NFL Twitter pressured the Diners into
Speaker 4: having real scientists study the error over their practice fields
Speaker 4: to make sure that they weren't getting injured players because
Speaker 4: of this electrical substance.
Speaker 1: They're walking around with, Like the goes think about it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, literally, they're wearing like hazmat suits. It's okay.
Speaker 4: I did not know.
Speaker 2: I did not know any of this. I know about
Speaker 2: the substation. I didn't know that the Niners had a
Speaker 2: hire a company to conduct the story.
Speaker 4: They claim that they have gotten people in there, and
Speaker 4: they insist that there is no actual truth to it.
Speaker 4: That is just a funny thing that fans are.
Speaker 1: I just I think there's another team.
Speaker 5: It's it's hard to project booty into your offense, you know,
Speaker 5: especially like I'm most like and like if you have
Speaker 5: like Mac Jones, like you know, his best thing is
Speaker 5: getting downfield and catching the deep ball, and so you know,
Speaker 5: if you had a guy who can heave it and
Speaker 5: you feel like, you know, that would give me confidence.
Speaker 5: But bringing them in, you can't expect them to be
Speaker 5: a high volume guy. You can't really expect to move
Speaker 5: him around. But like Kansas City, I'd be interested.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think that's the other problem too, is like Kansas
Speaker 4: City Buffalo, I think there would be interest there. But like,
Speaker 4: if you're the Patriots, do you really want to give
Speaker 4: the chiefs a guy that can help them?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, this is my question though, did
Speaker 1: the Patriots really care?
Speaker 4: Like did they care?
Speaker 1: Like, because it's all up to kash On Booty.
Speaker 5: If kaish On Booty was unhappy and like you know,
Speaker 5: we talk about he wants the targets and all that.
Speaker 5: If he's here and he's playing, like.
Speaker 1: Why do they feel the need to get rid of him? Well,
Speaker 1: that he's going to be okay being number five, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what chat limited.
Speaker 4: I don't think from a Patriots perspective, there is a
Speaker 4: big deal. I think that this is all from Kaishon
Speaker 4: And I'm not putting it like he's doing wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think Karen Grigian had that he
Speaker 4: requested a trade Kaishon Booty requested the track, right, so
Speaker 4: like this is not I think the Patriots would love
Speaker 4: to keep the embarrassment of Riches for as long as
Speaker 4: they possibly can.
Speaker 2: If for nothing else insurance, you know, someone goes down.
Speaker 2: You have a guy that's.
Speaker 4: Romeo Dobbs isn't as good as they thought he was
Speaker 4: going to be in the offense or whatever. But this
Speaker 4: is a Kaishan Booty problem that he doesn't see the
Speaker 4: volume and the opportunity and chat.
Speaker 1: Sorry, good, good question. I was going to say that
Speaker 1: makes me feel a little better.
Speaker 5: If if the Patriots are willing to keep them, then great,
Speaker 5: And if it's Booty's decision, well that's his choice.
Speaker 9: But uh, I'm glad that we're thinking the way that
Speaker 9: this is just us.
Speaker 4: Like we're advising.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what the Patriots are thinking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they shouldn't and they shouldn't be worried about
Speaker 5: his targets, you know, I mean keeping them happy is
Speaker 5: like yeah, but yeah, just based off their actions, it
Speaker 5: doesn't seem like they're in any huge rush to trade them.
Speaker 4: They haven't yet, see.
Speaker 2: I mean I was struck today. It was a lot
Speaker 2: of mac collins, you know, with that group. So I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are necessarily thinking in terms of
Speaker 3: Booty having a significant role this year.
Speaker 5: That's you know, one more thing too. Just not a
Speaker 5: great probably time for Dobbs to miss a couple of days.
Speaker 5: Like I feel like we've talked about him slow start,
Speaker 5: felt like he was maybe coming on a little bit concerned.
Speaker 4: And then he now he's missing practices, and I and
Speaker 4: I started to making a you know, we're in a
Speaker 4: small sea, concerned show. Everything is only a small seq.
Speaker 3: Let's see where we get maybe on Monday, because I
Speaker 3: do think he was starting to show signs of picking
Speaker 3: things up, looking a little bit more comfortable, and then
Speaker 3: you know, he missed today's practice. I don't know, we'll see,
Speaker 3: we'll see how long he's out. You know, they practice tomorrow,
Speaker 3: then they get the weekend off, so I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if he's not there tomorrow to see where we're
Speaker 3: at Monday.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like whenever they throw him the ball,
Speaker 4: it just doesn't look doesn't look great. It's Paul's thing, Like,
Speaker 4: it doesn't look great, it doesn't look right, like it
Speaker 4: looks like Patriots plays, you know, like it does it
Speaker 4: looks like you know, the throw is a little bit
Speaker 4: off or you know he's not maybe head.
Speaker 2: Well, Brendan Lloyd just made everything look impossible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just as one of those weird ones where like
Speaker 4: you know, he'll run a curl and like the throw
Speaker 4: will be like a little bit off and it's like, well,
Speaker 4: was that just a bad throw or did he was
Speaker 4: he in the wrong right place?
Speaker 3: And this is why I say the Patriots plays, I've
Speaker 3: watched these plays for a lot a lot of years,
Speaker 3: and yes that's because you're old, Yes.
Speaker 2: Very much so.
Speaker 3: And when they don't when, when that happens what Evans said,
Speaker 3: I automatically say, the quarterback threw it where we're supposed to,
Speaker 3: the receiver didn't catch except for one Mac Jones through it.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: Cat is from Chicago. Is in Rhode Island? What's up? Cat?
Speaker 1: You're here for the BTS concert? What's up?
Speaker 4: Cat?
Speaker 17: No, I'm here for you know, New England?
Speaker 6: You enjoying it?
Speaker 1: Are you in Newport?
Speaker 17: How are you? How have you guys been well?
Speaker 2: We miss you?
Speaker 1: Doing good?
Speaker 2: You haven't been around.
Speaker 1: We actually went to a super Bowl this year. It's crazy.
Speaker 17: I'm around, I'm listening. I'm just not able. To call
Speaker 17: in most days, so you know, I'm I'm but I'm
Speaker 17: on vacation this week.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Cat has one of the great houses in Chicago.
Speaker 2: She's done renovating. Yeah, Toby House.
Speaker 17: No, I'm actually I'm actually in the middle of re renovating.
Speaker 17: We bought the house next door and decided to add
Speaker 17: it on We hired.
Speaker 2: Money in Chicago on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 17: So so when you guys come to Chicago, whoever's coming
Speaker 17: to Chicago, I want to set up a big dinner
Speaker 17: if you're open to it, and take you guys out.
Speaker 2: If you know, Wednesday night dinner with Fred and Cat.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Awesome Wednesday night dinner.
Speaker 17: Wednesday's perfect. I'll set something up.
Speaker 1: All right, So what's what's up?
Speaker 17: Well, just I'm thinking I might come. I'm hoping I'll
Speaker 17: make it down to practice tomorrow, which should be fun.
Speaker 17: And yeah, I have a take on the Booty situation
Speaker 17: where I think they're I mean, I don't see the
Speaker 17: reason why you would trade him at this point. You
Speaker 17: got to keep him, You play him early in the season,
Speaker 17: and then you try to recoup some of that draft
Speaker 17: capital that you lost in the Aj Brown deal. You know,
Speaker 17: what I mean, you get, you keep him, somebody is
Speaker 17: going to get injured for another team, There's going to
Speaker 17: be some sort of situation where somebody is looking for,
Speaker 17: you know, an additional wide receiver who can be a
Speaker 17: deep threat, and then you keep them. And at that
Speaker 17: point you're going to you're going to get a lot
Speaker 17: more for him than you would right now in the
Speaker 17: open market. And I think probably he understands that too.
Speaker 17: You know, he'll find his new home. Somebody then will
Speaker 17: give him a big deal, and it worked out for everybody.
Speaker 17: So I hope that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3: I think there is waiting out to see if someone
Speaker 3: give him something like if he's on the team at
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year. I don't know how he
Speaker 3: increases his value not being a part of the offense.
Speaker 3: If someone gets hurt here, I don't think he would play,
Speaker 3: and based on practices, I don't think he'd play a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't think he'd play a bit.
Speaker 1: I don't think he last year.
Speaker 2: I don't think so he played a lot last year.
Speaker 4: I think he'd played probably like what Kyle Williams played
Speaker 4: last year. You know that's I could see twenty But
Speaker 4: I think the only thing is is like if you
Speaker 4: get into the season and you know, same thing as
Speaker 4: with training camp. You know, people get hurt, teams realize
Speaker 4: we don't have enough like things like that, and maybe
Speaker 4: at the deadline there's an urgency for a team that
Speaker 4: gets desperate and makes that trade. I think that same
Speaker 4: urgency might exist at the end of training camp. But
Speaker 4: the difference is is that if you hold on to
Speaker 4: Booty for the first eight or nine weeks of the
Speaker 4: regular season, if something doesn't work out with somebody, if
Speaker 4: someone gets hurt on your team, or Romeo Dobbs isn't
Speaker 4: getting it or something like that, then you have Booty
Speaker 4: in your back pocket. Like, I think that this is
Speaker 4: one of those similar situations there. You know, I think
Speaker 4: Belichick did this a lot, where you know, you held
Speaker 4: onto the player until the last possible second.
Speaker 2: You'll align.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty.
Speaker 17: Worried about Dobbs. Dobbs to me does not check all
Speaker 17: the boxes. So yeah, I don't know how you guys
Speaker 17: feel about that. I have I've heard you say he's
Speaker 17: not making much of a splash in training keep.
Speaker 2: No, he's been quiet, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 17: So I'm a little worried about that one. But you know, see,
Speaker 17: I'm excited to get down there and see the team.
Speaker 17: And if I see you guys out there, all stuff
Speaker 17: by and stay high.
Speaker 3: All right, Kat, see you tomorrow. Thanks for calling one
Speaker 3: of the all time greats. Right there, you guys. Yep,
Speaker 3: Kat in Chicago, O G O G.
Speaker 1: Let's see Chris and North Carolina. I think our biggest
Speaker 1: need is tight end and our deepest position is wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Why not in the off season have MATC. Collins boke
Speaker 1: up ten to fifteen pounds and triumph the position. We
Speaker 1: just he could be a mismatic annoy me.
Speaker 4: I'm just reading.
Speaker 5: Even if you both up ten fifty pounds, he's still
Speaker 5: need to be small, a small title, a small tight end.
Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, I'll just say the same
Speaker 5: thing everything he's going to do some of those he's
Speaker 5: going to do something in the slot. He's going to
Speaker 5: block some guys and stuff like that. But he's probably
Speaker 5: not going to put his hand in the dirt and
Speaker 5: have to like just go one on one with the defensive.
Speaker 3: Using the wide receiver as a tight end doesn't solve
Speaker 3: your tight end problem. Like even if he is sort
Speaker 3: of a de facto tight end, which I think he
Speaker 3: is at times, and Evan talks about this incessantly.
Speaker 2: Especially at red zone. You know, but it doesn't solve
Speaker 2: your tight end problem.
Speaker 1: He boxed.
Speaker 2: If Hunter Henry goes, you have a tight end problem.
Speaker 4: He box slot corners, safeties and linebackers. But he has
Speaker 4: te next to his name. We like that more than
Speaker 4: if he box slock corners, safeties and linebackers with the.
Speaker 2: Wr and trying to save you the prem.
Speaker 4: Wait, we I keep repeating the same thing.
Speaker 1: I'll just make one quick point though. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just Hunter Henry gets hurt.
Speaker 5: They're in a position I don't remember the last time,
Speaker 5: like they always had kind of some insurance for Gronk
Speaker 5: Marty Bennett and you know they always the too well,
Speaker 5: just throw them in the flames. But you know, I
Speaker 5: just I think this is the thinnest that position's been
Speaker 5: behind their numbers.
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Speaker 7: I think he just it's great for Will. He just
Speaker 7: gets it.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: I think he gets the you know what, you know
Speaker 7: how to practice.
Speaker 16: You know, he gets you having to come here and
Speaker 16: show up every day because you know there's no days
Speaker 16: off in this You go and practice league when you're
Speaker 16: blocking guys one on ones and you got team next
Speaker 16: and then we got two minutes. Like it's constant. And
Speaker 16: I think that's what Will is understanding. You know, different
Speaker 16: from college. You know, it's constant. You got to you
Speaker 16: train your body and train your mind and you'll be
Speaker 16: out here every day, each and every day and treat
Speaker 16: it like, man, I gotta try to get better today.
Speaker 16: And I think he's learned that really fast and I
Speaker 16: think he's you know, taking it, You're taking a head
Speaker 16: on and I'm looking forward to seeing you know him
Speaker 16: this year do his thing.
Speaker 1: He started slow yesterday and then finished pretty strong.
Speaker 7: What did you learn about the group yesterday?
Speaker 2: And what is a strong finish like that do for you?
Speaker 16: I think it's you know, you know, I hate to say,
Speaker 16: but sometimes it's gonna happen, and we try to avoid
Speaker 16: that as best I can. I can maybe do a
Speaker 16: better job of starting us off faster, but no, you
Speaker 16: gotta respond, you know. That's that's the that's the NFL,
Speaker 16: that's life, you know, responding from times where you feel
Speaker 16: like maybe lest some players out there, and we really
Speaker 16: realize that it's self inflicted. So we got to take
Speaker 16: care of our stuff. On offense, you'll be in the
Speaker 16: right spot and takes all eleven of us. So just no,
Speaker 16: the we're on the same page, really.
Speaker 7: Strong, cancel far, he's going to involved, it's on the
Speaker 7: trade rooms.
Speaker 3: He's going to get your thoughts on that and whether
Speaker 3: you'd like to see if you stick around this season.
Speaker 16: I think just the way catch on the approach to him,
Speaker 16: and he's here, he's here now, he's he he's where
Speaker 16: his feet at and you know, I'm having fun throwing
Speaker 16: him out there in practice. He's doing a great job
Speaker 16: and he makes plays on the footballs in the air
Speaker 16: and I think you can speak for that. That speaks
Speaker 16: for itself. So I've had a lot of great times
Speaker 16: with Kayshawn and I'm looking forward to you keep getting better.
Speaker 7: Eatch you every day.
Speaker 20: The phrase chemistry a lot the team has chemistry, A
Speaker 20: quarterback has chemistry, or receivers.
Speaker 1: What's your definition of chemistry and do you have it
Speaker 1: with your teammates.
Speaker 7: I think chemistry is ongoing. I think there's different levels
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 16: I think there's times where you you try to, you know,
Speaker 16: build it, and there's times where you try to you know,
Speaker 16: maybe you feel like you can, you know, even reach
Speaker 16: that next level. I think there's always, you know, ways
Speaker 16: to improve with players. I think guys that are playing
Speaker 16: for so long and you know whoever it was, Brady
Speaker 16: and Gronk, I bet if you asked them, they'd still
Speaker 16: say and you know, year seven and eight, they're still,
Speaker 16: you know, building ways for their game. And I think
Speaker 16: there's times where you know, you feel like you're in
Speaker 16: a at a stage with a player for two or
Speaker 16: three years with Hunter, and there's still times where me
Speaker 16: and Hunter, you know, so thirty you're playing together that
Speaker 16: we can still elevate our games and and kind of
Speaker 16: you know, different looks. There's so many different routes and
Speaker 16: so many different plays and looks where you can feel like, hey,
Speaker 16: I understand what he's doing, what he's thinking, and we're
Speaker 16: trying to react the same way to just heave With
Speaker 16: Tom Brady, is there anything that you picked up when
Speaker 16: it comes to the way that he used and manipulated tempo.
Speaker 16: I think coach McDaniels is, you know, one of the
Speaker 16: best about you know, kind of learning from it because
Speaker 16: he's the one I was teaching it out there and
Speaker 16: calling it. So I think just having you know, the
Speaker 16: best thing is having you know what to do before
Speaker 16: you snap it. I think, not snap it into a
Speaker 16: bad look or just to play fast for no reason.
Speaker 7: I think coach is great about, you know, making sure
Speaker 7: we're in a good play.
Speaker 16: I think that was one of the things you notice
Speaker 16: when we're watching some of the tempo, to make sure
Speaker 16: we have a good play and stay on track, because
Speaker 16: you don't want to snap it fast and have incomplete
Speaker 16: or a negative run. You want to kind of keep
Speaker 16: the chains moving and keep it going to keep the
Speaker 16: defense tired and on their heels. So that's the biggest
Speaker 16: thing I noticed, is just kind of you know, keeping
Speaker 16: the chains moving.
Speaker 7: Contract negotiations and here to still be ongoing.
Speaker 20: Here, You're you're a year from being in a similar
Speaker 20: spot where you can negotiate a new deal. Does how
Speaker 20: this has gone with him make you wonder at all
Speaker 20: if you might have to wait for a new deal
Speaker 20: from the Patriots.
Speaker 16: I'm not thinking about that right now. I mean, I think,
Speaker 16: you know, I'm you know, a big fan of Gonzo
Speaker 16: and and kind of how things are playing out. So
Speaker 16: I respect him for being out here and Pete and
Speaker 16: one to practice. I think that speaks a lot for
Speaker 16: you know, you know him wanted to be here, and
Speaker 16: you know, I think, you know, like I said, he's
Speaker 16: said before, he's one of the best Scorns in the league.
Speaker 16: So I'm looking forward to, you know, playing with him,
Speaker 16: and I'm glad he's on our team.
Speaker 7: To think about, you know, your future and your long
Speaker 7: term future and maybe being I don't think, you know,
Speaker 7: I think it's hard to think about it. For me.
Speaker 16: I try to be in the president, you know every day,
Speaker 16: you know, the president. That's why they called a president.
Speaker 16: Man's a gift. So I just try to, you know,
Speaker 16: be here, be where my feet are, and try to
Speaker 16: get better and better.
Speaker 7: Talk more trash than the offensive. Is there someone on
Speaker 7: the defensive side of the ball who gets after that?
Speaker 16: We still just love talking football, you know, really respects
Speaker 16: Ballane's you know, knowledge for the game. And you know,
Speaker 16: I think he he loves you know, talking and he
Speaker 16: loves seven on seven and trying to pick me off.
Speaker 7: And I think he's a great player in this league.
Speaker 16: And I think he's just shows up man and the
Speaker 16: uh he has a few interceptions last year, but uh
Speaker 16: on defense?
Speaker 7: Who talks a lot on the field. That's a good question,
Speaker 7: Charles Woods. Yeah, I'm not. They're outside.
Speaker 16: Don't want to hear him as much. I hear Barmore
Speaker 16: inside a little bit. Barbore will get riled up. I
Speaker 16: like hearing Barmore talk. But you know, really, I think
Speaker 16: all our guys got a little little stuff to him.
Speaker 16: I think that's what you need in defense. You like
Speaker 16: having hearing those guys and you know, I try to,
Speaker 16: you know, be nice to them. But at the same time,
Speaker 16: you got a little, you gotta have a little you'll
Speaker 16: talk back because you know they respected. Your relationship with
Speaker 16: Dared Wilson goes back to when he was almost a
Speaker 16: college teammate.
Speaker 7: So how does that kind of help you guys in
Speaker 7: this transition with him? And so, yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 7: play for him back in college.
Speaker 16: He took his talents to a bigger, bigger dreams, So
Speaker 16: you know, I can't blame him for that, but no,
Speaker 16: I think he's done a great job of adapting. It's
Speaker 16: you know, it's a lot more communication. You know, I
Speaker 16: think he was one he was eager to get inside
Speaker 16: and play center. So he's he's kind of learning the
Speaker 16: kind of the senter he played in college. But in
Speaker 16: the NFL, man, it's every day and you got to
Speaker 16: be durable and you got to be you know, you know,
Speaker 16: communication and little things like that. But he's doing a
Speaker 16: great job and looking forward to kind of building you know,
Speaker 16: center and quarterback.
Speaker 7: Me, that's one of the biggest relationships on the field.
Speaker 16: I'll talk a little bit with a guy like dogs
Speaker 16: committed into our system and Josh's offense, Yeah, how much
Speaker 16: you have to work with.
Speaker 2: Him decision making the emakes how to get on that
Speaker 2: same page as.
Speaker 7: You go into this with a sense of Yeah, I
Speaker 7: think he's a fast learner. That's the biggest thing. You know,
Speaker 7: he's a fast learner.
Speaker 16: So it's it's it's really easy for a good player
Speaker 16: at the fast leunner to to kind of understand things.
Speaker 16: And I think there's you're trying to overload them and
Speaker 16: try to take it one thing at a time. But
Speaker 16: at the same time, he feel like he's got, you know,
Speaker 16: a great capacity for for knowledge of the game, you know,
Speaker 16: knowledge of how he does things, and just like picking
Speaker 16: his brain about how they did things maybe in Green Bay,
Speaker 16: and try to say how are different, how are we similar,
Speaker 16: and kind of how I see things. So he played
Speaker 16: with a great quarterback there, and I think, you know,
Speaker 16: trying to you know, like I said, build chemistry and
Speaker 16: get on the same page and he'll make some great
Speaker 16: plays for us.
Speaker 4: Let fly against the different defense next morning.
Speaker 16: Yeah, we were just talking in locker room and you
Speaker 16: kind of get want to, you know, face somebody else,
Speaker 16: but at the same time you got to you know,
Speaker 16: not not shy away from trying to get better against
Speaker 16: our defense, which is a great defense. So yeah, We're
Speaker 16: looking forward against some more practice against us and then
Speaker 16: obviously got you know, Indan Apples coming in, So looking
Speaker 16: forward to you know, getting somebody else to hit.
Speaker 4: You when it comes to you for the season again
Speaker 4: and help much series again.
Speaker 16: Yeah, no, I think you know, I haven't even heard,
Speaker 16: so we haven't even talked about that. We're trying to
Speaker 16: you'll stay focused on practice and you know what what
Speaker 16: we did last year and maybe a little bit different
Speaker 16: scheduled this year. But I'll be out there, you know,
Speaker 16: if they want to be out there, I'll be out there.
Speaker 16: So I'm not shign away from probably being out there.
Speaker 7: And now great moments in built history.
Speaker 1: One o'clock on CBS, the one and one Bears are
Speaker 1: at the oh to two.
Speaker 2: Cults ind by one.
Speaker 1: Oh tough one?
Speaker 2: Ah, what's that?
Speaker 1: What's that really?
Speaker 17: Though?
Speaker 2: Fred? Well, they're minus two then plus two.
Speaker 1: Well there you go, tells you all the to know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm gonna go Cleveland at home.
Speaker 1: No Indies plus one, they get three, so they're minus two.
Speaker 2: They're at home, so they they get three, right, right,
Speaker 2: So it's really like they're plus two.
Speaker 4: They should be four.
Speaker 2: So if you're getting three that means they're favored by one.
Speaker 1: They're not getting it.
Speaker 2: They are get they're giving points. They're favored by one.
Speaker 4: They didn't get the three.
Speaker 2: If you couldn't follow the nonsensical three points for the home,
Speaker 2: what would the spread be if it was neutral? Don't
Speaker 2: bring me into this anyone for three?
Speaker 1: Did you get three points at home? You would you
Speaker 1: giving you plus three?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Plus two? If it was zero?
Speaker 1: I thought you get three.
Speaker 2: Three at home?
Speaker 3: He says you get three. It's not it doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: But he insists that you get three at home.
Speaker 2: It's a rule. So they're favored by one.
Speaker 1: Isn't three minus three zero?
Speaker 2: So that would be you remind us seeing.
Speaker 4: Three you said it was zero, that would be you gotta.
Speaker 1: Hurry, We gotta I gotta hurry. That's another great moment
Speaker 1: from and Costello. That was great. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've heard that one.
Speaker 2: It's a rule.
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Speaker 2: Studio from tonight.
Speaker 1: That's right. Can I ask you a question real quick.
Speaker 1: I'm in the market for a new refrigerator. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna buy one. Any any tips on I
Speaker 1: go with ge probably, you know, like it depends on
Speaker 1: how many bells and whistles you want. I'd love to
Speaker 1: have Crush Dice. I love Crush. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's not like they have like smart refrigerators. Now,
Speaker 3: I think that's Fred's talking.
Speaker 1: We get smart.
Speaker 2: I don't think you want that smart.
Speaker 4: You know the LGDU have a lot of bells and whistles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a ge you know it's a double
Speaker 5: door with the double door, that's what That's what my
Speaker 5: dream is.
Speaker 4: The thing, Crush Dice.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna do.
Speaker 5: It's tax free weekend this week, and so I think
Speaker 5: we're going to make a make a purchase that we've
Speaker 5: been dreaming about for a long time.
Speaker 1: You know, it's our ice machine just has never worked.
Speaker 1: I literally need to put like I have to.
Speaker 5: Put a tray underneath the ice maker because it just
Speaker 5: drips water down and it'll be like Game of Thrones
Speaker 5: to the wall.
Speaker 1: I have you checked the level on your on your
Speaker 1: because sometimes when you have trouble with your ice maker,
Speaker 1: it's because you're not level. Oh maybe it's old. It
Speaker 1: was with the house when we bought it, so oh,
Speaker 1: we got to get rid of this thing. But okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Why crushed ice, It's so good, right, crushed ice awesome?
Speaker 1: Oh, crushed ice is the way to go.
Speaker 4: Really, I'm not a going to ask. I'm not a
Speaker 4: big ice guy.
Speaker 1: You love Germany? Then in general, can I give you
Speaker 1: some lukewarm water?
Speaker 4: Because I like put my drinks in their fridge so
Speaker 4: that they're cold, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to say, like the high Nuns with
Speaker 1: the ice in them. I'm kind of a little bit
Speaker 1: with Evan in that if I don't need ice, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to have it because it dilutes the drink.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I think that's better.
Speaker 4: Like I like a guy, like a like a watered
Speaker 4: down a little bit of water, a little less sugary
Speaker 4: little if I do have so fast?
Speaker 1: What's that crushed ice dilute so fast?
Speaker 2: It does?
Speaker 1: So what are we talking about?
Speaker 4: The Other thing is it's great if I.
Speaker 1: Have a soda or whatever with ice in it. I
Speaker 1: never ever drink through a straw.
Speaker 4: Really about your teeth?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't like drinking, and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. Because when you drink through the straw, you're
Speaker 1: drinking through the bottom. If you drink through the top,
Speaker 1: you're filtering it through the ice, so it's colder and
Speaker 1: it forces you to drink slower. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think frosty mugs are too. Yeah, frosty could be why
Speaker 1: why are okay? Because you're not gonna get.
Speaker 4: The is a good one.
Speaker 1: Frosted mugs are good for.
Speaker 3: Fred and I ever tell you, See, these jokes are
Speaker 3: as funny as they used to be. Fred, But Fred,
Speaker 3: Fred and I ever tell you about one of the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl parties in Indianapolis. We were at the Indy
Speaker 3: five hundred oh nice at the track, it's a race track.
Speaker 3: They had ice, beer, mugs. They were actually made out
Speaker 3: of ice. They gave they gave everybody a glove, so
Speaker 3: you had you had the glove on the on the
Speaker 3: ice mug.
Speaker 2: That now that's a cold beer. How much cold much?
Speaker 2: That's a cold beer? Telling you that's a cold beer.
Speaker 2: Sometimes your lip would get stuck.
Speaker 4: This is too like, this is too many accidents waiting.
Speaker 1: It's like a Christmas story. And did you come to
Speaker 1: the did you kiss the.
Speaker 2: Yeah the bricks story?
Speaker 4: Yea, drink the milk.
Speaker 2: The great David Silverman took a picture of me doing that.
Speaker 2: Got the got the bald spot.
Speaker 3: You didn't drink the milk, which is more than a
Speaker 3: spot at the time, it was just a spot milk
Speaker 3: didn't have milk.
Speaker 2: No, we did not drink milk. Come on, I didn't
Speaker 2: win anything.
Speaker 1: Only the winners drink milk.
Speaker 4: You know you want it life.
Speaker 2: The track was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It is. We went there year after the comment. We
Speaker 1: didn't do the tour or anything. We just kind of
Speaker 1: stopped there on the way to the airport and then we're.
Speaker 4: Like, okay.
Speaker 3: The only drawback was the welcome party was there and
Speaker 3: party was there, so I get two different parties.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 4: And you know the tower.
Speaker 1: They set up a ciga BA on the tower up
Speaker 1: in the Indie.
Speaker 3: That's where Fred went with the Monkey MUCKs, the Cubans,
Speaker 3: all the other vps.
Speaker 4: That was I ran into.
Speaker 5: When we were at our welcome party at the Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: I ran into a friend of mine from high school
Speaker 5: who apparently is very rich. But he was there as
Speaker 5: you know, part of one of the season ticket holders,
Speaker 5: and he's walking around with this little box and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, do you like a cigar?
Speaker 5: And like he's like that, I guess, so you're that
Speaker 5: rich you walk around a party with just your own
Speaker 5: and you just give cubans.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: He didn't say what.
Speaker 4: I was like, I got to do radio tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I can smoke a scar right now, because I thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, you have.
Speaker 4: To do radio tomorrow. The radio were radio, We're getting
Speaker 4: ready tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But when we were this was at the super Bowl
Speaker 1: welcome party.
Speaker 4: I understand, but you thought you were going to recover
Speaker 4: the next day. Well, you've heard me lose my voice
Speaker 4: before is last week. I don't know if I was sick.
Speaker 4: I just lost my voice.
Speaker 1: I was trying to hear, Okay, you have to drink
Speaker 1: the tea like Bob so yes, so.
Speaker 2: It's cam Newton.
Speaker 4: Town Patriot.
Speaker 2: Scott love you, Bob, We do love Iconic.
Speaker 1: Scott has a little bit of a different opinion about Gonzales.
Speaker 1: He says, until Gonzo proves he can stay healthy and
Speaker 1: play an entire season, he doesn't deserve a new contract
Speaker 1: or an extension.
Speaker 4: Oh, he's played the majority of two seasons, right am?
Speaker 4: I misremembering this? Last year?
Speaker 3: Last year he missed the first three games. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: like that's not like he you know, what did he
Speaker 3: missed the year before?
Speaker 5: Not then Many sixteen, he played within one game this game,
Speaker 5: and he probably would have played if it wasn't a
Speaker 5: meaningless game.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first year, he missed most of the season.
Speaker 4: Yes, Week four he went out the shoulder. But then
Speaker 4: he played the whole next season at a pro bowl level.
Speaker 2: That's what. That's a durability. Absolutely that counts that. The
Speaker 2: guy's gotta you know, take I. I would kind of
Speaker 2: put last year in the not sure how much of
Speaker 2: an injury that was, but you know.
Speaker 4: He was also like, you know, he missed three games
Speaker 4: in September, like he was out. He was there for
Speaker 4: every meaningful game.
Speaker 2: Of the season of them, and I'm going to go,
Speaker 2: you know, back to the literal, like we just look
Speaker 2: at the school board. We don't analyze anything.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, yeah, he missed three games when
Speaker 3: they went one and two, couldn't do the math good,
Speaker 3: you know, so he's pretty valuable.
Speaker 1: Good, pretty pretty valuable. Trent and silver Lake, thanks again
Speaker 1: for the excellent coverage. Deuce. You might have been tracking
Speaker 1: the wrong article of clothing. This is did you see
Speaker 1: this article that came out about, uh, how pants coaches
Speaker 1: pants affect.
Speaker 4: I felt like he took pants.
Speaker 1: No, But basically, in a nutshell, if the coach comes
Speaker 1: out with rain pants early in the game, rain pants,
Speaker 1: rain pants, you know, or win pants, you know that
Speaker 1: the weather is going to be a factor in the game.
Speaker 2: Okay, yea, yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, he says, any analysis
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: Ryan Paganetti tweeted it out. Over fifteen seasons, Ryan found
Speaker 1: sixty four games where at least one coach wore rain pants.
Speaker 1: The game finished under the over under in forty eight
Speaker 1: of the games. That's seventy five percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Teams averaged fifty fewer passing yards in those rain games.
Speaker 1: It's pretty simple watch the pregame sideline if you see
Speaker 1: rain pants take me under for the passing game and
Speaker 1: overall scoring this.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Saw the tweet.
Speaker 5: I started getting ice cream headache and I that's in
Speaker 5: depth analysis right there.
Speaker 4: So Ryan Pagnetti just started a Twitter account. He's somebody
Speaker 4: that worked in NFL analytics departments, specifically for the Eagles
Speaker 4: I believe for under Doug Peterson for a long time,
Speaker 4: who were kind of at the forefront of the analytics movement.
Speaker 4: I would say in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Evan just answered a lot of questions for me because
Speaker 3: this guy's starting to show up in my timeline, and
Speaker 3: that was my questions, why is this guy in my timeline?
Speaker 4: I actually think, though Paul, that he would be I
Speaker 4: know you don't like guests, but I actually think that
Speaker 4: he'd be a good guess because he did a lot
Speaker 4: of like game situation stuff.
Speaker 3: Yep, you know something very in depth that I would
Speaker 3: love to And I'm dead serious, I wouldn't mind because
Speaker 3: I think it's very easy.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not easy.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of work to compile the in depth stuff.
Speaker 3: He had one that I saw in confirm. He had
Speaker 3: one that I saw that was extremely deep dive into
Speaker 3: the Brady Belichick Patriots in their propensity to run the
Speaker 3: football in the last two minutes.
Speaker 2: Of the first half.
Speaker 3: Yes, that was interested they ran and I don't have
Speaker 3: the numbers off the top of my head, but it
Speaker 3: was something like they run the ball fifty eight percent
Speaker 3: of the time in the last two minutes of the
Speaker 3: first half. The rest of the league was like twenty
Speaker 3: eight percent. Like it was an enormous gap between the two.
Speaker 3: And obviously, you know, what's the outlier of the Patriots
Speaker 3: win at a higher you know, Belichick, Brady, Can I
Speaker 3: get a little context to that, Like, I'm sorry, Like
Speaker 3: in David Andrews, this is probably why I showed up
Speaker 3: because I followed David Andrews said, you know, always end
Speaker 3: the half with the ball like that was, you know,
Speaker 3: obviously one of Bill's mantras, you know, like, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: Do you think the Patriots had the luxury of running
Speaker 3: the ball at the end of the first half more
Speaker 3: so than most other teams that played in the NFL
Speaker 3: during the Belichick Brady hey day exactly because they were
Speaker 3: in complete control of the game already.
Speaker 4: Okay, but but I really liked what Andrews followed up with,
Speaker 4: which was they really didn't go into like hurry up
Speaker 4: to minute till about a minute and twenty seconds, so
Speaker 4: they didn't. They made sure they ended the half with
Speaker 4: the ball right, no doubt, so that they because they
Speaker 4: wanted to milk clock before they really went into into
Speaker 4: tempo to move the football quickly. So there was that,
Speaker 4: and then he also Ryan was talking a lot about
Speaker 4: the middle eight and the double score and you know,
Speaker 4: winning the middle eight and things like that. This one
Speaker 4: a lot of credit, which I think, you know, is
Speaker 4: a discussion we've had many times, but it was really cool.
Speaker 4: But what I aways really wanted to I think what
Speaker 4: would be cool about him is that he would go
Speaker 4: into like why they go for two down nine and
Speaker 4: things like that that you can't stand, you know, and like,
Speaker 4: you know, like yeah, because I think it's you know,
Speaker 4: what's good about what Ryan's trying to do is I
Speaker 4: think that the broadcast around the NFL, I don't think
Speaker 4: do a great job of explaining how teams actually are
Speaker 4: using analytics to drive decision making. And I think that
Speaker 4: he is trying to have a smarter take on what
Speaker 4: exactly is going into fourth down decisions and and a game.
Speaker 4: You know, handling of ends of games and ends of
Speaker 4: halfs and things like that, you know, we all find fascinating.
Speaker 1: So I found one that so does every explanation end
Speaker 1: with and then you know what you need.
Speaker 4: Well, that's one that I think we could have a
Speaker 4: conversation about.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't in in all seriousness, I wouldn't mind having
Speaker 3: a guy like that on the show, because I do
Speaker 3: think those kinds of things are interesting, you know, game situations.
Speaker 3: There was one that he actually he really took Rabel
Speaker 3: and Company to task on last year about the end
Speaker 3: of the first half of the Tampa game. We all
Speaker 3: remember they ended up intentionally not scoring on first down
Speaker 3: and then ended up with an incredibly high level of
Speaker 3: difficulty fourth down conversion, unbelievable throw by Drake May, unbelievable
Speaker 3: catch by Stefan Diggs to walk off a touchdown at
Speaker 3: the end of the half, and he kind of mapped
Speaker 3: out why the approach was extremely risky.
Speaker 4: I thought you were talking about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: He's also talked about the two point conversion mess up,
Speaker 3: which I was on that livet I bought my wife,
Speaker 3: I bought I brought my wife to tears at out
Speaker 3: one life.
Speaker 2: But the running the ball at the end of the half.
Speaker 3: Another thing the Patriots did, Fred, You'll remember this constantly,
Speaker 3: is they would get the ball in those situations and
Speaker 3: they would spread out like four and five, you know,
Speaker 3: four wide, and run a draw, not necessarily to kill clock.
Speaker 3: But they're looking to get like twelve yards. They're not
Speaker 3: looking for three yards and a cloud of dust. They're
Speaker 3: looking to gash you. They're looking to catch you in
Speaker 3: light personnel with six guys in the box, and they're
Speaker 3: gonna run it at you, and they're gonna get a
Speaker 3: cheap first down to kick start the two minute drill. Again,
Speaker 3: it counts as a run, but it wasn't necessarily a
Speaker 3: kill wig killing clock. That's why, yes, I can put
Speaker 3: all these things here in a column, Like do you
Speaker 3: think if the Cleveland Browns decided in the last two
Speaker 3: minutes of every game during that time to just run
Speaker 3: the ball, they would have won the same amount of
Speaker 3: times as the Patriots did, because when they got the
Speaker 3: ball in the last two minutes of the first half,
Speaker 3: they were down twenty one to three, I'm dead serious,
Speaker 3: were in control so many What was the record when
Speaker 3: winning at halftime under Brady.
Speaker 5: Was they were like they were losing going into the
Speaker 5: fourth quarter. They had a winning record, but like going
Speaker 5: into half time, you.
Speaker 4: Win the game.
Speaker 5: The funniest thing about this to me, though, is that
Speaker 5: I saw this tweet and I'm bummed that I didn't
Speaker 5: bring it up because exactly what you've just been saying
Speaker 5: is exactly what Like the little Paul.
Speaker 1: On my shoulder was going like, oh, do you think
Speaker 1: that might have been?
Speaker 4: Because I had Tom Brady just just.
Speaker 3: But just to be clear, You're right this guy and
Speaker 3: I didn't know him, and I'm glad Evan had a
Speaker 3: background with the guy and knew who he was. Incredible,
Speaker 3: like incredibly detailed, in depth stats pack. I read like
Speaker 3: three different things that he did. I'm sure I missed
Speaker 3: a million others, but I'm not dismissing the tweets.
Speaker 4: It's right up Paul's alley.
Speaker 2: It is right. It's something I'm very interested in.
Speaker 4: I just think that the whether we like it or not,
Speaker 4: or people like it or not, these equations are driving
Speaker 4: decision making in the NFL, just like it's their driving
Speaker 4: decision making in the NBA. In the NFL and the MLB,
Speaker 4: all the other sports, And so if teams are going
Speaker 4: to follow these things and this is how teams are
Speaker 4: going to make decisions, then I'm glad that people like
Speaker 4: Ryan are going to try to explain why they're making
Speaker 4: those decisions, because I don't think the I think the
Speaker 4: broadcasts are completely lost as to like why they're doing
Speaker 4: these things, and they just go, oh, that's what the
Speaker 4: analytics say, you know, and it's just that he's.
Speaker 2: Right about that. That's the crutch. So the analytics say
Speaker 2: to go for.
Speaker 4: It, right, So well, why whether or not you like it,
Speaker 4: if the nerds are the ones that are driving the decisions,
Speaker 4: and at least we should be educated on why they're
Speaker 4: making those decisions. I give it.
Speaker 3: One last thing that I'll tell you the Patriots had
Speaker 3: to have led the history of football in is that
Speaker 3: you run on the play before the two minute warning.
Speaker 3: Like that was a Charlie Weiss staple, like we're going
Speaker 3: to run the ball with two oh six in a
Speaker 3: running clock. We're going to run the ball hit there, yeah,
Speaker 3: because clocks going to stop anyway, and we're going to
Speaker 3: see if we can get a cheap ten yards When
Speaker 3: they're playing pass.
Speaker 1: Off topic Bobby from Squanting them writes. In just a
Speaker 1: quick correction to Tuesday show, Matt said that Misery was
Speaker 1: the name of Kathy Bates' character. That isn't correct. In
Speaker 1: the movie, James Kahn plays an author who was famous
Speaker 1: for a series of books featuring a main.
Speaker 4: Character named Misery.
Speaker 2: That's what said.
Speaker 4: Kathy Bates' character, whose name.
Speaker 1: Is Ann Wills, was the character of the book, right.
Speaker 1: I thought he said it was the name of any.
Speaker 3: I don't think he I mean, maybe he did, but
Speaker 3: I thought he said it was the name of it
Speaker 3: because I said, I said, I think the main character
Speaker 3: in the book was Misery, like that was the book.
Speaker 3: Her name was Misery, And that's what I thought, Matt
Speaker 3: said when he looked it up, he didn't.
Speaker 4: I thought he was referring to Kathy Bates.
Speaker 2: You are correct, Yes, that's what I thought, Matt said.
Speaker 1: Okay, David new Hampshire wants to know about Paul's crush.
Speaker 1: How's Marcus Jones doing in camp? We haven't heard much
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 2: Not great, no pick today.
Speaker 3: He did have a and it was a really good
Speaker 3: pick too, But I think tomorrow Douglas has controlled him
Speaker 3: in this camp most most times that they've targeted Douglas
Speaker 3: on Jones, Douglas is won.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always give like that a little bit of
Speaker 4: of a past just because of how hard it is
Speaker 4: to cover tough job slot receivers and practices where you're
Speaker 4: not trying to hurt not that everybody, anybody's ever trying
Speaker 4: to hurt anybody, but you know what I mean, not
Speaker 4: trying to be physical with the as physical player. So
Speaker 4: like when the little slot receivers running over the middle
Speaker 4: of the field and there's no threat that anybody's going
Speaker 4: to hit them, it's a lot different than in the
Speaker 4: game than when you know you have the same situation.
Speaker 1: And I would agree.
Speaker 2: I wanted to show you how Faia I can be Mike.
Speaker 3: A lot of tomorrow Douglas catches have been shallow crosses
Speaker 3: like what I sort of was critical of and chisholm on. Now,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that he hasn't been winning the one
Speaker 3: on one battles, because I think he has. But in fairness,
Speaker 3: he's not like torching him downfield for.
Speaker 2: These huge plays. He's beating him on crossers and evans.
Speaker 3: Right, when you don't have that fear of getting your
Speaker 3: clock cleaned, it's a little easier to complete those.
Speaker 1: I love Marcus Jones.
Speaker 5: I still it's just striking to me his size out
Speaker 5: there and the role that they have him playing in
Speaker 5: the inside, and I mean, he was great last year tackling,
Speaker 5: and I just hope that he can continue to hold
Speaker 5: up because really, I think you ideally like somebody a
Speaker 5: little bit bigger to play as much as you know
Speaker 5: he's going to play.
Speaker 4: I think they like they kind of talked about that
Speaker 4: a little bit when Rabel first got hired, and I
Speaker 4: think he's just such a good player that they just
Speaker 4: kind of were like, Nope, we're going to make this
Speaker 4: work because that's the player we have, and he's really
Speaker 4: really good. Because I think when they first hired Vrabel,
Speaker 4: there was a lot of talk about is Marcus Jones
Speaker 4: really a fit because of his size, and then he
Speaker 4: just played so well that it kind of.
Speaker 2: Because he is Rabel's style.
Speaker 3: He might not be the prototype in terms of size,
Speaker 3: but the way he plays the run, in his physical
Speaker 3: at the point of attack.
Speaker 5: Like good football player, freaking hit Madison Peers, I'd say
Speaker 5: pretty good.
Speaker 1: Gumby is from Germany on the line. What's up, Gumby,
Speaker 1: how's it going good?
Speaker 6: First time I've ever listened live and been able to call,
Speaker 6: so I appreciate y'all if I can. I wanted to
Speaker 6: ask a questions about Campbell and Wilson going back to
Speaker 6: the Super Bowl, but I want to give you too
Speaker 6: quick hits out first, first to shout out to ianpats
Speaker 6: fans dot com best message board on the planet.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 6: And then Fred, your understanding of thermodynamics is a little bit.
Speaker 1: Off my understanding of thermo dynamics. I don't understand thermo dynamics, so.
Speaker 2: I think you might have been talking about your straw theory.
Speaker 2: Oh straw so not to be confused with string theory,
Speaker 2: so you don't.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well it works, it works for me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Well, I think with the small volume size of a cup,
Speaker 6: it really doesn't matter much. But technically it's colder at
Speaker 6: the bottom.
Speaker 1: Well I know that cold, you know, heat rises, cold
Speaker 1: goes down. But when the top of the glass is
Speaker 1: full of ice, I think thermo dynamics kind of doesn't
Speaker 1: come into play there.
Speaker 3: I will say that drinking out of the straw makes
Speaker 3: you drink faster. Yeah, that I would agree with you on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why I don't drink out of the straw.
Speaker 6: Okay, So my real question was, We've had a lot
Speaker 6: of talk and a lot of postings on boards about
Speaker 6: Campbell and Wilson's being hurt back in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 6: but nobody ever talks about the thing that I think
Speaker 6: is fifty percent of the problem back then was the
Speaker 6: rookie wall. Seventeen games plus all the the playoff games.
Speaker 6: I think they were just wore out. And so your
Speaker 6: thoughts on that, and then thoughts on who's the we
Speaker 6: need to pay attention to visit akis in this season?
Speaker 6: What rookies this year do we need to watch out
Speaker 6: for the rookie wall?
Speaker 4: For the rookie wall? Many of them this year enough,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it was a huge deal for
Speaker 3: those two linemen because they missed games. They you know,
Speaker 3: Campbell missed four games heading into the playoffs, so he
Speaker 3: should have been a little bit fresher. I think physically,
Speaker 3: I think the knee was a problem for him, but
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think he was tired.
Speaker 2: And Wilson I think, I think, right, but he was
Speaker 2: healthy going to the playoffs, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, Wilson was healthy. I think with Wilson, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think Wilson was an injury issue in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Now Wilson, I think it was more maybe playing out
Speaker 4: a position, and they're hoping that him playing center is
Speaker 4: is gonna make him a better player. I've been really
Speaker 4: excited about what I've seen out of Campbell, but you know,
Speaker 4: I put the caveat of the edge rushers he's facing
Speaker 4: in practice. I think he's going to face better competition
Speaker 4: on other teams. But I've been really excited about I
Speaker 4: feel like he has more variety in his past set,
Speaker 4: so he's not as predictable. And so something I was
Speaker 4: talking to Brandon Swinson was talking after practice, and I
Speaker 4: asked him about Caleb Blomo, and he said, you know,
Speaker 4: in college, like you kind of see a lot of
Speaker 4: the same things, like guys don't have like deep toolboxes
Speaker 4: in like different things. And then you get to the
Speaker 4: pros and like every pass rusher has like three or
Speaker 4: four really good moves instead of like one or two
Speaker 4: really good moves. And I think with Campbell, I've seen
Speaker 4: him be more aggressive. I've seen him close down space
Speaker 4: between him and rushers. I've seen him get his hands
Speaker 4: on guys faster, and then also still vertical set, but
Speaker 4: at least have other change ups within his arsenal. So
Speaker 4: I think he's definitely was working this offseason. I hope
Speaker 4: whatever held him out of practice today is And.
Speaker 1: What's the super weare that he was at Lane Johnson's
Speaker 1: place and the world's Strongest man was there and you know,
Speaker 1: kind of insinuating maybe he did some special work to
Speaker 1: gain some strength.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he said with the world's strongest man thing
Speaker 4: that they just were out like it wasn't anything like
Speaker 4: he he kind of downplayed that, but he was with
Speaker 4: Lane Johnson, Tristan Wharfs and Dion Dawkins, uh and you know,
Speaker 4: probably three of the best five tackles in the sport,
Speaker 4: and they they were just talking, talking ball and training
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And hopefully that how that came about.
Speaker 4: I think that Lane Johnson reached out to him.
Speaker 1: Oh so this is another thing that you like, Lane Johnson.
Speaker 1: Now we're having fun.
Speaker 4: So this is another thing that I would say that's
Speaker 4: like probably just a me thing because it's the offensive line.
Speaker 4: But so many of the people in the offensive line
Speaker 4: community have said, like, can't like give him him to me?
Speaker 4: You know, like so many guys think that they like
Speaker 4: feel like there's ways to get him better than what
Speaker 4: he played in the playoffs beyond just the injury. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, whether it was Lane Johnson or Tron Armstead
Speaker 4: or whoever. Like the old line community kind of said,
Speaker 4: like rallied around him after that playoff performance and was like, no,
Speaker 4: like he's got things that he can work on that
Speaker 4: if he gets better at with his technique, that he's
Speaker 4: going to be just fine. And that gave me a
Speaker 4: lot of like confidence that I think, you know, maybe
Speaker 4: this can be rectified from what he was in the Playoffsky.
Speaker 3: All right, And I don't know if we we mentioned
Speaker 3: I know we did in our podcast to wrap up
Speaker 3: today's camp practice, but on this show if we talked
Speaker 3: about with Evan just sort of mentioned there that Will
Speaker 3: Campbell didn't take part in any of the teamwork today.
Speaker 3: He had a brace on his left elbow, did a
Speaker 3: lot of running conditioning on the side on the left field,
Speaker 3: while all the sort of work with the eleven on
Speaker 3: eleven's was going on the right side, and Marcus Bryant
Speaker 3: played left tackle.
Speaker 5: Lomu stayed at right tackle with the twos, which which
Speaker 5: I found surprising. Has been scanning Twitter a little bit
Speaker 5: and a lot of people are like, kind.
Speaker 2: Of a lot of people have raised eyebrow.
Speaker 4: We have already started. I had noticed that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I knew that that might be something.
Speaker 3: And then that's why I think it was the right
Speaker 3: move by the coaches to do what they did, because
Speaker 3: I think if they had put.
Speaker 2: Lomu at left tackle, it'd be even bigger.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Wally Pip, Well, I mean, like, I just I
Speaker 5: think my point of view is just that they don't
Speaker 5: want to overwhelm him right now, and the high level
Speaker 5: reps are going on the right side, and you want
Speaker 5: to get Lomu ready because he's going to have to
Speaker 5: probably play some right tackle and some jumbo tight end.
Speaker 5: And if we start giving him high level reps with
Speaker 5: the ones too, now you're overloading this kid's plate. Who Like,
Speaker 5: let's be honest, he's got a lot of work to do.
Speaker 5: Like he's you know, he's he's a work in progress.
Speaker 5: He's young, he's a little bit of a ball of clay.
Speaker 5: So I you know, it's just one of those things
Speaker 5: where like all of a sudden, you're like, oh, people
Speaker 5: are mad about this, Like I don't really I don't.
Speaker 4: Know if they're mad about it, but I think it
Speaker 4: is interesting that Marcus Bryant got the reps over him.
Speaker 4: There was no Campbell. I mean, you think the first
Speaker 4: round pick guy you just drafted twenty eighth overall to
Speaker 4: play tackle.
Speaker 1: But I think you guys are on it.
Speaker 4: Disrupt the learning curve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has to learn the right side right, not
Speaker 2: the left side, and he's.
Speaker 1: Still getting some low level left tackle reps right right,
Speaker 1: But keep sharp.
Speaker 4: No, I think you're right. I just I understand why
Speaker 4: people reacted that way. I would also hope that they
Speaker 4: could parse like I think Campbell has been really really
Speaker 4: good all summer and like to think that just one
Speaker 4: practice because Campbell was hurt. You know me, I don't
Speaker 4: watch like I think. I would like to think that
Speaker 4: the scribes would be able to be like, this isn't
Speaker 4: like a competition all of a sudden because Campbell is
Speaker 4: banged up, Because there's no doubt that Campbell has been
Speaker 4: better than Lomu in this in this can so I
Speaker 4: don't think. Yeah, I don't know how you would get
Speaker 4: to that. I think that's that's a big leap.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I caught one rep I think against Akis with
Speaker 5: Lomu today. V I don't know if you were locked
Speaker 5: on them, but it looked Lomo was all over the place.
Speaker 3: I thought Lomu controlled him on back to back place
Speaker 3: today and I was like, oh, okay, I see it.
Speaker 3: I see the first round, like why do you put
Speaker 3: him on the ground, And the.
Speaker 5: Next play he just locked him on team period. Yeah,
Speaker 5: both in both in team he got him with toos
Speaker 5: with the twos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Acus got him with the ghosts the speed rush
Speaker 4: on early on in practice and then as really got
Speaker 4: Demetrius crown over on the pick that DeVito through at
Speaker 4: in the two minute at the end, he was right
Speaker 4: in his face. But I think him and love MoU
Speaker 4: have had some pretty good back and forth as you
Speaker 4: would expect.
Speaker 1: You know, Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up Eldred? Right? Hey?
Speaker 1: Back on the road.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, back into them in my element again. Hey,
Speaker 8: I got a question. I listened to Tuesday show and
Speaker 8: everybody was like down on Kyle William and I just
Speaker 8: got one question. Okay, and Evan, don't get too mad
Speaker 8: at me. Mad when after your boy? Going after your
Speaker 8: boy could have problem beat Drake mate like not judging
Speaker 8: to speak because he ain't that much to work with him,
Speaker 8: but with coming DeVito and with anybody else getting him,
Speaker 8: and he's burning people. You know, Could it be Drake?
Speaker 8: You just ain't comfortable with him yet, like he like
Speaker 8: he ain't with Dobbs.
Speaker 4: Maybe. I mean, I've seen them both uh deep passes.
Speaker 4: I think I'm just trying to give Kyle Williams some
Speaker 4: grace because I know he's, you know, a guy that
Speaker 4: we're all hoping is gonna emerge at some point. I
Speaker 4: think all I think both quarterbacks have have underthrown him
Speaker 4: at times. I don't think it was just isolated to Drake.
Speaker 8: Well okay, but mostly most of the camp I've been
Speaker 8: here and they saying, you know, he's scheduled dubdo you know?
Speaker 8: And then that one that Pettis stepped in front of
Speaker 8: like three yards short, and he was in front him
Speaker 8: by three yards even though Gunnard whatever his name is,
Speaker 8: he mentioned that too. So I'm like, well, maybe just
Speaker 8: under inestimating speed or whatever. You just ain't used to
Speaker 8: him yet. But I'm pretty sure they get on the
Speaker 8: same pace.
Speaker 14: Soon or later.
Speaker 8: And I'm still saying fourteen and three, okay, Gonna.
Speaker 10: Stick with that.
Speaker 1: Fourteen three says Aldred, all right, all right, thanks for
Speaker 1: the call. Uh. Speaking of predictions, James Petti Grew, the
Speaker 1: most interesting Patriots fan of the world, says, I'm personally
Speaker 1: very high on Dobbs the reason no one else is,
Speaker 1: and I want to appear as a ball nowhere to
Speaker 1: lead the Patriots and touch shows this season book it
Speaker 1: Mark tape. Yeah, I mean, I think he's just being starcastic.
Speaker 5: I mean I get I get what the guys are
Speaker 5: talking about. I also think that like the place I
Speaker 5: feel okay about him is like in the red zones.
Speaker 5: I think he's got hands and there's not really a
Speaker 5: lot of space where he's got to get away from people,
Speaker 5: Like you know, I think those are some of the
Speaker 5: plays that have stood out to me, or just him
Speaker 5: making grabs in the end zone. But I agree with
Speaker 5: the middle of the field take with the guys that
Speaker 5: you know, it's just he's just not a smooth, easy athlete.
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean he can't be good. But sometimes
Speaker 5: you get these guys and I feel like you're like,
Speaker 5: we're gonna have to wait to see games with this guy,
Speaker 5: and that's kind of where we're headed with him.
Speaker 1: But I think him a four year deal.
Speaker 5: You know, I would think that there's gonna be a
Speaker 5: little bit of a you know, a landing, you know,
Speaker 5: pad for him to get things together.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's you know, it might take some time.
Speaker 4: I think he's just different. He just moves different than Diggs,
Speaker 4: significantly different. Yeah, and so like he's more I think
Speaker 4: Dobbs is more of like a traditional route runner where
Speaker 4: it's like more linear and and digs. It was just
Speaker 4: like very unique in the way that he ran routes.
Speaker 4: It kind of reminded me of Edelman a lot, like
Speaker 4: those two guys, just like the way they stem guys,
Speaker 4: the way that they set up defensive backs, the way
Speaker 4: they kind of just like color outside the lines but
Speaker 4: inside the lines. Like it's just a different type of
Speaker 4: route running. And Dobbs I think is more of like
Speaker 4: a typical traditional receiver, so it maybe is less like
Speaker 4: about him and more you know, I think the role
Speaker 4: is going to be a little bit different than what
Speaker 4: you envision with Diggs because of that, Like if you're
Speaker 4: gonna put him inside the formation and kind of just
Speaker 4: expect him to survey and just kind of get open
Speaker 4: in the middle of the field on his own, I
Speaker 4: don't know if he's really that kind of kind of player.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll end the show with a question. Brendon
Speaker 1: wants to know how close Landry is to coming back.
Speaker 1: Badard said he was visibly favoring his left leg today.
Speaker 4: He was watching and Rabel did mention that as guys
Speaker 4: get closer, he has them watch practice. So Accus started
Speaker 4: watching practice and then all of a sudden was back.
Speaker 4: So maybe a good sign that he's at least up
Speaker 4: there watching.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen him a little bit on the
Speaker 5: lower hill, and he doesn't I haven't noticed a noticeable limp.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big limp person, Like, I'm not good
Speaker 4: at that. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: Teach a wise thing, right, like they all kind of
Speaker 1: walk weird sometimes.
Speaker 4: I don't want to like be the guy that's trying
Speaker 4: to judge people's gates and limps and stuff, because I
Speaker 4: don't know. I'm not a doctor, like.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just I don't think they be. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you're still limping, I don't know if
Speaker 5: you should be on the field working out.
Speaker 1: But okay, was he working out?
Speaker 5: I mean they just, you know, the lower field guys
Speaker 5: go through drills and you know it's I mean, nothing extensive,
Speaker 5: but more.
Speaker 4: I'm more like, what's going on with Carlon Davis, Like
Speaker 4: tomorrow morning we talked to Rabel. I'm more hopefully one
Speaker 4: of the Jay's like kind of is like goose is
Speaker 4: them a little bit? Is this going to be all right?
Speaker 1: Full week here?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Seven that's seven practices that he's missed.
Speaker 1: It's like Gonzalez last year. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: Pats came on and cornerback went out. All right, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. They
Speaker 1: have a Blue White scrimmage tomorrow right, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's gonna be full pads or not, but
Speaker 1: we'll have in from on that on Patriots dot com
Speaker 1: at Patriots Social uh. And then next week reminder the
Speaker 1: cults are in town. We'll have the joint practice on Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We'll be live for that. What time does that start?
Speaker 4: Do we know? I think it's.
Speaker 2: I believe so we want to start at ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll start at ten on Tuesday. And then first
Speaker 1: preseason game. Paul's in the Bob's Discount Furniture Studio. So
Speaker 1: that's Thursday night.
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