1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so many things to discuss. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: First and foremost, let's discuss Actually, I want to discuss 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: how absolutely stunning Kim Kardashian looked at the All's Fair. 4 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: TV show premiere. That's it. I don't really have like 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: nothing further. You're on her. 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: I just she looked crisp beautiful, elegant. It just was 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: a wonderful look. I guess it was vintage or some Chaparrelli. Maybe, No, 8 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: it's new Chaparrelli. I don't even I don't even know 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: who Chaparrelli is, except for I keep hearing people wearing 10 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: Chaparrelli and it's like a big deal. I don't know 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 2: if it's new or old. I just know she looked amazing. Okay, Now, 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 2: let's also talk about Kim Kardashian and Skim's launching the 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: Bush underwear. It's underwear with the bush on it. Now, 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: if Kim Kardashian urinates in a glass and sells it, 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: she could make millions of dollars on that. Anything they 16 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 2: do is going to clickbait succeed. But I do believe 17 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: that being an entrepreneur is about longevity, and ideas are 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: about longevity. There's a difference in being successful in business 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: and being a billionaire. There's a difference in her swag. 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: Now it's like she it's old money versus new money. 21 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 2: I'm not saying she's old money, because she's not, but 22 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: it's the way an old money versus a new money 23 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: person acts like she's like any fucking questions, Like when 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: she's taught she was not this way five years ago. 25 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: When she's interviewed on a red carpet, there's a relaxation. 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: When she's interviewed with Alex Cooper, there's a relaxation and 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 2: a confidence and a security in her voice, like I 28 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: have apps afusolutely nothing to prove, and I'm doing exactly 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: what I want, when I want, how I want, and 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: I just find that interesting. Success will do that to 31 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: a person. Success will do that to a person, and 32 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: it might make you nicer, calmer, less desperate because you're there, 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: you did it, you made it, nothing to prove, there's 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 2: an essence, there's a shift now their business has exploded. 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: No one needs to tell the Kardashians how to make money, 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: but I think it works for her from a macro perspective, clickbait, 37 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: rage bait, just like immediate attention bait is not a 38 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: viable long term play. Skims is amazing and has revolutionized 39 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: the undergarments industry. I am not taking any flowers away 40 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: from them. I just feel like I felt it with 41 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: this candle smells like my vagina a little bit. 42 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: I guess maybe I don't even know how I feel. 43 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: Like I get it, and then it becomes a good 44 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: gag gift, and I guess the Bush underwear or something 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: for curiosity or also a gag gift or right before Halloween. 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: I guess You're allowed to do whatever you want to do, obviously, 47 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: and any brand does whatever they want to do and 48 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: it's doing well, so like you can't tell somebody what 49 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: was wrong when they're crushing it in the name of money, 50 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 2: like Sidney Sweeney and the American Eagle ad like that 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: enraged people and they spiked in sales. But that really 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: shouldn't have enraged people because they didn't really do anything wrong. 53 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: She's hot, pretty and she was selling jeans. What her 54 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: politics is is none of anyone's business. And if she's 55 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: pretty and doing a pun on words about having good jeans, 56 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: like everyone went crazy, Okay, but people have also gone 57 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: crazy about the Bush under where it makes me uncomfortable. 58 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: I just don't like it. But then again, I don't 59 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: have to buy it. Some people don't like only fans 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: and you don't have to watch it. But what I 61 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: guess what I'm getting at overall, is there a situation where, 62 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: like a person like her or Gwyneth Paltrow was so 63 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: wealthy that people then are sort of mad at them. 64 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: For like. 65 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 2: Just knowing that they can fuck around with an audience 66 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: and just make money off of it. Like does that 67 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: sustain It probably doesn't. It probably doesn't even actually matter. 68 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: You know, it probably doesn't actually even matter because so 69 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: far it worked. And it's not like they're saying that 70 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: like a big hairy bush underwear is something you need 71 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: to keep in your wardrobe forever. I think that they 72 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: should have had it be a rose bush, so it's 73 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: like your bush smells like roses. But anyway, I just 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,559 Speaker 2: thought that was just a crazy thing that people thought. 75 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: I guess I keep. 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 2: We're in the land of like click bait, rage bait, 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: shocking marketing ideas that are meant to like trigger people 78 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: to get them to just react and buy. And I 79 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 2: think that that is because attention is the new oil. 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: My COO sent me an article or something quoting someone 81 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: saying attention is the new oil, and I think that's 82 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: what I'm getting at Attention is the new oil. So 83 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: just you're jumping up and down, setting yourself on fire 84 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: because someone has to pay attention to you because it's 85 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: so hard to pay attention. Even though Skims is doing well, 86 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: there's probably some data saying that a lot of people 87 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 2: are buying it on Amazon or after the tariffs thing, 88 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: people were showing where everything was made, and they were 89 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: showing literally exactly where Skims are made, Lululemon are made, 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: and so maybe it's just you can't survive on just 91 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: good products, good quality, good normal innovation of marketing. You 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 2: have to come up with crazy things. So this guy 93 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: sent people an ATV to promote blankets, and like people 94 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 2: got mad, Like I think it was poppy that sent 95 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: maybe a mixing brands, but somebody sent like a whole wardrobe, 96 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: like a whole closet to people's homes and people were 97 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: mad because you're sending that stuff and it's a waste 98 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 2: of money, and influencers are so rich, but these things 99 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: all get press coverage, and that's what anybody wants you're 100 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: trying to buy for attention. So you can't just do 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 2: the run of the mill marketing plan. 102 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: You can't. 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: You have to do something. You have to really like 104 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: shock and awe people. So's that's what the real message is. 105 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 2: I guess it's National Kim Kardashian Day because also I 106 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 2: saw Kim Kardashian on Call Her Daddy, and I did 107 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: not think for me that the Kamala interview landed. 108 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: I just don't think that. 109 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: I think that it for Kamala, it wasn't necessarily something 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: that would move the needle. I said this, I got 111 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 2: like panned and criticized for saying it, and I meant it. 112 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: I think that the Kim Kardashian interview landed hard. And again, 113 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: it's politics and pop culture, and it makes sense why 114 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 2: one would work on Call Her Daddy. And I totally 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 2: think that Alex Cooper was brilliant to have Kamala on 116 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: and Kim Kardashian. But I think that Call Her Daddy 117 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: and Kim doing Call Her Daddy humanized her in a 118 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 2: way that other places don't. And she seemed very likable 119 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: and very nice and very sweet and patient and thorough 120 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: and her answers seemed like they were honest, and there 121 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:56,239 Speaker 2: was one thing that she said. I just watched clips, 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: but like asking if men are intimidated by her, and 123 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: she said, my person wouldn't be. That indicates to me 124 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: that she either has somebody she's really interested in who 125 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: she already knows isn't or you know, she's just had 126 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: that expectation, or that's what she's manifesting, because she's damn 127 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: fucking right. And I talk about it all the time. 128 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: I've had people dim my light. I've had people intimidated 129 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 2: by me, people who tell me it's all too much, 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: people who tell me they feel bad about what they've 131 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: got going on because how much I have going on 132 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: that I feel self conscious about how much money I 133 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: have or make or what I'm doing. So I try 134 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: to like temper it and take it down for them, 135 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 2: and like, none of that works. And she's basically saying 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: by saying my person isn't or wouldn't be, that she's 137 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: not gonna ever make She's not going to ever work 138 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: with someone who's not going to be able to handle 139 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 2: her circus. And you know what, someone can handle her circus, 140 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: Someone can and would want to handle her circus. Can 141 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: we trust that person? Unclear? I go through the same thing. 142 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: But can she be with someone who can't handle her program? 143 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That will not work. We do what or 144 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: we don't. We go or we stay home. We go 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: big or we go home. We do not date down. 146 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: We do not make something meet us where we're at, 147 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: unless it's a partnership, meaning there's compromise and sacrifice. 148 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: That's normal. 149 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: But you're not gonna be an a student and try 150 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: to be a c student for some dope you're dating. 151 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: You're not gonna be hot, but try to make yourself 152 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: look like shit for some less attractive guy you're dating. 153 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: You're not gonna hide that you like to spend her 154 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: like nice things because you're dating some broke ass, fucking loser, 155 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: some scrub. You're not gonna You're not gonna say someone 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: can't handle me and they're intimidated, because no, your person isn't. 157 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: That was a brilliant thing she said, really just and 158 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: she didn't fucking hesitate or stutter. 159 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: It wasn't a line. 160 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: She just knew in her body, which leads me to 161 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: believe there's someone in her life that she's being super 162 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: low key about. Like some major private equity guy or 163 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: business guy. She said it too quickly that I think 164 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: there's somebody that she's dating. It was just too quick. 165 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: She knows who a person is because but maybe should not. 166 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: Either way, it doesn't fucking matter. 167 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: Go for yours. 168 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,599 Speaker 2: I am so beaten down and I have not exercised 169 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: in a week. And I was in Paris whooping it up. 170 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: Then I went to Vegas whooping it up. Then I 171 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: went to New York whooping it up. I'm falling asleep 172 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: as I sit here because I'm just thinking, like I 173 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: really can't do it. I really can't do this work schedule. 174 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: And then also go out and have a couple of 175 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: drinks like it just I'm the type of person that 176 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 2: goes activation nation, like full on life of the party. 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: Fine, let's have drink, let's go out, and let's do 178 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: all the things. 179 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: And then it's a burst and then I try to nest, 180 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 2: but it takes a minute before I can like flip 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: the sleeping switch. Does this make any sense? Are any 182 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: of you people that get really activated? So, like I 183 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 2: remember this from when I was on Skating with the 184 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: Stars or when I was on the Apprentice. I'd be 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: up days on end, waking up in the middle of 186 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: the night because I wasn't in a good clip, because 187 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: I was in activation mode, meaning I had just been 188 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 2: doing so many things, and even though I was working 189 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: hard and not sleeping, you're not tired, you're on fumes. 190 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 2: Let's say you're mourning something, or let's say you just 191 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: met someone you're all excited. Or let's say you've got 192 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: an incredible business opportunity, or let's say you just do 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: a live tour. Did stand up like I can't decompress. 194 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: I will get more and more activated, and then goes 195 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: the opposite too, not until I've started to sleep, like 196 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: laying on a couch, fell asleep, a little, fell asleep again, 197 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: to another show, then at night while I was watching TV, 198 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 2: and then you start to like melt into it. And 199 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: then I burst sleep. I burst work and activation and 200 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 2: then I burst sleep. And it's not that balance, and 201 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: I don't love it. I don't burst exercise like that, 202 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: but I do realize that I have to be exercising 203 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 2: to stay to be able to sleep. So I'm having 204 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: a very rough time because I have this dating idea 205 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 2: and businesses explode and travels exploding, and I'm in rare 206 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: air and everything's amazing, but it's taking a toll on me, 207 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: and I need to fucking stop the ride. I want 208 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 2: someone to come and like zap me with a tranquilizer. 209 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: That's what I actually want. So if you're interested in that, 210 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: here I am. Sleep is a major topic, whether it's 211 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 2: melatonin or magnesium or edibles that are into gona make 212 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: you sleep? Or are you taking ambient or kalanapin, or 213 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: do you take xanax or valium or you know, what 214 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: do you do when you can't sleep? Like what's your thing? 215 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: First of all, I'm just gonna say I think ambient 216 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: is the devil. I think it's literally the worst. You 217 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: couldn't pay me to take it, zolpidem ambient. There's another 218 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: one with L like lunesta. Immediately No, I just find 219 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 2: that also to be like toxic. I don't believe in 220 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 2: like farm up drugs unless you really need them. 221 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: It's just like toxic. 222 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 2: Anytime you have to go take painkillers or something, you're 223 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: constantated like it's just like I've seen too many bad 224 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: things and it just psychologically seems like pills are okay 225 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: because they're like in a medicine, little bottle, and it's 226 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 2: just it's just a nightmare. So anyway, what is your 227 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: opinion and what are your methods on sleep? For me, 228 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: if I let me tell you how my sleep patterns go. 229 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: If I'm in a good rhythm for sleeping, my digestion 230 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: is better, my skin is better, I'm not as dehydrated. 231 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: I'm sleeping through the night. I even if it's six 232 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: seven hours, it's from night to morning. I'm not waking 233 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: up in the middle of the night and then not 234 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 2: being able to get back. I'm not usually drinking at night, 235 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: which it disrupts sleep. Usually when I'm exercising, it's better. Okay, 236 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: So we know all these things. So for me, if 237 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: I'm activated, So let's say I've got there's a disaster 238 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: and I'm working on relief work. Let's say I am 239 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: dating someone new. Let's say I have a new business idea. 240 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 2: Let's say I've been traveling. Let's say I go out 241 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: and I do a live show somewhere, or when I 242 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: used to be on Watch Mappens Live or do the reunion, 243 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: or I I go do the Call Her Daddy's show 244 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: or whatever. I get activated by activation, like something that's 245 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: very activating. Makes me activated. Something that means engaging or 246 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: connecting or i idating, if that's a word, activates me. 247 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: So I go on these bursts. So I went, and 248 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: I would like to have fun, and that's the problem. 249 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 2: So I go to Paris and I go out one 250 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: night with my friends and people from Loreel and like, 251 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 2: now we're out to really late. So it's fun and 252 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 2: I'm having a great time, and there are a lot 253 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: of stories to be told. It's activated. I'm drinking alcohol. 254 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: I don't have a good night sleep. The next day, 255 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't sleep that well. But then I have to 256 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: go to a fashion show in Paris, and then that's activating. 257 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: But you have hair and makeup on, so you glue 258 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 2: yourself together and you look okay, and then you're like, okay, 259 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: pros play hurt. I have to get on the plane tomorrow. 260 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: I'll sleep the whole plane ride. Then you don't. You 261 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: just scrap like an hour or two. Then you come 262 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 2: back from Paris, you have jet lag and like you're 263 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: waking up in the middle of the night or. 264 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 1: You're not sleeping through the night. 265 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: Then you have to go to Vegas because you're doing 266 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: this and that all these things that sound good on paper. 267 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: Then you're doing the Call Her Daddy show and you're activated. 268 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: Things are going well, work is going well, you're dating, 269 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: you're you're looking good. 270 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: Like it's all activating. 271 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: And it's kind of maddening because I when activated, even 272 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: if I'm exhausted, even if during the day I'm exhausted, 273 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: I can't come down. I stay on fumes for a while. 274 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: And so like this weekend, I knew that Tuesday I 275 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: had to go to LA which means we're entering a 276 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: new activation mode, a new activation zone. And I just 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: got off of the Paris Vegas, New York tour. So 278 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 2: I was like, no, I need to reset. How am 279 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: I going to recalibrate? So it was Saturday, and I 280 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 2: went to the beach for the day and I couldn't 281 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: see One of the days I was doing the podcast 282 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: here with you, I like, I was like, fell asleep 283 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: while doing it. But I was like a zombie. I 284 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: could just I was like, I'm not a person. I've 285 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: not been sleeping and it's a nightmare. So even when 286 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: I know that I have the time to sleep, meaning Okay, 287 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: it's Friday night, I'm going to bed and I'm gonna 288 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: get a good night's sleep, and I'm gonna sleep late, 289 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: and I'm waking up at three in the morning for 290 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: like the day, and I'm like, oh my god. 291 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: And it's just because your mind is activated, you know. 292 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: Like in that case, it was because I went out 293 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: and had a martini and a glass of wine because 294 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: I was on a date and I was all excited, 295 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: and I went home and I stayed up late because 296 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm taxing the person. And then in the middle of 297 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: the night, I woke up at three in the morning 298 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: and it's like not making sense because I'm fucking tired. 299 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: So then Saturday, after the beach, I booked myself an 300 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: hour and a half massage. I always know that there's 301 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: going to be some catalyst, something that's going to break 302 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: the cycle and take me down, like take this big 303 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: manic horse down. So Saturday, I booked myself a ninety 304 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: minute massage. Halfway through it, my brain, I think, starts 305 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: to stop. I pass out. I come out of the 306 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: massage on like a zombie, trying to watch TV. Later, 307 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: I fall asleep five times. I sleep through the entire 308 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 2: I sleep through the night till three o'clock woke up 309 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: for an hour, took something, did a go back, slept 310 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: till nine o'clock in the morning yesterday, then all day 311 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: was trying to watch TV. Slept like fifteen times, then 312 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: went to bed and like fell asleep at nine thirty, 313 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: slept till this morning at six o'clock in the morning. 314 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: Like it's the opposite of what was just happening. 315 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 2: It's almost like a bear that like hibernates and then 316 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: is fully let's go, or a camel that like stores 317 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 2: up on water. 318 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: I burst for. 319 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 2: A while, and then all of a sudden that massage 320 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: took a pin in it and let all the air 321 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: out of it, and now I'm on like the recalibrate 322 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: the heel of the nervous system, the take it down 323 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: a notch, and it's it's it's I'm grateful for it 324 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 2: because even though I wish it was more on the 325 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: day to day and more balanced versus like having a 326 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: fucking binge of non sleep and then now a binge 327 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: of sleep, I'll take it like I need it. At 328 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 2: least I know that if I'm gonna have a no 329 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: sleep burst, that I will eventually at some point crash 330 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 2: and like go down hard. I went down really fucking hard. 331 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: So I just want to know about your relationship to sleep, 332 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: because this is what happened to me on the Apprentice. 333 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: I was on the Apprentice and I was exhausted. I 334 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: was sleeping one hour a night maximum, and I was 335 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: manic with the tasks and the ideas and execution, and 336 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: I didn't sleep. 337 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: And people were falling. 338 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: Asleep and sleeping well because they knew they had to 339 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: for the task the next day. 340 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't. 341 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: My mind was flying. Same thing with Dancing with the Stars. 342 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: That's why I didn't want to do Dancing with the 343 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: Stars the hundred times they've asked me. I don't want 344 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: to be in la like freaking out, panicking, thinking like 345 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: I just at this age, at this stage, I just 346 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 2: don't want like the manic feeling I'm trying. You try 347 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 2: to keep the levels down as much. There are exceptions, 348 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: and relief work is an exception. But even then, like 349 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: I try to not go on the ride, and the 350 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: thing is, alcohol is not good for that ride. That 351 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 2: ride is hard enough, and the lack of sleep is 352 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 2: bad enough that when you add alcohol to it, when 353 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: you add the night with my friends in Paris, that 354 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 2: I went out and party. When you add the date recently, 355 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 2: when you add Vegas going out and party, like, it's 356 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: just it sucks because you want to be young and 357 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 2: have fun, but we have to pick our spots. Like, truthfully, 358 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: that tour would have been much easier had I end 359 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: up in drinking. 360 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: It just added a layer that was not necessary. 361 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: So I'm really trying to not do that because it 362 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: really just fucks you. It's why I created mingle mocktails, 363 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: Like you need a mocktail to like mingle mood. It 364 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 2: gives you like an altered an altered state. It does 365 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: alter your mood, but you're not going to feel like 366 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: shit the next day. It's honestly, alcohol, sugar, meat, stimulants 367 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 2: and activation and your phone and all these things really 368 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: contribute to your sleep. Like you can give me as 369 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: much magnesium as you want, as much edibles, whatever you want. 370 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: Nothing is more decompressing than controlling yourself from alcohol, from 371 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: meat and sugar and stimulants and coffee and chocolate, and like, 372 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: you gotta just take care of yourself. It's really hard, 373 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: but you gotta. All right, let's talk about the mainstream media. 374 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the mainstream media. And Taylor Swift at 375 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: the same time. So there are two different things I 376 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: want to discuss. Number One, Taylor Swift released in an album. 377 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: Please don't get mad at me if I don't know 378 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 2: all the details. Actually fuck off. If you get mad 379 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,719 Speaker 2: at me because I don't know all the details, you're 380 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: a loser. So do get mad at me. So Taylor Swift, 381 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: I think is launching a movie and or an album. 382 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 2: And this is the thing. I wouldn't know this if 383 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 2: it weren't for the rabid social media fighting and the 384 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: polarization of Taylor Swift. Like that should be an album. 385 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: The polarization. It should just be called polarization because I 386 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: don't know what the fuck is going on. But like 387 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 2: people are fighting over whether someone likes it doesn't like it, 388 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: Like there's outrage about liking it and then not liking 389 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: it and then fighting with each other, like you have 390 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 2: to seriously need to get laid paid a hobby. Something 391 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: has to go on in your life if you are 392 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: arguing with people the way that people argued about presidential candidates, 393 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: and it was wrong when they argued this way about 394 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: presidential candidates. It was wrong when there was this divisiveness 395 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: and polarization about presidential candidates, but that affects like your paycheck, 396 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 2: your health, your life, your welfare, your parents, your social security, 397 00:20:54,600 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: your mortgage, like the economy, your kids' education, war, nuclear bombs, 398 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: Like it's a pretty important decision who you vote for. 399 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: And that was also so divisive, and people were tearing 400 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: each other apart. 401 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: So forgive me if people tearing. 402 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 2: Each other apart over a musical artist is preposterous to me, 403 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: and like, get your fucking life together. 404 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So compound that with the fact that. 405 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: The mainstream media wrote about my opinion on this, so 406 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: on social media, I said what I believe to be true, 407 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: which is, if you want to buy someone's album, buy 408 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 2: their merch, buy into their life, go to their shows, 409 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: be entertained by them, love them, be happy for them, 410 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: Be excited that they are in a relationship, excited they're 411 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: getting married. Love everything they wear, do, eat, taste, think, 412 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 2: breathe want, sing, opine great, live your life, enjoy. If 413 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: you don't want to buy the person's work, then don't 414 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 2: you get to eat chocolate or vanilla. You could go 415 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 2: to McDonald's or Burger King. You could drink coke or 416 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 2: doctor pepper. Your choice, but to make it your entire personality, 417 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: to like be doing deep dark debates about this seems 418 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: to me insane. You know, you could have an opinion 419 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: drive by opinion. 420 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: I like it. 421 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: I didn't like it great, but like people are like 422 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 2: badgering each other and making it their whole life and 423 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: just like getting mad about it or being mean about it. 424 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: Like it's just not that deep either way, Like my 425 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: thing was, like, I don't think about it that much. 426 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: I think she's she's talented, her lyrics are good, her 427 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: show was good, she worked hard. I'm happy for someone 428 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 2: who's in a relationship and happy, and I definitely want 429 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: people to find love. I think that's the ultimate inspirational act, 430 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: like showing other people that you're finding true love and 431 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 2: not with ulterior motives and you name it. I think 432 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: it's great, okay to have a whole dating concept. But 433 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: the mainstream media wrote it about this post I did, 434 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: and totally like clickbait manipulated people like clickbait false information, 435 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: and I've seen that before, but like so stupidly egregious 436 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: where none of this matters, there are no stakes to it. 437 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 2: So I basically said, but I just said to you, 438 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: but what the mainstream media put all over headlights is 439 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: that I came after Taylor Swift's fans telling them to 440 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 2: get a hobby for being passionate about Taylor Swift. That 441 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: is not true. That is not what I said. I 442 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: swung the pendulum both ways, and you can like me 443 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: or hey me. I don't care, and I would tell 444 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: you if I did say that, I wouldn't care. But 445 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: I didn't say that at all. And I bring this 446 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 2: up because the mainstream media is so dangerous because it 447 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: doesn't matter what I think about an album that I 448 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't have even known about, would it not for the 449 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 2: psychos that are like debating and badgering and trolling and 450 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: bulling each other over it. But what does matter is 451 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 2: when you are voting for education, military, the economy made, 452 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, philanthropy, relief work, like how a company works 453 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 2: and what you're going to do with your children based 454 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: on what they eat, how you sleep, medicine, how you live, 455 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: what you buy. That's when it gets irresponsible. So for 456 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 2: a headline to indicate that I said something that I 457 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: absolutely didn't, it's not dangerous, but it is dangerous in 458 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: what it means. It means I'm certainly not the I'm 459 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: not the exception. I'm not the one time that the 460 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 2: media decided to like clickbait saying something that's not true 461 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: at all. And I find that to be really egregious 462 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 2: and dangerous because I find that people, many people don't 463 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 2: read the newspaper and don't watch the news many people, 464 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: most people, if they even watch any news information on 465 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: social media, they get most of their news and information 466 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: from snippets. It just like flashes by. It's like subliminal advertising. 467 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: There's so many things I see on social media. I 468 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 2: don't even really realize I saw it, just like I 469 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: was scrolling through and I know more than I even 470 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: know that I know, and I didn't see anything about it. 471 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: Meaning I know what dances were like and what costumes 472 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: people wore on Dancing with the Stars. I know that 473 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: they caught the arsonists like for the California fires, but 474 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 2: I didn't see that in the news. 475 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: It was just like a flash drive by. 476 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 2: I know about clogs that are viral and sandwiches that 477 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,199 Speaker 2: are popular because of just like a quick snippet. So 478 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: it's very dangerous when we are watching mainstream media through 479 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: these clickbait sound bites and like believing it to be true. 480 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: I think it's really reckless. 481 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 2: I think there has to be a level of accuracy 482 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 2: to headlines. You can't manipulate and misinform people with clickbait headlines. 483 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: There has to be some guardrails to that. I just 484 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: think it's wildly irresponsible.