Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: Over the weekend, my husband and I celebrated our fifteen
Speaker 1: year anniversary five years ago. On our ten year anniversary,
Speaker 1: I tweeted a thread about where my life was before
Speaker 1: I got together with my husband and how fast it
Speaker 1: turned around. I'll read it to you so on my
Speaker 1: tenure wedding anniversary today. I want to do this thread
Speaker 1: in case it helps anyone going through a bad time.
Speaker 1: I'm forty one. I got married at thirty one on
Speaker 1: my thirtieth birthday. My life was a total disaster. I
Speaker 1: was at the tail end of a seven year relationship
Speaker 1: with a really great person for whom I was ill suited.
Speaker 1: I wasn't working, and I had no idea in what
Speaker 1: direction to take my career. I was in debt for
Speaker 1: the first time in my life because I made the
Speaker 1: mistake of going to grad school yet continued to live
Speaker 1: like I had the same high paying job I had before.
Speaker 1: I was a pharmaceutical legal straight out of college, which
Speaker 1: paid well, but I quit that to follow my passion
Speaker 1: into politics. I was in a dark place. I'm an
Speaker 1: optimistic person, but I had a hard time seeing my
Speaker 1: life improving. I wasn't suicidal. I don't want to minimize
Speaker 1: people in real darkness, but I was completely adrift. I
Speaker 1: was drinking a lot daily, and my friend Tom Elliott
Speaker 1: kept asking why I'd always drag him to bars with
Speaker 1: homeless people asleep in the corner. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be around functioning, normal thirty year olds because I was
Speaker 1: so off the path, and also those bars never really close,
Speaker 1: so four am would come and go and I'd still
Speaker 1: be out. I'd sleep till five pm regularly. My husband
Speaker 1: was actually my best friend. That's not just something we say.
Speaker 1: He was the main voice, along with my brother, who
Speaker 1: would reason with me to get my shit together. But
Speaker 1: it's so much easier not to seriously when you ain't
Speaker 1: got nothing, you ain't got nothing to lose, which is
Speaker 1: just so true. I don't have a secret sauce for
Speaker 1: how things got better, But the summer of my thirtieth year,
Speaker 1: I slowly started to pull myself together. I got a
Speaker 1: consulting job, I spent more time with my now husband,
Speaker 1: I went outside during the day. That's a big one.
Speaker 1: It turns out I took better care of myself. After
Speaker 1: some false starts, my husband and I got together for
Speaker 1: real that Thanksgiving. We were engaged in September and married
Speaker 1: the next April. Sometime I'll do a thread about what
Speaker 1: went right in my career after we got married. I
Speaker 1: had to fix myself before I could be with him seriously,
Speaker 1: and then just being with the right person went such
Speaker 1: a long way toward making everything else fall into place.
Speaker 1: He knew all my faults and they were okay. My
Speaker 1: big point is that everything seemed hopeless, really hopeless, and
Speaker 1: then a year later I was at the start of
Speaker 1: the best decade of my life. It can turn around
Speaker 1: so quickly. Don't give up on yourself, don't wallow. Acknowledge
Speaker 1: you're in a bad place, and work to get yourself
Speaker 1: to a better one. I believe in you. So five
Speaker 1: years later, I think about that thread and I reposted
Speaker 1: for people who might be going through a hard time,
Speaker 1: and look that thread. It's honest, But really it was
Speaker 1: far worse than it sounds. I broke up with a
Speaker 1: good guy because he wasn't the one for me, and
Speaker 1: that's way harder than breaking up with a jerk who
Speaker 1: treats you badly. Career wise, I was feeling that I
Speaker 1: had made a huge mistake going into politics. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a writer yet, not really. I had a blog and
Speaker 1: I made a tiny bit of money from it, but
Speaker 1: I had no idea that I could even be doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, and I retreated further and further
Speaker 1: from my normal and successful friends. My husband was my
Speaker 1: best friend, and when I say that, I mean that
Speaker 1: whenever I met a nice girl, I would try to
Speaker 1: set him up with her. He was worried about me,
Speaker 1: and it showed in so many ways. But my point
Speaker 1: here is not that life can be bad or hard,
Speaker 1: and it's only partially the amazing things that can happen
Speaker 1: to you if you're in the right relationship. It's that
Speaker 1: it all can turn around very quickly. If you're in
Speaker 1: a bad place, don't give up. Make incremental changes, small steps,
Speaker 1: leave the house, talk to people who love you. There's
Speaker 1: a light at the end of the darkness, even if
Speaker 1: it's not obvious to you. Right now, my light was
Speaker 1: brighter than I could have ever imagined. Coming up next,
Speaker 1: an interview with Kurt Slifter. Join us after the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Kurt Slichter. Senior columnist at Townhall dot com,
Speaker 2: retired Army colonel, lawyer.
Speaker 3: And author of The Attack. Hi, Kurt, it's.
Speaker 4: Nice to have you on here.
Speaker 3: So the attack.
Speaker 2: Scared the living Bejesus out of me, so we could
Speaker 2: start there.
Speaker 3: Why did you.
Speaker 2: Do that to me? And tell me about this? The
Speaker 2: book came out in January. First of all, it came
Speaker 2: out in January?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 4: Yes, I saw the attack on ten to seven. I
Speaker 4: immediately recognized the vulnerability here. I started talking with folks
Speaker 4: at Regnory, and on October tenth, I started writing it.
Speaker 4: On November twenty nine, fish it Wow. Unfortunately Regnory went
Speaker 4: away as an imprint, But I did what I did
Speaker 4: with my Kelly Turnbol People's Republic novels. I got it
Speaker 4: out very quickly on using Amazon as my distribution platform,
Speaker 4: and by January seventh it was out and it has
Speaker 4: been selling like hotcakes and scaring the hell out of
Speaker 4: people ever since, which is exactly what it was intended.
Speaker 2: So can you tell us a little bit about the book?
Speaker 2: What was your you know, what was a thinking behind it?
Speaker 2: And you obviously have experience in this world. In fact,
Speaker 2: you often write about kind of military topics and also
Speaker 2: very scary stuff.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that, but tell us about the book.
Speaker 4: Well, the book is a novel I could have done
Speaker 4: as nonfiction, but I don't think that would have punched
Speaker 4: people in the gut the way they need to. Essentially,
Speaker 4: imagine a ten to seven attack here in the United
Speaker 4: States with except exponentially larger because we have a wide
Speaker 4: open border and a you know, an intelligence and law
Speaker 4: enforcement community that's more focused on arresting people for walking
Speaker 4: through the rotunda, taking selfies or praying at abortion clinics
Speaker 4: than protecting us from mass murderers. And we've seen you
Speaker 4: know you. Every time there's one of these psychos with
Speaker 4: a rifle, you know he's been on the FBI's radar.
Speaker 4: It's shocking. I took a look at events like the
Speaker 4: Boston incident, where you had a couple of idiots with
Speaker 4: pipe bombs and a couple of handguns and they managed
Speaker 4: to shut down an entire city. Imagine thousands of guys
Speaker 4: with minimal training, simple weaponry, and simple instructions going on
Speaker 4: a rampage. And this talks about the rampage from the
Speaker 4: points of view of many different individuals. The way I
Speaker 4: did that, I couldn't have like one character Forrest gumping
Speaker 4: his way from the White House to a city street
Speaker 4: where a bunch of psychos are killing people. So it's
Speaker 4: about forty little vignettes of people telling what happened. If
Speaker 4: you remember World War Z or World War three for
Speaker 4: that matter, the old John Hackett book from the eighties
Speaker 4: that really scared the hell out of people about the
Speaker 4: Warsaw Pact. I use that style. I think it was
Speaker 4: pretty effective. It has been scaring the hell out of people,
Speaker 4: and that's what it's supposed to be doing, because we're
Speaker 4: in a lot of danger. We are at risk because
Speaker 4: we default to a peaceful and secure society, but we're
Speaker 4: unwilling to do the things that were fire. They're required
Speaker 4: to maintain a peaceful and secure society, and much of
Speaker 4: what we do is frivolous and stupid. Much of what
Speaker 4: we do is self defeating, you know. I think if
Speaker 4: you look at our vulnerabilities, particularly the kind of people
Speaker 4: who watch an MSNBC are particularly vulnerable because very few
Speaker 4: of them are armed, you realize that as individuals we
Speaker 4: are vulnerable, and as individuals we need to be able
Speaker 4: to fight back, but we also need to be fight
Speaker 4: back as a country, and this talks about all of
Speaker 4: that from the perspectives of men and women, law enforcement,
Speaker 4: regular civilians, government officials, bad guys as well, including homegrown
Speaker 4: anti fought type terrorists who I think is to be
Speaker 4: a willing part of this sort of thing. So it's suck.
Speaker 4: It's a scary book, okay, And it's selling very well,
Speaker 4: which I appreciate. I hope people listen.
Speaker 3: I hope they do too.
Speaker 2: I have to say that the thing that helps me
Speaker 2: kind of sleep at night when I think about this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff is that it hasn't happened yet. And
Speaker 2: what do you say to that, the fact that we
Speaker 2: haven't had any kind of attack like that yet, and
Speaker 2: our border has been wide open for a while, and
Speaker 2: we do have people across the world that hate.
Speaker 3: Us, Why do you think it hasn't happened, You.
Speaker 4: Know, Carol, I'm often stunned about how our enemies missopportunities.
Speaker 4: We like to think there are enemies. Are these ern
Speaker 4: stavros Blofeld, the volcano layer guys stroking the task, these
Speaker 4: geniuses who can put all the pieces together. It's important
Speaker 4: not to underestimate them. It's also important to be realistic.
Speaker 4: A lot of them are kind of stupid. In fact,
Speaker 4: as the book points out, a lot of the foot
Speaker 4: soldiers in these things are stupid people, dumb people, people
Speaker 4: in no future, who get sucked into these things and
Speaker 4: do horrible, horrible things at the behest of much smarter people.
Speaker 4: I see them missing a lot of opportunities I have
Speaker 4: always looked at, for instance, on a different level, President
Speaker 4: g not moving to take Taiwan. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: it would be an audacious move. I'm not sure we
Speaker 4: could stop it, and I kind of wonder why not.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's the goodness of their heart. I
Speaker 4: just don't think they're as unbelievably talented as we sometimes
Speaker 4: make our enemies out to be.
Speaker 2: You write and tweet a lot about our military largely
Speaker 2: falling apart. You do you feel like that that is fixable.
Speaker 4: I have a town hall column that'll run on March
Speaker 4: seventh about that very subject, with a lot of focus
Speaker 4: on the frivolous trans idiocy. I mean, when you have
Speaker 4: a full colonel coming up, who is a man pretending
Speaker 4: to be a woman addressing other officers, that's not a
Speaker 4: serious military and I might give a little more leeway
Speaker 4: to these kind of social fads. If we had unequivocally
Speaker 4: won a major war in the last thirty years, which
Speaker 4: we have not done. I was there the last time
Speaker 4: we did. I was there at Desert Storm. I was
Speaker 4: in the seventh Core main command post, and we achieved
Speaker 4: a victory on par with Hannibal or Julius Caesar. We
Speaker 4: destroyed what thirty six divisions and one hundred hours. It's unbelievable,
Speaker 4: just unbelievable. And since people know, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to drop that line by the way to my
Speaker 2: history loving son, because I don't know anything, so I'm
Speaker 2: going to be like, you know, it was a victory
Speaker 2: on par with Hannibal and Julius Cesar.
Speaker 4: It absolutely was. And if you're right, we could do
Speaker 4: a deep dive in a Hannibal at CANi, but we
Speaker 4: don't need to do that. The simple fact is we
Speaker 4: had the most You know, there are legendary military forces
Speaker 4: throughout history, and the American military of nineteen ninety one
Speaker 4: would have to be in the top ten of any
Speaker 4: serious list, you know, with the Mongols, with Hannibal's army
Speaker 4: in Italy, with a Julius Caesar and Gaul. It's just
Speaker 4: it was a pinnacle, and as for so many as
Speaker 4: with so many things, we took it for granted. My
Speaker 4: theory is, you know, we're being run by the third generation,
Speaker 4: right Like you look at the Fords, and you know,
Speaker 4: Henry Ford had a lot of issues. He was a
Speaker 4: jerk in personal life. He was also a genius who
Speaker 4: revolutionized manufacturing and he built a giant empire. And the
Speaker 4: second generation of Fords took that and made it even
Speaker 4: bigger than you know, they brought us the Mustang. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just Ford is a multinational corporation, just a huge achievement.
Speaker 4: Name me a third generation four. It's like naming me
Speaker 4: naming a third generation Kennedy. Okay, you want to meet
Speaker 4: one of them. You know they're they're there, Toyota Corolla
Speaker 4: is idling in front of a crack house.
Speaker 3: Okay, do we just get too comfortable?
Speaker 4: Is that we had what we are? We are run
Speaker 4: by trust fund babies. Our institutions were not built by
Speaker 4: the people who run them. They were not uh they
Speaker 4: didn't suffer, they didn't put any sweat equity in. They
Speaker 4: were handed them these institutions thanks to their credentials. You
Speaker 4: went to Harvard, great you're now qualified. So look at
Speaker 4: I mean, generationally, look at it. The World War two
Speaker 4: generation beat beat Hitler, beat the depression, the next generation,
Speaker 4: you know, civil rights built America into a superpower. And
Speaker 4: the third generation, what's it got? Only fans and the grinder. Okay,
Speaker 4: I mean the the the people who run our institutions
Speaker 4: right now are not running the institutions to have the
Speaker 4: institutions do what the institutions are supposed to do. It's
Speaker 4: pursue their own personal agendas. The thing about institutions is
Speaker 4: the institutions have to actually perform their function or they
Speaker 4: lose all credibility. So if you look what's what's the
Speaker 4: institution that works today is at academia? No? Is it
Speaker 4: the media? No? You know? Is it the military? No?
Speaker 4: You you you look at polls in.
Speaker 2: Health care agencies no.
Speaker 4: And uh and they and the credibility uh uh just shrinks.
Speaker 4: So these people are simply defending sinecures rather than actually
Speaker 4: doing jobs. So we are run by cultural trust fund
Speaker 4: babies who are not accomplished people. They're not particularly right,
Speaker 4: they're not particularly good at their job. This is why
Speaker 4: we have a war on accountability. You know, I mean,
Speaker 4: there is nothing our ruling class hates more than being
Speaker 4: held responsible. And look, I've got some issues with Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: but Donald Trump is accountability in the sense that he
Speaker 4: was elected because you guys suck and and nobody nobody about. Yeah,
Speaker 4: nobody exemplifies that better than Hillary Clinton, who he beat.
Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton is a unaccomplished, not particularly bright woman. She
Speaker 4: failed the District of Columbia bar exam for God's sake.
Speaker 4: I mean, she had a pulse and everything. How do
Speaker 4: you do that? She's she's no genius. She got went
Speaker 4: to the right school and married the right guy, and
Speaker 4: that that's that's who she is. But that's emblematic of
Speaker 4: our ruling class. They you know, they get they get
Speaker 4: hand to a silver spoon and then imagine that they
Speaker 4: somehow mine the ore. But they didn't. And they're terrible
Speaker 4: and they're only concerned with maintaining their power. That's what
Speaker 4: aar democracy is. It's not art democracy, it's their sinecures.
Speaker 2: What would you say is our largest cultural problem, Like,
Speaker 2: what do you think we need to tackle first?
Speaker 4: Basically, Uh, there's so many. I I think we have
Speaker 4: to re establish normality in the sense that it's the
Speaker 4: normality that I grew up with. I'm not sure whether
Speaker 4: you were here during the seventies or eighties, but that was. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there was a sense right that kings worked one perfect
Speaker 4: you know. I mean there were there were problems, there
Speaker 4: are always problems, but there was a sense that, you know,
Speaker 4: justice is kind of going to prevail, you know, the economies,
Speaker 4: we're going to get through it. I'm going to be
Speaker 4: better off than my parents were. You know, I can
Speaker 4: generally walk the streets safely. I'm not going to get
Speaker 4: arrested for saying something. Government's not going to stop me
Speaker 4: from saying something. And none of that's true today, none
Speaker 4: of that's none of that's something we can rely on.
Speaker 4: We have to get back to that, and that means
Speaker 4: reorienting our ruling class, because there's always a ruling class,
Speaker 4: and I am hoping that we don't have to completely
Speaker 4: fail before we have a reform move. But right, you know,
Speaker 4: the the old thing about weak men make hard times.
Speaker 4: You know, hard men make good times. Good times make
Speaker 4: weak men. I mean, there is a cycle to history,
Speaker 4: and I just you know, I don't want to run
Speaker 4: out my personal life clock on the downslope of the
Speaker 4: Bell curve. But here we are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're still in California.
Speaker 2: That's a surprise. I do have you just want to
Speaker 2: be the last one to turn out the lake.
Speaker 4: Literally, I literally have one or two conservative friends left here.
Speaker 4: There used to be a vibrant community when Andrew Breitbart
Speaker 4: was here, a lot of people and they're all gone.
Speaker 4: The people in California are not the communists, not the
Speaker 4: welfare cheats, not the losers, not the Chardonnay soaked wine moms.
Speaker 4: It's people like me and I am. I'm going to
Speaker 4: be spending more and more time in Texas. Yes, Arena
Speaker 4: wants us to get a third place in Florida.
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 4: I watch it too. I love Florida. If there wasn't
Speaker 4: family in Texas, I got the only Manbin family that's
Speaker 4: not in Miami. But no, you know, I got here
Speaker 4: in seventy two, and you could feel, even as a
Speaker 4: little kid, I could feel the excitement. It was a
Speaker 4: beautiful place.
Speaker 2: I used to love California. I mean I loved it.
Speaker 4: It was a governor. He there was always a sense
Speaker 4: and I never didn't have this sense that I could
Speaker 4: do whatever I want to do. I went to school
Speaker 4: at uc San Diego, went off to the Army for
Speaker 4: four years. But I came back and I went to
Speaker 4: Los Angeles. Now I grew up near San Francisco, and
Speaker 4: then I went to school in sandiw but I'd never
Speaker 4: been to Los Angeles, and I knew Los Angeles was
Speaker 4: a place you go to do what you want to do.
Speaker 4: And you know care I was able to make it.
Speaker 4: I built a law of firm. I was a stand
Speaker 4: up comic. I became a best selling author. You know,
Speaker 4: I built a family. I did all these things that
Speaker 4: I wanted to do, and it never occurred to me
Speaker 4: I couldn't. But we have a whole generation to young
Speaker 4: people now who only see limitations, They only see constraints,
Speaker 4: and that's not what California is supposed to be. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: Do you feel like you've made it?
Speaker 4: I know, I feel like I have a lot of
Speaker 4: things that I want to do, but I'm not. I
Speaker 4: don't feel like I've missed something. I feel like I've
Speaker 4: always been an optimistic California kind of old time California person.
Speaker 4: I'm looking to the future, going there's all these neat
Speaker 4: things I can do. You know, what are you thinking?
Speaker 3: What do you what are you gonna do tell us.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll write a movie. Maybe I'll start another company.
Speaker 4: I'm certainly gonna write more books. Who knows. Maybe I'll
Speaker 4: get a radio show. I'm a guest host for Hugh
Speaker 4: Hewitt tomorrow. I mean, I's some suburban kid from California, right,
Speaker 4: and I'm going to talk to two million people for
Speaker 4: three hours tomorrow morning.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. Yeah, I'm not special.
Speaker 4: I'm not particularly I'm not an idiot, but I'm not
Speaker 4: a genius. I just I just don't think there are
Speaker 4: any limits out there. And I want other people to
Speaker 4: get that too, Because I'm excited about tomorrow. I always have.
Speaker 4: It's like, what's going to happen next? I mean, what
Speaker 4: cool thing do we do now?
Speaker 3: I've seen you excited about rain, you know.
Speaker 2: I remember that you and Arena were in Florida and
Speaker 2: it was raining outside and you both ran toward it
Speaker 2: like it's so cool. But then you guys got a
Speaker 2: lot of rain in California, like right after that.
Speaker 3: I feel like, but in.
Speaker 4: How we should all be excited about all the new
Speaker 4: things that can happen, all the things you can do.
Speaker 4: I watch people who spend their lives on video games.
Speaker 4: Or you know, on the internet all the time. And
Speaker 4: I'm on the Internet a lot, but I'm enjoying and
Speaker 4: I'm learning new things and doing things. I look at
Speaker 4: Twitter as my Sudoku. It's a you know, can I
Speaker 4: be funny? Can I be clever? Can I be pippy?
Speaker 4: And there's just so many There's so many neat things,
Speaker 4: and I just want to do them now. Sometimes I
Speaker 4: just want to chill. That's okay. I love my routine.
Speaker 4: I have my favorite restaurants and everything. But I think
Speaker 4: I'm essentially excited about life, and I don't like that
Speaker 4: the younger generation doesn't seem to feel that way because
Speaker 4: they've been told they can't and that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: How do you challenge that with your own kids?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, Well, they're teenagers, so they don't talk to me.
Speaker 4: They're finding their way in the world, doing interesting things
Speaker 4: and not the things that I did, not that not
Speaker 4: not necessarily the past that I've taken. But uh, you know,
Speaker 4: there's there's a world out there and they've you know,
Speaker 4: they they've got some of I don't, which is youth.
Speaker 4: They got they got this whole future ahead of me.
Speaker 4: It's very exciting.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What would you be
Speaker 2: doing if you weren't in the media or a lawyer world?
Speaker 3: What would be a plan be?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, there's so many things. I could
Speaker 4: have stayed in the military and tried to do some
Speaker 4: cool stuff there. I mean, I was in the reserves
Speaker 4: for Rocco, stayed active. Uh. I always thought building another
Speaker 4: a different kind of business might be interesting. Who knows.
Speaker 4: Maybe i'd be a park ranger and take people out
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, show them, you know, do the
Speaker 4: little uh midnight star watching things. I always enjoyed those.
Speaker 3: I mean, gosh, I like that answer.
Speaker 2: Park ranger?
Speaker 4: Why not? I mean, that's just yeah. I have always
Speaker 4: promised myself I'm never gonna get in a situation where
Speaker 4: I wake up dreading the day on a regular basis. Yes,
Speaker 4: I mean as a lawyer. Sometimes I'm like ah in
Speaker 4: a deposition. Most of the time I get up, I'm
Speaker 4: like Okay, cool another day, yay. And I think people
Speaker 4: ought to try strive for that. It's possible, but that
Speaker 4: people get being told they can't, and I don't like that.
Speaker 2: So end here with your best tip for my listeners
Speaker 2: on how they can improve their lives and be happy,
Speaker 2: Like you.
Speaker 4: Just go do it. You know a lot of people
Speaker 4: are like, how do you find time to write? I
Speaker 4: just sit down and do it. If you get learn
Speaker 4: to manage your time, time is amazing. As a commander,
Speaker 4: I could give you more ammunition, more people, more tanks,
Speaker 4: more whatever. I had all that, but I never had
Speaker 4: more time. Manage your time wisely, you know, like today
Speaker 4: I had about, you know, an hour between what I
Speaker 4: was doing and then and then this knocked out a call,
Speaker 4: got that much off my trip an hour?
Speaker 2: Damn yeah, get it really bad about myself?
Speaker 4: Well, you know I've already written for forty years. I mean,
Speaker 4: I hope I could go quick. It's just, you know,
Speaker 4: get things done early so that you maximize your freedom.
Speaker 4: I try and teach that to my lawyers. You know,
Speaker 4: you don't have to throw it over the trance on
Speaker 4: the eleven fifty nine. You know, you can do it
Speaker 4: two weeks ahead of time, and then you might done.
Speaker 2: My next life, I want to be one of those
Speaker 2: people who does it ahead of time and not at
Speaker 2: eleven fifty nine and.
Speaker 4: Then oh always, I always do it in advance. Then
Speaker 4: you maximize your freedom.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much Kurt Schlichter by his new book,
Speaker 2: The Attack. It is terrifying, It is fantastic.
Speaker 3: I must read. Thanks so much for coming.
Speaker 1: On, Kirk, Thanks for having me, Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. Subscribe wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts.