1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: are the stories we're following today. 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: Karen, we begin with new geopolitical tensions on the high seas. 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 3: The US has seized a sanctioned oil tanker off the 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 3: coast of Venezuela. It is an escalation of tensions that 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: have focused on deadly military strikes on suspected drug smuggling 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: boats coming out of the oil rich country. President Trump 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 3: confirmed the move in comments from the White House. 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 4: We've just seized a tanker on the coast of VENEZUELA 11 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 4: large tanker, very large, largest one ever seised, extent and 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 4: other things are happening. 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: And following President Trump's remarks, Attorney General Pam Bondi posted 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: a video on x of heavily armed forces dropping onto 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: the ship's deck from a black Hawk helicopter. Bloomberg Stephen 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: Stepchinsky reports the US concluded this vessel was headed for Cuba. 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 5: This is a very large Crewe carrier. Trump was correct. 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 5: It is big, two million barrels of oil, and it's 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 5: abnormal to send carriers this large to Cuba. So where 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 5: was its actual destination. It's still unclear was actually going 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 5: to China, but either way, the Trump administration did decide 22 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 5: to do this, saying that because the ship was already sanctioned, 23 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 5: we have the authority to board it and take it. 24 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Steven Stebschinski reports. The Venezuelan government says the seizure 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: shows US aggression against the country has always been about 26 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: its natural resources. President Trump is suggesting the US should 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 3: keep the oil. 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Now, Nathan, let's get the latest on efforts to end 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine. A coalition of more than thirty countries. 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 2: We'll hold a virtual meeting on the latest peace proposal. 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: Ukraine sent its revised plan to the US overnight after 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: President Trump held a call with the leaders of France, 33 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Germany and the UK. 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 4: We discussed Ukraine in pretty strong words, and we'll see 35 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 4: what happened. 36 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 6: So we were waiting to hear our answers. 37 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: President Trump says it's time for the war to get settled. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: To Bloomberg's Oliver Kirk reports, three documents are under discussion. 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: The first is a twenty point framework for peace with Russia. 40 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 7: European leaders are trying to urge Donald Trump to come 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 7: to Europe potentially this weekend to have discussions. Trump said 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 7: that that's potentially on the table, but really he wants 43 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 7: to have more security that there's actual progress being made 44 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 7: in the negotiations before agreeing to do that. Yesterday also 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 7: we had President Zelenski and a number of top Ukrainian 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 7: officials meeting with Larry Fink, the CEO of Black Rock, 47 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 7: meeting with Scott besse at the US Treasury Secretary Jared Kushner, 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 7: who seems to be involved in just about everything these days, 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 7: to talk about the reconstruction of Ukraine. And that is 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 7: the second document is about reconstruction, and the third document 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 7: is the third and is probably the most contentious. This 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 7: is all about detailing what are the security guarantees going 53 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 7: forward for Ukraine. 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 2: And Bloomberg's Oliver Kuirk reports it remains unclear whether Russian 55 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: President Vladimir Putin will agree to a deal. After talks 56 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: last week in Moscow. The Kremlin said some purpose on 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: the table were acceptable, but it rejected others. 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to the markets now, Karen. Futures are 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: lower following yesterday's FED fueled rally on Wall Street. The 60 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 3: main culprit disappointing earnings from Oracle. Those shares are down 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 3: more than eleven percent. Revenue and operating income fell short 62 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: of analyst estaments. The company's fate is deeply tied to 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: the artificial intelligence boom, and it raised its AI spending forecast, 64 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 3: rekindling concerns over tech shares expensive valuations. Annabelle Droolers covers 65 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: Oracle for Bloomberg, investors. 66 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 8: Are already quite cautious, and you can see that drop 67 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 8: there in the stock over the last few months. But 68 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 8: we have seen about it a drop of a third 69 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 8: since the stock hit it's all time high back in September, 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 8: and certainly seems like those fears haven't mitilated at all 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 8: because you're seeing Oracle, they're very much under pressure, and 72 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 8: those questions really about the exposure that Oracle has to 73 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 8: open AI's business, in. 74 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 3: Particular Bloomberg's andabell Droolers says Oracle now expects capital expenditures 75 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: to reach about fifty billion dollars. That's about fifteen billion 76 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: more than and it's September forecast. 77 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, the Oracle disappointment is taking the shine off 78 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 2: the market's best day on a FED decision since March, 79 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: the s and P five hundred row seven tenths of 80 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: up percent. 81 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 9: The Fed delivered a widely. 82 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 2: Anticipated quarter point interest rate cut, but policymakers are increasingly 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: split on the path ahead, and that vote for the 84 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: cut was nine to three. 85 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 9: Fetchier J. Powell says, the Central Bank has a tough mandate. 86 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 9: It's a close call. 87 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 10: We have to make decisions, and you know, we always 88 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 10: hope that the data will give us a clear read. 89 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 10: But in this situation, you have competing If you look 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 10: at if you look through the SEP, you'll see that 91 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 10: a very large number of participants agree that risks are 92 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 10: to the upside for unemployment and to the upside for inflation. 93 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 10: So what do you do. You've got one tool. You 94 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 10: can't do two things at once. 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 9: The results from J. 96 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: Powell and the Fed mark the first time since twenty nineteen. 97 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: That's three officials voted against a policy decision, with descents 98 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: on both ends of the policy spectrum. 99 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: And reaction continues to pour into the decision. Karen Jim Bianco, 100 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: president and founder of Biancre Research, says he would have 101 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: liked to see more descents. 102 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 11: I was hoping for a seven and five vote. I 103 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 11: was hoping for a FED that was more divided, that 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 11: was more independent, that was going to send a message 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 11: to the administration. You could put a guy in that 106 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 11: wants to go to one percent, but he's not going 107 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 11: to bully us to cut rates next year. Just because 108 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 11: he's the FED chairman. They kind of left the door open. 109 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 11: I think that the FED can be bullied by the 110 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 11: next FED chairman to do the bidding. 111 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 9: Of President Trump. 112 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: That's Jim Bianco Bianco Research. Just two policy makers, Kansas 113 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: City FED President Jeff Schmid and Chicago's Austin Goldsby dissented 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: in favor of leaving rates unchanged. The other descent was 115 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: from Governor Stephen Myron, who continued to call for a 116 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: larger rate reduction. 117 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: Well in Company News this morning, Nathan, the battle for 118 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 2: Warner Brothers Discovery is carving up the country along political lines, 119 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: and we get that each He also with Bloomberg's John Tucker, 120 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: John good Morning, and Karen. 121 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 12: Few mergers in recent memory have been as polarizing as 122 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 12: the battle for Warner Brothers. In Republican circles, he has 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 12: become fashionable to root against Netflix and for Paramount's bid. 124 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 12: Paramount is run by David Ellison was close ties to 125 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 12: the White House and his bid for Warner Brothers is 126 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 12: backed by Jared Kushner, son in law off President Trump, 127 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 12: and the President himself had a drama yesterday. That's when 128 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 12: he said any deal for Warner Brothers should include the 129 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 12: sale of CNN. 130 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 6: I don't think the people that are running that company 131 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 6: right now and running CNN, which is a very dishonest 132 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 6: group of people, I don't think that should be allowed 133 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 6: to continue. 134 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 12: Some prominent Democrats, on the other hand, are voicing objections 135 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 12: to the paramount effort, crying foul over the twenty four 136 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 12: billion dollars that's coming from Middle East sources, like many 137 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 12: in Hollywood. Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts would prefer 138 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,679 Speaker 12: no sale at all. She called paramounts offer a five 139 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 12: alarm antitrust fire in New York. I'm John Tucker Bloomberg Radio. 140 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 13: John. 141 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: Thanks. 142 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: There's a change in the c suite at Coca Cola 143 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: this morning. CEO James Quincy is stepping down. He'll be 144 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: replaced at the end of March by Enrique Braun, Coke's 145 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: chief operating officer. Quincy assumed the CEO role in May 146 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen. Under his management, Coke shares rose more 147 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 3: than sixty percent, while the S and P five hundred 148 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: gained nearly one hundred and ninety percent over the same period. 149 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: And finally, Nathan, it took a while twenty five years. 150 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: In fact, Cisco, a Bellather stock of the dot com era, 151 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: has returned to a record after a quarter century, thanks 152 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: in part to the artificial intelligence spending. Boom shares closed 153 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: above eighty dollars yesterday, taking out a peak that stood 154 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: for more than twenty five years, and the stocks March 155 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: two thousand and high is viewed by many as the 156 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 2: height of the dot com bubble and mark the high 157 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: water mark for the tank heavy Nasdaq one hundred index 158 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: until late twenty fifteen. Time now for a look at 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: some of the other stories making it was in New 160 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: York and around the world, and for that were joined 161 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 162 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 9: Michael, good morning, Good morning, Karen. 163 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 13: The House has passed the Annual Defense Policy Bill, authorizing 164 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 13: nine hundred billion dollars depending on spending, but a little 165 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 13: noticed provision has drawn the ire of safety regulators. Inside 166 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 13: the three thousand page bill is a provision allowing for 167 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 13: waivers to let military helicopter training missions without collision avoidance 168 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 13: systems resume near Reagan National Airport. Jennifer Hammady, chair of 169 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 13: the NTSB, says the Safety Board was not consulted on 170 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 13: the bill's provision. 171 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 14: This section, to the lay reader is drafted to seemingly 172 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 14: enhance safety. I want to be very clear that it 173 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 14: is does not in any way enhance safety. 174 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 13: NTSB chair Jennifer Hummady says sixty seven people were killed 175 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 13: last January when an Army Blackhawk helicopter collide it with 176 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 13: a Regional in the crowded DC airspace. We're learning more 177 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 13: about the suspected gunmen in Tuesday's deadly shooting at Kentucky 178 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 13: State University. Officials identified him as forty eight year old 179 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 13: Jacob Lee Bard. Assistant police Chief Scott Tracy. 180 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 10: Mister Bard is a resident of Evansville, Indiana. 181 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 6: Our investigation has determined that mister Barn as a parent 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 6: of a Kentucky State University student. 183 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 13: The assistant Chief Tracy also says they have identified the 184 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 13: victim who died as nineteen year old to John Fox, 185 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 13: a student at the university. Another victim remains hospitalized in 186 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 13: intense of care. The Trump administration has approved sales valued 187 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 13: at six hundred and eighty six million dollars of technology 188 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 13: and equipment for Pakistan's F sixteen fighter jets to modernize 189 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 13: its fleet. The sale would boost into operability with US 190 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 13: forces and help extend the jets' service life through twenty forty. 191 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 13: Global News twenty four hours a day and whenever you 192 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 13: want it with Bloomberg Now. I'm Michael Barr, and this 193 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 13: is Bloomberg Karen. 194 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 9: Thanks Michael. 195 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: Time now for our Bloomberg Sports update, and for that 196 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,359 Speaker 2: we bring in John Stashauer. 197 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 15: Thanks Aaron. The University of Michigan fired football coast Sharon 198 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 15: Moore for having an inappropriate relationship with a staff member, 199 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 15: and then Moore's day got even worse, so he ended 200 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 15: up in a county jail suspected an alleged assault. NBA 201 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 15: Cup Quarterfinals Oklahoma City by forty nine over Phoenix, and 202 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 15: the Spurs won easily over the Lakers. Those winning teams 203 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 15: advanced to the semifinals in Las Vegas. Been a rough 204 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 15: week for the Mets. Edwin Diaz left to sign with 205 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 15: the Dodgers. Peter Alonzo left to go to Baltimore. That's 206 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 15: a Bloomberg Sports update. 207 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 9: Stay with us. More from Bloomberg day Break coming up 208 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 9: after this. 209 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: Coast to coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 210 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 211 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business Altum. 212 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 9: This is Bloomberg. Good morning. 213 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: I'm Nathan Hageran. As expected, the Federal Reserve delivered its 214 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 3: third quarter point interest rate cut in a row to 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 3: end the year, But the sense behind that decision or 216 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 3: pointing to an uncertain path ahead. FED Chair Jay Palell 217 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: says the Committee's trying to get the balance right. 218 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 10: This further normalization of our policy stance should help stabilize 219 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 10: the labor market while allowing inflation to resume its downward 220 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 10: trend toward two percent once the effects of tariffs have 221 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 10: passed through. 222 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 3: FED Chair Jay Powell at the post decision news conference 223 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: heard live on Bloomberg Radio. We're joined now by Jennifer Lee, 224 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 3: senior economist at BMO Capital Markets, and Jenna'd love to 225 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 3: get your reaction to this decision and the messaging we 226 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: heard from Chairman Powell on the upside risks to both 227 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: employment and inflation. 228 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 9: Good morning, Good mornings. 229 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 16: And thank you very much for having me on. You know, 230 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 16: when I first saw the press press statement, it was 231 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 16: like reading a book or watching a movie, was like 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 16: this plot twist all of a sudden, except it's not 233 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 16: a movie, it's not a book. 234 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 9: This is like real life. 235 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 16: And you know, I think the message that he was 236 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 16: trying to send during the press conference was how much 237 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 16: uncertainty there is? And you know, and and again emphasizing that, yes, 238 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 16: he did say it was a close call, but you know, 239 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 16: it doesn't sound like that to me. I think you 240 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 16: started downplaying how much dissension there was potentially in the committee. 241 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, we did get three descents for the first time 242 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen on both sides, and some policymakers who 243 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 3: weren't voting saying they would have called for keeping rates 244 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: on hold as well. What does that signal about what 245 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: we could get next year? 246 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 16: So we are you know, we so much could happen. 247 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 16: And in terms of me right now, it was interesting, 248 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 16: how you know, we started off the year talking about 249 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 16: how dubbished all the central banks are, and now we're 250 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 16: ending the year talking about rape hikes. So I think 251 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 16: it's obviously it's still early to see what's going to 252 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 16: happen in the next twelve months. But you know, I 253 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 16: still think we're going to see rape cuts. Obviously, it's 254 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 16: not going to be in quick succession. It's not going 255 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 16: to be in fifty basis point moves as Governor Myron 256 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 16: had preferred. But you know, we're still sticking with our 257 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 16: call of you know, probably about another two or three cuts, 258 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 16: but spaced out, waiting to see how the data panet, 259 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 16: waiting to see how what happens with the job market. 260 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 16: Are we actually seeing job cuts? 261 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 11: You know? 262 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 16: One of the sass thing. What's going to happen on 263 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 16: the inflation front. You know, I still think inflation is 264 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 16: going to remain quite sticky, you know, and that's going 265 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 16: to prevent more, you know, a larger I guess, our 266 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 16: large number of rate cuts. So I think two or 267 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 16: three rate cuts. I think it's still quite reasonable right now. 268 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 3: Well, what's your view on the reliability of the data 269 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: since we have kind of holes in it due to 270 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: the government shutdown. 271 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 9: That's so that's a big question. 272 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 16: I mean, obviously, when we had the shutdown and then 273 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 16: everyone was hustled back to work and said to like 274 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 16: get those surveys out you know I would do. First 275 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 16: thing I was wondering is how reliable will the data be? 276 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 16: So I'm going to be interested to see how the 277 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:52,359 Speaker 16: revisions are going to affair. We always see revisions anyway regardless, 278 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 16: but how big they will be will be interesting. 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