WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Are Changes Coming? 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:08.039 This is Talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:17.279 Com and the official Dallas Cowboys as Boy No. Your 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.800 hosts Mickey Spagnola, Brian broad Us, Taylor Stern, and Rob 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:27.560 Phillips welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. It is 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:31.000 Wednesday here at the Star, and a lot of people 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:32.800 are asking what day of the week is it, because 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.760 it's that weird time of the year between Christmas and 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:38.559 Year Zeve. A lot of people are off. Hopefully you 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:40.479 guys are still listening to us, even when you're just 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.440 sitting there with your family. Take a break, take take 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:46.200 a listen to us as we bring some positive news 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.839 after a sad Cowboys loss on Christmas Eve. But we 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.120 still have work this week and we still have the 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.680 Eagles on Sunday at noon. So how's everyone doing ready 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.240 for that weather? Yeah, I'm good. We're getting ready ready 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.880 for it right now. Yeah forever, it's quite the same, Yeah, 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.160 no different low of nine, Brian. So people get awoke 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.759 off between Christmas and New Year's Yeah, if you if 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:11.040 you drive along the highways, you can tell that when 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.720 when When does the last time that's happened to any 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.880 of us? I bet rob high school when I didn't 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.320 work here for three years. Yeah, they get you the 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.120 whole week. Taylor. Taylor getting ready for bowl games, national 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.400 championship games. I've never had time off ere. I would 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.240 say high school because even when I was in college, 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.000 and you still get the break. I would leave on 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.200 Christmas Day and go to Miami or Pasadena or Nice 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.479 and a lot of places use us. Yeah, she did 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.080 a lot of places that young life. Kind of a 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.119 big deal. Kind of a big deal. So low of nine, 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.000 low of nine, So it's not quite the same here. No, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.640 that's gonna be difficult. They gonna have to fight. I 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.560 lived in the Low of nine for about five years. 0:01:49.680 --> 0:01:53.320 Let's you come with us. Yeah, we're downtown. Found out 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.400 so sweet. If you took my spot pregame, you're just 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.600 stand on the box and stand above. You could host. Yeah, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.120 I'd love that. You guys will all be the same height. Yeah, 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.040 it'd be cool. Yeah, all the same height. That's important. 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.040 It is important. Yeah, TV TV, we need you on 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.280 the trip, Tay, we do. I can't believe they're outside 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:18.359 practicing right now. No, they need to practice outside. They 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.440 need to play football. Used to it. No, you know 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:22.600 what though the coach is set. I know you're probably 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.760 gonna get into this, Tay, but listen to the head 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.560 coach talk. He's gonna go try and win a football game. 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:30.000 He should because you have to have a winning season, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.200 because if you don't, you're gonna sit there at eight 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:34.239 and eight for the rest of the off season. Yeah, 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.440 knowing that you're super Bowl hopes and dreams at the 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.680 start of the season long gone. Well, maybe some of 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:44.840 it not at their own doing. You know, what do 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.840 you mean the whole thing with the suspension with Elliott 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:51.240 you figure, you know, Mickey, we were trying to talk 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.720 about how many more games would it mean? It mean one, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.720 two more games, you know, maybe a little bit different, 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.000 maybe not being three and three, maybe being four and two. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:00.880 A couple of things your way. In a couple of 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.040 losses they had all of a sudden, you're looking at 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.760 ten eleven wins. I just think, you know, that's the 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:09.000 thing about what happens is that it's amazing to me 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.400 and I've I've accused the fans of this waiting with 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.600 pitchforks and torches at the gates ready to storm. I 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.919 liked your tweet this morning after that you know, I 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.040 missed it. What was it? Yeah? Just what he said? 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:25.280 Oh okay, yeah yeah, pitchforks and torches, you know. And 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.840 and it's amazing, you know, and Nicky likes to use 0:03:27.880 --> 0:03:29.600 the line. Well, they hadn't. They didn't get this dumb 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.040 just overnight. And and you know, talk about the players. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.640 You talk about Prescott, sure, I mean he saved your rear. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.080 The start the season had really kind of an off middle, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:43.080 didn't have the running back. The offense is built around 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.840 Elliott the way it is, you know, And we didn't 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.320 consider a sophomore sump for a dack. I don't you know. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.320 I didn't. I was one of these guys, and I 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.160 don't know about anybody else. I think you guys were 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.600 pretty consistent about this when we're coming out of Oxnard, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.920 that there wouldn't be a slump because of the weapons 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:01.200 around him. But did the weapon around him help him 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.480 this year? You know, Mickey talks about the offensive line. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.200 Was it really one of the best offensive lines? No? 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.440 You know, was their lack of the running game? Yeah? 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.800 For six weeks there really was, I mean that that 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.440 dynamic player to run the football. Remember after DeMarco Murray 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.600 left and it was the twenty fifteen season. It was 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:21.760 the four and twelfth season ever, and said, well, they've 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.880 got they've got the old line. They can place, plug 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:27.640 and play anything in there, and then it feels almost 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.080 very similar with this year, except vice versa. It was like, well, 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.240 they have the running back, they can almost plug anyone 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:35.160 in there on that old line, right, and it will 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:37.360 kind of be the same. And it was not. It's 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.680 a threat. They were able to run the ball. The 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:46.120 threat that Elliott presents is difficult to deal with if 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.600 you're an opponent, and we saw that the other day 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.920 with Seattle to a point and then all of a sudden, 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.640 then you got behind in the game and now you 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.360 had to start throwing the football to try and get 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.440 back in it. I really look at the season in 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:02.159 like three different chunk. We talked about the first month 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.360 of the season where they played some really good fronts 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.640 defensive right that they struggled with and you could say 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.400 the offensive line didn't play up to their standard. They 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.000 were really challenged in those games. And then you start 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.560 looking at Green Bay, San Francisco, Washington, Kansas City, when 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.719 they got things rolling up front, they got things rolling 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.160 with the running game, Dak. Let's not forget Dak was 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.520 terrific there in that stretch, and all of a sudden 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:26.520 it looked like this team's a contender again. They started 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.559 looking like the offense that we were accustomed to lasting. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:35.240 And then the court stepped in exactly and well, both 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.080 this and Sean Lee hurt too. You're right. Day it 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:39.560 was like it was like being on that ride in 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:44.040 the fair the bottom falls out. Yeah, well stick to 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.600 the wall and you keep spinning. Yes, that was kind 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.440 of the perfect storm. And then they went through that 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.560 lull where they didn't adapt well or maybe it's just 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.559 a reality without without those guys got it turned around 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.280 and then looked they lost. They lost a difficult game 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.039 the other day. Zeke Back thought he played well, there 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.520 were some things you talked about in blitz protection. Okay, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.240 maybe that's some rust. Yeah, it's not all on him. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:09.080 But they just they just beat themselves. They turned the 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.400 ball over too much the other day and it cost them. 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.640 But have they been perfect offensively with all their pieces. No, 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:17.480 but it's never a perfect season as it is. This 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.320 is silly, so bear with me on this question. But 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.640 if you could go back, you know, we talk a 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.840 lot about losses. You could get back and forth, and 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.360 it is what it is with the ezy gilia suspension. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.240 He missed the games he missed, and we are where 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.960 we're at. But would you have rather him, knowing what 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.000 you just said, how this team kind of got on 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.760 the role, would you have rather him do that sixth 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.560 game suspension right away? Get it done? I think what 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.120 game would you have come back for? It would have 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.240 been the October twenty ninth game, I believe San Francisco 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.760 y San Francisco or Washington on the road. San Francisco 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:50.640 was the seventh game. He would have been back at Washington. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.480 At Washington. Yeah, so say he's back there, and then 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.840 the rest of the season, I mean, you go on 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.919 a run hopefully or at least you've figured out different things. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.080 What do you think? That's a great question. They went 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.279 what four and two during that six game stretch? Yeah 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:11.760 with him? Okay, so they went three and three without him. Yeah, 0:07:11.840 --> 0:07:15.280 it's one game difference, right game difference? Yeah? Where yet 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:19.080 right now? One game outlay, one game off. I don't 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:24.160 know if there's any guarantees. Yeah, it's look at our 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.880 question if you want to look at itselfish, But you 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.360 got to look at it from his standpoint. Yeah, Oh no, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.880 I agree. I'm not I'm not saying anything about him. 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:34.360 I'm just saying, you know, timing of the season is 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.400 so can I can I interject and maybe it? Can 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:41.480 I interject another thought? Were they too late to adjust 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.600 to the young defensive backs, adjusting which sense play the 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.280 young defensive backs? Or I mean, I know a Woozier 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.880 was trying to practice, actually missed a couple of games 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.400 while he was got hurt in Denver, right, and then 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.840 actually got hurt in Green Bay, and then got hurt 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.760 again in Green Bay, got hurt again Bay. Yeah, But 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.559 but were they could they when he was coming back? 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.640 Were they? Were they? Should they have? Should they have 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.800 made a switch? Should they have thought about a different 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:13.239 plan of attack? Again, I'm just asking because it looks 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:16.880 like with that switch, or with the secondary switch with 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.680 Shaun Lee, with Hitchens, they've kind of found them. They 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.360 found themselves defensively a little bit. But remember they had 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.200 brought him back twice. The Green Bay game he got 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.560 and it failed, right, And so when they brought him 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.720 back the third time, it was like, let's not give 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.640 him a heavy load. It wasn't going to corner, so 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.680 he played two games of special teams before he took 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.120 over at left. See, that's what I'm saying, though he 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.520 was he was actually available. I want to say before 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:49.480 they they put him out there at Washington. You know that. 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.880 That's That's all I'm saying. Should they have made the 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:56.240 switch a little earlier. It's a good thought. I mean, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.199 I don't know if it's a good thought at all. No, No, 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.760 I'm just saying, though it is. I think we're we're 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:04.360 all we're all focusing on the offense. Yeah, but could 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.839 the defense again, they've played through the winning streak and 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.960 then the last week. I mean, it couldn't have gone 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:13.760 any better for them last week the way they played 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:17.640 Seattle defense, and they did they did, and we talk 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:19.839 about a Woozier and then they had the one drive 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.200 and the PI and stuff. That was a terrible call. Yeah, 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:25.920 I'm I'm with you, But I'm just saying, though, when 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.640 you when you're dealing with you know that was that 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.679 was a game there where I'm looking at Hi, I'm 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.840 going Mike, Gosh, your defense played well enough to win 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:35.839 this that you had. You had a chance if you 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.440 get that touchdown if Dak somehow gets the ball to Beasley, 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:41.560 and then I think, if I'm Jason Garrett, I click 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:43.920 over and say, guys, just you know, Rod, get me 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.160 a stop here, Just get me a stop, you know, 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.600 because you got to feel good about the way the defense. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.079 I mean, if they were gonna put the game in 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.839 the defense's hands, that they got that score, then I 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.880 think I think he might have won that football game. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.120 I wrote about it yesterday. The last time they lost, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.240 they lost a game allowing that few of yardage was 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.200 like two thousand and five, where one hundred and thirty 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.040 six total yards. And that's the second time twenty fourteen. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:11.400 They played Russell Wilson really tough too. Yeah, didn't allow much. Yeah, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.839 they've done a nice job of playing being disciplined against him. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.199 And yeah, Rod's got a good plan against him. Yeah, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.120 and the and the the guys were rushing at the 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.520 proper depth. They gave the Seahawks defensive line a lot 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.200 of problems. You guys were tackling, you know, you guys 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:27.959 were covering, covering on the outside. Biggest play they had 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.600 and they're a chunk play team, was twenty yards, I believe, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.199 And that was after that was after I should have 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:37.760 been a holding call on Taco. Tacco clearly beats ia 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.760 Fetti to the to the around the corner official standing 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:43.120 right there. You know, he gets the gets to pull 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.319 down right, you know, and they don't get the call. 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.880 Now again, that happens. You're not going to get every call. 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:50.480 But that was the That was the biggest play they 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:51.880 made in the game. And a funny thing on that 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:55.240 play was Trey Aikman said, even though i Fetti turned 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:00.520 around like he was surprised, he was expecting, but how 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.160 obvious it was. I just wonder, I wonder if the 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.160 if they go with the if they went with the 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:11.240 young kids trainer's decision. I see, Okay, that's that's fair. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.920 I see your point. That was the influence on let's 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.640 not give him the whole load. That's that's that's fair. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.480 But you're right, if they had had the opportunity to 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.920 do it right, sees, young kids have played really well 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.839 because you wasted time with um well Anthony Brown was 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.000 oh not Anthony Brown who started off and then he 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:32.960 got hurt. Oh h Nolan Carroll and Carroll right, but see, 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.200 Oozie would have beaten no out. I think Oozie would 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.120 have beaten him out if he was healthy, Like right 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.640 from the start. See, the thing was everybody was really 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.400 high on I'm talking about everyone high. I'm talking about 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.280 everybody on the opposite side of the building from us. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:49.400 They were Saint Brian watch Jordan Lewis, Watch Jordan Lewis. 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.800 See to me, it seemed like Jordan Lewis was initially 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.000 their candidate, that he was the guy that had the 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.240 first round ability, that they were that they got the 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:00.719 third round steal. Yeah, So I don't know if you 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.280 look at the season, was it really the six games 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.000 with Elliott. I think that was huge, no doubt, But 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:10.040 we're could they've made some adjustments defensively from what we've 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:14.439 seen right now to even help them even more. Injuries 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:20.360 definitely prevented them from executing their plan with that too. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.360 But but do your point. I see your point about 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.920 the young dbs. But Mickey, I agree with Mickey there 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.160 in that they wanted to make sure when Chito came back, 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.199 oh there's no questions, not a third, no question reaggravation 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:32.840 and then he's done for the season when you don't 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.280 see basically all his rookie year, right, So they want 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.400 to be certain hundred ten percent when he came back, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.240 and he came back and played awfully. Well, you know 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.880 everybody wants to talk about Okay, he gave up the touchdown. Oh, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:46.360 I love the kid. I mean he played hard and 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.280 and and that call in the end zone was bs 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.800 because if anything, you can call holding, the ball was 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.880 not in the air, so you can't call interference. Right. 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.679 How do those guys make mistakes like that? Officials? Yes, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.439 it's part of their job. I meant, yeah, it's it's 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.679 part of the pre record, so you have to, Hey, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.480 come on, make mistakes. But no to me, I I 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.439 just kind of I mean, you do the autopsy of 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.240 the season. Where are you where are you looking at? 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:16.080 What are you saying? Okay, this this should have been 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.920 you know what could they have done differently? Okay? Here 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.599 it is and this is and I think this is. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.880 This is the cork that fell through the bottle. Oh boy, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:32.840 that's a bad situa. That's a bad also. It'll also 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:38.160 ruin an offense. The backup swing tackle. Yeah, totally failed 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.960 on it. Now, I can't criticize him for thinking Chaz 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.839 Green could do it because we saw him do it. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.120 That's that's a fair point. That's a fair point. But 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.480 when he failed, there was no way Byron Bell was 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.760 going to hang in there. And I heard you watching 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.719 that tape yesterday. There were a lot of yelling going 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.760 on over there. He single handedly caused three or four 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:00.680 like critical plays in that game because he couldn't block 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:02.800 the guy who couldn't stand in front of him and 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.360 not get pushed back into the quarterback. Right. It was 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.360 just awful. So we talk about Sean Lee, we talked 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.320 about Ezekiel Elliott, talk about not having Tyron Smith out there. Yeah, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:18.480 they survived one game without him, the Raiders all the 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.240 rest of them they lost. Yeah. Yeah. In the past 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.720 few years, who has been the best swing tackle? You 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.360 think that this team has been able to kind of 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.360 manage when Tyrn has been interr out because he's miss 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.080 games last yeas well. Nikki's right though last year. But 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:35.400 but then Jeremy Parnell who left to go to Jacksonville, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.720 who I was watching Jacksonville and Seattle tape again, is 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.560 he still starting? He still starting right tackle for Jacksonville 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.520 shocks me. Yeah, But Jeremy Parnell was a guy that 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:48.560 least you can but Jeremy Parnell played when Tyron Smith 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:50.680 was not available. I mean, I want to say that 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:53.359 Jeremy Parnell in a in a key game at Cincinnati, 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.800 the game that Jerry Brown game. Jeremy Parnell had to 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:59.360 play that game too. Well, it's not just the swing 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.600 tackles situation, because offensive line in general. Well, yeah, because 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:06.880 Chaz Green was your starting left guard going into the 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.640 start of preseason, not just your swing tackle. So you 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:13.400 can argue, all right, and he got hurt hurt, and 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.040 did lack of reps focusing on guard affect him when 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.960 he switched to tackle? Did he need more work that 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.200 you just need to stay over there to start? But 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.160 they wanted to get their best five starting on the 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:25.960 Can I take that a little further? Was it a 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.920 mis evaluation of taking reps making him play guard? Or 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:31.800 was that the Brian broad us to get my best 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.120 five out there. That's that's my question. I think it 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.320 was the best five. Yeah, And they didn't have any 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.280 confidence in Cooper, And you know, as it went around along, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:44.560 Cooper was okay, he wasn't. I don't know that they 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.040 sink their teeth into him going forward. Now, I don't 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:51.000 know what you do. But you know he had his 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:56.200 missteps too. What was Leary's final number on it? Five 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.680 million a year? I was just gonna say, this is 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.560 all run Leary's phone. No, no, no, I'm just at 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.080 because shouldn't let him go? Was it a five year deal? 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:05.720 Thirty some millions? So it's six million to season then, 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.360 so they weren't gonna pay that. See, I'm siner thinking 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.240 who could I have sacrificed to make sure I had 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.240 Ron Larry play with? The fans are screaming right now, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.360 Terrence Williams, Terrence Williams. But this is that enough money 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.040 to get? Is that enough money to get that done? 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.120 Three years? Thirty six million? Yeah, with a three point 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.960 five signing bonus, average salary of nine million, and he 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:33.360 had eighteen million guarantee. An't do it? Don't get can 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.680 do it? You extended Lyle Collins in training camp, and 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.440 don't forget that this summer will have Martin. You're expecting that, 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.520 You're you're very hopefully you're gonna get something done with 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.640 with Martin too, So like, how much money do you 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:47.280 want to spend five linemen? I don't know. Was the 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.960 guard more of a problem than the swing tackle. You 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.160 say it's a swing tackle. I say it's a swing tackle. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.760 But then they're next to each other. I'm saying, I'm 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.560 saying that, yeah, swing tackle. But where Chaz moonlighted? A 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.120 guard influenced situation? Are we worried to try to fit 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.520 him into two spots? Really left side? Are we worried 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.320 about seventy seven going forward? I don't know if I'm 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.840 worried about him, but I think that you need and look, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.359 both of your tackles had problems this year with oh 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.680 no health, right, yeah, yeah, so you need somebody yeah 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.120 and not just anybody? Yeah, all right? And I don't 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.040 know if you find that in free agency or if 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:26.800 you you know, can find a to to find it 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.040 in the draft. You got them draft high and they 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.159 got too many other things. I think that if you 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.199 had the shot to draft at say sixteen and draft, well, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:37.560 that's what you got in Zach Martin. Basically, would you 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.920 take another first round offensive lineman? Know in the situation 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.320 you're Mickey just told me I'm in dire straits, right, 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.320 let me let me. You have to tell me what 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:52.280 I'm passing up. I'm end okay, okay, I'm not you're 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.760 gonna miss out on a linebacker, and you're gonna miss 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.280 out on You're gonna miss out on a linebacker. You're 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.919 gonna miss out on a receiver. I'll give you tho 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.320 to cornerback. No, no, I'm taking that. I'm gonna make 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.320 it hard on him. Here. You're missing out on you're 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.840 missing out on a linebacker, and you're missing out on 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:11.639 a receiver. By draft time, are they resigning Anthony Hitchins? No, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.239 he's gone. And I gotta take a linebacker that might 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.359 be your biggest need. Boy, did you just I mean 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.600 you just and look for that guard and it's tackle 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:22.960 and it's killing you right now, and yeah, it's killing it. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.320 See you could go out and maybe get maybe go 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.400 get a guy, maybe the second best offensive tackle at sixteen. 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:31.920 Maybe you get the second best guy. Yeah see. And 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.280 I don't know because then can he play guard, because 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.280 he's gonna have to start if I take him. That 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:40.560 hire you go started like, yeah, Alaman Page, Yeah did 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.040 it with those guys They started at guard and then 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:47.280 moved out the tackle. Yeah, Scar see that's where that's 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.440 where business real quick, Tano, you're gonna moving along with 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:52.639 the show. I know, you're moving a show. Uh, but 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.280 would you now with with next fall, next spring, would 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.119 you start to work Zack Martin sum at tackle just 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:05.719 to see with the idea of moving Collins to one 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.320 of the guard spots if if you cannot, would you 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:12.000 start to Yeah? I mean, I'm just saying, oh, would 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.879 you would you do if something happens again to turn Smith? 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.719 Would you consider moving Zach Martin from left from right 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.680 guard to left tackle? He takes start seeing him get 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:26.200 work reps? Doesn't he take some reps every camp? A 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:31.239 little bit more center? Yeah, I'm thinking center. Yeah. Um, well, 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:32.840 they've always had the thought that they could just move 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:34.840 him there in a pinch anyway, because he's Zach Martin. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.640 He's Zach Martin. I'm trying to make a better swing 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.159 tackle for Mickey, but if he's not gonna let me 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:42.840 have Yeah, but he's not gonna let me draft one 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.160 because he needs a linebacker and they do need a linebacker. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:49.439 Of Hitchens not there because you can't put all your 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:52.240 eggs in Jalen Smith's basket. See that, And it's the 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.200 same sentence, right, But it's also the same situation as Okay, 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.639 you're worried about potentially Tyron's long term health. If you 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.239 are worried Sean Lee missed how many games this year, 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.440 it's it's Sean Lee, it's Jalen Smith. It's no Anthony Hitchens. 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.600 Potential loss of Hitchens, that that makes linebacker potentially your 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:12.760 biggest knee is yeah, because who else? Yeah, See, that's 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:14.760 what people ask me, they go give me, give me 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:16.960 your number one nee. I would say linebacker because of 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.320