Speaker 1: This is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com and the official Dallas Cowboys as Boy No. Your
Speaker 1: hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern, and Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is
Speaker 1: Wednesday here at the Star, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: are asking what day of the week is it, because
Speaker 1: it's that weird time of the year between Christmas and
Speaker 1: Year Zeve. A lot of people are off. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: guys are still listening to us, even when you're just
Speaker 1: sitting there with your family. Take a break, take take
Speaker 1: a listen to us as we bring some positive news
Speaker 1: after a sad Cowboys loss on Christmas Eve. But we
Speaker 1: still have work this week and we still have the
Speaker 1: Eagles on Sunday at noon. So how's everyone doing ready
Speaker 1: for that weather? Yeah, I'm good. We're getting ready ready
Speaker 1: for it right now. Yeah forever, it's quite the same, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no different low of nine, Brian. So people get awoke
Speaker 1: off between Christmas and New Year's Yeah, if you if
Speaker 1: you drive along the highways, you can tell that when
Speaker 1: when When does the last time that's happened to any
Speaker 1: of us? I bet rob high school when I didn't
Speaker 1: work here for three years. Yeah, they get you the
Speaker 1: whole week. Taylor. Taylor getting ready for bowl games, national
Speaker 1: championship games. I've never had time off ere. I would
Speaker 1: say high school because even when I was in college,
Speaker 1: and you still get the break. I would leave on
Speaker 1: Christmas Day and go to Miami or Pasadena or Nice
Speaker 1: and a lot of places use us. Yeah, she did
Speaker 1: a lot of places that young life. Kind of a
Speaker 1: big deal. Kind of a big deal. So low of nine,
Speaker 1: low of nine, So it's not quite the same here. No,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be difficult. They gonna have to fight. I
Speaker 1: lived in the Low of nine for about five years.
Speaker 1: Let's you come with us. Yeah, we're downtown. Found out
Speaker 1: so sweet. If you took my spot pregame, you're just
Speaker 1: stand on the box and stand above. You could host. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love that. You guys will all be the same height. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'd be cool. Yeah, all the same height. That's important.
Speaker 1: It is important. Yeah, TV TV, we need you on
Speaker 1: the trip, Tay, we do. I can't believe they're outside
Speaker 1: practicing right now. No, they need to practice outside. They
Speaker 1: need to play football. Used to it. No, you know
Speaker 1: what though the coach is set. I know you're probably
Speaker 1: gonna get into this, Tay, but listen to the head
Speaker 1: coach talk. He's gonna go try and win a football game.
Speaker 1: He should because you have to have a winning season,
Speaker 1: because if you don't, you're gonna sit there at eight
Speaker 1: and eight for the rest of the off season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: knowing that you're super Bowl hopes and dreams at the
Speaker 1: start of the season long gone. Well, maybe some of
Speaker 1: it not at their own doing. You know, what do
Speaker 1: you mean the whole thing with the suspension with Elliott
Speaker 1: you figure, you know, Mickey, we were trying to talk
Speaker 1: about how many more games would it mean? It mean one,
Speaker 1: two more games, you know, maybe a little bit different,
Speaker 1: maybe not being three and three, maybe being four and two.
Speaker 1: A couple of things your way. In a couple of
Speaker 1: losses they had all of a sudden, you're looking at
Speaker 1: ten eleven wins. I just think, you know, that's the
Speaker 1: thing about what happens is that it's amazing to me
Speaker 1: and I've I've accused the fans of this waiting with
Speaker 1: pitchforks and torches at the gates ready to storm. I
Speaker 1: liked your tweet this morning after that you know, I
Speaker 1: missed it. What was it? Yeah? Just what he said?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah yeah, pitchforks and torches, you know. And
Speaker 1: and it's amazing, you know, and Nicky likes to use
Speaker 1: the line. Well, they hadn't. They didn't get this dumb
Speaker 1: just overnight. And and you know, talk about the players.
Speaker 1: You talk about Prescott, sure, I mean he saved your rear.
Speaker 1: The start the season had really kind of an off middle,
Speaker 1: didn't have the running back. The offense is built around
Speaker 1: Elliott the way it is, you know, And we didn't
Speaker 1: consider a sophomore sump for a dack. I don't you know.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I was one of these guys, and I
Speaker 1: don't know about anybody else. I think you guys were
Speaker 1: pretty consistent about this when we're coming out of Oxnard,
Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be a slump because of the weapons
Speaker 1: around him. But did the weapon around him help him
Speaker 1: this year? You know, Mickey talks about the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Was it really one of the best offensive lines? No?
Speaker 1: You know, was their lack of the running game? Yeah?
Speaker 1: For six weeks there really was, I mean that that
Speaker 1: dynamic player to run the football. Remember after DeMarco Murray
Speaker 1: left and it was the twenty fifteen season. It was
Speaker 1: the four and twelfth season ever, and said, well, they've
Speaker 1: got they've got the old line. They can place, plug
Speaker 1: and play anything in there, and then it feels almost
Speaker 1: very similar with this year, except vice versa. It was like, well,
Speaker 1: they have the running back, they can almost plug anyone
Speaker 1: in there on that old line, right, and it will
Speaker 1: kind of be the same. And it was not. It's
Speaker 1: a threat. They were able to run the ball. The
Speaker 1: threat that Elliott presents is difficult to deal with if
Speaker 1: you're an opponent, and we saw that the other day
Speaker 1: with Seattle to a point and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: then you got behind in the game and now you
Speaker 1: had to start throwing the football to try and get
Speaker 1: back in it. I really look at the season in
Speaker 1: like three different chunk. We talked about the first month
Speaker 1: of the season where they played some really good fronts
Speaker 1: defensive right that they struggled with and you could say
Speaker 1: the offensive line didn't play up to their standard. They
Speaker 1: were really challenged in those games. And then you start
Speaker 1: looking at Green Bay, San Francisco, Washington, Kansas City, when
Speaker 1: they got things rolling up front, they got things rolling
Speaker 1: with the running game, Dak. Let's not forget Dak was
Speaker 1: terrific there in that stretch, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: it looked like this team's a contender again. They started
Speaker 1: looking like the offense that we were accustomed to lasting.
Speaker 1: And then the court stepped in exactly and well, both
Speaker 1: this and Sean Lee hurt too. You're right. Day it
Speaker 1: was like it was like being on that ride in
Speaker 1: the fair the bottom falls out. Yeah, well stick to
Speaker 1: the wall and you keep spinning. Yes, that was kind
Speaker 1: of the perfect storm. And then they went through that
Speaker 1: lull where they didn't adapt well or maybe it's just
Speaker 1: a reality without without those guys got it turned around
Speaker 1: and then looked they lost. They lost a difficult game
Speaker 1: the other day. Zeke Back thought he played well, there
Speaker 1: were some things you talked about in blitz protection. Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe that's some rust. Yeah, it's not all on him.
Speaker 1: But they just they just beat themselves. They turned the
Speaker 1: ball over too much the other day and it cost them.
Speaker 1: But have they been perfect offensively with all their pieces. No,
Speaker 1: but it's never a perfect season as it is. This
Speaker 1: is silly, so bear with me on this question. But
Speaker 1: if you could go back, you know, we talk a
Speaker 1: lot about losses. You could get back and forth, and
Speaker 1: it is what it is with the ezy gilia suspension.
Speaker 1: He missed the games he missed, and we are where
Speaker 1: we're at. But would you have rather him, knowing what
Speaker 1: you just said, how this team kind of got on
Speaker 1: the role, would you have rather him do that sixth
Speaker 1: game suspension right away? Get it done? I think what
Speaker 1: game would you have come back for? It would have
Speaker 1: been the October twenty ninth game, I believe San Francisco
Speaker 1: y San Francisco or Washington on the road. San Francisco
Speaker 1: was the seventh game. He would have been back at Washington.
Speaker 1: At Washington. Yeah, so say he's back there, and then
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, I mean, you go on
Speaker 1: a run hopefully or at least you've figured out different things.
Speaker 1: What do you think? That's a great question. They went
Speaker 1: what four and two during that six game stretch? Yeah
Speaker 1: with him? Okay, so they went three and three without him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one game difference, right game difference? Yeah? Where yet
Speaker 1: right now? One game outlay, one game off. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's any guarantees. Yeah, it's look at our
Speaker 1: question if you want to look at itselfish, But you
Speaker 1: got to look at it from his standpoint. Yeah, Oh no,
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm not I'm not saying anything about him.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, timing of the season is
Speaker 1: so can I can I interject and maybe it? Can
Speaker 1: I interject another thought? Were they too late to adjust
Speaker 1: to the young defensive backs, adjusting which sense play the
Speaker 1: young defensive backs? Or I mean, I know a Woozier
Speaker 1: was trying to practice, actually missed a couple of games
Speaker 1: while he was got hurt in Denver, right, and then
Speaker 1: actually got hurt in Green Bay, and then got hurt
Speaker 1: again in Green Bay, got hurt again Bay. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: but were they could they when he was coming back?
Speaker 1: Were they? Were they? Should they have? Should they have
Speaker 1: made a switch? Should they have thought about a different
Speaker 1: plan of attack? Again, I'm just asking because it looks
Speaker 1: like with that switch, or with the secondary switch with
Speaker 1: Shaun Lee, with Hitchens, they've kind of found them. They
Speaker 1: found themselves defensively a little bit. But remember they had
Speaker 1: brought him back twice. The Green Bay game he got
Speaker 1: and it failed, right, And so when they brought him
Speaker 1: back the third time, it was like, let's not give
Speaker 1: him a heavy load. It wasn't going to corner, so
Speaker 1: he played two games of special teams before he took
Speaker 1: over at left. See, that's what I'm saying, though he
Speaker 1: was he was actually available. I want to say before
Speaker 1: they they put him out there at Washington. You know that.
Speaker 1: That's That's all I'm saying. Should they have made the
Speaker 1: switch a little earlier. It's a good thought. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a good thought at all. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though it is. I think we're we're
Speaker 1: all we're all focusing on the offense. Yeah, but could
Speaker 1: the defense again, they've played through the winning streak and
Speaker 1: then the last week. I mean, it couldn't have gone
Speaker 1: any better for them last week the way they played
Speaker 1: Seattle defense, and they did they did, and we talk
Speaker 1: about a Woozier and then they had the one drive
Speaker 1: and the PI and stuff. That was a terrible call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you, But I'm just saying, though, when
Speaker 1: you when you're dealing with you know that was that
Speaker 1: was a game there where I'm looking at Hi, I'm
Speaker 1: going Mike, Gosh, your defense played well enough to win
Speaker 1: this that you had. You had a chance if you
Speaker 1: get that touchdown if Dak somehow gets the ball to Beasley,
Speaker 1: and then I think, if I'm Jason Garrett, I click
Speaker 1: over and say, guys, just you know, Rod, get me
Speaker 1: a stop here, Just get me a stop, you know,
Speaker 1: because you got to feel good about the way the defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they were gonna put the game in
Speaker 1: the defense's hands, that they got that score, then I
Speaker 1: think I think he might have won that football game.
Speaker 1: I wrote about it yesterday. The last time they lost,
Speaker 1: they lost a game allowing that few of yardage was
Speaker 1: like two thousand and five, where one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: six total yards. And that's the second time twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: They played Russell Wilson really tough too. Yeah, didn't allow much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've done a nice job of playing being disciplined against him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Rod's got a good plan against him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the and the the guys were rushing at the
Speaker 1: proper depth. They gave the Seahawks defensive line a lot
Speaker 1: of problems. You guys were tackling, you know, you guys
Speaker 1: were covering, covering on the outside. Biggest play they had
Speaker 1: and they're a chunk play team, was twenty yards, I believe,
Speaker 1: And that was after that was after I should have
Speaker 1: been a holding call on Taco. Tacco clearly beats ia
Speaker 1: Fetti to the to the around the corner official standing
Speaker 1: right there. You know, he gets the gets to pull
Speaker 1: down right, you know, and they don't get the call.
Speaker 1: Now again, that happens. You're not going to get every call.
Speaker 1: But that was the That was the biggest play they
Speaker 1: made in the game. And a funny thing on that
Speaker 1: play was Trey Aikman said, even though i Fetti turned
Speaker 1: around like he was surprised, he was expecting, but how
Speaker 1: obvious it was. I just wonder, I wonder if the
Speaker 1: if they go with the if they went with the
Speaker 1: young kids trainer's decision. I see, Okay, that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: I see your point. That was the influence on let's
Speaker 1: not give him the whole load. That's that's that's fair.
Speaker 1: But you're right, if they had had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do it right, sees, young kids have played really well
Speaker 1: because you wasted time with um well Anthony Brown was
Speaker 1: oh not Anthony Brown who started off and then he
Speaker 1: got hurt. Oh h Nolan Carroll and Carroll right, but see,
Speaker 1: Oozie would have beaten no out. I think Oozie would
Speaker 1: have beaten him out if he was healthy, Like right
Speaker 1: from the start. See, the thing was everybody was really
Speaker 1: high on I'm talking about everyone high. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: everybody on the opposite side of the building from us.
Speaker 1: They were Saint Brian watch Jordan Lewis, Watch Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: See to me, it seemed like Jordan Lewis was initially
Speaker 1: their candidate, that he was the guy that had the
Speaker 1: first round ability, that they were that they got the
Speaker 1: third round steal. Yeah, So I don't know if you
Speaker 1: look at the season, was it really the six games
Speaker 1: with Elliott. I think that was huge, no doubt, But
Speaker 1: we're could they've made some adjustments defensively from what we've
Speaker 1: seen right now to even help them even more. Injuries
Speaker 1: definitely prevented them from executing their plan with that too.
Speaker 1: But but do your point. I see your point about
Speaker 1: the young dbs. But Mickey, I agree with Mickey there
Speaker 1: in that they wanted to make sure when Chito came back,
Speaker 1: oh there's no questions, not a third, no question reaggravation
Speaker 1: and then he's done for the season when you don't
Speaker 1: see basically all his rookie year, right, So they want
Speaker 1: to be certain hundred ten percent when he came back,
Speaker 1: and he came back and played awfully. Well, you know
Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk about Okay, he gave up the touchdown. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love the kid. I mean he played hard and
Speaker 1: and and that call in the end zone was bs
Speaker 1: because if anything, you can call holding, the ball was
Speaker 1: not in the air, so you can't call interference. Right.
Speaker 1: How do those guys make mistakes like that? Officials? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's part of their job. I meant, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: part of the pre record, so you have to, Hey,
Speaker 1: come on, make mistakes. But no to me, I I
Speaker 1: just kind of I mean, you do the autopsy of
Speaker 1: the season. Where are you where are you looking at?
Speaker 1: What are you saying? Okay, this this should have been
Speaker 1: you know what could they have done differently? Okay? Here
Speaker 1: it is and this is and I think this is.
Speaker 1: This is the cork that fell through the bottle. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: that's a bad situa. That's a bad also. It'll also
Speaker 1: ruin an offense. The backup swing tackle. Yeah, totally failed
Speaker 1: on it. Now, I can't criticize him for thinking Chaz
Speaker 1: Green could do it because we saw him do it.
Speaker 1: That's that's a fair point. That's a fair point. But
Speaker 1: when he failed, there was no way Byron Bell was
Speaker 1: going to hang in there. And I heard you watching
Speaker 1: that tape yesterday. There were a lot of yelling going
Speaker 1: on over there. He single handedly caused three or four
Speaker 1: like critical plays in that game because he couldn't block
Speaker 1: the guy who couldn't stand in front of him and
Speaker 1: not get pushed back into the quarterback. Right. It was
Speaker 1: just awful. So we talk about Sean Lee, we talked
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Elliott, talk about not having Tyron Smith out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they survived one game without him, the Raiders all the
Speaker 1: rest of them they lost. Yeah. Yeah. In the past
Speaker 1: few years, who has been the best swing tackle? You
Speaker 1: think that this team has been able to kind of
Speaker 1: manage when Tyrn has been interr out because he's miss
Speaker 1: games last yeas well. Nikki's right though last year. But
Speaker 1: but then Jeremy Parnell who left to go to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: who I was watching Jacksonville and Seattle tape again, is
Speaker 1: he still starting? He still starting right tackle for Jacksonville
Speaker 1: shocks me. Yeah, But Jeremy Parnell was a guy that
Speaker 1: least you can but Jeremy Parnell played when Tyron Smith
Speaker 1: was not available. I mean, I want to say that
Speaker 1: Jeremy Parnell in a in a key game at Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: the game that Jerry Brown game. Jeremy Parnell had to
Speaker 1: play that game too. Well, it's not just the swing
Speaker 1: tackles situation, because offensive line in general. Well, yeah, because
Speaker 1: Chaz Green was your starting left guard going into the
Speaker 1: start of preseason, not just your swing tackle. So you
Speaker 1: can argue, all right, and he got hurt hurt, and
Speaker 1: did lack of reps focusing on guard affect him when
Speaker 1: he switched to tackle? Did he need more work that
Speaker 1: you just need to stay over there to start? But
Speaker 1: they wanted to get their best five starting on the
Speaker 1: Can I take that a little further? Was it a
Speaker 1: mis evaluation of taking reps making him play guard? Or
Speaker 1: was that the Brian broad us to get my best
Speaker 1: five out there. That's that's my question. I think it
Speaker 1: was the best five. Yeah, And they didn't have any
Speaker 1: confidence in Cooper, And you know, as it went around along,
Speaker 1: Cooper was okay, he wasn't. I don't know that they
Speaker 1: sink their teeth into him going forward. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you do. But you know he had his
Speaker 1: missteps too. What was Leary's final number on it? Five
Speaker 1: million a year? I was just gonna say, this is
Speaker 1: all run Leary's phone. No, no, no, I'm just at
Speaker 1: because shouldn't let him go? Was it a five year deal?
Speaker 1: Thirty some millions? So it's six million to season then,
Speaker 1: so they weren't gonna pay that. See, I'm siner thinking
Speaker 1: who could I have sacrificed to make sure I had
Speaker 1: Ron Larry play with? The fans are screaming right now,
Speaker 1: Terrence Williams, Terrence Williams. But this is that enough money
Speaker 1: to get? Is that enough money to get that done?
Speaker 1: Three years? Thirty six million? Yeah, with a three point
Speaker 1: five signing bonus, average salary of nine million, and he
Speaker 1: had eighteen million guarantee. An't do it? Don't get can
Speaker 1: do it? You extended Lyle Collins in training camp, and
Speaker 1: don't forget that this summer will have Martin. You're expecting that,
Speaker 1: You're you're very hopefully you're gonna get something done with
Speaker 1: with Martin too, So like, how much money do you
Speaker 1: want to spend five linemen? I don't know. Was the
Speaker 1: guard more of a problem than the swing tackle. You
Speaker 1: say it's a swing tackle. I say it's a swing tackle.
Speaker 1: But then they're next to each other. I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that, yeah, swing tackle. But where Chaz moonlighted? A
Speaker 1: guard influenced situation? Are we worried to try to fit
Speaker 1: him into two spots? Really left side? Are we worried
Speaker 1: about seventy seven going forward? I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: worried about him, but I think that you need and look,
Speaker 1: both of your tackles had problems this year with oh
Speaker 1: no health, right, yeah, yeah, so you need somebody yeah
Speaker 1: and not just anybody? Yeah, all right? And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you find that in free agency or if
Speaker 1: you you know, can find a to to find it
Speaker 1: in the draft. You got them draft high and they
Speaker 1: got too many other things. I think that if you
Speaker 1: had the shot to draft at say sixteen and draft, well,
Speaker 1: that's what you got in Zach Martin. Basically, would you
Speaker 1: take another first round offensive lineman? Know in the situation
Speaker 1: you're Mickey just told me I'm in dire straits, right,
Speaker 1: let me let me. You have to tell me what
Speaker 1: I'm passing up. I'm end okay, okay, I'm not you're
Speaker 1: gonna miss out on a linebacker, and you're gonna miss
Speaker 1: out on You're gonna miss out on a linebacker. You're
Speaker 1: gonna miss out on a receiver. I'll give you tho
Speaker 1: to cornerback. No, no, I'm taking that. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: it hard on him. Here. You're missing out on you're
Speaker 1: missing out on a linebacker, and you're missing out on
Speaker 1: a receiver. By draft time, are they resigning Anthony Hitchins? No,
Speaker 1: he's gone. And I gotta take a linebacker that might
Speaker 1: be your biggest need. Boy, did you just I mean
Speaker 1: you just and look for that guard and it's tackle
Speaker 1: and it's killing you right now, and yeah, it's killing it.
Speaker 1: See you could go out and maybe get maybe go
Speaker 1: get a guy, maybe the second best offensive tackle at sixteen.
Speaker 1: Maybe you get the second best guy. Yeah see. And
Speaker 1: I don't know because then can he play guard, because
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to start if I take him. That
Speaker 1: hire you go started like, yeah, Alaman Page, Yeah did
Speaker 1: it with those guys They started at guard and then
Speaker 1: moved out the tackle. Yeah, Scar see that's where that's
Speaker 1: where business real quick, Tano, you're gonna moving along with
Speaker 1: the show. I know, you're moving a show. Uh, but
Speaker 1: would you now with with next fall, next spring, would
Speaker 1: you start to work Zack Martin sum at tackle just
Speaker 1: to see with the idea of moving Collins to one
Speaker 1: of the guard spots if if you cannot, would you
Speaker 1: start to Yeah? I mean, I'm just saying, oh, would
Speaker 1: you would you do if something happens again to turn Smith?
Speaker 1: Would you consider moving Zach Martin from left from right
Speaker 1: guard to left tackle? He takes start seeing him get
Speaker 1: work reps? Doesn't he take some reps every camp? A
Speaker 1: little bit more center? Yeah, I'm thinking center. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: they've always had the thought that they could just move
Speaker 1: him there in a pinch anyway, because he's Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: He's Zach Martin. I'm trying to make a better swing
Speaker 1: tackle for Mickey, but if he's not gonna let me
Speaker 1: have Yeah, but he's not gonna let me draft one
Speaker 1: because he needs a linebacker and they do need a linebacker.
Speaker 1: Of Hitchens not there because you can't put all your
Speaker 1: eggs in Jalen Smith's basket. See that, And it's the
Speaker 1: same sentence, right, But it's also the same situation as Okay,
Speaker 1: you're worried about potentially Tyron's long term health. If you
Speaker 1: are worried Sean Lee missed how many games this year,
Speaker 1: it's it's Sean Lee, it's Jalen Smith. It's no Anthony Hitchens.
Speaker 1: Potential loss of Hitchens, that that makes linebacker potentially your
Speaker 1: biggest knee is yeah, because who else? Yeah, See, that's
Speaker 1: what people ask me, they go give me, give me
Speaker 1: your number one nee. I would say linebacker because of
Speaker 1: just just what Rob said. I really don't know. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett talked about, you know, he feels like the health
Speaker 1: of and everybody you talk to feels like Jalen Smith's
Speaker 1: on the way up, right, That's fine. Yeah, so he's
Speaker 1: on he say he's on the way up. And then
Speaker 1: you don't have Hitchens and the health of Sean Lee.
Speaker 1: And who's behind that. See that's what I'm saying. You're
Speaker 1: you're a You're in a tough spot right there at linebacker.
Speaker 1: Hitchens is a must. Hitchens is a must because if
Speaker 1: Sean Lee goes down, he can play that spot. Who
Speaker 1: We're gonna sacrifice, Mickey, We're gonna have to sacrifice, going
Speaker 1: to break right now? I'm sorry, Well, I'm sorry. Here's
Speaker 1: what you're about it. Here's what you aren't gonna do.
Speaker 1: And you know that it sounds really cute to move
Speaker 1: guys up from the practice squad to the fifty three.
Speaker 1: Put somebody on ir Well, guess what, I know. It's
Speaker 1: not a lot, but it's salary cap money. Oh sure
Speaker 1: it is, and you can carry that over to next year,
Speaker 1: right when you got to sign these guys. So let's
Speaker 1: not frivolously spend fourteen fifteen million dollars just to have
Speaker 1: a guy play one game. Yeah, well that is a
Speaker 1: lot of money for one game. Yes, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have one break and then we will be right back.
Speaker 1: We have much more to talk about, getting into the
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Speaker 1: We are still getting into everything this week. It's been
Speaker 1: very frustrating, but it's very interesting to see what sometimes
Speaker 1: these guys share on Twitter. M David Irving kind of
Speaker 1: having a little bit of a situation on Twitter right now.
Speaker 1: I don't have to read it. You guys can go
Speaker 1: find it if you want. But he's just talking about
Speaker 1: Cowboys personnel. I was with Cowboys personnel. Odd. But let's
Speaker 1: get to things that you say, what does that mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you say? There's a video that's out about him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He said, it's funny how people have
Speaker 1: a video of me the same night I was with
Speaker 1: Cowboy personnel, them saying you didn't see me here? If
Speaker 1: I was any less of the man, I am at
Speaker 1: least some names, Luckily for everyone involved. I'm not a
Speaker 1: snitch oh out on the town. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's that about We should just stay away from that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should stay away from Twitter. Yeah, they should stay away.
Speaker 1: David Irving. Though, Rob I saw you tweet today. I
Speaker 1: think it's the end of his season. Yeah, I am.
Speaker 1: You know, Jason Garrett said, if you're healthy, you'll play
Speaker 1: in this game. He hasn't played in three weeks. Um,
Speaker 1: he's not practicing to day. I got a hard time
Speaker 1: believing he's be out there. He's out, Okay, okay, Smith
Speaker 1: is out, all right, right, but you're in. You're in,
Speaker 1: sean Lee out. You give shan Lee this game playing
Speaker 1: through different things. Um, that's a good better not let
Speaker 1: him get on the plane. Yeah, because he'll be wearing
Speaker 1: his helmet and all of his pads and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to take Garrett to his word. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's I don't think is he on the injury report.
Speaker 1: He's been on the injury report. Any guy that's been
Speaker 1: on the injury report I wonder about because like Lyle Collins,
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchins, those guys have played, but they've been like
Speaker 1: dealing with stuff. And so for me, that's like the
Speaker 1: domino effect. Is Mickey's right, Tyrn's not gonna play in
Speaker 1: this game? Does Lyle Collins playing this game with a
Speaker 1: back issue that he's been dealing with for a month.
Speaker 1: But you're telling me that Dak's gonna play. So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna play Dak, you gotta be careful, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because then you go into the game with
Speaker 1: one backup offensive lineman or you gotta move somebody up
Speaker 1: onto the fifty three. Yeah, because you only got eight right, right,
Speaker 1: Well you got I'm trying to think about I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe Looney could play a couple of different spots for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that means Chaz Green and and Byron Bell or
Speaker 1: brighton tackle right saying, there's there's this gray area of yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the case Cooper Rush's playing. There's this gray
Speaker 1: area of yeah, you're kind of thought, so too, me
Speaker 1: get out there. But can you play? You know, can
Speaker 1: you can you really play if you absolutely need to?
Speaker 1: And I I would air on the side of caution
Speaker 1: with somebody like Lao Collins. Yeah, so how does that
Speaker 1: affect your backfield and your quarterback? See it? It's just
Speaker 1: it's just an interesting situation because I understand the thought
Speaker 1: from Jason like we're gonna work like we're this game
Speaker 1: matters and we're gonna approach it like any other week. Um,
Speaker 1: how much roster movement do you think we'll see besides
Speaker 1: of course the Justin Rant move we've already seen what
Speaker 1: other things aren't doable? Or the one guy that I'm
Speaker 1: hearing a lot of really positive things about is Lance Lenore,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver. Now I know that doesn't click on
Speaker 1: everybody's meter. But when they talk about practice squad guys,
Speaker 1: and this is where I'm you know, you worry about
Speaker 1: poaching and stuff. That's how the linebacker Johnson, that's what happened.
Speaker 1: They were gonna poach. Somebody was going to poach him
Speaker 1: off the team. And Justin Durant's not part of your plans.
Speaker 1: You know, you go to Justin Durant, you shake his
Speaker 1: hand and say, hey, thanks for all you've done for us,
Speaker 1: and you move on. I think Justin Durant I think
Speaker 1: he did Justin Durant a favor. You know, he's had
Speaker 1: a he's had a really nice career. But you know
Speaker 1: it's time. You know, you got to protect your players,
Speaker 1: especially the guy that you've worked with all year long.
Speaker 1: And but the name I've keep kind of hearing is
Speaker 1: is Lance Lenore. And he's the one guy that gets
Speaker 1: when they go when they go offensive snaps, he gets work.
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of those guys. And then also
Speaker 1: to White, the corner Marquez Quez White is another guy
Speaker 1: that gets a lot of work with the defense. Will
Speaker 1: they be on your forty six though game day? Well,
Speaker 1: how you bump them up? And that gives him a
Speaker 1: little bumping. Well, if Bryce Butler's not mean, Bryce Butler's
Speaker 1: been a scratch guy all week, you know he's out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean that. That's where I mean if you
Speaker 1: wanted to say, is there any rule about putting guys
Speaker 1: on I R like for the last game of the season,
Speaker 1: the Packers the Packers. Yeah, yeah, there's obviously no rules.
Speaker 1: If the Packers did what they did. It just depends
Speaker 1: on how much money you want to spend. And I
Speaker 1: know it's in the scheme of things for a salary cap.
Speaker 1: It's chump change if it's going to cost you another
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars per guy, right, But if it means
Speaker 1: keeping their rights, by the way, I think you can
Speaker 1: see they're gonna they're by the way. I heard today
Speaker 1: that they are. So they got an open spot on
Speaker 1: the practice squad, right they they were supposed to have
Speaker 1: signed Katie Cannon, the wide receiver from Baylor, right. I
Speaker 1: think he's been around, he's had some products, a lot
Speaker 1: of speed, with the idea of signing him as the
Speaker 1: futures for next year until the season ends. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: the season ends on Tuesday, then that's when you'll see
Speaker 1: all the futures they got all those contracts in the
Speaker 1: file right now, ready to rule. So yeah, but but
Speaker 1: the guy you mentioned, Lance Lenora's talking with Dak about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he says he's my guy. Yeah, he really likes him,
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting. Remember remember Lance Lenora was Will
Speaker 1: mcclay's guy. Yeah, remember coming, you know that that was
Speaker 1: a guy that really will kind of target it as, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get this guy in the OTAs and
Speaker 1: the mini camps and all that. We saw him work
Speaker 1: in training camp. He's been on your practice squad squad
Speaker 1: the entire year. But I was asking somebody about him
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, this is a guy that actually
Speaker 1: gets offensive snaps with and that's you know, when you're
Speaker 1: you're getting your game plans ready every week. So he
Speaker 1: was part of that, and that's that's because he had
Speaker 1: been a draft choice. Do you think he makes the
Speaker 1: fifty three instead of Noah Brown? Oh? I think? So
Speaker 1: what's your deal with Noah Brown? I just think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of hype about the guy. I state, I
Speaker 1: didn't say I hate him. I just think he's over
Speaker 1: SATs sports hate. Well, you're always you're always bagging on him.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, Well, what does he do? He blocks?
Speaker 1: Watch him have a game? What do you want? And
Speaker 1: every time he comes in, I hope every time he
Speaker 1: comes in, you might as well have a neon sign
Speaker 1: out there saying we're gonna r What do you want
Speaker 1: him to do? Mick? Would you like him to catch them?
Speaker 1: Be your number two receiver as a seventh round pick? Like?
Speaker 1: I think he's filled a nice little role for them
Speaker 1: as as a seventh round draft pick. But if he
Speaker 1: hadn't been a seventh round draft choice, I don't think
Speaker 1: he makes the team. Okay, I'll bet you he's on
Speaker 1: the team next year as Noah Brown. Yeah, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a robet pizza on it. There's gonna be room. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Lance Lenor might beat about Yeah, Lance,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here are some good things about Lance Lenor.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phone lines. We have Ray from
Speaker 1: New Orleans on the line. Ray, how you doing? Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: how are you doing doing good? Yeah? I was calling.
Speaker 1: Had a couple of questions, first and foremost disappoint that
Speaker 1: week seventeen, is got gonna do anything? Um? I hope
Speaker 1: we haven't had that since since two thousand and six
Speaker 1: and that's Romo got injured and those couple of years.
Speaker 1: But you, yes, sir, it's it's been. It's been one thing.
Speaker 1: It's been hard, man, because I grew up in the Alaay.
Speaker 1: We did win super Bowls and then we had a
Speaker 1: long dry stretch there with quarterbacks and um. But my
Speaker 1: question would be, I'm just I'm frustrated, but I'm trying
Speaker 1: to keep as calm as possible and still enjoy my holiday.
Speaker 1: So Thanksgiving Thanksgiving was hard for a Cowboys fan. We
Speaker 1: still had great food, great family, um, and we got
Speaker 1: through it. But but and then we went on our
Speaker 1: three game winning street and this team, Mickey is just
Speaker 1: it's frustrated because we're we don't suck. We are good
Speaker 1: enough to win those games. I just don't understand why
Speaker 1: we didn't play to our strings and run the football
Speaker 1: down there. And moving forward, if we do get a
Speaker 1: new avertic coordinator, is it gonna take time for dak See,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the fence there. I'm almost going
Speaker 1: to leave our coaches up intact because I don't want
Speaker 1: any further setbacks as far as learning a new system.
Speaker 1: But if we do get a new office coordinator. You know,
Speaker 1: if we do keep the only half, Now, what's your
Speaker 1: confidence level in the fact where if you do get
Speaker 1: into another playoffs position next year, are you going to
Speaker 1: stick to your guns and run the football and do
Speaker 1: what got you there? Okay? Ray, hey, can just stop
Speaker 1: stop right now. Now, let me let me ask you something. Okay.
Speaker 1: They practiced all week on a game plan for Seattle, right, okay.
Speaker 1: So do you think they got to the goal line
Speaker 1: and they just said, huh, let me grab something out
Speaker 1: of thin air? Or do you think that maybe when
Speaker 1: they came up with their goal line script, they said,
Speaker 1: this is the way to beat this team if we execute.
Speaker 1: Or do you think he just got there and said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to use zeke, let's let's throw the football.
Speaker 1: I mean it, I'll guarantee you it was. It was
Speaker 1: a coaching staff decision that this is our goal line
Speaker 1: game plan. So it wasn't something that just came up
Speaker 1: with the ball in the three yard line. That was
Speaker 1: the coaching staff plan. So I know, I know Lenahan's
Speaker 1: catching a whole lot of heat. Same guy that you
Speaker 1: know it could have been Offensive Coordinator of the Year
Speaker 1: last year, right with a rookie quarterback. So if you
Speaker 1: want to be mad, be mad at the fact that
Speaker 1: the offensive line the tight end doesn't pick up the
Speaker 1: guys that are blitzing. That screwed up the entire play.
Speaker 1: It was a touchdown. It was a walk in touchdown.
Speaker 1: Lots to be frustrated. Let me ask you this, nickey,
Speaker 1: would you would you have not rather? I did all that,
Speaker 1: And of course I said all those things because I
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to get rid of Scott Nahan.
Speaker 1: I just sounded like it charge from our other comments.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid also we get a new quoach that it's
Speaker 1: gonna take some time and it might be a further setback.
Speaker 1: I don't know. But let me ask you this question,
Speaker 1: since you asked me that, would you have rather line
Speaker 1: up and run zek three times in a row and
Speaker 1: take the chances there? Yes, but that wasn't for me
Speaker 1: to make the plan on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. All right,
Speaker 1: I understand that, and let me and then and the
Speaker 1: last thing I was going to tell you, Well, the
Speaker 1: other thing I told you was last year when we
Speaker 1: played Green Bay in the first first quarter, we go down,
Speaker 1: we have a third and one and that throws into
Speaker 1: double coverage. We hadn't done that Nicky all year. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't If it had worked, it would have been great,
Speaker 1: but we just didn't do that all year to get
Speaker 1: us there. You know, it was like in that no
Speaker 1: man's playing. I think it was like at the thirty
Speaker 1: three or thirty two. If you don't make it on
Speaker 1: third and one, just line back up and run it again.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. One we got away from that
Speaker 1: and moving forward when we get in these situations again,
Speaker 1: and Brian brought us hit on it perfectly. And I
Speaker 1: was hoping that somebody who's gonna say, yeah, just run
Speaker 1: the damn ball there. But look, we're gonna still be
Speaker 1: Callboy fans. I'm not going to stop calling the show.
Speaker 1: I'm just frustrated that our biggest weapon in the backfield
Speaker 1: didn't touched the ball there. All right, we got you,
Speaker 1: we got you, get it. But guess what, as much
Speaker 1: as much frustration as you have, what do you think
Speaker 1: those guys are They're frustrated. I think the team's frustrated.
Speaker 1: The players are frustrated. That's their job. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 1: some sort of lark for them. How do they find motivation?
Speaker 1: To go into this week and still want to be
Speaker 1: competitive is just because they have that competitive nature and
Speaker 1: that that will to play. And you've you've carried this
Speaker 1: this far. You know, you've been through all the training camp,
Speaker 1: extra hat, extra game because of the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: You know, it's been a long year, but the OTAs,
Speaker 1: the mini camps, and then you know through the season
Speaker 1: you've had the mini ups and downs. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't want to finish on a bad note. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys that you know there won't be
Speaker 1: teammates anymore, you know, the way these rosters turn over,
Speaker 1: the way you the addition subtraction. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: you want to go out on a good note. And
Speaker 1: if you're one of those guys that's going out, you
Speaker 1: know and maybe going to another team again. They talk
Speaker 1: about good tape bad tape. You don't want to be
Speaker 1: one of those things like, hey, let's watch how this
Speaker 1: guy played in a meaningless game. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: I think that's something I think Scott Linahan and you know,
Speaker 1: and and I understand ray in New Orleans because I
Speaker 1: was from the same boat of you know, I wish
Speaker 1: they would have turned and handed the ball to Elliott.
Speaker 1: I get that. I mean, I'm with him on that.
Speaker 1: Mickey's right on the execution of the play and in
Speaker 1: talking to the coaches and stuff. Though that was big
Speaker 1: they had. That play was there, they just didn't execute
Speaker 1: it well enough. And so that's the frustration level. When
Speaker 1: it works, it works, everybody's happy. When it doesn't, then
Speaker 1: the fingers get pointed. But I think overall, you know,
Speaker 1: you want to finish this season the best you can.
Speaker 1: I think it's pride. It is it, Tay you said it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's you look at the end of the
Speaker 1: season and say, we were nine and seven. We had
Speaker 1: a winning season despite a lot of stuff that happened
Speaker 1: and affected what you want to do. I think that matters,
Speaker 1: you know. I think it's wort into the owner in
Speaker 1: general manager. Yeah. I mean, I think when you sit
Speaker 1: down and watch that tape, you want to be able
Speaker 1: to say, hey, we can count on this guy or
Speaker 1: we can't count on this guy. That that goes a
Speaker 1: long way. There's there's clubs around the league right now
Speaker 1: that won't have coaches and that, and you know, this
Speaker 1: is one of those teams that will have their coaching
Speaker 1: staff in place. I don't think they'll do anything with Lenahan,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying some of their assistance might be going on.
Speaker 1: You know that that's you know that that could very
Speaker 1: well happen. But I think it's about like Rob says, pride.
Speaker 1: But I do struggle with a little bit the idea
Speaker 1: of playing if you're healthy, you play, and playing all
Speaker 1: your healthy guys, all your key guys, and risking injury
Speaker 1: late in the year. And I get the theory of like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna focus, we're gonna practice hard, we're gonna finish strong,
Speaker 1: but there's ultimately nothing on the line, and the end
Speaker 1: of preseason, you do this, you sit guys and it
Speaker 1: doesn't affect their work week leading up. They still have
Speaker 1: good practices, finished training camp strong. It's not like they're
Speaker 1: they're taking that time off. So I don't, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with the theory that
Speaker 1: you can't you're just throwing the rest of the season
Speaker 1: away by resting guys. I think there's some value in
Speaker 1: protecting guys, especially anybody that's high. But what about what
Speaker 1: happens to the guys that have to play? What are
Speaker 1: you telling them? What are you telling them? At the
Speaker 1: end of preseason. Well they don't, but they're not. It's
Speaker 1: a preseason game. What Travis Frederick's got to play? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if he doesn't have his guys next to him,
Speaker 1: what's what does he feel like? They don't care if
Speaker 1: I get hurt. Somebody's got to play. You don't have
Speaker 1: enough backups to put everybody out there. But there there's
Speaker 1: to a point in time where it has been a
Speaker 1: long year and I would hate for Zach Martin or
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick or one of those guys that get rolled
Speaker 1: up on Yeah, in a freak injury. Right, I got
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the entire game. At some point
Speaker 1: do you pull So, I'm kay, at some point, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If you if you throw that down now,
Speaker 1: no one's prepared to play on Sunday, right, No one
Speaker 1: is going to give it. This is a This is
Speaker 1: one of the most difficult situation for a coaching staff
Speaker 1: and players to be in because again, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of young guys that are excited about getting the opportunity,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of coaches and general managers and
Speaker 1: scouts that are terrified. They're every play. And I've been
Speaker 1: there get up, Get up. Okay, get up, and you
Speaker 1: do it like sixty five times. Get up. It is,
Speaker 1: it is. It is the most stressful game you You know,
Speaker 1: you could live with it. If it was for something,
Speaker 1: you could live with it. But if all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: then you know, there's a freak and it might not
Speaker 1: be Travis Frederick's fault, or it might not be Zach
Speaker 1: Martin's fault. It might be one of their bad players
Speaker 1: getting shoved into or something like that. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: ironic that we had this exact same discussion last year
Speaker 1: going up to Philly, except it was about a team
Speaker 1: that's twelve and three, thirteen and two. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: you gotta get them ready for the playoff. It's absolutely right,
Speaker 1: and it is. This is a terrible This is a
Speaker 1: terrible thing to deal with when you're not playing for something,
Speaker 1: because there's there there's two ways to do it. Either
Speaker 1: do the Jason Garrett approach and say we're gonna go
Speaker 1: play and if you're healthy, go play. And I get
Speaker 1: he's trying to set a culture, I mean not in culture.
Speaker 1: He's this will be was a seventh season as a
Speaker 1: head coach, so he's got his culture but he's trying
Speaker 1: to make it like, guys, we're not gonna go and
Speaker 1: you know, lay down. Now he's gonna he's gonna take
Speaker 1: guys out of the game that need to be taken
Speaker 1: out of the game. But man, I would feel terrible
Speaker 1: if something happened to Dak or Zeke or Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: or Zach Martin or Sean Lee. I would feel terrible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel terrible because I don't want it to be
Speaker 1: a deal with Okay, now you're going into the two
Speaker 1: thousand and eighteen season with well, how so and so's
Speaker 1: you know how you know, you just it's a balancing
Speaker 1: act for sure. How do you think Philadelphia is gonna
Speaker 1: play it? I don't think they're gonna play their starters.
Speaker 1: If it was me, most teams in this position don't
Speaker 1: do that. They didn't do it here. But you said,
Speaker 1: I think he made up a point about Nick Foles
Speaker 1: and he needs to work because he looked like a
Speaker 1: bag of you know what the other day. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so if he plays, your offensive lines got to play,
Speaker 1: sure they do. Bowboys can't rest their entire offensive line.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't need do they have offensive linemen on the
Speaker 1: practice squad. Yeah, they do. Anybody can play center. Edwards
Speaker 1: is on the PROCCT. Yeah, but no, no, though they don't.
Speaker 1: Joe Looney's your practice squads. Well, you I have a guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what happens is you could you could take Zach
Speaker 1: Martin out and put Joe Looney in there and then
Speaker 1: turn around and then put you know, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's a balancing act. It's there's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. You only have forty six and if those
Speaker 1: guys aren't playing, I'm not playing back Yanks. That's That's
Speaker 1: what I go back to with the tackles, I tires
Speaker 1: not playing and if Lyle's less than one hundred percent, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a risk. It is. And then how are
Speaker 1: you evaluating Cooper Rush? Though at the same time, if
Speaker 1: you want to put him in not fair. So Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush to me, I don't worry about it. You got
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Speaker 1: is really good. Before we get to the long awaited
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush talk that we are dying to hear, we
Speaker 1: have Rob's Twitter pool that touches on something we've all
Speaker 1: been talking about. But at least we get the fans
Speaker 1: vote in this. So Rob, take it away, which game
Speaker 1: would you like to have back? Of these seven losses
Speaker 1: this team has? We are over that before. Well, we're
Speaker 1: getting man's vote, Mick, because they matter too many games?
Speaker 1: Did you give them a choice of four? That's how
Speaker 1: you get the options are and right EN's welcome. We
Speaker 1: got a bunch of those. The Rams in week four,
Speaker 1: the Packers in week five, the Falcons in week ten,
Speaker 1: we're the Seahawks on Christmas Eve. This is the closest
Speaker 1: vote I think we've ever had. Tay, everyone's gonna with Seahawks.
Speaker 1: I bet what you got you change your noled your
Speaker 1: mind after Christmas Eve. Nope, Rams, yep, I'm still going Falcons.
Speaker 1: Go Falcons. Yeah, Falcons here, I would say falcons too.
Speaker 1: The fans barely picked the Seahawks fresh in their mind
Speaker 1: twenty seven percent, Rams twenty six percent, Packers twenty four percent,
Speaker 1: Falcons twenty three percent. So I guess they all are bad.
Speaker 1: Voice of the people here, that's what I call you.
Speaker 1: Until you start just imma getting in fight for them,
Speaker 1: call you vop. So wait, okay, this was like a
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty five, twenty one percentage point. Gosh, really,
Speaker 1: I mean, guy, because all of them, I mean the
Speaker 1: Packers and Rams you pick you can fight for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one player two there, falcons. If you change the Chaz
Speaker 1: Green situation, you give him some help, maybe that game
Speaker 1: goes totally differently. Yeah, first game without Zeke and then
Speaker 1: this last one. I mean, gosh, it's like one player
Speaker 1: play here or there. But guess what you had a
Speaker 1: full boat against the Rams. Nobody was missing you lost?
Speaker 1: That was it? Sean Lee? No, yeah, he was out
Speaker 1: against the Rams and Packers. Oh, that's right, it was
Speaker 1: Rams full boatboard. I was thinking further into this. It
Speaker 1: was earlier in the season, I think in the Broncos
Speaker 1: game where everyone the Rams were coming off a loss
Speaker 1: to the Redskins. If I remember, it's true, and you
Speaker 1: had them down seven team to six. I'm surprised nobody
Speaker 1: picked the Charger one. I thought about that. That was
Speaker 1: a four and six team coming in here, but they were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but look where they're at now. Yeah, but they've got
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers. Yeah, yeah, No, it was a four and
Speaker 1: sixteen the Rams. At least the Rams were playing better,
Speaker 1: but didn't hadn't they just won like four straight or something?
Speaker 1: Oh they Yeah, they beaten beaten Buffalo or something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy to me that. Again, I
Speaker 1: respect Philip Rivers, but gosh, five hundred yards it made
Speaker 1: you switch your defensive second or out really come but
Speaker 1: see you weren't. But you weren't even close in that game.
Speaker 1: You didn't even have a chance to. Was that halftime
Speaker 1: that was that bad? Well, yeah, Benny sure got away
Speaker 1: from him. They got the ball in the second I
Speaker 1: remember Lindsay we were on the break when the halftime show,
Speaker 1: and Lindsay goes and the Chargers get the ball, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, and the Chargers are gonna score when they
Speaker 1: get the ball second half, you know, remember seventeen six
Speaker 1: and getting the ball. Okay, I'm gonna change that up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Okay, So you said the Rams the Packers,
Speaker 1: and then I'll Seattle. Okay, yeah, okay, Mickey, Yes, start
Speaker 1: with you first. Because if you could choose one player
Speaker 1: to have a better game, and you can, you can
Speaker 1: say it for that one. In this Rams game, it
Speaker 1: would have been Ryan Switzer. In the Falcons game, it
Speaker 1: would have been Chas Green in the Packers game. Let's
Speaker 1: take the opposite had a worst game, Aaron Rodgers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Seattle des Bryant has a better game. Who
Speaker 1: do you want to pick out of that? All Switzer
Speaker 1: had to do was all you had to do was
Speaker 1: catch the punt. Switzer, all you had to do is
Speaker 1: call fair catch and catch the punt. Yeah, they we're
Speaker 1: gonna go down and they we're gonna be up twenty
Speaker 1: four to six. Well that's that's a really good question. Well,
Speaker 1: because I was asking in the sense, you know, because
Speaker 1: he's right. You know the Rams game, they were in it,
Speaker 1: and it really came down to a rookie, a rookie
Speaker 1: that you spent a high pick on. So I get
Speaker 1: you got to put him in there, and he'd shown
Speaker 1: you that he could do it, and then it came
Speaker 1: down to a rookie. Work on the opposite of last year.
Speaker 1: It came down on a rookie and a post. You
Speaker 1: guys thinking then, because we said the Atlanta game, are
Speaker 1: you thinking though? Minus Lee, minus Smith, minus who else
Speaker 1: I'm missing? I'm missing three guys in that one, right, Smith, Lee,
Speaker 1: Zeke and Zeke. There was no way that we're gonna
Speaker 1: win that game. Falcons. Yeah, I just felt like if
Speaker 1: you had made a change quicker, like at halftime with
Speaker 1: Chazz and it was it tend to say what were
Speaker 1: you going to put in? Things might have been different, Bill,
Speaker 1: but he and he gave up two sacks in one quarter. Oh,
Speaker 1: you needed to change something at some point, you had
Speaker 1: to do something. See, I'm asking because maybe the Falcon
Speaker 1: game was not a winnable game. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was as it turned out, well, okay, but then can
Speaker 1: you Okay, maybe not under that. Under under her scenario,
Speaker 1: I need Aaron Rodgers to be not good, I mean,
Speaker 1: and is that possible? Well though that's a thing she said,
Speaker 1: she's got no control over that. But that's I'm just
Speaker 1: what do you have control of her vice versa your
Speaker 1: own players, not somebody else's. No, I'm just saying to
Speaker 1: her question, she's saying, who do you need to be better?
Speaker 1: And then in that but she flipped it where he said,
Speaker 1: who do you need to be worse? All I needed
Speaker 1: is one punt cut? I mean, yeah, okay, you're Garrett Key.
Speaker 1: And something that happened really early in that game, like
Speaker 1: wid that entire game. It changed the whole changed the
Speaker 1: minimal season for him. They scored, They couldn't stop, girly,
Speaker 1: they they scored right right, and and then what happened.
Speaker 1: They took the first the first was at the first
Speaker 1: possession of the second half, and scored again, and suddenly
Speaker 1: seventeen six was twenty one seventeen. Yeah, but by the way,
Speaker 1: you recaptured the lead in the second half too. But
Speaker 1: see you, but you're thinking that Dallas is going to
Speaker 1: score again. They wouldn't even come close to stop at
Speaker 1: him those first three possessions. See, you're usually like the
Speaker 1: guy that's like, oh, you can't say that you're that guy.
Speaker 1: Yes you are, you're that guy. You can't say that.
Speaker 1: You can't say that about that. They were going to
Speaker 1: go down and score again. Rams had no clue. He
Speaker 1: had it in a vision. Let's go back to the
Speaker 1: phone lines. Hopefully people are happy, but we understand the
Speaker 1: venting Roscoe from Midland, Texas on the line. What is
Speaker 1: your question, Mickey? Can you talk about the cap or
Speaker 1: the contract with das looking ahead over the cap if
Speaker 1: he's a post June one cut, there's eight million dollars
Speaker 1: in dead money and maybe twenty five million that he's
Speaker 1: saying that you saved. And my question is do you
Speaker 1: add up to eighteen and nineteen years for the cap
Speaker 1: or how does that work? But basically, can you talk
Speaker 1: about the implications of cutting or trading days with his money?
Speaker 1: Would it be detrimental or save or what can I
Speaker 1: ask you? Hashway way will stop you there? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you've had enough of him? Then it's that what you're saying, Well,
Speaker 1: he can't catch the ball and he's he's ten percent
Speaker 1: of the cap, and you know, I understand that eighty
Speaker 1: eight is a big part of the of the scene,
Speaker 1: but it's not working. You know, it's not working. So
Speaker 1: so I mean, that's it. You're you're just completely you're
Speaker 1: you're willing to take a big cap hit and make
Speaker 1: receiver one of your top two priorities now offseason. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it's gotta be. We all seen it Sunday. He's
Speaker 1: not catching the ball, the ball sitting him in the face,
Speaker 1: he's not holding on to the ball. That's an expensive problem.
Speaker 1: You know. I like him, but it's what goods they do,
Speaker 1: and it's he's heard. It doesn't even seem like he
Speaker 1: gets double covered. I don't get to see it like
Speaker 1: you guys do, but it seems like the double coverage
Speaker 1: is almost stopped, you know. But it's the problem. They're
Speaker 1: still done got to happen. They're still doubling him, by
Speaker 1: the way. It doesn't And I don't know if people
Speaker 1: understand double coverage. It's not like basketball put two guys
Speaker 1: on one. That's safety still slurking, edging. I mean, somebody
Speaker 1: thinks he still can do it, so, um, I just
Speaker 1: would be careful of that. I've got to that, yeah,
Speaker 1: post June. I want to say post June one split
Speaker 1: it right, it would be four and four. I think
Speaker 1: there's eight million left in his signing bonus that has
Speaker 1: to be accounted for and the base salaries or twelve
Speaker 1: and a half million. Um, Yeah, you saved the twelve
Speaker 1: and a half million. And to answer your point a trade,
Speaker 1: you lose eight. You lose eight, right, and you got
Speaker 1: to replace it. There you go. I knew that was
Speaker 1: gonna come do. No, that's that's the point, right there
Speaker 1: is that all of a sudden, now you need a
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver. And this is not a franchise
Speaker 1: that spends big money in free agency on one. It
Speaker 1: would be very expensive to try to do that, yep,
Speaker 1: and they're usually not available. So are you going to
Speaker 1: spend the number whatever seventeen pick on a wide receiver
Speaker 1: when you need a lot of help elsewhere? I just
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I need to go back and
Speaker 1: look at all the all the first round receivers that
Speaker 1: have been draft and look at how productive or lack
Speaker 1: of productive, or how quickly they produced, how quickly they produced.
Speaker 1: I mean's not sure, Buddy's not Julio Jones, Yeah, Shuster's
Speaker 1: doing a great shot. Smith Schuster's doing a great job
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. I think he was a third round pick. Okay,
Speaker 1: Swan dread. What was the first round pick? Josh Duckson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Josh Duckson's another question at seventeen, I believe. What do
Speaker 1: you think happened to Dez this year? Quarterback? No, because
Speaker 1: at the last seven games last year, if you factored
Speaker 1: out his numbers over an entire season, he would have
Speaker 1: had like eighty some catches for over a thousand yards
Speaker 1: and fourteen touches. It was enough to get him in
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl as an alternate. So what happened? No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm asking, I'm asking this question. Was it the
Speaker 1: quarterback in a way that didn't play as well as
Speaker 1: they does? He does? He does? He miss? Does he miss?
Speaker 1: Does he did? He have such a great rapport with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo that it's hard, but they'd had it at
Speaker 1: the end of the year last year. Was Dak protected him?
Speaker 1: Was the past good last year those last seven games
Speaker 1: after he got healthy? Confidence Mickey? Would it be the
Speaker 1: past protection? Well, I think some of that has to
Speaker 1: do with it, But I don't you know that whole
Speaker 1: thing about that premise that they're not on the same page. Well,
Speaker 1: how did they fall off the same page? Because if
Speaker 1: you look at the final game of the year last year,
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, he was the All Star. He was
Speaker 1: what kept him in the game, right, And so now
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're not on the same page.
Speaker 1: That page got ripped out of the book something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. But you are seeing it though. I see it, okay,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't understand it. Yeah, you have
Speaker 1: fishing the poet. Yeah, no, I don't. He's always been
Speaker 1: able to catch the ball, and now all of a
Speaker 1: sudden it's bouncing off his hands, not seeing it. I
Speaker 1: don't get it. Does he need glasses? We need to
Speaker 1: take him doctor tylock or whatever that deal is. Is
Speaker 1: this guy still around? I don't know. At the ticket Mickey,
Speaker 1: that's what it's all the named it came to Bye bye,
Speaker 1: doctor Carter. I just feel like Dak couldn't couldn't get
Speaker 1: the passes to him that he was getting last season.
Speaker 1: And I say that because I felt like Dak was
Speaker 1: scrambling so much more than we've ever seen him before.
Speaker 1: The pass protection was wasn't there this year, and a
Speaker 1: lot to do with your swim tackle a lot to do.
Speaker 1: And I think I think one of the things that
Speaker 1: happens with Dez is when things don't go well, he
Speaker 1: doesn't relax. He presses it, compounds, tries to try too
Speaker 1: much like like the ball they bounced off his hands.
Speaker 1: It was a very simple route to go sit down
Speaker 1: and Dez throw it to a sitting down Dez. But
Speaker 1: in the midst of the throw, he took another step
Speaker 1: rowing forward, and now the balls behind he came at.
Speaker 1: He came at Dak instead of staying where he was.
Speaker 1: It's absolutely right. The thing about it too, Remember the
Speaker 1: slant early in the game that he had to extend
Speaker 1: for right and they didn't hit that. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: that's his bread and butter. And you know we've had
Speaker 1: I mean, everything going inside is usually money with him,
Speaker 1: and we've seen well, you think they're pressing on both
Speaker 1: both sides. I think Dak's pressing a little bit to
Speaker 1: try to get him, get him a good pass, get
Speaker 1: him in the right spot, because they both know that
Speaker 1: it has the chemistry has been off. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not sure. I don't I don't get I
Speaker 1: thought only on both guy. I think the guy wouldn't
Speaker 1: admit it. I think he's a little banged up though too.
Speaker 1: I do. But that's and I've been I've been yelled
Speaker 1: at for saying that, but I'd like the fumble. He's
Speaker 1: trying too hard. Yeah, he was trying to make more
Speaker 1: out of Okay, I caught the pass, get out of bounce.
Speaker 1: What game did he get injured in? I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: interrupted Mickey. If you're still going no, what game? Remember
Speaker 1: the game? Both him and Terrence. I want to say
Speaker 1: it might be the Chiefs game. Terrence had a great
Speaker 1: game against the Chiefs. Not somebody at the very end
Speaker 1: of the game was injured. It Terence got hurt bad
Speaker 1: in that game, does as well. Yeah it was it
Speaker 1: was tough. But I just I don't know. Mickey's onto
Speaker 1: something as far as there's not something right with you know.
Speaker 1: And again the quarterback after the game says, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: I have to throw it at their face. You know
Speaker 1: you could sense frustration there as well. You know, you
Speaker 1: could definitely sense some frustration. I've well, and Dak does
Speaker 1: a pretty good job of covering up sure other people's mistakes. Sure,
Speaker 1: I know he caught himself when He said that because
Speaker 1: he ended up with if I threw it at his face,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have dropped it right, And he has never
Speaker 1: said anybody's ever dropped it before. Yeah, And I saw
Speaker 1: him pause like did I just say that? Ye? Did
Speaker 1: I slid? Yeah, Well it got him in both hands,
Speaker 1: so I know. Well, here we are. Here, we are
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, and we're wrapping up today's show. But
Speaker 1: tomorrow we'll have optimistic talk for you guys. I hope
Speaker 1: we'll have practice tape that we can talk about or
Speaker 1: something like that. So we'll be back tomorrow. Stay Jay.
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