1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: Hey you, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: and there's Chuck who knows where Jerry is. But this 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: is short stuff, so it doesn't matter because we can 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: handle it ourselves with a little assist by our friend 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: Dave Kustan. Yeah, I don't think we We don't shout 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: out Dave enough, not nearly enough. As a matter of fact, 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: let's just make this episode us talking about how great 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Davis right, the original Black Cowboy, that's right, um, but 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: totally wrong, but it was a it was a decent 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: attempt at a sea. Yeah, because we all know the 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: original black Cowboy was Sheriff Bart and Blazing Saddles. Oh yeah, yeah, 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: I forgot about that movie. That's a that's is that 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: a good one? I mean it's a classic. It couldn't 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: be made today, sure, but uh, you know, written by 15 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: mel Brooks and the great Richard Pryor and uh I 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: think there was one other co writer. But yeah, they 17 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: played that for comedy in that movie. But as it 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: turns out, there were a lot of black cowboys in 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: the United States, and you just don't see a bunch 20 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: of movies and TV shows where they're represented, shock, shock, 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: But they were I mean, there are some statistics that 22 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: say or more of al all cowboys, Um, after the 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: Civil War in the wild West, were these black men 24 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: out there like doing cowboy stuff, working hard rope and cattle, 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: doing all the things that you see in the movies. Yeah, 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 1: like that. The idea from what I can tell from 27 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: the research is that the popular conception of cowboys and 28 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: cowboy life and what cowboys did is fairly accurate. But 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: the the race of them is what was off that 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: that the just the fact that black people were not 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: at all represented among cowboys in the popularization of you know, 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: cowboy life back east. Um, it's just that's the historical 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: misunderstanding and that um apparently, even before or the Civil War, 34 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: most black cowboys, according to one historian of the American West, um, 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: most of them, most of the cowboys were black, and 36 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: that it was a job that was um open to 37 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: enslaved people basically, and that if you were white you 38 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to be known as a cowboy, that that 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: job was potentially beneath you or whatever. Even though it 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: was all all about bronco busting and you know, hurting 41 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: cattle and lassoing and stuff like that, all the stuff 42 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: we think of with with cowboys today. Um, but that 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: the that transition between it being from something that me 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: that was like beneath a white guy out west, to 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: something that was a coveted title among white guys was 46 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: when back East people started to hear about cowboys and 47 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: say that's that's cool, what a cool life. And then 48 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, white guys were like, oh, actually 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm a cowboy, now you can count me in. Yeah. 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think that that named uh, at least 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: according to this historian, is racist in nature because the 52 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: white workers wanted to be called cow punches or cow hands, 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: and the black men were called cowboys. And like you said, 54 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: once they once lor hit back East, they jumped on 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: that cowboy train because I guess that word took and 56 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: it sounded cool. Yeah. The thing is, I went and 57 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: tried to corroborate that elsewhere, because it makes sense if 58 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: you take it from that standpoint that oh is that 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: actually cowboy actually has um like a denigrading origin. But 60 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: I did not see that anywhere else, and I couldn't 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: find the difference between a cow hand and a cowboy. 62 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: They are completely interchangeable from what I can tell, definition wise, 63 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: but I don't know, maybe that just that etymology got 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: lost to history. You know. Well, Larry Kelly's runs the 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: Black Cowboy Museum in Texas and Rosenberg and uh, we 66 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: want to credit him with saying that since he's he's 67 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: where we got it. Yeah, here, Larry, here's the limb. 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: Let's go out on it. So the idea of UM 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: cowboys UM and cowboys in general really kind of came 70 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: out of this migration of UM Southerners, especially uh Southern whites, 71 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: moving out west to Texas for the chance for cheap land, 72 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: wide open spaces, the promise of a new chance for 73 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: a fortune because the South had had really become industrialized 74 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: as far as a grarianism is concerned, and Texas had 75 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity, especially if you were willing to 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: push UM Spanish settlers and indigenous people from Mexico off 77 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: of their land. You could really make make a name 78 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: for yourself in Texas. And a lot of those UM 79 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: white settlers brought enslaved people with them, UM, and they 80 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: were the earliest black cowboys out there. Yeah, because what 81 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: happened was, you know, you're in Texas, you get roped 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: into the Confederacy and then these uh white people who 83 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: moved out west go back east to fight in the 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: Civil War. They left the people that they enslaved behind 85 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: to you know, keep the ranch going basically, and those 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: that was sort of the beginning of the black cowboy movement, 87 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: it really was. What's interesting is that it was triggered 88 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: by the Civil War, that that the Civil War created 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: that kind of um niche and require and need sorry 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: that need for um cowboys of all stripes, but that 91 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: they that typically fell to African Americans, um, who who 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: were doing this work while the whites were off fighting 93 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: the war. And then um, when the war was over, 94 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: when the the white Confederates came back to Texas, they're like, hey, 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard or not, but we're 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: free now. So you have to pay us for this work. 97 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: And because a lot of herds had been broken up 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: and lost, there was a lot of work to be 99 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: done getting these herds back in order and getting Texas 100 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: back up and running, um economy wise, especially with cattle herding. Yeah, 101 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: so maybe let's take a break and we'll talk about 102 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: some of the more famous of these black cowboys right 103 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 1: after this. All right, So, if you look at the 104 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: history books and TV shows and movies. You hear a 105 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: lot about while Bill Hillcock and Annie Oakley and all 106 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: these sort of legendary wild West figures, Uh, you don't 107 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: hear as much about the black cowboys who were also 108 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: legendary figures, just in the same way like they would. 109 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: You know, some of them were bad guys who would 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: shoot up a saloon and have a gunfight in the 111 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: middle of the street at high noon. Uh. Many of them, 112 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: obviously were just regular cowboys who did hard work day 113 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 1: and night, wrestling cattle. Some of them also chuck or 114 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: even lawman too. There was a guy named um Bass 115 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Reeves who was the first African American Marshal Us Marshall 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: west of the Mississippi. And he had a thirty two 117 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: year career and apparently was so um morally unimpeachable that 118 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: some people insist he was them the model for the 119 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: Lone Ranger. I know, and that crazy it is. And 120 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: I have to tell you I grew up on the 121 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: Lone Ranger of the two or three movie. Like the movie, okay, yeah, yeah, 122 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: it informed my childhood. I also watched the TV show Tune. 123 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: I had like a place that and everything, But I 124 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: was a big time into The Lone Ranger. I watched 125 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: that movie within the last couple of months. It is 126 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: one of the most boring movies I've ever seen in 127 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: my life. I was like, my parents must have been like, 128 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: what is wrong with this kid? This movie is just 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: like watching paint dry. There's like five parts that are 130 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: that are interesting and the rest is like just slowly 131 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: stringing together those parts. It's really weird. And the chemistry 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: is like baking soda and more baking soda. Like nobody 133 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: has any chemistry, and like it means that there's nothing happening, 134 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: there's no reaction. I'll tell you what I love though 135 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: about that movie is that that color blue of his 136 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: uh outfit. It's the star of the movie. Basically the 137 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: color of his hat too, because it was white, but 138 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't stark white. It was sort of this creamy white. Yeah, 139 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: he had a tinge of badness to him, maybe when needing, 140 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: but I guess not. Another famous black coup away from 141 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: back in the day was a man named Bow's I 142 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: card Um. He is in the on the Hall of 143 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: Fame at the National Multicultural Western Heritage Museum and Hall 144 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: of Fame. God bless the people who founded that, I know. 145 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: And he was the right hand man to one Colonel 146 00:08:54,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: Charles Goodnight. He was a big, super successful cattleman in Texas. Apparently, 147 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: if you've ever read or seen Lonesome Dove, Larry McMurtry's 148 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: um sort of classic Western, the character of Joshua Deats 149 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: was based on him. Played by it none other than 150 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: Danny Glover, who was not too old for that? Dess 151 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: who is what? He was not too old for? That? 152 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: S getting too old for this? S oh man, that 153 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: was a great joke. I'm sorry I had to repeat it. 154 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: That's sight so um. There's another one named Bill Pickett 155 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: who was a very famous rodeo guy. He he was 156 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: one of the first African American rodeo uh man, I 157 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: guess um. And he invented the the sport of steer wrestling, 158 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: which is where you ride up alongside a steer and 159 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: grab him by the horns and drag him to the ground. 160 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: It's really awful, especially when you when you understand what 161 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: he came up with. It just called bulldogging, where it 162 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: was a technique that he would overwhelm the steer with 163 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: pain by biting its lip and he was inspired by 164 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: watching dogs heard cattle, so he tried it himself. He's like, 165 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: this really works. But he was a genuine trailblazer in 166 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: the rodeo world. And uh despite the fact that he 167 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: was barred from competing in a lot of rodeos, even 168 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: though he was among the best that um, the rodeos 169 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: were segregated for a very long time, and if you 170 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: were an African American rodeo cowboy, you had to compete 171 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: either late at night or early in the morning before 172 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: the actual rodeo started, or else you might have your 173 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: own rodeo altogether. I mentioned outlaws. There was a man 174 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: named uh isom or dart Uh. He was an enslaved 175 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: person who who went the other way, and he was 176 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: a horse thief. Like so many other horse thieves. He 177 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: would steal horses and cattle in Mexico, drive him across 178 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: that big old rio Grand River, sell him off in Texas, 179 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: and like so many outlaws he was he was shot 180 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: down by a hired gun in this case Tom Horn 181 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking of movies. I think there have been 182 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: a couple of movies where they did represent these black cowboys, 183 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: but it always seemed like these movies were sort of 184 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: a not a trick, but just kind of like a 185 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: like stunt casting, like, oh, we're gonna make a movie 186 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: with black cowboys, how different? Instead of wealth, This is 187 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: just a movie like any other Western, because this is 188 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: how it was exactly. And I'm sure that they were 189 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: all just left out of the history books because of 190 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: some oversight. But I'm glad we're here correcting it today. 191 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: We're trying our best. There's also we would be very 192 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: terribly remiss if we didn't mention the most famous black 193 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,599 Speaker 1: cowboy of all time, one Nate Love, also known as Deadwood. 194 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: Dick's not no, it's not I. I specifically saw in 195 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: a couple of places, and when I realified it, yeah, 196 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: his name was. He was born Nathaniel um and I 197 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: guess they just didn't feel like adding the e, which 198 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: is significant because he was taught to read and write. 199 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: Despite being born enslaved, his father taught him to read 200 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: and write, so he was educated enough that he actually 201 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: wrote his own autobiography in nineteen seven, teen oh seven. 202 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I should have just kept at his nineteen seven. That 203 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: sounded kind of old timing, but Chuck, I think you 204 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: need to read everybody the title, and note that there 205 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: is not a single colon found in it. Yeah, it's 206 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Life and Adventures of Nat Love, and it's spelled in 207 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: a t in his the autobiography title where it's Nate. Well, 208 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the book cover. I know I'm telling 209 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: you it's pronounced Nate Okay, but there is no he. 210 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I just want to point out to people Life and 211 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: Adventures of Blank Love, better known in the cattle country 212 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: as Deadwood Dick by himself colon A true history of 213 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: slavery days, life on the Great Cattle Ranges and on 214 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the planes of the wild and Wooly West, based on 215 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: facts and personal experiences by the author. There is a colon. 216 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: I thought that was a semi colon. There's always a colon, 217 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: isn't there, And it seems to be. But he was, 218 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: like you were describing, like he would get and shootouts, 219 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: and he was kind of known as an abandon er 220 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: and outlaw in some circles. But from what I can tell, 221 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: he was just a legitimate, bona fide cowboy and he 222 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: led a cowboy life like any other cowboy would. Fantastic, 223 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: It really is fantastic, very very big self promoter like 224 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: so many of those cowboys back then. Yeah, for sure, 225 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: they say that they're not entirely certain where in fact. 226 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: Uh it departs from fiction in in his autobiography. But 227 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: it's apparently a heck of a read, So go check 228 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: it out. Um and I guess I said check it out, 229 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: which means that that short stuff is out. Huh, it's out. 230 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: Stuff you should know is a production of iHeart Radios 231 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. For more podcasts for my heart Radio, 232 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 233 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite shows.