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Speaker 1: All right, and hello once again. How are you doing everybody?

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Speaker 1: I am Russ Salzburg along with my buddy here today,

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Speaker 1: Lance Meadow. Welcome once again to Big Blue Kickoff here

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Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com. The number, as always the call

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Speaker 1: is two oh one nine three nine four five one three.

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Speaker 1: That is two oh one nine three nine four five

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Speaker 1: one three. Uh, speaking of one three, that is the

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Speaker 1: Giants record right now, one and three. And you know, Lance, Uh,

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Speaker 1: what can I say? Uh? That probably hasn't been said

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Speaker 1: over the last forty eight hours. You know, when everybody

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Speaker 1: was talking last week it's gonna be gunfight at the

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Speaker 1: Okay Corral and shootout and all this business. And you know,

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Speaker 1: my feeling was the best way to keep the NFL's

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Speaker 1: all time to defend against the NFL's all time completions

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Speaker 1: leader is to keep him off the field, and to

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Speaker 1: do that with a sustain you know, not a sustain,

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Speaker 1: but sustained lives. So they started the game with an

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Speaker 1: excellent drive and that's exactly what they needed to do,

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Speaker 1: you know, precision, precise, and you know, then you hold

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Speaker 1: them for red zone possessions. Kudos to the defense, but

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Speaker 1: it just wasn't working. It just wasn't working. And then

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game. At the end of

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Speaker 1: the game, I'm saying, I'm sitting with Jeff Fiagels, We're

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Speaker 1: sitting in the press box and I'm watching the game

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Speaker 1: and Eli they score, and then um Eli throws a

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Speaker 1: two point conversion and I look at figs that go,

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Speaker 1: are they gonna steal this game? There was three three left,

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Speaker 1: the kickoff again again, fumbles the kickoff, muffset, they get

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Speaker 1: the ball, uh sat still first and goal first and

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Speaker 1: ten on their own three yard line. This was like

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Speaker 1: a perfect scenario deef what happens at completion which looked

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Speaker 1: like a tripping on that play. But having said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and and to Sherman's granted he wasn't making

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Speaker 1: any excuses about the officials. But it's just they gotta

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Speaker 1: good As as Pat Shermis said, they gotta make more plays.

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Speaker 1: They gotta make more plays. It's on everybody. They gotta

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Speaker 1: get better. Yeah, I mean, part of making more plays

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Speaker 1: is also synonymous with putting more points on the board.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what's absolutely killing them. Russ over the

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Speaker 1: first four games. You're not winning consistently in this league.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's the Giants, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's anybody else in the NFC East or anybody

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Speaker 1: else in the a f C. You can't win football

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Speaker 1: games in this league when you average under twenty points

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Speaker 1: a game, and they have gone three of the four

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Speaker 1: games where they have had less than twenty points. Coincidentally,

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Speaker 1: the one time they actually won a game was when

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Speaker 1: they had just over twenty points, where they had twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: So you know, that's the biggest issue to your point,

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Speaker 1: Long sustainable drives are great. They do keep the opposition

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Speaker 1: off the field. But what's better than long sustainable drives

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Speaker 1: is long sustainable drives that are capped off by touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Because when you play the Saints for us, hey, it's

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Speaker 1: great if you milk the clock, that's wonderful. If you

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Speaker 1: walk away with field goals. No, I couldn't doing anything.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I forgive me from

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Speaker 1: leaving out that point. Yes, it's as long as and scoring.

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Speaker 1: And you know, again to the Giants, credit on the defense.

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Speaker 1: Four times four times you have the Saints in the

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Speaker 1: red zone four times in the first half, four times

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Speaker 1: they come away with three points. Defense is doing something

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Speaker 1: pretty good. It's just is it frustrating? Yes, I think

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm hearing all kinds of stuff, which is

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Speaker 1: kind of annoying. It's like, listen at one in three, folks,

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Speaker 1: lance one in three. It's hard to defend that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know you're you're certainly up for criticism at one

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Speaker 1: sometimes you just get outplayed. You know, you played a

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Speaker 1: great game, you just get outplayed. In the three games

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Speaker 1: that the Giants lost, they didn't play great games, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you know some of them weren't even good games,

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Speaker 1: so they need to improve on that. But it's I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what some some of the and I let

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Speaker 1: me correct myself. I'm not even gonna say the fans

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Speaker 1: some of the media you want to talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: like a toilet seat in a co ed dormitory. It

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Speaker 1: keeps going up and down, up and down. It's ridiculous. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It's gotten to the point. Last year

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Speaker 1: the world. Now, as far as I'm concerned a lot

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Speaker 1: to this season. Everything is hunky dorry, Everything's fine. After

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Speaker 1: Then they go to Houston, Eli is nine to to touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: they win the game. That's the way it's gotta be.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's back on a bandwagon. And then today, yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: since the game, it's the same old business. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's they're all they're all not getting a job done.

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Speaker 1: That that's all I'm saying. As Eli says, can he

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Speaker 1: play better? You bet you so can everybody else? Well,

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Speaker 1: the narratives are always gonna fluctuate game to game rush

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Speaker 1: simply because everybody's looking for a scapegoat at this point.

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Speaker 1: When a team struggles, people want somebody to blame. But

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Speaker 1: I've said this time and time again. Football is a

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Speaker 1: team sport. It's the ultimate clich a. I'm thrown out there.

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Speaker 1: But the truth is, you've got three facets to this team,

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Speaker 1: and I can point to every single game Russ where

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Speaker 1: So let's look at this last Saints game you mentioned.

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Speaker 1: You hold Drew Brees to fifty six percentage in terms

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Speaker 1: not necessarily surprised. So you get eighty one down to

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Speaker 1: fifty six. Okay, I would say mission accomplished there. That's

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Speaker 1: So you basically handed the Saints a golden opportunity in

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Speaker 1: away with field goals on all four opportunities. It's a

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Speaker 1: something that most teams have struggled to do, which is

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Speaker 1: it frustrating, without question, You hear it from the players.

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Speaker 1: You hear it. You know it is frustrating. And listen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Coach Sherman said, you know, I want, you know, you

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Speaker 1: want to have say Kwan Barkley having more than ten touches. Nowhere.

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Speaker 1: When I say ten touches, I'm talking about ten rushes.

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Speaker 1: third quarter. But I think the counter argument to that

426
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Speaker 1: Russ is, well, if you have an opportunity to score

427
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Speaker 1: late in the second quarter, and then you get the

428
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Speaker 1: ball back in the third quarter, you've got a potential

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Speaker 1: for back to back scores in a five point game.

430
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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you're gonna win the game, but it could

431
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Speaker 1: very well change the dynamics of the contact. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, I'm again, I'm just trying to be get

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Speaker 1: inside up ult. Yeah, there is, I mean exactly, there

434
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Speaker 1: is multiple ways to look at it, because Pat might

435
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Speaker 1: saill wait a minute. Other than that first drive in

436
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Speaker 1: the first quarter, we weren't doing much, so maybe saying,

437
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Speaker 1: you know what, let me just try and regroup. Let's

438
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Speaker 1: let's get in. It's a low scoring gig where they want.

439
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Speaker 1: We just kept the completions leader down. I mean four

440
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Speaker 1: times in the red zone. They didn't get in, you know,

441
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Speaker 1: except for a field goal. But again it's it's over with.

442
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Speaker 1: The result was not what you wanted, and the result

443
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Speaker 1: is one in three and we move forward. Let's go

444
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Speaker 1: to our buddy Mark Antony in New York. Hey, Mark Anthony,

445
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 1: it's Russ and uh Lance, how are we doing? How

446
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: are you doing there? Russ? You know I'm seeing one

447
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Speaker 1: of my favorite old times. A man. I love you much.

448
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: You always make the show more interesting. Yeah, and you

449
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: know you're interesting. How you'd be jumping on people when

450
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Speaker 1: they'd be getting on your It was about New York

451
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: because you make me feel real at home when I

452
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: do that at ECUs jumping on me. But so I'm

453
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Speaker 1: not even you know, forgive me for um. I don't

454
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Speaker 1: know if there's lands uh here, but you know, hello, Lands,

455
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: I just wanted to jump into it for you know,

456
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: like it cut off. I just had a couple of

457
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Speaker 1: things up, go ahead ahead. I might have I might

458
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Speaker 1: have missed him. But first things first. Um, I'm kind

459
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,719
Speaker 1: of you know, part of the new management and how

460
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: they came in the beginning and got the left tack

461
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: or the left guard, the white guard and running back.

462
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: I knew it was not a once overseeing. I knew

463
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Speaker 1: we need to at least one more off season and

464
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Speaker 1: finish where they started. But isn't it a better up

465
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Speaker 1: grade from last year. I'm not looking for your yes

466
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Speaker 1: and no. I'm just saying like I wanted you to

467
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Speaker 1: like cover that, because that is a great you know,

468
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Speaker 1: like the left tackle last year to now and the

469
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 1: left guard that was injury that we couldn't see all year,

470
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Speaker 1: that's not here. He's in another team and we got

471
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Speaker 1: a rookie. I mean, like you have to respect the

472
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Speaker 1: footsteps that we're taking forward here, and I like the

473
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Speaker 1: defense is better than expected. Uh um. I wanted to

474
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Speaker 1: uh note that the running back Bartley I didn't want

475
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Speaker 1: him to go for four hundred yards is carry So

476
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Speaker 1: I kind of love how they're nurturing him like they

477
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Speaker 1: I say him get a good forty yard and then

478
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Speaker 1: give him a good blow. I don't want him to

479
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Speaker 1: be accidentally injury because as soon as that happens, I

480
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Speaker 1: know something you can do. Your giants, fame jerks are

481
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Speaker 1: gonna call it power and see we should go out

482
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Speaker 1: of it. I don't want to hear it. Well, injuries

483
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Speaker 1: are part of the game. Yeah you can't. You can't,

484
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Speaker 1: especially if you're running back. We can feed him, but

485
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Speaker 1: we ain't got to overfeed him. We don't want to

486
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Speaker 1: o'baft baby. We want a healthy baby. That's all I'm

487
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Speaker 1: trying to get it with that. And uh, I love

488
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Speaker 1: Brett Elton and tray In and I would just wanted

489
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Speaker 1: to want to get chances of U when Evans come back,

490
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Speaker 1: that he could play the third part of receiver fourth

491
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Speaker 1: And the only reason I brought that up I feel

492
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Speaker 1: I should mention what I said that is I kind

493
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Speaker 1: of feel like I'm looking at a couple of people

494
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Speaker 1: out there. I'm not seeing that otherwise we see it,

495
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: but we know who as seven is, we know who

496
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Speaker 1: thirteen is, we know who six is, we know who

497
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Speaker 1: we're Elton is, who's that other? Well, Cody Lattimer got hurt,

498
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: so he didn't play the last game. Well, Mark, Mark

499
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Speaker 1: Cody Latimer. Mark Cody Latimer is the third wide receiver.

500
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Speaker 1: He was inactive this week because he was hurt. He

501
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Speaker 1: suffered a knee injury. So Russell Shepherd is the guy

502
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Speaker 1: that filled in for Cody Latimer. And Shepherd's got ties

503
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Speaker 1: to Dave Gentleman from his Carolina days and he was

504
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Speaker 1: briefly in Philadelphia, so he was tied into Shermer' So

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, those are the two veterans at their utilie.

506
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Speaker 1: He was Odell's teammate at LSU. Correct, Yeah, matter of fact,

507
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Speaker 1: but thanks for the call, Thanks for the Mark appreciate

508
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Speaker 1: all right, Mark appreciate the phone call. I mean, in

509
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Speaker 1: terms of his point about upgrades on the roster, Yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna contend with that. They went out,

511
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: they addressed their areas of need. But once again, names

512
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: on paper don't always equate to w's in terms of

513
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: the field. So you know, right now, it's a feeling

514
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Speaker 1: out process. There's a lot of new players, it's a

515
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Speaker 1: new scheme, and there's some ups and downs obviously that

516
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Speaker 1: we're seeing in the first four games. But I think

517
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Speaker 1: if you compare the offensive line last year to this year,

518
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would disagree that certainly they made

519
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Speaker 1: upgrades in that regard. Now it's a matter if you

520
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Speaker 1: want to see a little bit more continuity asking to

521
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Speaker 1: assess the online look after four games, who's not going

522
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Speaker 1: to say the oline needs to be better? Really? Has

523
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Speaker 1: it been better since the Dallas game? Yes, the communication

524
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: has been because that was a game where a lot

525
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Speaker 1: of misques led to the six sacks. That was a mess.

526
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Speaker 1: Everybody was upset after that game. But after that, no,

527
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Speaker 1: you know, but it's been better, but it's not where

528
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Speaker 1: you want it to be. And they and Pat Shermer

529
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Speaker 1: and everybody would be the first ones to tell you that. Well,

530
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Speaker 1: and it Eli has been sacked for US fifteen times

531
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Speaker 1: in four games. It's not necessarily the best mathematics if

532
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Speaker 1: you played out over the whole season. Now, I mean

533
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: one of those um three of those sacks came courtesy

534
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Speaker 1: of J. J. Watt and that was in the game

535
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Speaker 1: that they won, exactly so because he didn't destroy the game.

536
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Speaker 1: That was the thing that Cam Jordan's who had four

537
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Speaker 1: sacks coming in tied for the team lead as well

538
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Speaker 1: as the NFL lead. He didn't destroy the game, but

539
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: Damario Davis at linebacker came in and had two sacks

540
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: up the gut, so you don't want to necessarily see

541
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Speaker 1: that happen. And then you know, the fumble at the

542
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Speaker 1: end of the game. I don't know if that was

543
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: necessarily as a killer. It was the fumble when they're

544
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Speaker 1: moving the football and Wayne Goldman gets stripped. That changes

545
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: field position. So you know they only got a field goal. Fortunately,

546
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: it speaks volumes of the defense. But the reason I

547
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: bring that up, Russ, you know you were talking about long,

548
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: sustainable drives at the beginning of the show. Well, turnovers

549
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: and penalties shoot those in the foot. Okay, you can't

550
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: maintain sustainable drives if you're backing yourself up behind the

551
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: chains and also you're losing the football. Just think about this.

552
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Speaker 1: Think about how many additional possessions the Saints got by

553
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Speaker 1: flipping the field versus turnovers and penalties. Okay, they went

554
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: for it on fourth and two, Russ with Taysom Hill, Okay,

555
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: so they extended their drive. That's a flip of possession

556
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: right there. I count Wayne Goldman loses a fumble, that's

557
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: another flip of a possession. So the Saints got two

558
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: additional possessions from those two plays right there, and the

559
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: Giants scored one touchdown and couldn't maintain possession for long

560
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: sustainable drives. Yeah. I mean, clearly the Saints monopolized possessions

561
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Speaker 1: in this game. And even then on the fumble, you know, uh,

562
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Speaker 1: I felt bad for Goldman because Goldman was in there

563
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: and he was productive. He was very productive. I mean

564
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: he was looking like, wow, is this gonna be the

565
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Speaker 1: Wayne Goldman Show in this particular. I mean that he

566
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: was in for a reason. He was doing very well,

567
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: and he didn't want it to disrupt that. I got that. That.

568
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Speaker 1: Then he fumbled the ball, which to me could have

569
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Speaker 1: gone either way on that past on the pass, and

570
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Speaker 1: and then as luck would have it going the other way.

571
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Speaker 1: I forget who it was, fumbles the ball and a

572
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Speaker 1: bounce right back up. Yeah, Well that was a wild

573
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Speaker 1: player you're talking about, Brandon Taate. Yeah, I mean I

574
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: still see this. I mean, like a hundred miles per hour,

575
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: like speedy Gonzalez, the ball shoots ahead and it bounces

576
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: right back up to him. Well a Ray Armstrong actually,

577
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: if you recall Rus so the Giants had a piece

578
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: of it. So it went off of Brandon Tate his belly,

579
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: off of Ray Armstrong's fingertip, and then back into Brandon

580
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: Tate's mid section. So I mean, talk about the luckiest

581
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: bounce of them all. And then you know another opportunity

582
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Speaker 1: speaking special teams, Ted Gin which you brought up earlier,

583
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: he muffs the kickoff, ball goes on the floor. Luckily,

584
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: after he turned around three times he was able to

585
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: get back on the football. Is if the Giants recover

586
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: that it's a one possession game, they're down by eight.

587
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, those are the types of opportunistic plays you

588
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: need to make if you want to try to overcome

589
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: your offensive issues and some of your defensive shortcomings. The

590
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: good teams they make those plays. Two one nine four

591
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: or five one three is the number again. Want to

592
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Speaker 1: remind you all that big blue kickoff live here is

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595
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Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen season. Let's hear from our buddy and

596
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: columb you, Maryland Len Len, how are we doing today? Well? Good, good,

597
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: good looking forward to next week. I'm trying to heat

598
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: my wife's advice. Whenever I get too far down in

599
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: the dump, she'll say to me, what are you getting

600
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: upsets for? There's another game next week, so I'm gonna

601
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: look at it. I'm gonna look at it that way.

602
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: We've got another one next week. Um, you know, Lance,

603
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: good point about good teams covering, you know, covering the

604
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: ball on Ted Ginn's play, and bad teams can't get

605
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: it covered or the ball doesn't bounce the right way,

606
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and that ball is so funny shapes you think that

607
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: would have taken one hop back into the end song

608
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line as Kin was trying to get

609
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: his hands on it and couldn't. And um, and it's

610
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: just it's just worked out that way, and and the

611
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: same thing of course on the you know, on the point. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you had a really good point, and unfortunately my computer

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Speaker 1: kicked out, so I may repeat something that you already

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Speaker 1: said Lance this morning. Um, I haven't had an article

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Speaker 1: on Monday on some of the things that happened in

616
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: the game on the on your on your website, And

617
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: he pointed out the fact that Barkley is only one

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Speaker 1: of four players. Did you cover this? I know you

619
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: were talking about I was talking about his yards each

620
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Speaker 1: of the first four games. Go ahead and make your point.

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Speaker 1: I I did not bring up one of the four

622
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Speaker 1: players that you were just about to make. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I haven't had a you know, a great great

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Speaker 1: line there. He said, there's only been four players in

625
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: NFL history who've had in their first four games a

626
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: hundred yard totally yardage. And there's some pretty fancy names

627
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: in that, like Led Niny and Tomlinson. So, um, you know,

628
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: he's he's getting some yardage. And what we gotta be careful?

629
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Speaker 1: It was, I know we want to run the guy more,

630
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Speaker 1: but well, what's the averaging twenty two touches so far? Lance?

631
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Speaker 1: Just off the top of your head, I think it's

632
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: fair to say, I mean I didn't do the average,

633
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: would wend Uh? You know, if you do that across

634
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: the whole season, that's what touches. That's a lot of touches. Yeah,

635
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: but you know, you land, you know what the deal is.

636
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: If the team is three and one or two and two,

637
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: or they just win that last game, no one's belly

638
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: aching about the touches. When you lose everybody's looking for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely,

639
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, and I understand where Pat was coming from.

640
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: You know, I like his news, his his news conferences, uh,

641
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: and his interaction with media. He's trying to be transparent

642
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: and he's answering all the questions. I hope it stays

643
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: with him off season, and you know it doesn't. You know,

644
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't blow up as the as if losses start

645
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: to pile up. But I think he's doing a pretty

646
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: good job. And he's trying to tell everybody what is

647
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: thinking is and you know, and so forth about why

648
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: he even said, well, I wish we had gotten Barkley

649
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: more touches. I don't know the game played out that way.

650
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the way I look at played out,

651
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: and that's when you look at it at the end,

652
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: that's how many cabbages Barkley had and how many touches

653
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: Barkley had, and you know, unfortunately we lost the game.

654
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Um improvement here, here's you know, fans like me, and

655
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use myself as an example here. Sometimes we

656
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: make it too simplistic, and here's what I'm looking for

657
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: in terms of improvement, blocking and tackling. We just all

658
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: all over the field. We simply got a block better.

659
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Barkley that that was not a stellar performance

660
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: blocking in the backfield when Eli was back there trying

661
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: to throw. The offensive line is having trouble blocking wide

662
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: receivers kick all free time. I mean, we got a

663
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: block better, and we gotta tackle better. You know, we

664
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: got to get a guy on the ground. You don't

665
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: necessarily individual player need to make three interceptions, you know,

666
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: knock a ball down. Hey, b J. Hill kept his

667
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: hand up and on a six ft quarterback. I think

668
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,959
Speaker 1: you need to do that on almost every play. Get

669
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: your hands open the air. You've got a tip of

670
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Paull but played by Hill. But you know, so you

671
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: don't have to do a lot. But you gotta get

672
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: a guy on the ground. Cheez. We gotta tackle better.

673
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: That That's what I'm looking for in terms of improvement

674
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: as we as we go into the camera linea game,

675
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: I think it's a winnable game. I think we can

676
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: win the we can Tackling is going to be so

677
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: important to this game because you're going up against so

678
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: now you dealt with Alvid Camara. Now you gotta deal

679
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: with Christian McCaffrey. By the Way who is a different back,

680
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: but he's utilized just like Camary. He catches the ball

681
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: out of the backfield, he runs through the tackles, he

682
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: runs to the outside. You gotta wrap up somebody like that. Yeah, alright,

683
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: one just for one more point, and thanks for bearing

684
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: with me. I appreciate it, and I'm going to end

685
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: on a positive note. I've always thought things running fours,

686
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: not not just first quarter, second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter,

687
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: four games each quarter. It runs in four consecutive games.

688
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 1: I think you have how many undefeated teams are the way?

689
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: Just the Ramps, just the Rams, Yeah, Ramps to four? No,

690
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean everybody, three and one, one and three. You know,

691
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I guess you got one team at the other end

692
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: of Arizona. But you know it's the Rams are not

693
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: gonna win eight. No, chances are they're not gonna win

694
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: eight never. I mean, things change. I'm not suggesting they're

695
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: they're really sailing along, but I don't think you can

696
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: sail along at high efficiency past four weeks. And I'm

697
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: not suggesting you're gonna lose the next week. Everybody going

698
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: the Morgas money against the Rams. But I think what

699
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: happens is you the efficiency starts to fall off. And

700
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: I think it happens at the other end too. You know.

701
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: Russ started off by saying, hey, you know, bad games here,

702
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: We've had some bad games. It's it's four games. I

703
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: think things are gonna start to get better. Things are

704
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: going to start to click. I'm not suggesting we're gonna

705
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: run off six in a row, don't get me wrong.

706
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: I just think we're at a point where things are

707
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna start to turn around. Well, let's let's let's help

708
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: your right as always always, thanks for taking my call.

709
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Lenny. Two O one five one three is

710
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: the number. You know what I was kind of I

711
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: found that kind of interesting. I figured Lenn was gonna

712
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: come on down in the dumps. His wife must have

713
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: shaken him up with yeah, well, Len always tries to

714
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: find the silver line over it, So yeah, you gotta

715
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: move on. Listen. It's a week to week league, which

716
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: is to me what I was taking away from what

717
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: Lenn was saying. However, two things, just to piggyback off

718
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: of this point. Number one, I wouldn't be worried about

719
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: the rams of all teams right now there in the

720
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: NFC West and the Giants should be worried about taking

721
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: care of business in their own division. They still have

722
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: opportunities ahead of them. Number Two, you should never be

723
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: thinking about another team falling off. You should be thinking

724
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: about more what you're gonna do as a team to improve.

725
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: So that's why I mean, the Rams to me are

726
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: completely irrelevant. But I think if there's any team that

727
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: has shown consistency on both sides of the football, it's

728
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: the Rams. And that's what I'm looking for, Lenn, I mean, Russ,

729
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: Excuse me, That's what I'm looking for when I'm looking

730
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: at teams after the first quarter of the season, to

731
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: see whether or not they're pointing up, they're gonna stay

732
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: where they are, they're gonna fall off. Is continuity. And

733
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: when you look at the first four games of the Giants, Russ,

734
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, I think we've really had a bag of

735
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: mixed goods here, right. You know, they've found a variety

736
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: of ways to fall short. Some games the offense has clicked,

737
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: like the Houston Texans. Other games there's been major pass

738
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: protection issues like the Dallas Cowboys game. The Jaguars game

739
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: was a tight affair until late to turnover to tip

740
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: all the interception. And then now the Saints game. You know,

741
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: the defense held the Saints in check for the first half,

742
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: but it was a tale of two halves for the

743
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: defense and the offense went back to square one in

744
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: terms of the struggles. So you got a lot of

745
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: ups and downs. It's it's hard to really get a

746
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: good read on this team because there's been so many

747
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: different narratives and plot lines from game to game two

748
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: oh one nine four or five one three. Then number

749
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: let's go to our nation's capital, Washington, d C. Check

750
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: in with Tony. How are you doing today? Tone, you're

751
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: on with Russe and Lance? Hey, James takes taking my call?

752
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: What's going on? So I'm very positive actually on the

753
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: season two. But Sunday's game on offense was just horrible.

754
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: And here's why. And I can't believe two callers. I've

755
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: already called in in staid that they're okay with a

756
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: six ft two one year old running back that was

757
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: drafted number two getting ten touches. We were watching he

758
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: got ten carries. Yeah, yeah, ten carries. By every metric,

759
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he is, but by every metric he

760
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: is bigger, stronger, and faster than Ezekiel Elliott. We are

761
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: not gonna be competitive with a four to one throwing

762
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: to rushing the temp ratio. We will never be competitive,

763
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: we and I'm not. It's it's an easy fix. We

764
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: just gotta run the ball. It's an easy fix. But

765
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: here's the thing. We we allowed these things to turn

766
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: us into a think and dunk offense for three hours.

767
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: That was a painful game to watch. I mean, oh,

768
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's covered two, covered three soft the entire game.

769
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 1: John came on yesterday and one through the two man film.

770
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: There was nothing down steal. They totally sold out, saying

771
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: we're not letting Beckham and and Sheppard and Ellis do

772
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: what they want to do. They only rushed for people

773
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and we didn't run the ball. The only reason we

774
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: lost is because Alma Comito had nineteen touches and our

775
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: guy had ten. Increase. They ran the ball because we

776
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: sold out on their passing game. There was nothing complicated.

777
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: The players played fine. Well listen, Tony, Tony, you're making

778
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: some very good points. Uh, you know, nobody's disputing how

779
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: that they have. You know, you want to see him

780
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: run the ball more. As far as Eli's numbers, you know,

781
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: they're a little skewed because at the end, you know,

782
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: it looks better he didn't. You know, Eli is the

783
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: first one is gonna tell you he didn't have a

784
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: good game. Okay, you know, but that you know, like

785
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta said, it's to prevent defense to going down, you know.

786
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: But but I will say this, and I said this

787
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: when we opened up the show, I said, you know,

788
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: I was sitting with Jeff Feagles watching the game in

789
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: the press box, and when when when Eli threw that

790
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: two point conversion and then within eight with three forty

791
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: three or three forty three, forty three was left in

792
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: the game. I looked at Jeff and said, oh my goodness,

793
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna steal this game. And then on the ensuing kickoff,

794
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: getting fumbles it and Giants have him backed on the

795
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: three yard line and two. To his credit and to

796
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: the Saints credit because it was a ballsy call, uh

797
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, outcomes Drew Brees throwing from his own end

798
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: zone completing a twenty yard passed That really was, you know,

799
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: taking a win out of the Sales because at that juncture,

800
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: you could feel it in the building, you could feel

801
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: it in MetLife. Everybody said, whoa all of a sudden,

802
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: this game ain't overa you know well, and that goes

803
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: back to the point. You know, Tony, I don't disagree

804
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: with anything you said. I brought that up at the

805
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: top of the show. Fifteen runs to forty four pass plays.

806
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: It's just it's not favorable mathematics to win a football game.

807
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: You never want. That's such of a lopsided breakdown. Chimara

808
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: got twenty four touches, Barkley got sixteen. I don't think

809
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: the Giants lost the game simply because of the eight

810
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: differential between touches. But what the Saints did was in

811
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: the second half they were able to sustain long drives

812
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: because they fed their best player and that's the thing.

813
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: And the Giants defense wore down, whereas the Giants offense

814
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: was mainly pass past pass and not a lot of

815
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: runs mixed in to try to wear down the Saints

816
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: defense and maybe catch them off guards. So, you know,

817
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: that is something that' moving forward, you want to showcase

818
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: more balanced, especially when you're only down by nine points

819
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: in the second half, if you're down by two touchdowns,

820
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: I can understand the urgency to go more to the past.

821
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: But given the fact that the game wasn't that lopsided

822
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: so early in the second half, there certainly was time

823
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: to run the football. I don't disagree with anything you said,

824
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: and let me tell you this and I'll let you go.

825
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: We called this is what we called Dinky Dunkeane High School.

826
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: It's called keep away quarterbacking. The problem with keepaway quarterbacking

827
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: is that whenever you fall behind the sticks. Yes, you

828
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: can chew up Clark, you can get time a possession,

829
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: pretty good with with drinking and don't. But the issue

830
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: is that as soon as you give up a sack,

831
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: a tackle for loss, you missed the catch, you missed

832
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: the throw, you get a flag, of course, and that's

833
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: why a penalty and a drop pass and all of

834
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: these mishaps. Yes, stunt did drives you hunt persent right

835
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: because you put yourself in a precarious position. There's no

836
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: explosive place, there's no big place. So you know, if

837
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: you get two yards on first down, it's second and eight,

838
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 1: then you get a holding call. All of a sudden,

839
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: it's a second and long. So you know, this is

840
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: the type of team right now that can't overcome those

841
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: little small nuances of the game that are coming back

842
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: to bite them. Absolutely. But yeah, but in closing, run

843
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: that boy. He is too big, He's not made of sugar.

844
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: Run that boy, all right, Tony appreciate and I agree.

845
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: I agree with Tony's point. Russ, and I've said this

846
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: again and again, it's the same thing we actually, I think,

847
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: had this conversation a few weeks back about the debate

848
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: would you allow sa Kwan Barkley to return kickoffs and

849
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham to return punts? They're your best weapons. You

850
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: can't put them in bubble wrap. You invested money in them,

851
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: you drafted them for a reason. This whole fear factor

852
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: that is in today's society that the more work you

853
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: give a player, the more likely they're gonna get hurt,

854
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: to me, is absolutely ridiculous. Lance. I could not agree

855
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: with you more. All I will say is this, if

856
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: it was either Odell or se Kwan who was back

857
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: receiving a kickoff or a punt and they were injured

858
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: on so, I know what you're gonna say, you know

859
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: what we've been dealing with that. But but you know,

860
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: be the giant suicide hot, it would be Russ. But Russ,

861
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: my reaction would be the same thing I said. I'm

862
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: not saying. I know, but that's what it would be.

863
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: The media would. But first, how would I do it

864
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: having these guys in there? You dollar Man, you had

865
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: second round pick come you know, you know you're never

866
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: to pick overall. Well, first of all, I bring this

867
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: up all the time. The Steelers never hesitate to put

868
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown out there. So that's one thing. And then

869
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: number two, if you're Pat Shermer, the last thing you

870
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: can afford to be worried about Russ is who's calling

871
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: up on Big Blue Kickoff Life And what the media

872
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: is gonna say. I'm not I'm not I know you're

873
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: not saying. And I will say this in fairness to

874
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: Pat Sherman and Dave Gettleman. And this is the two

875
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: things that I like about them. While they care and

876
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: I know for a fact because I talked to them

877
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,879
Speaker 1: all the time. Uh, while they care and certainly care

878
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: big about Big Blue Nation and the fans, they don't

879
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: operate worrying their game plan. Uh. Pat Sherman doesn't make

880
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: his game plan hoping that the fans are gonna like him.

881
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: Of course, Gettleman doesn't make his moves hoping that the

882
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: fans are gonna like him. They make their moves based

883
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: upon what they feel inside their guts, inside their chair,

884
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: what they feel is in the best of what what

885
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: is best for the Giants, And no team should operate no,

886
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: no thing. And believe me, there are a lot of coaches,

887
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of managers and gms in a lot of

888
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: sports who operate Oh one of them. What's the meeting

889
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna say today? Oh are they gonna love this?

890
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: Oh the fans are gonna love me today? Well, they're

891
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: all gonna You can't believe me. That is not the

892
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: way to operate. And and a lot of guys operate

893
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: that way. So believe me, I'll tell you what I

894
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: would see red flags. As soon as I see a

895
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: culture at GM operating that way, I know there's trouble.

896
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: And what I've watched from Pat Sherman, as far as

897
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: that goes, I love every minute of it. He knows

898
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: what he's gonna say. He's not throwing his players on

899
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: the buses. People who Right after the press conference, somebody

900
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: was asking, well, expect massive changes, and you know he

901
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: got Shereman said, massive changes. What are you talking about?

902
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Massive changes? They gotta get we gotta get better. Well,

903
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do bringing a new roster? At

904
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: this point, the team is what it is to a

905
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: one five, one three is the number. Let's go down

906
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: to Florida, check in with George, George, around with Russ,

907
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: and last, how are we doing today? Doing great? Um,

908
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't have a life to keep me track for

909
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: next week, so that that best to start. One of

910
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: one of the things that I was watching Tony Romo

911
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: and it really annoys me that I have to give

912
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: him credit because he basically said that the Giants are

913
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 1: not set up to have you. Guy dropped back five

914
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: to seven steps, So doesn't that suggest that the coaches

915
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: on the other side scheme for that? And he he

916
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: also said something about that if if you time, he's

917
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: had two to three seconds to get the ball out.

918
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: So how how do you uh going forward with that

919
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: type of situation? Well, first of all, we'll go ahead, No, no,

920
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: I was just gonna call George, George, appreciate your wearing in.

921
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is, if you look back

922
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: at the Texans game, you're right he did not drop

923
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: back five seven steps. I mean he was just getting

924
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: it and then getting rid of it, and that was

925
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: the way that they felt that they could counteract some

926
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: issues in past protection. And it worked, but that was

927
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: because keep in mind, the Texans played a different style

928
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: of defense than the New Orleans Saints, so it's not

929
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: gonna work against everybody, but that's what they're doing. When

930
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: you have weaknesses on a team, good coaches then scheme

931
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: around those weaknesses, and that's what the Giants did effectively

932
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: against the Houston Texans. But now you're gonna see a

933
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: new defense with New Orleans and then you're gonna see

934
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: a new defense with Carolinas. So they're gonna show different

935
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: looks that the Texans didn't and sometimes they're gonna take

936
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: away some of those, even short passes on top of

937
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: the deep passes. So it's gonna be a week to

938
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: week experiment for the Giants in terms of what they're

939
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: going to do to get around some past protection issues

940
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: and also try to find the balance where they can

941
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: get big explosive plays. Now here's what I will say, Russ.

942
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks that in order to get big explosive plays

943
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, you gotta throw thirty to

944
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: forty yards down the field. I completely disagree with that.

945
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: Now that was not happening against the New Orleans Saints.

946
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: But you have se Kwan Barkley, you have Old Dell Beckham,

947
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: you even have Sterling Shepherd. How many times for us

948
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: have we seen Okay, Barkley small sample size, he's been

949
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: in college, but even so on in college where sometimes

950
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: if you get these guys out in open space in

951
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: the short term and you have your blockers up the field,

952
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: they can still gain twenty to twenty five yards, whether

953
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: it's a slant or a screen pass or something to

954
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: that nature. So you know, when everybody says, oh, why

955
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: did the Giants throw thirty to forty yards down the field?

956
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: I get that, But that's not the only way to

957
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: manufacture big plays. So what the Giants are gonna have

958
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: to find ways to do is Okay, if we can't

959
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: throw bombs down the field, how do we then get Barkley,

960
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: Beckham and Shepherd involved five yards out of the in

961
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: a scrimmage and get them into the open field to

962
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: create those You know, you're right, listen, Sterling, Thank goodness,

963
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: uh ten targets ten receptions very efficient. That was extremely efficient,

964
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and he he's looked very good this year now with O'Dell.

965
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: That's part of what people, for lack of a better term,

966
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: are bitching about. You know, O'Dell has the ability as

967
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: as you say you don't. It doesn't have to be

968
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: a home run that goes way downfield. You can get

969
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: a home run out of like uh, you know, cutting

970
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: across the middle or something like that. And he has

971
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: the ability Oldell does to do that. You know that

972
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: goes in line to what you were talking about before

973
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: with kickoffs and punt returns. You know you're explosive these launches.

974
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: Good players, these are you know, explosive, dynamic player. You

975
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: want them touching the ball. Dave Dominic are producer here

976
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: that we were talking about fans, coaches and GM's have

977
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: to operate not worrying what the fans are gonna say.

978
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: And this is credited to former Eagles coach Joe A

979
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 1: Hot hot check uh in nine seven. If you listen

980
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: to the fans, you'll find yourself sitting point. That's a

981
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: good point, very good point. Good job, Dave, two five

982
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: one three is the number. Let's go to our buddy

983
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 1: coach Marvin in Delaware. How you doing their coach, Marv

984
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: doing good rushing Okay, that's quick, man. There's so much

985
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: going on today. It was a tough weekend to watch

986
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: from where I'm at in the Delaware area. I didn't

987
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: get the game. I had to watch it online and

988
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of like to what was happening through this stats.

989
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: But whatever that first drive is, it seems like they

990
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: had a good game plan there. I don't know what

991
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: change from that point. I know penalties, uh, yardage being

992
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: lost on bad plays, you know what. Let me just

993
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: interject and then you'll continue, coach, because Lance brought it

994
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: up before, and and that's a very good point, you know,

995
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: in this the dicussion, a lot of what sometimes doesn't

996
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: get mentioned are the penalties. All of a sudden, Why

997
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: would the Giants so successful the week before because they

998
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: weren't in those second and long, third and long situations.

999
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: They were all manageable situations. When you start getting you know,

1000
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: back to those second and long situations, especially as the result,

1001
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, your first and twenty, your second and fifteen,

1002
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: you know that's gonna put you in a situation to fail,

1003
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: not in a situation to succeed. And Coach Marvin, before

1004
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: you continue on your point, Russ, if you are not

1005
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: efficient on third and longs, then you have no way

1006
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: to get yourself out of those situations. Case at point,

1007
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: the Giants were five of ten on third down on Sunday,

1008
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: a very good percentage on third down. The problem is

1009
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: half of those ten third downs were for eight yards

1010
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: or more. You know how many they converted, So they

1011
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: have five third downs or eight yards or more they

1012
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: converted one of those five whenever they're in third loans

1013
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: because you don't have the ability to throw down the

1014
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: field and you're limited. You know, defenses have a good

1015
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: read on you. So they're putting themselves in those long

1016
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: situations and then they can't execute and fight their way

1017
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: out of it. So it's a double edged sword. Go ahead, coach, continue,

1018
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: budd Yah. Yeah, And I understand what you guys are saying.

1019
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,240
Speaker 1: They have this team have to stay ahead of the sticks.

1020
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: They can't afford to go uh second and thirteen, second

1021
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: and fourteen those things are get a penalty in this

1022
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: third and twenty or third and fifteen. They just don't

1023
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: have the people up front to do that. And I

1024
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: understand that. Um. The other thing I was gonna I

1025
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: was thinking that you both was right about they need

1026
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: something to energize them. And in a way, I'm with

1027
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: both of you. As far as to kick off in

1028
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: the punt, I think on one or two of those

1029
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: golf we may have to put Barkley back there. They're

1030
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: not running down they did in the past on the kickoff.

1031
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: Now they put delay. The guys can't run until they

1032
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: had to take it. So he had did a little

1033
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: bit of face treats that he can talk more. They

1034
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: need something big to happen because it seems to get

1035
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: them energize, because it seems like they just not energize.

1036
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: And I think a kickoff or a punt one or two.

1037
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: I mean they don't have to be back there talk

1038
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: each kickoff or each punt trut wan from one somewhere

1039
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: in there. You gotta put one on back there and say,

1040
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: you know what, we need something to get up scoring.

1041
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: So they were only one score down for a while

1042
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: in that day. One big play and momentum is real.

1043
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if people believe it, but momentum is real.

1044
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: Once you get momentum, the other team almost seeks there

1045
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: at your mercy, especially especially in football, right you have

1046
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: to do something to stop the momentum penalty that breaks

1047
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: it up. A turnover that breaks that momentum. That's the

1048
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,280
Speaker 1: only way the other team can get the momentum away

1049
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: from you unless they come up with a big place.

1050
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: So that's why I think they need that. The other thing,

1051
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: I had two more of one real quick, I just

1052
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: might just say Lance and the guy have to Lance.

1053
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: They both have some good points, but it's a basic

1054
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: game tackle and blocking, that's all it is. Sometimes we

1055
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: did more like uh scientific, more than we need to.

1056
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: And my last statement was the clock before um half

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00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: time and RUSSI was talking, you're my man. Russ loved you,

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00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: but in a way I didn't streen that. My question

1059
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Speaker 1: for Russ is if it was the end of the game,

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: was you call time out? Yes, But but don't get

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00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: me wrong, Marv, I tend to agree I wanted to

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00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: time out as well. Okay, I'm just saying I was

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00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: trying to think of the logic why he was doing

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00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: it in a different way. Now, No, but if you

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00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: asked me the question, So listen, coach, at the end

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Speaker 1: of the game, you're in a different situation because at

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Speaker 1: the end of the game, it's all or nothing at all.

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00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: There is no tomorrow. As you're at the end of

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00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 1: the game, fifty five seconds left or fifty seconds left

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00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: in the game, and fifty seconds left in the first

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00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: half when you're gonna get the kick off to start

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00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,479
Speaker 1: the second half. It's two different scenarios. So in that respect, coach,

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00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I love you that one. I disagree

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00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: with that logic. Yes, you did. You know you just

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00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: remind me. I owe you an apology for that because

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00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: you did say you were thinking maybe what the coach

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00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: was thinking, you wouldn't believe in that you were trying

1078
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: to get into day and that's what I was thinking,

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00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: And you're right, you did say that. But the thing is,

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00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I treat my second half my first half the same

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00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: as I do at the end. When they're in that situation,

1082
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get that extra if they score touchdown

1083
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: or they score field goal, I need that extra possession

1084
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 1: to see if I can get something. Because it was

1085
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: like fifty four seconds, let us go back and look

1086
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, well I read the time. I mean

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00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: it was really a minute fifty one where you probably

1088
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: could have started calling time outs. The Saints ultimately used

1089
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: time outs, but they didn't use it until there was

1090
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: about twenty one seconds on the clock, right, so they

1091
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: could a got that ball back. I'll get a kickoff

1092
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: to say, let's say seconds at the least are the

1093
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: most got the kickoffs. See what happens on the first

1094
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: place becomes a big play. Okay, now we're gonna try

1095
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: and do something, but they get back, come things. You

1096
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: know what, we're gout taking me and get out of here.

1097
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: But you gotta have the opportunity, and they should have

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00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: taken advantage of that opportunity. Well, it's about it bats,

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00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: coach Marvin, and listen, we'll let you go on that note.

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: Appreciate the phone call. All about opportunities and at bats,

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00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: and when you're an offense that struggles to put together long,

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00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: sustainable drives, you want as many at bats as possible.

1103
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: So that's why it's key to gain those extra possessions.

1104
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: That's why I brought up the Saints gained two extra

1105
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: possessions in that game by going for it on fourth

1106
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: and two and by getting the Wayne Goleman fumble that

1107
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: gave Drew Brees more opportunities even after they went over

1108
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: four in the red zone, and all of a sudden

1109
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: they found the way to manufacture thirty three points two

1110
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: one five one three is the number. We've just got,

1111
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: really a couple of minutes left, but Scott New Mexico

1112
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: has been hanging on, so let's get the Scott will

1113
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: wrap the day with him. Scotty, try and make it quick, buddy,

1114
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: I will. Thanks guys. I think I've listened to the

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00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: whole show and everybody made some really very interesting points.

1116
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: But my real club with the Giants is the creativity

1117
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: or the stagnancy of the play calling. And I'll take

1118
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: just one example. The play that Goldman fumbled on if

1119
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: you remember, it was Eli had faked an end around,

1120
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: was looking downfield, didn't see anyone open, and through the

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00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: ball to Goldman, who would have gotten just one yard

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00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: if he had not fumbled. So I'm saying to myself,

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00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: where is the creativity of the offensive? I think on

1124
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: the very first play, Yeah, on the very first play,

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00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: the game around and what happened. They got a first

1126
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: down and it's sort of propelled them to the drive.

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00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: And I've been saying this almost weekend week out. They

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00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: need to be more creative in their play calling, and

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00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: if they do that, they can establish an offense. But

1130
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: they can't do it if it's predictable. Well, well, Scott,

1131
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: and thanks for the call, buddy. We don't have a

1132
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: lot of time, so will say goodbye. I think you

1133
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: make a fair point. I would just say, let's let's

1134
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: let's be honest and frank about this, especially in the

1135
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: first couple of games. You know, the offensive line is

1136
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: not where it needs to be. But it has improved

1137
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: the last two games. Whether you like this past weekend's

1138
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: result or not. And again, uh, it was far from perfect,

1139
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: but it was still better than it had been. But

1140
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, part of that being creative and what I

1141
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: mean they were having the handsful doing basics with the

1142
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: offensive line the first couple of weeks. If you can't

1143
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: execute to that level, now you want to get trickery.

1144
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get too cute and then it winds up

1145
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: coming back to haunt you. You know, you know what,

1146
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: I think it's convenient to bring out that point. And

1147
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, Scott, to his credit, you do watch that

1148
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: first play or energize the offense, and then things fell

1149
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: stagged it. But I think a lot of giant stands

1150
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: are watching what the Saints did Ross. If you remember,

1151
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: you know Taysom Hill, their third string quarterback. They use

1152
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: them on special teams, they use them on some red

1153
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: zone plays. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. I'm not

1154
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: a big fan of taking the ball away from Drew

1155
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: Brees when you're in the red zone under center, considering

1156
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: he's your best weapon. And you know, I was cringing

1157
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: sometimes when the Saints did that, just from a football perspective,

1158
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes getting too cute is dangerous. You

1159
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: gotta stick to the simplistic parts of the game. You

1160
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: gotta execute that first before you really start digging deep

1161
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: into your bag of tricks. That's when the turnovers coming

1162
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: down and and you tend to get be a little

1163
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: more cute when you have a lot of confidence and

1164
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: with the team is one and three. You know what

1165
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: they say, confidence goes. Winning builds confidence and losing well anyway,

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Speaker 1: That is a wrap on today again. Want to remind

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: I'm Russ Salzburg and our thanks to Dave Dominic. Thank

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Speaker 1: you all for being part of Big Blue Kickoff. Here

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Speaker 1: on giants dot com. I will see you again tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Have a going