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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Over the weekend, my husband and I celebrated our fifteen

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Speaker 1: year anniversary five years ago. On our ten year anniversary,

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Speaker 1: I tweeted a thread about where my life was before

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Speaker 1: I got together with my husband and how fast it

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Speaker 1: turned around. I'll read it to you so on my

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Speaker 1: tenure wedding anniversary today. I want to do this thread

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Speaker 1: in case it helps anyone going through a bad time.

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Speaker 1: I'm forty one. I got married at thirty one on

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Speaker 1: my thirtieth birthday. My life was a total disaster. I

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Speaker 1: was at the tail end of a seven year relationship

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Speaker 1: with a really great person for whom I was ill suited.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't working, and I had no idea in what

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Speaker 1: direction to take my career. I was in debt for

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Speaker 1: the first time in my life because I made the

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Speaker 1: mistake of going to grad school yet continued to live

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Speaker 1: like I had the same high paying job I had before.

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Speaker 1: I was a pharmaceutical legal straight out of college, which

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Speaker 1: paid well, but I quit that to follow my passion

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Speaker 1: into politics. I was in a dark place. I'm an

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Speaker 1: optimistic person, but I had a hard time seeing my

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Speaker 1: life improving. I wasn't suicidal. I don't want to minimize

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Speaker 1: people in real darkness, but I was completely adrift. I

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Speaker 1: was drinking a lot daily, and my friend Tom Elliott

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Speaker 1: kept asking why I'd always drag him to bars with

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Speaker 1: homeless people asleep in the corner. I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be around functioning, normal thirty year olds because I was

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Speaker 1: so off the path, and also those bars never really close,

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Speaker 1: so four am would come and go and I'd still

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Speaker 1: be out. I'd sleep till five pm regularly. My husband

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Speaker 1: was actually my best friend. That's not just something we say.

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Speaker 1: He was the main voice, along with my brother, who

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Speaker 1: would reason with me to get my shit together. But

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Speaker 1: it's so much easier not to seriously when you ain't

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Speaker 1: got nothing, you ain't got nothing to lose, which is

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Speaker 1: just so true. I don't have a secret sauce for

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Speaker 1: how things got better, But the summer of my thirtieth year,

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Speaker 1: I slowly started to pull myself together. I got a

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Speaker 1: consulting job, I spent more time with my now husband,

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Speaker 1: I went outside during the day. That's a big one.

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Speaker 1: It turns out I took better care of myself. After

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Speaker 1: some false starts, my husband and I got together for

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Speaker 1: real that Thanksgiving. We were engaged in September and married

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Speaker 1: the next April. Sometime I'll do a thread about what

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Speaker 1: went right in my career after we got married. I

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Speaker 1: had to fix myself before I could be with him seriously,

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Speaker 1: and then just being with the right person went such

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Speaker 1: a long way toward making everything else fall into place.

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Speaker 1: He knew all my faults and they were okay. My

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Speaker 1: big point is that everything seemed hopeless, really hopeless, and

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Speaker 1: then a year later I was at the start of

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Speaker 1: the best decade of my life. It can turn around

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Speaker 1: so quickly. Don't give up on yourself, don't wallow. Acknowledge

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Speaker 1: you're in a bad place, and work to get yourself

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Speaker 1: to a better one. I believe in you. So five

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Speaker 1: years later, I think about that thread and I reposted

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Speaker 1: for people who might be going through a hard time,

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Speaker 1: and look that thread. It's honest, But really it was

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Speaker 1: far worse than it sounds. I broke up with a

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Speaker 1: good guy because he wasn't the one for me, and

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Speaker 1: that's way harder than breaking up with a jerk who

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Speaker 1: treats you badly. Career wise, I was feeling that I

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Speaker 1: had made a huge mistake going into politics. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: a writer yet, not really. I had a blog and

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Speaker 1: I made a tiny bit of money from it, but

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Speaker 1: I had no idea that I could even be doing

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Speaker 1: what I'm doing now, and I retreated further and further

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Speaker 1: from my normal and successful friends. My husband was my

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Speaker 1: best friend, and when I say that, I mean that

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Speaker 1: whenever I met a nice girl, I would try to

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Speaker 1: set him up with her. He was worried about me,

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Speaker 1: and it showed in so many ways. But my point

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Speaker 1: here is not that life can be bad or hard,

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Speaker 1: and it's only partially the amazing things that can happen

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Speaker 1: to you if you're in the right relationship. It's that

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Speaker 1: it all can turn around very quickly. If you're in

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Speaker 1: a bad place, don't give up. Make incremental changes, small steps,

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Speaker 1: a light at the end of the darkness, even if

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Speaker 1: it's not obvious to you. Right now, my light was

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Speaker 1: brighter than I could have ever imagined. Coming up next,

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Speaker 1: an interview with Kurt Slifter. Join us after the break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is Kurt Slichter. Senior columnist at Townhall dot com,

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Speaker 2: retired Army colonel, lawyer.

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Speaker 3: And author of The Attack. Hi, Kurt, it's.

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Speaker 4: Nice to have you on here.

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Speaker 3: So the attack.

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Speaker 2: Scared the living Bejesus out of me, so we could

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Speaker 2: start there.

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Speaker 3: Why did you.

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Speaker 2: Do that to me? And tell me about this? The

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Speaker 2: book came out in January. First of all, it came

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Speaker 2: out in January?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I saw the attack on ten to seven. I

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Speaker 4: immediately recognized the vulnerability here. I started talking with folks

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Speaker 4: at Regnory, and on October tenth, I started writing it.

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Speaker 4: On November twenty nine, fish it Wow. Unfortunately Regnory went

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Speaker 4: away as an imprint, But I did what I did

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Speaker 4: with my Kelly Turnbol People's Republic novels. I got it

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Speaker 4: out very quickly on using Amazon as my distribution platform,

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Speaker 4: and by January seventh it was out and it has

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Speaker 4: been selling like hotcakes and scaring the hell out of

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Speaker 4: people ever since, which is exactly what it was intended.

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Speaker 2: So can you tell us a little bit about the book?

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Speaker 2: What was your you know, what was a thinking behind it?

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Speaker 2: And you obviously have experience in this world. In fact,

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Speaker 2: you often write about kind of military topics and also

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Speaker 2: very scary stuff.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into that, but tell us about the book.

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Speaker 4: Well, the book is a novel I could have done

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Speaker 4: as nonfiction, but I don't think that would have punched

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Speaker 4: people in the gut the way they need to. Essentially,

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Speaker 4: imagine a ten to seven attack here in the United

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Speaker 4: States with except exponentially larger because we have a wide

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Speaker 4: open border and a you know, an intelligence and law

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Speaker 4: enforcement community that's more focused on arresting people for walking

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Speaker 4: through the rotunda, taking selfies or praying at abortion clinics

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Speaker 4: than protecting us from mass murderers. And we've seen you

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Speaker 4: know you. Every time there's one of these psychos with

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Speaker 4: a rifle, you know he's been on the FBI's radar.

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Speaker 4: It's shocking. I took a look at events like the

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Speaker 4: with minimal training, simple weaponry, and simple instructions going on

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Speaker 4: a rampage. And this talks about the rampage from the

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Speaker 4: points of view of many different individuals. The way I

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Speaker 4: did that, I couldn't have like one character Forrest gumping

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Speaker 4: where a bunch of psychos are killing people. So it's

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Speaker 4: about forty little vignettes of people telling what happened. If

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Speaker 4: you remember World War Z or World War three for

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Speaker 4: that matter, the old John Hackett book from the eighties

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Speaker 4: that really scared the hell out of people about the

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Speaker 4: Warsaw Pact. I use that style. I think it was

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Speaker 4: pretty effective. It has been scaring the hell out of people,

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Speaker 4: and that's what it's supposed to be doing, because we're

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Speaker 4: in a lot of danger. We are at risk because

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Speaker 4: we default to a peaceful and secure society, but we're

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Speaker 4: unwilling to do the things that were fire. They're required

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Speaker 4: to maintain a peaceful and secure society, and much of

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Speaker 4: what we do is frivolous and stupid. Much of what

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Speaker 4: we do is self defeating, you know. I think if

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Speaker 4: you look at our vulnerabilities, particularly the kind of people

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Speaker 4: who watch an MSNBC are particularly vulnerable because very few

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Speaker 4: are vulnerable, and as individuals we need to be able

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Speaker 4: to fight back, but we also need to be fight

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Speaker 4: back as a country, and this talks about all of

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Speaker 4: that from the perspectives of men and women, law enforcement,

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Speaker 4: regular civilians, government officials, bad guys as well, including homegrown

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Speaker 4: anti fought type terrorists who I think is to be

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Speaker 4: a willing part of this sort of thing. So it's suck.

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Speaker 4: It's a scary book, okay, And it's selling very well,

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Speaker 4: which I appreciate. I hope people listen.

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Speaker 3: I hope they do too.

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Speaker 2: I have to say that the thing that helps me

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Speaker 2: kind of sleep at night when I think about this

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff is that it hasn't happened yet. And

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Speaker 2: what do you say to that, the fact that we

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Speaker 2: haven't had any kind of attack like that yet, and

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Speaker 2: our border has been wide open for a while, and

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Speaker 2: we do have people across the world that hate.

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Speaker 3: Us, Why do you think it hasn't happened, You.

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Speaker 4: Know, Carol, I'm often stunned about how our enemies missopportunities.

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Speaker 4: We like to think there are enemies. Are these ern

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Speaker 4: stavros Blofeld, the volcano layer guys stroking the task, these

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Speaker 4: geniuses who can put all the pieces together. It's important

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Speaker 4: not to underestimate them. It's also important to be realistic.

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Speaker 4: A lot of them are kind of stupid. In fact,

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Speaker 4: as the book points out, a lot of the foot

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Speaker 4: soldiers in these things are stupid people, dumb people, people

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Speaker 4: in no future, who get sucked into these things and

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Speaker 4: do horrible, horrible things at the behest of much smarter people.

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Speaker 4: I see them missing a lot of opportunities I have

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Speaker 4: always looked at, for instance, on a different level, President

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Speaker 4: g not moving to take Taiwan. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: it would be an audacious move. I'm not sure we

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's the goodness of their heart. I

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Speaker 4: just don't think they're as unbelievably talented as we sometimes

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Speaker 4: make our enemies out to be.

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Speaker 2: You write and tweet a lot about our military largely

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Speaker 2: falling apart. You do you feel like that that is fixable.

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Speaker 4: I have a town hall column that'll run on March

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Speaker 4: seventh about that very subject, with a lot of focus

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Speaker 4: on the frivolous trans idiocy. I mean, when you have

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Speaker 4: to be a woman addressing other officers, that's not a

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Speaker 4: serious military and I might give a little more leeway

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Speaker 4: to these kind of social fads. If we had unequivocally

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Speaker 4: won a major war in the last thirty years, which

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Speaker 4: we have not done. I was there the last time

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Speaker 4: we did. I was there at Desert Storm. I was

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Speaker 4: in the seventh Core main command post, and we achieved

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Speaker 4: a victory on par with Hannibal or Julius Caesar. We

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Speaker 4: destroyed what thirty six divisions and one hundred hours. It's unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: just unbelievable. And since people know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Going to drop that line by the way to my

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Speaker 2: going to be like, you know, it was a victory

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Speaker 2: on par with Hannibal and Julius Cesar.

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Speaker 4: It absolutely was. And if you're right, we could do

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Speaker 4: a deep dive in a Hannibal at CANi, but we

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Speaker 4: don't need to do that. The simple fact is we

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Speaker 4: had the most You know, there are legendary military forces

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Speaker 4: throughout history, and the American military of nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 4: serious list, you know, with the Mongols, with Hannibal's army

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Speaker 4: it was a pinnacle, and as for so many as

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Speaker 4: with so many things, we took it for granted. My

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Speaker 4: theory is, you know, we're being run by the third generation,

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Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What would you be

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Speaker 4: Just go do it. You know a lot of people

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Speaker 4: I try and teach that to my lawyers. You know,

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Speaker 4: the eleven fifty nine. You know, you can do it

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Speaker 2: My next life, I want to be one of those

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Speaker 4: Then oh always, I always do it in advance. Then

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Speaker 2: The Attack. It is terrifying, It is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: I must read. Thanks so much for coming.

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