1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hey discos, you can listen to an extended version of 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: this after Party episode by becoming a member of Disgraceland 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: All Access. Just go to disgracelamdpod dot com slash membership 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: for more details and to sign up. Hey guys, welcome 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: to the Disgracelam podcast, which is brought to you by 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: Double Elvis. This week, we have a brand new episode 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: on Steve McQueen in the Disgraceland feed. Also have an 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: exclusive Hunter S. 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Welcome to Disgraceland The after Partie. 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode. A little thing we 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge 21 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to 22 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On 23 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: this episode, we are talking about our brand new episode 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: on Steve McQueen. The sources we used for this episode 25 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: which helped us uncover a wild story, wild involving John F. 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Kennedy and of course your voicemails, text, dms and more 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: and as always, a whole lot of rosie. All right, discos, 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: let's get into it. We place it's an outsized amount 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: of importance on the concept of cool in our culture, 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: and here at Disgraceland we're probably more guilty than most. 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: But is that a bad thing? I don't know. I'm fascinated. 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated by the concept of coolness relative 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: to the subjects that we discuss here. How cool is perceived, 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: how cool is expressed, how it's maintained, how it's misinterpreted, 35 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: how it's exploited. Cool is, of course, not something that 36 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: you can actually aspire to. It's something that simply is. 37 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: It's born out of a potent mix of authenticity, taste, 38 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: and not giving a fuck. It's hard to define, easy 39 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: to spot, and it's eternal it's simple, it's also complicated. 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: You can be so uncool that you are in fact cool. 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: Makes sense, Yeah it does. You know it. I know it. 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: You know it because you're cool. That's that's how that's 43 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: how you guys know it. You also know that this 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: week's subject to Disgraceland Steve McQueen is one of the 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: coolest to ever do I was about to say one 46 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: of the coolest ever do it, but the reality is 47 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: he's one of the coolest to ever do anything. He was, 48 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: of course, one of the biggest actors of his era, 49 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: but he was also a race car driver, a speed 50 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: demon of all different stripes, the prototype for masculinity in 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: his day, and it seemed effortlessly cool. But being cool, 52 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: despite how we define it, it's not actually effortless. It 53 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: in fact takes a lot of effort. The trick, of course, 54 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: is not letting anyone see you try. But that's so 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: disingenuous that it hurts for me to even say it. 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: Steve McQueen did not seem like he cared at all. 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: He used he used cool. I was gonna say charisma, 58 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: but it wasn't an accident. It was all very calculated. 59 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: He knew the single most important thing in show business. 60 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: Know what your audience wants and give it to them 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: over and over against. Steve McQueen knew what his fans wanted. 62 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: He knew exactly who his audience expected to see on screen, 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: how they wanted him to act like a tough guy 64 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: or some would even say an asshole. He knew exactly 65 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: how they wanted him to look like, he didn't care, 66 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: like he was both part of the era but apart 67 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: from it. At the same time, Steve McQueen could just 68 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: as easily been smoking a joint with his fans backstage 69 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: at Woodstock as he could have been pounding shots with 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: their parents at an Elks lodge. Effortlessly, that's how it 71 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: all seemed. But like I said, it wasn't effortless. It 72 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: was calculated. It just came off as effortless, and that's 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: the trick. I guess. I don't know. I'm not that cool. 74 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: That's why I'm a podcaster and not an iconic star 75 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: of the screen like Steve McQueen. But it's all fascinating 76 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: to think of. I came to step McQueen. I came 77 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: to being a Steph McQueen fan late late in life. 78 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 1: I was always more of a Paul Newman guy, not 79 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: because of hud or cat on a hot tin roof, 80 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 1: but because of late era, older Paul Newman stuff, slap shot, 81 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: the Verdict, Nobody's fool, the damaged, ornery Paul Newman. I 82 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: think Paul Newman learned that attitude that he developed in 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: those later years. I think he learned that coolness from 84 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: Steve McQueen. Though, That's what I've come to learn, or 85 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: come to think. Earlier in Paul's career he looked a part, sure, 86 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,119 Speaker 1: but he didn't have that effortless thing that Steve seemed 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: to come out of the womb with. Again I'm putting 88 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: air quotes around effortless, and again keyword being seemed. Who 89 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: did Steve McQueen learn his cool from. It wasn't Merlin Brando. 90 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: And I can't think of one actor from an earlier 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: generation that is a direct influence on Steve McQueen, if 92 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,239 Speaker 1: you can let me know. And by the time, though 93 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Steve McQueen made The Getaway in the early seventies, I 94 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: think it came out in nineteen seventy two. By the 95 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: time he made that movie, whatever his influences were, they 96 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: all coalesced into a holy, unique, wildly compelling, impossible to 97 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: ignore a character. Steve McQueen's Don McCoy in The Getaway. 98 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: It's it isn't a unique character so much as as 99 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: Don McCoy, the guy that Steve McQueen is playing, is 100 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: made unique by the character of the actor Steve McQueen 101 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: playing the role, if that makes sense. Like, I'm sure 102 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: the Don McCoy character in the script did not come 103 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: off as dynamic as it does on screen with Steve 104 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: McQueen in that role, or as it would have come 105 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: off with anyone else in the role. I can't think 106 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: of any other actor on the planet who could have 107 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: made you root for that character in that story up 108 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: on that screen in that movie like Steve McQueen did. 109 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Maybe Al Pacino. That's the only one I was trying 110 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: to think of before I came on the mic here, 111 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: But not really, not at all. Actually, Don McCoy is vicious. 112 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: He is a bad dude, but his coolness makes you 113 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: look past that, and somehow there's something within him that 114 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: you recognize as broken, eternally broken, that makes you empathize 115 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: with him. The real Steve McQueen was vicious, in a 116 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: lot of ways too. He was a horrendous person to 117 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: be involved with romantically for many, many problematic reasons that 118 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: we aren't going to litigate here, but to say that 119 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: perhaps his broken childhood, that that imprinted his character, his 120 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 1: persona with some slight tinge of vulnerability to offset that 121 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: famous hard assic stereo that was all too real. That 122 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: is what I think is going on. That is what 123 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I think Steve McQueen had that no one else had. 124 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: Only so much though can be taken from watching Steve 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: McQueen's movies. They're obviously a blast. I didn't even I've 126 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: been talking for ten minutes here. I didn't even mention Bullet, 127 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: I didn't mention The Great Escape. Just iconic movies. And 128 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: we of course watched these films when we were putting 129 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: together this episode, and we also, of course did a 130 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: ton of research into Steve McQueen from various sources to 131 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: help us paint the picture that we paint in the 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: recent Disgrace sand episode. I'm going to take a quick 133 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: break and I'm going to be back in a flash 134 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: to discuss some of those sources. All Right, there's a 135 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: bunch of books out there about Steve McQueen, and we 136 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: used a handful of them for this episode, including but 137 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: not this episode you're listening to now if you're new, 138 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: there's a full episode, scripted sound design all on Steve McQueen. Okay, 139 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: that's the episode I'm talking about that we used a 140 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: handful of episodes, sorry, a handful of books to research for. Okay, 141 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: biographies written by Mark Elliott, Marshall Terrell and Darwin Porter, 142 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: not to mention an awesome documentary from twenty seventeen titled 143 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: Steve McQueen American Icon. Now you may be asking yourself 144 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: why so many books? Why not one biography? Won't one do? 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. And we come across this all 146 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: the time in our research, various points of view on 147 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: the subject that we are covering. You want to know 148 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: when you're writing, even if you don't share the point 149 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: of view, you want to know what those points of 150 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: view are. You want to know what the other points 151 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: of view are so that you can make sure that 152 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: you're on the right side of history. You can make 153 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: sure you can honestly, you can develop your own take 154 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: on it. You take these varying points of view and 155 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: you measure them up against each other, and you go 156 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: with what you think is actually the truth of the 157 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: story based on who the source is, how credible they are, 158 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: what their agenda is, how they were incentivized by writing 159 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: what they wrote or say what they said, et cetera, 160 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. You often get different takes in 161 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: different stories when you read an autobiography versus a biography 162 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: okay written by somebody else, And of course then you 163 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: have authorized biographies and unauthorized versions, and they all differ. 164 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: They can differ quite a bit. What we try to 165 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: avoid is the situation where you outline and write an 166 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: episode of Disgraced Land, only to find out later that 167 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: there were other sources with better information that we completely 168 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: missed that would have provided us with a different point 169 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: of view, would have molded how how we meld the 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: source material that we get into to form our own take. 171 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: This is, you know, and oftentimes there's just nuggets. If 172 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: you go wide in the research and deep as opposed 173 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: to just deep, there's often stories that have fallen to 174 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: the wayside, great stories, great stories. One that comes to 175 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: mind is in researching Charles Manson, and you know, you're 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: sick of me talking about it. I know, but I've 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: read a lot about Charles Manson. I've watched a lot 178 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: about Charles Manson. I'm sure some of you have as well. 179 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: A ton too much more for one person in one lifetime. Frankly, 180 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm sick of reading about and talking about Charles Manson, Okay, 181 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: even though I just did it in the last Steve 182 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: McQueen episode. However, I came upon this story two years 183 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: ago from a Michael Kaine biography. Autobiography, by the way, 184 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: written by Michael Kain. It is very hard to find, 185 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: and that did not go unnoticed by me, and I 186 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: think the reason that it is now hard to find 187 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: is because of the Charles Manson story within it. And 188 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: I've talked about this in the past, and it's a 189 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: story where Michael Kain is at a pool party at 190 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: Mama cass Elliott's house, I believe, and he runs into 191 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: none other than Charles Manson and members of the family 192 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: and Roman Polanski is at this party. Okay, that's huge. 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: It puts Charles Manson at the same party with one 194 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: of his victims husband's and I'm losing the thread now 195 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: in my head with all the different stuff that's floating 196 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: around in there, but I believe Sharon Tate might have 197 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: been there as well. Nonetheless, even without Sharonate, it is 198 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: a wildly interesting story part of the Manson Lord that 199 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: is not in much of any of the other Charles 200 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: Manson materials that you would normally go to. Another example 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: of this is the Jimmy Hendrix episode that we released recently. 202 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: There's the great story about Jimmy Hendricks getting kidnapped. Okay, 203 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: this isn't in any of the Hendricks biographies because it's 204 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: mainly a story about his manager. The best version of 205 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: this story comes from the guy who's credited with saving 206 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: the day here, Okay, who's like a gangster who told 207 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: his story I believe to Rolling Stone back in the 208 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: nineties or early two thousands. But I'm getting off track. 209 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: The point is there's a lot of different material out there, 210 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: and we try to scrape as much of it together 211 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: as possible before we put these episodes down on tape 212 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: or down on digital file. And of course we found 213 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: this to be true with the Steve McQueen story, which 214 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: is why we dove into the three separate biographies that 215 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: I mentioned, the one by Darwin Porter. However, Steve McQueen, 216 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: King of Cool Tales of a Lurid Life, that title 217 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: a Foolin'. I don't think this is actually a very 218 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: good book, so I'm not necessarily recommending that you read it. 219 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: But this is the book where we dug up that 220 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: very salacious tidbit about the supposed rivalry between Steve McQueen 221 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: and John F. Kennedy, a standing bet that they had on. Well, 222 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to listen to the episode if you 223 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: haven't already to hear about what Steve McQueen and John F. 224 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: Kennedy bet on, a bet that was made when jfk 225 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: was still just the junior senator from Massachusetts, which in 226 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: my opinion makes it all the more believable than Hattie 227 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: made the bet had he been present at the time, 228 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: which he did he was senator junior senator, and which 229 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: supposedly continued until he died in Dallas in nineteen sixty three. Great, great, 230 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 1: great tidbit of information. Story is incredible. It's incredible to 231 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: think of given that when these both men met, they 232 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: weren't yet the icons that they were to become, just 233 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: two dudes, almost literally having a dick measuring contest and 234 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: a bathroom together. I want to know your thoughts aside 235 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: from that. That was one of those sentences you say 236 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: and you realize how silly it sounds after you say it, 237 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: and that's why I'm laughing. But aside from that, I 238 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: want to know what your thoughts are on Steve McQueen. Okay, 239 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy Dick measuring contests. Aside with Steve McQueen, 240 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: the king of cool as he has come to be known, 241 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: was there a cooler actor in your estimation from back 242 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,599 Speaker 1: in the classic days of Hollywood in the sixties and 243 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: the seventies, a cooler actor than Stephen McQueen. Is it 244 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: Paul Newman? I don't think so, is it Burt Reynolds, 245 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: Clint Eastwood? Can any modern leading man compare to Steve McQueen, 246 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: or perhaps I would shine him? Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, 247 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio. Dare I say Timothy Shallamy? I'm not going 248 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: to say Timothy Shallamy or Tom Holland maybe who who 249 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 1: falls into the same category, the same cool category as 250 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: Steve McQueen, from either the past or the present. Six 251 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: one seven nine oh six six six three eight to 252 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: let me know, just like this, text from the nine 253 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: to one five. Yeo, Jake, it's Jim from the nine 254 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: one five. Awesome, awesome, awesome Steve McQueen and the best 255 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: of the best men miss him dearly, but you did 256 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: him justice. Take care, Jake, peace out. All right, Well 257 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: we know what Jim thinks. To Steve McQueen. That came 258 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: quick asking you shall receive eight six to oh, right 259 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: to your magnificent bastard. I've been hoping for this McQueen 260 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: episode for months. I just watched Bullet last week and 261 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: my thoughts were, one, back in the day, littler guys 262 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: could still play convincing tough guys, whereas today it's all 263 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: Helmsworth's and Rocks. That's a really interesting point. Even you 264 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: you're smaller guys like I don't know, like Mark Wahlberg 265 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: or something like, he's still jacked even though he's not 266 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: very tall. Number two, Holy cow, does the camera adore 267 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: Jacqueline Bissett, Yes, it does. I think immediately here this 268 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: is me talking about number two here from the eight 269 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: six oh. When you say Jaqueline Bisset eight six oh, 270 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm immediately thinking about that scene where they're out on 271 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: that date and they're in that little like cafe. Is 272 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: it a cafe? Is it a bar? There's like a 273 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: band with a flute plane or something in bullet. I 274 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck is happening there, what kind 275 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: of place that is. But there's no there's no dialogue. 276 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you just you just trained on these 277 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: two beautiful people, Steve McQueen and jack Lin Bessett. You 278 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: can't take your eyes off of the number three. Robert 279 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: Vaughn is the best smarmy bad guy. Uh is that 280 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: a statement? Looks like a statement? And uh yeah, Robert 281 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: Vaughn is really really dislikable as a character. All right, 282 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: all right six one seven nine oh six six six 283 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: three eight. You want to send me a text, that's 284 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: how you do it. 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And now my moment of bliss in 343 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: honor of this week's episode on Steve McQueen. Hailing from 344 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: Beech Grove, Indiana, just outside of Indianapolis, me reading you 345 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: the Indianapolis city directory from the year of McQueen's birth 346 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty. Betna Student R four one two five Broadway, 347 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:31,119 Speaker 1: Indirez Betty R one three three eight, Columbia av Missus 348 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: Betty Dishwasher R one five two eight, mil H Bingham 349 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: two three zero one and a half. Bellefonte dom Birdie 350 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: six one three North Senate Avenue, Sharwin bionce h five 351 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: four four East nineteen five two eight Missus beyonce h 352 00:19:54,119 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: two three four six s boyer h three one two 353 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: six one thirteen part had I in dear r we 354 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: boycation each one one two seven round see back each 355 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: two one. Quit talking and start mixing