1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Grasso from Bloomberg Radio. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Bloomberg Law. I'm June Grosso. Ahead in this hour. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: After a brazen escape from Japan, Carlos Gone blast the 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: Japanese legal system, stoking a war of words with the 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: country's justice minister, and the Supreme Court will hear its 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: first abortion case with a new conservative majority, giving an 7 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: indication of whether the reconstituted court will move quickly to 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: roll back abortion rights. I did not escaped justice. I 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: fled injustice and persecution, political persecution. Carlos Gones audacious escape 10 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: from Japan belongs in an action movie, but it gones 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: marathon press conference this week that was the one thing 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: the former head of Nissan refused to talk about. With 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: his legendary brashness, Go not only proclaimed his innocence, he 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: excoriated the Japanese legal system and what he called hostage justice. 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm not here to victimize myself. I'm here to shed 16 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: light on a system that violates the most basic principles 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: of humanity. I'm here to clear my name. My guest 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: is Steven Solomon, a professor the UC Berkeley School of Law. 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: So Goon's case has cast an unflattering light on Japan's 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: legal system and it's almost conviction rate. He called the 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: Japanese justice system rigged and said he'd been deprived of 22 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: basic human rights, including the presumption of innocence. So let's 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: look at some of his allegations, starting with the allegation 24 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: that Japanese prosecutors can grill suspects repeatedly without their lawyers 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: present when they're in pre trialed attention. Is that the case, Yes, 26 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: it is the case, And essentially, the Japanese legal system 27 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: is different. It's culturally different, it's legally different than the 28 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: United States, and it relies on confessions to work and 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: of defendants confess to a kron Tokyo's deputy chief prosecutor 30 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: said that Gold gave the impression he was questioned for 31 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: a total of eight hours a day, but that's not true. 32 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: He said. The former CEO was questioned on seventy of 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: the days he spent in jail, about half the total, 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: with each session lasting an average of four hours. So 35 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: even what he's admitting to means about two eight hours 36 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: of questioning by prosecutors. Is that why they get so 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: many confessions? Well, you know, I'm not in the room 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: when when these confessions happen. But even in the United States, 39 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: there's been a trend where you have extended periods of 40 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: confession that defendants will confess to things they did not 41 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: do to end the confession period. And culturally, again, Japan 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: is about apology, it's about admission and the confession culture. 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: There are jobs with the legal culture. And just to 44 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: think in the United States that this could happen with 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: someone who's represented by lawyer and invokes in the United 46 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: States they're right against self incrimination is crazy. So it's 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: clearly just a different system and it's clearly not one 48 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: that we in the United States Bye bye, or in 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: fact the western world. But that's what Japan does, and 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: I can understand why people would not agree with it 51 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: coming from that perspective. What about the conditions in prisons, 52 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: solitary confinement, lack of prescribed medication, family not allowed to 53 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: contact him, Is that part of the process there? Yes, 54 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: so solitary confinement is is a big part of the 55 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: confinement process in Japan. I'm not familiar with the medication 56 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: or other issues, but look, US prisons are not great either, 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: but there are certain rights, and unless you're a terrorist 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: or some immediate threat, you have right to access to 59 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: your family, you have right to access to your lawyer. 60 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: There is healthcare in our prisons. That just is not 61 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: the case in many parts of the world, and Japan 62 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: is one of them. Again, they view this as normal, 63 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: so they're not going to reform their judicial process because 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: of one one off attack. But a Westerner encountering that 65 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: system is they're not going to be happy. No one's 66 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: ever happy being in prison. But to deprive someone of 67 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: communication with their spouse and they're not a terrorist, they're 68 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: not an immediate threat to society is just beyond our norms. 69 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: But by the way I mean, it's it's more akin 70 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 1: to what we used to call third world country. Right, 71 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: see all these movies of Turkish prisons and other types 72 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 1: of prisons that are not well runned, they're not funded. 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: Judicial system is not set up to provide rights to defendants. 74 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: And the Japanese system, while Japan is an advanced economy, 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: is not set up to keep people in prison who 76 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: don't admit to their crimes. Bail is the exception, I understand, 77 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: not the rule in Japan. And when going was finally 78 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: granted bail, prosecutors had him arrested again on new charges, 79 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: which allowed them to keep him in custody. Again, is 80 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: that a routine occurrence in Japan? Well, again, dal is 81 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: not not the norm. So there's still an open question 82 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: of whether going would have gotten a fair trial in Japan, 83 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: at least how we view a fair trial. If he 84 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: had gone to trial, prosecutors had separated out the charges, 85 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: So he was going to be in Japan for a 86 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: very long time no matter what. But the idea of 87 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: re arresting someone on a new charge actually happens in 88 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: the United States. And look what's happening with Harvey Weinstein. 89 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: He was just charged in l A right, and if 90 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: he is if he has found not guilty in New York, 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: he is going to be facing charges in LA where 92 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: he will have all the same issues. So prosecutors acting 93 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: aggressively is again something that we see in the United States, 94 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: but it's a different legal system and there's certainly different 95 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: rights that are associated with that. He claimed that his 96 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: lawyer said that it would be five years perhaps, but 97 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: before he went to trial. So you're saying that that 98 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: could be the case, that it could take that long, right, 99 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: it could take that long, and the trials and again 100 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: were separated, so it could be many, many years. Carlos 101 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Gone struck out at the Japanese justice system and it's 102 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: nearly conviction rate. At his first press conference since his 103 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: brazen escape from Japan, go And said the system was 104 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: rigged and that prosecutors had repeatedly threatened him during hours 105 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: of interrogations to just confess. I did too to be 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: older and don't confess. We're going to go after you. 107 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna go after your family, and we're going to stop. 108 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: Then many things Japanese officials fought back. Justice Minister Masako 109 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: Moury said goones criticism of the country's legal system was 110 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: mostly abstract, unclear or baseless. As a guy doing the 111 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: comments made by Carlos Gone gave the wrong impression of 112 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: Japanese legal system, I will work to clarify and it 113 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: spread the correct understanding of Japanese Glass. Japan's cabinet minister 114 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: was equally critical of Going. Goings assertions on Japan's justice 115 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: system are one sided and completely unpersuasive. I've been talking 116 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: with Professor Steven Solomon of the UC Berkeley School of Law. 117 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Goones lashing out at Japanese prosecutors in the system almost 118 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: put the charges against him in the background. I don't 119 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,119 Speaker 1: know if it's irony or The problem here is that 120 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: there are serious issues that have been raised over going tenure. 121 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: He has a big SEC settlement that he arrived at 122 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: about concealing up to ninety million dollars of his pay. 123 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: There are perks that were paid to him that's seeing excessive, 124 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: including tuition payments for his kids in college, and the 125 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: SEC charged Nissan and Going with concealing over a hundred 126 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: forty million dollars in pay to Going. So there are 127 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: real issues here. Some of them in the United States 128 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: would be dealt with civilly, and that's how it was 129 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: dealt with by the SEC. But he was charged with 130 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: brought in the US on a simple basis, and by 131 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: going to Lebanon and where he presumably will stay for 132 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: a while, he will not go back to Japan. Is 133 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: my bad. We're avoiding a review of what actually happened 134 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: and learning what actually happened. And that's one of the 135 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: things about the US judicial system that to some extent works, 136 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: which is we have an open process and you can 137 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: see exactly what is presented and what is done and 138 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: we can decide for ourselves. I don't know if that 139 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: would have happened to Japan, have you gone to trial? 140 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: But we're certainly not going to get a vetting of 141 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 1: these charges, and instead it's going to be about the 142 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: harsh conditions in the Japanese imposed upon going and going 143 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: fleeing the nature of justice. But we still have these 144 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: issues that surround his tenure at Nissan. What did you 145 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: think of his attempt to give a point by point 146 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: rebuttal of the charges against him at his press conference? 147 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: Was any of that convincing to you? You know, I 148 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna place to assess it. You know, 149 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: these are things that trials are made for and investigations 150 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: are made for. He certainly has a defense and a 151 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 1: rebuttal and it should be taken seriously. But there are 152 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: counter arguments too, and we're just not going to find 153 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: out now. Japan seems intent on pursuing him, even though 154 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 1: they don't have an extradition treaty with Lebanon, but Interpol 155 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: has presented Lebanon with a red notice for his arrest 156 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: at the request of the Japanese government. Do you think 157 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: that will go anywhere at all, or will he go 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: anywhere at all. He's not going anywhere. So he's in 159 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: a country that has no extradition treaty with Japan. Certainly 160 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: the legislature of Lebanon could vote a law through to 161 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: deport him. That's unlikely to happen, but it could happen 162 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: issuing a notice through interpose. It's not going to do anything. 163 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: It's not a request for extradition. The interesting thing, I mean, 164 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: just to sort of the interesting thing is like what 165 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: he does next so he can stay in Lebanon. Most 166 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: likely a guy like going doesn't want to stay in Lebanon. 167 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: It's a nice place, but he wants He's a big person, 168 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: he has he wants to clear himself. He spent a 169 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: lot of money and almost of his assets there, um, 170 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: and so you know, whether he tries to go to 171 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: another country where he can have a bigger voice, um, 172 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: we'll see. I doubt he's going to stay in Lebanon. 173 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: The closest thing that I can think of this is 174 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: there was a case Kobe Alexander, and he was CEO 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: of Converse Technology, and he was charged criminally in the 176 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: options back dating scandal. He's one of the first people charged, 177 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: and at the time there was a real sense that 178 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: these people were going to go to jail for a 179 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: long time. And he fled to Namibia because Namibia does 180 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: not have a treaty with the US, and stayed there 181 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: for many years and use those years to clear up 182 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 1: the charges against him civilly and otherwise eventually returned and 183 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: went to prison in the US. Arranged I hadn't even 184 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: been aware of this, but if you're a foreign national, 185 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: you can arrange to serve your prison time in your 186 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: own country. He arranged to be transferred to Israel to 187 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: serve out the rest of his time and was freed early. 188 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: Now the parallel there is that going is going to 189 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: use this time to try and clear his name. It's 190 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: going to use this time to try and clear the charges. 191 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: He probably does not want to stay in Lebanon forever, 192 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: and he will work to do that and clear them 193 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: slowly and find a home for himself. The Japanese Justice 194 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Minister said she was aware of criticism of Japanese criminal 195 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: justice and authorities are taking steps to improve it, but 196 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: she also praised Japan's police, judges and prosecutors for building 197 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: quote the safest country in the world. I know there's 198 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: a lot of criticism of the Japanese system. Is there 199 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: any ongoing attempt to reform it? Not? Really. This is 200 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: a system that works for that country. It is a 201 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: safe country. It might not be a system that you 202 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: want to be a part of, but it works for 203 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: that country. And the idea that one case with a 204 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: foreign national is going to lead to wholesale form of 205 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: a justice system in any country, it's just ludicrous. It's 206 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: just not going to happen. So the chief prosecutor is 207 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: doing what she should do, which is back up her 208 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: people say they're doing a good job going forward. I 209 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: don't think anything's going to change. Is it just the 210 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: comparison with the U S system that makes this seem 211 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: so bad? Yes? And I mean what's going on here 212 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: is you have a clash of two legal systems and 213 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: two values and two norms, as well as all the 214 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: issues when you have about foreign national and being charged 215 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: and a country has patriotic issues at stake. This is 216 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: not the first rodeo in terms of Japan's problems encountering 217 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: Western society. I mean, this goes back hundred three years. 218 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: But even Michael Woodford, who is the of Olympus and 219 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: try to basically whistle blow on misdeeds and was driven 220 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: out of the country. This has happened before in Japan. 221 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: Japan is changing in terms of corporate governance, in terms 222 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: of how their companies are run, but it's not changing 223 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: terribly quickly, and it's unlikely to change terribly quickly. This 224 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: is likely just to be a one off case and 225 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: it's going to make a great movie, but no doubt, 226 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: but it's not going to change the Japanese system. Why 227 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: would they change it? It works for them. Thanks so 228 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: much for being on Bloomberg Law, Stephen. That's Steven Solomon, 229 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: I profess with the UC Berkeley School of Law.