WEBVTT - Ep. 611: The Duck Stamp Champ 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.360 This is the me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.720 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listeningcast. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:19.360 You can't predict anything. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.840 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.079 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.600 for ELK. First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:32.440 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.680 dot com. F I R S T L I t 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:41.479 E dot com. Hey guys, before you listen to this 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.280 show that you're listening to right now, I want to 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.680 plug something you're going to be listening to at the 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.840 end of the show. Our buddy Jason Phelps has a podcast, 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.280 Cutting the Distance, of course, and he was recently on 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.840 an ELK hunt with country music singer Luke Colmbs down 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.080 in New Mexico and they sat down and did an 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.440 episode of Cutting the Distance together. So we're gonna put 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.640 a little snippet of that here because it's great, And 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:06.600 then you can go over and listen to the rest 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.760 and check out Cutting the Distance and subscribe to the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:21.280 Cutting the Distance podcast. Thank you. Phil's here all riled up. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.120 I knew you were gonna do this. All pissy, not 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:30.400 even gonna get into that good. That was pissy. It 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.880 can feel Can you see this? Yeah? Should I hold it? 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:33.840 The big thing or this thing? 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:37.120 You can do both, Okay, the big thing would be nicer. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.200 Okay. It's the time of year. Well, I don't want 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.080 people to lose sight of what we're doing here. It's 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.240 the time of year when you go you're like, oh shit, 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.400 I gotta buy my duck stamp. Great, and this is 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:53.600 not a lie. I just got mine today. Oh, this 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:54.240 is not a lie. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:55.840 They're in stock now, great. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:57.720 Where'd you go post office? 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.640 My desk? I had some great I have performula. 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:03.480 I'll have to do that. 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:06.240 Hopefully a couple end up. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:10.720 One time and Kylie grab something I needed to and uh, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.480 for just it's a long story. It's time of year 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.240 and you gotta go buy your duck stamp. You know 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:18.480 we're gonna do this out talking about the movie Fargo. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.800 No one ever does. They can't. They never do it 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.880 without talking about Fargo. You people have seen Fargoll know 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:27.639 what I'm getting at. It's time of year and you 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.200 gotta go buy your duck stamp. And we have extremely 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.079 special guests. We have the person that paint in the 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.840 damn duck stamp, the most prestigious. 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:38.799 It's gotta be right, that's what they say. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.840 I'm gonna ask someone who's not you. I'm gonna ask 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:50.160 another painter. We also have I'm like, there's so much 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:51.920 going on with the show, it's complicated. We also have 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.720 the junior duck stamp winter joining from South Korea where 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.040 it's one am. So I'm trying to be aware of 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.560 her time. She's good for a minute. Yeah, okay, so 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.240 we're good, all right, Kelsey Kelsey. We had Kelsey Morris 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.320 come in. She's up normally No, no discredit, Chuck, She's 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:11.120 normally our She's like the resident wildlife artist. Yeah, painter, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:15.640 she's the resident painter. Is is just how prestigious is it? 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:16.560 You don't paint ducks? 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.200 No, But I'm aware. It's the highest honor. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:23.600 It's the highest honor in waterfowl, yes, painting. 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:28.200 Yeah, it's the pinnacle. You know, that's what people we 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:31.600 were talking about this earlier. People strive their entire careers, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:34.400 year on year to win the duck stamp. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.160 So it's like like in Fargo. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:48.200 Said, yeah, but yeah, it's it's a high honor. It's 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.120 the pinnacle. Of the Duck Stamp career, you know, to 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:52.360 win the Ducks Stamp. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:56.920 So and uh, this year is Montanan Chuck black one 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:57.960 from right Local? 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.040 Yeah, Belgrade. 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:00.520 How many times you submitted? 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:01.840 This is my tenth time? 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.840 So has anyone ever won it twice? Do you call 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:06.760 it winning it? What do you call it? Yeah? 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:07.880 Went winning it? Yeah? 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.560 No, the there's three brothers from Minnesota. A couple of 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.480 people now I think have won it twice. But the 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.720 three brothers the hot means, which is what they referenced 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.720 in Fargo, which is funny how old that movie is. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.279 And they were winning back then. I think combined between 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.000 the three, they're at fifteen now are they still? 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.520 Yeah? They won the last two years? 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:28.560 What? 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.200 Yeah, so this was my year because when you win, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.560 you have to sit out for three Oh it's like real. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.200 So they won, it's like drawn. 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:39.400 Yeah. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.520 Yeah, so they won the last two years and I 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:45.360 was like, this is my year. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.680 I got to get in while they're out. 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.120 God, no, kid, we're gonna talk about that whole We're 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.640 gonna talk about that whole world. Max Bart is here 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.320 just because he likes to hunt ducks lot, and you've 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:57.400 bought many a ducks. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.800 Down many, but I haven't bought mine this year, so 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:00.839 this is a good reminder. 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.800 I keep buying more than I need on an accident, 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.160 because every year I forget that my kids don't need them, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.840 but I buy them for my little kids and then 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.160 I later realized they didn't need them. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:09.520 Yeah. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:13.120 I typically buy at least three a year, one for me, 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.680 one for my dog, and then like maybe a couple 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.160 spares just in case if someone doesn't have them. 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.240 It's a good thing to buy an access Yeah. 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:24.440 Yeah, because all the money goes to Wetlands Conservation. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:25.360 So giving back a little bit. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.159 Brent Reeves is here fresh from the squirrel Cookoff, little 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:34.479 as a tick. I was telling Brent my body the 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.640 I have a trapper buddy who I was talking to 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.160 him about binoculars yesterday, and he just mentioned casually in 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:43.720 passing he just got back from seeing Brent Reeves at 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:45.520 the squirrel cookoff, as though that's like a thing to 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:46.560 go do. Oh man. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.279 Apparently a lot of people thought that there was thousands 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:52.520 of people there. It was good. Yeah, it was forty 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:56.560 teams every year. They limited to forty and then they 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.479 come in with their recipe their squirrels. If they don't 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.159 have squirrel was that supply for them there? It's all free. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.680 It's a good family deal. It was just it's it's 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:08.360 just a great event. 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.920 What kind of loser would go to a squirrel cookoff 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.039 without squirrels? 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.080 Well, I mean there's a team there from Alaska last year. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:17.200 It should have a bunch of pine squirrels. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.720 Well, gray squirrels and fox squirrels. That's what it's. That's 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.480 what you're limited to cook it's resident there of Arkansas. 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.000 And if you don't have them, the folks, the good folks. 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:31.440 There natural state. I mean the hack right out of 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.400 the gate like that. You know, I don't know, that's cool. Yeah, 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.920 And you said, Phil, I'm glad they got those. I'm 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.599 glad they got squirrels there. Yeah, they're share with everybody. 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.680 Watch just Chuck Black. You know how you won the 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.440 duck stamp contest, Well, people could win the Arizona raffle. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:48.200 There you go. 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.880 You like that little transition they teach that painter school. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:51.279 Do they know. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.279 We've been talking a bunch about in Arizona, like way 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.159 too talked about it, way too much about Arizona's boarded 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:11.280 uh Commission, Wildlife Commission, their decision to eliminate governor's tag auctions. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.960 So their decisions, their decision to move away from allocating 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.840 some number of big game tags to the highest bidder 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.080 and instead moving those tags to raffle systems where everybody 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.520 can have a chance to win rather than just the 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:31.360 highest bidder. As we've explored to the point of nausea, 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.600 there are trade offs. There are trade offfs because all 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.480 of that money watch this transition, like the duck stamp, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.040 all of that auction money goes to support wildlife habitat. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.560 And so they're faced with making this decision to move 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:51.800 into a more democratic system of allocation raffles. There's a 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.840 there's probably a there's a likely scenario where there's a 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.760 forfeiture of a lot of conservation money. But you can 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:03.520 remedy that. You can help remedy that that discrepancy if 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:08.920 you go right now and buy some raffle tickets for 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:13.800 Arizona big game raffles. They got this a bunch of them. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:18.800 There's a Mountain Lion raffle, COO's dear elk mule deer, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:28.239 all kinds of raffles. I blue, not blue, invested, not blue. 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.800 That's it. Listen, I didn't say that. Come out, Phil, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.640 Can you play it back or I say invested. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:36.160 Maybe if you didn't call me pissy at the tip of. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:44.080 Okay, September one, twenty twenty four to December fifteenth, twenty 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.000 twenty four, so we are well into the raffle period. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.800 You can enter to win all kinds of gear packages, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.160 but you can also enter to win big game tags. 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.800 I went on the other day and spent I bought 0:08:55.960 --> 0:09:01.880 ten mule Deer raffle tags. So I invested a hundred 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.920 bucks into my mule deer hunt and hopefully they will 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.960 do such good business on these raffles of just people 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.800 thrown in ten bucks a pop here and there to 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:18.280 help make up for what could wind up being a 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.280 net conservation loss. Am I saying this too strongly? No 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.000 a net conservation loss by moving away from Governor's tags. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.000 They had their logic to the decision. If you're curious 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.360 about that logic, go back and listen to every other 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:34.000 podcast we've made lately. 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:42.600 Oh and you can you can purchase now until ending 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.080 at nine pm Arizona time on December fifteenth. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:47.920 But now that I bought my ten, I don't want 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.680 any whoever goes on there. Don't do the mule deer one. 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.400 I'm hoping I'm the only one that did meal deer 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:58.000 and I win that thing. Good luck, So you're not 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.080 going to be the only one. No, I always I 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:04.600 always buy into these raffles. You know, I haven't bought 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.680 into Arizona, but I'm buying an Arizona. Whenever they have 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.040 a Montana Raffler or Alaska raffle, I always buy in. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.120 And there are all kinds of other prizes, and then 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.480 like the more you buy their discounts. I mean they've 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.560 set it up in a great way. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:22.480 So yep, uh okay, we got a new folks, I'll 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.800 check this out. We got a new collab ammal we've 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.560 worked on with our buddies at sig Sour and we 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:37.679 have a new bonded lead ammal which is out now 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:39.640 and you can go check it out. I'm packing right 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.960 now to go moose hunting. I'm not I'm not personally 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.480 moose hunting this year, but uh, my buddies are moose hunting. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.120 I'm going with them. I'm just my job is to 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.960 call and observe and this is what we're shooting on moose, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:55.480 and this is what I've been shooting on moose because 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:01.080 it's loaded with a nozzler ACI Bond bullet, which you 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:06.000 know they fly superbly well and are very very good 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:10.240 on big game. So it is a lead ammal if 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.440 you're hunting an area where you're not supposed to use lead, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.600 if you're in the Condor Recovery area or whatever areas 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.920 of California, not for you. Stick to all copper in 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:25.439 those places. But when you want a really high performance bullet, 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.680 check out the new Platinum Hunter line that we have 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.280 out from SIG. It is phenomenal stuff. Anyone knows who's 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:37.720 ever shot Acubonds knows. Just for performance, it's great. Again, 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.640 not appropriate for your non toxic areas, but when you 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.160 got a big hunt and you're really counting on it, 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:50.320 check it out. Uh Okay, we're gonna go to Danielle. Now, oh, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.679 there she is, Danielle. What's up? 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:52.920 Hi? 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:54.280 Who've killed that lion? 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.880 In the background, I'm in my son's nursery. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:00.240 I know. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.480 Yeah, So I had a broadcast on Friday in my 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.760 office and the the Wi Fi was terrible in the 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.360 Wi Fi boxes right next to his nursery. So that's 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:13.240 why I'm in here. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.240 But there's still a line in the background. 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:20.720 Yeah. Yeah, it's right above his changing table. Yeah. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.960 When way he feels nice and safe when he's get change. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.480 Well, you know, Travis said, you can do whatever you 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.880 want with the nursery as long as the cat stays 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.960 in there, because it used to be his office. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:40.040 And so, yes, Danielle is in a nursery. Behind her 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.080 is her changing table and perched over it as a 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:47.000 stuffed mountain lion, like he's waiting for the baby to 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:53.599 show up so he can nail it. Danielle's got brand new, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:59.160 brand new cookbook out, Wild in the Whole seasonal recipes 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.760 for the just cook Danielle phenomenal cook. Tell us about 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.120 the book, man. First off, wy could folks find it? 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:11.360 October eighth is the pub date, so right around the corner. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:14.480 I don't know when this podcast is being released, but 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.840 October eighth, it's coming out wherever books are sold. 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:20.080 Yeah. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.040 And so this is a project I've been working on, 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:27.199 I want to say, for about three or four years. 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.840 It's really beautiful. It's really beautiful. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:34.720 Thank you. Yes, I spent a long long time thinking 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.640 about it. I had some A couple of publishers reached 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.320 out to me a few years ago asking for me 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.280 to do a cookbook, And so once I started to 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.040 think about what I wanted to do and really like 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.120 what's missing in the market of cookbooks, I kind of 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.320 came to the realization that one, I wanted to do 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.120 something that represented me and the way that I live 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.079 and that lifestyle and type of cooking that I do. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:05.840 But two, all wild Game cookbooks are are just that, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.120 they're just all wild game, and so I really wanted 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.199 to have something else besides just that, Like what else 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.520 are you eating with the protein? Like what are the 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.720 other foods on your plate? So that's kind of how 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:24.400 the book got started. And it's organized through this season, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:29.240 so unlike other books which are normally like categorized on 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:34.480 big game, small game, or or however, this is organized 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.480 through this seasons, which I think is pretty exciting. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:43.080 Yeah, you, I don't. You're the main if I go 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.760 to get a recipe somewhere, You're the main place I 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.120 would go to get a recipe. 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:48.640 You're nice. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:52.400 Yeah, you're mostly the only person who's like actual recipes 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:59.440 I follow. Really, I make a lot of stuff without 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:02.400 really paying attention to what I'm making, But yeah, I 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:04.160 wind up having a lot of your food, and then 0:15:04.200 --> 0:15:07.600 I like specifically make your recipes. I like your recipes 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:08.040 that much. 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:12.480 Well, that is that's a big compliment. I appreciate it. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.560 I think, you know, I think what I try to 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.280 do with recipes is just like, well, there's a lot 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:20.920 of things that I think about when I think about 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:25.080 recipe development in general, but for people who are cooking 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:28.320 at home, it's kind of like making sure that the 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:36.160 recipe is something that's achievable, attainable, but he's practical in 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.520 a way that you would actually cook at home. I 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.920 think a lot of recipes like really kind of want 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:45.000 you to like grab a bunch of stuff and like 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.400 get your whole kitchen dirty, and so I try to 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:52.360 be really conscious of like the way that you're actually 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.440 cooking at home, and like, especially now that I have 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.560 a baby, I'm like, how can I do this with 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.520 less dishes? I haven't always thought that way, but I 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:01.840 think that way now for sure. 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.160 Yeah, tell me about the cover because it's kind of 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:05.720 a bold These are pheasants on the cover. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.880 Yeah, I actually have the book. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:11.640 Yeah, I'm holding it. It's a little bit of a 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.240 bold cover because on the cover are some pheasants, which 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:16.520 are beautiful, but you opted to have the feet stuck 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.200 on there still, ye did anybody did anybody in cookbook 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.360 try to warn you off that, like it was like 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:23.920 too too much? 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.000 No, so they were very adamant that, you know, the 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.040 cover of the book has to be something that says 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.240 wild food and. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.200 A bird's foot. 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:43.920 Well, you know, I actually posted a video of duck 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:47.720 cooking dove on social media, and it's really kind of 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:54.760 funny because people get real offended by looking at bird feet. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.640 It looked like a lame ass book otherwise, but it's 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.240 like too beautifully pheasant, not lame. But it wouldn't be 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:04.080 like I wouldn't look, and I would look and i'd 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:05.840 see like I don't know, I'd be like, oh, chickens 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.679 or something. I don't have the hell i'd think, but 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.120 your look. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.280 That's part of the reason why I kept it on, 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.439 is like you can see the it's a rooster, you know, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:18.840 it's not a farm raised pheasant. But anyway, so yeah, 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:21.000 it's got. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.240 Big old spurs. No, it's not aggressive, and I didn't 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.639 mean to be lame. It's a beautiful book people picture, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:28.359 but like it's kind of just comes right out and 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.800 says something to you know, with those trust pheasants with 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.960 their their feet on there, it's it's it's. 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:38.600 Very it's yeah, there was a there was a topic 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.399 of debate, and I'm very surprised that Penguin Random House 0:17:42.760 --> 0:17:44.560 they were all on board with it. I thought they 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.280 were going to kind of have an issue with it 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.639 of like, oh, no, this is really going to scare 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.800 people off. But I think it also because of the 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.760 way that it's styled. It looks more elegant, and I 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.800 think it's you know, it's really common, especially in Europe, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.800 like people aren't afraid of seen feet on a bird. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.240 I think it's just an American thing that people get 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.199 freaked out because, you know, people don't want to be 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.560 reminded that this was once an animal. They want to like, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.480 they want to have the departure between the living thing 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.840 and then the thing that you're eating. So keeping that 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.520 feet the feet attached really just gets under people's skin. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.480 And I think that might be one of the reasons 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.399 why I kept the feet on for this photo is 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:28.160 because that's kind of a big part of what this 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.680 book is about, is you know, understanding and knowing where 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:32.760 your food comes from. 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:36.840 Uh, you said it was seasonally. It's like organized seasonally. 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.400 But how many recipes are in here altogether? 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:44.639 Oh, I don't know. I don't know. It's kind of well, 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.040 you know, I started this, I had to cut a 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.600 lot of stuff, so I don't remember how many actually 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:54.639 made it. Over eighty I know that's that's like the 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.520 ad Hier eighty And I guess it depends on what 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.159 you consider recipe when you start getting into the back 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.439 of it, where you've got like, you know, spice rubs 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:06.760 and all those other kind of add on things in 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:07.200 the back. 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:12.040 I love the the like I'm just looking at one here, 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.000 like turkey with morels and asparagus. That's all the things 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.080 we would have at that time. And to have a 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.320 recipe that you can you just have these because you've 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:22.760 been out in the woods and you have your turkey 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.000 and you found some morels and you got asparagus in 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:27.040 your yard. Like here's your meal. 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:28.760 That's awesome. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:29.320 Yeah, you know. 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.280 I think that was important to me because I think 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:35.680 anybody who spends a lot of time in the outdoors 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.959 can relate to the ebbs and flows of each season. 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.280 And I wanted people to pick up a season and 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:45.760 get really excited about what you can find outdoors, because 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.879 a lot of times you kind of just pick a 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.680 recipe from from like whatever whatever you want to eat 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:54.920 at any time of the year. But as somebody who 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.680 cooks a lot, I know that tomatoes are really only 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:01.159 good in the summer, and so I think I think 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.439 that wasn't A really important part is to sort of 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:09.639 embrace this idea of living in the moment, because every 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.640 season offers something really special and it's something to get 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:15.320 excited about. So I try to do a lot of 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.600 storytelling in this book, and each season, you know, like 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.960 there's just always something to just really love, whether it's 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.600 the waterfowl migration in the in the winter or yeah, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.600 like turkeys and morals in the spring, there's always something. 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.480 Well, congratulations, man, it's gorgeous. 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:36.280 Thank you. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:41.000 When I yeah, it's very beautiful. It's it's a really 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.959 elegant and nice, really nice thanks, thank you. So everybody 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.400 check that out. Me Eaters, Wild and Whole Seasonal Recipes 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:52.800 for the Conscious Cook. Danielle Prue. This is your first book, Danielle. 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.400 It is, Yeah, so this is all the like, this 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:01.280 is all the recipes that really have a lifetime of 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:02.200 creation into him. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.720 Yeah, there's a handful of them that are like the 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.800 tried and true recipes that I cook all the time 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.560 that I was excited to put in there, and then 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.840 of course there's tons of new things. But yeah, the 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.800 first book, it's definitely kind of like my baby, sure. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:19.480 Man, because it winds up being all your like mega favorites, 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:21.480 going to going to a first project. 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:22.600 Mm hmm. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.880 Yeah, It's it's odd. Whenever I was working on the book, 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.000 I had so much time that it almost worked against 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.680 me because I've reworked things too many times. And then 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:37.840 once I completed the manuscript, it was like the brain 0:21:37.960 --> 0:21:43.000 pathway opened to creative output and it was just like 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.280 it just kept on rolling. And there's like so many 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.919 things now that I wish were in the book that aren't. 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:49.840 But number two, number. 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:54.960 Two, Yeah, Hey, congratulations on the new baby too, thank you. 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:56.080 Yeah, he's. 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.399 Nine weeks old, so. 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:01.720 Very much sleep. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.000 So I'm not sure if the words coming out of 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.680 my mouth are really making sense, very perfect sense. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.880 And uh, you know, when we when we would when 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.600 we were having our little kids, like I think at 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.560 around nine months of age, this this grows people out. 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.760 But at nine months age we'd start like we chew 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.480 up deer meat and you just stick in their mouth 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:24.480 that grows. 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:26.199 It's like birds. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:28.879 We would do that, man, Isn't that weird? 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:34.439 You know, maybe it'll become a new trends to It's. 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.120 Yeah, we start giving them pre to deer meat, dude, 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.480 they'd love it. 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.560 Just can't you just give it to them and let 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:43.440 them chew on it too? 0:22:43.480 --> 0:22:43.680 Though. 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.960 When they're real little, yeah, around nine months, I feel 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:49.720 we start giving them deer meat and that would initially 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:51.639 just kind of give it a little quick gnaw and 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:58.639 then hand it to them just a little. These are 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.120 kids are like mega healthy. Man. I don't know there's 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:01.879 a hot tip for you. 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:06.560 I'll try that report. 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:11.639 Yeah, seven months to think about it. Yeah, all right, 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.320 thanks for joining, Danielle. Appreciate you coming on. Congratulations on 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.280 the book. Everybody check out. Yeah, this beautiful new cookbook 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:19.480 by Danielle Pruitt. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.560 Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanks saniel. 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.159 All Right, we're gonna have a before we dig in 0:23:26.200 --> 0:23:29.240 with with our esteemed guest Chuck Black. We're gonna have 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.600 a quick check in with the with the junior Duck 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.760 Stamp winner who's joining us in South Korea. What are 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:36.720 you doing in South Korea? 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:42.560 Oh, I'm studying abroad right now because in the US 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.760 I go to the University of North Carolina, but for 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.639 our first semester in college, they sent us to Korea 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:50.920 University to study. 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:53.360 So we've been having a lot of fun. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.879 Here, got it. So you when you did the So 0:23:56.920 --> 0:24:01.080 you were in high school when you did the duck stamp. Yes, 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.720 and you I'm trying to understand this right. You were 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:09.960 in an art class where the teacher is so dedicated 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:14.399 to the duck stamp contest that half of the junior 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:19.640 duck stamp winners come out of this one art class. 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:22.000 Yes, that's true. 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:26.400 Whenever we have our ceremony for Oregon, it's just like 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:28.760 half of the entire list is. 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.080 Just from our class. She's very passionate. 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.960 Wow, we need to get that teacher. 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:38.080 Out of there. So how many years did you submit? 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:42.520 Probably also like ten years. I've been doing this since 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:43.399 I was like seven. 0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:47.560 Incredible, You've been painting ducks since you were seven. 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.520 I mean I probably. 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:53.320 Wasn't that good at it when I was seven, but yeah, 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:55.640 I've been going at it for like every single year. 0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:57.600 It's like a tradition. At this point. 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.919 Huh do you think you're gonna keep going for uh 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.119 as an adult? Once you got to enter the general competition. 0:25:07.080 --> 0:25:10.920 I think maybe when I have time in college, I'll 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:11.159 do it. 0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.280 But I also I have heard that the adult contest 0:25:14.320 --> 0:25:18.040 is much harder than the Yeah, I can. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:20.720 See that, maybe I can see true. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.240 How old do you have to be to keep doing 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:25.200 the Junior duck stamp? 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.359 What's seventeen? I think is the So it's like K 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:29.080 through twelve? 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:33.000 Okay, gotcha? So tell us about the stamp there the 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:35.280 painting you did this year for the Junior Duck stamp winner. 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.880 This year I painted a king ider and I've never 0:25:40.960 --> 0:25:43.760 actually like seen a king ider in real life, unfortunately, 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:47.800 But I just thought the colors were like super beautiful. 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.200 And it is my last year doing the Junior Duck stamp. 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:55.480 So I wanted to do something really like bold, like confidence, 0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:57.320 like something special. 0:25:57.640 --> 0:25:59.360 No, it's beautiful and it's a nice it's a really 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.360 nice perspective devonnet And. 0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:03.560 I got to say, they make so the winner is 0:26:03.560 --> 0:26:06.240 a judge at the Junior so they flew me out 0:26:06.280 --> 0:26:08.440 to be a judge. And it doesn't it does not 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.679 do it justice like I thought, Emily's you. 0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:14.040 Saw this, Yeah he judged so well. I thought you 0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:14.960 were to judge next year. 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:18.480 Then no, so one in September, and then the junior 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:19.880 is in April. 0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:27.960 Oh okay, so yeah, yeah, I think I. 0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:31.359 Had her tied with another one that I liked, and 0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:31.720 then I. 0:26:31.640 --> 0:26:34.200 Guess the rest of the judges pushed it over. 0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:35.960 So really, yeah. 0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:37.199 But it doesn't I want to say, it doesn't do 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.600 it justice. I thought, like the colors really showed up 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:41.080 in person. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:43.560 Uh you know, Emily, I forgot to say you're I 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.119 forgot to introduce you. Is is it lean? How do 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:47.080 you pronounce your last name? 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:49.480 I believe it's Leanne? 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:53.639 Yeah, LeAnn. Okay, where did you go to high school? 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.879 I went to high school in Oregon at Sunset High School. 0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.879 I was kind of like in the Portland area. 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.760 Okay, that was our big marching band competition school. 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.120 Oh yeah, like that was your rival in marching band. 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:11.359 It was yeah actually oh yeah yeah. 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.520 I grew up in Vancouver, Washington, across the river, so yeah, yeah, 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:16.280 throw it out. 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:20.440 Yeah anyway, so when you win, when you win the 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.840 junior Duck stamp, is it just honor? Is there? 0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:24.040 Like? 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:25.240 Do you win something. 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:31.040 I think there was like like a cash prize, but 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.400 I think a lot of the experience was like being 0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.240 able to like go out to the ceremony and like 0:27:36.320 --> 0:27:39.000 meeting all the people. It was so cool and like 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.160 meeting all the collectors is really special. 0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:45.040 How much cash are you talking about? I could find 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:48.560 it online, so it's not I'm not prime. A thousand 0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.920 you got a thousand bucks? What'd you do with it? 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:56.320 I probably spent it all on like food here already. 0:27:57.480 --> 0:28:00.200 So you used to feed yourself. That's great, that's good. 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.400 Use your money. So since you won, since you won 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:07.320 the junior duck stamp competition, you finished high school in Portland, 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.840 and then you enrolled in college, and you're in college 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.120 now and you're going to college. 0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:18.440 Where to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.880 Okay, tar heels yep, yep. And then for your first 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:28.240 semester they then send you overseas to South Korea to study. Yeah, 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:32.600 that's right, all right, man, Do you have it? Do 0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:34.879 you have it in your mind that you now autit? 0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.600 You need to go see a king ider. 0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.040 I think I might have to, like me meet the 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:42.840 duck that. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:45.080 I think. 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:46.480 Yeah, you honestly have to. 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.960 I think you should. And then uh, I also understand 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:52.480 that this this struck me I picked. I always pictured 0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:56.800 that everyone that paints ducks, especially for duck stamps, likes 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.200 to hunt ducks. You've never hunted ducks. 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.760 I've never hunted ducks in my life. 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.200 Do you have any desire to hunt ducks? 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.560 I think, hmm, I might. 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:12.640 I might have to try it out one day, actually, 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.840 but I've never really had the opportunity to. 0:29:15.320 --> 0:29:17.120 When you get back in the US, you can come 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.520 if you want to come hunt ducks with us. You 0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:19.600 can come hunt ducks with us. 0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:21.840 Oh really, this is an invitation. 0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.280 It is like December early January will be the time 0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.080 you want to do it. I'm not joking. If you 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:30.400 come up, we'll take you duck hunting. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.480 She told me your favorite thing to eat is duck. 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:34.240 That's why. 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:36.320 You like. 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.720 You like eating duck, but you don't hunt ducks. 0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:40.720 I had it last week. 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.200 There's a great way to get ducks. You want to 0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:44.920 buy a cookbook. 0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:47.160 It's called duck hunting. 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.160 If you know, I'm serious. If you want to come out, 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:52.960 if you want to come out sometime in December early January, 0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:55.720 just talk to Krin. We'll take you duck hunting. We'll 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:58.400 show what a duck looks like. We'll be like, that's 0:29:58.400 --> 0:30:03.600 an actual duck king. We'll show you. We'll show you 0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:08.640 what a mallard looks like. Way, thanks for joining us. 0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:10.960 Emily, Thank you so much. 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.320 What time is it where you're at It's one am. 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:15.600 It's it's almost two am now. 0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:19.440 Yeah, man, thanks for taking the time. 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:23.680 Yeah, good luck in the future. I hope you keep painting. Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations, gratulations. 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:24.440 That's super cool. 0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:25.600 Thanks Emily. 0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.400 Bye, right, Chuck, you ready to dig in? 0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:29.880 Sure? 0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:32.280 Okay? Can I ask you a question first about duck stamps. 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:38.440 Wasn't it a thing like wasn't there some little uh 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:42.160 like controversy recently where you're not allowed to have a 0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.520 person in Were they trying to make it a rule 0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.440 that you had to start having a hunter in the 0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:49.720 duck stamp? Is this? Do you know what I'm talking about? 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.360 It was a hunting element. 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.080 Which did that happen or not happen? 0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.120 It happened, and I want to say it was two 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.520 or three years that that was a requirement to put 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:04.840 into your design, which I'm not opposed, but I think 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.120 a lot of the artists, and I definitely felt similar 0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.240 were frustrated because it's hard enough to paint the duck 0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:13.360 and then when you have to try and compose it 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.600 to make it all work with like a labrador in 0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.640 the background or floating. 0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.240 Right and you know, and that's you know, and then 0:31:23.240 --> 0:31:23.920 that's what won. 0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.560 But then I think there's controversy in that because that's 0:31:26.600 --> 0:31:28.160 not what we're supposed to do with Sportsman. 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.400 But it was painted. The painting was taken right before 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:32.000 he picked it up. 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.040 Yeah, so I think the number of entries dropped a 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:38.600 little bit. 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:41.239 That I didn't enter. 0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.480 I entered once I tried that, and I didn't do 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.280 it the following year, because I mean, it's it adds 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:50.000 more time. It's hard when you're just complicating the design, 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.120 and so I think a lot of artists advocated like, 0:31:52.200 --> 0:31:54.000 just let us do what we want and if we 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.000 want to do a hunting element and yeah, So. 0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:58.800 How many submissions do they get every year for the 0:31:58.840 --> 0:31:59.280 duck stamp? 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.959 Around two hundred And that's down a lot from the nineties, 0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:04.520 where I think the height of it was like twenty 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:06.800 two hundred. Wow, But that was like that was like 0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:08.920 when the Fargo movie came out like that was like 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:10.000 that era. 0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:15.280 So you want to talk about fargo. Third, I was 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.840 trying to avoid fargo, but you want to talk about fargo. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.360 But yeah, I mean I think over the years and 0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:23.840 I agree. I mean, it's frustrating as an artist when 0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:26.560 there's so many top artists that enter it, and if 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.200 you're a beginner or somebody that's not as advanced, I mean, 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.640 it's frustrating to spend so much time on something and 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.960 then it gets thrown out within the first round, you know. 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:40.160 So the entries have just kind of been slowly declining 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:43.959 and it's been focusing more on the top artists. 0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:45.680 How do you submit? 0:32:46.920 --> 0:32:49.480 You just mail it in with an entry feed check 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.000 one hundred and twenty five bucks and then they have 0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:55.200 a public contest every year in September, so that's coming 0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:58.200 up not this weekend, but the next. 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:03.160 So that's it, yep. And then explain how the process 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.400 of selecting a winner goes. So and when you submit it, 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.200 how big you submit the original? 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.880 That's the original size? So it's a seven by ten 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:11.480 inch painting? 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.080 Is that is that like the rule? 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:15.440 It's a lot smaller than I would have thought. 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.239 And I think logistically I mean they deal with two 0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:21.280 hundred entries. It's a it's a traveling judging every year. 0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.880 So I mean they I think there's only two people 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:29.720 that run the Duck Stamp program. So shout out to uh, oh, 0:33:29.760 --> 0:33:31.440 my gosh. Now I'm like blank, and now I'm in 0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:34.640 the cameras that shout out to Suzanne and. 0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:37.320 My gosh, I must look it. 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:37.920 Up for it. 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:42.960 I'm well, I should not forget this, and they're gonna 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:43.680 hate me for Jen. 0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:45.000 Suzanne and Jen. 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.719 Well, it's fine because you're in the hot seat right now. 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.560 I know you just got off the phone with your 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:50.560 future competition. 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:51.719 Yeah. 0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:55.719 Sorry Suzanne and Jen. But there's them to run it, 0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.040 and so you know, two people run this whole thing 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:01.080 and they have to handle all of these entries, and. 0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.280 But they run it for the US Fish Wildlife Service. 0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.880 Yeah, so they're employees. Yeah. 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.239 And then they pick five different judges every year, and 0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.279 they don't review who those are until I don't know, 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.000 maybe a day or two before. 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.200 Are they usually are? Those judges usually went past winners. 0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.080 No, So they're either like it could be somebody in 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.600 an art profession, an ornithologist, somebody that works at du 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.880 somebody that maybe is a like a former refuge manager. 0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:31.080 So it's always kind of like a you never know 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.920 who it's going to be, but they're either bird experts, biology, 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.960 art experts, things like that. And they choose five judges, 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.560 and then they have the first round, which is enter out. 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.440 So they go through all the entries. 0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.600 So all they take all those two hundred paintings and 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:45.720 lay them up in front of the judges. 0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:48.600 They walk one by one and then they either say 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.600 yes or yep, wow, yep, and. 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:54.279 Then they have a set number or is it just 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.880 like that is the initial If there's one hundred people 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.600 that they like, the one hundred are and if there's 0:34:58.640 --> 0:34:59.600 five they like five. 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.040 Or in yeah, So that that's the first round. 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.879 Is so each judge, which is you know, they're isolated 0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.160 from each other, they hold up an I ron oh, 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.799 and if you've got three out of five ends, then 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:12.000 you're into the second round. 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:13.560 And then the second. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.640 Round I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I'm understanding. Yes, 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.520 they're not able to they're not communicating no, so they're 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:25.080 not influenced by right, understood, right, And so they they 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:29.120 isolate the five judges and then each five judges is 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:33.000 shown two hundred, and they allow they're allowed any number 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.480 of in and out. Yeah. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.799 Yeah, and so you just never really know. 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.759 It's not just the individual opinion of each judge. And 0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:42.319 so when you make it to the second round, then 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:44.520 they score one through five score cards. 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:47.080 And if how many people make it to that round. 0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:48.280 It varies. 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:52.760 I want to say, usually no more than fifty probably, 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:55.239 so they yeah, they narrow it down quite a bit. 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.720 And then I think you need to score a six 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.680 fifty teen or sixteen or higher in the second round, 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:05.239 and then that gets you into the final round. And 0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.080 then in the final round they can score three, four 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.759 or five, and then top score wins. If they have 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.719 a tiebreaker, they do a tiebreaker, and then that's how 0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:14.800 they narrow it down. 0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.719 To the top three. Then what happens, that's it and 0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:19.960 they announce the winner. 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.840 Well you just said top three, Well yeah. 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:27.200 They I mean they always they always uh separate a 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.919 one to two and three, I see, and they play 0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:30.520 second place there. 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.279 Yeah, and then there's like many people that might be 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.240 tied for fourth and fifth, sixth. 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.040 But yeah, they want that comes out with the gold medal. 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.760 Yeah, they want like a three distinct top entries. 0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:47.640 What are the parameters what are yeah, what are the parameters. 0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:47.760 Of a duck stamp? 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:47.920 Like? 0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:49.399 What is what? What? 0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:50.520 Like? 0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.680 Yeah, here's a pun what flies and what doesn't fly? 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.319 Well, you can't have writing, so it has to be 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.120 and you have to have a duck that's alive. 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:03.120 I think it doesn't have to be a duck. 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.160 They picked five species each year and they rotate that 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.440 so you know what's coming like three years out of 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.359 three years ahead of time they announced like what each 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.120 year will be, and so you get five choices and 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.840 they try to rotate through all the birds. And I 0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:21.120 think the last one, which I think is eligible this 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.200 year that's never made on a duck stamp is the 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:24.040 cackling goose. 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:29.200 But yeah, so it's any migratory what waterfalller birds? 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:33.560 Well, but they narrow it, Sarah, keep going. 0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:36.200 They narrow that when you do it. So for the 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.520 for the twenty twenty four duck stamp, they said, here's 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.240 the five birds you can paint. 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.600 Yes, and what were they? 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:47.000 No, forget it was the I want to say it 0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.920 was the black duck, the pintail. 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:51.920 Bluebell. 0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.839 I'm forgetting now. But I knew, you know, I knew 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.399 that I had to do the pintail when it When 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.320 I saw that that was coming up a couple of 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.000 years in advance, I was like, that's my year to enter. 0:38:03.239 --> 0:38:05.439 So oh, because you're like a pintail guy. 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:08.520 Well, we had acquired the reference in that video you 0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.240 had seen, and so like I knew I had something 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:11.799 good that I. 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:13.040 Could compose from. 0:38:13.120 --> 0:38:15.600 And so I was like, when that bird is eligible 0:38:15.680 --> 0:38:19.239 again twenty twenty three, I'm going to enter because I've 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:21.759 been missing a couple of years because it got to 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:24.319 the point where you spend so much time on this. 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.799 You're trying to make it as an artist, and so 0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:32.160 you're trying to balance like, well, what is really effective 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.239 with your time? And to spend so much time on 0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.440 a duct painting and then have it get thrown out, 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:41.680 which is normally what happens when I enter, you know. 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:42.400 It's difficult. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.160 So I was being very picky about when I would enter, 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.319 and so like, when I had the reference that I 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.960 wanted for a pintail, it's okay, twenty twenty three, I'm 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:50.800 going to enter again. 0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.120 Now that you do, you get to is your original 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.280 still your original? Yep? 0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:01.080 See, as the artist, there's no cash prize, but you 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:04.319 get to market your own collector prints and then you 0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:05.200 keep the original. 0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:07.080 Well why don't you auction the original off? 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:10.040 Well, it is for sale. I just haven't gotten the 0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:11.080 price that I wanted yet. 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:12.440 Yeah. 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.160 Yeah, everything's for sale for the right price, right. 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:16.520 No, I don't want to I don't want to pry. 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:21.040 But have passed dark stamp people had good Have they 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.279 had good success selling the original? I would think it'd 0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:24.480 be a hot commodity, dude. 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.479 So the Bruce Museum in Greenwich, Connecticut, and that's where 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.839 this year's contest is. They have I want to say, 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:36.040 close to seventy originals. So prior to that they had, 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:38.480 prior to their collection, you know, it had gone to 0:39:38.600 --> 0:39:44.040 whoever private collectors and then one man, Richie Praeger, he's 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.520 been acquiring then the last I want to say, ten 0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.000 years maybe or so, and then he donated all of 0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:52.480 them to the museum. So the museum has this mass 0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:57.000 collection of original paintings, and I think they've got most 0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.120 of them from nineteen sixty or so and on. 0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.160 But there's one there's an individual who's hot on it. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.319 There's an individual that buys a lot. 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:08.160 Yeah, he started the idea, do you auction it. 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.520 Through Southby's or how does it work? No, that's the 0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.160 real estate outfit who does all those paintings and stuff 0:40:13.200 --> 0:40:15.600 there always on the news. 0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:17.239 Christie's. 0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:21.960 Yeah maybe that often else, Yeah. 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:26.440 Like the famous art Christie's or there's another one Christie's 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:27.040 and Sotheby's. 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.280 You'd be a really good episode we should do someday 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:35.000 what we should get an auctioneer on mm hmm, and 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:39.480 then we should ask that auctioneer, why do you sell? 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:46.520 Like for livestock, talking real fast, but when they sell art, 0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:47.960 they don't talk fast. 0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:52.479 No they do. They don't I have any art auction 0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.000 I've ever been to their talk really fast? Really yeah maybe, 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.719 I mean I don't know. I don't know about the 0:40:57.800 --> 0:40:59.120 Christie's or whatever. 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:01.839 But yeah, those are like you drink wine and champagne 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:04.120 and probably talk really. 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:09.800 Maybe the bigger the price, the slower they try to compute. 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:10.040 That. 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:14.319 Phil, I know you're in a bad mood. Yeah, let 0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:17.239 me hear it because I asked you like a very 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:24.560 simple question earlier. Yeah, what's up, Steve? Would we ever 0:41:24.680 --> 0:41:28.840 be able to do we have the technological capability to 0:41:29.440 --> 0:41:32.520 you know, we do the auction house of oddities. Could 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.440 we have an auctioneer come in the studio and do 0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.120 a live auction house of oddities with one of the 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:39.520 fast talking auctioneers. 0:41:39.560 --> 0:41:43.279 We could totally do that. We could, Yes, we should 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:45.680 totally do a live stream prime time. 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:48.680 Get people pumped with with. 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.960 Yes, it doesn't get me pumped because I'm always trying 0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.560 to figure out why they're doing that, Why. 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.200 We can look into the history, Clay says. 0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.719 Clay says, it just it just it builds exciting. But 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:02.760 I always think you could just as well be standing 0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:04.560 there and go ten no. 0:42:04.680 --> 0:42:07.160 Because it's like people will yell yeah, they need to. 0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:08.960 They need to like get you, make you feel like 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.279 the moments about the slip out of your hands. 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.239 They have the callers that are like, whenever somebody who 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:16.040 raised their hands. 0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.680 When we do this podcast episode we'll cover we'll briefly 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.560 interview the auctioneer, ask these questions and then have a 0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:27.239 live auction house of oddities. 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.600 So, so are we going to get like one hundred 0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.800 people on on a phone call and they're all gonna 0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:33.959 raise their virtual hand? Is that what you're saying? 0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:37.120 Or that's why I'm asking about the technology on it? 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.320 Can we figure figure something out? 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:40.400 Yeah? 0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:42.400 Yeah, that's how they do a lot of the like 0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:44.400 art auctions, there will be a live audience, but then 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.160 they'll also take online bid so you call in, you 0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:49.560 actually call in or I guess some of them they 0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:53.239 have like a like an eBay style like bid so 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:54.200 you could totally do it. 0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:56.319 Yeah, a lot of fun. 0:42:56.360 --> 0:43:01.359 Man, No, Chuck, I don't want to cry. But are 0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:05.719 you I'm gonna leave this subject after this. So you 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:07.719 have it? Is it up right now? Could people go 0:43:07.840 --> 0:43:09.440 on there and like bid on it? Or are you 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.040 just trying to do like a private sale? 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.080 No, I mean it's I just have it. You have 0:43:14.239 --> 0:43:15.400 and it is for sale. 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:17.680 You're not in a huge rush. No okay, No, you 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.160 didn't submit it to an auction house. No, no, no, no, no. 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:23.719 So it's if somebody wants to buy it, contact me. 0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:24.719 No, that's kind of. 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.840 I got a I got a style question for you. No, 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.200 pintails have a big long tail, hence the name pintail. 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.799 Did you what was your idea to have it be 0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:42.359 that the pin that the tail collides with the edge 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.879 of the painting, and that the bird doesn't have room. Well, yeah, 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:47.439 why didn't you nudge him forward inch? 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:51.480 Because now I was worried about the spacing between the 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.239 bill and the edge of the painting, and so I'm 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.719 trying to like gauge, you know. And I looked at 0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.920 past pintail winners and some of them are just playing 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:00.839 cut the tail off. 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.399 So I was trying to figure out how to fit 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:05.920 barely the full. 0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.360 Tail and you know, the whole bird within the painting 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:13.279 without I guess, making it, you know, compositionally weak. So 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:16.160 I was I just did my best to angle it. 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.759 I wanted a little bit of space between the bill 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.640 and the edge of the painting, and then so I 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.080 just squeezed it in the. 0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:25.560 Want to because because you want to have like, you 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.640 wanted to have the bird really fill the frame, right, 0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:30.640 so it's seven by ten, and you wanted a lot 0:44:30.680 --> 0:44:32.680 of bird, and then you got this kind of bird 0:44:32.719 --> 0:44:34.840 with a weird. 0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:35.400 Yeah, but it's hard, and you know, and from the 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:38.600 side they have one of the longest side profiles, and 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:39.799 it's like it doesn't really fit. 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:43.120 So you had to really shrink the bird down to 0:44:43.160 --> 0:44:45.880 include the big long tail coming out the back, right. Yeah. 0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.040 And I mean now you're getting into all the nuances 0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:50.680 of like the artist's decisions. I have to make to 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:51.120 try and. 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:52.239 I have so many questions about it. 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:54.560 Get a judge to you know, try to win over 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:55.280 a judge. 0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:55.600 Yeah. 0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:57.680 Well, good thing you didn't do it flying, otherwise you 0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:58.800 would take up the whole thing. 0:44:59.000 --> 0:44:59.560 Right, I mean? 0:44:59.800 --> 0:44:59.960 Yeah? 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:03.360 And how tough? How tough was it to mail the 0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:07.560 did you hand deliver? You mailed the original. 0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:09.240 Out, wrap it up like a you know, bomb proof 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:10.640 and send it overnight? 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:11.520 How tough that? 0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:12.440 I mean? 0:45:12.520 --> 0:45:14.840 I'm used to it now. That's I mail all my 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.239 artwork pretty much. So we've got to I have a 0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:23.560 system down to package for shipping, mailing the kid somewhere. 0:45:23.680 --> 0:45:27.040 Yeah. It is stressful, very stressful. 0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:31.120 Yeah, yeah, imagine. Yeah. I got in a big fight 0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.680 with Clay, our body Clay one time because we were 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:35.479 looking at a painting and we were arguing about whether 0:45:35.520 --> 0:45:39.319 it was the morning or night mm hmm, so much 0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:42.360 so that we eventually had to go to the artist 0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.960 and he said it was night, which he like kind 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:47.120 of messed up because it was actually the morning. 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.440 You wouldn't, you, guys, wouldn't. 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.000 The artist told you it was the night and you 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:51.839 said he was wrong? 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:52.080 You were? 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:56.600 Like I think about that a lot too, Like if 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:58.960 I have the sun coming from one angle and if 0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.080 there's a storm in the sky, I I mean most 0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.640 of the time it's coming from west to east. And 0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.439 so if you have the light coming from the right 0:46:06.680 --> 0:46:10.279 or whatever, and that would indicate like evening. But if 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:12.760 you're the light coming from the other way, it should 0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:14.319 be you should be facing south. 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:17.200 And yeah, well these guys look to me like they're 0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:19.560 riding out in the morning. Yeah, Clay felt look like 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.200 they're riding back home at night. And I was like, yeah, 0:46:23.200 --> 0:46:24.640 because if you're coming in at night, you know it. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:26.160 Just they didn't look like that. They looked like they 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:27.160 were just getting going. 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.760 Yeah, So is this this morning or evening morning? 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:32.640 I was gonna say that's where I had. 0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:36.240 Yeah, this is morning. Don't even try some bullshit. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:42.080 So that the background of that is the Centennial Valley. 0:46:42.120 --> 0:46:44.719 That's the Red Rocks Refuge. But they only had a 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:46.800 die cut for one way, so they had to flip 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.440 the background on the carrier, so it's actually backwards. 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:51.600 You explain that to me again. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:56.320 So the carrier, which is what the dollar bill sheet 0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.000 that the stamp comes on. The artists can design that, yes, 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.480 and so the background you got to design. 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.359 This, yes, Yeah, So that was gonna be my question. 0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:05.640 So you win, and then you have to did you 0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.480 have to paint that after paint. 0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:09.279 A whole another damn dark? 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:11.720 It's optional, but I mean, I'm not going to pass 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:12.600 up with the opportunity. 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:15.480 So it's if you flip it. 0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.840 That's the background that overlooks the refuge down at Red Rocks. 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:22.359 And they only had a die cut where they could 0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:25.399 put the stamp on the right side, and so being 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.120 that I put the bird, they had to flip it. 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:29.600 Yeah. 0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.279 Yeah, man, you know what, now I feel bad because 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.560 when I buy these, I always just peel that sticker 0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.920 off and throw that out right. Yeah. I never knew 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:37.439 I was thrown out. I've never even looked to see 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:38.520 that I was thrown out art. 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:40.759 Yeah, okay, I'll sign it for you now, now you'll 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:41.239 hang on to it. 0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:42.960 You sign that right now for me? Yeah? Yeah. 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.320 And another element of the duck stamp. Tell me about 0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:48.480 the remark on the back. So another part of the 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.839 competition is the sketch on the back, right, And that's 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:52.640 a different winner. 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:53.200 Yeah. 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.360 And that's Kira who is popular on TikTok and she 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.560 started her duck stamp journey a few years back. And 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:02.200 so they pick like a you know, different artists every 0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.600 year to do the they get highlight you know, like 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.240 maybe up and coming artists or whatever. 0:48:06.320 --> 0:48:07.239 So yeah, she did that. 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:10.480 Do you know any of the stats on on duck stamps, 0:48:10.520 --> 0:48:13.360 like how many? How many? You know? I know that 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:14.440 they sell about a million? 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:16.080 Right, yeah, a million and a half. 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.919 And what are they charging this year? Twenty twenty five? 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:23.640 For it's been twenty five for I want to say, 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.359 almost ten years now, hasn't Oh was. 0:48:25.280 --> 0:48:27.040 It that long ago they raised it? Well, yeah, I 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:30.080 remember everybody had a fit when they raised it. Yeah, 0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.600 but then it woant being that adjustment for inflation, it 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:34.920 was still less expensive than when it was launched. 0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.799 And they just surpassed a billion dollars raised in the 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:39.000 program's history. 0:48:39.680 --> 0:48:42.680 So yeah, and then and then like ninety percent of 0:48:42.680 --> 0:48:43.960 that goes the wetlands, right. 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:47.040 I think ninety eight percent of every dollar. 0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:49.799 Yeah. Yeah, that's why you buy so many. 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:52.960 Max got to give it back somehow, sure, man. 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:55.200 Yeah, yeah, can you sign the Yeah, don't sign the 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:56.720 fronts and it looks like you're the one hunting. 0:48:57.640 --> 0:48:58.480 Yeah, I can do with that. 0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.560 Yeah, tell me about the life of an artist, man 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:04.680 like you don't just. 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.439 Do this, right, Yeah, I just paint. 0:49:07.600 --> 0:49:09.279 No, I mean you don't just know, you don't just 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.040 live to like paint your one ducky year. 0:49:11.520 --> 0:49:13.480 No, there's more to it, no, I mean. 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.960 It's as an artist for me, well, like what art 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.520 means to me is like storytelling. I think of it 0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:23.600 like conservation storytelling. So without the story, there's not a 0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:26.480 painting for me, like it, I have a hard time 0:49:27.120 --> 0:49:30.399 getting excited about the painting work. Like to me, that's 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:31.440 the work part of it. 0:49:31.640 --> 0:49:31.920 Yep. 0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:35.080 Just being outside. 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:38.680 And experiences while doing all the things we love, that's 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:42.120 what gets me fired up. And so now I've started 0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.360 to journal and that helps me, you know, like articulate 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:46.200 the stories that I. 0:49:46.160 --> 0:49:46.760 Want to convey. 0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:47.239 M h. 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.760 And I guess that's like how each piece is born. 0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.880 And so I usually start with like an idea for 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.000 a story. Then I'll try to like hunt for the 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.520 reference that I need piece to like how am I 0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:00.799 going to piece this together? And then that's how like 0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:04.759 each painting starts to develop. So like I struggle with 0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:07.080 custom work, and that's why I don't do that anymore 0:50:07.120 --> 0:50:09.720 because it's I mean, it's it's. 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:10.480 A labor, you know. 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.440 And the only way that I can push myself through 0:50:14.480 --> 0:50:16.640 it is to really be excited about it, and so 0:50:16.680 --> 0:50:18.480 it has to have like a lot of personal meaning 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:18.719 to me. 0:50:19.120 --> 0:50:21.279 So with custom work, it just doesn't hit you, like 0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:23.160 you just don't know where it's coming from. 0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.960 Sometimes, Yeah, I think there's like, from my perspective, there's 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:29.400 like two types of artists. There's the artist that really 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:33.480 gets excited about the art work itself and then all 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:37.000 the you know, the way paint manipulates with different types 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:42.160 of service surfaces and mediums and whether it's different drawing 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:44.840 materials and you know, and they just love that work 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:47.000 and so you ask them to do a custom painting, 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:48.920 They're like, you're gonna pay me to do what I 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:49.640 love so much. 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.040 And then there's. 0:50:50.880 --> 0:50:54.880 The artist that I feel like has a true passion 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.520 outside of the work of painting itself, and it's a 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.640 lot hard for them to do something that doesn't like 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.600 come from, you know, what's like natural to them or 0:51:05.600 --> 0:51:07.160 what they experience or whatever. 0:51:07.200 --> 0:51:09.080 And so I feel like I'm more of the latter. 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:13.920 That's an interesting distinction. Yeah, how do you decide on 0:51:13.920 --> 0:51:14.520 what pose? 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:18.799 And did you at one point were you painting that 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:21.359 from the very beginning. Is there more than one? 0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:24.319 Do you do? You you wadded up. 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:26.360 And throw it in the trash and start over, or 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:28.400 how did you decide on that? What's the process of 0:51:28.440 --> 0:51:28.719 doing that? 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:31.520 So it's changed a lot over time. I mean when 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:35.920 I started out, it was very simple and just like, oh, 0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.239 I think this would be great, and then I paint it. 0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:43.920 I don't feel like I understood composition as much early on. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.759 This was the first stamp that I really took my 0:51:47.880 --> 0:51:53.160 time studying what makes our eyes attracted to certain things visually? 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:56.080 And so I, you know, started studying like the Fibonacci 0:51:56.160 --> 0:51:58.320 sequence and that golden ratio. 0:51:58.440 --> 0:51:59.919 Well, tell me what that is, they will fill. 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:01.960 Yeah, So Fibonaci. 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:08.480 He was a mathematician, I don't know, like fourteen hundreds 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:10.400 or sixteen. I mean this is way back when, and 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:13.240 they started to figure out that there was a sequence 0:52:13.280 --> 0:52:18.160 of numbers like zero in one equal two, and then 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:21.279 two and one are three, and then three and two 0:52:21.360 --> 0:52:25.040 are five and five and three are eight, and they 0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.120 started to realize that this was their way of trying 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:31.279 to figure out math. And it was a I think 0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:35.400 based off of like a Romans maybe Roman numerals or something, 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.600 and they started to figure out that nature exhibited this 0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.839 very sequence of numbers, and so like, for instance, if 0:52:41.880 --> 0:52:44.399 you look down a branch of a tree, you'll see 0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:48.759 that each leaf follows as it you know, projects out 0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:52.040 of the branch, it follows that spiral yep, And it's 0:52:52.080 --> 0:52:54.959 the exact same pattern or like a galaxy in the sky, 0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:55.520 the way it. 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.919 Swirls snail shells a nail s yep. 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.680 And so they started to figure out that this was 0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:08.840 something that nature exhibited everywhere, and then artists caught onto that, like, 0:53:08.880 --> 0:53:11.560 well we should start composing our paintings that way. And 0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:13.480 that's when you think of like the old masters and 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:16.200 like why were that era there was an error where 0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:20.000 artwork exploded and it was just you know, amazing compared 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:21.960 to what it was previously done. And they started to 0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:25.960 incorporate this mathematical sequence into their paintings and like how 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.560 to position based on you know, this is the edges 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.200 of the painting. We want to put it a certain 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.399 distance across from one direction from the other, and that 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.680 you know, aligned with that sequence of numbers. And so 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:42.839 that's how they started to figure out, like, and that's 0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.440 what we consider like compositional rules today. 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:47.000 And like art academia and things. 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.600 So I started to study that and started to figure 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:52.360 out like how to position the head of the bird, 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.239 where to put it, different things like that. 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:57.880 And are you classically trained? Did you go to art school? No, 0:53:58.760 --> 0:53:59.839 this is all research You've done. 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.160 Yourself, right, So, yeah, like that have you heard of 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:02.560 that before? 0:54:03.800 --> 0:54:07.759 Yeah, it's art. You know, a lot of composing a 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.239 painting is math. And the role of thirds for photography, 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.680 like it's all just anything visual does take a lot 0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:18.200 of you know, compositional math. And I don't know if 0:54:18.200 --> 0:54:19.920 they teach that, and I didn't go to arts. 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:21.920 I think, I mean, I think it's pretty common knowledge. 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:23.239 A lot of people know about this. 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:27.880 It's it's harder to implement than it is to understand it. 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:30.680 And I mean because then you're there's just so many 0:54:30.719 --> 0:54:33.160 things when you're trying to paint a picture that come 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.360 up that make it difficult. But yeah, like I really 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.200 started to think about things like that, So, like back 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:42.879 to your question. This year, I had like a very 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.680 strict system of like Okay, I'm going to think about 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:47.399 the rule of thirds, I'm going to think about where 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:48.400 the horizon should be. 0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:50.719 I'm going to do a large duck to keep it 0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:51.600 big so that. 0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:56.080 I wasn't giving a judge a reason to vote it out, 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.840 because sometimes you make too many. You may make a 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.000 pair of birds and they become too small, and then 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.640 judges might think, well when you shrink it down, it 0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.240 might not fit on a stamp. Well, so there's different 0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:08.759 things like that. So I'm like, I'm gonna keep it 0:55:08.760 --> 0:55:11.359 one bird, and I'm going to really study all these 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:15.719 what art professionals considered, like the rules of composition, and 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:17.879 I'm going to try my best to implement them all. 0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.600 Which is funny that this was the year that I 0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:23.040 won and it paid off. Not only that, but I 0:55:23.040 --> 0:55:25.319 mean I've never came close, you know, So. 0:55:25.400 --> 0:55:29.160 Really I have one more like nerdy art question and 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:36.600 then I'll questions, so the how close in your reference 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:42.600 material is the color theory? So like did you were 0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:44.600 you going off of the time of day and color 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:46.560 or did you tweak the colors at all? Because I 0:55:46.680 --> 0:55:48.960 just so I really love to color. 0:55:49.080 --> 0:55:51.720 I kind of make up the background colors a lot. 0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:54.279 That's just something that I really like to do. But 0:55:54.320 --> 0:55:57.920 that was also you know, if I'm painting a detailed picture, 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.840 like the background of the carrier, I might try and 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:06.040 use photos to follow what's true to life, you know, 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.120 more accurately. But then on the stamp, I'm like, I'm 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:10.160 gonna make him look like he's in a portrait studio. 0:56:10.600 --> 0:56:12.560 And so I just kind of like pulled some colors 0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:14.240 out and it was like, I think this would compliment 0:56:14.880 --> 0:56:18.240 you know, the the the reddish brown of the head, 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:20.400 make it somewhat blue, but you want to keep it warm, 0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.479 so I use like purples and pinks, and I thought 0:56:23.480 --> 0:56:26.359 that would like be a good contrast against like the 0:56:26.400 --> 0:56:29.719 brown of the bird. So yeah, it was mostly made 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:31.719 up the background itself, and then the color. 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:33.400 You did a good job because the color really stands 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:35.480 out to me, Yeah, thank you, gorgeous. 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:38.040 It does, and it's not you know, iridescent green like 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.200 a Mallard's head or something. So it seems like it 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:44.080 would be a challenge in itself doing like a you know, 0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:47.160 you got a white and then gray and then brown 0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:47.880 with that pintae. 0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.560 Yep, personally, I think the pintail is one of the prettiest. Yeah, 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.480 I mean, just with that chocolate head too. 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:57.120 Right, well, and then so what's funny, you know, and 0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.160 that's obviously that's like a lot of people's favorite bird. 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:03.280 But what when I started studying like these compositional rules, 0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:07.160 that golden spiral that we talked about, it actually fits 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.920 perfectly on a pintail's head, the way that the white 0:57:10.120 --> 0:57:13.080 swirls up into the head. And then I started wondering, 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.319 I'm like, maybe that, like, is that part of the 0:57:15.320 --> 0:57:18.520 reason why so many people are attracted to this species 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:21.240 of bird. It's because it's just like it's like the 0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:24.640 perfect example of nature at its finest. You know. 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.680 For me as a hunter, it was always like the 0:57:27.720 --> 0:57:31.720 golden goose egg that like, yeah, like pintails take a 0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.720 long time to fully plume out during the fall, and 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.880 it's like all these southern states in the Western States 0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:41.520 get these pin full plumed pintails all the time. Growing 0:57:41.560 --> 0:57:44.280 up in North Dakota, I was just shooting brown ducks 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:49.200 the whole time, and like it was like a prized item, 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.680 shooting one in December it being fully plumed out, and 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.680 we would only get like a couple maybe a couple 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:58.280 of year, right, So it's just like a cherry on top, Yeah, 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:01.360 like it was. I was the it's a rare, Yeah, 0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:02.439 it's away so cool. 0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:07.080 I think that you're maybe because it's like the duck stamp, 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:10.000 but I feel like it's more it's more kind of 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:12.960 conservative than your normal paintings. 0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:13.920 It is. 0:58:14.000 --> 0:58:16.480 Yeah, and they make you tone it way down, uh, 0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:19.880 not make you right you, I mean you can't have 0:58:19.920 --> 0:58:24.760 like you can't it can't be like loud and surprising. 0:58:25.520 --> 0:58:28.920 Yeah, I mean you can take the chance, but that's Yeah, 0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.000 it's like a lot of times when you try. 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.919 That, that's the quickest way to get voted out. 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:34.720 So it's I don't know, but maybe some you just 0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:36.480 never know who the people are going to be. And 0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:39.600 that's these people that have been entering it since the eighties. 0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:41.640 I'll just tell you it doesn't matter how good it is, 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.800 because you get one person that is like, well, I 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:45.600 hate pentails. 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:47.240 My favorite duck is the spoon bail. 0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:50.600 Yeah. That's because they could just they could throw you 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:52.040 out for this arbitrary. 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.080 I mean that, Yeah, they could give you a one 0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:55.000 out of five just cut. I mean, so it's it's 0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:55.720 up to the end. 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.000 That's kind of a reason why they don't tell you 0:58:58.080 --> 0:59:01.320 who is the judges, right, so you don't paint towards 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:03.120 their Yeah, favorites. 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.440 I don't Yeah, how did you find out that you won. 0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:09.840 So they stream it live, so so everybody, yeah, everybody listening. 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:12.200 Yeah yeah. 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:14.480 And so my wife was actually gone on vacation, so 0:59:14.560 --> 0:59:16.640 I was home alone and I'm just like sitting in 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:21.840 my bed vacation. You're like, no, yeah, and uh so 0:59:21.920 --> 0:59:25.600 I'm just watching and and you know, I have made 0:59:25.640 --> 0:59:28.760 it to the second round before. But then in the 0:59:28.800 --> 0:59:31.720 second round, I tied for first with one person who 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:33.960 you know, you can kind of tell whose painting is 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.240 who once you really start following these artists, like you 0:59:36.240 --> 0:59:39.560 can see their style in the painting, and so I 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.800 knew who the artist was, and I tied going into 0:59:42.800 --> 0:59:44.720 the third round, and then they're like, all right, no, 0:59:44.880 --> 0:59:46.720 we're going to break for lunch and we'll see you 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:49.040 in an hour. And I just like, I mean, i 0:59:49.080 --> 0:59:51.280 was pacing, like my heart rates started going. 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:52.560 I'm just like I would have loved to be a 0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:54.600 fly on the wall during this watching you. 0:59:55.760 --> 0:59:59.680 Yeah, and then I want there was a two judge. 0:59:59.680 --> 1:00:02.840 There's I think just one judge that changed their mind 1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:05.480 in the final round and they switched his entry from 1:00:05.560 --> 1:00:08.840 like a five to a four, and that's how I won. 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.240 With that more guy changed their mind. 1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:15.280 Yeah, Well, because like you know that from the second 1:00:15.400 --> 1:00:18.080 round score that they gave in the final round, they 1:00:18.280 --> 1:00:19.880 decided to take a point away. 1:00:21.040 --> 1:00:23.760 So and then and that's when you knew that you won. 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:28.760 Well, then that was probably there's twenty entries to judge 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.160 after that, so I had gotten the score and then 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:33.640 his was like basically right after and I was like, okay, 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.000 I'm in first now, and then there was there was 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:38.480 still some entries that were one point off or something 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:40.440 like that in the second round. So then you have 1:00:40.480 --> 1:00:41.440 to sit there and wait. 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.520 And then it comes doun like you just watching online? 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:44.959 Yeah, you can't go. 1:00:44.960 --> 1:00:46.000 There, you can. 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.520 I couldn't make it work last year. I really wanted to. 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:52.600 But yeah, so yeah, it was just a live feed 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:53.400 on YouTube. 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:55.360 Yeah, and then what. 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:56.040 Was your celebration? 1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.880 Yeah, were you like what that the panic attack? 1:00:59.600 --> 1:00:59.880 Jumping? 1:01:00.040 --> 1:01:04.680 Basically? Yeah, like yeah, did you break anything? I might have? 1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:08.120 Yeah? How many people were watching the live. 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:12.080 Uh, there's always I want to say five or six hundred. 1:01:12.200 --> 1:01:14.760 Maybe maybe that's a little bit high. I don't know, 1:01:15.360 --> 1:01:18.200 but you call your wife. Yeah, well they all, I 1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:21.160 mean everybody was watching wherever they were, so like yeah, 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:23.320 then my phone starts just going crazy and I'm like, 1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:25.640 I gotta let's get the call from them first, and 1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:27.440 then I'll talk to friends and family and. 1:01:27.440 --> 1:01:29.960 Yeah, wow, that's so exciting. 1:01:30.040 --> 1:01:32.640 Yeah so they called you, yeah, yeah, and what do 1:01:32.720 --> 1:01:35.240 they say? Congratulations? 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:37.840 Yeah, they assume you already knew. Yeah. 1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:40.880 Typically, like it's I think the most artists. 1:01:40.480 --> 1:01:42.960 Watch it now. That's kind of like a standard now. 1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:47.439 But yeah, it's pretty crazy, Like couldn't believe it at first. 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:53.000 So how much does how much does life change for 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.840 someone that gets that level of recognition, Like it's got 1:01:55.840 --> 1:01:58.320 to cause a lot of people to come, you know, 1:01:58.400 --> 1:02:00.240 a lot of people to start paying attention to your 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:01.960 wildlife art for a while, right. 1:02:02.160 --> 1:02:02.360 You know? 1:02:02.400 --> 1:02:05.720 And I yes, And you know, the biggest thing is 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:09.880 just like the ability to network has been amazing and 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:13.880 like meeting people and Ducks Unlimited and all these organizations 1:02:13.920 --> 1:02:16.520 and you know, creating new friends and connections and that's 1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:18.440 been awesome. And they, you know, they kind of have 1:02:18.760 --> 1:02:21.080 a tour for you. So you go to the Easton 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:25.400 Waterfall Festival in Maryland. Then I got an opportunity to 1:02:25.400 --> 1:02:28.920 go to the like the big National Delta event down 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:32.160 in Louisiana, and so just meeting people and networking that's 1:02:32.200 --> 1:02:35.520 been huge. But I mean, honestly, you win in September 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:38.000 and then the first day of sale is not until 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:41.680 June twenty eighth, so it's basically just a big lull. 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.240 And then even in I think it was like end 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:46.840 of July, I went all around town to any place 1:02:46.840 --> 1:02:50.520 that I could post office Sportsman's nob nobody even had 1:02:50.560 --> 1:02:52.920 them yet. So I mean, I think people are just 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.200 starting to purchase them now, and I am no. I mean, 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:59.360 there is definitely a lot more people kind of finding 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:02.080 me online and flowing my way, So it's I think 1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:04.720 it's probably at the beginning of that, just because it's 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:07.600 you know, hunting seasons still, I guess coming up for 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:08.200 a lot of people. 1:03:08.320 --> 1:03:11.000 So it's funny because it's a piece of artwork that 1:03:11.200 --> 1:03:13.240 so many people will buy, and they'll buy it and 1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:15.440 they're like, oh shit, I gotta run and get my 1:03:15.520 --> 1:03:19.360 duck stamp, you know, sign their wallet, and yeah, probably 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:24.400 many will probably not look at it. Yeah well, you know, 1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:26.360 I mean they look at it like a license, you 1:03:26.400 --> 1:03:27.920 know what I'm saying. They're gonna look at they look 1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:29.080 at it like a license. 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:30.840 And an art And now this is the first year 1:03:30.920 --> 1:03:32.960 that they have the East stamp. You've heard about this, 1:03:33.000 --> 1:03:36.560 so Congress passed I think in in May. So it's 1:03:36.600 --> 1:03:39.400 an E stamp, but they want it, you know, and 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:43.160 I think the the Duck Stamp Office probably advocated for 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:46.640 this too. They still wanted to have the physical as 1:03:46.760 --> 1:03:49.480 part of that aspect. So you buy the E stamp 1:03:49.600 --> 1:03:51.840 and then you get your physical in the mail in March, 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.440 and that's so that you don't have an E stamp 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:56.640 on your phone. And then you get the physical and 1:03:56.640 --> 1:03:58.320 you can give it away to your buddy or whatever. 1:03:58.760 --> 1:03:59.920 I see, so they send it. 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:01.840 They will, Yeah, they will. 1:04:02.120 --> 1:04:04.080 But I didn't know that that became a thing. The 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.680 Arkansas the states to him, Yeah, I know. I mean, 1:04:08.080 --> 1:04:09.960 I don't mean what states aren't E stamps. 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:14.360 And I got to say that like general consensus, especially 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:17.480 going to the Delta Expo. I mean, there's tens of 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:18.560 thousands of people there. 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.120 It was very obvious that everybody wanted this. 1:04:21.320 --> 1:04:24.120 So many hunters are like, thank god, we finally can 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.760 just buy one on the phone now, and like there's 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:30.200 such a pain to like sure, So definitely what the 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:31.640 majority of hunters I think, if. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:34.080 You decide you're going duck hunting at nine o'clock at night. 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:38.040 Right the next day and now nowhere to get I 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:39.440 think that was the main reason. 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:41.400 You know, I'm gonna tell you. I'm going to tell 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:45.840 you a duck stamp story. Remember earlier Max were talking 1:04:45.840 --> 1:04:50.120 about those rivers in Alaska, Okay, sitting at a launch 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:52.840 one time, coming back from duck hunting in Alaska, and 1:04:52.880 --> 1:04:56.040 we're just loading the boat up and there's like a 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:59.840 guy hanging around being like, oh, gee shucks, I never 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:04.920 seen a duck right, And all of a sudden we're 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:06.840 like shooting the shipping ball. Sudden he pulls his badge. 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:11.120 He's a trooper, an Alaska trooper. But it's his strategy 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.320 was just to act like a Gothen tourist, you know, 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.480 thinking that you're gonna be like, you think that's cool. 1:05:16.480 --> 1:05:20.960 Look at all this yeah, at all this crazy shit. 1:05:21.000 --> 1:05:21.240 I got it. 1:05:21.280 --> 1:05:26.680 I'm not supposed to have Anyways, that year almost got 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:29.240 in trouble, but wound up not getting trouble because that year, 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:31.920 like their Duxies and the Duxies in their opens early 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:38.160 and the state stamp, something wound up happening. The state 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:45.960 stamp was not available, was not available like fishing game 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:47.880 and no one had the state stamp, and we looked 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:49.560 and looked and looked, and they're like, the state stamps. 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:51.800 Something happened. The state stamp's not available. So we went 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:53.880 duck hunting and he's like, where's your state stamp? Like, 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:58.600 funny you ask it's not available. We were told it's 1:05:58.640 --> 1:06:00.880 not available, so we didn't. When when I'm not getting 1:06:00.880 --> 1:06:03.760 in trouble, he said, like, go get it when it's available. 1:06:04.160 --> 1:06:05.840 Interesting, Now, were. 1:06:05.720 --> 1:06:06.600 You sweating a little bit? 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:08.360 Yeah? Yeah, sweating a lot? 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:11.320 Yeah, I sweat a lot. 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:12.920 I felt that there would have been a big memo 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:16.080 out to all the enforcement people saying that one it's 1:06:16.200 --> 1:06:20.600 that we opened the season yeah, with no availability of 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:24.520 the thing, like you couldn't get it. Oh, I sweating 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:26.480 and bad. That seemed like a bad thing to get 1:06:26.480 --> 1:06:28.280 in trouble for. And then it caused me to question 1:06:28.320 --> 1:06:30.240 like were you really supposed to stay home? Like it 1:06:30.240 --> 1:06:33.920 felt weird that it's like the season but you can't 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:36.680 go because of So we just kind of felt like, well, 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:37.960 when it's available, we'll buy it. 1:06:38.520 --> 1:06:40.680 Hm. That's a tough one. 1:06:40.840 --> 1:06:42.880 That's a duck stamp story. That's the only duck damp 1:06:42.880 --> 1:06:43.680 story I got for you. 1:06:44.040 --> 1:06:47.200 I've got a couple of like not signing my stamp 1:06:47.840 --> 1:06:50.480 and then getting checked and like usually they're pretty good 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:52.160 about like, oh, just sign it, right. 1:06:52.760 --> 1:06:54.880 Yeah. So what we're talking about is when you buy 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:56.680 a Duck stamp for you people out there that don't 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:59.320 buy Duck stamps because you don't hunt ducks. One, if 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:00.160 you hunt ducks, yeah. 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:01.760 To buy the damn stamp, you should buy it anyway. 1:07:01.920 --> 1:07:05.560 Yeah, But the reason they signed it is they don't 1:07:05.560 --> 1:07:07.200 want you to be able to just lend your body 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:10.680 your your stamp, So they wanted like signed across the 1:07:10.760 --> 1:07:14.440 face and that becomes your stamp. And you can't like 1:07:14.640 --> 1:07:16.800 swap stamps because there's nothing on that has your you know, 1:07:16.840 --> 1:07:18.520 doesn't like it's not like made out to your name. 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:21.200 There's no serial numbers signed to you. So you you 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:25.800 you graffiti the artwork, You defame the art work with 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:26.280 your own. 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:29.560 Yeah, yeah, keep one for the you. 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:30.919 Know, always I keep all of the mine. 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:33.360 And I always thought about that because I'm gonna pass 1:07:33.400 --> 1:07:36.000 them down to my son and my grandchildren, and I 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:37.959 thought about I should buy two, and then I thought 1:07:38.000 --> 1:07:39.800 now that if it was me, I would want one 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:42.840 with my grandfather's signature, Yeah, So that's. 1:07:43.000 --> 1:07:45.160 I talked to a guy that had every stamp that 1:07:45.240 --> 1:07:47.920 his grandpa he started hunting when the first year of 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:49.920 the stamp came out, or he didn't start, but he 1:07:49.960 --> 1:07:52.680 had from nineteen thirty five or whatever. He had every 1:07:52.720 --> 1:07:55.440 stamp and then he gave up hunting. He was telling 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:58.280 me the story at the expo, and then he convinced 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:01.560 his grandpa to go out one more time, and you know, 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.000 he of course had saved them all, and so he 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:06.920 grandpa was like nineteen ninety two, He bought one more stamp, 1:08:07.080 --> 1:08:09.120 went out and then he got a picture of his 1:08:09.240 --> 1:08:12.320 bag limit of teal or something with his grandpa with 1:08:12.360 --> 1:08:13.840 a bird dog standing. 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:13.920 On the hill. 1:08:13.960 --> 1:08:15.840 And then he's got it framed with him in the center, 1:08:15.920 --> 1:08:18.519 and then all the stamps all the way around people. 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:19.800 Such the coolest thing. 1:08:19.960 --> 1:08:23.080 Yeah. Yeah, how avid of a duck hunter are you? 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:27.880 When I was a kid, I was, but archery has 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.680 won me over year by year. So but I mean, 1:08:30.760 --> 1:08:33.519 I love to go. It's to me, it's like that's 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:36.120 quality time with friends. And that's why I love to go. 1:08:36.200 --> 1:08:37.880 If you know you get the chance, yep. 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:41.000 So you're not you're not like a super dedicated waterfowl. 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:41.679 Hunter, not so much. 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:44.600 I mean anymore, I'm thinking about how to fill the 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:48.840 freezer the quickest way possible, and like, so that's I mean, 1:08:48.880 --> 1:08:51.599 that's always my first priority, which usually ends up taking 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:52.519 the entire fall. 1:08:52.680 --> 1:08:55.599 Yeah, cause you mean so you can have more time 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:58.280 to get back to your painting, right, yeah, And then 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:00.439 are you able to is that are you at a 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:03.120 point where you just are an artist and you're an artist, 1:09:03.680 --> 1:09:05.439 you don't do any kind of other work. Nope. 1:09:06.520 --> 1:09:09.120 I came here in twenty fifteen and just decided to 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:12.600 go for it, and it's been a rough road, but 1:09:12.680 --> 1:09:15.120 I mean, thankfully the internet has kind of helped out 1:09:15.320 --> 1:09:17.000 over the years, and that's kind of been like the 1:09:17.080 --> 1:09:17.640 avenue to. 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:21.400 Your YouTube page is unbelievable. Oh, thank you with I 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:24.479 mean thousands and thousands of followers. Yeah, but not to 1:09:24.520 --> 1:09:27.320 mention just hundreds of videos of just like the process 1:09:27.320 --> 1:09:29.599 of the painting and you actually did a cool painting 1:09:30.320 --> 1:09:32.280 behind the scenes of this stamp, right. 1:09:32.400 --> 1:09:36.160 Right, yeah, like kind of like the background story yep, yep. 1:09:36.240 --> 1:09:36.400 Yeah. 1:09:36.439 --> 1:09:39.160 And I mean I started the YouTube because I had 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:41.439 no money. I had like ran out first year I 1:09:41.439 --> 1:09:43.320 was here. I saved up what to do before. 1:09:43.360 --> 1:09:44.680 Sorry, I was a I. 1:09:44.640 --> 1:09:47.040 Went to school for wildlife biology, so I was a 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:51.880 wildlife tech for majority of my twenties. In seven years, 1:09:51.960 --> 1:09:54.360 I saved up like fifty five hundred dollars doing that, 1:09:54.400 --> 1:09:56.160 which so they don't. 1:09:55.920 --> 1:09:56.439 Pay a lot. 1:09:56.520 --> 1:09:58.000 But I was like, all right, this is maybe like 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:01.439 a year's worth to live off, and I went for it. 1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:03.840 And then of course I just flat out ran out 1:10:03.840 --> 1:10:06.000 of money, and then the YouTube was kind of like 1:10:06.000 --> 1:10:08.040 out of desperation, like, well, maybe I needed to like 1:10:09.040 --> 1:10:10.840 kind of do what Bob Ross did and maybe that 1:10:10.840 --> 1:10:14.800 would help. And so I literally started the YouTube as 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.720 like maybe this could help me financially, and then that 1:10:18.479 --> 1:10:20.760 you know, seeing response of other artists, and then other 1:10:20.800 --> 1:10:22.760 people thought it was interesting and it just kind of 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:25.439 like progressed from there. And then that's been like a 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:31.200 definitely a stability of the you know, making it as 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:31.719 an artist. 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:32.760 That's helped a lot. 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:34.640 If you took that head off with your hair, just 1:10:34.680 --> 1:10:35.720 go like. 1:10:39.720 --> 1:10:42.120 That's what I'm waiting, No, not quite. 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:46.000 How would you describe your style and your work outside 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:49.360 of the duck stamp paintings? 1:10:49.400 --> 1:10:53.200 Like I said earlier, I think of it as conservation storytelling, 1:10:53.360 --> 1:10:55.639 So you're doing so, And I mean, like I never 1:10:56.200 --> 1:10:59.280 I never dreamed of being an artist growing up. It 1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:02.640 was always like I wanted to do wildlife conservation and 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:07.799 so like anything that kept me outside around wildlife, just helping, 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:10.280 that was what I was passionate about. 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:10.720 And still am. 1:11:10.760 --> 1:11:15.280 And then through that, obviously I was entering the duck 1:11:15.320 --> 1:11:17.799 stamp and art was always an interest on the side, 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:20.960 and it had started growing. I started noticing that people 1:11:21.000 --> 1:11:24.400 took interest in it and they really started to engage 1:11:24.439 --> 1:11:26.680 with like the stories I was trying to convey, you know, 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.160 and I think back of like Terry Redlin was a 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:32.080 huge inspiration when I was a kid growing up in Minnesota, 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:36.760 and so like I think I started out trying to 1:11:36.760 --> 1:11:38.800 figure out how to tell stories like that, like how 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:40.639 did he how was he so good at telling stories? 1:11:40.640 --> 1:11:42.040 And how could I do that in my own way? 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:45.479 And once I started seeing people react to it and 1:11:45.520 --> 1:11:48.400 engage with it, and I started thinking like, maybe this 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:53.080 is a way to to further what I'd like to 1:11:53.120 --> 1:11:57.439 contribute to conservation by just getting people's attention, Like maybe 1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:59.920 sometimes you don't have to have a greater purpose other 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:04.000 than just engaging people and starting a conversation. So I thought, well, 1:12:04.040 --> 1:12:07.679 maybe I could tell stories around things that I really 1:12:07.720 --> 1:12:11.439 care about and that that would bring interest towards those subjects. 1:12:11.479 --> 1:12:14.600 And so that's where that's how I started. 1:12:14.280 --> 1:12:15.679 To think about my artwork. 1:12:15.720 --> 1:12:19.360 And then that you know a few years later, I 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:22.479 won the Colorado and the California Duck stamp, and then 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:24.320 that's when I was like, Okay, I got just give 1:12:24.360 --> 1:12:24.920 this a try. 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:28.000 Nice. Your pieces do have a really cool like narrative 1:12:28.040 --> 1:12:32.400 element where that includes all the elements like the landscape, 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:34.920 maybe even a little human element like a barn and 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:39.200 some of them, or like the obviously the wildlife. I 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.519 love that narrative aspect of your work. 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:46.759 Yeah, got some examples, Yeah, I can put on the screen. 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:50.120 So that's a yeah, that's amazing that. 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:53.080 That's a close up of one. And then the next one, 1:12:53.400 --> 1:12:55.400 which was the canue birds. 1:12:55.160 --> 1:12:58.680 Are in there just came max Is on it like 1:12:58.720 --> 1:12:59.800 the skies opened up. 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:03.000 Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's I'm not going to say 1:13:03.000 --> 1:13:06.400 what this painting is for just yet, but so those 1:13:06.439 --> 1:13:08.880 are kind of two close ups of the painting. But yeah, 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:11.360 it's a guy throwing decoys. 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.439 Out that looks like a Terry Redlin. 1:13:12.960 --> 1:13:18.320 Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I definitely was heavily inspired 1:13:18.320 --> 1:13:20.320 as a kid, and now now I'm trying to figure 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:20.680 out like. 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:22.559 How to how to find my own path. 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.519 And yeah, because I think, you know, he cared a 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:30.920 lot about family, for community values, religion. It was clear 1:13:31.520 --> 1:13:33.800 and while you know, being in the outdoors and so 1:13:34.320 --> 1:13:36.800 he obviously accomplished a lot with that. 1:13:36.800 --> 1:13:37.960 People still talk about it. 1:13:38.000 --> 1:13:39.880 And I mean he got his own museum now. 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.639 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want. 1:13:43.479 --> 1:13:46.040 To bad Yeah, very very cool. Yeah, yeah, I've heard. 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:49.960 Yeah, there's there's a mostly half done painting of some 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:52.080 big Bolsheviks man. 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:55.240 Yeah, and I think the next one shows the full 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:56.439 of what I'm working on. 1:13:56.479 --> 1:13:57.879 So that's on the easel currently. 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:00.960 That's what you're working weigh on right now. 1:14:01.720 --> 1:14:08.080 And you do so you do like an underpainting, Yeah yeah, 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:10.120 and so you know, like the underpainting is a lot 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:13.320 that's like the most common question is why orange and 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:13.920 why brown? 1:14:14.000 --> 1:14:17.240 And like, well, if you were to paint let's say, 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:20.320 like a window and you held it up to a light, 1:14:20.680 --> 1:14:22.040 you'd obviously see the light. 1:14:21.920 --> 1:14:22.559 Coming through it. 1:14:23.160 --> 1:14:25.840 So you're not just seeing the paint, You're seeing what's 1:14:25.880 --> 1:14:28.559 bouncing off underneath. And the light that's coming back through it. 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:31.200 So if it's a cold color or if it's white, 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:33.479 it's going to change how you perceive the color. 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:36.559 So what you're talking about is chuck something about then 1:14:37.120 --> 1:14:37.880 how to describe it? 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:38.599 The underpainting. 1:14:38.680 --> 1:14:43.160 Yeah, there's a painting that's half done. And then but 1:14:43.160 --> 1:14:45.519 but instead of having like a white, instead of painting 1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:48.120 on a white canvas, you go through and make it orange. 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:51.479 Yeah, And it depends what you're trying to accomplish. I 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:54.479 really prefer like the warmth of that. But I mean 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:57.320 that's like a cool nighttime scene. Some artists will want 1:14:57.320 --> 1:14:59.040 to do like a cooler color blue. 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:01.120 So there's paint for the painting. 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:02.679 You paint the canvas orange. 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:03.160 Yeah. 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:05.599 Yeah, Oh that's where I've gotten wrong all these years. 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:08.400 Start on white white? 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:09.080 Yeah? 1:15:11.840 --> 1:15:13.439 How old were you when you made your first painting? 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:17.040 My mom has a finger painting framed from when I 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:19.800 was like one and a half eighteen months or something. 1:15:19.520 --> 1:15:22.200 Like that, so she says, I started early, Okay, when 1:15:22.240 --> 1:15:22.760 did you start? 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:23.160 For real? 1:15:24.000 --> 1:15:27.479 It progressed. I don't know if I could. I started painting. 1:15:28.080 --> 1:15:31.720 I mean I progressed through drawing my whole childhood, and 1:15:31.720 --> 1:15:34.479 then the colored pencils, and then I dove into painting 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:36.439 when I really got interested in the duck snap because 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:38.760 I kind of, oh, no, kid, you know, because you 1:15:38.800 --> 1:15:41.760 know that it's like, well, nothing but color has ever 1:15:41.840 --> 1:15:46.400 really won post nineteen fifty or something. So I knew 1:15:46.439 --> 1:15:48.120 I had to figure out how to paint and how 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:49.799 to do color if I wanted to compete. 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:50.880 So that I think it. 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:55.120 Was twenty years old, twenty one, and I decided to 1:15:55.120 --> 1:15:56.520 pick up paints. 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:58.760 Is this oil or acurlic? 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:00.000 It's oil soil? 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:05.720 Can you pick paying that picture over behind you? That's 1:16:05.720 --> 1:16:06.479 a work of art. 1:16:07.520 --> 1:16:08.080 How many. 1:16:09.640 --> 1:16:15.240 Ways can you paint? Like Kelsey said, oil, acrylic, there's watercolor. 1:16:14.680 --> 1:16:16.200 Watercolor, gash. 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:20.599 Those are kind of the main ones. Yeah, Like there's 1:16:20.640 --> 1:16:23.880 not too many people, I don't think as artists. 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:27.240 Can you guys critique this? This is? This is a 1:16:27.280 --> 1:16:31.240 paint a picture by Clay Nuke. It's a future man? 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:33.040 Is that daytime or night time? 1:16:34.360 --> 1:16:37.760 Mid day? It's a future man? Or the machine gun 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:42.479 like some kind of future space alien or the machine 1:16:42.479 --> 1:16:44.599 gun he's getting charged by a wild hog. 1:16:45.320 --> 1:16:48.719 That sums up my childhood artwork style. 1:16:48.800 --> 1:16:53.920 Oh yeah, yeah, they're still hoping, so does if you 1:16:54.000 --> 1:16:55.720 if you didn't know anything about this artist, would you 1:16:55.760 --> 1:16:58.519 would you see a demonstration of raw talent or do 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:00.240 you just see juvenile you? 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:02.760 You know, I think it's like a combination of an 1:17:02.840 --> 1:17:04.680 unhealthy obsession and persistence. 1:17:04.720 --> 1:17:07.759 That ray bays in that picture. 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:15.120 I'm giving that a oh that's out when I was looking. 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:17.479 You know how little kids always have like what they draw. 1:17:18.960 --> 1:17:25.240 I would draw, uh, amphibious assaults, okay, And I would 1:17:25.320 --> 1:17:31.920 draw large large planes, Indian encampments. Oh so I'd do 1:17:32.040 --> 1:17:34.280 like a landscape, and then I would just fill it 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:36.360 with teepees, lots. 1:17:36.040 --> 1:17:40.640 Of around both men. You'll find one of those, and. 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:45.000 A signature, like a signature of my amphibious insalts would 1:17:45.040 --> 1:17:49.760 be I like to specialize in shattering glass. These amphibious 1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:53.080 vehicles I did had a window that was susceptible to 1:17:53.800 --> 1:17:56.799 an outward chatter for whatever reason, and that would denote 1:17:56.840 --> 1:18:00.240 like a certain amount of peril and gunplay happening, any 1:18:00.360 --> 1:18:02.400 amphibious assaults. But then I gave up on that, never 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:05.720 did any more art done. Yeah, I don't know what 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:06.880 was your thing when you were a kid. 1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:10.280 It was I mean, honestly, it was therapy for me 1:18:10.439 --> 1:18:12.280 because I hated being in the classroom. 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:12.639 Huh. 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:15.320 I mean I grew up in a with parents that 1:18:15.400 --> 1:18:18.479 had me outdoors from the very start. My parents were 1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:21.240 competitive archer archers, and so they had a bow and 1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:22.679 arrow in my hands since I was two. 1:18:22.960 --> 1:18:23.800 You were supposed to do that. 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:27.599 Yeah, and then uh, you know, like going on canoe 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:31.080 trips to the Canadian wilderness Quetico since I was six, 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:35.240 And I mean that's just what like I was infatuated with. 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:39.439 And then when I got to like kindergarten elementary, I 1:18:39.479 --> 1:18:42.320 hated everything about it and I struggled in school. Like socially, 1:18:42.840 --> 1:18:45.240 I did not have a great time making friends, and 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:47.360 so to get through my days, I would just fill 1:18:47.400 --> 1:18:50.200 my notebooks with sketches. And that's I feel like where 1:18:50.240 --> 1:18:52.960 it started. And just like combat sketches or you doing 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:54.320 wildlife everything. 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:57.400 Yeah, and then and then it's like teacher caricatures. 1:18:57.560 --> 1:19:00.280 I started to focus more on wildlife when I got 1:19:00.280 --> 1:19:03.439 to like middle school, high school, and I would start 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:04.920 to hand them out to my friends. So like all 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:08.439 the lockers of friends I had would have like my 1:19:08.560 --> 1:19:09.400 drawings in there. 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:10.799 And then I became known. 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:13.160 As like the kid that did caricatures of the teachers 1:19:13.760 --> 1:19:16.640 in the back, and yeah. 1:19:16.240 --> 1:19:19.120 At what age were you known among your bodies as 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:20.360 a like a good artist. 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:26.120 I don't think until probably college that I really started 1:19:26.160 --> 1:19:27.920 to progress with it, because I mean it was just 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:31.080 something I did just to get through my days prior 1:19:31.120 --> 1:19:34.679 to that. And then I'll never forget the senior year 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:36.599 in high school. You know, you have like an art 1:19:36.600 --> 1:19:39.160 class that you can take, and they had given the 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:41.240 students the opportunity to just do whatever you want to 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:42.920 do for your final project. And I did like some 1:19:43.000 --> 1:19:45.040 duck hunters and a blind or something like that, and 1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:46.760 the teacher was like, you could sell that. When I 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.439 was presenting it, and I remember all the kids were 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:52.760 like eyebrows high, like giving me a nod, and I'm like, 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:58.320 really like hung. So I opened an eBay account that 1:19:58.400 --> 1:20:00.720 next month, and so then we're out of school for 1:20:00.760 --> 1:20:04.080 the summer and I put a grizzly bear drawing on 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:06.560 eBay and it sold for eighty bucks and that was 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:08.280 the first time I made money of my art. 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:10.080 And it was actually, you're kidding me. 1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:13.400 It was actually my mom's boss that bought it. But 1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:14.599 I mean that was it. 1:20:14.840 --> 1:20:17.320 That was like, I mean, game changer for me. Because 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:19.880 then I realized like maybe I could do something with this, 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:21.880 and at the time it was like I'm gonna do 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:24.519 it on the side. That was my spending money in college. 1:20:25.920 --> 1:20:29.360 And I told my dad, I think first year after college, 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:31.160 was like, can I just try this over the summer, 1:20:31.200 --> 1:20:33.040 And He's like, in the first month, if you can 1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:35.400 make as much as I think you could make, like 1:20:35.479 --> 1:20:38.760 doing landscaping you did the year prior, like, I'll let 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:40.320 you do it, you know, and you can live at 1:20:40.320 --> 1:20:42.680 home or whatever. And so I did. I mean that's 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:45.720 when I started heavy on pet portraits and I got 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:46.599 enough pet portraits. 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:49.120 How I made, you know, I made. 1:20:49.080 --> 1:20:52.360 Enough, and then that became kind of like the thing 1:20:52.400 --> 1:20:53.840 I did on the side ever since. 1:20:54.840 --> 1:20:58.720 So, so you when you were little, like looking back 1:20:58.760 --> 1:21:01.960 on it, you had an artist meant you were like 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:03.599 an artist without knowing you were an artist. 1:21:03.800 --> 1:21:06.639 Sure, yeah, Like I was always attracted to it, whether 1:21:06.680 --> 1:21:08.439 I knew it or not. And it was never like 1:21:08.880 --> 1:21:12.000 super intentional, but it was just it was a form 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:14.360 of expression. If I was a board, yeah, I just 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:15.840 had to do something with my hands. 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:22.120 Yeah yeah. Uh. Now do you selling galleries or mostly online? 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:23.640 If people want to go look at your paintings. I mean, 1:21:23.680 --> 1:21:24.960 you got an awesome website. 1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:26.000 Yeah, think you. 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:29.599 I mean it's all online right now. And that has 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:32.479 just been the result of you know, when I moved here, 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:35.280 I thought, maybe this is a great place to get 1:21:35.360 --> 1:21:37.479 involved in the art community. It seems like it's, you know, 1:21:37.520 --> 1:21:40.320 like a thriving art scene. And of course I had 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:43.559 my resume was I was a wildlife tech and I 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.760 love to paint, and that didn't fly with anybody, so 1:21:46.840 --> 1:21:49.960 I could not break into the scene. But then that 1:21:50.400 --> 1:21:52.800 pushed me to to really go on. 1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:55.360 You couldn't break into the art scene, yeah. 1:21:55.200 --> 1:21:57.320 Like galleries or anything like does it not going to 1:21:57.400 --> 1:21:59.679 art school or what was the reason? 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:02.280 I mean, I think, I think. I think they do 1:22:02.640 --> 1:22:05.400 value of a resume a lot, for like in galleries, 1:22:05.400 --> 1:22:07.680 because I mean that's how they sell to people that 1:22:07.760 --> 1:22:10.080 don't know who the artists are in a gallery. I mean, 1:22:10.120 --> 1:22:14.479 they use It's not just a meritocracy, no, I it's it's. 1:22:14.320 --> 1:22:17.960 Near impossible for a budding artist to just walk into 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.479 a gallery and get picked up. It happens, but they're 1:22:21.520 --> 1:22:24.400 looking for people that have had success at a show 1:22:25.000 --> 1:22:26.479 or like a lot of galleries will pick up an 1:22:26.560 --> 1:22:29.000 artist that is has a career. 1:22:28.800 --> 1:22:34.000 Rolling the gallery right right. I remember when I was 1:22:34.200 --> 1:22:38.439 starting out writing. I remember there's a writer that said 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:41.120 to me, I don't remember what happened, like something I 1:22:41.120 --> 1:22:42.559 did or not. He goes, well, now you have like 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:43.719 the stamp on your forehead. 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:44.800 Yeah, Like what do you mean? 1:22:44.840 --> 1:22:49.559 He goes. You're like, you're now like, now everyone will 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:51.160 take you seriously when you go to sell your work. 1:22:51.200 --> 1:22:52.320 You need to prove yourself a little bit. 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:54.360 Yeah, He's like, but you can't. It doesn't matter what 1:22:54.400 --> 1:22:57.479 you write. You have to get up and get the stamp. Yeah, 1:22:57.520 --> 1:22:58.200 and then you're fine. 1:22:58.680 --> 1:22:59.519 That's pretty much it. 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:01.240 But the damp's got to be there or else no 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.960 one will even know. Your stuff could be great, but 1:23:04.000 --> 1:23:06.280 no one will know it because they don't see the stamp. 1:23:06.560 --> 1:23:09.479 Yeah. This is literally a big ass stamp. 1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:10.479 Ye. 1:23:12.120 --> 1:23:15.360 But I mean that that led me to push online, 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:18.519 you know, and that that that was twenty fifteen and 1:23:18.560 --> 1:23:20.240 so Instagram. 1:23:20.760 --> 1:23:21.439 I was telling. 1:23:21.280 --> 1:23:23.599 Kelsey that was like the first year that it really 1:23:23.640 --> 1:23:27.360 started taking off, and so I started getting traction on. 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:30.280 Basically I'd post anywhere I could on social media. When 1:23:30.760 --> 1:23:34.880 TikTok was musically, I saw some business guru online said 1:23:34.920 --> 1:23:37.000 you need a musically that's the future, and so I 1:23:37.880 --> 1:23:40.639 opened up a musically account, which was all just like 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:44.040 twelve and thirteen year old kids singing and dancing, no 1:23:44.120 --> 1:23:46.080 idea what to do with it, and I like posted 1:23:46.080 --> 1:23:50.080 a couple like revealed videos of like, hey, this is 1:23:50.120 --> 1:23:52.920 my newest painting and put like some pop song onto it, 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:55.280 and then it just took off, and then they changed 1:23:55.320 --> 1:23:59.240 to TikTok, and then TikTok became like the biggest way 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.240 to gain new clients for me in like previous like 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:03.200 recent years. 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:06.080 So when they keep talking about banning TikTok, you're sweating that. 1:24:07.040 --> 1:24:09.600 I mean, I've diversified enough where I you know, and 1:24:09.680 --> 1:24:10.760 I know how to do it now. 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:13.000 Like if it's not that, and it's the next thing. 1:24:12.960 --> 1:24:16.800 Those Chinese spying on your dunt painting? 1:24:17.560 --> 1:24:20.880 Does this name graceful anticipation? 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:26.720 What's the anticipating Max Max taking Max jump shooting them? 1:24:27.520 --> 1:24:30.960 So the story, like Max said, the video I posted 1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:33.640 of us going out and that back then, I was 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:36.800 just I love fiddling around with cameras and so I 1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:39.720 was just gathering videos and of course I love to 1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:43.080 video birds and stuff too. So when we had found 1:24:43.560 --> 1:24:47.240 this drake on this small pothole walking out every morning. 1:24:47.640 --> 1:24:50.559 We set up on it on the last morning, and 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:54.679 it was very evident after sitting there that morning that 1:24:55.200 --> 1:24:57.680 he would just be there right away at first light, 1:24:57.920 --> 1:24:59.920 and he would sit there and whistle shake the water 1:25:00.160 --> 1:25:02.479 until the hen showed up. And then the hen would 1:25:02.520 --> 1:25:04.559 show up, they'd go in the grass and do their thing, 1:25:04.600 --> 1:25:06.160 and then they'd be gone for the day and you'd 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:08.720 never see him again. So he's waiting for the hen 1:25:08.800 --> 1:25:13.960 to arrive. On the stamp, the carrier design is the 1:25:14.000 --> 1:25:17.160 moment that the hen is arriving. So the carrier painting 1:25:18.240 --> 1:25:22.280 full circle. Yeah, so graceful anticipation. And then the carrier 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:24.240 paintings is titled the Arrival. 1:25:24.600 --> 1:25:27.160 Wow, that's creative. 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:28.479 Yeah. 1:25:28.520 --> 1:25:32.439 You know Kelsey has a gallery. Yeah, I know, studio gallery. 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:33.760 Yeah, I have yet to walk in. 1:25:34.800 --> 1:25:40.360 Probably she might reject you, but maybe now ye stamp, 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:44.120 maybe I am, but maybe I do have some space. 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:49.000 It's I mean, it's a tough balance because now I've 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:54.360 established myself among many of of clients and collectors that 1:25:54.479 --> 1:25:57.559 I know personally, and I get the prices that I want. 1:25:57.800 --> 1:26:00.120 But then most galleries, if you do get in and 1:26:00.200 --> 1:26:03.360 they want fifty So then now how do you how 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:07.000 do you juggle that? I mean, do you double your prices? 1:26:07.000 --> 1:26:11.880 Because that doesn't seem you know, very moral and so yeah, 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:13.120 so it's yeah. 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:15.720 Do you have competitive terms at your gallery actually a 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:16.760 broker relationships. 1:26:17.880 --> 1:26:21.000 I moved the gallery away from a collaborative space to 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:23.920 all my own stuff now, so it's yeah, it's it's 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:24.479 back to just. 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:27.280 So studio galerries just you know this, Yeah, that's all 1:26:27.680 --> 1:26:28.799 just because you need more space. 1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.000 No, it's just I found that I brought in a 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:37.000 caliber of artists that deserved a different space. Like I'm 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:40.080 in three fourks. It's there's not exactly a huge art market. 1:26:40.160 --> 1:26:43.120 When people come to my studio and my gallery, they're 1:26:43.160 --> 1:26:46.360 there to see my work, and I was watching these 1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:50.080 amazing works to get a little overlooked. And you know, 1:26:50.080 --> 1:26:52.759 we had some great success there with the other artists, 1:26:52.800 --> 1:26:55.240 but they just and many of them have gone on 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:59.960 to get in like big gallery. So it just was 1:27:00.520 --> 1:27:03.280 like so good for them, I think, But it was 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:04.560 a great experience. 1:27:04.600 --> 1:27:07.519 And so studio a gallery as you can go, you'll 1:27:07.560 --> 1:27:10.200 be their working Yeah, yeah, and people can come see 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:11.160 your work there. Yep. 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:14.360 I'm open, you know, five days a week, and I'm 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:15.960 in there painting. You walk in, you see what I'm 1:27:16.000 --> 1:27:17.439 working on, and then you can walk through and see 1:27:17.479 --> 1:27:18.160 the rest of my works. 1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:19.120 Pretty fun. 1:27:19.280 --> 1:27:22.080 Yeah, that's what I need. I'm in a spare bedroom stuff. 1:27:25.240 --> 1:27:27.479 Well, man, I appreciate you coming on the show, dude. 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:28.560 Yeah, thank you. 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.720 You know what, we were right when it came out 1:27:30.720 --> 1:27:33.960 in the news, like, I don't know the hell when 1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:38.559 would have come out in the news, late September. Right away, Yeah, 1:27:38.680 --> 1:27:40.360 Krinn and I were like, man, we should get the 1:27:40.560 --> 1:27:42.759 guy that the Montana guy that won the duck stamp. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:46.400 But then Krin's like, we should wait till people start 1:27:46.400 --> 1:27:49.439 buying their ducks, you know. So we actually talked about 1:27:49.439 --> 1:27:51.960 doing this back then, but then Krinn was pointed out 1:27:52.040 --> 1:27:54.439 rightfully that no one can go get it. If you 1:27:54.479 --> 1:27:56.000 do it later, it'll be that it's like in your 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:58.160 wallet and you can pull it out of your wallet 1:27:58.600 --> 1:28:00.599 and be like, oh yeah shit, yeah, is a person 1:28:00.680 --> 1:28:01.760 a person painted that? 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:02.439 Great timing? 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:04.200 Yeah, like an artist who's trying to make it as 1:28:04.200 --> 1:28:07.240 an artist painted that. I'm gonna go get mine right 1:28:07.280 --> 1:28:09.080 after this dude fired up. 1:28:09.120 --> 1:28:12.280 Now, Yeah, can I just give a shout out to 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:15.280 the Junior Stamp contest because I know Karin mentioned it earlier. 1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:20.000 That's been a huge passion of mine because I'm sure 1:28:20.080 --> 1:28:22.280 a lot of your thought is how to bridge the 1:28:22.320 --> 1:28:25.120 gap and I think you've probably done a very good 1:28:25.200 --> 1:28:29.439 job at that between people that don't understand conservation and 1:28:29.560 --> 1:28:32.439 hunting and people that do, and how to, you know, 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:36.599 how to connect with both audiences and the Junior Stamp. 1:28:36.640 --> 1:28:41.360 I got involved twelve years ago or so at the 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:44.640 Prairie Wetlands Learning Center Fergus Falls, Minnesota. And that's a 1:28:45.640 --> 1:28:50.960 it's a US Fish and Wildlife Service facility that's incorporated 1:28:51.000 --> 1:28:53.760 into the local K through twelve district, And so the 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:57.040 kids spent half of their school year on a WMA 1:28:57.800 --> 1:29:00.880 and they basically everything that they learn is centered around 1:29:00.920 --> 1:29:03.560 the outdoors and conservation and kind of like intertwined. 1:29:03.560 --> 1:29:05.559 And so they have the kids. 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:07.439 One of the big projects is they have all their 1:29:07.479 --> 1:29:10.080 students enter the Junior Duck Stamp and then they write 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.479 a paper on the bird species they chose. And so 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:17.960 that I work there one season at the Wetland Management District, 1:29:18.000 --> 1:29:19.680 and so they asked me, like, hey, would you know 1:29:19.760 --> 1:29:21.920 they knew that I was always entering the duck stamp, 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:24.920 would you speak to the kids and get involved? And 1:29:25.000 --> 1:29:27.720 so I did like a presentation, and that now has 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:30.360 become a tradition that I do every year coo, and 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:34.599 it's been really it, you know, I now I realize 1:29:34.600 --> 1:29:37.920 the impact that this program has. I mean a lot 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:41.240 of these kids, just like Emily, have no background. They're 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:44.320 just that's just what you know. They're just there for 1:29:44.520 --> 1:29:49.320 K through twelve education. But after I come and present, 1:29:49.720 --> 1:29:53.240 they do their painting. I mean, they send me a 1:29:53.320 --> 1:29:55.479 stack of note cards at the end of the year 1:29:55.479 --> 1:29:57.479 of just thank you notes, and then they draw me. 1:29:57.720 --> 1:29:59.960 Each student draws me like a hundred and some students 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:02.360 draw me their own duck and mail. 1:30:02.160 --> 1:30:03.920 Them to me like this whole packet. 1:30:03.920 --> 1:30:04.320 Every year. 1:30:04.960 --> 1:30:07.240 The teacher said that a couple. 1:30:07.000 --> 1:30:09.720 Of them chose their final project or just write it 1:30:09.800 --> 1:30:13.360 on myself, which I'm like, well it's but like I'm 1:30:13.439 --> 1:30:17.320 just there one day and I'm showing them artwork and 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:20.200 talking them about the duck stamp, and they just become 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:23.320 addicted to it and like so this is a government 1:30:23.360 --> 1:30:27.640 sponsored program that very few people participate in, and the 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:32.080 you know, when you think about how many classrooms and 1:30:32.120 --> 1:30:35.840 students are out there that is designed to do just that, 1:30:35.960 --> 1:30:40.720 bridge the gap and teach young individuals about conservation. That 1:30:40.880 --> 1:30:45.599 mean kids love. To me, two things are like true 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:49.160 passion as a kid, you love artwork, and you love stories. 1:30:49.880 --> 1:30:52.480 And you know, kids love the doodle play with materials. 1:30:52.479 --> 1:30:54.559 And then I mean it's whether you're watching a movie 1:30:54.600 --> 1:30:57.880 or cartoons like it's this. You know, kids love stories 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:00.760 and the story of the duck stamp, the history of 1:31:00.800 --> 1:31:04.800 the program is a really fantastic story. And so they 1:31:05.120 --> 1:31:09.640 you know, that is taught in their experience of participating 1:31:09.680 --> 1:31:12.800 in the Junior Stamp program. And I mean, I would 1:31:12.840 --> 1:31:16.200 just I think we need to encourage a lot more parents. 1:31:16.360 --> 1:31:19.719 I mean, whether you're a teacher like Emily's teacher getting 1:31:19.760 --> 1:31:22.240 your kids your students involved, or whether you're just a 1:31:22.280 --> 1:31:24.439 parent and want to get your kids involved. 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:25.800 Anybody can do it. 1:31:25.880 --> 1:31:30.200 You can get the packet online and get started and 1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:32.000 you know, submit a painting. 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:34.439 We should have put that in the Kids Activity book 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:37.519 Man Catch Crayfish count Stars. Should have had a thing 1:31:37.600 --> 1:31:39.559 like submit your duck stamp book. 1:31:39.600 --> 1:31:39.840 Two. 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:41.799 You can encourage that. 1:31:42.040 --> 1:31:47.000 Start kicking that one teacher's ass a little bit sending 1:31:47.040 --> 1:31:51.719 some kids over there to compete. All right, so you can't. 1:31:51.880 --> 1:31:53.680 You can't do one for three years? You got to 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:54.120 sit out. 1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:55.479 Yeah, twenty twenty seven. 1:31:56.720 --> 1:31:58.200 Do you know what the ducks are for your twenty 1:31:58.200 --> 1:31:58.679 twenty seven? 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:00.240 I think they released this coming year? 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:02.200 Okay, yeah, starts gaming? 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:06.599 Yeah yeah? Are you gonna spend three years working on it? No? 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:08.800 Do you live it? How long? So the next time 1:32:08.840 --> 1:32:10.800 you can submit, are you gonna limit yourself to how 1:32:10.840 --> 1:32:11.960 much time you can spend on it? 1:32:12.000 --> 1:32:14.559 I had already started doing that just because I mean, 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:18.160 like I said earlier, just the practicality of it. I mean, 1:32:18.200 --> 1:32:21.919 it's the end of the day, it's just a contest 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:23.800 and a gamble, you know, you just put in and 1:32:23.880 --> 1:32:28.160 cross your fingers. So yeah, I mean, I I want 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:31.240 to say I spent three weeks of like total commitment 1:32:31.360 --> 1:32:33.320 on this year's I mean, but I mean that's night 1:32:33.400 --> 1:32:35.920 and day, I mean seven days a week. 1:32:36.040 --> 1:32:37.439 Yeah, how many hours? How many hours do you have 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:39.400 into that painting? If you had to take a stab? 1:32:41.439 --> 1:32:46.400 Uh, the painting itself was probably twelve days. But I 1:32:46.439 --> 1:32:51.559 mean that's wearing sweats and looking like cramp round the clock. 1:32:51.640 --> 1:32:54.200 So I don't know, twelve times ten twelve hours a 1:32:54.280 --> 1:32:58.679 day and then they're you know, the planning and actually 1:32:58.680 --> 1:33:00.800 going out and getting reference. I mean all adds up 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:01.919 to a huge commitment. 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:06.720 Yeah, well paid off man, it did. Yeah yeah, congratulations. 1:33:06.800 --> 1:33:07.920 You can't wait to see your next one. 1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:08.719 Well deserved. 1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.400 I like any kind of story about American elbow grease man, yep, 1:33:13.680 --> 1:33:17.479 And that's this is all about making a plan, like 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:22.439 having a dream, working on it struggles, Yeah, overcoming all 1:33:22.439 --> 1:33:23.120 that ship. 1:33:23.240 --> 1:33:25.360 Right, and it feels like maybe there's a chance. 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:29.120 There's a chance, man, there's a chance. I can tell 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:32.280 you got Yeah, you're devoted. Thank you, you know, thanks 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:35.439 for coming on the show with Shuck Black and Kelsey 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:37.599 neanxt for coming on the show. Go pay Kelsey visit 1:33:37.640 --> 1:33:39.759 at Studio Gallery Three Forks, Montana. 1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:41.800 I'm actually I have some stuff in the Mediator store 1:33:41.840 --> 1:33:42.559 now too, you do. 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.759 Yeah, man, I've been writing so much about Three Forks 1:33:45.800 --> 1:33:48.360 because we're working on the next Meat Eaters American History, 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:49.880 which is the story of the Mountain Men. 1:33:50.320 --> 1:33:50.960 Lots going on. 1:33:51.160 --> 1:33:53.040 I can't get a paragraph without having to talk about 1:33:53.080 --> 1:33:58.120 Three Forks. A ton lot went on there. Yeah, God, 1:33:58.200 --> 1:34:02.479 the mono dudes just bit the dust around three forks. 1:34:03.200 --> 1:34:06.240 Yeah, we were. We went on SETH and I went 1:34:06.280 --> 1:34:07.599 on a little walk the other day and we came 1:34:07.600 --> 1:34:11.120 across a little plaque about Colter's run, and there's just 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:13.200 like pretty much everywhere you look, there's little things like that. 1:34:13.240 --> 1:34:16.639 Oh listen, he a lot of dudes bit the dust 1:34:16.680 --> 1:34:18.800 around three forks, and not always in a pretty way. No, 1:34:19.920 --> 1:34:22.120 but what you when you're reading about Culter, what is 1:34:22.160 --> 1:34:24.519 often omitted is what happened to the guy he was with. 1:34:25.160 --> 1:34:26.160 He got killed, right. 1:34:26.320 --> 1:34:32.320 Not just killed, chopped up, and then Colter was smeared 1:34:32.880 --> 1:34:33.840 in his innards. 1:34:34.000 --> 1:34:36.360 Oh god, sounds like a podcast. 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:40.160 Yeah, well it is. It's Media's American History The Mountain Book. 1:34:40.360 --> 1:34:45.040 Yeah you'll get the full, Yeah, brutal, the full on 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:48.240 the bridge. And then there's a so check this out. 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:51.599 This is a little preyler to so Media's American History 1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:53.320 the Mountain I'm working out now, but this is dude. 1:34:53.400 --> 1:34:56.320 So this one group of trappers is going up river, 1:34:57.920 --> 1:34:59.479 this group Mountain is going up river and one of 1:34:59.479 --> 1:35:03.360 the guys get second thoughts and bales and they take 1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:06.800 this this the head of this group of trappers takes 1:35:06.800 --> 1:35:09.120 another trapper who was actually a Lewis. John Colter was 1:35:09.479 --> 1:35:13.920 Lewis and Clark alumni. John Potts, who Colter's enterds got 1:35:13.920 --> 1:35:17.320 smeared on, was a Lewis and Clark alumni. And there's 1:35:17.360 --> 1:35:18.800 this guy I don't know how to pronounce his name, 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:22.240 like Dreillard or Drew Llard. Yeah, he was a Lewis 1:35:22.240 --> 1:35:26.200 and Clark alumni. So this one trapper splits and the 1:35:26.240 --> 1:35:28.080 head of the expedition says, hey, go find him and 1:35:28.080 --> 1:35:29.120 bring him to me, dead or alive. 1:35:30.120 --> 1:35:31.160 Go trap him. 1:35:31.720 --> 1:35:34.000 He goes, catches up to him, shoots him in the 1:35:34.040 --> 1:35:37.400 back between the shoulder blades, hauls him back to camp. 1:35:38.040 --> 1:35:39.800 They say, you shouldn't have tried to do that. They 1:35:39.840 --> 1:35:41.639 stick them in the canoe and float them down river. 1:35:41.720 --> 1:35:47.240 He washes up dead downriver on the beach. Then his 1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:54.760 killer winds up dead, chopped up head setting on his 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:56.840 horse in Three Forks. 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:00.880 Remember for that one. I'm just. 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:06.920 A whole big part of the story of the Mountain 1:36:06.920 --> 1:36:12.400 Men is them getting over like that era, them getting 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:16.320 over the idea of the three Forks and moving south 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:18.800 because Lewis and Clark when they came through, they saw 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:22.120 so much. They spent a lot of time there and 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:25.680 They're like, there's a shipload of beavers there. And so 1:36:25.720 --> 1:36:27.640 it was like this they were very focused on when 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:29.200 we got to get to that area, because they talked 1:36:29.200 --> 1:36:31.320 about how much how many beavers are in the area, 1:36:32.080 --> 1:36:34.479 and they kept going there and the Blackfeet for a 1:36:34.560 --> 1:36:36.320 long time or like they want nothing to do with this. 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:39.439 They didn't want to enter the fur trade with the Americans. 1:36:39.439 --> 1:36:42.040 They didn't want Americans in their area. And they're like 1:36:42.240 --> 1:36:47.680 just very forcefully saying, do not come into our area. 1:36:48.760 --> 1:36:50.960 You know, they said it politely, they said it not 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:56.559 so polightly. And eventually they like these trappers trying to 1:36:56.560 --> 1:36:59.000 come out or kind of like eventually they got legit, 1:36:59.479 --> 1:37:03.160 gave up, oh and move south and that kind of 1:37:03.200 --> 1:37:05.080 launched sort of like this heyday of the Mountain then. 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:08.560 But they were always drawn like a moth to flames 1:37:09.240 --> 1:37:11.840 to the three fok dude, and you go there and 1:37:12.000 --> 1:37:14.080 bad shit happens. 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:16.080 Now there's a little art glory. 1:37:16.280 --> 1:37:18.519 Now you go there and pay attention to go ahead, 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:22.400 visit the studio. Lot's changed in the West. 1:37:22.520 --> 1:37:23.320 Yeah, I guess. 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:27.120 All right, Thanks guys, appreciate you coming up. Go buy 1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:28.320 your duckt stamp yep. 1:37:33.360 --> 1:37:35.519 Uh so no, we've got a day left. We're gonna 1:37:35.600 --> 1:37:37.920 do everything everything we can in our power to make 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:40.920 this happen, all of us, everybody here on on the side. 1:37:41.960 --> 1:37:43.559 Like I said, it feels a little cooler. We got 1:37:43.560 --> 1:37:45.200 some cloud cover which was like the great day we 1:37:45.240 --> 1:37:47.679 had that, so really excited for tonight. 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:49.120 But let's switch gears a little. 1:37:48.880 --> 1:37:52.680 Bit and get into Luke Comb's hunting and how it 1:37:52.760 --> 1:37:54.760 kind of ties into some of your music, and you know, 1:37:54.760 --> 1:37:57.360 you're starting to get more and more references in your 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:00.400 song lyrics that you mentioned. It's becoming a bigger, you know, 1:38:00.400 --> 1:38:02.519 a piece of your life. You're keeping a and maybe 1:38:02.560 --> 1:38:05.160 it's too personal. This can get cut out, like keeping 1:38:05.160 --> 1:38:07.439 a diary for your kids, like just a hunting journal. 1:38:08.800 --> 1:38:11.800 So what does honey mean to you? When did you start? 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:13.680 Kind of give us a little background on that and 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:14.720 just in general. 1:38:14.479 --> 1:38:17.599 Yeah, I really started, I don't know, I guess probably 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:22.680 eight years ago now and have just been kind of 1:38:23.360 --> 1:38:27.600 have just become obsessed with it, you know really, you 1:38:27.640 --> 1:38:29.880 know obviously my you know, my what I do for 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:34.120 a living is very sensory overload, you know what I mean. 1:38:34.160 --> 1:38:36.360 Like it's just a lot of one place to the 1:38:36.400 --> 1:38:38.680 next to this place, to that place, and in this 1:38:38.840 --> 1:38:41.320 car and in to this place and doing interviews and 1:38:41.320 --> 1:38:43.360 doing photo shoots and shoot music videos and in the 1:38:43.400 --> 1:38:46.519 studio and writing songs and it never ends, you know. 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:51.679 So I think these trips for me, you know, hunting 1:38:51.680 --> 1:38:53.880 started out as a way to kind of it's the 1:38:53.960 --> 1:38:57.640 complete antithesis of that, right, Like it does ultimately, it 1:38:57.680 --> 1:39:03.920 does culminate with some super climax, high intensity moment if 1:39:03.960 --> 1:39:06.720 everything goes right. But like the lead up, you know, 1:39:06.800 --> 1:39:12.040 it's like everything about it is very I don't know, 1:39:12.080 --> 1:39:16.000 there's a lot of calming elements too, like the whole process, right, 1:39:16.080 --> 1:39:18.439 Like you know, I like if you're pumped to go 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:21.040 hunting to shoot an animal, it's like you're I mean, yeah, 1:39:21.120 --> 1:39:24.160 that's the end goal, but it's like just there would 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.120 you would leave feeling empty if you showed up and 1:39:26.120 --> 1:39:28.360 then you shot an animal and that was the end 1:39:28.400 --> 1:39:31.920 and it all ended right, like, you know, spending time 1:39:31.960 --> 1:39:36.720 outside and being with you know, like minded people. And 1:39:37.360 --> 1:39:40.360 I've also learned a tremendous amount of life lessons from 1:39:40.400 --> 1:39:42.840 being out here, right, you know. I was talking with 1:39:42.880 --> 1:39:44.960 you earlier when we were in the tent, when this 1:39:45.080 --> 1:39:48.240 was all getting set up and talking about how, you know, 1:39:48.520 --> 1:39:51.400 the music stuff for me has always come really naturally, 1:39:51.479 --> 1:39:55.559 you know, and not that it wasn't you know, really difficult, 1:39:55.600 --> 1:39:57.320 and that it's not a lot of work, and it 1:39:57.360 --> 1:40:01.040 is all that, but it's never felt like I never 1:40:01.080 --> 1:40:04.880 felt like I had a lot to overcome in the 1:40:04.920 --> 1:40:08.400 sense of and I guess that I did, but it 1:40:08.479 --> 1:40:09.479 just never felt that way. 1:40:09.640 --> 1:40:09.800 You know. 1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:11.600 It's something that I was naturally good at, and I 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:14.800 really always believed in myself and my ability to do that, 1:40:14.960 --> 1:40:16.760 and and once I decided I was going to do 1:40:16.760 --> 1:40:20.599 that for a living, it seemed like I didn't really 1:40:20.680 --> 1:40:22.960 hit a lot of setbacks, you know, just the way 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:25.040 my story kind of played out. 1:40:26.120 --> 1:40:27.559 I'm very thankful for that. 1:40:27.680 --> 1:40:30.880 I'm very lucky, but you know, I'm you know, we've 1:40:30.880 --> 1:40:33.360 talked about a little bit on this trip that I'm 1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:35.400 gonna just sawing a bit of a cold streak in 1:40:35.439 --> 1:40:39.360 the woods man like like the bull dropping. And you know, 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:41.760 I've I've had some some other hunts that just kind 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:45.360 of everything You do everything the right way and then 1:40:45.360 --> 1:40:48.479 it doesn't work out, you know, the way that that 1:40:48.560 --> 1:40:50.519 it's supposed to, And I mean even down to the 1:40:50.600 --> 1:40:51.719 you know, the eleventh hour. 1:40:51.840 --> 1:40:54.200 You know, like I've had stuff recently. 1:40:53.920 --> 1:40:56.240 Where I'm like, we're already celebrating and then it's it 1:40:56.560 --> 1:40:58.680 doesn't go away that you think that it's going to go. 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:03.280 And so I've learned a lot through those experiences, right 1:41:03.320 --> 1:41:06.719 that that not you know, just because you do everything 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:09.400 you can, and you you prepare the best that you 1:41:09.439 --> 1:41:12.200 possibly can, and you do everything you feel like the 1:41:12.320 --> 1:41:15.559 right way, and you're coming on these you know, public 1:41:15.640 --> 1:41:18.640 land hunts, and you know, I could probably afford to 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:20.439 go do whatever hunt I wanted to, but I don't 1:41:20.479 --> 1:41:22.720 want to do that. You know, I want I want 1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:24.799 it to be a challenge. I want it to be difficult. 1:41:24.840 --> 1:41:26.760 I want there to be you know, I want it 1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:29.200 to be you know, I don't can't say I want 1:41:29.200 --> 1:41:31.560 to go hike to the top of the Himalayan mountains, 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:33.160 but you know what I mean, Like, I don't want 1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:35.839 it to be I don't want to just sit in 1:41:35.840 --> 1:41:38.240 in front of a you know, in front of a 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.360 big pile of apples and they go, well that's you know, 1:41:41.439 --> 1:41:44.479 this is you know, Razor Blade's going to walk out 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:45.640 in five minutes. 1:41:45.439 --> 1:41:46.880 You know what I mean, And you're gonna shoot that. 1:41:46.920 --> 1:41:48.519 It's like, I'm just not interested in that, you know. 1:41:48.600 --> 1:41:51.200 So, but yeah, I keep that journal, man, and it 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:54.720 helps me kind of and especially through this, through this 1:41:54.800 --> 1:41:57.040 kind of last year. I guess that's it's been really 1:41:57.080 --> 1:41:59.960 tough for me, at least big game wise, it's been. 1:42:00.040 --> 1:42:01.920 It's been tough for me. I've had a great Turkey 1:42:01.960 --> 1:42:04.040 season this year. I'm thankful for that. 1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:04.559 I love that. 1:42:04.720 --> 1:42:07.360 You know, Turkey Woods seems like the only thing that 1:42:07.560 --> 1:42:09.960 keep me coming back right now. You know, it hasn't 1:42:09.960 --> 1:42:12.200 been a lot of hasn't hasn't been a lot of 1:42:12.240 --> 1:42:16.920 good outcomes anywhere else. But I keep that journal really, 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:18.960 you know, I me and my friends talk about it 1:42:19.000 --> 1:42:20.960 a lot. That I go hunting with you know, Dan 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.120 and Read they have a podcast through Meet And I've 1:42:23.120 --> 1:42:24.840 been hunting with those guys for years and they're some 1:42:24.840 --> 1:42:28.280 of my best friends. And you know, they grew up 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:32.000 hunting and their dad hunts, and so they're like, man, 1:42:32.040 --> 1:42:34.240 I just I wish I had I wish my dad 1:42:34.280 --> 1:42:35.040 would have done that. 1:42:35.080 --> 1:42:35.200 You know. 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:36.960 I wish I could go back and read all my. 1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:41.599 Dad's you know, the days that he was miserable and 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:43.640 the days that he was you know, that he got 1:42:43.680 --> 1:42:45.360 the biggest year of his life. I wish I could 1:42:45.479 --> 1:42:48.479 have all that stuff, you know, And so my wife 1:42:48.520 --> 1:42:51.280 bought me that book a few years ago for Christmas, 1:42:51.439 --> 1:42:55.120 I think around twenty nineteen. And just this Elkhunt's going 1:42:55.160 --> 1:42:58.840 to be the last pages of my first first journal. 1:42:58.560 --> 1:42:59.960 That will be completely filled up. 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:02.880 Uh So I'm excited about about starting the next one 1:43:02.920 --> 1:43:05.920 and and hopefully we can get we can get. 1:43:05.800 --> 1:43:07.720 Something done, and there'll be something good in the end 1:43:07.760 --> 1:43:08.200 of that one. 1:43:08.360 --> 1:43:11.240 You know, we're gonna do everything we can. Mm hmmm 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:15.160 mm hmmmmmmmmmm 1:43:17.120 --> 1:43:17.559 Mm hmm