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Speaker 1: end of the show. Our buddy Jason Phelps has a podcast,

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Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance, of course, and he was recently on

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Speaker 1: an ELK hunt with country music singer Luke Colmbs down

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Speaker 1: Cutting the Distance podcast. Thank you. Phil's here all riled up.

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Speaker 1: I knew you were gonna do this. All pissy, not

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Speaker 1: even gonna get into that good. That was pissy. It

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Speaker 1: can feel Can you see this? Yeah? Should I hold it?

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Speaker 1: The big thing or this thing?

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Speaker 3: You can do both, Okay, the big thing would be nicer.

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Speaker 1: Okay. It's the time of year. Well, I don't want

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Speaker 1: people to lose sight of what we're doing here. It's

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Speaker 1: the time of year when you go you're like, oh shit,

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Speaker 1: I gotta buy my duck stamp. Great, and this is

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Speaker 1: not a lie. I just got mine today. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: is not a lie.

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Speaker 4: They're in stock now, great.

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Speaker 5: Where'd you go post office?

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Speaker 1: My desk? I had some great I have performula.

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Speaker 6: I'll have to do that.

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Speaker 5: Hopefully a couple end up.

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Speaker 1: One time and Kylie grab something I needed to and uh,

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Speaker 1: for just it's a long story. It's time of year

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Speaker 1: and you gotta go buy your duck stamp. You know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do this out talking about the movie Fargo.

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Speaker 1: No one ever does. They can't. They never do it

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Speaker 1: without talking about Fargo. You people have seen Fargoll know

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Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. It's time of year and you

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Speaker 1: gotta go buy your duck stamp. And we have extremely

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Speaker 1: special guests. We have the person that paint in the

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Speaker 1: damn duck stamp, the most prestigious.

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Speaker 3: It's gotta be right, that's what they say.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask someone who's not you. I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: another painter. We also have I'm like, there's so much

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Speaker 1: the junior duck stamp winter joining from South Korea where

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Speaker 1: her time. She's good for a minute. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 1: we're good, all right, Kelsey Kelsey. We had Kelsey Morris

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Speaker 1: come in. She's up normally No, no discredit, Chuck, She's

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Speaker 1: normally our She's like the resident wildlife artist. Yeah, painter,

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Speaker 1: she's the resident painter. Is is just how prestigious is it?

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Speaker 1: You don't paint ducks?

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Speaker 6: No, But I'm aware. It's the highest honor.

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Speaker 1: It's the highest honor in waterfowl, yes, painting.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the pinnacle. You know, that's what people we

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Speaker 1: So it's like like in Fargo.

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Speaker 6: Said, yeah, but yeah, it's it's a high honor. It's

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Speaker 1: So and uh, this year is Montanan Chuck black one

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Speaker 1: from right Local?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Belgrade.

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Speaker 1: How many times you submitted?

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Speaker 3: This is my tenth time?

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Speaker 1: So has anyone ever won it twice? Do you call

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Speaker 1: God, no, kid, we're gonna talk about that whole We're

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Speaker 5: I typically buy at least three a year, one for me,

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Speaker 6: It's a good thing to buy an access Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because all the money goes to Wetlands Conservation.

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Speaker 1: Brent Reeves is here fresh from the squirrel Cookoff, little

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Speaker 1: the squirrel cookoff, as though that's like a thing to

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Speaker 8: teams every year. They limited to forty and then they

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Speaker 8: come in with their recipe their squirrels. If they don't

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Speaker 8: It's a good family deal. It was just it's it's

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Speaker 1: What kind of loser would go to a squirrel cookoff

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Speaker 8: Well, gray squirrels and fox squirrels. That's what it's. That's

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Speaker 8: what you're limited to cook it's resident there of Arkansas.

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Speaker 8: And if you don't have them, the folks, the good folks.

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Speaker 1: There natural state. I mean the hack right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate like that. You know, I don't know, that's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And you said, Phil, I'm glad they got those. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad they got squirrels there. Yeah, they're share with everybody.

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Speaker 1: Watch just Chuck Black. You know how you won the

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Speaker 1: duck stamp contest, Well, people could win the Arizona raffle.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: You like that little transition they teach that painter school.

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Speaker 3: Do they know.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking a bunch about in Arizona, like way

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Speaker 1: uh Commission, Wildlife Commission, their decision to eliminate governor's tag auctions.

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Speaker 1: So their decisions, their decision to move away from allocating

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Speaker 1: of that money watch this transition, like the duck stamp,

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Speaker 1: all of that auction money goes to support wildlife habitat.

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Speaker 1: And so they're faced with making this decision to move

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Speaker 1: there's probably a there's a likely scenario where there's a

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Speaker 1: forfeiture of a lot of conservation money. But you can

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Speaker 1: remedy that. You can help remedy that that discrepancy if

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Speaker 1: you go right now and buy some raffle tickets for

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Speaker 1: Arizona big game raffles. They got this a bunch of them.

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Speaker 1: There's a Mountain Lion raffle, COO's dear elk mule deer,

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Speaker 1: all kinds of raffles. I blue, not blue, invested, not blue.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Listen, I didn't say that. Come out, Phil,

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Speaker 1: Can you play it back or I say invested.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if you didn't call me pissy at the tip of.

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Speaker 1: Okay, September one, twenty twenty four to December fifteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: You can enter to win all kinds of gear packages,

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Speaker 1: but you can also enter to win big game tags.

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Speaker 1: I went on the other day and spent I bought

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Speaker 1: ten mule Deer raffle tags. So I invested a hundred

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Speaker 1: do such good business on these raffles of just people

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Speaker 1: net conservation loss. Am I saying this too strongly? No

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Speaker 1: a net conservation loss by moving away from Governor's tags.

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Speaker 1: They had their logic to the decision. If you're curious

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Speaker 4: Oh and you can you can purchase now until ending

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Speaker 4: at nine pm Arizona time on December fifteenth.

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Speaker 1: But now that I bought my ten, I don't want

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Speaker 1: and I win that thing. Good luck, So you're not

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Speaker 1: always buy into these raffles. You know, I haven't bought

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Speaker 4: And there are all kinds of other prizes, and then

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Speaker 4: like the more you buy their discounts. I mean they've

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Speaker 1: So yep, uh okay, we got a new folks, I'll

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Speaker 1: check this out. We got a new collab ammal we've

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Speaker 1: worked on with our buddies at sig Sour and we

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Speaker 1: and you can go check it out. I'm packing right

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Speaker 1: now to go moose hunting. I'm not I'm not personally

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Speaker 1: I'm going with them. I'm just my job is to

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Speaker 1: call and observe and this is what we're shooting on moose,

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Speaker 1: and this is what I've been shooting on moose because

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Speaker 1: it's loaded with a nozzler ACI Bond bullet, which you

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Speaker 1: know they fly superbly well and are very very good

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Speaker 1: on big game. So it is a lead ammal if

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Speaker 1: if you're in the Condor Recovery area or whatever areas

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Speaker 1: of California, not for you. Stick to all copper in

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Speaker 1: those places. But when you want a really high performance bullet,

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Speaker 1: check out the new Platinum Hunter line that we have

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Speaker 1: out from SIG. It is phenomenal stuff. Anyone knows who's

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Speaker 1: ever shot Acubonds knows. Just for performance, it's great. Again,

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Speaker 1: not appropriate for your non toxic areas, but when you

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Speaker 1: check it out. Uh Okay, we're gonna go to Danielle. Now, oh,

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Speaker 1: there she is, Danielle. What's up?

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Speaker 1: Who've killed that lion?

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Speaker 1: check that out. Me Eaters, Wild and Whole Seasonal Recipes

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Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, so this is all the like, this

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Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, Thank you, thanks saniel.

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Speaker 12: our first semester in college, they sent us to Korea

439
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Speaker 12: University to study.

440
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Speaker 11: So we've been having a lot of fun.

441
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Speaker 1: Here, got it. So you when you did the So

442
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: you were in high school when you did the duck stamp. Yes,

443
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: and you I'm trying to understand this right. You were

444
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: in an art class where the teacher is so dedicated

445
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: to the duck stamp contest that half of the junior

446
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: duck stamp winners come out of this one art class.

447
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 11: Yes, that's true.

448
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 12: Whenever we have our ceremony for Oregon, it's just like

449
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 12: half of the entire list is.

450
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Speaker 11: Just from our class. She's very passionate.

451
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 6: Wow, we need to get that teacher.

452
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Speaker 1: Out of there. So how many years did you submit?

453
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Speaker 11: Probably also like ten years. I've been doing this since

454
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Speaker 11: I was like seven.

455
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Speaker 1: Incredible, You've been painting ducks since you were seven.

456
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Speaker 11: I mean I probably.

457
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 12: Wasn't that good at it when I was seven, but yeah,

458
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Speaker 12: I've been going at it for like every single year.

459
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 11: It's like a tradition. At this point.

460
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Speaker 1: Huh do you think you're gonna keep going for uh

461
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Speaker 1: as an adult? Once you got to enter the general competition.

462
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 11: I think maybe when I have time in college, I'll

463
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Speaker 11: do it.

464
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 12: But I also I have heard that the adult contest

465
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 12: is much harder than the Yeah, I can.

466
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Speaker 1: See that, maybe I can see true.

467
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 5: How old do you have to be to keep doing

468
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Speaker 5: the Junior duck stamp?

469
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Speaker 3: What's seventeen? I think is the So it's like K

470
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Speaker 3: through twelve?

471
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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha? So tell us about the stamp there the

472
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: painting you did this year for the Junior Duck stamp winner.

473
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Speaker 12: This year I painted a king ider and I've never

474
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 12: actually like seen a king ider in real life, unfortunately,

475
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 12: But I just thought the colors were like super beautiful.

476
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 11: And it is my last year doing the Junior Duck stamp.

477
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Speaker 12: So I wanted to do something really like bold, like confidence,

478
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 12: like something special.

479
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Speaker 1: No, it's beautiful and it's a nice it's a really

480
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 1: nice perspective devonnet And.

481
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Speaker 7: I got to say, they make so the winner is

482
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Speaker 7: a judge at the Junior so they flew me out

483
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 7: to be a judge. And it doesn't it does not

484
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 7: do it justice like I thought, Emily's you.

485
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Speaker 1: Saw this, Yeah he judged so well. I thought you

486
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Speaker 1: were to judge next year.

487
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 7: Then no, so one in September, and then the junior

488
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Speaker 7: is in April.

489
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Speaker 13: Oh okay, so yeah, yeah, I think I.

490
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 7: Had her tied with another one that I liked, and

491
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Speaker 7: then I.

492
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Speaker 3: Guess the rest of the judges pushed it over.

493
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: So really, yeah.

494
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Speaker 7: But it doesn't I want to say, it doesn't do

495
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Speaker 7: it justice. I thought, like the colors really showed up

496
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Speaker 7: in person.

497
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Speaker 1: Uh you know, Emily, I forgot to say you're I

498
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: forgot to introduce you. Is is it lean? How do

499
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: you pronounce your last name?

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Speaker 11: I believe it's Leanne?

501
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, LeAnn. Okay, where did you go to high school?

502
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Speaker 12: I went to high school in Oregon at Sunset High School.

503
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Speaker 12: I was kind of like in the Portland area.

504
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: Okay, that was our big marching band competition school.

505
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like that was your rival in marching band.

506
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 3: It was yeah actually oh yeah yeah.

507
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 7: I grew up in Vancouver, Washington, across the river, so yeah, yeah,

508
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 7: throw it out.

509
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah anyway, so when you win, when you win the

510
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: junior Duck stamp, is it just honor? Is there?

511
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: Like?

512
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Do you win something.

513
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 12: I think there was like like a cash prize, but

514
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 12: I think a lot of the experience was like being

515
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 12: able to like go out to the ceremony and like

516
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 12: meeting all the people. It was so cool and like

517
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 12: meeting all the collectors is really special.

518
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: How much cash are you talking about? I could find

519
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: it online, so it's not I'm not prime. A thousand

520
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: you got a thousand bucks? What'd you do with it?

521
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 12: I probably spent it all on like food here already.

522
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: So you used to feed yourself. That's great, that's good.

523
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: Use your money. So since you won, since you won

524
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: the junior duck stamp competition, you finished high school in Portland,

525
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: and then you enrolled in college, and you're in college

526
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: now and you're going to college.

527
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 12: Where to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

528
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: Okay, tar heels yep, yep. And then for your first

529
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: semester they then send you overseas to South Korea to study. Yeah,

530
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: that's right, all right, man, Do you have it? Do

531
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: you have it in your mind that you now autit?

532
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: You need to go see a king ider.

533
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 11: I think I might have to, like me meet the

534
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 11: duck that.

535
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: I think.

536
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, you honestly have to.

537
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: I think you should. And then uh, I also understand

538
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: that this this struck me I picked. I always pictured

539
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: that everyone that paints ducks, especially for duck stamps, likes

540
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: to hunt ducks. You've never hunted ducks.

541
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 11: I've never hunted ducks in my life.

542
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Do you have any desire to hunt ducks?

543
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 11: I think, hmm, I might.

544
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 12: I might have to try it out one day, actually,

545
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 12: but I've never really had the opportunity to.

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00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: When you get back in the US, you can come

547
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: if you want to come hunt ducks with us. You

548
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: can come hunt ducks with us.

549
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 11: Oh really, this is an invitation.

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: It is like December early January will be the time

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Speaker 1: you want to do it. I'm not joking. If you

552
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: come up, we'll take you duck hunting.

553
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: She told me your favorite thing to eat is duck.

554
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: That's why.

555
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 11: You like.

556
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: You like eating duck, but you don't hunt ducks.

557
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 11: I had it last week.

558
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: There's a great way to get ducks. You want to

559
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: buy a cookbook.

560
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: It's called duck hunting.

561
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: If you know, I'm serious. If you want to come out,

562
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Speaker 1: if you want to come out sometime in December early January,

563
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: just talk to Krin. We'll take you duck hunting. We'll

564
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: show what a duck looks like. We'll be like, that's

565
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: an actual duck king. We'll show you. We'll show you

566
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Speaker 1: what a mallard looks like. Way, thanks for joining us.

567
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Speaker 11: Emily, Thank you so much.

568
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: What time is it where you're at It's one am.

569
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Speaker 11: It's it's almost two am now.

570
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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, thanks for taking the time.

571
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good luck in the future. I hope you keep painting. Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations, gratulations.

572
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: That's super cool.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Emily.

574
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Speaker 1: Bye, right, Chuck, you ready to dig in?

575
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: Sure?

576
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Speaker 1: Okay? Can I ask you a question first about duck stamps.

577
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Speaker 1: Wasn't it a thing like wasn't there some little uh

578
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: like controversy recently where you're not allowed to have a

579
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: person in Were they trying to make it a rule

580
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: that you had to start having a hunter in the

581
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Speaker 1: duck stamp? Is this? Do you know what I'm talking about?

582
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Speaker 3: It was a hunting element.

583
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Speaker 1: Which did that happen or not happen?

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Speaker 7: It happened, and I want to say it was two

585
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Speaker 7: or three years that that was a requirement to put

586
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Speaker 7: into your design, which I'm not opposed, but I think

587
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 7: a lot of the artists, and I definitely felt similar

588
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 7: were frustrated because it's hard enough to paint the duck

589
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 7: and then when you have to try and compose it

590
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 7: to make it all work with like a labrador in

591
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 7: the background or floating.

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00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 3: Right and you know, and that's you know, and then

593
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: that's what won.

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Speaker 7: But then I think there's controversy in that because that's

595
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 7: not what we're supposed to do with Sportsman.

596
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Speaker 1: But it was painted. The painting was taken right before

597
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: he picked it up.

598
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think the number of entries dropped a

599
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 7: little bit.

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Speaker 3: That I didn't enter.

601
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Speaker 7: I entered once I tried that, and I didn't do

602
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Speaker 7: it the following year, because I mean, it's it adds

603
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 7: more time. It's hard when you're just complicating the design,

604
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 7: and so I think a lot of artists advocated like,

605
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 7: just let us do what we want and if we

606
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 7: want to do a hunting element and yeah, So.

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Speaker 1: How many submissions do they get every year for the

608
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: duck stamp?

609
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 7: Around two hundred And that's down a lot from the nineties,

610
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 7: where I think the height of it was like twenty

611
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 7: two hundred. Wow, But that was like that was like

612
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 7: when the Fargo movie came out like that was like

613
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Speaker 7: that era.

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00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: So you want to talk about fargo. Third, I was

615
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: trying to avoid fargo, but you want to talk about fargo.

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00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean I think over the years and

617
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Speaker 7: I agree. I mean, it's frustrating as an artist when

618
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 7: there's so many top artists that enter it, and if

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Speaker 7: you're a beginner or somebody that's not as advanced, I mean,

620
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Speaker 7: it's frustrating to spend so much time on something and

621
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Speaker 7: then it gets thrown out within the first round, you know.

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Speaker 7: So the entries have just kind of been slowly declining

623
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Speaker 7: and it's been focusing more on the top artists.

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Speaker 1: How do you submit?

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00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 7: You just mail it in with an entry feed check

626
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty five bucks and then they have

627
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 7: a public contest every year in September, so that's coming

628
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 7: up not this weekend, but the next.

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Speaker 1: So that's it, yep. And then explain how the process

630
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Speaker 1: of selecting a winner goes. So and when you submit it,

631
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Speaker 1: how big you submit the original?

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00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 7: That's the original size? So it's a seven by ten

633
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 7: inch painting?

634
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: Is that is that like the rule?

635
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 6: It's a lot smaller than I would have thought.

636
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 7: And I think logistically I mean they deal with two

637
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 7: hundred entries. It's a it's a traveling judging every year.

638
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 7: So I mean they I think there's only two people

639
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 7: that run the Duck Stamp program. So shout out to uh, oh,

640
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 7: my gosh. Now I'm like blank, and now I'm in

641
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 7: the cameras that shout out to Suzanne and.

642
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: My gosh, I must look it.

643
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Speaker 6: Up for it.

644
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 7: I'm well, I should not forget this, and they're gonna

645
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 7: hate me for Jen.

646
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Speaker 3: Suzanne and Jen.

647
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: Well, it's fine because you're in the hot seat right now.

648
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I know you just got off the phone with your

649
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: future competition.

650
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

651
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 7: Sorry Suzanne and Jen. But there's them to run it,

652
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 7: and so you know, two people run this whole thing

653
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 7: and they have to handle all of these entries, and.

654
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: But they run it for the US Fish Wildlife Service.

655
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're employees. Yeah.

656
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 7: And then they pick five different judges every year, and

657
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 7: they don't review who those are until I don't know,

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00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 7: maybe a day or two before.

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Speaker 1: Are they usually are? Those judges usually went past winners.

660
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 7: No, So they're either like it could be somebody in

661
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 7: an art profession, an ornithologist, somebody that works at du

662
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 7: somebody that maybe is a like a former refuge manager.

663
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Speaker 7: So it's always kind of like a you never know

664
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 7: who it's going to be, but they're either bird experts, biology,

665
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 7: art experts, things like that. And they choose five judges,

666
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 7: and then they have the first round, which is enter out.

667
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 7: So they go through all the entries.

668
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: So all they take all those two hundred paintings and

669
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: lay them up in front of the judges.

670
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: They walk one by one and then they either say

671
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: yes or yep, wow, yep, and.

672
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 6: Then they have a set number or is it just

673
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 6: like that is the initial If there's one hundred people

674
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 6: that they like, the one hundred are and if there's

675
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 6: five they like five.

676
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: Or in yeah, So that that's the first round.

677
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 7: Is so each judge, which is you know, they're isolated

678
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 7: from each other, they hold up an I ron oh,

679
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 7: and if you've got three out of five ends, then

680
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 7: you're into the second round.

681
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: And then the second.

682
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Round I'm sorry, I just want to make sure I'm understanding. Yes,

683
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: they're not able to they're not communicating no, so they're

684
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: not influenced by right, understood, right, And so they they

685
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: isolate the five judges and then each five judges is

686
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: shown two hundred, and they allow they're allowed any number

687
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: of in and out. Yeah.

688
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you just never really know.

689
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 7: It's not just the individual opinion of each judge. And

690
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 7: so when you make it to the second round, then

691
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 7: they score one through five score cards.

692
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: And if how many people make it to that round.

693
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 3: It varies.

694
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 7: I want to say, usually no more than fifty probably,

695
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 7: so they yeah, they narrow it down quite a bit.

696
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 7: And then I think you need to score a six

697
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 7: fifty teen or sixteen or higher in the second round,

698
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 7: and then that gets you into the final round. And

699
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 7: then in the final round they can score three, four

700
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 7: or five, and then top score wins. If they have

701
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 7: a tiebreaker, they do a tiebreaker, and then that's how

702
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 7: they narrow it down.

703
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 3: To the top three. Then what happens, that's it and

704
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: they announce the winner.

705
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: Well you just said top three, Well yeah.

706
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 3: They I mean they always they always uh separate a

707
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 3: one to two and three, I see, and they play

708
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 3: second place there.

709
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then there's like many people that might be

710
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 7: tied for fourth and fifth, sixth.

711
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, they want that comes out with the gold medal.

712
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, they want like a three distinct top entries.

713
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: What are the parameters what are yeah, what are the parameters.

714
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 2: Of a duck stamp?

715
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 14: Like?

716
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 1: What is what? What?

717
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Like?

718
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's a pun what flies and what doesn't fly?

719
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 7: Well, you can't have writing, so it has to be

720
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 7: and you have to have a duck that's alive.

721
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: I think it doesn't have to be a duck.

722
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 7: They picked five species each year and they rotate that

723
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 7: so you know what's coming like three years out of

724
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 7: three years ahead of time they announced like what each

725
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 7: year will be, and so you get five choices and

726
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 7: they try to rotate through all the birds. And I

727
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 7: think the last one, which I think is eligible this

728
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 7: year that's never made on a duck stamp is the

729
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 7: cackling goose.

730
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's any migratory what waterfalller birds?

731
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: Well, but they narrow it, Sarah, keep going.

732
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: They narrow that when you do it. So for the

733
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: for the twenty twenty four duck stamp, they said, here's

734
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: the five birds you can paint.

735
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Yes, and what were they?

736
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 7: No, forget it was the I want to say it

737
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 7: was the black duck, the pintail.

738
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: Bluebell.

739
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 7: I'm forgetting now. But I knew, you know, I knew

740
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 7: that I had to do the pintail when it When

741
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 7: I saw that that was coming up a couple of

742
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 7: years in advance, I was like, that's my year to enter.

743
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: So oh, because you're like a pintail guy.

744
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 7: Well, we had acquired the reference in that video you

745
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 7: had seen, and so like I knew I had something

746
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 7: good that I.

747
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: Could compose from.

748
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 7: And so I was like, when that bird is eligible

749
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 7: again twenty twenty three, I'm going to enter because I've

750
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 7: been missing a couple of years because it got to

751
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 7: the point where you spend so much time on this.

752
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 7: You're trying to make it as an artist, and so

753
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 7: you're trying to balance like, well, what is really effective

754
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 7: with your time? And to spend so much time on

755
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 7: a duct painting and then have it get thrown out,

756
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 7: which is normally what happens when I enter, you know.

757
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: It's difficult.

758
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 7: So I was being very picky about when I would enter,

759
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 7: and so like, when I had the reference that I

760
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 7: wanted for a pintail, it's okay, twenty twenty three, I'm

761
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 7: going to enter again.

762
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: Now that you do, you get to is your original

763
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: still your original? Yep?

764
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 7: See, as the artist, there's no cash prize, but you

765
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 7: get to market your own collector prints and then you

766
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 7: keep the original.

767
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: Well why don't you auction the original off?

768
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 3: Well, it is for sale. I just haven't gotten the

769
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: price that I wanted yet.

770
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

771
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything's for sale for the right price, right.

772
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: No, I don't want to I don't want to pry.

773
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: But have passed dark stamp people had good Have they

774
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: had good success selling the original? I would think it'd

775
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: be a hot commodity, dude.

776
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 7: So the Bruce Museum in Greenwich, Connecticut, and that's where

777
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 7: this year's contest is. They have I want to say,

778
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 7: close to seventy originals. So prior to that they had,

779
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 7: prior to their collection, you know, it had gone to

780
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 7: whoever private collectors and then one man, Richie Praeger, he's

781
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 7: been acquiring then the last I want to say, ten

782
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 7: years maybe or so, and then he donated all of

783
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 7: them to the museum. So the museum has this mass

784
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 7: collection of original paintings, and I think they've got most

785
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 7: of them from nineteen sixty or so and on.

786
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: But there's one there's an individual who's hot on it.

787
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: There's an individual that buys a lot.

788
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he started the idea, do you auction it.

789
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: Through Southby's or how does it work? No, that's the

790
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: real estate outfit who does all those paintings and stuff

791
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: there always on the news.

792
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 3: Christie's.

793
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe that often else, Yeah.

794
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 7: Like the famous art Christie's or there's another one Christie's

795
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 7: and Sotheby's.

796
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: You'd be a really good episode we should do someday

797
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: what we should get an auctioneer on mm hmm, and

798
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: then we should ask that auctioneer, why do you sell?

799
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Like for livestock, talking real fast, but when they sell art,

800
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: they don't talk fast.

801
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 6: No they do. They don't I have any art auction

802
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 6: I've ever been to their talk really fast? Really yeah maybe,

803
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 6: I mean I don't know. I don't know about the

804
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 6: Christie's or whatever.

805
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 4: But yeah, those are like you drink wine and champagne

806
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: and probably talk really.

807
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 7: Maybe the bigger the price, the slower they try to compute.

808
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 9: That.

809
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: Phil, I know you're in a bad mood. Yeah, let

810
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: me hear it because I asked you like a very

811
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: simple question earlier. Yeah, what's up, Steve? Would we ever

812
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: be able to do we have the technological capability to

813
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: you know, we do the auction house of oddities. Could

814
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: we have an auctioneer come in the studio and do

815
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: a live auction house of oddities with one of the

816
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: fast talking auctioneers.

817
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: We could totally do that. We could, Yes, we should

818
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: totally do a live stream prime time.

819
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: Get people pumped with with.

820
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't get me pumped because I'm always trying

821
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: to figure out why they're doing that, Why.

822
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: We can look into the history, Clay says.

823
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: Clay says, it just it just it builds exciting. But

824
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 1: I always think you could just as well be standing

825
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: there and go ten no.

826
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 6: Because it's like people will yell yeah, they need to.

827
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 7: They need to like get you, make you feel like

828
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 7: the moments about the slip out of your hands.

829
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 6: They have the callers that are like, whenever somebody who

830
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 6: raised their hands.

831
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: When we do this podcast episode we'll cover we'll briefly

832
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: interview the auctioneer, ask these questions and then have a

833
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: live auction house of oddities.

834
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 3: So, so are we going to get like one hundred

835
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: people on on a phone call and they're all gonna

836
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,959
Speaker 3: raise their virtual hand? Is that what you're saying?

837
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: Or that's why I'm asking about the technology on it?

838
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 3: Can we figure figure something out?

839
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

840
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how they do a lot of the like

841
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 6: art auctions, there will be a live audience, but then

842
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 6: they'll also take online bid so you call in, you

843
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 6: actually call in or I guess some of them they

844
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 6: have like a like an eBay style like bid so

845
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 6: you could totally do it.

846
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of fun.

847
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: Man, No, Chuck, I don't want to cry. But are

848
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: you I'm gonna leave this subject after this. So you

849
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: have it? Is it up right now? Could people go

850
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: on there and like bid on it? Or are you

851
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: just trying to do like a private sale?

852
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 7: No, I mean it's I just have it. You have

853
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 7: and it is for sale.

854
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: You're not in a huge rush. No okay, No, you

855
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't submit it to an auction house. No, no, no, no, no.

856
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: So it's if somebody wants to buy it, contact me.

857
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: No, that's kind of.

858
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: I got a I got a style question for you. No,

859
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: pintails have a big long tail, hence the name pintail.

860
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Did you what was your idea to have it be

861
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: that the pin that the tail collides with the edge

862
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: of the painting, and that the bird doesn't have room. Well, yeah,

863
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 1: why didn't you nudge him forward inch?

864
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 7: Because now I was worried about the spacing between the

865
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 7: bill and the edge of the painting, and so I'm

866
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 7: trying to like gauge, you know. And I looked at

867
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 7: past pintail winners and some of them are just playing

868
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 7: cut the tail off.

869
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 3: So I was trying to figure out how to fit

870
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: barely the full.

871
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 7: Tail and you know, the whole bird within the painting

872
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 7: without I guess, making it, you know, compositionally weak. So

873
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 7: I was I just did my best to angle it.

874
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 7: I wanted a little bit of space between the bill

875
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 7: and the edge of the painting, and then so I

876
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 7: just squeezed it in the.

877
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: Want to because because you want to have like, you

878
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: wanted to have the bird really fill the frame, right,

879
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: so it's seven by ten, and you wanted a lot

880
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: of bird, and then you got this kind of bird

881
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: with a weird.

882
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's hard, and you know, and from the

883
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 7: side they have one of the longest side profiles, and

884
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 7: it's like it doesn't really fit.

885
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: So you had to really shrink the bird down to

886
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: include the big long tail coming out the back, right. Yeah.

887
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 7: And I mean now you're getting into all the nuances

888
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 7: of like the artist's decisions. I have to make to

889
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 7: try and.

890
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 6: I have so many questions about it.

891
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: Get a judge to you know, try to win over

892
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 3: a judge.

893
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

894
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 5: Well, good thing you didn't do it flying, otherwise you

895
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 5: would take up the whole thing.

896
00:44:59,000 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Right, I mean?

897
00:44:59,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

898
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 8: And how tough? How tough was it to mail the

899
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 8: did you hand deliver? You mailed the original.

900
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 7: Out, wrap it up like a you know, bomb proof

901
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 7: and send it overnight?

902
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: How tough that?

903
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: I mean?

904
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 7: I'm used to it now. That's I mail all my

905
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 7: artwork pretty much. So we've got to I have a

906
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 7: system down to package for shipping, mailing the kid somewhere.

907
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. It is stressful, very stressful.

908
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, imagine. Yeah. I got in a big fight

909
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: with Clay, our body Clay one time because we were

910
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,479
Speaker 1: looking at a painting and we were arguing about whether

911
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: it was the morning or night mm hmm, so much

912
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: so that we eventually had to go to the artist

913
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: and he said it was night, which he like kind

914
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: of messed up because it was actually the morning.

915
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 4: You wouldn't, you, guys, wouldn't.

916
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 6: The artist told you it was the night and you

917
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 6: said he was wrong?

918
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: You were?

919
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 7: Like I think about that a lot too, Like if

920
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 7: I have the sun coming from one angle and if

921
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 7: there's a storm in the sky, I I mean most

922
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 7: of the time it's coming from west to east. And

923
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,439
Speaker 7: so if you have the light coming from the right

924
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 7: or whatever, and that would indicate like evening. But if

925
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 7: you're the light coming from the other way, it should

926
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 7: be you should be facing south.

927
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, well these guys look to me like they're

928
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: riding out in the morning. Yeah, Clay felt look like

929
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: they're riding back home at night. And I was like, yeah,

930
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: because if you're coming in at night, you know it.

931
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Just they didn't look like that. They looked like they

932
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: were just getting going.

933
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, So is this this morning or evening morning?

934
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: I was gonna say that's where I had.

935
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is morning. Don't even try some bullshit.

936
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 7: So that the background of that is the Centennial Valley.

937
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 7: That's the Red Rocks Refuge. But they only had a

938
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 7: die cut for one way, so they had to flip

939
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 7: the background on the carrier, so it's actually backwards.

940
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: You explain that to me again.

941
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 7: So the carrier, which is what the dollar bill sheet

942
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 7: that the stamp comes on. The artists can design that, yes,

943
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 7: and so the background you got to design.

944
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 6: This, yes, Yeah, So that was gonna be my question.

945
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 6: So you win, and then you have to did you

946
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 6: have to paint that after paint.

947
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: A whole another damn dark?

948
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 7: It's optional, but I mean, I'm not going to pass

949
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 7: up with the opportunity.

950
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 3: So it's if you flip it.

951
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 7: That's the background that overlooks the refuge down at Red Rocks.

952
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 7: And they only had a die cut where they could

953
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 7: put the stamp on the right side, and so being

954
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 7: that I put the bird, they had to flip it.

955
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

956
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you know what, now I feel bad because

957
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: when I buy these, I always just peel that sticker

958
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: off and throw that out right. Yeah. I never knew

959
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: I was thrown out. I've never even looked to see

960
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: that I was thrown out art.

961
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I'll sign it for you now, now you'll

962
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 3: hang on to it.

963
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: You sign that right now for me? Yeah? Yeah.

964
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 6: And another element of the duck stamp. Tell me about

965
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 6: the remark on the back. So another part of the

966
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 6: competition is the sketch on the back, right, And that's

967
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 6: a different winner.

968
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

969
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 7: And that's Kira who is popular on TikTok and she

970
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 7: started her duck stamp journey a few years back. And

971
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 7: so they pick like a you know, different artists every

972
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 7: year to do the they get highlight you know, like

973
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 7: maybe up and coming artists or whatever.

974
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: So yeah, she did that.

975
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: Do you know any of the stats on on duck stamps,

976
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: like how many? How many? You know? I know that

977
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: they sell about a million?

978
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, a million and a half.

979
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,919
Speaker 1: And what are they charging this year? Twenty twenty five?

980
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 7: For it's been twenty five for I want to say,

981
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 7: almost ten years now, hasn't Oh was.

982
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: It that long ago they raised it? Well, yeah, I

983
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: remember everybody had a fit when they raised it. Yeah,

984
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: but then it woant being that adjustment for inflation, it

985
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: was still less expensive than when it was launched.

986
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 7: And they just surpassed a billion dollars raised in the

987
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 7: program's history.

988
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then and then like ninety percent of

989
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: that goes the wetlands, right.

990
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 3: I think ninety eight percent of every dollar.

991
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why you buy so many.

992
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 5: Max got to give it back somehow, sure, man.

993
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you sign the Yeah, don't sign the

994
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: fronts and it looks like you're the one hunting.

995
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can do with that.

996
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me about the life of an artist, man

997
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: like you don't just.

998
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 3: Do this, right, Yeah, I just paint.

999
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: No, I mean you don't just know, you don't just

1000
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: live to like paint your one ducky year.

1001
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: No, there's more to it, no, I mean.

1002
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 7: It's as an artist for me, well, like what art

1003
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 7: means to me is like storytelling. I think of it

1004
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 7: like conservation storytelling. So without the story, there's not a

1005
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 7: painting for me, like it, I have a hard time

1006
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 7: getting excited about the painting work. Like to me, that's

1007
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 7: the work part of it.

1008
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: Yep.

1009
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: Just being outside.

1010
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 7: And experiences while doing all the things we love, that's

1011
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 7: what gets me fired up. And so now I've started

1012
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 7: to journal and that helps me, you know, like articulate

1013
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 7: the stories that I.

1014
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 3: Want to convey.

1015
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: M h.

1016
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 7: And I guess that's like how each piece is born.

1017
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 7: And so I usually start with like an idea for

1018
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 7: a story. Then I'll try to like hunt for the

1019
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 7: reference that I need piece to like how am I

1020
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 7: going to piece this together? And then that's how like

1021
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 7: each painting starts to develop. So like I struggle with

1022
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 7: custom work, and that's why I don't do that anymore

1023
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 7: because it's I mean, it's it's.

1024
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: A labor, you know.

1025
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 7: And the only way that I can push myself through

1026
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 7: it is to really be excited about it, and so

1027
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 7: it has to have like a lot of personal meaning

1028
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 7: to me.

1029
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: So with custom work, it just doesn't hit you, like

1030
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: you just don't know where it's coming from.

1031
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 7: Sometimes, Yeah, I think there's like, from my perspective, there's

1032
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 7: like two types of artists. There's the artist that really

1033
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 7: gets excited about the art work itself and then all

1034
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 7: the you know, the way paint manipulates with different types

1035
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 7: of service surfaces and mediums and whether it's different drawing

1036
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 7: materials and you know, and they just love that work

1037
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 7: and so you ask them to do a custom painting,

1038
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 7: They're like, you're gonna pay me to do what I

1039
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 7: love so much.

1040
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 3: And then there's.

1041
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 7: The artist that I feel like has a true passion

1042
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 7: outside of the work of painting itself, and it's a

1043
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 7: lot hard for them to do something that doesn't like

1044
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 7: come from, you know, what's like natural to them or

1045
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 7: what they experience or whatever.

1046
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: And so I feel like I'm more of the latter.

1047
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: That's an interesting distinction. Yeah, how do you decide on

1048
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: what pose?

1049
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 8: And did you at one point were you painting that

1050
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 8: from the very beginning. Is there more than one?

1051
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: Do you do? You you wadded up.

1052
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 8: And throw it in the trash and start over, or

1053
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 8: how did you decide on that? What's the process of

1054
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 8: doing that?

1055
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 7: So it's changed a lot over time. I mean when

1056
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 7: I started out, it was very simple and just like, oh,

1057
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 7: I think this would be great, and then I paint it.

1058
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 7: I don't feel like I understood composition as much early on.

1059
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 7: This was the first stamp that I really took my

1060
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 7: time studying what makes our eyes attracted to certain things visually?

1061
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 7: And so I, you know, started studying like the Fibonacci

1062
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 7: sequence and that golden ratio.

1063
00:51:58,440 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: Well, tell me what that is, they will fill.

1064
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Fibonaci.

1065
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 7: He was a mathematician, I don't know, like fourteen hundreds

1066
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 7: or sixteen. I mean this is way back when, and

1067
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 7: they started to figure out that there was a sequence

1068
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 7: of numbers like zero in one equal two, and then

1069
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 7: two and one are three, and then three and two

1070
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 7: are five and five and three are eight, and they

1071
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 7: started to realize that this was their way of trying

1072
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 7: to figure out math. And it was a I think

1073
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 7: based off of like a Romans maybe Roman numerals or something,

1074
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 7: and they started to figure out that nature exhibited this

1075
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 7: very sequence of numbers, and so like, for instance, if

1076
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 7: you look down a branch of a tree, you'll see

1077
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 7: that each leaf follows as it you know, projects out

1078
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 7: of the branch, it follows that spiral yep, And it's

1079
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,959
Speaker 7: the exact same pattern or like a galaxy in the sky,

1080
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 7: the way it.

1081
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 3: Swirls snail shells a nail s yep.

1082
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 7: And so they started to figure out that this was

1083
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 7: something that nature exhibited everywhere, and then artists caught onto that, like,

1084
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 7: well we should start composing our paintings that way. And

1085
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 7: that's when you think of like the old masters and

1086
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 7: like why were that era there was an error where

1087
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 7: artwork exploded and it was just you know, amazing compared

1088
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 7: to what it was previously done. And they started to

1089
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 7: incorporate this mathematical sequence into their paintings and like how

1090
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 7: to position based on you know, this is the edges

1091
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 7: of the painting. We want to put it a certain

1092
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 7: distance across from one direction from the other, and that

1093
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 7: you know, aligned with that sequence of numbers. And so

1094
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 7: that's how they started to figure out, like, and that's

1095
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 7: what we consider like compositional rules today.

1096
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: And like art academia and things.

1097
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 7: So I started to study that and started to figure

1098
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 7: out like how to position the head of the bird,

1099
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 7: where to put it, different things like that.

1100
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 6: And are you classically trained? Did you go to art school? No,

1101
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 6: this is all research You've done.

1102
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: Yourself, right, So, yeah, like that have you heard of

1103
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: that before?

1104
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's art. You know, a lot of composing a

1105
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 6: painting is math. And the role of thirds for photography,

1106
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 6: like it's all just anything visual does take a lot

1107
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 6: of you know, compositional math. And I don't know if

1108
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 6: they teach that, and I didn't go to arts.

1109
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think it's pretty common knowledge.

1110
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: A lot of people know about this.

1111
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 7: It's it's harder to implement than it is to understand it.

1112
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 7: And I mean because then you're there's just so many

1113
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 7: things when you're trying to paint a picture that come

1114
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 7: up that make it difficult. But yeah, like I really

1115
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 7: started to think about things like that, So, like back

1116
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 7: to your question. This year, I had like a very

1117
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 7: strict system of like Okay, I'm going to think about

1118
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 7: the rule of thirds, I'm going to think about where

1119
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 7: the horizon should be.

1120
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a large duck to keep it

1121
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: big so that.

1122
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 7: I wasn't giving a judge a reason to vote it out,

1123
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 7: because sometimes you make too many. You may make a

1124
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 7: pair of birds and they become too small, and then

1125
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 7: judges might think, well when you shrink it down, it

1126
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 7: might not fit on a stamp. Well, so there's different

1127
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 7: things like that. So I'm like, I'm gonna keep it

1128
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 7: one bird, and I'm going to really study all these

1129
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 7: what art professionals considered, like the rules of composition, and

1130
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,879
Speaker 7: I'm going to try my best to implement them all.

1131
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 7: Which is funny that this was the year that I

1132
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 7: won and it paid off. Not only that, but I

1133
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 7: mean I've never came close, you know, So.

1134
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 6: Really I have one more like nerdy art question and

1135
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 6: then I'll questions, so the how close in your reference

1136
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 6: material is the color theory? So like did you were

1137
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 6: you going off of the time of day and color

1138
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 6: or did you tweak the colors at all? Because I

1139
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 6: just so I really love to color.

1140
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,720
Speaker 7: I kind of make up the background colors a lot.

1141
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 7: That's just something that I really like to do. But

1142
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 7: that was also you know, if I'm painting a detailed picture,

1143
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 7: like the background of the carrier, I might try and

1144
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 7: use photos to follow what's true to life, you know,

1145
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 7: more accurately. But then on the stamp, I'm like, I'm

1146
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 7: gonna make him look like he's in a portrait studio.

1147
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 7: And so I just kind of like pulled some colors

1148
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 7: out and it was like, I think this would compliment

1149
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 7: you know, the the the reddish brown of the head,

1150
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 7: make it somewhat blue, but you want to keep it warm,

1151
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 7: so I use like purples and pinks, and I thought

1152
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 7: that would like be a good contrast against like the

1153
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 7: brown of the bird. So yeah, it was mostly made

1154
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 7: up the background itself, and then the color.

1155
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 6: You did a good job because the color really stands

1156
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 6: out to me, Yeah, thank you, gorgeous.

1157
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 8: It does, and it's not you know, iridescent green like

1158
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 8: a Mallard's head or something. So it seems like it

1159
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 8: would be a challenge in itself doing like a you know,

1160
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 8: you got a white and then gray and then brown

1161
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 8: with that pintae.

1162
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 5: Yep, personally, I think the pintail is one of the prettiest. Yeah,

1163
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 5: I mean, just with that chocolate head too.

1164
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 7: Right, well, and then so what's funny, you know, and

1165
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 7: that's obviously that's like a lot of people's favorite bird.

1166
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 7: But what when I started studying like these compositional rules,

1167
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 7: that golden spiral that we talked about, it actually fits

1168
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 7: perfectly on a pintail's head, the way that the white

1169
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 7: swirls up into the head. And then I started wondering,

1170
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 7: I'm like, maybe that, like, is that part of the

1171
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 7: reason why so many people are attracted to this species

1172
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 7: of bird. It's because it's just like it's like the

1173
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 7: perfect example of nature at its finest. You know.

1174
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 5: For me as a hunter, it was always like the

1175
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 5: golden goose egg that like, yeah, like pintails take a

1176
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 5: long time to fully plume out during the fall, and

1177
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 5: it's like all these southern states in the Western States

1178
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 5: get these pin full plumed pintails all the time. Growing

1179
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: up in North Dakota, I was just shooting brown ducks

1180
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: the whole time, and like it was like a prized item,

1181
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 5: shooting one in December it being fully plumed out, and

1182
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 5: we would only get like a couple maybe a couple

1183
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 5: of year, right, So it's just like a cherry on top, Yeah,

1184
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 5: like it was. I was the it's a rare, Yeah,

1185
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 5: it's away so cool.

1186
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I think that you're maybe because it's like the duck stamp,

1187
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's more it's more kind of

1188
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: conservative than your normal paintings.

1189
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 3: It is.

1190
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they make you tone it way down, uh,

1191
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: not make you right you, I mean you can't have

1192
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: like you can't it can't be like loud and surprising.

1193
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean you can take the chance, but that's Yeah,

1194
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 7: it's like a lot of times when you try.

1195
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 3: That, that's the quickest way to get voted out.

1196
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 7: So it's I don't know, but maybe some you just

1197
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 7: never know who the people are going to be. And

1198
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 7: that's these people that have been entering it since the eighties.

1199
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 7: I'll just tell you it doesn't matter how good it is,

1200
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 7: because you get one person that is like, well, I

1201
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 7: hate pentails.

1202
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: My favorite duck is the spoon bail.

1203
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's because they could just they could throw you

1204
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: out for this arbitrary.

1205
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 7: I mean that, Yeah, they could give you a one

1206
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 7: out of five just cut. I mean, so it's it's

1207
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 7: up to the end.

1208
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 5: That's kind of a reason why they don't tell you

1209
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 5: who is the judges, right, so you don't paint towards

1210
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 5: their Yeah, favorites.

1211
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 6: I don't Yeah, how did you find out that you won.

1212
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 3: So they stream it live, so so everybody, yeah, everybody listening.

1213
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

1214
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 7: And so my wife was actually gone on vacation, so

1215
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 7: I was home alone and I'm just like sitting in

1216
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 7: my bed vacation. You're like, no, yeah, and uh so

1217
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 7: I'm just watching and and you know, I have made

1218
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 7: it to the second round before. But then in the

1219
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 7: second round, I tied for first with one person who

1220
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 7: you know, you can kind of tell whose painting is

1221
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 7: who once you really start following these artists, like you

1222
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 7: can see their style in the painting, and so I

1223
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 7: knew who the artist was, and I tied going into

1224
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 7: the third round, and then they're like, all right, no,

1225
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 7: we're going to break for lunch and we'll see you

1226
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 7: in an hour. And I just like, I mean, i

1227
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 7: was pacing, like my heart rates started going.

1228
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 5: I'm just like I would have loved to be a

1229
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 5: fly on the wall during this watching you.

1230
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then I want there was a two judge.

1231
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 7: There's I think just one judge that changed their mind

1232
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 7: in the final round and they switched his entry from

1233
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 7: like a five to a four, and that's how I won.

1234
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: With that more guy changed their mind.

1235
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, because like you know that from the second

1236
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 7: round score that they gave in the final round, they

1237
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 7: decided to take a point away.

1238
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 6: So and then and that's when you knew that you won.

1239
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 7: Well, then that was probably there's twenty entries to judge

1240
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 7: after that, so I had gotten the score and then

1241
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 7: his was like basically right after and I was like, okay,

1242
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 7: I'm in first now, and then there was there was

1243
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 7: still some entries that were one point off or something

1244
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 7: like that in the second round. So then you have

1245
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 7: to sit there and wait.

1246
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: And then it comes doun like you just watching online?

1247
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:44,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't go.

1248
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 3: There, you can.

1249
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 7: I couldn't make it work last year. I really wanted to.

1250
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 7: But yeah, so yeah, it was just a live feed

1251
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 7: on YouTube.

1252
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then what.

1253
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 14: Was your celebration?

1254
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, were you like what that the panic attack?

1255
01:00:59,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: Jumping?

1256
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 3: Basically? Yeah, like yeah, did you break anything? I might have?

1257
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? How many people were watching the live.

1258
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 7: Uh, there's always I want to say five or six hundred.

1259
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 7: Maybe maybe that's a little bit high. I don't know,

1260
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 7: but you call your wife. Yeah, well they all, I

1261
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 7: mean everybody was watching wherever they were, so like yeah,

1262
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 7: then my phone starts just going crazy and I'm like,

1263
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 7: I gotta let's get the call from them first, and

1264
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 7: then I'll talk to friends and family and.

1265
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, wow, that's so exciting.

1266
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah so they called you, yeah, yeah, and what do

1267
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: they say? Congratulations?

1268
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, they assume you already knew. Yeah.

1269
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: Typically, like it's I think the most artists.

1270
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 7: Watch it now. That's kind of like a standard now.

1271
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 7: But yeah, it's pretty crazy, Like couldn't believe it at first.

1272
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: So how much does how much does life change for

1273
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: someone that gets that level of recognition, Like it's got

1274
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: to cause a lot of people to come, you know,

1275
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people to start paying attention to your

1276
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: wildlife art for a while, right.

1277
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 3: You know?

1278
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 7: And I yes, And you know, the biggest thing is

1279
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 7: just like the ability to network has been amazing and

1280
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 7: like meeting people and Ducks Unlimited and all these organizations

1281
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 7: and you know, creating new friends and connections and that's

1282
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 7: been awesome. And they, you know, they kind of have

1283
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 7: a tour for you. So you go to the Easton

1284
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 7: Waterfall Festival in Maryland. Then I got an opportunity to

1285
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 7: go to the like the big National Delta event down

1286
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 7: in Louisiana, and so just meeting people and networking that's

1287
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 7: been huge. But I mean, honestly, you win in September

1288
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 7: and then the first day of sale is not until

1289
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 7: June twenty eighth, so it's basically just a big lull.

1290
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 7: And then even in I think it was like end

1291
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 7: of July, I went all around town to any place

1292
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 7: that I could post office Sportsman's nob nobody even had

1293
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 7: them yet. So I mean, I think people are just

1294
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 7: starting to purchase them now, and I am no. I mean,

1295
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 7: there is definitely a lot more people kind of finding

1296
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 7: me online and flowing my way, So it's I think

1297
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 7: it's probably at the beginning of that, just because it's

1298
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 7: you know, hunting seasons still, I guess coming up for

1299
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 7: a lot of people.

1300
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: So it's funny because it's a piece of artwork that

1301
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: so many people will buy, and they'll buy it and

1302
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit, I gotta run and get my

1303
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: duck stamp, you know, sign their wallet, and yeah, probably

1304
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: many will probably not look at it. Yeah well, you know,

1305
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 1: I mean they look at it like a license, you

1306
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They're gonna look at they look

1307
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: at it like a license.

1308
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 7: And an art And now this is the first year

1309
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 7: that they have the East stamp. You've heard about this,

1310
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 7: so Congress passed I think in in May. So it's

1311
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 7: an E stamp, but they want it, you know, and

1312
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 7: I think the the Duck Stamp Office probably advocated for

1313
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 7: this too. They still wanted to have the physical as

1314
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 7: part of that aspect. So you buy the E stamp

1315
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 7: and then you get your physical in the mail in March,

1316
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 7: and that's so that you don't have an E stamp

1317
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 7: on your phone. And then you get the physical and

1318
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 7: you can give it away to your buddy or whatever.

1319
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Speaker 1: I see, so they send it.

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Speaker 3: They will, Yeah, they will.

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01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: But I didn't know that that became a thing. The

1322
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: Arkansas the states to him, Yeah, I know. I mean,

1323
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: I don't mean what states aren't E stamps.

1324
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,360
Speaker 7: And I got to say that like general consensus, especially

1325
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 7: going to the Delta Expo. I mean, there's tens of

1326
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 7: thousands of people there.

1327
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 3: It was very obvious that everybody wanted this.

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 7: So many hunters are like, thank god, we finally can

1329
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 7: just buy one on the phone now, and like there's

1330
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 7: such a pain to like sure, So definitely what the

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01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 7: majority of hunters I think, if.

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01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 5: You decide you're going duck hunting at nine o'clock at night.

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01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 7: Right the next day and now nowhere to get I

1334
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 7: think that was the main reason.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna tell you. I'm going to tell

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01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: you a duck stamp story. Remember earlier Max were talking

1337
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: about those rivers in Alaska, Okay, sitting at a launch

1338
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: one time, coming back from duck hunting in Alaska, and

1339
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: we're just loading the boat up and there's like a

1340
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: guy hanging around being like, oh, gee shucks, I never

1341
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: seen a duck right, And all of a sudden we're

1342
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: like shooting the shipping ball. Sudden he pulls his badge.

1343
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: He's a trooper, an Alaska trooper. But it's his strategy

1344
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: was just to act like a Gothen tourist, you know,

1345
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: thinking that you're gonna be like, you think that's cool.

1346
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: Look at all this yeah, at all this crazy shit.

1347
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 3: I got it.

1348
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to have Anyways, that year almost got

1349
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: in trouble, but wound up not getting trouble because that year,

1350
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: like their Duxies and the Duxies in their opens early

1351
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: and the state stamp, something wound up happening. The state

1352
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: stamp was not available, was not available like fishing game

1353
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: and no one had the state stamp, and we looked

1354
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: and looked and looked, and they're like, the state stamps.

1355
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: Something happened. The state stamp's not available. So we went

1356
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: duck hunting and he's like, where's your state stamp? Like,

1357
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: funny you ask it's not available. We were told it's

1358
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: not available, so we didn't. When when I'm not getting

1359
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: in trouble, he said, like, go get it when it's available.

1360
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: Interesting, Now, were.

1361
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 6: You sweating a little bit?

1362
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, sweating a lot?

1363
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I sweat a lot.

1364
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: I felt that there would have been a big memo

1365
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: out to all the enforcement people saying that one it's

1366
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: that we opened the season yeah, with no availability of

1367
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: the thing, like you couldn't get it. Oh, I sweating

1368
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: and bad. That seemed like a bad thing to get

1369
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: in trouble for. And then it caused me to question

1370
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: like were you really supposed to stay home? Like it

1371
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: felt weird that it's like the season but you can't

1372
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: go because of So we just kind of felt like, well,

1373
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: when it's available, we'll buy it.

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01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 6: Hm. That's a tough one.

1375
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: That's a duck stamp story. That's the only duck damp

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01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: story I got for you.

1377
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 5: I've got a couple of like not signing my stamp

1378
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 5: and then getting checked and like usually they're pretty good

1379
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 5: about like, oh, just sign it, right.

1380
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So what we're talking about is when you buy

1381
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: a Duck stamp for you people out there that don't

1382
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: buy Duck stamps because you don't hunt ducks. One, if

1383
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: you hunt ducks, yeah.

1384
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 6: To buy the damn stamp, you should buy it anyway.

1385
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, But the reason they signed it is they don't

1386
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: want you to be able to just lend your body

1387
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: your your stamp, So they wanted like signed across the

1388
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: face and that becomes your stamp. And you can't like

1389
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: swap stamps because there's nothing on that has your you know,

1390
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: doesn't like it's not like made out to your name.

1391
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: There's no serial numbers signed to you. So you you

1392
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: you graffiti the artwork, You defame the art work with

1393
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: your own.

1394
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, keep one for the you.

1395
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: Know, always I keep all of the mine.

1396
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 8: And I always thought about that because I'm gonna pass

1397
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 8: them down to my son and my grandchildren, and I

1398
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 8: thought about I should buy two, and then I thought

1399
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 8: now that if it was me, I would want one

1400
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 8: with my grandfather's signature, Yeah, So that's.

1401
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 7: I talked to a guy that had every stamp that

1402
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 7: his grandpa he started hunting when the first year of

1403
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 7: the stamp came out, or he didn't start, but he

1404
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 7: had from nineteen thirty five or whatever. He had every

1405
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 7: stamp and then he gave up hunting. He was telling

1406
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 7: me the story at the expo, and then he convinced

1407
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 7: his grandpa to go out one more time, and you know,

1408
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 7: he of course had saved them all, and so he

1409
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 7: grandpa was like nineteen ninety two, He bought one more stamp,

1410
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 7: went out and then he got a picture of his

1411
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 7: bag limit of teal or something with his grandpa with

1412
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 7: a bird dog standing.

1413
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 3: On the hill.

1414
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 7: And then he's got it framed with him in the center,

1415
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 7: and then all the stamps all the way around people.

1416
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: Such the coolest thing.

1417
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how avid of a duck hunter are you?

1418
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 7: When I was a kid, I was, but archery has

1419
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 7: won me over year by year. So but I mean,

1420
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 7: I love to go. It's to me, it's like that's

1421
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 7: quality time with friends. And that's why I love to go.

1422
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: If you know you get the chance, yep.

1423
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: So you're not you're not like a super dedicated waterfowl.

1424
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 3: Hunter, not so much.

1425
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 7: I mean anymore, I'm thinking about how to fill the

1426
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 7: freezer the quickest way possible, and like, so that's I mean,

1427
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 7: that's always my first priority, which usually ends up taking

1428
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 7: the entire fall.

1429
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, cause you mean so you can have more time

1430
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: to get back to your painting, right, yeah, And then

1431
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: are you able to is that are you at a

1432
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: point where you just are an artist and you're an artist,

1433
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 1: you don't do any kind of other work. Nope.

1434
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 7: I came here in twenty fifteen and just decided to

1435
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 7: go for it, and it's been a rough road, but

1436
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 7: I mean, thankfully the internet has kind of helped out

1437
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 7: over the years, and that's kind of been like the

1438
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 7: avenue to.

1439
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 5: Your YouTube page is unbelievable. Oh, thank you with I

1440
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 5: mean thousands and thousands of followers. Yeah, but not to

1441
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 5: mention just hundreds of videos of just like the process

1442
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 5: of the painting and you actually did a cool painting

1443
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 5: behind the scenes of this stamp, right.

1444
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like kind of like the background story yep, yep.

1445
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1446
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 7: And I mean I started the YouTube because I had

1447
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 7: no money. I had like ran out first year I

1448
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 7: was here. I saved up what to do before.

1449
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 3: Sorry, I was a I.

1450
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 7: Went to school for wildlife biology, so I was a

1451
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 7: wildlife tech for majority of my twenties. In seven years,

1452
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 7: I saved up like fifty five hundred dollars doing that,

1453
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 7: which so they don't.

1454
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 3: Pay a lot.

1455
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 7: But I was like, all right, this is maybe like

1456
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 7: a year's worth to live off, and I went for it.

1457
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 7: And then of course I just flat out ran out

1458
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 7: of money, and then the YouTube was kind of like

1459
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 7: out of desperation, like, well, maybe I needed to like

1460
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 7: kind of do what Bob Ross did and maybe that

1461
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 7: would help. And so I literally started the YouTube as

1462
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 7: like maybe this could help me financially, and then that

1463
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,760
Speaker 7: you know, seeing response of other artists, and then other

1464
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 7: people thought it was interesting and it just kind of

1465
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 7: like progressed from there. And then that's been like a

1466
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 7: definitely a stability of the you know, making it as

1467
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:31,719
Speaker 7: an artist.

1468
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 3: That's helped a lot.

1469
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:34,640
Speaker 1: If you took that head off with your hair, just

1470
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: go like.

1471
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 3: That's what I'm waiting, No, not quite.

1472
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 6: How would you describe your style and your work outside

1473
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 6: of the duck stamp paintings?

1474
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 7: Like I said earlier, I think of it as conservation storytelling,

1475
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 7: So you're doing so, And I mean, like I never

1476
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 7: I never dreamed of being an artist growing up. It

1477
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 7: was always like I wanted to do wildlife conservation and

1478
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,799
Speaker 7: so like anything that kept me outside around wildlife, just helping,

1479
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 7: that was what I was passionate about.

1480
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 3: And still am.

1481
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 7: And then through that, obviously I was entering the duck

1482
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,799
Speaker 7: stamp and art was always an interest on the side,

1483
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 7: and it had started growing. I started noticing that people

1484
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 7: took interest in it and they really started to engage

1485
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 7: with like the stories I was trying to convey, you know,

1486
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 7: and I think back of like Terry Redlin was a

1487
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 7: huge inspiration when I was a kid growing up in Minnesota,

1488
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 7: and so like I think I started out trying to

1489
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 7: figure out how to tell stories like that, like how

1490
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 7: did he how was he so good at telling stories?

1491
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 7: And how could I do that in my own way?

1492
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 7: And once I started seeing people react to it and

1493
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 7: engage with it, and I started thinking like, maybe this

1494
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 7: is a way to to further what I'd like to

1495
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 7: contribute to conservation by just getting people's attention, Like maybe

1496
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 7: sometimes you don't have to have a greater purpose other

1497
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 7: than just engaging people and starting a conversation. So I thought, well,

1498
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,679
Speaker 7: maybe I could tell stories around things that I really

1499
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 7: care about and that that would bring interest towards those subjects.

1500
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 7: And so that's where that's how I started.

1501
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 3: To think about my artwork.

1502
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 7: And then that you know a few years later, I

1503
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 7: won the Colorado and the California Duck stamp, and then

1504
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 7: that's when I was like, Okay, I got just give

1505
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 7: this a try.

1506
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 6: Nice. Your pieces do have a really cool like narrative

1507
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 6: element where that includes all the elements like the landscape,

1508
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 6: maybe even a little human element like a barn and

1509
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 6: some of them, or like the obviously the wildlife. I

1510
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 6: love that narrative aspect of your work.

1511
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, got some examples, Yeah, I can put on the screen.

1512
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: So that's a yeah, that's amazing that.

1513
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 7: That's a close up of one. And then the next one,

1514
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 7: which was the canue birds.

1515
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 4: Are in there just came max Is on it like

1516
01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 4: the skies opened up.

1517
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's I'm not going to say

1518
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 7: what this painting is for just yet, but so those

1519
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 7: are kind of two close ups of the painting. But yeah,

1520
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 7: it's a guy throwing decoys.

1521
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 5: Out that looks like a Terry Redlin.

1522
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, I definitely was heavily inspired

1523
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 7: as a kid, and now now I'm trying to figure

1524
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 7: out like.

1525
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 3: How to how to find my own path.

1526
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 7: And yeah, because I think, you know, he cared a

1527
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 7: lot about family, for community values, religion. It was clear

1528
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 7: and while you know, being in the outdoors and so

1529
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 7: he obviously accomplished a lot with that.

1530
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 3: People still talk about it.

1531
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 5: And I mean he got his own museum now.

1532
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,639
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I want.

1533
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 3: To bad Yeah, very very cool. Yeah, yeah, I've heard.

1534
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a mostly half done painting of some

1535
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: big Bolsheviks man.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think the next one shows the full

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01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 7: of what I'm working on.

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01:13:56,479 --> 01:13:57,879
Speaker 3: So that's on the easel currently.

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01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: That's what you're working weigh on right now.

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 13: And you do so you do like an underpainting, Yeah yeah,

1541
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 13: and so you know, like the underpainting is a lot

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 13: that's like the most common question is why orange and

1543
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 13: why brown?

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 7: And like, well, if you were to paint let's say,

1545
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 7: like a window and you held it up to a light,

1546
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 7: you'd obviously see the light.

1547
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 3: Coming through it.

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01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 7: So you're not just seeing the paint, You're seeing what's

1549
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 7: bouncing off underneath. And the light that's coming back through it.

1550
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 7: So if it's a cold color or if it's white,

1551
01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 7: it's going to change how you perceive the color.

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01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: So what you're talking about is chuck something about then

1553
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 1: how to describe it?

1554
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 6: The underpainting.

1555
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a painting that's half done. And then but

1556
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: but instead of having like a white, instead of painting

1557
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: on a white canvas, you go through and make it orange.

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01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it depends what you're trying to accomplish. I

1559
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 7: really prefer like the warmth of that. But I mean

1560
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 7: that's like a cool nighttime scene. Some artists will want

1561
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 7: to do like a cooler color blue.

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 5: So there's paint for the painting.

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01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: You paint the canvas orange.

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01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, Oh that's where I've gotten wrong all these years.

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 1: Start on white white?

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1568
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: How old were you when you made your first painting?

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 7: My mom has a finger painting framed from when I

1570
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 7: was like one and a half eighteen months or something.

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 3: Like that, so she says, I started early, Okay, when

1572
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 3: did you start?

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01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: For real?

1574
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 7: It progressed. I don't know if I could. I started painting.

1575
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 7: I mean I progressed through drawing my whole childhood, and

1576
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 7: then the colored pencils, and then I dove into painting

1577
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 7: when I really got interested in the duck snap because

1578
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 7: I kind of, oh, no, kid, you know, because you

1579
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 7: know that it's like, well, nothing but color has ever

1580
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 7: really won post nineteen fifty or something. So I knew

1581
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 7: I had to figure out how to paint and how

1582
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:49,799
Speaker 7: to do color if I wanted to compete.

1583
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 3: So that I think it.

1584
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,120
Speaker 7: Was twenty years old, twenty one, and I decided to

1585
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 7: pick up paints.

1586
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 6: Is this oil or acurlic?

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01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: It's oil soil?

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01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: Can you pick paying that picture over behind you? That's

1589
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: a work of art.

1590
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 2: How many.

1591
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 5: Ways can you paint? Like Kelsey said, oil, acrylic, there's watercolor.

1592
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 3: Watercolor, gash.

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01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,599
Speaker 7: Those are kind of the main ones. Yeah, Like there's

1594
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,880
Speaker 7: not too many people, I don't think as artists.

1595
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: Can you guys critique this? This is? This is a

1596
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 1: paint a picture by Clay Nuke. It's a future man?

1597
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 4: Is that daytime or night time?

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01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: Mid day? It's a future man? Or the machine gun

1599
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: like some kind of future space alien or the machine

1600
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: gun he's getting charged by a wild hog.

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01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:48,719
Speaker 3: That sums up my childhood artwork style.

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01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're still hoping, so does if you

1603
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 1: if you didn't know anything about this artist, would you

1604
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: would you see a demonstration of raw talent or do

1605
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: you just see juvenile you?

1606
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,760
Speaker 7: You know, I think it's like a combination of an

1607
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 7: unhealthy obsession and persistence.

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01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,759
Speaker 1: That ray bays in that picture.

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01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 8: I'm giving that a oh that's out when I was looking.

1610
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 1: You know how little kids always have like what they draw.

1611
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: I would draw, uh, amphibious assaults, okay, And I would

1612
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: draw large large planes, Indian encampments. Oh so I'd do

1613
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: like a landscape, and then I would just fill it

1614
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: with teepees, lots.

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01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 6: Of around both men. You'll find one of those, and.

1616
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: A signature, like a signature of my amphibious insalts would

1617
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: be I like to specialize in shattering glass. These amphibious

1618
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: vehicles I did had a window that was susceptible to

1619
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 1: an outward chatter for whatever reason, and that would denote

1620
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: like a certain amount of peril and gunplay happening, any

1621
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: amphibious assaults. But then I gave up on that, never

1622
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: did any more art done. Yeah, I don't know what

1623
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: was your thing when you were a kid.

1624
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,280
Speaker 7: It was I mean, honestly, it was therapy for me

1625
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 7: because I hated being in the classroom.

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01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: Huh.

1627
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 7: I mean I grew up in a with parents that

1628
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 7: had me outdoors from the very start. My parents were

1629
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 7: competitive archer archers, and so they had a bow and

1630
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 7: arrow in my hands since I was two.

1631
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: You were supposed to do that.

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, and then uh, you know, like going on canoe

1633
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 7: trips to the Canadian wilderness Quetico since I was six,

1634
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 7: And I mean that's just what like I was infatuated with.

1635
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 7: And then when I got to like kindergarten elementary, I

1636
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 7: hated everything about it and I struggled in school. Like socially,

1637
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 7: I did not have a great time making friends, and

1638
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,360
Speaker 7: so to get through my days, I would just fill

1639
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 7: my notebooks with sketches. And that's I feel like where

1640
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 7: it started. And just like combat sketches or you doing

1641
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 7: wildlife everything.

1642
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then and then it's like teacher caricatures.

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01:18:57,560 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 7: I started to focus more on wildlife when I got

1644
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 7: to like middle school, high school, and I would start

1645
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 7: to hand them out to my friends. So like all

1646
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 7: the lockers of friends I had would have like my

1647
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 7: drawings in there.

1648
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:10,799
Speaker 3: And then I became known.

1649
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 7: As like the kid that did caricatures of the teachers

1650
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 7: in the back, and yeah.

1651
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: At what age were you known among your bodies as

1652
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: a like a good artist.

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01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 7: I don't think until probably college that I really started

1654
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 7: to progress with it, because I mean it was just

1655
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 7: something I did just to get through my days prior

1656
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 7: to that. And then I'll never forget the senior year

1657
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 7: in high school. You know, you have like an art

1658
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 7: class that you can take, and they had given the

1659
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 7: students the opportunity to just do whatever you want to

1660
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 7: do for your final project. And I did like some

1661
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 7: duck hunters and a blind or something like that, and

1662
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 7: the teacher was like, you could sell that. When I

1663
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 7: was presenting it, and I remember all the kids were

1664
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 7: like eyebrows high, like giving me a nod, and I'm like,

1665
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 7: really like hung. So I opened an eBay account that

1666
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,720
Speaker 7: next month, and so then we're out of school for

1667
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 7: the summer and I put a grizzly bear drawing on

1668
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,560
Speaker 7: eBay and it sold for eighty bucks and that was

1669
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 7: the first time I made money of my art.

1670
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: And it was actually, you're kidding me.

1671
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 3: It was actually my mom's boss that bought it. But

1672
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 3: I mean that was it.

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01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 7: That was like, I mean, game changer for me. Because

1674
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 7: then I realized like maybe I could do something with this,

1675
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 7: and at the time it was like I'm gonna do

1676
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 7: it on the side. That was my spending money in college.

1677
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 7: And I told my dad, I think first year after college,

1678
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 7: was like, can I just try this over the summer,

1679
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,040
Speaker 7: And He's like, in the first month, if you can

1680
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 7: make as much as I think you could make, like

1681
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 7: doing landscaping you did the year prior, like, I'll let

1682
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 7: you do it, you know, and you can live at

1683
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 7: home or whatever. And so I did. I mean that's

1684
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 7: when I started heavy on pet portraits and I got

1685
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 7: enough pet portraits.

1686
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 6: How I made, you know, I made.

1687
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 7: Enough, and then that became kind of like the thing

1688
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 7: I did on the side ever since.

1689
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: So, so you when you were little, like looking back

1690
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: on it, you had an artist meant you were like

1691
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: an artist without knowing you were an artist.

1692
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, Like I was always attracted to it, whether

1693
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 7: I knew it or not. And it was never like

1694
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 7: super intentional, but it was just it was a form

1695
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 7: of expression. If I was a board, yeah, I just

1696
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 7: had to do something with my hands.

1697
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh. Now do you selling galleries or mostly online?

1698
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 1: If people want to go look at your paintings. I mean,

1699
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you got an awesome website.

1700
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, think you.

1701
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 7: I mean it's all online right now. And that has

1702
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 7: just been the result of you know, when I moved here,

1703
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 7: I thought, maybe this is a great place to get

1704
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 7: involved in the art community. It seems like it's, you know,

1705
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 7: like a thriving art scene. And of course I had

1706
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 7: my resume was I was a wildlife tech and I

1707
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 7: love to paint, and that didn't fly with anybody, so

1708
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 7: I could not break into the scene. But then that

1709
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 7: pushed me to to really go on.

1710
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: You couldn't break into the art scene, yeah.

1711
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 5: Like galleries or anything like does it not going to

1712
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 5: art school or what was the reason?

1713
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 7: I mean, I think, I think. I think they do

1714
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,400
Speaker 7: value of a resume a lot, for like in galleries,

1715
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 7: because I mean that's how they sell to people that

1716
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 7: don't know who the artists are in a gallery. I mean,

1717
01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 7: they use It's not just a meritocracy, no, I it's it's.

1718
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 6: Near impossible for a budding artist to just walk into

1719
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 6: a gallery and get picked up. It happens, but they're

1720
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 6: looking for people that have had success at a show

1721
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 6: or like a lot of galleries will pick up an

1722
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 6: artist that is has a career.

1723
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Rolling the gallery right right. I remember when I was

1724
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 1: starting out writing. I remember there's a writer that said

1725
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: to me, I don't remember what happened, like something I

1726
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: did or not. He goes, well, now you have like

1727
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 1: the stamp on your forehead.

1728
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like what do you mean?

1729
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: He goes. You're like, you're now like, now everyone will

1730
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 1: take you seriously when you go to sell your work.

1731
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 6: You need to prove yourself a little bit.

1732
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, but you can't. It doesn't matter what

1733
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: you write. You have to get up and get the stamp. Yeah,

1734
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: and then you're fine.

1735
01:22:58,680 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 6: That's pretty much it.

1736
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: But the damp's got to be there or else no

1737
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: one will even know. Your stuff could be great, but

1738
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: no one will know it because they don't see the stamp.

1739
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 6: Yeah. This is literally a big ass stamp.

1740
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 5: Ye.

1741
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 7: But I mean that that led me to push online,

1742
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 7: you know, and that that that was twenty fifteen and

1743
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 7: so Instagram.

1744
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 3: I was telling.

1745
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,599
Speaker 7: Kelsey that was like the first year that it really

1746
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 7: started taking off, and so I started getting traction on.

1747
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 7: Basically I'd post anywhere I could on social media. When

1748
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 7: TikTok was musically, I saw some business guru online said

1749
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 7: you need a musically that's the future, and so I

1750
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 7: opened up a musically account, which was all just like

1751
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 7: twelve and thirteen year old kids singing and dancing, no

1752
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 7: idea what to do with it, and I like posted

1753
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 7: a couple like revealed videos of like, hey, this is

1754
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 7: my newest painting and put like some pop song onto it,

1755
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 7: and then it just took off, and then they changed

1756
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 7: to TikTok, and then TikTok became like the biggest way

1757
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 7: to gain new clients for me in like previous like

1758
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 7: recent years.

1759
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: So when they keep talking about banning TikTok, you're sweating that.

1760
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 7: I mean, I've diversified enough where I you know, and

1761
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 7: I know how to do it now.

1762
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 3: Like if it's not that, and it's the next thing.

1763
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Those Chinese spying on your dunt painting?

1764
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 3: Does this name graceful anticipation?

1765
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: What's the anticipating Max Max taking Max jump shooting them?

1766
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 7: So the story, like Max said, the video I posted

1767
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 7: of us going out and that back then, I was

1768
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 7: just I love fiddling around with cameras and so I

1769
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 7: was just gathering videos and of course I love to

1770
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 7: video birds and stuff too. So when we had found

1771
01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 7: this drake on this small pothole walking out every morning.

1772
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 7: We set up on it on the last morning, and

1773
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 7: it was very evident after sitting there that morning that

1774
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 7: he would just be there right away at first light,

1775
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 7: and he would sit there and whistle shake the water

1776
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 7: until the hen showed up. And then the hen would

1777
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 7: show up, they'd go in the grass and do their thing,

1778
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 7: and then they'd be gone for the day and you'd

1779
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 7: never see him again. So he's waiting for the hen

1780
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 7: to arrive. On the stamp, the carrier design is the

1781
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 7: moment that the hen is arriving. So the carrier painting

1782
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 7: full circle. Yeah, so graceful anticipation. And then the carrier

1783
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 7: paintings is titled the Arrival.

1784
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 5: Wow, that's creative.

1785
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1786
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: You know Kelsey has a gallery. Yeah, I know, studio gallery.

1787
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have yet to walk in.

1788
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: Probably she might reject you, but maybe now ye stamp,

1789
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: maybe I am, but maybe I do have some space.

1790
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 7: It's I mean, it's a tough balance because now I've

1791
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 7: established myself among many of of clients and collectors that

1792
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 7: I know personally, and I get the prices that I want.

1793
01:25:57,800 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 7: But then most galleries, if you do get in and

1794
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 7: they want fifty So then now how do you how

1795
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 7: do you juggle that? I mean, do you double your prices?

1796
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 7: Because that doesn't seem you know, very moral and so yeah,

1797
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 7: so it's yeah.

1798
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Do you have competitive terms at your gallery actually a

1799
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: broker relationships.

1800
01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 6: I moved the gallery away from a collaborative space to

1801
01:26:21,080 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 6: all my own stuff now, so it's yeah, it's it's

1802
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 6: back to just.

1803
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 1: So studio galerries just you know this, Yeah, that's all

1804
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:28,799
Speaker 1: just because you need more space.

1805
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 6: No, it's just I found that I brought in a

1806
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 6: caliber of artists that deserved a different space. Like I'm

1807
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 6: in three fourks. It's there's not exactly a huge art market.

1808
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 6: When people come to my studio and my gallery, they're

1809
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 6: there to see my work, and I was watching these

1810
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 6: amazing works to get a little overlooked. And you know,

1811
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 6: we had some great success there with the other artists,

1812
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:55,240
Speaker 6: but they just and many of them have gone on

1813
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 6: to get in like big gallery. So it just was

1814
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 6: like so good for them, I think, But it was

1815
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:04,560
Speaker 6: a great experience.

1816
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: And so studio a gallery as you can go, you'll

1817
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: be their working Yeah, yeah, and people can come see

1818
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: your work there. Yep.

1819
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 6: I'm open, you know, five days a week, and I'm

1820
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 6: in there painting. You walk in, you see what I'm

1821
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 6: working on, and then you can walk through and see

1822
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 6: the rest of my works.

1823
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 3: Pretty fun.

1824
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I need. I'm in a spare bedroom stuff.

1825
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: Well, man, I appreciate you coming on the show, dude.

1826
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

1827
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: You know what, we were right when it came out

1828
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:33,960
Speaker 1: in the news, like, I don't know the hell when

1829
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,559
Speaker 1: would have come out in the news, late September. Right away, Yeah,

1830
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: Krinn and I were like, man, we should get the

1831
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:42,759
Speaker 1: guy that the Montana guy that won the duck stamp.

1832
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: But then Krin's like, we should wait till people start

1833
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 1: buying their ducks, you know. So we actually talked about

1834
01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 1: doing this back then, but then Krinn was pointed out

1835
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: rightfully that no one can go get it. If you

1836
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: do it later, it'll be that it's like in your

1837
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: wallet and you can pull it out of your wallet

1838
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,599
Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah shit, yeah, is a person

1839
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: a person painted that?

1840
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 3: Great timing?

1841
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, like an artist who's trying to make it as

1842
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:07,240
Speaker 1: an artist painted that. I'm gonna go get mine right

1843
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 1: after this dude fired up.

1844
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 7: Now, Yeah, can I just give a shout out to

1845
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 7: the Junior Stamp contest because I know Karin mentioned it earlier.

1846
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 7: That's been a huge passion of mine because I'm sure

1847
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 7: a lot of your thought is how to bridge the

1848
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 7: gap and I think you've probably done a very good

1849
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 7: job at that between people that don't understand conservation and

1850
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 7: hunting and people that do, and how to, you know,

1851
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 7: how to connect with both audiences and the Junior Stamp.

1852
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 7: I got involved twelve years ago or so at the

1853
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 7: Prairie Wetlands Learning Center Fergus Falls, Minnesota. And that's a

1854
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 7: it's a US Fish and Wildlife Service facility that's incorporated

1855
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 7: into the local K through twelve district, And so the

1856
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 7: kids spent half of their school year on a WMA

1857
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 7: and they basically everything that they learn is centered around

1858
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 7: the outdoors and conservation and kind of like intertwined.

1859
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,559
Speaker 3: And so they have the kids.

1860
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 7: One of the big projects is they have all their

1861
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 7: students enter the Junior Duck Stamp and then they write

1862
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 7: a paper on the bird species they chose. And so

1863
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 7: that I work there one season at the Wetland Management District,

1864
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 7: and so they asked me, like, hey, would you know

1865
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 7: they knew that I was always entering the duck stamp,

1866
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 7: would you speak to the kids and get involved? And

1867
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,720
Speaker 7: so I did like a presentation, and that now has

1868
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 7: become a tradition that I do every year coo, and

1869
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 7: it's been really it, you know, I now I realize

1870
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 7: the impact that this program has. I mean a lot

1871
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 7: of these kids, just like Emily, have no background. They're

1872
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 7: just that's just what you know. They're just there for

1873
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 7: K through twelve education. But after I come and present,

1874
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 7: they do their painting. I mean, they send me a

1875
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,479
Speaker 7: stack of note cards at the end of the year

1876
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 7: of just thank you notes, and then they draw me.

1877
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 7: Each student draws me like a hundred and some students

1878
01:30:00,120 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 7: draw me their own duck and mail.

1879
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 3: Them to me like this whole packet.

1880
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: Every year.

1881
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 3: The teacher said that a couple.

1882
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 7: Of them chose their final project or just write it

1883
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 7: on myself, which I'm like, well it's but like I'm

1884
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 7: just there one day and I'm showing them artwork and

1885
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 7: talking them about the duck stamp, and they just become

1886
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 7: addicted to it and like so this is a government

1887
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 7: sponsored program that very few people participate in, and the

1888
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 7: you know, when you think about how many classrooms and

1889
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 7: students are out there that is designed to do just that,

1890
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:40,720
Speaker 7: bridge the gap and teach young individuals about conservation. That

1891
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 7: mean kids love. To me, two things are like true

1892
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 7: passion as a kid, you love artwork, and you love stories.

1893
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:52,480
Speaker 7: And you know, kids love the doodle play with materials.

1894
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 7: And then I mean it's whether you're watching a movie

1895
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 7: or cartoons like it's this. You know, kids love stories

1896
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 7: and the story of the duck stamp, the history of

1897
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 7: the program is a really fantastic story. And so they

1898
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:09,640
Speaker 7: you know, that is taught in their experience of participating

1899
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 7: in the Junior Stamp program. And I mean, I would

1900
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 7: just I think we need to encourage a lot more parents.

1901
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 7: I mean, whether you're a teacher like Emily's teacher getting

1902
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,240
Speaker 7: your kids your students involved, or whether you're just a

1903
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 7: parent and want to get your kids involved.

1904
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 3: Anybody can do it.

1905
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 7: You can get the packet online and get started and

1906
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 7: you know, submit a painting.

1907
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:34,439
Speaker 1: We should have put that in the Kids Activity book

1908
01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:37,519
Speaker 1: Man Catch Crayfish count Stars. Should have had a thing

1909
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,559
Speaker 1: like submit your duck stamp book.

1910
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 6: Two.

1911
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:41,799
Speaker 4: You can encourage that.

1912
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Start kicking that one teacher's ass a little bit sending

1913
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: some kids over there to compete. All right, so you can't.

1914
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: You can't do one for three years? You got to

1915
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: sit out.

1916
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty twenty seven.

1917
01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 5: Do you know what the ducks are for your twenty

1918
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 5: twenty seven?

1919
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 3: I think they released this coming year?

1920
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, starts gaming?

1921
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah? Are you gonna spend three years working on it? No?

1922
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Do you live it? How long? So the next time

1923
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: you can submit, are you gonna limit yourself to how

1924
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: much time you can spend on it?

1925
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,559
Speaker 7: I had already started doing that just because I mean,

1926
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 7: like I said earlier, just the practicality of it. I mean,

1927
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,919
Speaker 7: it's the end of the day, it's just a contest

1928
01:32:21,960 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 7: and a gamble, you know, you just put in and

1929
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:28,160
Speaker 7: cross your fingers. So yeah, I mean, I I want

1930
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 7: to say I spent three weeks of like total commitment

1931
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 7: on this year's I mean, but I mean that's night

1932
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 7: and day, I mean seven days a week.

1933
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many hours? How many hours do you have

1934
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: into that painting? If you had to take a stab?

1935
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:46,400
Speaker 7: Uh, the painting itself was probably twelve days. But I

1936
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 7: mean that's wearing sweats and looking like cramp round the clock.

1937
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 7: So I don't know, twelve times ten twelve hours a

1938
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 7: day and then they're you know, the planning and actually

1939
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 7: going out and getting reference. I mean all adds up

1940
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:01,919
Speaker 7: to a huge commitment.

1941
01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well paid off man, it did. Yeah yeah, congratulations.

1942
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 3: You can't wait to see your next one.

1943
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 6: Well deserved.

1944
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 1: I like any kind of story about American elbow grease man, yep,

1945
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: And that's this is all about making a plan, like

1946
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: having a dream, working on it struggles, Yeah, overcoming all

1947
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: that ship.

1948
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 3: Right, and it feels like maybe there's a chance.

1949
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: There's a chance, man, there's a chance. I can tell

1950
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: you got Yeah, you're devoted. Thank you, you know, thanks

1951
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: for coming on the show with Shuck Black and Kelsey

1952
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 1: neanxt for coming on the show. Go pay Kelsey visit

1953
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,759
Speaker 1: at Studio Gallery Three Forks, Montana.

1954
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,800
Speaker 6: I'm actually I have some stuff in the Mediator store

1955
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 6: now too, you do.

1956
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've been writing so much about Three Forks

1957
01:33:45,800 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: because we're working on the next Meat Eaters American History,

1958
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: which is the story of the Mountain Men.

1959
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:50,960
Speaker 6: Lots going on.

1960
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: I can't get a paragraph without having to talk about

1961
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: Three Forks. A ton lot went on there. Yeah, God,

1962
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: the mono dudes just bit the dust around three forks.

1963
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, we were. We went on SETH and I went

1964
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 6: on a little walk the other day and we came

1965
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 6: across a little plaque about Colter's run, and there's just

1966
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,200
Speaker 6: like pretty much everywhere you look, there's little things like that.

1967
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: Oh listen, he a lot of dudes bit the dust

1968
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 1: around three forks, and not always in a pretty way. No,

1969
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: but what you when you're reading about Culter, what is

1970
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: often omitted is what happened to the guy he was with.

1971
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 6: He got killed, right.

1972
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: Not just killed, chopped up, and then Colter was smeared

1973
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:33,840
Speaker 1: in his innards.

1974
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 3: Oh god, sounds like a podcast.

1975
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is. It's Media's American History The Mountain Book.

1976
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: Yeah you'll get the full, Yeah, brutal, the full on

1977
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 1: the bridge. And then there's a so check this out.

1978
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 1: This is a little preyler to so Media's American History

1979
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,320
Speaker 1: the Mountain I'm working out now, but this is dude.

1980
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 1: So this one group of trappers is going up river,

1981
01:34:57,920 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: this group Mountain is going up river and one of

1982
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 1: the guys get second thoughts and bales and they take

1983
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: this this the head of this group of trappers takes

1984
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: another trapper who was actually a Lewis. John Colter was

1985
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark alumni. John Potts, who Colter's enterds got

1986
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: smeared on, was a Lewis and Clark alumni. And there's

1987
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: this guy I don't know how to pronounce his name,

1988
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 1: like Dreillard or Drew Llard. Yeah, he was a Lewis

1989
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 1: and Clark alumni. So this one trapper splits and the

1990
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 1: head of the expedition says, hey, go find him and

1991
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: bring him to me, dead or alive.

1992
01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 3: Go trap him.

1993
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: He goes, catches up to him, shoots him in the

1994
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: back between the shoulder blades, hauls him back to camp.

1995
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: They say, you shouldn't have tried to do that. They

1996
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: stick them in the canoe and float them down river.

1997
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 1: He washes up dead downriver on the beach. Then his

1998
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: killer winds up dead, chopped up head setting on his

1999
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 1: horse in Three Forks.

2000
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 6: Remember for that one. I'm just.

2001
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:06,920
Speaker 1: A whole big part of the story of the Mountain

2002
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Men is them getting over like that era, them getting

2003
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: over the idea of the three Forks and moving south

2004
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: because Lewis and Clark when they came through, they saw

2005
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: so much. They spent a lot of time there and

2006
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 1: They're like, there's a shipload of beavers there. And so

2007
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 1: it was like this they were very focused on when

2008
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: we got to get to that area, because they talked

2009
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: about how much how many beavers are in the area,

2010
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,479
Speaker 1: and they kept going there and the Blackfeet for a

2011
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: long time or like they want nothing to do with this.

2012
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: They didn't want to enter the fur trade with the Americans.

2013
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: They didn't want Americans in their area. And they're like

2014
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:47,680
Speaker 1: just very forcefully saying, do not come into our area.

2015
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 1: You know, they said it politely, they said it not

2016
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:56,559
Speaker 1: so polightly. And eventually they like these trappers trying to

2017
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: come out or kind of like eventually they got legit,

2018
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 1: gave up, oh and move south and that kind of

2019
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: launched sort of like this heyday of the Mountain then.

2020
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,560
Speaker 1: But they were always drawn like a moth to flames

2021
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 1: to the three fok dude, and you go there and

2022
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: bad shit happens.

2023
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:16,080
Speaker 6: Now there's a little art glory.

2024
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 1: Now you go there and pay attention to go ahead,

2025
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 1: visit the studio. Lot's changed in the West.

2026
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:23,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess.

2027
01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks guys, appreciate you coming up. Go buy

2028
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: your duckt stamp yep.

2029
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 14: Uh so no, we've got a day left. We're gonna

2030
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 14: do everything everything we can in our power to make

2031
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 14: this happen, all of us, everybody here on on the side.

2032
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 14: Like I said, it feels a little cooler. We got

2033
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,200
Speaker 14: some cloud cover which was like the great day we

2034
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,679
Speaker 14: had that, so really excited for tonight.

2035
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,120
Speaker 3: But let's switch gears a little.

2036
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:52,680
Speaker 14: Bit and get into Luke Comb's hunting and how it

2037
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 14: kind of ties into some of your music, and you know,

2038
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 14: you're starting to get more and more references in your

2039
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 14: song lyrics that you mentioned. It's becoming a bigger, you know,

2040
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 14: a piece of your life. You're keeping a and maybe

2041
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 14: it's too personal. This can get cut out, like keeping

2042
01:38:05,160 --> 01:38:07,439
Speaker 14: a diary for your kids, like just a hunting journal.

2043
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: So what does honey mean to you? When did you start?

2044
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 14: Kind of give us a little background on that and

2045
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 14: just in general.

2046
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 10: Yeah, I really started, I don't know, I guess probably

2047
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 10: eight years ago now and have just been kind of

2048
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 10: have just become obsessed with it, you know really, you

2049
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 10: know obviously my you know, my what I do for

2050
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 10: a living is very sensory overload, you know what I mean.

2051
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 10: Like it's just a lot of one place to the

2052
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 10: next to this place, to that place, and in this

2053
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 10: car and in to this place and doing interviews and

2054
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 10: doing photo shoots and shoot music videos and in the

2055
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 10: studio and writing songs and it never ends, you know.

2056
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 10: So I think these trips for me, you know, hunting

2057
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,880
Speaker 10: started out as a way to kind of it's the

2058
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:57,640
Speaker 10: complete antithesis of that, right, Like it does ultimately, it

2059
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 10: does culminate with some super climax, high intensity moment if

2060
01:39:03,960 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 10: everything goes right. But like the lead up, you know,

2061
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 10: it's like everything about it is very I don't know,

2062
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 10: there's a lot of calming elements too, like the whole process, right,

2063
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 10: Like you know, I like if you're pumped to go

2064
01:39:18,479 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 10: hunting to shoot an animal, it's like you're I mean, yeah,

2065
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 10: that's the end goal, but it's like just there would

2066
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,120
Speaker 10: you would leave feeling empty if you showed up and

2067
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 10: then you shot an animal and that was the end

2068
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 10: and it all ended right, like, you know, spending time

2069
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,720
Speaker 10: outside and being with you know, like minded people. And

2070
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 10: I've also learned a tremendous amount of life lessons from

2071
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 10: being out here, right, you know. I was talking with

2072
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 10: you earlier when we were in the tent, when this

2073
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 10: was all getting set up and talking about how, you know,

2074
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 10: the music stuff for me has always come really naturally,

2075
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:55,559
Speaker 10: you know, and not that it wasn't you know, really difficult,

2076
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 10: and that it's not a lot of work, and it

2077
01:39:57,360 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 10: is all that, but it's never felt like I never

2078
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 10: felt like I had a lot to overcome in the

2079
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 10: sense of and I guess that I did, but it

2080
01:40:08,479 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 10: just never felt that way.

2081
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: You know.

2082
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 10: It's something that I was naturally good at, and I

2083
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 10: really always believed in myself and my ability to do that,

2084
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 10: and and once I decided I was going to do

2085
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,599
Speaker 10: that for a living, it seemed like I didn't really

2086
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 10: hit a lot of setbacks, you know, just the way

2087
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 10: my story kind of played out.

2088
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 2: I'm very thankful for that.

2089
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 10: I'm very lucky, but you know, I'm you know, we've

2090
01:40:30,880 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 10: talked about a little bit on this trip that I'm

2091
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 10: gonna just sawing a bit of a cold streak in

2092
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 10: the woods man like like the bull dropping. And you know,

2093
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,760
Speaker 10: I've I've had some some other hunts that just kind

2094
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:45,360
Speaker 10: of everything You do everything the right way and then

2095
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 10: it doesn't work out, you know, the way that that

2096
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 10: it's supposed to, And I mean even down to the

2097
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 10: you know, the eleventh hour.

2098
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 2: You know, like I've had stuff recently.

2099
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 10: Where I'm like, we're already celebrating and then it's it

2100
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 10: doesn't go away that you think that it's going to go.

2101
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 10: And so I've learned a lot through those experiences, right

2102
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:06,719
Speaker 10: that that not you know, just because you do everything

2103
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 10: you can, and you you prepare the best that you

2104
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 10: possibly can, and you do everything you feel like the

2105
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:15,559
Speaker 10: right way, and you're coming on these you know, public

2106
01:41:15,640 --> 01:41:18,640
Speaker 10: land hunts, and you know, I could probably afford to

2107
01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 10: go do whatever hunt I wanted to, but I don't

2108
01:41:20,479 --> 01:41:22,720
Speaker 10: want to do that. You know, I want I want

2109
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:24,799
Speaker 10: it to be a challenge. I want it to be difficult.

2110
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 10: I want there to be you know, I want it

2111
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 10: to be you know, I don't can't say I want

2112
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,560
Speaker 10: to go hike to the top of the Himalayan mountains,

2113
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 10: but you know what I mean, Like, I don't want

2114
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,839
Speaker 10: it to be I don't want to just sit in

2115
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 10: in front of a you know, in front of a

2116
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 10: big pile of apples and they go, well that's you know,

2117
01:41:41,439 --> 01:41:44,479
Speaker 10: this is you know, Razor Blade's going to walk out

2118
01:41:44,479 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 10: in five minutes.

2119
01:41:45,439 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, And you're gonna shoot that.

2120
01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm just not interested in that, you know.

2121
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,200
Speaker 10: So, but yeah, I keep that journal, man, and it

2122
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 10: helps me kind of and especially through this, through this

2123
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 10: kind of last year. I guess that's it's been really

2124
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,960
Speaker 10: tough for me, at least big game wise, it's been.

2125
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 10: It's been tough for me. I've had a great Turkey

2126
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 10: season this year. I'm thankful for that.

2127
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 2: I love that.

2128
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,360
Speaker 10: You know, Turkey Woods seems like the only thing that

2129
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 10: keep me coming back right now. You know, it hasn't

2130
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 10: been a lot of hasn't hasn't been a lot of

2131
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 10: good outcomes anywhere else. But I keep that journal really,

2132
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 10: you know, I me and my friends talk about it

2133
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,960
Speaker 10: a lot. That I go hunting with you know, Dan

2134
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,120
Speaker 10: and Read they have a podcast through Meet And I've

2135
01:42:23,120 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 10: been hunting with those guys for years and they're some

2136
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,280
Speaker 10: of my best friends. And you know, they grew up

2137
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 10: hunting and their dad hunts, and so they're like, man,

2138
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,240
Speaker 10: I just I wish I had I wish my dad

2139
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 10: would have done that.

2140
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:35,200
Speaker 1: You know.

2141
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:36,960
Speaker 2: I wish I could go back and read all my.

2142
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:41,599
Speaker 10: Dad's you know, the days that he was miserable and

2143
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:43,640
Speaker 10: the days that he was you know, that he got

2144
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 10: the biggest year of his life. I wish I could

2145
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 10: have all that stuff, you know, And so my wife

2146
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:51,280
Speaker 10: bought me that book a few years ago for Christmas,

2147
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 10: I think around twenty nineteen. And just this Elkhunt's going

2148
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 10: to be the last pages of my first first journal.

2149
01:42:58,560 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 2: That will be completely filled up.

2150
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 10: Uh So I'm excited about about starting the next one

2151
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 10: and and hopefully we can get we can get.

2152
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:07,720
Speaker 2: Something done, and there'll be something good in the end

2153
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: of that one.

2154
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna do everything we can. Mm hmmm

2155
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: mm hmmmmmmmmmm

2156
01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 12: Mm hmm